'Leaving Neverland' & Michael Jackson's Allegations | The Joe Budden Podcast

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[@jicter1]

No facts bros. And weird doesn't equal pedophilia. Also nobody can put themselves in his shoes and understand his life.

[@chrisssyp]

why did he spend 30 days sleeping in the same bed as a 7 year old?

[@thessamarie5928]

@@chrisssyp we dont even know if that happened.

[@SidB8]

@@chrisssyp None of that has even been truly verified. Lots of people have gone on record to state that he's had entire families sleepover at Neverland. It wasn't just boys but girls, mothers and fathers. The media twisted the narrative around to focus it on "little boys" when it wasn't NEARLY as creepy as they made it seem, especially since his bedroom was the size of a two-story house.

[@chrisssyp]

@@SidB8 michael said it himself, the parents say it, the kids said it, the maid said it. he slept with those boys in his room. its not up for disputing, its accepted as the truth.

[@victorl3969]

@@chrisssyp what's also a fact is that his "room" is literally the size of a 2 story house

[@MsUnbreakable19]

Joe takes a MAJOR L on this. Know your facts before you speak on the situation

[@amila_]

Michael Jackson avi yeah you’re totally not biased

[@MsUnbreakable19]

Amila Badass What is there to be biased about?? Whether I’m a fan or not, facts are facts

[@dewreckp.h.djr.5589]

@RoyalAfricanQueenV umm it's easy to judge when you SLEEP IN BED WITH KIDS. Smh regardless of what the VICTIMS said, Michael Jackson, out of his own mouth said he does. I dont need no more prove than that. YOUR gullible if you think nothing happened

[@mgardner70]

He’s been taking L’s for a while now.

[@amila_]

RoyalAfricanQueenV you will never catch me in a situation where I could be accused. Michael continued to sleep with boys in his house, soOooo

[@Cephus508]

Mike own 50 percent of Sony and they was doing everything to destroy that man’s career and now they wanna kill his legacy.

[@dewreckp.h.djr.5589]

Crazy how his in house doctor, who was drugging him up per his request killed him. That dont have nothing to do with Sony or what he owned.

[@alanr225]

Also owned the Beatles, the 007 theme song, and more. heard he also gave little Richards music back at no cost.

[@christianluu8813]

​@@dewreckp.h.djr.5589 jsut because a patient asks for drugs doesnt mean the doctor has to give it to him. The doctor gave him propofol thru IV at 25mg....thats letal...13mg can be lethal let alone 25mg straight into someones veins smh

[@WhyNotTruth]

Just like Cosby, he destroyed his own legacy.

[@Cephus508]

@@dewreckp.h.djr.5589 doc was the cover guy...I believe other ppl was involve that we don't know about.

[@Amariiiiie]

Your “boy” Wade was the one trying to sell a book.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

I think he was confusing them tbh.

[@MissFlorenceBeauty]

Amy L riiiiiiight

[@Juju-lt3kc]

His boy wade dated Brandi Jackson for several years and Michael Jackson set that relationship up.

[@Polentaccio]

He is confusing them..Wade was the one that had the aggressive mom and was dancing in comps at 5. So he actually feels for Safechuck.

[@applecandyfolks7979]

And how does that negate Michael being a pedophile?

[@bamm86]

I’ve never stopped listening to Mike. Never will.

[@nekanicole4571]

PERIODT!

[@julianhudson2374]

Why?Why?Does he do me that way?

[@bamm86]

snowcone 666 No proof of that, buddy. Don’t be a slave to media manipulation.

[@minusdagreez8817]

@@bamm86 his behaviour alone is enough tbh

[@bamm86]

Minus DaGreez Not really. There are opposite spectrums of everything. He could’ve been an innocent which is exactly how the writer of Peter Pan was described. Mike paid people to pose as shoppers in a grocery store just so he could feel what it’s like to be a regular person shopping. He had no childhood and no real adulthood. He was secluded from real life. It’s very possible that he just wanted to be a kid. I mean he named his spot Neverland for Christ’s sake. People thinking him having kids in his bed is a obvious indicator of pedophilia are thinking from their own personal perspective which is warped by the evils of society. NO evidence was found of him being a pedo. Your math has a bunch of unknown variables so you’re adding 2 + 2 when there are way more variables in that equation. It’s just soooo easy to condemn somebody. You believe a couple known obsessed money hungry liars but you don’t believe the people who have nothing to gain from Mike who said he didn’t do SHIT.

[@liyanerdygirl9870]

I just would like Mal to be careful about saying a 7 yo would tell someone if something happened to them. There are many reasons why a child wouldn’t tell. So many factors.

[@Dpoolbbandit]

Mal is that guy but it's usually the total opposite people take these things to the grave with them

[@B.Piercesports]

I wish something would've happened to me as a kid I would tell everyone who listened like if they said I'll kill your parents well you gonna have to kill them

[@mackdadon402]

I agree

[@teniseuna]

Yali Perez what a ignorant thing he said! I can’t stand his face!! It makes this podcast so disingenuous

[@teniseuna]

Yunggin Queen what relevance does this response have on the comment?

[@soonerlilsis]

Let me know when Oprah has her Harvey Winstein Interviews and Behind the Scenes

[@starpleb843]

@@javy1852 One case has evidence, the other doesn't.

