LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan - Who REALLY Was The Better Defender

[@TheULMOnaut]

You forget that in the late 80s Jordan did not only shut down his man, but also blocked the centers down low and therefore was a threat for the entire opposing team.

[@iraelliott8936]

Jordan is a way better defender

[@tkbaku3036]

Not in any way. There’s a reason Lebron is a generational talent

[@iraelliott8936]

@@tkbaku3036 in every way. lebron doesn't even play defense any more. That's not even mentioning all of the seasons he didn't play defense. There are many reasons why Jordan has a DPOY and many more first team all defense

[@HT-sm9dm]

@@tkbaku3036 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYKamIONjqh-mtksi=EgOCgawgpodKL0Az

[@DesmondDaddy]

It’s not even close, MJ was a much better defender.

[@kevinroberts8441]

yes don't even have to watch video

[@mytruthismoreuseful]

He so much a better defender you can’t name ANY PLAYERS he guarded better then Kd,Steph,Kawhi,dwade,kobe,Jayson Tatum, Jaylen brown, harden, Westbrook, Paul George, Derrick rose, jimmy butler, Jamal Murray, kyrie, Donovan Mitchell, jokic,Giannis, dame,

[@lotuslife3239]

Lebron never came close to MJ in steals in a game or averages. Even Bird once got 9 steals in 3 quarters. It may seem like it's closer cause Bron has like over 300 more blocks but how many blocks did he get in 15 seasons? Jordan was also way more of the type to stay in front of the defender and not go for chase down blocks unless he turned the ball over. Most of his blocks came from help defense.

[@jonthomson9262]

​​@@mytruthismoreusefulhow many of those players did LeBron actually gaurd???? I do remember LeBron being torched by Jason Terry,and K.D..........IN THE FINALS.🤣🤣🤣🤣 And Kawhi had his way with LeBron as well.

[@Sldumas1983]

@@mytruthismoreusefulYour cooked then why has he never been of a first team all defense since his early 30s he got 5 to MJ 9 times plus MJ’s DPOY stop it man none of these current guys could beat MJ in his prime and Bro guarded Kobe like a scared little boy let’s stop these fables.

[@bwink23]

Jordan owns LeBum in stats too. No one cares about longevity stats, and they were NEVER a major component of the GOAT debate.

[@feelinghobbies.02]

This is facts jordan is consistently in the top 10 or top 5 in stats in all SG While lebron is on majority top 15 of all time in some stats in all SF

[@mytruthismoreuseful]

@@feelinghobbies.02dawg he’s the nba ALLTIME leading scorer & #4 in ALLTIME assists not only is he way beyond top 15 for his position stat wise he’s WAY BEYOND MJ stat wise

[@bwink23]

@@mytruthismoreuseful Jordan beats him in stats as well. No one cares about longevity stats kid

[@jayk6194]

@@mytruthismoreuseful That exactly is the meaning of longevity stats. He's also the nba ALLTIME leader in TO and missed FG. See how longevity stats work?

[@MrKurtykurt]

@@mytruthismoreusefulcheck out “per game” stats, particularly by position, and Lebron looks far less dominant. I’ll go find the paper I researched both their rankings by their position all time in all 11 major statistical categories. I was actually surprised how impressive Lebron’s rankings actually turned out, until of course I found MJ’s who, if I remember correctly, ranks #1 among SG all time in 5 statistical “per game” categories, is top five in 8 and top ten in 10 (him and Lebron both don’t rank in 3 pointers). This idea that MJ doesn’t stack up statistically is so beyond the pale it’s hard to even comprehend sometimes Not to mention u Levisionist Historians will bring up his points and assists career stats and never say a peep that he’s been leading all time in turnovers since 2019

[@paulmayes76]

LeBron sucks stop comparing him to Jordan he's not even close

[@goatcasthoops]

Thanks for the view

[@chrisakokoh9118]

Lmao MJ dominated plumbers get his meat out ya mouth

[@SansicWizard]

Bro is speaking facts

[@inazuma3gou]

LeBron is the better flopper MJ is the better basketball player

[@mytruthismoreuseful]

@@inazuma3gou mj avg more free throws then lebron does while taking MORE jump shots .. he’s a free-throw merchant

[@justyouraverageyoutuber5218]

@@mytruthismoreuseful Yea no shit. If you try shooting more, people are going to get more attempted blocks on you, leading to more free throws. Its common sense. More exercise leads to more calories burnt, more steps is more times moving with legs, more shots leads to more made and missed shots, etc

[@DyingBreed8]

Its not as easy to defend now. The ball handling, three point shooting is much better than it was when Jordan played. They let the players get away with palming the basketball and traveling just to make it harder as a defender.

