Leaving Neverland Doc and Michael Jackson | The Fighter and The Kid

Brendan and Bryan talk about the Leaving Neverland doc and Michael Jackson.
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[@littleblizzard7591]

No sleepovers. At all. My neighbor worked in a law firm that dealt mainly with family law and abuse cases. 9 times out of 10 the first time the child was abused was at a sleepover. The abusers were friends, family, and neighbors.

[@tentailz]

Little Blizzard stupid fuck do your homework his sleep overs are different than your sleepovers his room alone is bigger than your house and his bed bigger then your room

[@budguy6195]

No way your neighbor worked in a law firm?! Wow!! You must be a plethora of knowledge!! They should of reached out to an expert such as yourself.

[@Chris-sg9yb]

@@budguy6195 unnecessary your a dick head.

[@SadLoserCanjuju]

@@tentailz What the hell does the size of his house have to do with anything. Micheal slept with these boys in the same bad many many time. Watch the documentary and watch Oprahs interview and then see if you still think that.

[@judgedeathplays837]

@ALL RIGHTS RESURVED Yes, it does.

[@leapoldstotch4987]

Brendan is 1 pair of shoes away from wearing ugg boots .

[@zakman9209]

He only wear ugg boots at home

[@xricoxswahveax1930]

Big facts lol

[@ThePubbub]

Fighter and the Kid uggs would be EPIC

[@livibam]

Bad news, innit.

[@kjeezy2990]

Mens uggs are comfortable and aren’t boots lol

[@lindasue1872]

When Michael Jackson was asked what he enjoyed most about his trip to Hawaii, he said: Spending time with you AND your family, and Michael went on to say, I can't wait to see THEM again. The director of the documentary, edited Michael's full response to the question. 🤔🤔

[@hazelwalsh3269]

Sheena Lewis So?? He groomed the whole family!! What’s your point??

[@lindasue1872]

@@hazelwalsh3269 Right, therefore, Dan Reed, the director decides to make a convenient cut right before Michael mentioned hanging out with the entire family. Oh, how convenient. Whatever the reason, and there is a reason for the edit ... which may have had something to do with Safechuck claiming Michael tried to separate James from his family. Michael was a master groomer, right? Lol

[@adechapman.1132]

The bald director cut it like cutting mistruths. The same goes for the accusation of being assaulted in the train station that had not even been built the time of the accusation. Scammers.

[@apeyb5606]

Another interview that was deceptively edited was the Michael & Gavin interview by Martin Bashir at Neverland, where they talk about him sleeping in MJ's room. The clip that's been going around was edited and starts in the middle of Gavin's sentence, leaving out the part where he says how he asked Michael if he could sleep with him- while the clip insinuates Michael manipulating him into sleeping with him. I will never understand why people want to crucify him so badly, to the point of such blatant lies.

[@globalcitizenn]

Hazel Walsh So why did the Director edit it? That was shady and manipulative.

[@danielolson5323]

For somebody to accuse Michael Jackson of that stuff after they tried to sue for 1.3 billion and lost, and then not say they're doing anything for money it's just crazy

[@wellinformed4822]

Danial Olson "The only thing that the law provides in this country is money damages. So why would anyone be outraged that Jackson victims would be entitled to the same thing that anybody else would be entitle to?"

[@danielolson5323]

@@wellinformed4822 Have you stopped to think that Michael Jackson is the victim.

[@wellinformed4822]

@@danielolson5323 common sense dictates my world. He liked to play the victim. Yet when you look at how ruthless he was in his business world. How callus he was when he hired someone like Anthony Pellicano to take lead on a case that was brought against him. No I read way to much about him to know this man was nobody victim but his own.

[@wellinformed4822]

@Hannah LOL you are connecting dots that are not even close. I could go on and on about real points that do match. Yet celebrity worship is real and makes fans very blind. If we replace MJ name with Joe next door everyone would agree. This man grew up grabbing and having anything he desired this is the circumstance that came from that behavior.

[@christerry1773]

Well Informed the fans are blind huh. What’s your explanation about the train station discrepancy then?

[@alexcarlone7967]

As a 20 year old, something that traumatic would still be with you

[@sarahelisabeth3849]

And Wade Robson was 11 when he testified.

[@sansy44100]

@@sarahelisabeth3849 No he was 23.

[@sarahelisabeth3849]

In the second trial. In the first trial he was 11. If he changed his testimony in the second trial he'd be at risk of perjury, which I'm sure he was reminded of.

[@andygregory1579]

If MJ had abused Wade why on earth would you have him anywhere near your defence! That’s a massive gamble especially in the second trial when he’s older and knows right from wrong.

[@robertsosa7792]

7 year statue . That is why once 7 years passed he alleged abuse. So he couldn't be charged with pugury.

[@alextaylor6793]

whats up with people giving opinions on stuff they havent seen or read, these days !

[@danielmcbolnd4828]

Implying this is a new phenomenon...

[@robbieh1899]

Welcome to the 21st Century dude! What a time to be alive...Glad I got 1 foot on a banana peel and another on a grave... I'm done....

[@s.w.a.l.k2184]

alex Taylor: you made a judgement based on a documentary that shows only two alleged victims and their side of the story. You did not see the actual evidence that would have been presented in a criminal case. Other children who stayed with Michael and testified on his behalf were Corey Feldman and McCauley Culkin. Corey Feldman has been the most outspoken advocate for shaming and naming pedofiles in Hollywood. yet he said Michael did not molest him. He also just recently stated that he would not go as far as saying the two men are lying but he said he never saw any of what they are saying. He therefore will not say they are lying and allow them to have a voice but he repeats again that he was not molested. So if you choose to believe what you watched in a documentary then that's your buzz but don't try to stop people like Brian asking uncomfortable questions. We all want to protect the innocence of a child but only if that child was actually a victim in the first place. We need people like Brian to ask questions when no one else is brave enough to ask them.

[@slappy5204]

lol and you saw a documentary so u must be the expert

[@TIENxSHINHAN]

Alex Taylor I've watched the movie and researched the topic, I'll give my opinion. When MJ died, I was 50/50 on him doing it. I watched the movie, I knew 100% he did it. I did some research and I now believe he didn't touch anybody.

[@mattdecker8724]

I’m confused as to how you can simultaneously argue that a 20 year old should be adult enough to publicly talk about being abused but also argue MJ was too child like as a 40 year old man to be judged as a normal adult.

[@prettydalila]

My Name best award comment lol

[@Veromoi4]

My Name exactly

[@matttriano]

RRRRRetardation

[@soosterling]

But they didn't say he was "normal" actually...in fact, everyone agrees he was quite peculiar...but being weird doesn't make you a CRIMINAL.Period. Michael needed mental help for sure because NONE of his behavior was normal but still doesn't give us the right to crucify him for being WEIRD.

[@miscellaneousSLUDGE]

I love you thank you for speaking sense ,

[@joeshamp974]

The quote from the plane was edited for the doc. MJ said he loves being with Billy and his family

[@cr0uchingtiger]

very true. The HBO 'documentary' and the guys' stories were full of holes if you pick through them.

[@cellblocknine5385]

There is no such thing as Billy.

[@ChokeslamToHell]

@@cellblocknine5385 James. Point still stands. It implicates both James and Dan Reed, the director. Reed did the same with the out of context quote from Mark Geragos.

