LEC playoff preview / T1's perfect split / TSM coach drama - Summoning Insight S5E7 (feat. Odoamne)

Summoning Insight is the premier League of Legends esports talk show and podcast.
Join MonteCristo and Thorin with guest Andrei "Odoamne" Pascu, top laner for Rogue, as they discuss the upcoming LEC playoffs, Rogue's success with their new players Comp and Malrang, why Rogue will win their first title this year, TSM coach Peter Zhang's scandalous departure, T1's perfect 18-0 split, LCK's remote play policies, and more.
This episode was filmed on March 21st, 2022.
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0:00:00 - LCS overview
0:10:14 - T1's undefeated season
0:17:52 - Problems in the LCK
0:36:22 - TSM Four Horsemen preview
0:50:12 - Odoamne intro + All LEC team
1:04:40 - Rogue team discussion and their chances in playoffs
1:25:07 - Thoughts on the long break before LEC playoffs
1:32:54 - Playing with Malrang vs Inspired + match vs Fnatic
1:44:52 - Why did Rogue choose to play vs Misfits?
1:53:23 - Rogue as an org + thoughts on MAD Lions
2:01:52 - LoL esports event formats
2:10:56 - Playoff predictions + top lane discussion
2:22:27 - Should LCS and LEC adopt the LCK schedule?
2:28:36 - Caster errors
2:41:01 - What can Riot do to foster professional female players/talent?
2:48:07 - F1 and Drive to Survive
2:54:38 - Why did you make Grog coin?
2:56:21 - All Pro voting
3:00:40 - Underrated bands and series
3:07:38 - What is your biggest accomplishment?
3:10:04 - How would you decorate an empty wall?
#LEC
#LoLEsports
#LoLPodcast

[@inigorodriguez8299]

LMAO Thorin drinking the Rogue koolaid once again. This is gonna be a nice trainwreck.

[@samueltunnicliffe7012]

I don't know how you manage three hour podcasts but well done

[@MitsuoRLCoach]

I feel for Monte. He's a highly intelligent and respected esports figure, and has been talked down by toxic humans on Reddit. It is unreasonable to sacrifice the integrity of competition. I don't know about you guys, but the high level of competition is THE chief reason I love and follow and watch the LCK. As a fan, it's something that I would never want to be tolerated. Competition is the reason your fans exist.

[@XGifuX]

Fr there are people that talk out of their ass in lol but monte cristo isnt one of them. Dude has been the commissioner of a league and a team owner and LIVED IN KOREA FOR YEARS. People are dogging him like hes phreak rumble at msi.

[@AONTrappy]

Your common western league of legends participant fails to realize or appreciate the angle that Monte has for the game. Edit: this also goes for the crew monte,thoorin,richard. They are able to consistently get every person that matters in the industry to talk to them on the show across genres. If they are not respected they won't be able to get any of these people.

[@deecee7073]

Monte will always be the GOAT for me, the korean hype train was the best lol

[@WisdomInternalized]

@@XGifuX I feel like alot of them are salty TSM fans. They really have it out for Monte and Thooorin

[@marioh.3014]

I just love Odoamne man. He's been my favorite human being in the league for quite a while

[@DurboxX]

The downtime for LEC is because of the rule "every team quilified for the MSI has to play playoffs on same patch as MSI" .... that rule makes a lot of sense for competitive integrity and wouldnt be possible without the pauses as every region has different formats. This is the measure to synchronize them.

[@FMD-FullMetalDragon]

This is a good reason.

[@ruiribeiro3410]

At the same time, they could start the split later, or not have superweeks. The fact they have superweeks makes the break bigger.

[@Lambsbecomeg0ds]

Newsflash. MSI will be on 12.6 or 12.7.

[@Zwijger]

Odo's smile when Thorin did his opening about him was just pure and pure gold.

[@zembleton9789]

Cant wait for the TSM 4 Horsemen

[@Truhno4]

Watched Taboo , fantastic series!

[@connerb9733]

I really like the parallel Monte drew between the NHL experiencing troubles with COVID and not allowing pros to go to the Olympics and having college players go instead, it relates a lot to how the LCK management is failing to handle this situation with teams having to play sub rosters due to COVID and the absolute absence of communication and effective decision making and compromise.