[@justyouraverageyoutuber5218]

@@DyingBreed8 Thats not why people say the defending was harder

[@DyingBreed8]

@@justyouraverageyoutuber5218 I'm talking ability today not the past

[@bdcddd]

Jordan was a better defender, but LeBron is better at being Diddy’s maid.

[@Pseudog831]

Not even close.

[@JoseIrizarry-k7g]

One of the biggest lies about LeBalco is that he can defend all positions because lebroom is a poor defender,I watching him for 22 seasons and common man stop the false narrative he has a lot of weaknesses on his game

[@kennethli8]

LeChoke's defensive versatility is overrated because he spent less than 5% of the time guarding a different position. Throughout most of LeChoke's career, he is a defensive LIABILITY.

[@IVOT618]

Exactly! I can say I can guard all 5 positions too. Doesn't make me good at it.

[@trick0502]

This video could have been 6 seconds. Jason Terry. That was prime LeBron and he couldn’t guard a 30+ Jason Terry. If you want to look at stats, look at them. Mj is equal to LeBron in blocks per game and it isn’t even close in steals.

[@jonthomson9262]

K.D. also torched LeBron in the finals and Kawhi also has his way with LeBron as well. 😂😅

[@fullmetal1766]

100

[@trick0502]

@@jonthomson9262 kd is not a the level of Jason terry

[@guadalupechavarria1227]

Michael Jordan is the true GOAT 🐐 No debate!

[@guadalupechavarria1227]

Jordan - 6 NBA Championships, 2 Olympic Gold, 2 National Team Gold and 1 NCAA Championship at North Carolina.

[@olaniyi2001]

2 dunk contests 😊

[@ryukikiyura4188]

The better comparison should be Kobe and MJ on who's the better defender... Leflop has nothing to do in that criteria. we all know he ain't

[@fullmetal1766]

lebron has never been a great defender Jordan is arguably the greatest guard defender

[@joellleverino]

Wowowowow... "in blocks, Lebron has the edge over Jordan with 0.8 bpg, and MJ averaged 0.8 bpg..." How? Just because there are more highlights of Lebron's chasing down blocks? MJ is the best guard at blocks in NBA history, you can't say the same about Lebron as Forward either small or power...

[@goatcasthoops]

Tried to give LeBron a little credit

[@ynotsandoval9377]

How many times did Leflop win the first team all defensive player?

[@TheLastJayL]

Here is the thing, LeBron was only consistently elite defensively while in Miami when he was forced to play defense. Outside of those years, not even close.

[@bladefox5082]

He was on 2 all defensive teams before he went to miami

[@marcusjones2550]

​@bladefox5082 but he played 7 years in Cleveland. Thats still a relative lack of consistency.

[@kennethli8]

LeChoke's defensive versatility is overrated because he spent less than 5% of the time guarding a different position. Throughout most of LeChoke's career, he is a defensive LIABILITY.

[@wyzeguy_23]

Just like MJ's answer on who gets the last shot, "Me, that's a dumb question".

[@christophercorders6526]

LeBron is no doubt one of the very best to ever play, but you don't need stats necessarily to determine if he was better than Mike. All anyone needs is to either have seen it in real time or online, and it very quickly becomes apparent that Mike is better. Stats are great and can qualify but must be kept within context. Qualitative vs. Quantitative if you will. Anyone who'll take quantity over quality has a clouded view.

[@goatcasthoops]

Very much agree

[@LungMing23]

awesome vid!

[@goatcasthoops]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@murderorgy2995]

Mj was better at everything

[@oz1141]

MJ 15 seasons 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year 9X NBA All-Defensive Team first team LeBron 22 seasons 5X NBA All-Defensive Team first team

[@WhereisWolfgang]

LeBron strikes me like a Brett Farve of basketball tbh. Yea, Farve has some impressive longevity records, but he's not a winner, and certainly no Brady. "LeBron", or "Brady" will never have the cultural impact to the point where their name alone can be used to describe a paragon - to be the 'Michael Jordan' of [action or occupation]. Anyway Jordan was my hero as early as the 3rd grade. LeBron is just kind of boring to watch also. No quirkiness, just mad king (James) vibes.

[@leonardjackson6210]

Said the same thing he's more Bret Farve lotta TDs(points) but alotta Turnovers (Ints) and crunch time he's more likely to turn it over than come thru in the clutch.