[@chasepotter2376]

Laurence White bro they seem straight up like they are lying. The interviews were pieces together to seem like they were done in one sitting. They both seemed like they were going by a script. They had sooooo many years to plan out everything, they could so easily be lying their asses off.

[@laurencewhite4809]

@@chasepotter2376 Explain to me what would motivate Wade to ruin his family forever? Money? His brother and sister has abandoned their mother, they have cut all contact, because of the fact that she didn't protect Wade. Like Wade, his brother and sister, literally broke down in their interview. Those tears are REAL. No money in the world would make you destroy your own family like that. The same goes for Jimmy, he actually refused to publicly defend Michael in second trial, and broke down to his mother about what had happened to him. He also no longer speak to his mother. These families are RUINED. Its not a lie. And you protect the guy that we know for a fact slept with kids!

[@jstixx]

Laurence White 10 years of FBI investigations and here you are stating for a fact that MJ molested kids after no convictions and hearing that the FBI said they found nothing 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️ OK...

[@laurencewhite4809]

@@jstixx Jackson wasent under surveillance by the FBI for 10 years! ITS A LIE! They searches his house two times, but in-between from the first lawsuit, to the second one, he was not under active surveillance by the FBI. This is propaganda by his family. Im an MJ fan, I KNOW the facts.

[@MrChaos232]

John Legend ain't been shit since Green light

[@MrChaos232]

@RoyalAfricanQueenV facts

[@MrChaos232]

@Precious B correction Tonight (Best you ever had)

[@DaFutureva]

This made me laugh out loud

[@Mo-kq6dl]

Correction.. used to love u

[@unapologetictact6458]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@WhatSmada]

This isn't a game that you can just dabble in Joe, you have a platform, look into something not just some gut feeling based on nothing

[@madluv6789]

I agree. He didn't even know who wrote the book trying to sell something. WTF if you don't WHO you're talking about.

[@tstarr2399]

If mike was so weird to everyone why did all these parents feel so comfortable leaving their kids with him repeatedly. Obviously he didnt seem weird to them then.

[@irishmanrants89]

Money

[@TraverseRaps]

Money and social status.

[@itsakm4964]

@@TraverseRaps do you really think people would put their kids at risk for money....

[@TraverseRaps]

@@itsakm4964 I'm so glad you grew up amongst a loving household with parents that loved you unconditionally.

[@itsakm4964]

@@TraverseRaps yeah but we are talking about dozens of kids not one or two

[@lenagallager3576]

No proof. I believe he's innocent. I did my part.... I just ordered his book Moonwalk and his greatest hits CD!! LOVE YOU MJ!!

[@tjdscoots]

imagine being blinded by fame so hard you can look at a grown man holding a strangers kids hand and not think something is fishy. if thats not evidence i think you need some help and should stay away from children

[@thiccviener825]

You’re an idiot.

[@tushaamagrawal3072]

@@tjdscoots Maybe u r the one who needs help..If holding a childrens had considered sexual abuse then u shld plz delete urself right now...U ppl r so sick..Michael jackson invited wade and safechuck over to neverland for 2 weeks but michael stayed over ther only for 4 days! He was present over there for 4 days only! So how the heck can a person rape them more than 100 times at each night????...The train station lie too...Plus wade kept changing his story..He was confused himself...It was all a money game...How can someone who is molested many times just dance on his songs???? Even when he grew up he danced on MJ's songs!! Maybe u need to do proper research b4 blabbering shit

[@tushaamagrawal3072]

@@chrisssyp I find it strange that ppl can be soo soo dumb to believe the tabloid shit

[@michaeltrapson]

Dude on the left is on code 👏🏽👏🏽 Much respect! 💯🔥

[@AMCEETV]

Michael Trapson big facts 🚫🧢

[@redblackcaz5388]

BRO if the FEDS cant find nothing. Bro the FEDS!!!!! COME on man than there is nothing 2 find

[@shelsparkle2691]

Redblack Caz A FBI

[@davidwhite325]

Niggas are trusting an hbo movie over a federal investigation. Crazy.

[@belladonna5904]

The feds found pictures of NAKED BOYS and photos of his "special friends" in lewd positions. They found A LOT but because the lewd images were not of penetration they weren't technically considered "porn"

[@czarinashane6593]

@@belladonna5904 this was not reported in FBI vault. link me the reference you have. There was no child pornography seen form his files.

[@nanagyambibi7426]

I actually think Joe got the two mixed up. Wade looked like he didn't really give af. It was James that I think sincerely missed Michael.

[@jasonthepowerranger7457]

I agree. James doesnt have his lies together, but it seems almost hard for him to be even doing this shit. I think he just wants the money because after Michael has been dead, James has never looked happy. Wade might actually have a mental condition, so Wade is outta any pity from me

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

But didn’t Wade said he cried when he found out about Michael dying, and James didn’t have much emotion?

[@plugtalk1941]

Word

[@Kayla-kd8ov]

@RoyalAfricanQueenV relax.

[@rafinhaipsep]

Some things about both men on Leaving Neverland you won't see on the documentary or the media. Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court - twice - but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie. Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him. In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account. Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next. Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys. When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson. The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway. Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars. Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other - including him - for control of the family business. Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer. Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week. For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so. But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify - and certainly not after the trial was already underway. Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four. Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.

[@ladyam3016]

Wow! These guys are nuts!