[@aruhtahc]

It's a little bit more nuanced there though. The NHL teams have in the past several years not wanted their players to participate in the Olympics due to the risk of injury outside of the league. Meaning these players would not paid by the team if they were to go compete (though, for example, Russian players would still complete regardless). In this case, removing the built in break benefits the NHL teams and is likely something they will want to keep going forward.

[@doge4855]

I love it so much when you guys talk about F1!

[@abirmahmud2242]

it's true that t1 has a specific formula for winning in this particular meta but that wasn't take anything away from their macro and definitely not micro with how all the players play, so i don't know if they'd suddenly start losing if the meta changes

[@onceph1858]

They literally made semifinals last year at worlds but monti is acting like T1 can't play when the meta changes lol, say that to fpx and ig that literally shit the bed when the world meta changes after winning worlds.

[@silvertigra4117]

Got to semis with a very very young team like facing T1 feels like it's inevitable will happen like I give more value from players than analysts and bruh literally everyone in the world is scared to face or even attempt to face T1 bot and T1 right now doesn't have a clear weakness except them trolling and limi testing if they see a free series just watching from T1 comms they literally acting like a child and everyone wanting a pog so I doubt T1 would get worse considering they are still young and with everyone literally can carry at any point there's not clear weaknesses that can be concrete enough to topple what is T1 right now

[@silvertigra4117]

Got to semis with a very very young team like facing T1 feels like it's inevitable will happen like I give more value from players than analysts and bruh literally everyone in the world is scared to face or even attempt to face T1 bot and T1 right now doesn't have a clear weakness except them trolling and limi testing if they see a free series just watching from T1 comms they literally acting like a child and everyone wanting a pog so I doubt T1 would get worse considering they are still young and with everyone literally can carry at any point there's not clear weaknesses that can be concrete enough to topple what is T1 right now

[@uberhikari]

The thing about T1 is that they're playing these types of comps because these comps are the strongest in the meta. But T1 also have the biggest champion pool in the world. Faker + Keria specifically can literally play anything. And those two are the brains of the team. So as long as they can play anything, then T1 can play any style.

[@belesir8847]

Yeah I don't think they're meta dependent at all, their macro is so insane especially early game. They are the best team I've ever seen at getting tower plates and using herald at the right time.

[@pierce_grossman]

3:10:21 - fire content, I demand more

[@den19852]

They are right, they speak the truth. They don’t work for Riot, show is great keep it up.

[@maskedriderkiva1]

I like how nobody talk about Zeus. This guy is so talented, able to play carry and tank. The amount of time he get Jayce is soooo crazy. Now playoff BO 5 is the real test to see if he is legit

[@jay6065]

Zeus is legit garbage compared to Wayward, I would say Wayward is the best looking top lanner in the world

[@maskedriderkiva1]

@@jay6065 I don’t watch lpl or TES. But I do heard his playstyle is a low eco weak side player

[@jay6065]

@@maskedriderkiva1 watch the tes when lpl playoffs begin in a week, at first i was very skeptical and i bet u are too but this kid is an absolute primal beast

[@maskedriderkiva1]

@@jay6065 Will do so, I believe he started the revival of TES. I was abit sad that Zoom did not work out well for TES.

[@maskedriderkiva1]

@mcchickenz I mean same can be said about shen yi last year. I believe lpl challenger/academy team are pretty good. Same goes for Oner. The guy haven’t even play a full year of lol and made 2 finals lol

[@nickmajora]

How about NA and EU teams are combined for the lock in tournament? That's an easy fit for more international competition.

[@jaybeecaranza9471]

LCK accelerate their tourney because of the Asian Games being held in september and they dont want to postponed that even though they're swarming with covid cases with the team players and TLDR : Asian Games > LCK and Worlds

[@okoupas3075]

no military service is really good for a player value, So I understand why

[@HlebHD]

Thorins point about Bwipo is 100% true. You absolutely need someone else as a security measure basically. Just like theshy had rookie when they both were on their peak. If Bjergsen steps up as we all know he can this team is going to be dangerous even internationally

[@outtrigger]

we actually dont know that bjerg can return to his peak form, he hasnt been that good in so long idk why people think its guaranteed he can do it

[@HlebHD]

@@outtrigger Can you tell me in what part of my comment I indicated that it is guaranteed?