[@JonathanEvans1977]

Brett Farve is a super bowl champion dude. Don't say he's not a winner. Plus farves numbers aren't just about Longevity man. Dude won 3 mvps in a row. He's the only nfl player to ever do that. Brett farve was the best qb in football in the mid 90s.. Besides winning championships has more to do with TEAM fam. Farve didn't have the teams Brady had for most of his career. When he did he won a super bowl

[@WhereisWolfgang]

@@JonathanEvans1977 I concede but still to my point using Farve as a direct reference; Lebron's legacy still even isn't as impressive as the likes of Farve, but similar in how longevity seems to overshadow their peak prior successes.

[@jasminetomca]

Lebron is fast, but he isn't that quick. MJ was like a cat, just all over people - a combination of natural ability and the most tenacious mindset ever

[@goatcasthoops]

Defense is almost all mental and hustle

[@jasminetomca]

@@goatcasthoops absolutely

[@accshsmilgroup1408]

LeBron is not even close of a defender compared to Scottie Pippen. Lol

[@andrewcook1246]

He's better. He could guard PF and C's and he actually lead a finals in all def stats...

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

@@andrewcook1246 bwahhhahahahaha. No. That alone descredits you from talking any basketball. Thanks for the laugh.

[@andrewcook1246]

@@TheDudeAbides1998 He did lead a finals in all def stats. He did guard Centers. And he did guard PGs. He also played at least a season at every position and made an all nba team and allstar. Let me know if you need any more schooling

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

@@andrewcook1246 What real centers and PF and guards? David West was abusing Lebron in the post as well. Curry made lebron look silly more times than not. Lebron couldn't guard KD or Kawhi. If we are talking about true centers, he can't guard. Couldn't guard Terry or Tony Parker as well. And if he is guarding a different position only happens 5% of the time. :D You already been schooled and you are just in detention now.

[@moonpie6761]

I wish people would stop comparing LeBron to MJ. It’s not fair to LeBron. LeBron is not even the greatest Laker of all time, nor the greatest small forward. I will give him credit though. He is the greatest whiner of all time.

[@goatcasthoops]

Lol

[@mrskinszszs]

One played elite defense, and the other plays next to no defense. MJ without question

[@davidwhitehouse9665]

Thanks! Great video. Be Well and Safe Friend.

[@leecorleone]

well done. Lebron for his greatness as a player, is NEVER remotely considered a top 10 defender at his position. That eliminates ANY comparison to Jordan.

[@jordangrose698]

Defense requires skill, hustle, and consistency Jordan put shines LeBron in every aspect of defense.

[@ThinkSpeakSacrifice]

I agree with your assessment.

[@goatcasthoops]

Appreciate it

[@KCD1962]

I've watched both in their careers (prime and later) and MJ never took a second off when he was on the court. MJ is by far the better defender. As far as the Goat debate goes, there isn't one (regarding LeBron). He lacks a key ingredient. The IT factor. Something that all of the legends have. Kobe called it the Mamba mentality. He can accumulate all of the stats that he wants, but he will never reach the summit. There are so many ahead of him because of this (Kobe, Larry, Magic, Kareem, Akeem, etc.). There is one other deficit in his game and that is that he can only play one way. And he forces teammates into playing this way and often forcing them into playing out of position. This has happened throughout his career.

[@skitrip7544]

Bro, MJ is a way way way way way way better defender than lebron

[@goatcasthoops]

That’s exactly the point of the video

[@djyanno]

TheReaslMindCrime brought me here. Having seen most of both of these players carreers, there is not a single doubt that Jordan was a better defender.

[@goatcasthoops]

Appreciate you coming over

[@djyanno]

@@goatcasthoops Great video. Subscribed

[@AverageGuy28]

Next: Who's better shooter: Curry or Lebron? Is it necessary to make a 15 min video explaining what is obvious to anyone that has seen at least half a game of each player? Lebron is only a good player because of his size/speed, other than that is a pretty mediocre player talentwise. Even his attitude is worse than other great all time players.

[@goatcasthoops]

Appreciate the view but there are those that don’t feel that way or see it,

[@mjbfunky]

Hell yea… great vid man, came from realmindcrime

[@goatcasthoops]

Appreciate you

[@billyclutch]

Lebron stopped playing defense 10 years ago. Why is this a topic? Just watching a couple Lakers game this early part of the season, I’ve seen several circumstances where this guy didn’t even bother to get back on defense leaving his team in 5 on 4 situations. Dude is a defensive bum. Major capping here

[@goatcasthoops]

Where did I cap, he’s not a terrible defender and I talked about his deficiencies, just watch his Miami years and he defended well but I said Jordan was the much better defender so I’m not understanding where I was capping?