[@davidcarter9120]

Safechuck was 15/16 when he testified out of court in 93 - he didn't testify on 2005.

[@israymervalentin-arias6313]

He didnt say anything until he met up with Wade Robson. FOH Wade Robson defended him in 2005, defended him in 2009 when he died, defended him 5 years after he died and now on the 10 year anniversary of his death he says he was molested? Michael Jackson was weird and brought this all on himself, but you would think a guy who did this would slip up and have some evidence by 1 person instead of saying "oh he molested me" and give no evidence. Any kid who actually did meet Michael and have proof he was in neverland can say oh in private we kissed and had sex but since it was in private theres no pictures or videos, just videos of us doing kid shit and being happy.

[@JerseyJersey100]

Israymer Valentin-Arias you’re a moron and the reason there were multiple victims. News flash:if u can convince an 8yo that you two are in love as you sleep in his bed and lick his butthole it only makes sense he could convince him to lie for him. You’re too dumb for words or need to get an oz of awareness bud. How bout you name one grown man in his 30s who sleeps with kids under 10 that he isn’t related to. Man your thinking is why he got away with it lol

[@judgedeathplays837]

@iostboy He was brainwashed. It wasnt abuse to him. He was genuinly in love with Michael and was in a relationship with him. He was able to lie for him because he didnt view it as abuse because he matured and grew up during an abusive relationship. His whole perception of abuse was different to yours. Obviously picturing what he did with Michael happening with his own 7yr old was bound to make him realise the truth behind what was going on. Thats why. Dumbass.

[@israymervalentin-arias6313]

C Jersey you are the moron. Wheres the evidence dumb fuck. Anyone can claim anything these days. He was a fucking adult who testified as a 20 something year old man that Michael jackson never did anything to him. So either hes a liar or hes a fucking piece of shit for letting a pedophile get away with his crime and allowing other children to get molested.

[@judgedeathplays837]

@iostboy Also he isnt a wannabe. He is ten times more successful than you. He didnt become such a talented dancer through osmosis.

[@floppydoppy7997]

This podcast loses a lot of credibility when Bryan talks for 18 minutes about a documentary he hasn't even seen. Come on guys

[@s.w.a.l.k2184]

william jonas, unlike you, he is looking at facts and why two men who swore on the bible and in court that Michael Jackson did not molest them have decided to come out and claim he did molest them, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. He also points out that Wade Robson was in financial trouble a the time he made the allegations. The other guy also makes a good point when he says that Wade Robson and the other accuser have had plenty of time to get their stories right. Child abuse documentaries with victims are all over the internet. Movies have been made of real life child abuse victims. Lectures, documentaries, experts who have studied child abuse are also on KZbin. There is a plethora of information on the internet that is available for ordinary citizens including those who have the intention of making false allegations, to look at.

[@dinolupi9807]

William Jonas it’s a one sided HBO special

[@KennyBucketz]

William Jonas you do realize that you don’t need to see the documentary to talk about Wade Robson and James Safechuck, right? You do realize they defended Michael Jackson and accused him outside of the documentary and before the documentary right? These are facts that can be discussed without watching a “documentary.” Also, Wade’s reasons for why he defended Michale under oath has changed. People have been making videos about how money is his motivation since around 2013, waaaay before the documentary.

[@Aboutreika91]

Dunno how much "credibility" they ever had on these types of issues tbh.

[@Winterfellen]

Watch it....

[@rasheed9705]

Someone can't be abused in a building 2 years before it being built. If you were familiar with the claims in detail, you'd know they're untrue.

[@Keatron3]

Respect to Bryan for not rushing to judgment on MJ with the documentary hype, for following the money trail, and critically thinking about Robson’s statements.

[@omelashomelas]

Christ, Schaub... This is the second podcast I've seen you on talking about this with someone who hasn't seen the documentary. Explain it to them ffs, YOU'VE SEEN IT.......

[@ashersambitions9166]

third podcast. jre, below the belt and this one

[@julianofsatown]

IKR?! I dont think he watched part 2 either..

[@Thatdudewiththedogs]

@@michaelll could it not be possible that the two accusers corroborated stories and then agreed to make millions on a documentary? Just playing devil's advocate

[@jjfw96]

@@michaelll Wade went to the other guy so it's pretty obvious they corroborated come on bro..

[@Minsetti]

​@Matt Polzkill Do you realize that the potential PR value is worth of hundreds of millions for these guys? Especially now when they are suing the MJ estate. And then there's the potential of all the possible book and movie deals..

[@K9CeLL]

11:35 "When that Billie Jean kicks in" I cant help but mooove.. while doing the Thriller dance haha..

[@shawti3eee]

first of all only 1 defended MJ in their 20s. jimmy safechuck did not testify in 2005 trial

[@ArtCraftLand]

yeah, but he sure LIED when he said that Michael begged him to testify by the end of the trial... First of all, witnesses are proposed to the judge at the beginning of the trial and THE JUDGE is the one deciding who will make an appearance. safechuck was not even on that list because the prosecution didn't think safechuck was molested. Investigator Scott Ross, the one who was in charge of calling witnesses, is now giving interviews debunking this LIE that safechuck is telling so nonchalantly...

[@seanmoses5225]

Soul Rebel Explain why Michael would call back one of the boys to speak in his trial, THE ONE WHO HE “supposedly ABUSED.” Wouldn’t Michael stray away from having one of his “supposed victims” help him?

[@shawti3eee]

@@ArtCraftLand im just stating a fact that brendan or bryan stated wrong

[@shawti3eee]

@@seanmoses5225 im not trying to have a "did MJ do it" debate. im just stating a fact from the documentary that brendan or bryan said wrong. one of them said safechuck testified in the 2005 trial which he did not......

[@AT-cy7im]

These clowns in the podcast didn’t do any research and can’t do any math to save their lives.

[@hamdoulaa]

he said "my favorite thing is being with you *and your family*", they cut that out of the documentary.

[@rickrude8915]

Yes..i was waiting for someone to say that

[@hamdoulaa]

@@ericslupe4515 no but it means that the director manipulated things to make him look more evil and sick, so that the non-informed audience finds it easier to believe their stories.

[@adechapman.1132]

That bald bastard cut it..

[@davidornelas3326]

Kyp Durron that doesn’t make it any less weird. Fact of the matter is Michael spent several nights with little boys and there’s nothing normal about that, even his defenders can see that.

[@steveatarioo9509]

He is a child molester, get it thru your thick fucking heads

[@nicolaswalsh5651]

For someone who watched the movie Brendan doesn’t remember much lol

[@Aboutreika91]

Nicolas Walsh lol either that or he feels like he has to sssssuck off callen

[@ashleyc506]

One of the guys didn’t testify in the 2003 trial.

[@Sheypan]

Cuz of the judge

[@marieantoinettescake9513]

* 2005 trial??

[@michaelscovell193]

@Felipe M He was 12 ffs, what did u expect him to say?

[@idigmusictoo1746]

@@michaelscovell193 the truth.

[@chrisfortune6616]

2005.

[@nemobriceno2023]

crazy how 2 guys in a pod cast can break down a case and see it differently then main media. good job dueds.

[@7CrowMagnum7]

Michael Jackson Rebuttal (Part 3): Skeeving Slumberland by Rageaholic Watch that then let's hear your opinion.