[@rafinhaipsep]

@@conner6417 No I didn't you idiot, there's this thing called copy and paste, stupid!

[@Babayaga34567]

Idiot

[@bastalam]

@@conner6417 why? Cause he presented facts unlike that load of crap they call documentary?

[@Xakanis]

@@conner6417 Lol, a witch hunter on youtube? Go cry yourself to sleep over Kavanaugh, he's going to kill your transexual and gay friends over the next 30 years :)

[@soldiermalak5833]

I can listen to MJ as long as I’m made to listen to the national anthem or star spangled banner

[@aquishaatlas7037]

MALAK ADON .DL hugly

[@Romeowilson2323]

Dl hughly

[@BB31897]

Damn 😳

[@soldiermalak5833]

DL said it the best

[@youdontknowannyeonghaseyo9167]

Facts!!!

[@anitelufalemei4200]

They played Michael Jackson at the club all night lmao. I loved it.

[@soyicasweet99]

Asian Stole My Tv lol I would’ve loved it too

[@SirDiamondRod]

Where?

[@laurencewhite4809]

@@anitelufalemei4200 You don't want to believe, that is why you don't see it. Normal people are able to hold two thoughts on the head at the same time. 1. There is NO EVIDENCE proving Jackson molested these kids. 2. The story they tell, corroborated by their broken family, is 100% legit. You simply can not have a working brain and think they are lying. These families are destroyed. Wades brother and sister are emotionally bankrupt and they no longer speak to their own mother. All because Wade faked being molested? please listen to their stories from beginning to end, in detail. The Jackson propaganda machine on the internet don't tell you full story. Its sick. You need to wake up.

[@anitelufalemei4200]

Laurence White yes there is no evidence because it didn’t happen lmao duh? Wade and his family are also financially bankrupt which is why they made up this fake ass story lol. And I honestly almost believed them too until I looked up wade and his family. Looked into their history and I suggest you do the same. It’s suckers like you that help people like wade get away with these things because you just can’t believe the facts. Instead you believe actors and whatever is being pushed in the media to be truth. I feel sorry for you.

[@tjdscoots]

@RoyalAfricanQueenV dont have kids or you will let them get molested clearly you have no brain

[@JohnnySensei7]

This was such a wild segment lol

[@bamm86]

The man who wrote Peter Pan was marked but never had his own children and he liked spending a lot of time playing with kids (not sexually). He named the characters in Peter Pan after these sibling kids he hung out with a lot and later adopted. People thought he was weird too but no evidence of him being a pedo ever came to the surface.

[@bamm86]

TheActivistBook You read his biography or something? Even the cliff notes?

[@malikkweli8627]

Kids are brutally honest, they have an energy that brings out the best in people. In a world of snakes and backstabbers, i understand why he was like he was. I see why he adopted sooo many kids. All the money in the world couldn't buy him another childhood but, i understand. Michael over compensated for not having a childhood. Its was wierd from the outside looking in but, i get it now.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

What about the rest of his siblings? Did they ever say they missed out on childhood?

[@demontimen1gga819]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209 tf is the point of this question?

[@itsjustnaima]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209well Mike was the one who became the greatest to ever do it. He was the golden child/sibling.

[@meenu.]

I'm not going to mute Michael Jackson. Mute Oprah Winfrey

[@kashiaroundtheworld]

Leaving Oprah 🐍

[@obeytoe1837]

Oprah is a backstabbing snake 🐍

[@justini4100]

Them “gun shots” sound bites had me trippin man....lol

[@missdee4927]

I found Wade to be even less believable than the Safechuck guy.

[@YasmineB2468]

They are confusing them

[@amila_]

James safechuck was definitely disturbed. If not by Michael if its not true then by something. Something happened to that man. He spoke in 3rd person and was very disconnected from the situation.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Amila Badass hell yea! That’s what I said, if Michael ain’t touch him someone did.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

@RoyalAfricanQueenV I'm gullible, but you're the one that could never see Michael doing this after he said out his mouth he sees nothing wrong with sleeping in the bed with children (who aren't even his) LMAOOOOOOOO that's cute.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Johnathon Woss oh the irony lol

[@bellinajo69]

Macauly Culkin, and Brett Barnes, were two young boys to have close friendships with Michael in the early ‘90s, and Brent is even mentioned in the documentary, as the replacement boy. Both Brent and Macaulay, have “categorically denied any sexual contact with Michael Jackson”. Therefore, Leaving Neverland’s director, Dan Reed, decided not to approach either of them to speak in the film. if the documentary is about full truth and transparency, why are they not presenting all the facts?? Very one sided presentation to fulfill their narrative it seems. Also, you should be aware that Wade Robson has set up a go fund me page, and that he was the first to testify, under oath, as an adult, for Michael in his trial in 2003 defending him. So obviously a deplorable fame and money grab. Disgusting to defame a dead man. Do your research on these so called accusers past. Facts first!

[@m00nkiid]

The facts are in the documentary. Predators are very selective about who they abuse, he clearly chose vulnerable familes who he could manipulate Macauly and others obviusly didn't fit his profile, he was very calculated in how he operated. These two men aren't really gaining from this documentary at all. People who are abused in this way have an unbelievably close attachment to their abusers they didn't know they were abused, you obviously do noit understand this issue.