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

@@goatcasthoops lebron been slacking on the defensive end for almost half his career. That's bad.

[@PBMdanya]

​@goatcasthoops his Miami years? You mean the same team he bolted as soon as he could because they made him play defense. Look what happen after 2014.... been a defensive bump ever since. If you're great or even good on defense, changing teams doesn't alter much for you on that side of the ball

[@malcolmpuhawan3695]

You sure LBJ is a "highly regarded defender"?

[@darkballerz]

Next Wade vs Kobe I love your vids ❤

[@goatcasthoops]

Appreciate it! That’s a good topic will start gathering info on it!

[@darkballerz]

@goatcasthoops thanks I personally think Wade is the better guard generally but Kobe hardcore fan are sometimes blind 😔

[@JonathanEvans1977]

There is no "debate" between these two. Mj clearly clears. If anything Kobe is way closer to mj. Dude won dpoy while carrying the offensive load 💀

[@hud1231]

Lebron is a great at turnovers...giving away

[@ArmandoKozomara]

Bro what this isn't even a question 😂 on both defense and scoring it goes 1 Jordan, 2 Kobe, 3 Lebron.

[@ryanb2607]

Jordan pretty much never flopped. LeBron is the king of the flop. LeBron is NOT an all-time great defender, lmao.

[@detourr]

MJ at 38-40 years old was busting his ass from the defensive end while Lebron just walking around on the court (conserving his energy is pure BS).

[@goatcasthoops]

Facts

[@akwesirobinson1710]

@@goatcasthoopsbron literally gaurd jokic at 38 what you mean gaurding Murray and jokic and that pnr at 38 really good .he was crazy exhausted and his team couldn’t score a point when he took a break on offense

[@King_SPL]

I’ll take MJ for overall defense, but Lebron is obviously better on flashy chase down blocks

[@poly_g6068]

Jordan is a more consistent defender, both in the playoffs and regular season. He was more active period. Advanced metrics place peak LeBron pretty close though. LeBron is a better defender in the Finals. He tallied the most steals in a Finals series behind Isiah Thomas, and that same series he cracked the top 20 in blocks, and LeBron played in an era with deflated steals and blocks numbers.

[@christophercorders6526]

Mike is the better defender period..his man rarely got off..let's stop the damn debate.

[@tmoneyme]

They both different on D. MJ get the edge on ball vs guards. But they just different players on D and they both were good in their prime

[@cadenweaver5612]

How many of yall drive a loaded prius vs a modern half ton truck? That's the comparison. Jordan was just about the best you could be at guarding your position (getting from a to b) and even good at helping (mpg). Truck gets a to b, not amazing mpg, slow to get going but will accomplish far more tasks. Draymond always gets the credit but Heat bron proved that you could run 1 big and be successful as a team on defense. The whole warriors dynasty wouldn't have been attempted without that proof. Jordan also really benefited from having an equivalentish, bigger defender at the 3 and an oversized pg for a lot of his finals runs. Never really HAD to over extend himself too much with those fallbacks cuz ya know, jordan wasn't gonna be assigned to a 4 or 5 and most teams ran 2 classic bigs before lebron proved ya didn't have to

[@quentondaniels8536]

Jordan the far better defender. Here from TheRealMindCrime who reviewed this video. New sub here. Good video!

[@goatcasthoops]

Thanks for the sub!

[@aarongeminiano4135]

damn content! that not even a question

[@e.j.dortch8931]

💯

[@munoken]

How is this a question.? LeDiddy is trash Air Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time and one of the greatest defense players at his position ever, best 2 way player in history!

[@andrewcook1246]

Bron could guard 1-5 and lead a finals in all 3 def stats. Mike was great at guarding Guards, thats it lol

[@munoken]

@andrewcook1246 your logic is bs, stop the garbage narratives, letrash can't guard a kindergartener he's constantly getting cooked. Basketball was played by position prior to the trash product right now and Jordan is is one of the best defenders ever and you'll never be able to say about LeDiddy 😂. You fools pile up all the lies and narratives for this supposed fake player it's embarrassing 😂 🤣 😅 😆 🤡 🤹‍♂️

[@osvaldogallegos9734]

LeBum flops he doesn’t play defense. Stop comparing the medias princess to the greatest ever MJ

[@goatcasthoops]

This was more to prove how much better Jordan was than him on defense

[@NotAnAstronaut2k]

