Kristian's Thoughts on the Michael Jackson Documentary

[@reneenay7006]

It's crystal clear that none of these people did any research. But I'm not gonna judge them because I initially did the same thing until I got called out. After researching I found out that Michael fought, and fought, and FOUGHT not to pay the first accuser because he knew people would accept that as him being guilty. I find out that he was only sued civilly and not criminally. Once the father received his millions, he was good. He had no interest in sending the man who "molested" his son to jail. I learned that after Wade wrote a letter begging for the job of choreographing the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil One show and he was denied, he later sued the estate for 1.6 BILLION dollars. Since he was past his 21st birthday, there was only one loophole that he could use to sue. He had to say he didn't realize at the time that he was being sexually abused. Oh WOW, that's EXACTLY what he's saying, that's what they BOTH are saying. I learned many other things but I'll end it there. Anyone who really wants answers would do their own research. Like my coworker told me when I was being closed minded, making a decision after watching Leaving Neverland and listening to what the media is saying about this man is like being on a jury and going to deliberate after only hearing the prosecuters.

[@Nuggetsin4]

False

[@richardcarte]

@@Nuggetsin4amen

[@BIGSAM-O-A]

Roxy and Macuga are living proof that there will always be a place for tabloids like the National Enquirer. Hopefully we'll see the same energy whenever Bryan Singer and Woody Allen come out with their next projects.

[@nahomaragaw5047]

SAMTHE MANWHOCAN harsh but sadly true

[@jazzyrift1309]

I hope they never serve on jury duty,they convict you with no evidence only gossip!!

[@piotrswat169]

SAMTHE MANWHOCAN fingers crossed

[@Gordoh20]

He dated Brandi Jackson for over 8 years not 1

[@JUSTJOElc]

And that proves what? clutching at straws

[@perfectstorm5085]

Says who? Brandi? LOL!

[@ruddiato]

Not only that ,ten years after the death of Michael Jackson, he pops up with this story. FBI been investigating Michael for years and never once found anything to find him guilty on any cases. Isn't this guy in financial problems

[@toddmichaeljohnson7139]

Who cares?

[@artissins]

These people are a serious bunch of low iq types who lack common sense. Well dummies if he's dating someone for 8 years then his timeline and story don't match.

[@KevinJXT38]

MAN I’ve really lost touch of how immensely dense human beings can be that emotional propaganda can fix one’s ability to rationalize things completely void of full context and intellectual consistency. Such charlatans you folks are to be so moved by a mini series that has SHIT to offer to the hardcore evidence BUT dramatic anecdotal fervor accompanied by minor tone piano music and some drone shots. Pitiful!

[@williamkid55]

Roxy walked out of a bar because they were playing Michael Jackson music. Man, it must be tough being so sensitive, the bar owners probably had no fucking idea that it would be that big of a deal to play MUSIC.

[@midlevelmedia]

Can I come?

[@roblestito93]

At least she didn't start a scene and forcibly asked the bar owner to stop the music and never play Michael Jackson music again. It was fine for her to leave, and who gives a shit if she's offended by it, let her be.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

bob93 right! She’s not allowed to leave? She didn’t start a scene or anything but ironically the original poster is acting sensitive over her walking out of a bar

[@TimeIdle]

It's a personal decision. She didn't leave to protest the DJ. Probably just didn't want to feel uncomfortable having to be subjected to MJ's heeheeing and hawing, now that she knows what he was about.

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

They were probably glad because they didn't have to hear her talking any longer.

[@marcus_brown95]

I'm not trying to be negative but Roxy saying a documentary is proof is absolutely wrong and mind boggling. All love, keep on keeping on.

[@micmorgan84]

Marcus Brown yeah someone saying “this person did this” is not proof, if it is then Jeff bezos owes my 1.5 billion because Amazon was my idea. Let’s see if that’ll hold up in court.

[@SerferTJ]

Marcus Brown I mean cmon man, is that what you took from this WHOLE conversation? She even said she might not be using the right word. The point is that there is a lot of credible claims and oddities there that makes her believe the alleged victims.

[@marcus_brown95]

@@SerferTJ No, that's not all I took. That's what stuck out. There's no excuses to be had, she said how she felt and I called bs by what determined that. I'm not some troll that just skims through and attacks. My comment came out of respect for Roxy and her comment. It had nothing to do with Harloff's take which was the point of the video. I absolutely understand her view but not that statement when it comes to evidence.

[@brandoncarrera872]

Well even if she said that, your statement is basically demeaning the purpose of the R Kelly documentary.

[@fetB]

SerferTJ the word would be 'not proof'. Anything else is still the wrong word

[@Berny1871]

Guilty or innocent, MJ did a remarkable job in grooming the world to think that his unhealthy obsession with children was A-OK.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

I wonder if he was doing that consciously or it was all just a part of some mental disorder.

[@bestofjoy]

So many errors here. Get your facts straight before you talk about something. It's called investigative journalism

[@TearsoftheAeon]

you deserve a medal!!!

[@fetB]

nah, a docu, from people who tried to make money off of Jackson for decades, is proof enough

[@tomlazorik4284]

👏👏👏👏

[@toshla4871]

I know! I was screaming at the screen from all of the misinformation they were spewing

[@Boowl29]

Like?

[@braxill]

It wasn't a year it was 7 years dude. Get your facts straight. Not even a big MJ fan but why is everyone misinforming people on facts. Im starting to believe this is a personal attack on this mans innocence.

[@midlevelmedia]

Win a goldfish here!

[@gollum475dejong3]

Dude Michael Jackson hang arount with Kids so mush. That i think its treu that hé did rape Kids.

[@braxill]

@@gollum475dejong3 that does not make him a pedo it just means he hang around kids. Weird, yes, creepy, yes, pedo is a stretch

[@gollum475dejong3]

@@braxill if you look at his past its clear that hé had a difrent perspective on the world. And not a healthty one. And like kristin said in the video. Hé hold a baby outside a balcony. That proves hé was not alricht in his head.

[@braxill]

@@gollum475dejong3 true but doesn't mean he wasa pedo just a sick guy. And I have done plenty of research on Michael so I am aware of what your saying.

[@npaujbais]

These guys are suing for over a billion dollars! Wade has a website set up for donations! His wife said she wasn't familiar with sexual abuse while the website claimed that she was also a survivor of sexual abuse! Come on! Look up the facts!

[@Ragesauce]

These guys don't want facts, they go by their feelings.

[@michellehawkins1027]

Do fact checking?? Well now you're just being silly.

[@bolaxa91]

just because you want money..doesnt mean the crime didnt happen...it just shows what type a person you are

[@dismissedspy4415]

Where does it say she Wade's wife was sexually abused as well on the website?

[@michellehawkins1027]

@@dismissedspy4415 It had said it before but when people brought up the fact of what she said in the doc.,It all of a sudden was taken off the website. There are screen shots of it though .

[@rossmiles4592]

They dated for 7 years,why minimize those years,these dudes are evil,and sick.

[@SuperGymmie]

What dies him dating her have to do with Michael abusing him? It's not relevant at all.