[@CapeSkill]

@@outtrigger he literally said IF.

[@outtrigger]

@@HlebHD you said "we all know he can" which is the part i was refuting

[@HlebHD]

@@outtrigger No you just don't know how to read. I said he has the potential to not that he is certain to reach it again.

[@ph43draaa]

Spit out my drink laughing at the image of Richard Lewis in a panopticon of LoL drama

[@doge4855]

An F1 type circuit schedule in esports would be amazing expecially with the "global champions" type league.

[@Einamu]

2:40:25 to add to this, I am genuinely surprised that for LEC All-Pro Voting IWDominate wasn't even on the list of talent/players/interviewers/outlets that got to vote. Wouldn't be a good idea to have one of the top dog analysts (who we know actually watched every LEC game) to have input into the All-Pro voting?

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

Didn't Bjerg set up all the kills for Bwipo that game?

[@ShoorfLonelyLokly]

"media live and die on narrative" so true. So. True.

[@108noonoo]

Big up Adam Curtis - Hypernormalisation is the best one he has done i think.

[@andreykovachev7002]

Thorin is Larssen your Froggen 2.0 ? :)

[@nosuitsgiven]

Francis Nganou won his last title with a torn ACL. He just had surgery and will be out 9 months. Did you see Doublelift talking about taking the TSM credit card from Leena and going on shopping sprees?

[@kai-takahashi]

2:41:00 fun fact, there's actually a female sub ADC called Shakespeare on Rascal Jester, more or less the second best team in the LJL !!

[@boyanpenev9822]

Way back there was a female player called Electra in LAS. I think she played in Renegades of Hell, Kaos Latin Gamers and Last Kings, either as substitute who had some games or as the main support.

[@Semiazas_TV]

The quest for Jordan is born.

[@cepheus9856]

In MAD vs RGE series, especially game 5, Inspired actually ganked for Odoamne, did more than help Odoamne to succeed, but Odoamne still choked (the entire series against a rookie). Give such a huge lead to a better toplaner and they'll run home with that game. Thats been my problem with Odoamne in playoffs even back in H2k, he doesnt adapt fast enough within a series, new patch or a new champ. How fking obvious was it Armut would keep picking Wukong/Gnar (he was a rookie btw) and Odoamne still couldnt outperform Armut? Reminds me when Soaz gapped Odo in H2k vs OG, then Wunder gapping him in SPY vs H2k, not really able to accept himself he cant weakside (as good as the KR tops in GP vs Gnar match up) in 5 consecutive games. See the pattern of choking in bo5s? Don't blame your jungler or your team, you were the worst player in RGE in Spring finals, own it up. That Spring finals was a clear SOLO LANE gap. This "20 seconds" bs is such a lame excuse from Odoamne choking all those playoffs games, he was just bad even more so in those Jayce games. FNC mentioning ego players in RGE wanting to be a star, picking Jayce and doing nothing, it checks out. Heck, watch Odo's Ornn game and it will blind you how bad he played, so how much more with a carry. He was outperformed by Adam and Armut from individual laning, there was no excuse when RGE even gave him counterpicks. Hans is even middle of the pack in adc resources for both splits, he was last in gold% in Spring playoffs, got put on "cc adc" like Senna/Varus just to provide more utility for Larssen/Odoamne who constantly plays to look like stars on their "Jayce, Lucian, Tristana", taking more resources when they cant carry. Inspired was clear stand out jungler for the entire year HOWEVER, RGE had such a bad pick/ban vs MAD, their read was so shit. They self banned Hans' Jinx (which Carzzy is average on, Hans on Jinx was one of the best games RGE had in playoffs). Then RGE converted Inspired to "Elyoya jr" instead of banning the Udyr/Volibear, Gnar/Wukong to make Elyoya/Armut (take note, rookies) uncomfortable. They allowed the MAD rookies to be comfortable, made Inspired "play a different playstyle" that suits MAD, but not RGE. The best players in RGE, Hans, Inspired and Trymbi were used to bandaid the choking solo lanes, end of story. One cannot really excuse the choking that happened in Odoamne and Larssen, they were the clear worst performers in 2021 RGE playoffs, heck even Trymbi performed better. Take note, Larssen had counterpicks vs Humanoid and Humanoid still fking gapped him to oblivion in lane. Playing Tristana/Lucian and doing fk all? Another point was RGE 2021 couldnt stick to their identity of WEAKSIDE top and MAGE mid cause RGE solo lanes also have their own hubris. If Larssen just stuck with the Ori/Viktor in Spring Finals, RGE might have won at least one more game to become Spring champions.