What is this LeMedia trynna make it look like LeBron is even close to Mike on Defense 😂 not even close ever

[@Ashcash95]

MJ was a better defender both on & off ball, not to say Lebron isn’t a good defender in his own right but its like comparing a A+ defender to a B+ defender but saying the latter is better because he is more versatile. Hell They came out with a Hit job to try and knock MJs his DPOY, but even without what they claim is home cooking” Eliminate MJ's home stats from 88, 2x in Jordan's career ROAD stats to get an unbiased total: Jordan (adjusted by road games): 2290 Steals: 2.1 per game 828 Blocks: 0.8 per game LeBron (all recorded stats, home and away): 2275 Steals: 1.5 per game 1111 Blocks: .7 per game In other words Mj was a better defender, hell go look ip his wizards highlights of him playing one on one defense against guys like Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, Ron Artest,

[@lancemarkert2648]

good video

[@lorenzolagman7103]

It's not even close Jordan is more superior than Lebron

[@carlfeliciano988]

3 inches shorter yet have more blocks say no more 😂

[@ahnguyen1]

there is no debate

[@vanixiii5657]

"Who's the better defender" idk maybe the one with w DPOY on their resume??? Or the one who actually plays defense???

[@Self-improving72]

Y'all keep forgetting the goat only played 15 seasons..stop the comparisons....23#Jordan chi town for life childhood memories..

[@accshsmilgroup1408]

Comparing LBJ to MJ in terms of basketball defense is like comparing 7 year old kid against 15 year old kid in boxing. Lol The biggest lie about LeBron is he can't guard every position because he only spends time defending other positions other than SF of about 3% of his total minutes, so the versatility argument is highly exaggerated.

[@desmondallen7585]

Mike! Yall young dudes just don't know how dominate Mike was.

[@andrewcook1246]

Youre absolutely right. Only one could guard 1-5 and only 1 lead a finals in all defensive stats. Bron

[@andrewcook1246]

He was so dominant they were inflating his steals and blocks lmao

[@PizzaTime727]

Why is this even a comparison? At least compare MJ with the REAL greatest defenders. Can start with the 3 other people who share 9 Defensive First teams with him, league highest (Kobe, KG, Payton).

[@jamalrahmaan9804]

LeBron James is lazy on defense MJ play some more aggressive more consistent and consistent in playing on both ends of the floor.

[@HeWhoR3mains]

It’s not close

[@jeremiah_12]

10:49 I’m confused on this point. They averaged the same amount of blocks, so neither has an edge in this category.

[@goatcasthoops]

@@jeremiah_12 honestly it could go either way but I gave it to LeBron because some of his were more memorable

[@SCHD-DGRO24]

Leflop hasnt played defense in years.....he needs to focus all of his energy on offense these days to preserve his "longevity" argument, hes a joke

[@Sldumas1983]

LeDiddy James is overrated over hyped 2011 showed us what we needed to see😂😂.

[@allenporter6586]

effort, effort, effort....MJ showed it, Lebron doesn't. MJ is much better.

[@goatcasthoops]

Bingo

[@yoshikigrg8]

Of course it's MJ. 9x all-NBA defense first team to Lebron's 6.

[@rackball5858]

1st Teams : Jordan 9 > Lebron 5 2nd Teams : Lebron 1

[@andrewcook1246]

Its Bron. Bron can guard Derrick Rose, then guard KD and then guard a Marc Gasol or Jokic. He also lead a finals in ALL def stats

[@rackball5858]

@@andrewcook1246 You just said he “can guard” such and such player. But did he do so effectively? And for how long was he elite against such players on the defensive end? Magic Johnson could also guard 1-5 but did he do so effectively.

[@andrewcook1246]

@@rackball5858 Well he did it to the tune of 4 straight def 1st teams, two dpoty runner ups, 4 straight finaks and back to back chips. He then went on to lead a series in rebs blks and stls. So he could do so effecticely

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

@@andrewcook1246 And we seen KD, Parker, West, Curry, Kawhi did whatever they wanted on Lebron as well.

[@kingsleyjackson8287]

LeBron got carried on the heat

[@PBMdanya]

I get that its a small channel, but please engage with your audience and not just heart comments or dry responses. Especially when youre talking about a subject like this.

[@goatcasthoops]

This video is over a month old, I understand what you're saying but sometimes I can't give long responses because I have a job and try to work on other content as well. Plus I'm not always notified when new comments come in. I'll do my best to do more but its a challenge sometimes. Appreciate the view though, I feel I said all I needed to in the video also. I'm the farthest thing from a LeBron fan but I'm fair and he was a solid defender at times in his career.