[@karina9127]

I dont think they know the details of that

[@rossmiles4592]

@@karina9127 no one knows the details,but the movie already states that as part of Mike's grooming,he separated the boys from any female contact and told them females we're evil,

[@alimohamed8469]

@@SuperGymmie Wdym it's irrelevant it's extremely relevant to exposing wades lies. He literally said Micheal taught him to hate females yet it was Michael that set up a 8 year relationship with his own niece.

[@giftedimagesllc]

Aye.....Imma need y'all to factcheck your material before going on air in the future.

[@mania4270]

MJ niece actually did get interviewed and she called this all BS.

[@Judipops13]

She's been rolled out by the Jackson Estate - they're desperate. They just keep rolling em out spewing shit. It's laughable.

[@josephmora5230]

@@Judipops13 None of the Jackson's are connected or run by the family, its runned by SONY.

[@DrunkAtheist]

LaToya called him a pedophile 25 years ago yet no one listened.

[@ItsDesm]

Michael Jackson's sister said it isn't B.S. Shes closer family.

[@KidGreeD14]

@@Judipops13 except the Jackson estate doesn't include the entire family. It only includes his mom and kids. So it's insane to think they'll get money out of this or just doing this keep their money safe.

[@13June2005]

Really disturbing the complete lack of research. No kids porn found.

[@RoddZ4]

I'm not trying to defend MJ, but why are you guys thinking that people cant come up with these stories,no matter how much details still could be made up

[@cornboy7587]

Shit they didn't even make up some of it, a lot of their stories are excerpts from a book called "Michael Jackson Was My Lover, The Secret Diary Of Jordie Chandler" and it was written by a guy named Victor Gutierrez who is a known NAMBLA member and was sued by MJ for decimation and MJ won the case. He has involvement with LN, so there's also that.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

​@@cornboy7587 That's a possibility. They could have easily read those stories and rehearsed. After all this is a documentary.

[@jasoncreedfilms]

An additional note to this conversation is that Michael Jackson was surrounded by "Yes" men and women. Like he told that mother, he gets what he wants. When you feel like you have that much power, the social contract (meaning how normal people behave, etc.) is thrown out the window.

[@BarbaPamino]

He was also surrounded by a mass media that casted him as a weirdo and suspected pedophile. This isn't like Cosby where no one suspected anything until recent years. Michael was suspected of something very off since Bad came out and he showed up with white skin. Then he builds the ranch and has kids over and the world thinks it's weird.

[@eponaalbion]

@@BarbaPamino MJ annoyed the elites, this is when the media started the fake news of MJ being a 'weirdo, MJ owned most of Sonys catalog, they were not happy about that also!

[@freakyboo4811]

@@eponaalbion Believe the evidence of your own eyes. That Michael was weird was not "fake news" - just look at his face; his admission of enjoying sleeping with pre-pubescent boys; his ranch that one investigator called a "pedophile heaven." Where is the fake news?

[@eponaalbion]

@@freakyboo4811 These children have been proven LIARS years ago, ignore them!

[@timdivine]

He did get what he wanted..sadly

[@tyewill1292]

Watch 60 minutes interview from 2003 ,Michael literally defends himself.

[@aspiknf]

Wacko Jacko is a liar.

[@Wimpywoo16]

@@aspiknf "Wacko Jacko" is a racist term.

[@roshieifra]

I had a friend who was in a sexual relationship with a 50+ year old person when they were 13. To this day they say it wasn't abuse, 32 years later. It's a self preservation thing. The victims cannot admit to themselves that they were abused, they're not going to admit to someone else. Especially when the abusers know exactly how to manipulate the children, make the children think they're special, make the children think they'll get in trouble if they admit to it, make the children think they'll be taken away from their parents, etc. The low income abusers have so many ways to keep the victims silent, can you imagine a filthy rich (filthy being the operative word) abuser? They could get away with anything. I'm not saying you have to believe the victims, I definitely do, but you don't have to. But at least admit NO ONE knows for sure, and it's possible.

[@jiminiscutiepiebtsarmycant2969]

Just this other beacuse i think that her or his sexual abuser did not stand up on court & did not defended her or his abuser NEVER JUST A QUESTION IF WADE WAS ABUSED BY MJ THEN WHY HIS MOTHER TOLD IN 2016 THAT SHE TOOK AWAY HER SOON TO GRAND CANYON AND IN LN WHY DID TOLD THAT SHE DID NOT TOOK AWAY

[@elberno4243]

Cluelessly inaccurate

[@Troy6228]

Yeah, you can tell these guys have done zero research into the countervailing evidence.

[@Troy6228]

@Richard Carte Sure, it's questionable...even bad judgment if not simply because of what people will and/or have said about him and the inevitable law-suites to come...even if it's completely innocent...which I believe it was. However the narrative that he only slept in bed with boys individually is false. He said on multiple occasions that he allowed children to sleep in his ROOM (which was the size of a duplex) and he SHARED his bed with them...He said (and this was confirmed by witnesses and some of the parents.) That he slept on the floor in a sleeping bag in most cases. ...and on the occasions when he did LAY in bed with the kids, there were always MULTIPLE kids...male AND female, who were present. That doesn't excuse the bad judgment but it does put it into context.

[@Troy6228]

@Richard Carte Here we go...another dufus who's done zero research acting as though he's making a logical argument when really, he just wants to slam Jackson based on accusations, tabloids, rumors and a mockumentary with pretty drone shots, dreary lights, ominous music and salacious details. YOU seem to have been the one taken in by the show. Some of the children WERE his family members, moron. His niece and nephew already attested to that. Not to mention some of the people in the room were the kid's parents! Also, I already said it was bad judgment. No one here has ever said it was a good idea to even have kids play games or sleep in his room. I just don't think he saw it as doing anything wrong because he knew his intentions were pure and he was naive enough to think that the world would take him at face value when he said as much...because HE WAS INNOCENT!

[@Troy6228]

@Richard Carte Yes...You are correct I used your idiotic words against you. The only thing sick is people like you who are so eager to defame an innocent dead man. Begone! The adults are talking.

[@LynnNeder]

Y’all aren’t into research huh? 😂 the first five minutes pissed me off. Do some fact checking before you start talking. Dang.

[@IainWhoCantSleep]

100 percent is weird that the kids were in the bed with him

[@liligh]

Have you seen Mj's bed? its not your little average double bed. If the huge screen is in front of it, its only natural for all to be on it, munching, or falling asleep.

[@Justforthefifteen]

liligh I wonder if it was your kid sleeping with him you would say the same...

[@liligh]

@@Justforthefifteen I have been a survivor, so I am super careful about where my kid is all the time, but thank you for that genuinely interested prying question that had nothing to do- I m sure with you trying to undermine my opinion that these two douchebags lie. Just a hint... James, said he realized everything in 2013, but his mom in the doc said she 'danced when MJ died because he would not hurt other children, in 2009". I guess time travel is possible ;)

[@Justforthefifteen]

liligh I will have to check it out. But let tell you. Out of the two moms, the one that said she danced, I don’t know man, she doesn’t look that disturbed like the other man. She doesn’t even cry at some point. So she probably says things like she danced just to try to look like she cares. All I am saying, of all the people involved, she’s the one who looks the least honest! In any case man. Why these people would come out with something like this? You have any idea the balls you need to do such a thing?! Let me tell you. I wouldn’t be sleeping! Creating such a lie. There’s so many people saying the same. Form the kids, family, the maid, etc. Why is so hard to believe the guy was a pedophile? Like pedophiles don’t exist? Just because is Michael, then he can’t be? I mean come on!