[@tracymcginty2242]

Razorfist EPIC

[@cornboy7587]

RazorFist is a *legend*

[@tracymcginty2242]

@@cornboy7587 he's amazing highly humerous Xx

[@kaoutar-el-allam]

Razorfist is the BEST! They're just sitting there on red chairs and blablabla instead of doing some research and then come and talk. The inconsistencies of the liars are all over youtube! I couldn't go through this video!

[@mickydee6337]

Bro it doesn’t matter that there adults. They went through sexual trauma, but a lot of times they don’t know how to interpret it when it’s in his type of situation and to come at them so aggressively without even seeing the documentary isn’t in good taste.

[@MUN00K]

Barnesy 213 well let me ask you this. What’s more believable? That Michael Jackson slept in the bed w/ 9 year olds because he was a pedophile or had a rough childhood & was eccentric? That these two lied in court because they were fucked up in the head because Michael Jackson licked their buttholes & made them watch porn as pre-teens or they were defending his innocence & want money now?

[@Nick-mu1wp]

@Barnesy 213 one of them didn't testify when he was an adult, only when he was a CHILD. Michael also spent MILLIONS of dollars on the kids and their families over the years. Also "fucked you in your asshole every night for years and years" is not what happened according to Robson or Safechuck.

[@themurphy1245]

MUN00K ! Yeah without a doubt they are telling the truth! There is no doubt M.J. abused them! If someone claim something then is true even if there is no evidence whatsoever that it did happen! Victim until proved not a victim! Lmao you would be funny if you weren’t so pathetic.

[@lolarosa2295]

It's funny to see people have very strong opinions WHO HAVE NOT WATCHED THE FILM! Watch the film and then make some kind of conclusion, but to just assume that they are lying because they were adults? These people have no clue how deep trauma goes and how long it fucks with a persons mind. People claiming that these guys are lying have never been through trauma so deep.

[@bishopcruz]

Nothing in the film is new.just the same unverified shit

[@lolarosa2295]

bishopcruz are you sure about that????

[@bishopcruz]

@@lolarosa2295 Yes. Robson and Safechuck basically repeat their allegations from their 1.5 billion dollar lawsuit in the movie, with a bit of added spice taken almost directly from the widley debunked book "The Secret Diary of Jordie Chandler" there is no new evidence at all. The only thing the movie adds is a bunch of drone shots and sad music.

[@charlesa8501]

Fake one sided news...

[@c.l.1820]

I watched it and still believe MJ innocent. Go do your research.

[@GullySyde28]

If you made it through the this video you did better than me

[@ramon4348]

Lolol

[@AT-cy7im]

Nop 4 min in I gotta shut it down.

[@jessehinkel2855]

Brian’s wring about a lot here but I’ll just adress one thing so it doesn’t get too long winded. The average age of a person molested to come out and tell ppl is 48

[@hazelwalsh3269]

Jesse Hinkel Took Oprah years!!

[@michaelw4861]

I was 17

[@davidpfeifer9489]

Jesse Hinkel damn 48.... is that true?

[@Hdkd62736hd]

Hey where did you get that number from? I’m just interested, not arguing against

[@OfficialJayPriceman]

...so whats the average age of individuals,on trial, testifying against the allegations?

[@eddieneyman4035]

Schaub is cool on Rogans show but when these two get together, nothing is accomplished.

[@ngojems]

Edward Neyman huh? Lol he never cool

[@drdread9896]

He dumb af on Rogan show too

[@ramon4348]

Lololol funny

[@caliwest8597]

Are u saying the podcast is wack?

[@faisalalmuharraqi2168]

@@caliwest8597 Yes.

[@RoonyToony]

But they also cut off MJ saying “the best part of Hawaii was spending time with you and your family”.

[@RoonyToony]

I am aware of that?. In the documentary it shows Michael saying “the best part of Hawaii was being with jimmy” and the cut it off there. But he actually says “the best part of Hawaii was being with jimmy and his family”. He wasn’t on the flight alone with 1 or 2 kids. It’s manipulative.

[@RoonyToony]

Garrett Rincon - No mental gymnastics here pal, just facts.

[@maxmeier532]

@@RoonyToony where did you hear the full audio. put a link up or it didnt happen.

[@looloo960]

Stop lying

[@RoonyToony]

Rah van Taaie - I agree, the documentary should stop lying.

[@samk1379]

Go and update your research after the train station story, the call of MJ to be testified and the crazy copy sentences from the book. If everyone of us makes his/her own research about MJ, we’ll find that he isn’t only innocent, he’s a LEGEND.

[@bubbasmoleyay9799]

"I'm 36 and I don't know what im doing" yes Brendan you are honest

[@Summer-tk8yk]

Juicy Smole Yay lol very honest.

[@willevans9245]

Child abuse often hits people later life and not at the time, both of the guys in the doc had the realization after both having kids themselves. The guy on the left needs to research what his talking about

[@Weezing336]

Will Evans it's tough to understand unless you've been through some sort of abuse yourself.

[@ridjdpoi7223]

Will Evans thank you. More people need to understand this.

[@veksone77]

If they were molested at 7 and 10 and testified in their 20s it was later in life...

[@Makkino]

If that's the case they still lied in court WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR 20s, enabling him to molest more children. Should they go to jail for that?

[@jaceh4942]

It was also just a really complex situation. Those kids were legitimately in love with Michael. They didn't think of it as abuse. That is why the defended him for so long. They knew the sexual stuff was true, but they didn't think it was a bad thing until they had kids of their own. After they had their own kids they realized how fucked up their own childhoods were and admitted it. It makes perfect sense when you listen to them explain.

[@rjs8392]

Bryan, all the points you bring up are addressed in the doc. You have to think more critically and understand how abuse works. They were in love with him.

[@sammylong3704]

No, they were only in love with his money, his gifts and his influence. They defended him fiercely when he was alive and when he died and n longer could help them, they threw him under the bus for even more money. Those two leeches have zero credibility.

[@rjs8392]

Disagree mate, MJ was a manipulator, a predator and a complete creep. The parents are to blame just as much, but it's so obvious that the guys are telling the truth. If you research into the deep effects of sexual abuse at a young age then you'll see what they're saying is the truth.

[@MrSalubrioused]

@Kabir Orakzai where was it disproven?

[@MrSalubrioused]

@@rjs8392 spot on man, mj fucked those guys up big time. he really did a number on them with all the brain washing etc.

[@KidGreeD14]

@@MrSalubrioused I got a few videos I can share. Something I find interesting about Wade besides the fact that lied under oath is that he dated Michael's niece. He dated her for years and then cheated on her with Britney Spears. Also safechuck ring was also brought up by someone else years ago. He also not asked to testify in 2005 because judge didn't think he was necessary. Michael Jackson: A Case for Innocence m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/op2vgnifabOArqs MJ Rebuttal PT 1 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKHRoISnod6ah9U MJ Rebuttal PT 2 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6q3hXitd7GZi7M MJ Rebuttal PT 3 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIrbYamCm9WFj7s

[@heights3091]

Everyone saying watch it and you will understand... I watched it, and still very skeptic. Don’t trust anyone!

[@deanh99]

That video on the plane you're referencing wasn't the full clip, after he says spending time with you the rest of the clip said "and your parents, and I'm glad I got to spend time with the safechucks." That might not be the exact wording but that's basically it.