[@PBMdanya]

@goatcasthoops for sure! I know I'm late at the party but another guy did a reaction to ya video so that's how I landed here. May your channel get bigger my brother. Keep up the videos. Sorry if I came off a little mean

[@goatcasthoops]

@ no it’s all good any constructive criticism is welcome because my plan is to try to continue to grow. I appreciate the feedback and view!

[@andrewcook1246]

Did you just call Rodman a good defender before the Bulls? A 2x dpoty?!

[@goatcasthoops]

The context was that he didn’t become a great defender when he joined the Bulls, he always was one

[@parico4489]

I think we all know that LeBron would be unfair defensively in the 90s

[@whenisdinner2137]

Yeah, unfairly benched because he doesn't try

[@mytruthismoreuseful]

@@whenisdinner2137so he would fit RIGHT IN 😂😂 guys didn’t try back then either they didn’t slide they feet didn’t contest 3s all you had to do sit below the freethrow line let your man shoot and if he crosses freethrow line try to grab/push him and then if that doesn’t work it’s up to your slow footed unathletic center to try to block the shot or be lazy and just knock the dude to the floor

[@liljalenmosley6839]

@@mytruthismoreuseful you my nigga don’t know your basketball bruh. Players tried harder back then it was more physical and hard to be efficient.

[@spitnificent]

@@mytruthismoreusefulthat’s been debunked goofy. Whatever you need to tell yourself to put LeBum in a conversation he never belonged in.

[@mjthebasketballgoat-l6p]

@@mytruthismoreuseful not entirely true but okay buddy. If we look at the prototypes for the modern three ball back than like dell curry, steve kerr, dennis scott, etc.... They were only averaging 10+ ppg and only a few good three point shooters in the 90's were stars. To say they just sat paint all day is incorrect because if that was true then these players would be averaging much more ppg.

[@danieloneal7345]

Not Durant, not curry,not harden,jokic, Greek freak, must I go on?????

[@brianvalencia7717]

What a STUPID question! How could LeLazy be "better" than ANY All-Time Great defender.....when he doesn't even PLAY defense? GTFOH! 😂

[@andrewcook1246]

Because Bron actually lead a finals in all def stats and he could guard 1-5. Are you blind?

[@jjohnson4013]

​@@andrewcook1246Jason Terry JJ Brea

[@andrewcook1246]

@@jjohnson4013 You mean Chandler, Marion and Kidd playing zone defense? Seems fair. He had an all time stinker of a performance vs a team with 5 hof'ers on it and then the best performance in a finals series against a 70 win team with 4 hof on it. Won 4 rings after Dallas and Dallas did not make another Finals until 12 years later. If I say Nick Anderon and Terry Cummings does that negat Jordan too? Lol

[@jeremiah_12]

“Two-way player?” That’s begging to receive credit for something that should be a given. That’s the basketball version of an adult wanting credit for having a job, car, and own living space. The bar has been drastically lowered but you want credit for LBJ being an okay defender??? 😂

[@goatcasthoops]

I feel you on that, I gave LeBron props because there were points where he was a solid defender and looked like he could be a great two way player but as you saw I pointed out how he became lazy or was lazy especially in the regular season for many years

[@parico4489]

5:43 Travel

[@Bammy1108]

Nope, just 2 steps

[@chijaytavaakachija1513]

Pretty sure that was 2 steps.

[@ShellShock-xt1jp]

Two steps is the definition of not traveling 🤦‍♂️

[@justyouraverageyoutuber5218]

Tbh Lebron could've achieved way more then he did. Maybe even undisputed goat (maybe). He just didn't have the mentality

[@satatay23]

Really stretching and generalizing to make lebronze sound like he’s right there with the greats. Guards Derrick Rose one time, becomes he can guard all 5 positions. He gets smoked if the full team defense isn’t there for him. Guards big men? Who, draymond green? Nope. He’s the beneficiary of circumstance, his chase down blocks come from his team mate setting him up with their defense. There’s too much negative impact from him on defense, kicking at bounce passes, getting lost in the paint, Kuzma having to push him to into position, not getting back on defense. And I will not compare him to greatness when he’s not even close. He’s the bronny james of basketball.

[@goatcasthoops]

I’ll agree with most of that

[@andrewcook1246]

Based on what I saw in the olympics which is more like 80s and 90s basketball Bron would be a way better defender in the 90s than on the 00s. Because back then he could use all of his phyaicality to impose his will

[@ramonramirez3761]

Lol 😂 Bron would be good in the 80's 90's. Basketball!!! 😂😂😂Can I have some of what you smoking 🚬🚬🚬?