[@l2p821]

Youre more frustrated than the players themselvs damn (did not read)

[@fspbanana1]

Based

[@OldKingMaple]

I think your missing the point Monte, the Asian Games and winning gold is about bringing glory to South Korea. So it's understandable that Korean companies would sideline their own endeavors to give their country a chance

[@jordanhelton1675]

It's not only that, its also the future of the LCK. If faker can play for 1-2 more years, everyone in the league wins

[@user-nm1jn8hg3d]

Companies couldn't care less about "national glory". That's for individual fans and citizens. It's mainly because winning the Asian Games would bring concrete benefits such as increasing longevity for star players. That would consolidate LCK viewership, which ultimately helps their bottom line.

[@Boad]

F1 podcast when? :>

[@attepietarinen1122]

A little extra info on the NHL not going to the Olympics. The Olympics were part of the collective bargaining agreement between the players association and the league, but the players weren't able to attend the Olympics due to risk of covid regulations and due to the fact that the players owed the team owners billions of dollars.

[@DJ1NS4N1TY]

it was also that the IIHF refused to pay insurance for players who went overseas to play. The owners balked hard because of the possibility of losing someone like Connor McDavid for up to a month if they got sick and had to quarantine in China

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

Make spring playoffs a tourney of all the play off teams of NA vs EU

[@FMD-FullMetalDragon]

This season of professional League of Legends is one giant asterisk as we are witnessing the complete lack of professionalism across the sport. Especially in LCS and LCK.

[@Zwijger]

Yo the food tasting idea would also be brilliant for EU, because there's so many different countries in there already, and just have them taste each others "cuisine" but also include the dishes that don't get exported to other countries. Hell as a Dutch person our local food is somewhere in between American, German and British food. If you think, wait that sounds suboptimal, yes: we have snacks (greasy fastfood snacks), peculiar sausages, potatoes and gravy, fish, it would be so hilarious.

[@sleven8013]

Yeah Taboo is banger. Short and at times nonsensical, but just great period, setting and acting.

[@hgjkhfkfk7566]

Keria legit had 2 games on thresh and 1 on karma

[@Rayon811]

2:41:00 Thinkin emoji

[@ab2aasd]

I refuse to believe that that C9 vs TSM game wasn't Regi cashing in a favor from Jack

[@Millicente]

I respect the opinion of these two gentlemen but I’d also like the perspective of a Korean. Someone on the other side that can go “well ok your NHL did that but they’re not Korean, we’re not them, and we’re not American.” You know, just so it doesn’t entirely make it seem like “we’re level headed and these Asians are just off their rocker.” I’ve learned through living life that as much as you think your world is right, someone else lives in a world seemingly entirely different from yours who feels just as right in their place.

[@Anktor1]

I loved this episode for the information provided but I also love your comment for the alternative view point, I think it's very valid. Maybe in a future episode they can address this, they don't have to ofc but it'd be interesting!

[@Max88188]

I work night shift in NA and LCK time slot is peferct!!!

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

On the entire section relating to the LCK, I feel like all of that should be obvious. I didn't even know any of that, but it seems it should be obvious.

[@RaytheRulerOriginal]

I don't get what's supposed to be so funny about the composition of the painting. Instead of just doing a portrait of a stoic sailor guy steering his ship, the artist turned it into a movie poster where the ship itself is shown in the foreground but from a distant 3rd perspective so you can see the whole ship. Compare it to the Master & Commander movie poster, the poster has a clear break between Russel Crowe and the ship with the title in-between too but the painting is a fairly seamless combination of the two images. I'd say the issue with it is that the sailor looks like a fairly modern day fisherman yet the ship looks just like the one from Master & Commander, so the ship is much too old and fancy to match the simple fisherman.