[@hazelwalsh3269]

Dean Holzapfel So???? He groomed the whole family! We already know that!!! What’s your point??

[@deanh99]

Hazel Walsh I'm not saying he did or didn't do it but there is legitimately zero proof behind any of this stuff, just 2 person's words.

[@ryanfenstermacher5685]

I dont think Bryan really understands how grooming works

[@marieantoinettescake9513]

I don't think he understands how his coffee maker works either.

[@c.l.1820]

I don't think you really know how to do research. The two kids that came out and sued him later said their parents made them lie for money. Look into their parents, they have sued other people before MJ.

[@skitzoradiomma6483]

What difference does it make how old they were Bryan, they were in love with Michael and protecting him and not only that there has to be a level of embarrassment especially in your 20s when you're trying to move on with your life.. disgusts me how Bryan hasn't seen it and still questioning their integrity.. I'm not saying 100% he did it, but for Bryan to say fuck you because they're older now. The man was being accused for 20 fkn years by multiple kids.. never had a childhood yet had a mandingy in his pants.. gimme a break.

[@jessiemorrison1984]

Are you very familiar with the grooming process?

[@ryanfenstermacher5685]

Yeah I'm a KZbin expert what do you need to know

[@karljonson3287]

For someone who won't make a decision before he sees it himself, Bryan is very prone to jumping to conclusions. And he was very irritated.

[@goose33]

He always gets irritated when it comes to pedophilia. Look into his father it's very telling..

[@ruansnyman7177]

True, He is the same when it comes to any type of conspiracy theories as well I've noticed.

[@karljonson3287]

@@ruansnyman7177 true

[@tommymc7535]

right, I’m 22 right now. Couldn’t even imagine having to go infront of a jury and talk about graphic details of a rape that happened by a superstar when I was a child. It would be a very humiliating thing to go through

[@HanSoloxcs]

Sounds like a woman.

[@FioNensa26]

Micheal Jackson should have taken a polygraph test

[@HarimGz]

If you haven't watched the documentary you can't defend Michael. It all lines up against him in the documentary. There are way too many details there.

[@juulio2014]

Why ? It’s a biased “documentary” that airs on frickin hbo lmfao and that’s what you base your opinion off of? Two self admitted liars? The guys trying to get 1.5 billion from the mans estate? Not the two actual legal cases where he was acquitted of all charges? Not the FBI, who conducted a 10 year investigation into the allegations, the same FBI who in said investigation found absolutely zero evidence to corroborate the claims? Not the multitude of people who’ve come out saying they were offered money to slander Michael Jackson? Am I missing something??

[@jyates1007]

Yeah your watching someone who gains from accusations!!!

[@richardkovacs2006]

Why not checking the accusers background? Their litivations and testimonies in the last 5 years? Why do you recommend to watch a one-sided movie of which even the director says is not strong when it comes to facts? Graphic details serve one thing: to make you think they wouldn 't make it up if it wasn't true. I reality it takes only a dirty mind to come up with graphic details. The 2 men borrowed a lot from a banned book.

[@cornboy7587]

It's been proven that both Robson and Safechuck took a ton of excerpts from a book called "Michael Jackosn Was My Lover, The Secret Diary of Jordie Chandler" written by this creep named Victor Gutierrez. He claimed to have had a video of Michael abusing a child and so becuase of this Michael took him to court. When it came time to show the tape Victor admited it didn't exist. Michael immediatly won the case for defimation and Victor fled to Chili. He's also apart of this doc too. It's not that hard to make it up.

[@roxanafleschin424]

and if you haven't found out by now the mockumentary is all full of inconsistencies and lies. do more research on it, its been debunked a long time ago.

[@AshlieCrawford]

Whenever anyone speaks on this subject you can always tell whether they have watched it or not. Regardless if you think Michael did it or not you should watch the doc so you can have full understanding and have it answer popular questions people seem to have. (watching it would also help you realize he for sure did it...)

[@EastOfTheAnduin]

You should do some other research too, not just watch a movie. Just because they say something happened doesn't mean it did. Both are proven liars. You shouldn't just take what they say at face value.

[@aussielung]

EastOfTheAnduin I keep hearing this same argument that James and Wade are proven liars but no one even shows what it was they lied about.

[@AshlieCrawford]

aussielung exactly

[@EastOfTheAnduin]

@@aussielung This is from award-winning investigative journalist Charles Thomson. These are facts and can be collaborated through RESEARCH. There are more, but I'm not going to scour the Internet for them right now. DO RESEARCH! "I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings. For five years, these men - both professional actors - have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents. I’ve tried not to fill my Facebook feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on Facebook - a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you. *Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court - twice - but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie. *Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him. *In his initial creditor's claim, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account. *Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. He then lied under oath and claimed he’d never sent them to publishers. Despite having been ordered to hand over all correspondence and documents pertinent to his allegations, Robson never handed over his drafts or correspondence about his attempts to secure book deals until the Estate discovered they existed and the court had to compel him to do so. *Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by redacting all the emails between himself and his family members and citing ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys. *When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson. *The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway. When questioned about it, his mother claimed the email had been longer and had been misconstrued. Asked whether she could therefore produce the complete email and prove she was telling the truth, she claimed she no longer had access to her email account. *Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars. *Months later, Jimmy Safechuck claimed he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck said he suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving family members started suing each other for control of the family business. *Robson was ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer. *Safechuck claims in the TV show that Jackson spent Thanksgiving Day 1987 at his home. Jackson was not only at Safechuck's home on Thanksgiving Day 1987, he was not even in the country. He was in Australia on tour. Footage of the Australian tour is even included elsewhere in the TV show, unwittingly airing evidence which disproves its own 'star witness's testimony. *Safechuck claims in the TV show that he and Jackson had a mock wedding in 1989 and then went on 'honeymoon' to Euro Disney. Euro Disney did not open until 1992. By 1992, Safechuck claims in the film he was already being phased out and 'replaced' with another boy. *Safechuck's mother claims in the TV show that she woke up to the news of Jackson's death and danced around because he 'couldn't hurt anymore children'. The Safechuck family lives in California, where Jackson also lived. His death was pronounced at 3pm on June 25, 2009, and became a news story within minutes. Does Safechuck's mother typically wake up after 3pm? *Despite such glaring issues with the witness's testimony, director Dan Reed claims he 'forensically' researched their allegations before including them in his TV show. *Both men’s timelines have changed repeatedly and are often contradictory and nonsensical. For example, Safechuck claimed in his lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in the same suit, he claimed to have told a relative he’d been abused in 2005 and had therefore ‘refused’ to testify for Jackson’s defence. *But according to Jackson’s defence team, Safechuck was never asked to testify in 2005. Court records show the judge ruled early on that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. *Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last two weeks. *Robson claimed in a BBC interview two weeks ago that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that whilst they went to Neverland roughly 14 times, Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four. *Questioned about their financial motive, the men have claimed in recent weeks that they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal with Jackson anonymised as ‘John Doe 1’, and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a settlement did he go public. I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania. Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives. It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage."

[@EastOfTheAnduin]

@@AshlieCrawford Have you done that research I told you to do? No? Then shut the fuck up.

[@steelberg23]

There’s no way Schaub has seen the full documentary.