[@liligh]

@@Justforthefifteen I have no doubt in my mind that the pain we witness in these people is real. But not over sexual abuse. Over feeling rejected, left out, replaced. Over feeling that "once they grew"they did not amount to much. Watch the doc carefully. Its all edited, the backgrounds change, so the emotional "moment" is in fact, scripted, not genuine. Watch Wade's testimony how he was "touched" from the first night, which is highly unlikely and contradictory of all the "grooming" allegations. And so many things that dont add up, but those are enough. As for your questions, I am not a fan of MJ . For me, this was not real because they sued the estate years ago and the judge dropped the cases as non valid 2 times. They have the same attorney. Wade tried to get a "tell all book" right after he was fired from the show of MJ for being inconsistent. These are kids who peaked at 12, who struggle for money and who feel anger and entitlement towards someone who showed them a life that could never be theirs. There is no doubt in my mind. I MJ was a pedophile, I do not know, but this "documentary" that ommits so many facts is not evidence that he is.FBI files that can be found easily and read, show that there was never anything that incriminates him, over a secret investigation of a year and 2 raids. So this is why I criticize this garbage that passes for a documentary. Its as if the National enquirer wanted to pass for National Geographic. it aint so just because you say so. You need to prove it. :)

[@borgsyndobe3225]

Interesting how Oprah deleted all her tweets and KZbin videos about the documentary and her interview with the 'victims'.🤔

[@mariaathena7910]

Proof?

[@borgsyndobe3225]

@@mariaathena7910 Don't know. Just seem odd Ophra would, all of a sudden, appear to be distancing herself from the doc after so publicly endorsing it.

[@mariaathena7910]

@@borgsyndobe3225 hey, dumb, proof?

[@borgsyndobe3225]

@@mariaathena7910 proof of what dear?

[@LaciousC]

Because people like you were herrassing her and she was sick of it?

[@dr.christopherdiaz4473]

OJ was married to Marguerite and never killed her, so there is no way he killed Nicole.

[@marleneg7794]

Hu?

[@dr.christopherdiaz4473]

@@theFCAP yup...that piss could've been digital.

[@KissofHeaven3]

He didn't kill Nicole even the glove didn't fit. Ron Goldman boyfriend was murdered too weeks later that was a drug deal gone wrong. But the mainstream media took it out of the news. Everyone knew he was gay and was not dating Nicole

[@adamw116]

@@marleneg7794 I think you mean, huh.

[@dr.christopherdiaz4473]

@@KissofHeaven3 This is a juicy theory I have never heard. Can you share some links or videos? I gotta dig into this one.

[@chelseasavage3579]

Michael was in the middle of the Dangerous tour when the civil lawsuit came out with the so called "big payday" with the first accuser. it wasn't a criminal case and just a civil suit. but he couldn't risk his reputation and time with cancelling the tour. MJ has said he regrets paying them any money but he was advised to do so....so he doesn't disappoint his fans.

[@BaseDaKIDTheHARDCORECasual]

Michael only paid the civil suit money to put it on hold as he was being depoed in criminal case and didn't want the lawyers of the civil case to be able to alter their evidence against him. They could have proceeded with their case afterwards but took the money and agreed to a clause in the settlement that said 'Michael did nothing wrong'. If he was guilty, who's agreeing to a clause like that? They simply took the money and ran.

[@chelseasavage3579]

@@BaseDaKIDTheHARDCORECasual Yep

[@jasonmarktemple]

Dude...they are actors. That’s exactly what they are. It’s their job! Ty also have the same lawyer.

[@Artije]

I take it you havent seen the documentary

[@jasonmarktemple]

The guy in this video says something like "it's not like they are actors or anything" - I'm just saying...they are actors.

[@michellehawkins1027]

True they were in commercials, tv show spots etc.

[@kidvanderboos4845]

@@Artije I saw the whole thing and still 95% sure he is innocent. Sorry

[@discoslick9709]

Safechuck's mom is not an actor. Robson's mom, grandmother, brother and sister are not actors. So you MJ fans are saying they're all acting for the camera. Wade's brother and sister's tears being faked for the camera. Wow. Ok. Do you also defend MJ dangling his baby over a balcony? What's your take on that brilliant moment by him? He was inspired by The Lion King. Right?

[@BaseDaKIDTheHARDCORECasual]

I like that Kristian is at least questioning the doc unlike Josh last week. But there was no book of child pornography. It was a storybook that had children depicted in it but no children were naked. There were so many contradictions in the documentary. It was filmed to be emotionally manipulating. Also Kristian, Michael NEVER paid anyone settlement money to drop their lawsuit. He paid for the civil suit to be put on hold while the criminal trial was going ahead so the lawyers for the civil suit couldn't sit in the criminal trial and use the evidence provided to change the dates for their suit. They still could have proceeded with criminal charges later on but decided to drop the case after payment. And when they photographed Michael's penis, it DID NOT match what the description of the what the child said. Yes, as a big MJ fan even I admit he was weird and had a lot of questionable behaviour but these 2 men are definitely fraudsters attempting to gain financial freedom off the back of this horrible situation.

[@roblestito93]

do you have any sources of which you've garnered this information from?

[@randomfools808]

@@roblestito93 Rageaholic put out 3 rebuttals that go into all of this.

[@Nuggetsin4]

@@randomfools808 lmao 😂

[@emperorsean1]

All this was settled in court and the kids admitted they were lying under oath. There was no settlement. Funny that these parents let their kids go to a rich person's house and when the parents reported this they ran for the hills. They never once reported this to the cops. They went straight to the talk shows, media a suing.

[@CatHarlem]

I can’t say I believe these guys. However, I believe Michael is guilty of consistently putting himself in a position to be questioned about his motives and action.

[@juju-vl7oj]

@@xxsilentreatmentxx that's the problem with this debate. It's guilty until proven guilty for most people. All the evidence most people need is 1. He looked weird 2. He hung out with children. 3. He said sharing a bed with children is ok. People shutoff the to the actual individual claims through, logic that doesn't add up and major timeline issues. If you're even the slightest bit open to a non guilty until proven guilty verdict, KZbin search Charles Thompson on Michael Jackson. And or research one his articles. The court documents are available to the public and he uses citations to back his claims. You can believe what you want about what happened behind closed doors, but if you read the court documents it is obvious that at least every public accusser is lying.

[@scottiejordan1064]

@@xxsilentreatmentxxComon man go listen to Thriller again , Not Bad, Thriller and come back and tell me what u think then !!!

[@savagekingx1321]

Thats true, Taj Jackson really said the truth when he said MJ was too naive

[@GRehillMusic]

Change Michael Jacksons name to some average Joe. Your opinion change?

[@savagekingx1321]

No it wouldnt cuz there has to be evidence

[@MarkHogan994]

I love Michael Jackson's music. Always will. I will never stop listening to the King of Pop. But that doesn't give me or any other fans of his work a free pass to say the accusers are lying. They might be telling the truth. Pedophilia is a sickness. MJ made awesome music. Doesn't mean he can't have been sick. He may very well have been. People can have wonderful traits and horrific attributes all at once. MJ may have seemed like a nice person, and maybe he was, but he also could have been sick.