[@Imasliceyou]

T1 plays that way because that’s what the meta is if the meta changes they change.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

The funny thing is T1 was the one who spear headed this. No one was playing Vex/Ahri (LPL was very late with their patch and LEC/LCS thought ahri was bait). Then look and behold ahri/vex are S tier. T1 was the only team to priortize Jayce. Now other teams are prioritizing Jayce. You can't say oh T1 is playing meta when they are the ones ahead of curve dictating the meta. Teams dropped Lee Sin in favor of xin/Viego/J4/ and Oner played it as if it was S tier. Now teams are priortizing Lee Sin as the best jungler in all regions. That's why they have no merit. T1 isn't modelling some other team (notice LPL picks Galio a ton and T1 hasn't prioritized it one bit) from other regions so no clue what they are talking about.

[@christopherdrakes3381]

The fact that Zhangs grandmother could have needed surgery should never and could never be justification for delaying payments. That money was not there for surgery in the first place. It was never Zhangs to use. It belonged to Swordart. So this argument from Zhang that he was using it for surgery is immoral and unethical.

[@years-gq6dy]

It is in the LCK's best interest to win Asian games so their top players will be exempt from military service and be in the LCK longer. Monte is severely downplaying the importance of the Asian games for LCK. If Korea won 2018 Asian games, we would see Score still play in the LCK.

[@trooper4907]

Untrue, 2018 Asian games weren't an actual meddling category but a demonstration category

[@animesoul167]

As he said tho, it's not a guaranteed win, and some of those players could be LPL players. But the LCK is the region that has changed their schedule for the Asian Games.

[@Zwijger]

@@animesoul167 I have heard it's extremely unlikely that a pro playing in the LPL would represent Korea, maybe someone who has been back for a while would stand a chance, but from what I've heard Rookie for example would be an absolute no go even if he bodies Faker at MSI for example.

[@joey9424]

Do they need to hold trials right now anyways? If things don't change its gonna be zeus, canyon, faker, guma and Keria with oner or kin as subs

[@Zwijger]

I read somewhere there's a rule for only 2 players per team to join at best? Which makes it a lot more interesting if you don't want to break up bot lanes for example.

[@joey9424]

@@Zwijger oh yeah true

[@prawn8536]

I understand bringing up the whole asterisk in T1's case cause yes 3 of their wins were because COVID played a role, BUT it shouldn't take much if anything away because of another team or org's policies on Covid compared to T1's. Joe has been clear that they take less risks and are more strict with it and the players are on board and it shows. No Covid or health issues aside from a staff member scare earlier in the year and that's it. Honestly, how can you fault a team performing at a high level for staying healthy and try to nudge in the "IF'S, BUT's and MAYBE's". They were strict with themselves and performed very well, they deserve to go 18-0 and any asterisk is only for fact's sake, in my opinion. Like yes they were 18-0, but these 3 games were affected in this way because of Covid, just to be clear, kind of thing.

[@Anlich]

Cause its a record which you can't take without a pinch of salt. It's like someone doing a record tournament-winning run with their greatest competitor missing (is it then the greatest torunament run?). T1 reaps the rewards - but in a competitional sense, any idea of this being the greatest LCK run or whatever is compromised. It becomes harder to compare to other leagues and historical results.