[@ramondiosdado9757]

Considering he thinks James is gay especially when his wife was in the documentary, I'd say you're probably right. Lol

[@ramondiosdado9757]

@@sheasavo11 both him and rob still seemed to be in love with mj still

[@bushman7579]

MJ actually said the best thing was hanging out with you And your family, it's in the video but the director edited it out!!

[@matttriano]

Um. That makes no fucking difference whatever. He said he loved those two families many times in the doc. And he fucked the two boys as well. Both things happened, he said something that wasn't entirely true to do something heinous that he knew was morally fucked. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT.

[@bushman7579]

Ppl get programmed so easily lol

[@karlamena187]

It’s all about the money

[@thesimulation9651]

If it's true (which I can believe) what is the alternative to them coming forward now? That they stay silent until they die? They lied in their 20's, and are telling the truth now. It's a great relief when you come to terms with the fact that you are a survivor of trauma, when you believed your whole life that you were complicit in or responsible for that trauma. Being a parent completely changes your perspective on childhood sexual abuse.*onward and try it out*

[@ryanp1233]

People seem to forget that victims of this type of abuse tend to actually love the person that hurt them and therefore want to protect them. But the coincidental timing of Wade's financial issues and this documentary doesn't sit easy with me.

[@gfjdklgsjpkvjk]

One lied the other refused to testify.

[@ChokeslamToHell]

@@ryanp1233 plus the revenge factor for not being selected by the estate for Cirque. And his original 2013 case demonstrates he’s a liar beyond belief.

[@kjeezy2990]

Of course Bryan loves woody Allen

[@kjeezy2990]

Beside provocative pics of his adolescent adopted daughter?

[@jaredbrinkman3343]

er lo dudes still married to his ex wife’s daughter that he raised. He had pictures of her naked when she was underage

[@jorasize]

Its not a micheal jackson doc.... its from the two guys

[@ericm3327]

The audio from the plane was chopped up, he said my favorite part about going to Hawaii is being here with Jimmy safechuck AND his family and spending time with THEM. He spoke to him about the Pepsi commercial as positive reinforcement because he was talking to a 7 year old. Of course it seems sinister put next to spooky music and claims of abuse

[@caronji]

You're spitting coherent facts but the doubters that live for this documentary still can't get it that people will lie, cheat, steal, etc. for fame and money.

[@JayASMRt]

Is there anywhere I can hear the whole thing?

[@HotMessMemories1]

caronji ask @Eric Martinez. He seems to have heard the original, uncut tape recording that the Safechuck’s obviously kept. 😆

[@ericm3327]

I’m sure it’s on KZbin there are several good compilation refuting facts. Look up Razorfist Michael Jackson it’s a three part rebuttal with facts.

[@HotMessMemories1]

Eric Martinez pedos supporting pedos.

[@mowler8042]

You have a history of what Michael did and what Michael said on camera that he let kids sleep in his bed and video of him saying he loved certain boys he dug a hole that is hard to dispute. The parents are to be held responsible and the people that surrounded Michael

[@mowler8042]

James W well he did a terrible job if that is true

[@averynacho8038]

I don’t think Schaub watched both parts, the second part explains the trials.

[@Frankh747]

Just found this channel... Its great!

[@moonchild9113]

Ya'll need to watch SQUARE ONE!!!!

[@omnignarusist]

love people judging something without even seeing it. went in w/ an open mind watching the doc. after seeing part two you can tell they are telling the truth. both boys were clearly in love with mj, and vice versa.

[@td8069]

It can be 100% true BUT they still protected a pedophile for over 20 years. Fuck them

[@timterrell8678]

They left out in the documentary that Wade and James are suing the Jackson estate for $1.6 Billion dollars. Wade never mentions that he dated Jackson’s niece for 7 years during the same period he said Jackson wanted him to himself and told him to hate women. Jackson introduced them. Jackson’s niece knows Wade better than anyone. She said he is lying. He cheated on her with 4 women including a married woman and Britney Spears. Wade not only lied in his 2005 testimony, he also lied in his current testimony. He has changed his story 4 times and only came out after being turned down for a job with Cirque du Soeil in Vegas. No evidence was presented in the documentary that Jackson was guilty. FBI have been investigating Jackson for 10 years, raided his place twice, searched 17 laptops and never found anything to charge him with.

[@omnignarusist]

@@timterrell8678 I think the lawsuit was mentioned, but it was dismissed due to statute of limitations. I think Wade dated the niece to stay close to mj, he still seems to have love him oddly, just an opinion though.

[@timterrell8678]

Sir John Harington Wade and James are currently in appeal and stand to make millions. Wade lied extensively during his current deposition. He lied to save his probate claim when he stated he didn’t know MJ Estates existed when he reached out to them himself prior. He extensively lied during the discovery process, hiding his emails and the book he was shopping around. In his civil complaint he told a story by Charlie Michaels that his own mother told him wasn’t true. He is a fucking liar.

[@omnignarusist]

@@timterrell8678 I just read about the appeal. It does sound like they are trying to make a buck. I still believe it happened and they loved each other equally and intimately. MJ brainwashed them at a young age, this has long term repercussions, hence the lying. It is weird though right? I mean any other man (you or me, sry if ur not a guy) w/ this behavior would raise huge red flags. Again just my opinion.

[@davidherbert1410]

Make think Schaub never seen the documentary. Think he seen it through social media comments.

[@emotionallyslutty]

The most dubious part of the documentary for me was when Wade claimed that Michael was arranging those dance competitions (which he wasnt the store was) to prey on kinds and like pick from them. Like the way he described it was meant to imply that he was chosen and groomed already or whatever they call it. Then we learn that MJ just left and it was the mother who kept contacting him and sending letters and tapes about Wades dance skills or whatnot insisting on meetings later on... Also the wives behaviour durring the interviews was kinda off? Like they were giggling randomly while talking about some traumatic stuff. Idk

[@evem620]

They're liars

[@CJayin]

If you watch it you know, they’re no doubt in my mind.

[@flossybear6960]

Watch it and you might have some understanding why Wade testified for him

[@EastOfTheAnduin]

Hie excuse is bullshit. The dinner where he said he came to the realization he would lie for Michael, took place AFTER he testified, not before as the movie said. Plus, who would do that? If he was molested, he would want to put that guy away. Who's to say he wasn't molesting his own kids? Robson is a lying sack of balls. He's a PROVEN liar.

[@c.l.1820]

You dumb. Wade Robson still made dance videos dancing to MJ songs after he said he allegedly molested him. Lol who does that if he was so traumatized? He still making money off Michael. He's a narcissist.

[@danielbutler748]

Callen: I don't trust these guys. Callen: I trust too easily.

[@Berkmugga]

Anyone who believes these two dudes are gullible. They’re just looking for money and people eat up the MJ pedo line like they’re starving for it.

[@hum21]

James Safecheck, at about 12 testified to a grand jury in 1993 that nothing happened.Robson testified to the grand jury in 93 but that case settled out of court for between 22 and 25 million, so it never went to trial. Robson actually got on the stand in court in the criminal case in 2005 and testified on Michael's behalf.

[@vladconcepcion3588]

What happened? No love for Eddie? You don't hug me huh? - Bryan's best lines ever. The Hangover 2009

[@CadillacJak]

The hush money ran out

[@shaya5325]

CadillacJak nah... wade just got irrelevant and he need money... and I just feel like the other guy is high...