[@sambeshalom879]

Mark Hogan I doubt it fbi didn’t find anything also he was accused by some other kid who lied after mj died the kids father committed suicide because of guilt

[@gohanson27]

It can't be true lol. That's the problem. People thinks its an opinion but its not just facts he didn't do it

[@gohanson27]

@TotheK I N G D O M 100% agree with you. Also, thank you for your services bro.

[@8-bitsmike217]

Amen I aggree.

[@roshieifra]

That's what I don't understand. People insist one way or the other. Honestly, I don't know what's the truth, but I side with the victims. I'm not saying it's what happened, but if I had to state my opinion based on mj's behavior and what these men are saying, well I think he did it. But I could be wrong. Unfortunately, we will probably never know for sure. But you have to at least admit it is a possibility. Especially since abusers are so good at covering their tracks. Hell, friends & family members are the ones most often to commit these crimes, and it can happen for years with no one knowing. What might make it harder for abusers to hide are cases like this being so open. People giving the victims at least the benefit of listening to their claims without immediately calling them liars bc the accused abuser was a celebrity.

[@musicforears5024]

It's interesting how James Gunn tweeted some awfully bad taste jokes some years ago and people cried pedophile and Michael Jackson gets actual pedophilia accusations on 3 separate occasions and people cry innocent.

[@paigeturner1039]

This.

[@tzezukokoneko8942]

if you think those two things are remotely related then I feel bad for you

[@cornboy7587]

@@tzezukokoneko8942 *T h i s*

[@somedude9528]

+musicforears Well, Michael Jackson was likely innocent. People have done the research, and have come to that conclusion.

[@ThatisnotHair]

Unlike the others, Michael Jackson went through trial and proven innocent.

[@oooSKYLIGHTooo]

Check out Razorfists KZbin rebuttle of the documentary.

[@Judipops13]

He's as bonkers as Alex Jones - even talks like him

[@theanalyzer3172]

@@Judipops13 He gets into character, check out a video where he talks about why Clinton lost and all that, and he takes of shades and speaks normally and shows the real person behind the character.

[@randomfools808]

@@Judipops13 Okay than watch Michael Jackson: A Case For Innocence which was filmed by the same guy hired by the court to film Neverland for the jury in the 2005 trial. You get to see it really well and what a mess it was inside. At least look at the other side man. I have no idea what really happened but the 2005 trial alone was really suspect. People will do a lot for money.

[@randomfools808]

@@Judipops13 Razorfist is loud but he's not wrong about those trials. A Case For Innocence does not feature anyone like that and was just put up a few days ago after Leaving Neverland blew up.

[@paulbryden4006]

@@randomfools808 Totally agree Razofist is a heavy metal character hence the delivery style But what he has to say on all this is a must watch in reply to leaving Nederland so really ask folks to watch his 3 part reply.

[@robertvarley8740]

People that say "He was found innocent in a court of law" are deluded. Because the justice system isn't flawed? People don't get away with things like this all the time?

[@MarkHogan994]

The point is that you can't treat someone as if they're guilty if they weren't convicted. Yes the justice system is flawed, but most of the time, it works. Most convictions are right. So are most acquittals. Massive judicial errors are the exception, not the rule. They seem more prevalent than they are because we mostly talk about the justice system when it fails, not when it works the way it's supposed to.

[@MarkHogan994]

Btw I'm not saying MJ is innocent. I have no idea, but I'm actually inclined to think he isn't. I'm just explaining why the argument about people being found not guilty in a court of law does have legitimacy and usually makes sense.

[@jimmyrustles358]

Read up on the case brother. It is a joke. The prosecution had literally nothing and every witness they brought forward just made MJ’s defence even stronger. There was no error at all.

[@tomlazorik4284]

There were at least 10 years worth of FBI investigations that found nothing to incriminate him with. But we’re all smarter than the FBI because we watched a “documentary.” 🙄

[@cheekyboy5000]

OJ was found innocent.

[@babyygurl1992]

I do not believe these liars at all Michael was innocent.

[@kidvanderboos4845]

Their stories are NOT airtight.. do your research kids.

[@maryroche4467]

You don't sleep with kids and you don't bring them into your house without their parents.. so why would he do that. Now don't say he was a man child. Because that's just a cover up. He was a business man that made lots of billions. A child can't do that and he got to the top .by walking on top of others.. using them to his own advantage. Nothing childish about that.. he was not childish. But much clever then the people who support him

[@BentzensEmporium]

You clearly didn't look deep enough if you still think it's true. Lied under oath when he sued the estate.

[@ivanaravanelli1508]

He explained clearly way come on ...

[@maryroche4467]

Many boys came forward. not just two.. just because evin.. didn't care about his son. Doesn't say that them all are lying.. and Michael payed those parents more than once.. so guilty

[@lazyeclipse00]

It’s funny watching people who don’t understand trauma predict how people who experience trauma acts as adults

[@selemawit9411]

Seriously!! I’m a therapist and their response to trauma and life choices make a lot of sense to me.

[@lazyeclipse00]

@@selemawit9411 so I’m also a therapist, been in mental health for over a decade, I say that to say we should be careful in using our occupations in a non-legal / unprofessional opinion to make a point. Chris saying “ you’d have to be evil” to explain why these two men wouldn’t make this up and dismiss contradictory evidence really speaks to the lens they are viewing this through. Have you worked with children survivors sexual abuse and sex trafficking? I assume you have , have you every dealt with acting out and false accusations. This also perpetuating some seriously dangerous stereotypes of abuse survivors. They also made up the child pornography found statement , it was art They also discuss settlement = guilty , that was ludicrous as many celebrities/ wealthy individuals settle cases. I gotta say , I hope you are more critical in your practice and if you testify as an expert.

[@lazyeclipse00]

Also the level of projection in listening to this discussion again is very clear

[@mindfield9]

Brandi Jackson and Wade Robson had a relationship for about 8 years. Brandi Jackson is a niece of Michael Jackson. They where both 12 years old when the relationship began. Do you know who brought them together?? Uncle Michael Jackson! When they where about 20 years old Brandi found out that Wade cheated on her with multiple woman who he hoped would advance his career. One of those woman was Britney Spears. Britney had a relationship with Justin Timberlake at the time and Wade Robson still had an relationship with Brandi Jackson. Brandi said: "Wade is not the victim, he is an opportunist! Wade, you constanly talked about wanting to be "relevant". You've burned so many bridges now the only time you are relevant is when you headline with my family's name next to yours. It's time to stop these lies and live your own life."

[@stevetesta6911]

people keep talking about Wade. What about the other guy? If you watched the doc you would see how broken he is. If that guy is lying then he needs an Oscar rn.

[@BuffaloBlack]

@@stevetesta6911 He's just a better actor. Same lies taken from the same story. It's really not that hard to research.

[@ianleex6874]

Not to mention the inconsistencies with the story that Wade shared about how Michael drove him away with relationships with females when Michael was the one that set them up in the first place

[@midlevelmedia]

Nine?

[@Alec_Collins78]

Irrelevant.

[@pauljosse]

OMG ur arguments are so stupid u guys are making all these accusations those three would fail a lie detector.