[@andrewcook1246]

@@ramonramirez3761 I'm smoking on that he avg 28/7/7 during the deadball era pack lol. Which was harder to score than in the 80s and 90s. Only player to lead a finals in all 5 stats pack He 6'9 270 with prime rose speed, prime jordan hops and prime malone strength.

[@ramonramirez3761]

@andrewcook1246 He does not have the hops of Jordan !!! Stop smoking Krack !!! Jordan has the NBA record for hops 48 " vertical LeFraud barely hits 40" vertical!! Please even in his Prime years Players like Kobe and Duncan were better and beat him in all sorts of head to head matches!!! In the 80's they were not leaving lanes open and he would be elbowed on occasion!! Which his softness wouldn't handle!!! Bigger does not always translate to stronger!!! Stop when LeBron came intot the league there were not that many great big men left in the league. The last great big man was Shaq and he was getting out of shape!!! He was averaging these numbers against teams with weak big men !! Then you saw him have problems with teams like the Pistons and Celtics who were the few teams with Good big men (Ben Wallace, Tayshawn Prince (Pistons) and Kevin Garnett (Celtics)....Did you actually watch games from back then or are you looking at stats only? Stats don't always tell the story since you can Pad them versus weak opponents!!!

[@ramonramirez3761]

@andrewcook1246 He is the only superstar player to disappear in the 4th quarter of 3 Finals games in 2011 .. He is the only superstar player to get beat by bench players 7 inches shorter while leading that series 2-1 !!! He supposedly can lockdown all positions, but couldn't stop Jason Terry!!! He is the only Superstar player to be swept twice in the last 25 years in the Finals!!! He is also only 20% in clutch situations in the Finals. As you can see I can also use stats and history to show how overrated Lefraud is !!!

[@andrewcook1246]

@ramonramirez3761 Was he guarding Jasin Terry? Nope. And he didn't lose to Jason Terry lol. He lost to a team featuring Dirk, Kidd, Marion, Chandler AND Terry. Who btw stomped all over the western conference too

[@kingsleyjackson8287]

Only 1 have 3 steals champ

[@michaelrossLegit]

2013 LeBron better defender

[@Lippeyman23]

Bron is the better defender. Taller stronger faster and can actaully defend a center one on one bcuz of his strength. Jordan cant defend bigs one on one like lebron can.

[@goatcasthoops]

He can’t defend centers that well

[@Jimmyd134]

Oh ueah. Lebronze can guard 1-5. Yes, he can’t. He just don’t stop anyone.

[@andyreid6869]

LEBRON BETTER DEFENDER

[@HT-sm9dm]

This is how much of a defensive force LeBron James was in his prime: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYKamIONjqh-mtksi=EgOCgawgpodKL0Az

[@goatcasthoops]

Lol

[@tkbaku3036]

No disrespect … but you LYING about both Lebron and MJ is INSANE… Jordan took a heavy athletic drop off which effected his intensity from 96’. Jordan did not shut down any lead offensive players 😂 Hakeem avgd the same amount of steals as Jordan in his prime seasons multiple poeple did it 😂 no one can during lebrons time based off rule changes 😂 lebrons intensity never dropped off

[@goatcasthoops]

Hakeem isn't even in this conversation lol so out of a 15 or so year career, him not having the same intensity for a few of his last seasons means he didn't play with intensity? Not to mention, he was still All Defensive First Team from '96-98, so he wasn't out there twiddling his thumbs lol appreciate the comment, no disrespect at all

[@danieloneal7345]

Who tf was mj guarding???

[@johnw9177]

I just can't take this seriously.

[@goatcasthoops]

That’s fine, appreciate the comment nonetheless

[@yajeromeo]

"Lebron has the edge in blocks avg 0.8 bpg, vs Jordan with 0.8 bpg"... really? LeBron's edge is he's apparently blocking people taller than him... so if his thing is chase down blocks how is that right? since its more likely all those blocks came against guards who are all smaller than he is... and in all the footage of Jordan's blocks you used, he's blocking centers... so who's really blocking the taller players?