[@acs79]

To make it look worse, ya know they edited the part in the documentary where he asks “what was your favourite part of trip”???

[@evelynforever2016]

Thank you!

[@acs79]

He said along the lines of “with you and your family, spending time with you you and your family”. That doco edited so sound creepy. It’s on one of the debunk videos.

[@hazelwalsh3269]

ACS 79 Whether it’s him and the family.... it’s still the same! Grooming the whole family!!

[@acs79]

Hazel Walsh That’s not what we’re talking about is it? Talking about how it’s edited to sound worse.

[@sabmis2658]

It's monumental, everyone should see it!

[@jamestayla4701]

I assume the greaser is the fighter so that would make the 60 year old man the kid?

[@raullopez4243]

It was a different era, so I think it was easier to believe the illusion of the “popstar”, what is common sense today wasn’t the obvious then

[@veksone77]

Yeah that's bullshit... I don't care who it is or what era... You don't let a grown man have sleep overs with your children!!!

[@oskajohn3795]

I mean, during the non internet star era...to be on tv is not easy. Being on TV and achieved mega star status is foing to make people appear like a superior being

[@nGUNNARp]

Completely false, nobody has ever thought an adult man sleeping with a child who isn't their own was normal in the history of humans

[@HotMessMemories1]

Raul Lopez by “illusion”, do you mean drag and tucking your junk?

[@nenabunena]

No it wasn't. The jury were conservative folks who were older and not even mj fans. But you wouldn't know that bec it's easier to make false allegations than to do actual research

[@beenay18]

he will change his mind if he sees the documentary. Its disturbing. He has the notion that its something like voilence and rape but the story is very different and twisted and cunning than he thinks.

[@domzbu]

Some people are good actors esp using rehearsed scripts, defending Jackson under oath in 2005, changing their stories when in financial trouble, and documentaries are usually inherently biased in one direction or another, and editing exaggerates the effect. If you want to be unbiased you probably shouldn’t interview accusers only

[@jessieurena7583]

Documentary filled with anecdotal evidence

[@kerryl5030]

Good show. I have theories/questions about MJ behaviors that I have yet to see discussed but I haven't tried to watch every commentary/media on the subject. I wonder about the emotional connection between Wade and Michael. The starstruck influence that drove the Robson family, and the tendancy of tweens^ to get crushes on their teachers...and the obvious suggestion that Michael wanted a Mini-me included in his image. I also suspect that Michael as a child was repeatedly subjected to secret Hollywood power predators. Young, cute, up and coming boys in Hollywood are targeted and that was definitely our cute and fabulous 1960's/70's Michael Jackson. My interest is in getting really deep into areas that cause such things as molestation and smear campaigns and how views on appropriate showing of love can differ immensely. My mind is full of questions about what really happened, why and how and this is the first place I felt inclined to share. Thank you for letting me put my thoughts out there. I'm subscribing to your show.

[@DavidMcCourt]

Safechuck (the older of the two) did not testify in 2005. He refused to.

[@roxanafleschin424]

he didn't refuse to, he wasn't even asked to actually, the judge said it was unnecessary for him to even be a witness. do more research.

[@IGOTGAMEAJ]

they did not have kids of their own yet early 20's ...it all changed when he had his son he said if he did not have his son he would of took it to the grave with him

[@YellowMouse998]

It's now proven that the audio clip with mj and boy interviewing each other is edited. In the orginal clip mj says my favourite part of the trip is being with you and your family.

[@maxmeier532]

Why dont you link the complete audio. If it's true go ahead. Also: whether the word family was said is irrelevant. the allegations arent based on the tape and it's not a big part in the puzzle. It's well established he shared his bed with the boys and not the families.

[@gohanson27]

@@maxmeier532 allegations? Its rumors. FBI already solved this.

[@gohanson27]

@@maxmeier532 go find it urself bro. Are u dumb as fuck? The Doc is 4hrs long take 5mins AMD search and listen to it sheesh

[@annlanders978]

The entire thing is grossly edited.

[@RoonyToony]

Bob Smith - You’re right, it’s not NOW proven, it has ALWAYS been proven. It was used in court by Jimmy in 2013 which was thrown out. The court documents are there for the public to see. Why would they use “evidence” in the documentary that was laughed out of court?

[@SweetSoulBrother0]

That Brendan mentions Elton John is actually hilarious cause Elton John and Michael Jackson both helped Ryan White, the kid who got HIV through polluted blood supply and then later died from AIDS in the 90's. They basically knocked on his door to his mom and hung out with Ryan until he passed away. The Michael Jackson song Gone Too Soon is about that kid

[@caliwest8597]

I had to give u guys a subscription 😁

[@samuelhowell7364]

Just watched it. It needs to be seen before you make a judgement.

[@poopdtoilette6182]

Samuel Howell you can never make a judgement on anything you haven't personally seen

[@xxosaroxx]

I guess we should all start “telling our truths” now. Everyone should believe “our story” even if it’s all lies. Society fails to reason.

[@kennethtapia4711]

I saw the whole thing and my full judgement on it was the fact that the motive behind it is to distract people away from Harvey Weinstein and his HBO's Entourage. A well known sexual predator

[@ygrainependragon]

It isn't about the track record. Its about being afraid of what will happen to you if you tell the truth.. especially after being groomed for your entire life.. along with your parents. These guys are already well off and famous. They don't need the money.

[@KennyBucketz]

ygrainependragon money is a huge motivation. If it weren’t, The wouldn’t have a track record of suing Michael Jackson’s estate for millions before this documentary. Most people (poor or well off), want more money. Also, Wade’s career and finances were supposedly in the tank before he made his first accusation. Fame doesn’t always equal well off. I’m not saying they are lying, but to say that money can’t be seen as a possibly motivation for them based off the the reasons you gave, is wrong. It’s very possible that it’s about money.

[@charlottebrazil6967]

Well Safechuck was molested but his uncle on his mum side why hide it why only reloaded once wayde did it’s fishy

[@shainashort9652]

They are paper chasers! How anyone can believe they aren't after money is beyond logic.

[@nickaylmer5481]

If it weren't about the money then why are they going after money? Also dont use Wade's bullshit excuse of it being the only way to get people to listen, bc that man tried to settle outside of court silently, but the estate said no cause he has no support to his allegations

[@dravenlee4473]

I love how Schaub asks a question and then immediately interrupts when someone tries to answer.

[@Colt.evans0824]

“Mentality I’ll on them beats” Haha that shit was funnt

[@Capgungoesbang]

Bryan really needs to watch it. Also, considering these guys went through years of sex abuse and the emotional abuse around “not getting caught”, ofcourse they’re gonna defend him at first, I think it makes sense that it would take them a long time to come forward. And what money are they gonna get? Clearly they’re gonna get less from doing this, other than the freedom of telling the truth. Just the fact alone he only wanted little boys around, he didn’t care about allllllll children. And once these kids got to a certain age they would notice they were replaced by younger boys through the same patterns.

[@Capgungoesbang]

Tubularm8 exactly, it’s much more complicated than Bryan is making it out to be just because they suddenly became adults. It really was as though they were Michael’s boyfriends because of how he treated them and Michael is the entertainer of all entertainers, ofcourse they’re gonna fear speaking against him. Their stories were so specifically parallel as well. Also, the parents clearly should have seen the red flags, and everyone keeps wanting to talk about how it’s the parents fault but they won’t ever say how Michael is at fault. Michael is the catalyst, he is the one who caused all this trauma, very likely due to his own trauma. I think their voices are undeniable.