[@nivekian]

I really don't get how people are in denial about Jackson.

[@Sam-jx8tv]

I know. The dude slept with kids and built a place called Neverland. Come on.

[@KidGreeD14]

@@jazzyrift1309 I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[@KidGreeD14]

@@Sam-jx8tv no just no That's like saying guy who was arrested for murder also worked movie with killers.

[@jazzyrift1309]

@@KidGreeD14 dead cant defend itself,simple.

[@Stevo1992_]

Exactly!! I mean there's grooming and then theres building a theme park out your back.....

[@maryroche4467]

Kids in adults bed . guilty.. he had no business with those boys in his bed.. shameful behaviour

[@valeryh3364]

Those guys don't know anything what a hell they're saying, they just assuming things and opinions what they feel, sick evils!!

[@ryandavis482]

Ik they made 3 vids on this topic and they don't know the facts

[@maryroche4467]

Cunning and sneaky is why he got to stardom.. fooled alot of people..a master at manipulation.. stole others work to make it his own.. cold hearted person.. bulldoze his way through life. no care about anyone other than himself

[@rubenperez7089]

What exactly do the two guys in the doc have to gain by lying?

[@Sam-jx8tv]

I know. They aren't even being paid for the documentary haha.

[@randomfools808]

Over a billion dollars. Thats how much the original lawsuit was for.

[@KidGreeD14]

@@Sam-jx8tv @ruben perez they gain so much out of this like money and fame. Think about it or rewatch the documentary,did they provide evidence that can be used in court. Everyone is quick to say they lost the case because it was too late. But if you were in jury and all you heard Mike did this. But you didn't see proof of anything,would you convict?

[@QTCutes]

Book deals which can give them a lot of money.

[@exoxoe7128]

They are making bank off doing interviews. Don't be fooled.

[@simonlealbarria6550]

I have been a MJ fan since childhood, so Leaving Neverland was obviously hard to watch. After seeing both parts of the documentary, I felt both accusers sounded sincere. And that is the point: I only "feel", so I'll try to think a bit. First, one has to admit that MJ was a very weird man, who suffered from what could be called an "unhealthy obsession with children". He was willing to do whatever he wanted, with no regard to the effects his behavior might have on his "little buddies", their families and on his own career (which he himself ruined). An adult sleeping with young boys (and occasionally girls) should at least make us rise an eyebrow. On the other hand, MJ was heavily investigated by the police (even FBI) for a lot of time. If he was such a big predator, it surprises me how little they found (e.g. no child porn). I should also expect more (reliable) testimonies of people against him (and less in favor), because so far we only have the 1993 allegations (which MJ did settle , and I agree it wasn't a "wise" decision), the 2005 trial (with MJ acquitted) and these two accusers. Third, I understand that people might be outraged by the stories told during the documentary. And they are only that: stories. That is enough to make you want to investigate, surely. But this was a one-sided (and even emotionally manipulative) documentary, with nothing remotely close to a cross examination as the one they would have faced inside a court of law. Fourth, there is the credibility issue. Considering it has been a lot of time since the alleged sexual abuses took place, our only evidence is people's word, so credibiliity is very, very important. Robson testified during the 2005 trial in favor of MJ. Everyone who witnessed his testimony says he was very articulate and adamant in saying that nothing happened. He repeated those claims after Jackson's death. It is normal for sexual abuse victims not to tell their stories for years, fair enough. But Robson withstood Sneddon's fierce cross examination, so if he was not telling the truth, he is a very good liar. But he could be lying now. So either way, Robson is a great liar and so it is hard for me not to dismiss his testimony. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about Safechuck, so I tend give more credit to his story. And that is all there is.... To my standard of proof, there is very little to make up my mind. The testimonies (especially Safechuck's) seemed reliable, but I feel hard evidence is lacking. I miss objectivity from both Jackson haters and Jackson apologists. I don't feel comfortable with all the public lynching so tipical of the "me too" era (muting MJ??? Come on people!). And I can't understand the irrational response of almost every MJ fan on the planet either. I consider myself a die-hard fan of Michael Jackson’s music and dancing, and he was an important part of my late childhood and adolescence. It is precisely because of that that I really want to know what happened. A trial would be great, because it would expose hard evidence, cross examine the accusers and test their stories, and it would really help me to put my biases aside and get closer to the truth, even if it is not what I want it to be... :(

[@matthewburns9911]

I've always wondered why lie detectors aren't used. Maybe I've been watching to much Jeremy Kyle Show but the lie detector apparently is more than 80% accurate, or something like that. I understand that a lie detector cannot be taken on it's own but could be a useful tool non the less. Another factor here is the abuse with Robson started apparently in 1990. The court case was in 2005, which is 15 years after the abuse began, and 8 years after it apparently ended. This is a lot of time to think about these things. He must have a really poor family relationship because he felt unable to tell them the truth, apparently. But then who actually accused MJ of the crimes in the first place? The kids were saying he didn't do it, but it seems the parents were saying this in fact wasn't the case? As we all know, adults are very good liers and young kids tend to come out with the truth sooner rather than later. I'm not saying I believe Robson and Safechuck are liers, but if they are now telling the real truth, then it's their own fault for lieing in the first place. If do you keep changing your story people will always become suspicious. The Boy who Cried Wolf springs immediately to mind here.

[@juju-vl7oj]

KZbin search Charles Thompson on Michael Jackson. He is an investigative journalist who has covered the court cases of Robson and Safechuck vs the Jackson estate as well as the 05 Arvizu trial. In his articles he also uses citations. A KZbinr Razorfist also has done excellent research on the subject as well

[@simonlealbarria6550]

@@juju-vl7oj Great! I'll take a look :)

[@MsBabylove11]

I saw a documentary that stated that there seemed to be a possibility that they knew the FBI were coming to search neverland because Michael had a huge amount of dvds/videos in several filled bookcases yet when they arrived, there was a whole bookcase that was empty, does anyone else know if this is true? Would make sense that someone with such money & power could have connections just like the r-Kelly case stated?

[@newblueis]

@@MsBabylove11 2005 he might of had knowledge who knows but I am pretty sure the 1993 raid was pretty sudden. Also I know in one of the raids they found an art book with paintings of naked young boys on a coffee table, if they had knowledge i think they would of got rid of anything like that. You are right though when it is someone with such money and power who knows the connections they might have.

[@ACPtheAudioPhile]

You might want to look up author Victor Guitterez to find Safechuck's story.

[@kidwi2764]

A lot of things these 3 have said is wrong, read some facts then have a podcast.

[@nicholasgreen4010]

True

[@brinhauptmann8133]

Only wrong if you're hung up on the fantasy that Jackson defenders are trying to perpetrate.

[@alexanderhill2004]

It would be really nice to have someone on one of the 15 times you guys have discussed this that would defend him and present the other side. These discussions are as one sided and biased as the documentary.

[@josephmora5230]

Bring Brandi Jackson!!!

[@RishiRamlagan]

Michael Jackson was one of the greatest gifts that God has ever gave to this world. I am not even talking about his talent. I am talking about the unconditional love that he gave to the world and tried to show us to do the same. As all the proof and research you do on him continues to prove his innocence. No wonder he preferred the company of children... No egos, no judgement, a clean heart. Look at what adults do, just look at it... They will spread lies and judge when its only God can do that. Every false accusation against Jackson was formed and created in the mind of an adult. I liked his music and his talent, but I love him more as a HUMAN BEING. Very sad they will crucify an innocent person like this, even after in death. But after all, they also crucified Jesus.