[@bellinajo69]

@@m00nkiid Or wade and James have been debunked multiple times, on their ever changing, non credible, fame and money hungry grab, false one sided narrative, and Michael is NOT a child predator. But yes there are horrible predators out there and they should be prosecuted. Not a dead man who was already found not guilty on 14 counts against him in 2005. And was investigated for 10 years by fbi already while he was actually alive. This needs to stop as Michaels kids and family don't deserve this.

[@jjkulon94]

@@m00nkiidor it shows that the people who aren’t money hungry are telling the truth and have no reason to lie, are telling the truth

[@thatdan]

I Don’t stop till I get enough of this podcast. MJ Is a smooth criminal Not the kind those guys are thinking of

[@irishmanrants89]

I think MJ was a pervert but you’re corny af

[@artvandelay3840]

I'm not sure what kind of evidence you guys are after. I would imagine in most similar cases, there is nothing concrete. It comes down to whether or not you believe the accusers.

[@TatiSaysSo]

Exactly. What “proof “ do they want? What do you say when your child tells you someone molested them? I need proof?! Unless they actually saw it happen there is no proof. Michael knew at one point they were on to him when he told Wade to throw away his blood stained underwear. They both even burned all the stuff he gave them at the end! Including the thriller jacket! They could’ve sold that stuff if they wanted to and so what if they do want money? There’s no amount of money that’s going to make them right in the head again !

[@BijinMCMXC]

Art Vandelay A child being able to accurately describe a grown man’s discolored genitals is proof enough for me.

[@donsavant6170]

BijinXOXO someone could of told him that information most of the kids came out and said they lied because they were coached so that’s not an invalid supposition to think the kid describing his genitals was coached Aswell. Millions at stake, mike was a blank check. But I still don’t know just playin advocate

[@BijinMCMXC]

Don Savant Someone like who? What you’re saying doesn’t even make sense, you’re just saying anything, which you could do for any situation. Stick to the facts, evidence and testimony. A lot of people up here defending MJ don’t even know the details. That’s the only way you could think he’s innocent - not knowing the details of the cases.

[@donsavant6170]

BijinXOXO im actually not saying something simply because it could be said in any situation the basis of my statement in the precedent that some of the kids who accused him years later said they were lying on record. One of them is one of the ones from the new doc it’s well known.

[@breereeves7819]

People want Michael to be guilty so bad that they'll forgo any attempt to even research evidence to the contrary.

[@IAM1OUTOF60]

My moms wasn't gonna let me stay the night at neverland neither. No matter how Famous Michael Jackson was

[@JonathanMutsinzi1998]

Flysoles 614 what about the whole family ? His ‘bedroom’ was like 2 storys

[@ACEofficial7]

Have your parents ever left you with a babysitter/nanny. Same thing 🙄

[@fuzzyfoods710]

I mean, if you are saying the parents are to blame you are also saying Michael Jackson is guilty.

[@poloregal]

ACEofficial7 its not the same thing. A nanny and babysitter are doing a job and getting paid. Mike wanted to keep them for easure

[@moniquel6273]

ACEofficial7 Not the same thing at all. You leave your children with child carers and are paying them to look after your child. If a random person offered to look after my child and was offering me payment and gifts in return, I’d be suspicious.

[@89lahja]

Joe, I gotta say this, Michael wasn't sick just because he was different from the rest of us. He related with kids because they brought him peace and did not judge him, also mind the fact just like you said "he had about 90 guards around him" he could not walk in the streets as you can or go anywhere without scrutiny or paparazzi ruining his day. I think he was a normal person who was different from what you consider as normal in the world you grew up in.

[@strangerdaysss]

17:00 “that’s not a secret you can hold at 7 years old. you’re gonna tell somebody.” this statement is false. as someone who was sexually abused at 6/7 years old i have never told anyone about what happened to me. i am now 30.

[@shaad4044]

Mal with the P Diddy "I like when u like this daddy" lol 4:48

[@jhonedimerguzmanduran5820]

Everybody knows Michael Jackson is innocent forever

[@donovans6472]

if you were listening to michael jackson quoting the bible you would understand why he loves children......i live across the street from a school of children....every recess and lunchtime while i'm sleeping (or trying to sleep) i hear the little children screaming with joy nonstop and it always makes me laugh or happy hearing them......because it reminds me of being a kid of how much fun it was and knowing the kids have so much energy is joyous/funny and mind boggling to me.......so his love for children is also why teachers want to teach kindergarten, run daycares, or other jobs regarding children

[@belladonna5904]

Did Mike choose any of those professions? Or just the pastime of fondling little boys and robbing them of their innocence? Under the guise of "loving children" 🙄

[@blov3615]

Michael used god to manipulate ppl.. a lot of ppl use religion to look innocent.. don’t be blind

[@LMMMMMMMM10]

@@blov3615 Where the hell do you guys get these from? Where in your brain get these from. You probably don't even have ONE

[@LMMMMMMMM10]

@@belladonna5904 Same thing with you smarty pants

[@Casanova966]

The accusations are FALSE. Don't let them try to destroy a Black legacy who happens to be the greatest artist of all time.

[@jbowmandeman]

black god black legacy?

[@greggardner5015]

black god he’s a freak that liked lil boys

[@Casanova966]

TheActivistBook He made it clear that they slept in his bed while he slept on the floor. His room was the size of a small country. Do your research, clown.