[@prawn8536]

@@Anlich Yes, it would still be in the talk for the greatest run. A team cannot be faulted for another team not making it to the tournament (as per your example). If they were there greatest competitor, they should be able to get there or be healthy. I totally understand, but it's not their fault for other teams not being able to discipline themselves (also org staff, cause that can play a crucial role in it all). Will there forever be an asterisk next to it? Most likely, but it's basically unwarranted. When it came to the second match against Gen G, everyone (casters, analysts and players alike) all agreed it didnt matter if Ruler was there or not. The first one might have mattered much more so with 3 subs, but even prior to that, Gen G's chemistry was nowhere near T1's, let's be real. And the Fredit game is just a shitshow. 5 players all getting Covid? You can't even put that in the asterisk, that's just lazy and irresponsible, imo. Personally, I think T1 2-0's Gen G both times cause Ruler wasn't the focal point earlier of his team in the split and only partly in the second half. BUT I totally understand your point and seeing it from that side of things, it just sucks that T1 and their record year get "punished" (reputation of the run-wise) for other teams' laziness or lack of discipline for health concerns in these times. No one bags on Fnatic's perfect run even tho the LEC was hot garbage in 2015. They were stomping a region that outside of them were sub-par, but T1 gets more shit than them. Feelsbadman

[@danielconrad8324]

I just came here to watch them flame TSM.

[@Will12000]

2013 LeBron had every 1st place vote but one for MVP. The one voter was a salty New York media person who hated Lebron. He voted for Melo who didn’t even make all-nba first team. And thus Lebron wasn’t the unanimous mvp

[@robc5051]

TSM will prolly rebuild for Summer with Jensen and less likely, Nisqy and again with Advienne. Could be wrong. We could see Nisqy on MAD for all we know. Ironic if they go with Advienne since they had the abiity to go with Mikyx all along.

[@nightmare_1337]

As an european who has been watching Formula 1 since I was like 4 years old I think that DTS is absolute dogshit and an insult to intelligence. I liked the esports analogy tho.

[@jordanhelton1675]

The thing that Monte doesnt get is that he's saying that LCK league integrity should be over the Asia games. If theres a possibility that the LCK can have Faker and some of their top players for 1-2 more years because they dont have to go to military service over a spring playoffs? Hes out of his mind if he thinks that LCK doesnt care about that shit

[@PBB20]

YEP COG

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

In starcraft 2 there have been Female Challenger players , non of them were particularly outstanding outside of maybe Scarlet. The ones I found could make it to challenger were coached closely by like their brothers and such , but in the same breath I coached my brother so that's not out of the norm. I tend to think that women have other options in life that we men tend to not have or at least consider when were in that "basement dwelling" mode therefore we feel more comfortable wasting time on these imaginary "ranks" and achievements.

[@m4ng4n]

on average, men don't give a fuck if *a lot* of people like them but at the same time have *that one thing* they consider themselves to be *very good* at and take pride in it. For women it's the opposite. Again, on average since nothing socials-related can be said in terms of absolutes, the best we can do is "general tendency". I don't know to what level this is enforced by society but teenagers pretty much do that: women start socializing a whole lot more and men start hard-focusing on whatever it is they decided to be great at. On ranks and achievements being "imaginary", being good at LoL is no less real than being good at football. As with anything, it depends on how much value society assigns to that discipline. Being good at math is laughed upon in latin america but being a great football player makes you pretty much a celebrity in your local area, i'd bet the opposite happens in say, India (talking out of my ass here, i really don't know how much Indians value maths nor football).

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

​@@m4ng4n When I'm talking about imaginary rewards , im not dissing the process , there IS value in becoming Challenger in game. As you said yourself The experience of learning , realizing what kind of discipline one needs to be at top of the leaderboards , is probably invaluable and 90% of the population cannot replicate it. There are Skills you learn that ARE applicable to real life , mainly analysis and Learning approaches, but Nobody really takes on ladder thinking about "developing" discipline and skills. They just want to be "cool" , "wouldn't it be cool if I was one of the best at this game". Ranking for the sake of ranking up is just a carrot on a stick. It has no value. Winning for the sake of winning has no value, Challenger can win against bronze all the time, doesn't mean it's productive.

[@devent7098]

Scarlet wasnt a woman either, just to add

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

@@devent7098 she's a woman, a trans woman is still a woman.

[@devent7098]

@@MicrocosmicExperience at all points in time? I just said wasn't as in past tense, not currently

[@Kjets845]

T1 played vs 4 teams ( 2 were GenG) with covid issues They have no problem with adapting to meta, this team was one game from world's finals Each player has a champion ocean (guarantee they play more champs than nearly any player) They have won games on macro alone, they won't just suddenly become bad at macro if meta shifts. They play their meta style because the meta isn't changing. And it's not even like they haven't mixed it up? They can play through any lane, bully any team and play any weakside at the top of the world.