[@EricK-ir8np]

Yeah he sounds like an IDIOT!!!

[@gerrywi92]

@@Tubularm8 you're confusing Wade with James. But it's worth looking into Wade. Wade's story is so incredibly flawed and contradicting, this should not be ignored. He insists that he doesn't suffer from repressed memory and always knew what MJ did to him. But nobody forced Wade to go on the witnessstand in 2005 and nobody asked him to praise MJ up until July 2012 in interviews, eventhough he opened up to a therapist in march 2012. He actively approached the family for tickets for the memorial and begged the estate in 2011 (which he claimed he didn't know of an estate until 2013) to be the lead choreographer for MJ cirque du soleil. Wade not only has a credibility problem before 'coming clean' he was also caught in several lies within his lawsuit and changed his story and timeline multiple times. He already had money issues in 2011, thatswhy he sold off MJ memorabilia, like the hat for 50.000 at Julians Auction. They just verified the information that Wade needed money and that he asked to be anonymous. Just when you see him praising MJ in 2012, he already was trying to shop around for a bookdeal with his story in that same year. Is that really the first thing an abused person would do? No publisher was interested anyways. But he claims he is not interested in a financial gain and sued the estate for 1.5 billion. The timing of the lawsuit is also curious. In the trial in 2013 against AEG, AEG announced it is going to get really nasty in the opening statement. One week later Wade came up with the lawsuit. Mesereau commented on that to TMZ. He created his own 'non profit foundation' for abused children which he cleverly parked under the Hawaii Community Foundation where basically there is no transparancy whatsoever about the cashflow and he made this only one month prior to the premier of the documentary. Thats when he supposedly started caring for other victims. And just now the MJ estate verified that Wade and Jimmy do get paid for the docu, which they denied. They earn a percentage of the worldwide airing. And lets not forget the episode where he cheated on Michaels niece, who he had been with for over seven years, with Britney while she was with Justin.😂😂 According to his timeline, he was molested from 1989 to 1996. While the investigation went on in 93, while MJ was with Lisa Marie and while Wade dated MJ's niece?

[@colbycovington1004]

@Azarel 666 Are you saying fu to "his" dumb? Or are you trying to say he is dumb and you never learned the difference between "your" and "you're" in that shit hole you come from?

[@colbycovington1004]

@Azarel 666 Cheetos munching dork playing fortnite in his mom's basement got a big fantasy, get out of here kid.

[@robfuzz]

I can't bear this "but back then they denied abuse...". It shows a clear misunderstanding and willful ignorance of the impact of sexual abuse. How can you, who did not experience this, claim know how someone who did should act, what their journey should look like? Nobody wants their memories and experience of Michael Jackson tarnished. Who doesn't love those songs, those videos. So he was apparently capable of glorious creativity and also such damage. But how do you reconcile that? I don't have an answer.

[@angelslayer169]

Exactly and it shows a willful ignorance as to the psychological consequences of child abuse. For a long time these men didn't consider it abuse and thought of it as a mutual loving relationship. Once they had their own kids they realized how wrong they were. Also when Michael was alive they still felt love for him. MJ was a textbook paedophile and Neverland was a pedos paradise which he created

[@fargotua13]

@@angelslayer169 I don't have a book about pedophiles, so it's hard for me to see that he was textbook anything actually. For me everything about him was unique and I'm not even a die hard fan.

[@Followthis1]

@@angelslayer169 It took them 20 uears for them to come to conclusion that they were abused? Yeah, right. Lmao!!! I also like how you both of them were in financial distress when making this one sided documentary. Lol! You people are completely blind.

[@evanjohnmo]

lol, I can just picture Brendan out there with binoculars in his Daihatsu Charade spying on the domestics.

[@clairemacauliffecarroll263]

I was a fan since I was a child but now that I am a mom of 2 kids, I think something deviant went on because I can't understand how anyone can allow a grown man, regardless of his status, to sleep with one's child. No amount of money can change my mind, IMO. If it turns out to be true, I think the parents should be blamed for it happening. As a parent, your job is to love and protect them at all costs... no excuses, no cash bribes, NOTHING!!! Leaving your kids to spend all their time with grown men when they should be outside with other kids is a huge RED FLAG. Wtf is wrong with these parents?

[@plopez1961]

There's no doubt they deserve a share of the blame, but like most pedophiles, MJ was very effective at grooming both the adults and the children. I don't think ppl understand the lenghts he would go to gradually build the parents trust, and slowly gain more access to their kids.

[@michaelsevilla3697]

​@@plopez1961michael jackson wasn't a pedophile I guess your really that gullible and clueless you don't know that those 2 pathetic lying losers robson and safechuck testified under oath twice during the 2005 trial and they defended michael jackson and they said he didn't molest them and they're two proven liars already google the damn evidence why do you think the california state police the fbi and criminal trial all said michael jackson was innocent Michael jackson wasn't a pedophile period those lying scumbag families from the accusers were trying to take advantage of him

[@fshoaps]

@@michaelsevilla3697Why is every MJ fan nearly illiterate like you? Did you attend High School? Is English your third, or fourth language? Your writing lacks serious coherency.

[@rwoods4171]

this is just dumb.. get some facts before you judge! Do research !

[@__Raid__]

You are just a blind defender

[@rwoods4171]

The mom stated that she was “happy” Michael died because of what he did too her son! Her son didn’t come out until 2013 after he saw wade robson in a interview and Michael died in 2009? How did she know before her son came out? Also, why would you try for a book deal before you try to file charges?

[@rwoods4171]

@Desperado AllanPoe those are facts and there are 70 pages worth of facts! Look some up like I said!

[@__Raid__]

Rowdy Blackwood Well now I’m confused do you think these people are all lying and Michael is innocent?

[@rwoods4171]

Desperado AllanPoe I am saying I did the research before I ran my mouth and you should do the same!

[@gfjdklgsjpkvjk]

Bryan is so annoying, he acts like he knows what he is talking about. He talks like he is above everybody.

[@yos5177]

Stfu BITCH

[@t.j.watson7112]

@@yos5177 so you like sticking up for paedophiles

[@blesswillw8629]

Guy didnt even watch the doc but so passionate... done

[@tamaracastro6041]

Watch it!!

[@BlvckMamba]

I think Bryan needs to take into account that these guys really loved Michael. They didn't realise what they were going through was abuse and they stated several times they defended him because they still cared about him. It wasn't until they had kids that they realized the magnitude of what they experienced.

[@imranvp]

I call bullshit. If Michael Jackson are willfully telling these kids "If anyone ever found out... you and I both would go to jail." That instantly is a red flag for me. Don't tell me when someone says that to you it doesn't strike you as "this is something wrong. We're doing something WRONG here that's why he's telling me we will go to jail if we get caught." I don't care how old you are. Wade Robson defended Michael in '93 and '05. I can give him a pass in the 90s since he was still a kid. But don't fkin tell me once you're in your 20s you don't understand what sexual abuse is. The concept of it. The sin. The immorality of it. Don't tell me that. I think both the accusers are just pretending they didn't understand what it was in front of the public so they don't get incriminated for purgery.