[@armanimartinez8105]

I really wonder how they’d feel if people came out and claimed John Schnep did bad things and everyone assumed he was guilty... how collider would feel about people going guilty until proven innocent. You should just look at both sides and break it down. Can’t half ass anything

[@qtip4747]

Jesus Christ man. Maybe keep off the internet and just listen to your thriller album alone.

[@SerferTJ]

Kylo Robb there’s a huge difference between a comedy writer making jokes on the internet, and a man inviting several children into his bed....

[@SerferTJ]

Armani Martinez they had a very thoughtful and nuanced discussion, and here you go trying to bring this bullshit in here. Burn in hell.

[@veksone77]

Don't lie and say they found kiddie porn ... Because they didn't...

[@MontyQueues]

Officers found life-sized dolls of little boys during the raid, which had been dressed in denim jackets, shorts and trainers and positioned in bizarre poses.

[@natnat5822]

The photos of Micheal's privates didn't prove anything because they didn't match Jordan Chandlers description

[@JennyofOldStones713]

Uhhh, yes they did.

[@bestofjoy]

@@JennyofOldStones713 no they didn't.

[@stellasmithson3836]

Yes they did that's why they paid out.

[@globalcitizenn]

Stella Smithson No they didn't, that's why the boy's lawyer had the photos barred from trial. Do the research.

[@curtisebear1568]

watch both parts! most of the things people have against this is explained in the second part. it's actual frustrating watching movie reviewers review a film they haven't finished.

[@brianjones8432]

It's literally 4 hours of nonstop propaganda and lies..... Everything the clowns behind this documentary have claimed have been debunked 6 ways from Sunday, and all it takes is the smallest amount of research on this to see that the people behind this are in it for the money.

[@curtisebear1568]

so you haven't watched it? @@brianjones8432

[@BIGSAM-O-A]

@@curtisebear1568 I've watched it. And it safe to say Wade Robson is the biggest fraud I've seen this year. Safechuck's stories are told in a way that makes Jussie Smollett's antics believable.

[@brigjay123]

@@curtisebear1568 you are so gullible. How can you base your information on one source??

[@curtisebear1568]

@@brigjay123 multiple kids have come out......with the same story....plus there are creepy ass recordings and letters and well, multiple sources that convince me he did it. sucks, but that's just my opinion.

[@adriansuarez8245]

They can’t listen to MJ music anymore and that’s fine but I hope they keep that same energy with Brian singer X-Men movies and usual suspects once again. FOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheTXKING24]

Exact they still watch the Hollywood pedophile movies with no problem

[@FateTearsStudios]

@@TheTXKING24 It's because they're white dudes. The fact their conversation on this is so one-sided tells you he was already guilty is their minds before this documentary, but so not to get called out on it, they're trying to give off the perception of neutrality. The "I'm a MJ fan!" is the try and true smokescreen to dish out their real agenda

[@raeleefelsman630]

listen to Brandy and Taj Jackson......Plus Robson and Safechuck both have court cases awaiting appeal later in the year !!!!!

[@basquat76]

MJ fans are really quick to do the rounds on new leaving neverland videos. Just swamping the comment section.

[@hpofficcial]

basquat76 they have alerts...

[@7thgate790]

They're trying to bully anyone that sees MJ for what he truly was

[@billynomates7347]

Most normal people just accepted that Micheal was a pedo and moved on.

[@gohanson27]

A lot of people are older than Tou and actuall seen the truth unfold on live TV during his case. It was bigger than Oj. Pedos stick together. Whoever defends James Gunn jokes about sexual activities with kids but then say Mj is guilty needs serious help. Like ate u NUTS? Lol

[@nihilismistheonlyway4680]

Never underestimate the power of denial

[@bobbyybouchee]

The parents basically undressed their kids for Michael Jackson. EDIT: If MJ really did it...

[@thebacons5943]

They did and he did

[@Troy6228]

The Bacons They did and he didn’t.

[@thebacons5943]

Troy Miller think about how little sense your comment makes. Microcosm of his defenders in general

[@coldsilence2]

@@Troy6228 haha, you gotta pick one, dude. This makes me think all his defenders know in their subconscious that he did it. Like when they cry out: "Wade lied in court!" ...soooo, you're all saying he lied when he defended him? lmao

[@Troy6228]

The Bacons That’s because (unlike you) we’ve actually researched the countervailing evidence and see that you’d have to be a believe all victims- moron (or someone who just WANTS him to be guilty) to believe any of these accusations.

[@dr.christopherdiaz4473]

Supporter: I don't believe those liars Detractor: Would you let your kids stay with MJ? Supporter: I wouldn't let my kids stay with ANYBODY. No true Scotsman - 101

[@jonz23m]

Chris Diaz please retake the 101 class.

[@chipputer]

You miss the part where most people who think MJ wasn't a pedophile still think he was weird and call the parents out for trusting him around their kids because that's just flat out bad parenting, regardless of his intentions.

[@Syklonus]

Proof that supports Jackson's innocence: 13 year FBI investigation and a court trial which found him not guilty. Proof that supports Jackson's guilt - None. Even to this day there is nothing. Allegations are not evidence. Hearsay is not evidence. A kid hanging out with an adult is odd but also not unheard of. However, that doesn't automatically mean the child is being abused. We deal in facts and evidence in the real world son. The court transcripts and details of the FBI investigation are available for all to see. What can you provide for me in the way of tangible evidence of his guilt? P.S., I also like how you omitted the fact that the families stayed at Neverland as well. Jog on.

[@timdivine]

@@Syklonus proof that MJ is guilty af. Multiple boys say he abused them.

[@mariaathena7910]

@@Syklonus Nope this has been debunked by FBI website itself, go to hell.

[@mxbravo3108]

One word: Thriller! Best example of life imitating art. The guy transformed himself into the Joker. The question remains: what did he himself go through as a kid?

[@Troy6228]

MX Bravo A lot...but that has nothing to do with his guilt. The man was innocent.

[@20britneyspears]

No the question is did he RAPE INNOCENT CHILDREN?????

[@carolinagonzalezs.]

@Richard Carte Many people sleep with pets and they're not zoophilic.

[@manitb8293]

But how to judge that hard their parents when we see nowadays many people after all still believe michael is inocent. Imagine at that time.

[@lbt782]

FBI DID A 10 YEAR INVESTIGATION. SO THEY CAN KEEP TALKING ALL THIS BUT HE WAS PROVEN INNOCENT. PERIOD ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT FACTS!! BEING WEIRD DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE GUILTY. ACQUITTED!!!

[@Candyman_Young]

"Their stories gotta be airtight.." Their stories weren't airtight at all! What are you talking about?!

[@HotMessMemories1]

Ben Young you believe what you want to believe. Anything to protect your Pedophile hero.

[@TheDarthgrant]

An accusation isn't "proof". No matter how you cut it. If it is true, shame on Michael, but there is no proof and it's too late to bring him to justice. Yes, Michael was "suspect". My question is...why target his music? What good does that do? He's dead and has been dead. His kids are one of the only benefitters of his music (Not that they are "in need" of anything) and they are innocent.