[@fredfinks]

dude he was whiter than me. He was white as a ghost and loved a certain type - little white boys. Black god? blind fool more like it

[@teniseuna]

Lol I can’t stand this black legacy rhetoric! When did Michael Jackson ever stan for the black community! From his bleached skin to his white kids! Hanging around little white boys! He changed his whole face to mimic that of a white woman! He probably ain’t never invited one black family to never land apart from his own.. boy bye 👋

[@shaneburrows316]

I can’t take this podcast serious. Cause you joke too much Joe. 😐

[@VanityDivined]

Shane Burrows maybe they’re trying to entertain ppl??

[@shaneburrows316]

VanityDivined this is a serious topic though. I’m trying to be educated but I can’t if he’s joking.

[@bushysowavvey]

Shane Burrows I agree with that. One of the reasons why I’ve never been able to get into it that much.

[@clickthelink5686]

Relax my guy

[@SFab-xv2tt]

the conversati0n around sexual assault when men are the victim is hella different. Everybody laughing and making jokes but when its women the whole podcast act like they're mourning

[@gur6679]

No one talking about all the good thing MJ did but they taking about things never happen ...

[@AurianWarriorOfDarkness]

Facts!!!

[@blov3615]

Any 32 yr old having sleep overs with a 7 yr olds and having phone calls for 3-4 hours a day with a kid.. that’s soooooo weird .. Mike definitely did it it’s all there in plain site

[@rays.3242]

Thank you!!!!!

[@Ang.143]

I love that Joe isn’t blinded by celebrity. I worship no man and Michael should have NEVER been around children. Y’all can make this shit as pretty as you want, his behavior was HIGHLY questionable and obsessive, proof or not. I don’t care how iconic he is. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@claytonpedro9770]

Amen to all that

[@kashiaroundtheworld]

I totally agree and also MJs behaviour was not criminal, it was questionable. Yes, all people need to have transparent behaviour around kids. That's why teachers need to have 2 people in the room etc

[@dhollow83]

From 3:30-3:50 mics needs to drop. What else needs to be said. R.I.P. Michael Jackson and long live yo legacy

[@err0r0b0]

John F Kennedy Assassination? 9-11 Terror Attack/ Saudi Renditions? Bet you were saying Pill Cosby was framed..

[@luis.vuitton]

err0r0b0 Those examples are a false equivalence, those are are bigger then the FBI & people know the truth anyway. MJ was one of the most powerful black men in history, they were looking for any reason to get him & they couldn't. Wire taps, phone records, interrogation, stake outs, spies, raids etc & They came back with nothing? You sound foolish

[@PromosMakeCents]

Joe Budden's Face When Rory Said That's What Happen To Mike Tho... (Talkin About Stage Parents) Hilarious! 😂😭💀

[@Vickyhart1607]

Isn't a documentary meant to be factual? Where is the evidence? I liked this video for the guy on the left. He speaks sense

[@ktal3167]

Evidence? Two victims explaining in detail what they experienced along with their family members corroborating stories isnt enough evidence for you? How can there ever be evidence for ongoing sexual abuse besides peoples recollections? Thats how they find you guilty or not guilty in court. People testifying. Just shut up.

[@chidori5048]

K TAL that’s not evidence that’s he said she said 💀

[@HomieLos1234]

Mal going at John Legend though 😂

[@torrispelichet2810]

Look up razorfist

[@lovelypoet83]

Omg this episode has me dying lmao 🤣 “John Legend has been singing in the same key for 10 years.” 😂😂😂

[@superdan9703]

Every few weeks I come back and watch Mal pop off on John Legend

[@88jameson88]

Joe you know “they” coming for Prince next, keep that same energy

[@aos1762]

Michael has been accused for 20 years. This shit aint new

[@JonathanMutsinzi1998]

88jameson88 James Brown or whatever his name is

[@cornboy7587]

I thought I had heard back in January stories of him having sexual relations with underage girls but who knows. I guess it wasnt "spicy" enough for the media. 😒

[@cornboy7587]

@RoyalAfricanQueenV No I completely agree. It's ridiculous. Like good lord what did MJ ever do these people?

[@belladonna5904]

Um...molested them...

[@naturalbeauty637]

No fact +no tears =no truth

[@lebeautyprenuer3679]

I still haven’t seen the documentary and I don’t want to. I didn’t believe it then and NEVER will! Nobody can Never ruin his legacy in my household....

[@michaelsledge3904]

He did it lol you can still listen to his music tho

[@sq7609]

Me neither sis ❤️ what the world is doing to him right now is truly shameful. We gave him no peace when he was alive & even in death, he is tormented, if not him, than his family...this is truly sickening

[@kimberlyketer8924]

Me too

[@El3ctroclash]

Joe made sense whether you like it or not. Whether he did or did not do anything to those kids is debatable but he did have a sickness and people made a circus of it. But what irks me is why do this now after the man's dead? HBO running out of ideas for new programmes? Like wtf

[@saharmohammadi4925]

I just can't understand why he was sleeping with them in the same bed. Wrong wrong wrong. He destroyed himself even if he hadn't done anything to them. Sleeping with kids in the same bed.

[@sarinachi3724]

It's a big deal nowadays about kids being bullied at school. But the media has been bullying Michael for his entire life. Michael was proved not guilty by court. If this is not enough, then everyone can just start accusing anybody on anything. This is not freedom of speech, this is serious bullying.