[@shinobuu__]

Not to mention 1 of those series against Gen.G, the only person who wasnt there was Ruler. Funniest thing about that too was that the person who subbed in for Ruler played better than everyone else on the team.

[@DJ1NS4N1TY]

I wish LCK fans would stop letting the spectre of the 2015 SKT team hang over them. Give some credit to other teams, a team can go 18-0 and still have flaws…

[@shinobuu__]

@@DJ1NS4N1TY its not that they dont have flaws, it's that people are giving them flaws they dont have... Saying they are a one trick team that can only play 1 style while ignoring the fact that they played a completely different style at worlds and were almost 1 game away from finals.

[@DJ1NS4N1TY]

@@shinobuu__ ok but how is that applicable ? this is not the same team from 2021

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@DJ1NS4N1TY You should probably re-read what they are saying. You don't seem to understand their point at all.

[@jannikostermann9821]

I can't understand why Monte is praising Drive to Survive so much if he said he watched F1 last year. Sure, the first three seasons as a whole were good, but this last season was absolute crap. They didn't even try to represent reality. Random radio put in out of context, straight up getting facts wrong on who finished where at what race, not even including the moments with the most hype (how the hell they didn't include Alonso's defense baffles me). Just all around crap this season. Stop ignoring the elephant in the room Monte.

[@Anlich]

They never tried to represenent reality. They always used out of contexts radio and quotes, got facts wrong, made weird cuts and didn't include alot of crucial events. The difference is that this season was packed compared to the other and they failed to tell their substories and give due to the hype overall story of the championship.

[@jannikostermann9821]

@@Anlich It's true that they never tried to represent reality, but literally everyone last year was saying Netflix must be having a field day at every race since there were so many storylines, so much action, so much hype. All they had to do was pick a few races, build up the context and voilà, job done. But no, they somehow messed up what was arguably the best year of F1 ever, certainly the best in decades. It's as if they gave an intern who had never heard of F1 before the job.

[@jannikostermann9821]

@@Anlich I mean I'm definitely being a bit harsh, but that's only because I was looking forward to this season of DtS so much, considering the quality of races last year. What a letdown.

[@Kbognoy]

Fredrick Breon will come back next season. Mark my words.

[@Kbognoy]

We will have #BROCULTURE at worlds!

[@triplesharigan]

@ Monty F1 is a fysicly very demanding you wouldn't be able to drive it due to insane g-forces pulling on your neck in the corners. The physical element is one reason why you dont see female drivers, the other is getting sponsors as a female drivers in lower cathegories is brutally hard and unless daddy has a lot of money ur not racing without one. Jamie Chadwick (one of the best female drivers) did some practice sessions in F1 as she was waaayy of her teammate.

[@Adonna2424]

A bunch of female Nascar drivers but idk the g-force difference between the two besides F1 would be harder.

[@triplesharigan]

@@Adonna2424 i believe the (could be wrong) depending on the track g forces up to 9 or 10 can be experienced during an f1 race. It also the reason why drivers have an incredible strong and thick neck.

[@Adonna2424]

@@triplesharigan gtk thanks!

[@triplesharigan]

@mcchickenz hinestly there are competitive female drivers that win races against male counter parts that would join f1 in the future, their biggest problem is funding. Karting is expensive as is, but going into F4 - F3 - F2 is insane. As girls dont get backing from sponsors (even when they clearly show talent) they almost really get the chance to compete and prove themselves in these lower cathegories and that imo is the biggest issue.

[@aoh4905]

2018 Asian Games didn't count for a gold medal. Even if Korea won they would still have to join the military.

[@MattsMusicMedleys]

Thoorin, I'm a Scottish ginger similar to a northern ginger? I know you know it's because he's ginger that he gets all the hate xD

[@kili3117]

I kinda see the argument for Larssen getting a higher rating, but by the same argument Malrang does not deserve to be 1st team over Jankos

[@ShoorfLonelyLokly]

People don't know how to properly treat their money/income. There are so many people out there with this problem, like holy shit. If at least 1/4 of those people started doing something half decent with their extra money, we could've been living on the moon right now. And I'm not even talking about overly rich people who can throw 100k$ around on a daily basis in USA. In other countries its even more obvious. I live in a country where 400$ a month is okay. We have people who get 5000$ a month and they have like 5 different cars parked outside their apartment. Why? What for? And they're living in an apartment with two rooms, for example. They have proper clearly visible ways to make their own life better, yet they're buying yet another car.