[@TheDarthgrant]

@@theFCAP, nope, that's not proof he molested them, you idiot. "In the court of law", all that proves is that Michael had time to do it. Not that he "did" do it, "genius".

[@natasharayeartis6363]

70 detectives searched neverland, half of those detectives had a personal vendettas against MJ, THEY FIND NOTHING SMH!....

[@randomdude_2000]

how the fck can anyone still defend Michael Jackson, is the world insane??

[@jamalsalih2101]

You're all very justified! This was indeed a very sad, disturbing and devastating film. As a father, the thought of anyone doing something like this to my son makes me sick to my stomach. As a film critic, this film did an effective job sucking me in and getting me emotionally invested! But as a journalist, when my high of emotions wore out and I was able to research these men's allegations objectively, it was humbling to see that these two men's stories are clear fabrications, inconsistent and contradict documented facts. I won't get into any of the debunking, I trust your ability to find the truth. I strongly urge you to research, and I guarantee that you'll be humbled by the facts as well. Every victim deserves a chance to be heard in this fight against sexual predators. It is unfortunate that these two men are taking advantage of this important moment in history to make false allegations, and it is offensive to real sexual abuse survivors. I'm not fussing at anyone who believed these two men, because their stories were very moving and emotionally convincing. Shame on them and shame on the mainstream media for sensationalizing this story for ratings!

[@alphacause]

The people who defend Michael Jackson are more enamored with celebrity than they are with the truth. They are more concerned with the value of their idol, than whether that idol had any moral values. If the same sort of behavior was displayed by a random stranger, these same defenders of Michael Jackson would not be so open and lenient in their assessment of that person. If the people who defend Michael Jackson had a next door neighbor who invited children to sleep in his bed, and these children came forth and all corroborated each other's story with regards to that neighbor's actions, these Michael Jackson devotees would call CPS and the cops immediately.

[@richardkovacs2006]

Have you read the FBI files? The trial scripts? The settlement of 1993? The Victor Gutierrez case? The Robson-Safechuck litigation of the last 5 years?

[@ikexbankai]

How do you know for 100% that it’s true? How? And their word can’t be the answer. Especially when there’s so many lies in the documentary itself

[@gerryowen4200]

These fans need to ask themselves is it ok for a grown man to bring multi boys in his bedroom....and stop there.. there is the answer. If you need to go any further you are condoning child abuse.

[@alphacause]

@@gerryowen4200 Exactly! Even if it could be proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that no intercourse of any kind took place, it is still inappropriate and should be considered criminal for a grown strange man/woman to ask children to sleep in their bed. If a person were to brandish a gun and start point it at people, the cops still should treat that person as a threat, even if they don't pull the trigger. The same should be said of men and women who request children of other people to sleep in their bed. The threat of something far more grave happening is far too serious to not be taken seriously.

[@ikexbankai]

gerry owen my 3 year old niece sleeps in the bed with me when she’s not by her Dad’s house. So that’s wrong? So that automatically means I’m abusing her? Which I am not

[@IainWhoCantSleep]

Literally wasn’t kid porn it was an art book.

[@IainWhoCantSleep]

Sean P lmao you do know there are naked or semi naked people in art books all the time. Get over yourself.

[@Artije]

​@@IainWhoCantSleep With naked children? sounds like you need to get over MJ

[@IainWhoCantSleep]

Sean P it literally wasn’t kid porn. It’s a fact you imbecile.

[@IainWhoCantSleep]

Artije there’s art (shock horror) with naked or semi naked people in it.

[@myrahouse2368]

Iain McManus Man this is so bad completely immature cluelessness bless.

[@donovans6472]

have you guys ever been to court before. do you know what the court process is like to say something like that....traffic court is a pain in the neck....can you imagine what criminal court is like....if you haven't been to criminal in your life you shouldn't talk about it as if its a simple thing.....that's why lot of people settle

[@hamdoulaa]

So we should stop listening to all good music? If we dont seperate the art and the artist, i'm pretty sure we should mute all classical composers too.. (also I believe MJ is innocent) Even if he did it, I still wouldn't have any problems with playing the music. You have to be full of yourself and take yourself way too seriously to actually have a problem because of the music.

[@MARINAcode]

NOW EVERYBODY IS SMART..... BUT 10 years ago, when Martin Bashir talken about weird side of MJ, no one got him seriously.

[@somedude9528]

+Hey Mama You do know the Martin Bashir documentary was edited and cut up, right? The heavily-edited version is where so many of these MJ myths come from.

[@gerald_the_science_guy]

4mins in and I just wanna say...SO GLAD I UNSUBSCRIBED from this chanel.

[@MindEntertainment37]

I can't stand the mentality of people like this. They r exactly like a LYNCH MOB,they believe the accusers and ignore evidence to the contrary.

[@majav15mg]

Sean Gill There’s not gonna be proof. Just bits of testimony and personal accounts. You can match them together, make sure they’re believable and consistent with one another and come to a conclusion. It’s the toughest part about the whole drama. I must admit though, I’m obviously biased towards Michael because that cheesy pop music he made is just so fun and enjoyable to listen.

[@ryiin]

He did it. He took the child catcher from chitty chitty bang bang to another level.

[@IrishScribbler]

And you make both Simple Jack and Forrest Gump look like members of Mensa compare to you.

[@ryiin]

@@IrishScribbler Well thank you Professor Phelan. You seem to be that intelligent they'd be absolutely no point arguing with you. Because you couldn't be easily led by anybody. Just stay deeply closeted.

[@crissyledbetter6270]

As a survivor of child abuse myself I could tell they were definitely lieing, wade and his boyfriend are just plain evil

[@vineetasjourney8017]

Crissy Ledbetter Thankyou !

[@jicter1]

U guys are so partial. Someone could make accusations and you take it as facts.

[@J-RomeBaca]

If there’s no “proof” we have to look at credibility. That simple.

[@simonhanson795]

Based on their logic they presented rings therefore they must be telling the truth.

[@TearsoftheAeon]

@@simonhanson795... they could've presented a silver gauntlet, they would still believe those two....unbelievable

[@OldskolFan]

Too stupid. They believe these guys. Won’t finish watching this.

[@venetiacupidon5455]

Mike is a black man and if he molested those boys he would be in jail. Y’all sound crazy , what hotels did you check ?

[@cornboy7587]

They were both child actors guys, and don't any of you forget that.

[@mariaathena7910]

You overestimate them, chill

[@cornboy7587]

@@mariaathena7910 No, I dont. If Wade Robson apparently has the ability to lie to Scott Ross, Ron Zonan, Tom Meseraeu, and Tom Sneddon and get away with it, then he has the ability to lie in front of Oprah and crowd of real CSA's.

[@mariaathena7910]

@@cornboy7587buddy you don't make sense, No one is that of a good actor lol and Janine Driver and other body language experts confirm it. I have seen your brainless shit elsewhere so I'm not gonna lose any more time.

[@AkbakIdin]

I watched Spotlight recently before I watched Leaving Neverland. It is hard to think MJ is not guilty. Something did happened. The patterns were all there. But then again, we would never be able to confirm, 100%, MJ is guilty nor we would able to confirm nothing happened.