[@goatcasthoops]

It was a matter of footage I could find, we saw him block taller guys like Duncan and Splitter

[@yajeromeo]

@goatcasthoops of course it's the footage you can find, most of which would be game highlights. But that begs the question, what made it a highlight? Before media became a LeBron ego stroking machine, it was for showing impressive feats. I would argue a SG going over the top of a center to block them, and to do it with relative consistency considering how many clips there are, is more impressive than a PF blocking a guard. Especially when he himself said he needs someone else to chase, slow down, and force a change in shot first so that he can get the chase down block, whereas Jordan's blocks were a result of perfectly finding opportunities through his own tenacity in half court defence.

[@codyeble0713]

Lol you cant say in a tougher era it means jordan was a better defender.. if anything he was worse because you could get away with murder, now you have to defend in space and cant touch a player meaning less blocks, less steals, more fouls.. jordan you can grab bith the guys arms and itll go dowm as a steal lol LeBron is the better defender.. bigger stronger faster can gaurd 5 positions (to an extent) robbed of 2 dpoys while in miami whole Jordan was gifted one by made up stats by his home statistician.. not to mention jordan getting destroyed by bigger guards, shooters and quick guards... LeBron gets destroyed by 7 foot guards, 6'11 greek freaks and thats about it, in their primes LeBron was a better defender.. just because he stopped playing defense in 2014 doesnt mean he wasnt the better defender lol

[@goatcasthoops]

@@codyeble0713 I’m not going to question your opinions but your guy got torched by Dwight when he tried to switch on him, Tony Parker AND Ginobli torched him, he has had trouble with Steph at times, Jordan has more blocks than LeBron and is 3 inches shorter, they’re both solid though in hindsight

[@paulmayes76]

What labron has no defense much less no basketball IQ or skills

[@KungFuCooley]

Only one has DPOY. This is stupid.

[@goatcasthoops]

That’s a bad take though, there’s DPOYs that are not even close to defenders as other players. So just having a DPOY doesn’t mean you’re automatically better than everyone defensively, there could be some rough seasons with very little choice. I wouldn’t call Marcus Smart a better defender than Scottie Pippen

[@KungFuCooley]

@ “just having DPOY” lol you missed the context that this isn’t about comparing everyone who has a DPOY though. It’s just about Jordan and Lebron. And defensively speaking, only one has DPOY. And to elaborate even further, only one has made the all nba 1st team defense over 10x and only one led the league in steals multiple seasons. Like I said, this is stupid.

[@goatcasthoops]

Respect your opinion, I don’t understand what is stupid about comparing great players and if you listened I said Jordan was easily the better defender but we can’t act as if LeBron didn’t play solid defense and was in the running for DPOY. It’s a surface take but I get it

[@goatcasthoops]

Also Jordan made all defensive first team 9 times not over 10

[@KungFuCooley]

@@goatcasthoops playing solid defense and being an all time great defender are 2 separate things.

[@andrewcook1246]

Bron only having 6 def teams always blows my mind, since he was undeniably an elite defender until at least 2018. And was honestly elite in 2020 when they won the chip... mind you Jordan was making def 1st teams with avg of 5rebs, .5blks and 1.5stls... while we use these stats to say Bron is washed. Bron could guard a Derrik Rose, then a Paul George and then a Marc Gasol. Bron actually lead a finals series in all def stats...

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

Only 5% of the time. He hasn't been putting effort on the defensive for a decade now. And I see David West abusing Lebron in the post as well. I see Steph Curry and Tony Parker making Lebron look silly.

[@andrewcook1246]

@TheDudeAbides1998 I remember Bron holding down Jokic in the Olympics and shutting down DRose and Curry. Crazy.

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

@@andrewcook1246 Curry was getting whatever he wanted on Lebron. It was his teammate that was guarding (Matthew Dellavedova) Curry. . One play doesn't mean you can guard someone. Quite evident when Tony Parker was driving by Lebron as well. And Lebron wanting nothing to do with KD. Remember

[@akwesirobinson1710]

@@TheDudeAbides1998no remember every time curry drove bron blocked it with ease and curry kept asking for screens or passing the ball

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

@@akwesirobinson1710 we are talking about LeBron being overrated on the defensive end. If I'm a LeBron fan, I'd keep my mouth shut especially on his effort right now on the defensive end.

[@19havoc71]

LMAO. SHOW THE VIDEOS OF LBJ DEFENDING CENTERS? 😂😂😂 GUARDING THEM ON A SWITCH A COUPLE TIMES DOESNT MEAN HE CAN GUARD THEM. 😂😂

[@luisvergara6502]

Ma man, stop smoking that crap. Lebron shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as MJ defensively. He's nowhere near.

[@goatcasthoops]

Appreciate the view but this was basically to show how much better Jordan was