[@ColRusSer]

Ok, I’ve never heard these guys before. I admire your honesty, and you’re really funny, even while being respectful to the serious issue!😄

[@mikewill7013]

Drinking my coffee n watching this having a great day

[@sussh9635]

🎤I can see clearly now, the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind It's gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright) Sun-Shiny day. Johnny Nash Original Bob Marley Cover Jimmy Cliff Cover

[@mikewill7013]

Suss H love that comment

[@Lpaul903]

No cap

[@sussh9635]

@@mikewill7013 Interesting how the brain works. After reading your comment that song popped up in my head. ☺️

[@crissyledbetter6270]

Why do people think it's sooooo weird to keep kids around, honestly I have the kids from next door at my house all the damn time but yet michael jackson was weird?

[@buhlengcibi6979]

Do you sleep with them in the same bed?😂

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Do you have your own kids they hang out with though?

[@darrellanderson4022]

“His hometown is neverland”- rors 😭😭😭😭😭 that’s funny af

[@mosesafonso5730]

Yo joe come to Boston son... is it your podcast or you performing music? Anyone know bout his tour can let me know..... thanks

[@baritone90]

“John Legend got a nasty walk” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💦

[@jsmc84]

How do you know when it's bedtime at the Neverland Ranch ? When the big hand touches the little hand

[@thebuildabeargroup1211]

Lot of naps at Neverland ranch then.

[@o0oStillWeRiseo0o]

lol

[@yvesjeanpttrsn8387]

YEERRRR, can we get that link though? Gotta see the Budden hiss comp.

[@auggiedoggie4968]

One thing i always found strange is that no adult woman has ever claimed to have a relationship with Michael. Even his marriage to Lisa Marie seemed like a scam. Sure he went on dates with Brooke Shields, Madonna...but never a tell all "normal" adult relationship.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

He didn't seem to want to have sex with women, even though Lisa Marie said they did. However, when she refused to have kids he dropped her like a hot potato.

[@gwenvaughn7394]

And that was not a document that was straight porn one sided a dam movie.STOP! Made to make you to believe that one sided story.

[@Zikk0_o]

Sorry, grown men don't have slumber parties with young boys. Replace the name MJ with any average person and you know exactly what you and everybody else would be thinking.

[@Saintbunny666]

I like the art in the background (:

[@SidB8]

I gained respect for Mal.

[@JordanNMusic]

I feel Joe on how people are canceling a dead man 😂

[@mittao86]

Since Sundance and HBO are more interested in salacious fabrications than actual journalism, let me do it for them. This all started in 1993. There was an attempt by Evan Chandler to procure funds from Michael Jackson to pursue his career dreams. When Michael did not comply, Evan threatened to accuse him of molesting his son. Michael still did not comply. Evan seeks out a private attorney and makes the accusation that Michael molested his son publicly. He is on tape stating such things as “If I go through with this I win big time. I will get everything I want. It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want.” His son, Jordan, who lives with his mother, repeatedly denies being molested. However, when he goes on visitation to stay with his father, he changes his story and “admits” he was molested. The police open an investigation. They search Michael’s home as well as his entire body. They boy’s description does not match. The boy says Michael is circumcised, we know from his autopsy that he was not. The police convened two separate grand juries to press charges, but both refused due to lack of evidence. Meanwhile, the civil case is proceeding, and Michael is required to give a deposition. But the district attorney refuses to close the criminal case. So, Michael must either give a deposition and allow the district attorney to try to build a case around his deposition or he must settle. This takes his right to a fair trial away. For example, if he gives an alibi, they can change the dates. This happened in 2003, they changed the dates once they found out on TV that Michael had an airtight alibi. Back to 1993, from what I understand, Michael didn’t even pay the settlement, his insurance company did. Michael had numerous lawsuits that he was dealing with constantly and the overwhelming majority were settled for practical reasons, this was nothing new. Not long after all of this, Jordan Chandler filed for emancipation from his parents, and I have to say, I can’t blame him. And, oh, by the way, the lawsuit did not stop anyone from continuing the criminal investigation, but I suppose since Evan got his money and Jordan wanted emancipation from his parents, no one cared about the criminal pursuit any longer. Move forward to 2003. Michael appears in a highly slanted documentary made by Bashir where he, at Bashir’s urging, invites a prior cancer victim that he helped up to Neverland for the interview. In the interview, the boy says he and his brother slept in Michael’s bed and Michael and another adult friend of Michael’s on the floor. Media started speculating non-stop on TV that Michael was molesting this child. Both the police and child services begin an investigation. The media is hounding the boy’s family so Michael invites them to stay at a guest house in Neverland for a couple weeks until the media frenzy dies down. The district attorney (same one as from 1993) is out for blood. But he has a problem. For anyone who watches the full, unedited version of this interview and the way they were praising Michael, it would be very hard to believe this boy was molested. So, the story they go to court with as that the molestation occurred after, when the family went back to Neverland. That’s right, Michael has known this child for three years, never molested him, but the police want you to believe that at the height of the world speculating every day on TV that he is molesting this child, in the middle of a police and child services investigation, he suddenly has a realization that he wants to start molesting this child. And then there is the credibility of the witnesses, who previously sewed JC Penny for sexual harassment, who committed welfare fraud, who pursued numerous celebrities for funds, who held fund raisers to pay for medical expenses when they already had insurance, etc. And on the witness stand repeatedly contradicted themselves and each other. And when Jackson’s attorney asked the accuser why he was so angry at Michael Jackson his response was “because he stopped returning our calls and spending time with us”. NOT “because he molested me”. The list of absurdities that was this case just goes on and on and on. The only reason it got past a grand jury is because the public had at this point been brain washed for 10 years by the media into believing that Michael Jackson is a child molester. Move forward to a few years after Michael’s passing (RIP). Wade Robson is involved in various tribute shows to MJ, continues to praise him in the press, and before he passed, continued to occasionally spend time with Michael. During the 2005 trial, he, among others, testified that Michael never touched them. They were witnesses called by the defense. He was not asked questions like “were you molested”, he was asked very specific questions like “did he touch you here”. His answer to every question was NO. A few years after Michael’s death he petitions the Estate to allow him to be the lead choreographer of the Michael Jackson Cirque Du Soleil show. That’s right, he wants to work every day and night, for years, travelling around the world choreographing a tribute to Michael. He even tells the press he got the job. But the Estate decided to give the job to someone else. Once a choreographer for acts like Britney Spears, his career appears to be on the skids. So, what does he do? He sues Michael Jackson’s estate for child molestation. His lawsuit is thrown out of court. So, what does he do then? Approaches HBO and Sundance to give him airtime to share his “story”. The biggest issue the public seems to have with all of these Michael Jackson allegations is that he spent time with kids and even shared his bed with kids. But the public needs to one) understand that this is not a crime and not what he was accused of and two) take into consideration his background. Michael grew up with many brothers and sisters, often sharing his bed, both at home and on the road with his older brothers, who to him, at that time, would have been adults. Most of his time was spent around adults. Most of his friends were adults. When he was finally able to get out on his own and have some freedom, he wanted to spend time experiencing the things he never really had an opportunity to do, amusement parks, video games, sleep overs, etc. To me, it was more a case of stunted development. But this phase eventually stopped. You can even see in the 2003 Bashir documentary, that even though the kids stayed over, they did not share a bed and there was another adult present. And the kids were the ones that begged to stay over. I’m certain that none of this will be covered in the documentary. No, instead we will get salacious claims from discredited individuals and they and Sundance and HBO will all make their profits at the expense of a man who is no longer here to defend himself. Shame on all of them.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