[@kashiaroundtheworld]

But all 4 accusers Can be easily be discredited and shown to be fraudulent, that's for sure. But yes I agree. No one can say they know what happened. The more I investigate, the MJ actually looked like the victim... And the stubborn idiot.

[@territmoderitmo9190]

@@kashiaroundtheworld did you listen Telephone stories the trials of michael jackson?

[@savagekingx1321]

Michael Jackson has been shown to be innocent everytime

[@kashiaroundtheworld]

Well you can't really prove his innocence... But his accusers site do look like liars

[@artistryartistry7239]

Look, by blaming the parents this way, you have the benefit of hindsight, and knowing who and what Michael Jackson is. I don't think anyone could know what it was like to be in that situation where literally the biggest star ever is befriending your family. No one knew he was a molester. And it's not like the parents knew that, and decided to ignore it. They had no idea what was going on. And sure, they might've been blinded by celebrity, but many people would've. What's the suggestion here, that they didn't love their kids? That's absurd. This situation isn't being looked at with enough nuance, and hindsight is 20/20.

[@aspiknf]

Nah the parents were very stupid.

[@aspiknf]

No one knew he was a molester? the press already thought Wacko Jacko was weird during the late 1970s.

[@ILMMS1997]

“OnE sIdEd StOrY!!! OneSiDeDStOry!!!” Shut up!

[@stopdropandnopodcast1413]

One Sided

[@briankeogh335]

TheLegend27 what do you mean shut up? It’s just as ignorant to ignore one side than to discredit another

[@gohanson27]

@@briankeogh335 cause it a conspiracy. Do you believe the earth is flat?

[@briankeogh335]

gohanson27 what are you talking about of course not

[@gohanson27]

@@briankeogh335 So how can you believe a Doc that has no truth? The facts and truth is has already been proven that those men are lying. It's not an opinion type of situation it's basically people that researched or was alive during this whole thing was happening and people who look at twitter comments and take those as facts.

[@kevinyoung7294]

Not a documentary. Just a claim by someone without proof.

[@melgrant7404]

Verbal evidence counts for a lot.

[@stellasmithson3836]

What proof do you want

[@shortslovesmjj]

1.6 Billion a little bit of money?

[@adamw116]

Wade Robinson's mother, the Australian Mom, seemed a little to liberal in her feelings toward the situation. Not that she wasn't upset but she just didn't seem as emotional and wrecked as she should be.

[@djsichuan3303]

"stories like that, how do you make that up?" . Easy, you just use your imagination. I can make up 30 stories for you in an hour that will be more detailed than that one

[@dianabeurman364]

AGREE! I CAN DO IT TOO!

[@grizzlyadamblack]

Lol guys if I got accused I'm gonna try and settle. Doesn't matter if guilty or not if DA is trying to put u in jail would u rather just settle or try and fight and fail. So many people in jail because of false allegations.

[@KidGreeD14]

Oh man do you remember to kill a mockingbird. It's like we've gone back in time.

[@whileyouareinmali]

You can t walk free from child abuse just paying!!! It was not about abuse RESEARCH PROPERLY

[@whileyouareinmali]

While people are divided SONY filling its pockets AGAIN as MJ albums raised 24 steps above in the charts! Only losers can think his legacy will diminish! SONY and media pumping fake news for new $$$

[@aiveivanov4035]

This so called “ hush payment” didnt stop Jordan Chandler from destifying. But he didnt.

[@rhideflory]

As a fan of Michael Jackson, I’m not blinded to the possibility that he is capable of doing this. But with that said, the man is dead. Nobody gains any thing from this story being out. All it does put unwarranted attention on his children and other loved ones. Even the father that broke him is dead. Meanwhile, we got Harvey Weinstein out here still running a muck with his Hollywood connections and let’s not disregard his friendship with Oprah who is also in the know. Bottom line is this, focus on the predators that are within arms reach in your back yard and leave the dead alone. Everybody just look like a bunch of punk ass bitches with this story getting out now when the man is no longer here to defend himself and the opportunity was presented for you to throw him in jail TWICE !

[@eon001]

Wade wanting to sue the estate, will always make me cast some doubt on his motives. If he just wanted to get the truth out there then fair enough but he seems to be motivated by money. That doesn't mean he wasn't abused, I'm just a little suspect to his story.

[@emmanuelonwuha3866]

Omg , I can’t believe these guys just believe people with zero evidence ? Just speculations

[@leemcqueen500]

They didn't say they 100 percent belived them. They said it looks very Dodgy.

[@calcanbogdan3951]

they also believe Thor is real zero credibility

[@cheekyboy5000]

Rings, faxes, voice recordings, pictures..that's evidence.

[@kidvanderboos4845]

How do you make that up?!! Easily!

[@vincestonereviews]

Billie Jean played at knotts on sunday and even though i feel micheal was guilty. I danced to that tune and was glad knotts berry farm was okay with playing his music

[@arglebargle5531]

Not me. That's dancing to the tune of a pedophile.

[@vincestonereviews]

So then we cant use or do anything. If we were to trace the history of people that brough us essentials in life, but they were evil. Then we should not use those things ? Its just good tunes. And an alleged pedophile lol

[@globalcitizenn]

ArgleBargle great and true Art comes from the divine, no matter who it comes through.

[@ki2the2nd]

So just showing a ring is proof enough of marriage? Ok I'm done here.

[@TheAndredal]

Collider: Listen and believe without evidence

[@alisontejeda3270]

If he wasn’t into boys then why didn’t he ever let any ugly or fat boys sleep in his bed ? Just a bunch of beautiful boys that could be models on a Sears catalog .

[@alisontejeda3270]

Dnomyar Akunawik LoL how do I know what ? That he slept in bed with attractive white boys ?? Because he said he did !

[@micmorgan84]

One thing I got from watching this documentary was that these guys were in love with mj and it seems that they were more emotionally distraught talking about being dumped than when they talk about the molestation. That’s probably one of the reasons they never came forward before because they were still in love with him.

[@brigjay123]

Lol. Are you for real?

[@micmorgan84]

Justin Jay 100%

[@brigjay123]

Being confused as a kid and loving mj as a kid is one thing.but wen you become an adult you realise you were being abused. This man, wade defended mj as a grown man. As an abused traumatised kid he dated mj niece and even found time to cheat on her. That is a confident young man for you. Not to say mj innocent but the victims are not credible and therefore we cannot treat whatever they say as fact. Mj was weird but that font necessarily mean he was a child molester.

[@micmorgan84]

Justin Jay I’m not saying any of this is factual but if the narrative that they told was fact then that is my assessment

[@brigjay123]

@@micmorgan84 the problem is that the narrative is totally marred with inconsistencies, bias and is only hearsay with no facts to back the story. You might as well have been watching a movie. You can't come to any conclusions on that based on one source which has every reason to be bias.

[@denisewyatt1877]

What I take from this is that millions of people defend MJ when his actions are clearly questionable, but one article from New York Times about Ryan Adams being a horrible boyfriend and not one person defends him. 20 year career just gone. I guess he isn’t iconic enough for someone to defend.

[@studior3dd]

4 hours of proof? Wtf she's smoking?