[@Thirst4livingwater]

@@imranvp Everyone is ignoring this point. and where the fuck were the parents? MJ is dead so who is next to blame here? The fuckin parents who let there kids be with a grown man for more than week.

[@briangallagher3106]

Watch the razorfist rebuttal, MJ is 100% innocent

[@thewedge8823]

Brendan, they aren't suing MJ today. what are you talking about?

[@jamiefitzgrade7960]

They are suing MJ estate. There is still a payroll going on

[@HotMessMemories1]

Jamie Fitzgrade Wade tried to sue the estate a few years ago, and James joined shortly thereafter. I believe the case was thrown out in 2017 due the statute of limitations exceeding. Sad thought, since the statute of limitations is in place so that courts can ensure that certain details of the case can be preserved. Watching the doc, it sure does seem that they have details in spades. Certainly enough to prove in court that they were in relationship with the man in certain points and throughout time as children. I mean James kept jewelry that MJ gave to him as BJ gifts. Those of you who haven’t or refuse to see this doc should definitely reconsider. In fact, dm me and I will give you my HBONow sign on info.

[@richardrussel4567]

MJ estate still has exclusive rights to a lot of Beatles songs.

[@cornboy7587]

Yes they are. They've attempted it a few times now and each time get laughed the fuck out of court due to how laughably bad their stories are.

[@doa3330]

Sueing for ten million. Pls check ur facts. Mj is innocent has always been. not one person who got to know him said he was capable of this.

[@Lancehendrix813]

5:11 I didn’t watch the whole video but Michael actually said “my favorite thing about Hawaii is spending time with you *and your family”* I believe there is a clip on KZbin somewhere

[@Dbonkerz81]

That recording you're talking about when he supposedly says his favourite part in hawaii was spending time with the boy. Was edited, if you do you're research he actually says spending time with the family aswell. Completely taken out of context as per usual.

[@J.P.G.78]

a lot of people go after Michael but what about Joe? I mean he is the root cause of all the sickness of that family. nobody wants to talk about that but it's a very important piece, if not the biggest piece of the whole story of why Michael allegedly did what he did

[@imranvp]

Yup. You're absolutely right. Michael Jackson was molested himself as a kid by Joe Jackson, his father. Latoya Jackson, his sister has gone on record stating that Joe had sexually abused his kids including Michael. Rebbie Jackson who is Michael Jackson's oldest sister had actually fled from their house at the age of 16 because of sexual abuse. Joe fucked up his entire family...bad!

[@Wandering-Rover-Productions]

leave Joe Rogan out of this...

[@slipstreammonkey]

@@Wandering-Rover-Productions Really, I mean Joe was treated like a jock strap...and his father before him, it just keeps going back to the Bible.

[@ridjdpoi7223]

Anyone not brainwashed is 99.999999% sure he is guilty.

[@TIENxSHINHAN]

If you really read into that shit, it's iffy as fuck. Don't just watch the movie and trust the word of 2 guys, do some research on it too.

[@Makkino]

Wouldn't it be way to easy if everyone just believe everything they hear without any verification?

[@ps5stuffguy]

Learn about Joe Jackson. He messed up Micheal kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4q0pGite52Ig6s

[@okba1452]

You mean any one brainwashed*... Since when did woke people start ignoring the facts and believing a persons words without proof?? Fuckin sheep

[@WavyJayZ]

It’s actually the opposite. If the “documentary” didn’t make you research you’re brainwashed. How you say? Because you’re ready to believe the word of two actors with no evidence or proof, just anecdotal bullshit. YOURE brainwashed. Don’t say you did any research either, if you did you wouldn’t believe those two because their lies and inconsistencies are being exposed EVERYWHERE.

[@swagn1f1c13nt]

Brendan got the old school mentality with kids. No games, straight up.

[@Beast777Mode]

The Maid also said nothing happened during the trial but later changed her story, and said she was threatened not to say anything

[@TheMartin9400]

How often has Callen seen something Schaub is taling about? NEVER

[@granthillman3440]

Callen was basically molested by a camp counselor as a kid, had you watched thirty minutes past this snippet. That's as first-hand and relatable to a situation as this.

[@sunavila]

10:40 Unfortunately you cannot separate the art because the fame and fortune that comes along with it is what enables celebrities to do heinous things.

[@roberto125919]

Yep good point. If michael wasnt famous he would just be any other paedophile in prison

[@IAmRedherrings]

Nah fuck that Id still listen to 'you've got that vibe' by r Kelly and 'don't stop til you get enough' by MJ and aaaiiint nooobooody stoppin me

[@BeatsByMrSmith]

whens the right time to tell ! whether your an adult or not , people have told when their older in other cases...

[@KidoBedo]

Hey guys, I saw this doc. I have never looked into it, but because i saw a doc about a subject i automatically believe and know everything about this subject

[@ellie-os9lu]

Firstly They didn’t get pays for the interview so how are they in it for the money. if you have not been a victim of abuse you can not comment on someone who has gone through child sexual abuse’s behavior.Its extremely hard to come forward and tell the truth it’s a scary process most victims of child abuse take years to come forward, some never do.Its not like these are the only 2 men to make accusations one of this boys got paid 10 million by Michael in a out of court agreement to avoid a court case happening, What was he trying to hide? Is it not weird/suspicious to you that Michael a grown man likes to sleep in the same bed as boys because he missed out on his childhood

[@eternalvigor1190]

ellie232677 they’re suing the estate with an appeal for millions of dollars. Just because they didn’t get paid for the interviews in the doc doesn’t mean they’re not getting paid elsewhere.

[@sasafrass8186]

Callen needs to watch both parts! I felt exactly like him until I watched it.

[@theoldblood3804]

He did it. Period.

[@alittlekittycat21]

MJ is innocent... his life was tragic. No one gave him mercy on his soul- they saw dollar signs and they tore him apart like savage animals. Even now, they keep beating the dead horse.

[@jasonlewis8852]

First of all the tape recording was cut. If you listen to the whole recording, michael jackson says his fav part was spending it with biilly and his FAMILY!!!! Reply

[@PungiFungi]

This is what FAKE NEWS is all about,. They use bits and pieces of soundbites and do a whole spin and narrative on it.

[@GonzoGolf]

Dude did it

[@K1C2F3A4]

Michael suffered with body dysmorphia disorder : He show many signs of autistim his mother said as a child he just changed from loud to withdrawn and she didn't know why Also he would lock himself in his room at night dancing for 5-6 hours Some Autistic find the little things in life beautiful he loved water funfairs animals ceilings angles ect ect . He was picky eater his mum would false feed him as a child . Michaels Artwork his drawings are to detail . He shows many traits , years ago autism wasn't known so was never diagnosed . Autistic people find it easier to communicate with young or older people . Michaels was friends with Elizabeth Taylor to Macaulay culkin look at the age gap difference . When I see Michael I just see pure innocence That interview the boy did on the plane as been edited they cut the bit out saying I loved being with you jimmy and spending time with your family :: Dans a nasty man for making him look bad

[@themurphy1245]

Gonzo the great Fortunately you’re not a judge. Keep going at heart see how far in life you will go without utilising your brain.

[@rasheed9705]

Since the documentary has been debunked, they should re-address the issue. This didn't age well considering.