All are good points. Unfortunately we'll never know the truth.

[@trippuhl4379]

what song is that at the end when Rory says "this is the version they would play on IG live"?

[@coolcatbad4508]

How is it a sickness to want to be close to children. I truly think that Michael felt out of place in the adult world because most of them wanted something from him. With a child there is a certain level of innocents and honesty. He spent a lot of time and money helping sick kids

[@michaeltrapson]

I expected better from Joe...Wade is the biggest liar fam. Mike just loved the vibe of Children. We will never understand MJ cuz we not him. Kids understood Mike. They didn't want nothing from him. No motives..Can't say the same about the adults tho.

[@xKayNee]

@Bobby Dillon Never any little girls? But there were. Look up pics on Never Land. It's just the accusers are dudes. Besides not surprised it was the boys that looked up to him more. I won't straight up say the allegations are false, but from the history of past accusers of MJ, they have all been found out as well as their parents. And normally wouldn't a paedophile would jerk off to underage porn? But all that has ever been found is heterosexual pornography even during surprise raids from the FBI, no traces on his laptop either. The credibility for Wade and James therefore are shaky, and if we were to base the claims on the documentary alone, it is not enough as there are no real facts to back it up. Credit to HBO though for the editing.

[@filthycade2399]

Girls could also accuse mj of molesting, somehow they never did

[@VerityThePixie]

Wade Robson in court before Jackson died said that Jackson did NOT do anything to him. Yet after he dies ad can’t contradict he goes full smear? Okay Wade, you lose YOUR reliability... Michael liked kids around because his own childhood was utterly nonexistent, he wanted to get some of that back. It’s weird, inappropriate, but genuinely understandable. The singer was cleared of charges in life, why now must he be attacked when he is dead and can’t speak for himself? It is one sided, and it is disgusting. You’re right - he was raided, several times, and no evidence was found; just contradicting testimonies.

[@neiljones3007]

Understandable...really he had kids sleeping in his bed, re-frase young boys in his bed

[@VerityThePixie]

Neil Jones rephrase*~ girls and boys. And he slept in a sleeping bag on the floor on most occasions where this happened. Jackson’s pathological desire to regress to a childhood which he personally never experienced as a child himself is indeed strange but I do believe it is understandable.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

But even when you're a child you don't sleep with other kids in the same bed unless they're your siblings/family. How is sleeping with kids in the same room reliving your childhood?

[@AngeliqueASMR]

He (Wade) was dating Brandi Jackson basically the whole the time, which Mike set up cos Wade had a huge crush on her. I highly doubt mike was playing with Wade's dinga ling and he was sleeping with Brandi at the same time. Thats crazy...

[@AurianWarriorOfDarkness]

Truth plus wade cheated on brandi With brittney spears now what does that tell you shows you how kindness is give. And treated by wade thats crazier

[@Mississippi601ist]

It’s crazy how white boy off the camera ain’t tryna hear the fact that Michael Jackson’s house was fucked up... the man was in the spot light since 5 years old.. let that sink in... 5 ppl. I can’t even rap my damn mind around that. I would never wanna be THAT famous for THAT long.