[@Zwijger]

F1 also has the problem, even compared to esports, of arbitrary scoring. In league you win a game if the enemy nexus explodes, and you can have seasons and tournaments based around this factuality. The only thing that could be unfair are bugs resulting in chronobreaks or remakes which have to be done on things that are ultimately not quantifiable perfectly. In F1, the scoring system is ultimately made up, and you can lose or gain points in the competition by dropping out of a race through no fault of your own if an enemy teams driver hits you, or there is a problem with the wheel gun release because of the timer they added, or because a safety car allows someone on a different tire strategy get closer to you for free, or who stayed out on the same strategy a faster pitstop. It's entertaining but I feel you can't take the championship THAT seriously, hell Lewis almost won last year because he had more luck up till that point, then he lost because suddenly the luck turned to Max again (who I do think deserved it more overal, but still it's just so arbitrary)

[@cokula97]

Regarding the F1 analogy about female drivers, there simply wast a competitive enough female racer in the feeder series that lead to F1, there were a couple that drove the F2 championship but didnt do good enough to win or even conted for the championship. On the physical side of thing the problem is sustained lateral G forces over 5g that resault in a huge downfall of pace during the race in even profesional racing drivers of other series, when they do a practice run in a F1 car, all F1 drivers have unebilably thick necks...

[@angelogarbo9769]

Monte is a lowkey T1 hater. why? at his point of view, he thinks that T1 can't adapt to meta changes. T1 is also damn good at macro plays. If the opponent wins the lanes. T1 will just win the macro. they don't sacrifice something without return. and even if you look at the game state and felt like they are losing. T1 is still ahead in gold. So why so negative against T1? dude, they just made history.

[@Zwijger]

huehue making history in a split where teams were constantly sick or recuperating from covid. "none of those teams could've beaten them even at full strength" not how statistical probability works.

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

he's probably just being critical of them because he's actually a fan of T1. He's just seen them crumble so many times in the recent years that he's hesitant to praise them, sadly.

[@PabloLopez-tz2zq]

TheShy/Zeus Canyon Rookie/Faker Viper Keria / Holly fuck!!

[@Adonna2424]

Thanks Monte for discussing the LCK scene and sorry that the league community has targeted you yet again, for stupid reasons. Overall, a great episode and I will definitely check out Adam Curtis! The female portion was pretty...oof though, but it's not an easy topic to tackle. I'm a Millennial and I've been playing video games since I was six. I've noticed the numbers increasing over the years but the reason why I think there are so few female pro leagues, is because it's not profitable and the extreme harassment/violence/pressure. It is nice to see more game companies sponsoring female Twitch streamers but again, it's because the industry sees them not as fantastic gamers (which they are) but more for the sex appeal. I don't think it will improve until culture stops viewing women as sex objects, inferior, etc. and treatment is improved.

[@xendranara7121]

It’s so fucking bizarre listening to monte getting pissed nobody wanting to make a public stance abt the Asian games and then going off to talk about having resolved issues behind closed doors.

[@litensnubbe9516]

TSM just better without a coach x)

[@RApollos107]

It is a little frustrating to constantly hear people discredit Misfits Spring Split performance(i.e. Monte calling their comeback wins "fraudulent"). They absolutely earned that 3rd spot. Obviously their the weakest team on paper of the Top 4. But acting like they shouldn't be there is annoying to constantly hear.

[@Zwijger]

But if he's saying their comebacks were fraudulent, that matches up with your opinion that they are the weakest of the top 4, as the comebacks were against G2 and Fnatic. I haven't heard him say they are looking weaker than XL or Vitality either.

[@rolydio]

We dont want to see EU vs NA, its EU vs EU anyways.