[@eviapugh]

Joe go somewhere and be quiet

[@Capitaljbt]

I kinda lost respect for joe after this.. as soon as he said " I Stand with wade his my guy" I Knew he was gonna be on biased shit again. This documentary made me realise how much more innocent he is, an how cruel the world can be. He was to pure hearted and kind for this world. Yall already humiliated this man enough while he was alive. Let him be. Rest In Power to the King of Music. 💙🌹

[@frenchjones5510]

Joe with the disclaimer is sick 😂😂😂😂😁

[@oadelano_007]

What music 🎵 where you playing on your labtop

[@CynicalPoet92]

This year was starting off well..

[@Bilnation]

Michael Jackson can’t defend himself...

[@danielaberlin]

Bille so what

[@jamesmmu]

Neither can Jimmy Savile

[@cai6972]

@@user-oo3iy3nt1i we're not trying to put his bones in jail, just tryna find the truth

[@passlepaul]

“Mike was tossing Wade ass up” lmao!!!

[@andrewdonoghue9164]

"Joe Budden Ptsssss compilation" if anyone is looking. I do this noise a lot myself lol

[@unapologetictact6458]

Joe mixed up Wade & Jimmy this ENTIRE podcast.

[@KidGreeD14]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nicolephillips4157]

Let the dead rest in peace.

[@bamm86]

People need to be TOLD by whomever or whichever entity they see as the “authority” that something IS or something ISN’T.

[@FUCKTURY]

He said “Don’t do that” to that styling shit😂

[@tricebx718]

Mal is totally wrong . Children keep secrets - especially sexual assault victims.. he’s way off base with that statement

[@muradtalukdar4401]

Would you have let MJ babysit your kids? He was innocent in a legal sense...but I would not have let him look after my kids.

[@shannonk1581]

Preach

[@MarcBurr]

Thats an indictment of the parents not mike

[@muradtalukdar4401]

@@MarcBurr Nope. That's my opinion of MJ. He was a high risk in my eyes. I bet very few of these MJ defenders would have taken the acid test of letting their sons share a bed with MJ. And if Joe Budden had kids, there's no way he would have let that happen either.

[@MarcBurr]

@@muradtalukdar4401 i wouldn't let my kids share a bed with anybody... but if i did i wouldnt turn around and falsely accuse him of molestation because of it lol... thats the difference...

[@alanr225]

Murad Talukdar MIchael shared his bed, meaning he let them sleep on his bed and he would sleep on the floor. There’s like 5 interviews of him sayin the same exact thing. He’d also tell the kids who asked him if he can sleepover to ask their parents. My opinion, I don’t think he molested kids. Yes he “loved” kids. But highly doubt in a sexual way.

[@PrimeArtistTV]

"I'm mad Dead" 🤣😂 ~ Joe Budden

[@bonginkosinkosi8546]

"That's Mike's ex" - I'm dead 😂

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

I agree. Robson does look messed up, not sure it was MJ, but definitely someone.

[@Syklonus]

I deal in facts and evidence. The documentary provided no backup or proof what what was claimed in it. End of story.

[@tanyachatman6053]

Joe jus mad cuz he couldn’t be on a MJ track and ain’t nobody checking for his music..He needs to know facts before accusing someone

[@rawhousellc3172]

Wade fault like Amil when Beyonce stared coming around just when he saw Macaulay Culkin around Mike.

[@WillWokup]

haahhah shit went left AFFF talkin about forming a circle in the club n niggas not dancing no more damn love your podcasts joe the 3 of yall r killing me!

[@WhatSmada]

17:00 he was the key witness of NOTHING happened. He was questioned by person after person before the case!!! There is no way he kept that all a secret

[@LiotaR]

Now that the documentary is debunked and dead what does everyone have to say now ?

[@LiotaR]

Lizzie Allen exactly !

[@jeliroletheearthwalker997]

Mal is the meaning of stupid

[@janetbennett6404]

John Legend does sound like an olden days Law Vegas lounge singer.

[@sherriejenkins2110]

What proof can someone molested at seven provide other than testimony and surprisingly to some most children tell no one should all see can do is look back is the adults behavior around the time suspicious did the seem to be grooming the child did they need to be alone with children ect

[@everything483]

Not when you are a common man but when you are Michael Jackson you should know you been watched under a microscope. So they should have a proof.

[@teniseuna]

Exactly what proof?

[@fuzzyfoods710]

@@teniseuna It's very easy to conceal proof if you have influence over the victim...I think the only proof that is common in cases like this is a child that can be tested for DNA years after

[@momobaby462]

the proof would be the accused from emails, phone records, internet search or something no ones expecting evidence from a 7-yr old

[@fuzzyfoods710]

@@momobaby462 Let's find those emails from 1993 then!

[@cocomamacita365]

James Brown is next

[@dontworrywelltalkitout9625]

Nikki St. Clair it’s already know he beat women for years

[@001lightning1]

Yup he was a scumbag too

[@cocomamacita365]

Please go like 2 of my videos

[@singledaddychronicles5267]

"Do the cypher to pump it up" that comment was hilarious!!!!!!!!!

[@vineetasjourney8017]

I don’t think Michaels need to be around children was sexual in any way. He said animals and children’s innocence is what inspired him.