Ledge Pressure Guide - Smash Ultimate

[@KirianLara]

Me: Ok, let's use those useful tips I saw for ledge traping! My brain: *Go off stage and try to spike*

[@giygaswashere2808]

Relatable

[@Gaareth_]

I mean why even play smash if you don't go for spikes, that's like the most fun you'll have when playing the game.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

I can relate. Ma boi Greninja's edgeguarding tools are so good I just can't resist going in and firing a random special to either push them too far to recover with Up-B or Neutral-B or just blow them to smithereens on the spot with Side-B and Down-B.

[@The1uptriforce]

Love getting those with Mario 💪 immediately go for the grab and throw into a spike it never gets old that punch of his is so satisfying to land

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

@Hawking Chair And when you main someone like Falco, Cp. Falcon, Mario, or mai boi Greninja, going for the spike (or semi spike, your preference) is beyond mandatory in our eyes. When there is someone offstage, we get an inexorable killer instinct. We just KNOW how and when to time it to intercept their recovery, and send them to the pits of hell.

[@ahmedfalahy9337]

Tfw you recognize ledge guarding is essentially playing *Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock* with the opponent

[@BigCowProductions]

Hahaha it totally is!

[@Chan0art]

or you play rob and place your top at ledge and murderize everything

[@KnishG]

broke: ledge guarding is like rock paper scissors woke: all of smash bros is like rock paper scissors

[@HolyCrepe]

@@KnishG it really is lol

[@pouks]

you can react tho

[@novelgiani]

I'm trying to ledge punish, but I keep staying on the top platform of Hyrule Castle. How to fix? Thanks.

[@art1637]

EpicxOfficial there is no way to escape the top platform. Only option is to choose a different stage.

[@rakiyt3876]

Use snake to missile them and camp the shi t out of then

[@Magic_Ice]

When you face that Snake/Link main, make sure to use one of your bans on Hyrule Temple

[@kaptainyl1509]

Dont play hyrule castle

[@tobimakkura]

Try switching to Peach, then just YEET some shit

[@TroyIsLyco]

Me and my opponent are at our final stocks. What should I do? *Bananaboy uploads* Let me take this L real quick

[@danyogurt1667]

pause button be like: I exist ya know

[@mylesfr0mn0where8]

@@danyogurt1667 not online

[@Juggleboy]

Fantastic video! I like how you brought up Zero and Mr. R, they are great examples of people who were masters at the ledge in smash 4. And you brought up a good point with the timing, opponents often don't mix up their timing at all, and if you can catch on to that you will have a much easier time!

[@BrokenKeyboard14]

Juggleboy ❤️ you

[@Sickmmaner]

Good to see that pro players speak in full sentences.

[@ElliotTPham]

Step 1: Belmont Step 2: Congratulation

[@aerophile8372]

congration you did it

[@manuelbarbosa5797]

Aerophile *done

[@flowtr2]

Coagulation you won

[@autumn4442]

you're winner

[@GimR]

Great video. Heads up, it's pretty much impossible to react to ledge jump

[@bruce4139]

Not if u keep your head up

[@jannemeyer8134]

Or if you counter it with a get up attack

[@musique-ef3rz]

Or if you main cloud

[@joshuamorales1095]

Cloud would be that dude in that situation.

[@CornCamp]

Bruh, I'm the only guardianoftheledge around these parts.

[@mrasray7622]

Your pfp is the most -cursed- blessed thing I’ve ever seen -fuck you- thank you guardianoftheledge, very cool

[@CornCamp]

@@mrasray7622 you haven't even seen what I cropped out.

[@Sickmmaner]

GuardianOfTheLedge DM me on discord Sickmmaner#2185

[@grenadesniper5576]

Mii Gunner is Very deadly for ledge trapping, as Neutralb bomb forces an opponent to drop, or climb, and if you have Flame pillar, it FORCES an opponent to drop, making it the easiest to predict what they'll do

[@chrono4489]

Danm I really love your vids man its what i look forward to every monday and wow its always so well made you think this guy has an editor

[@lukinhaasmendonca2687]

7:58 Yoshi: *gets koopa* Me: YES! POWERUP INCREMENTA- Yoshi: *spits koopa*

[@raimbowdash360]

dude, I love your videos. They help me with the stuff I need and aren’t like those crappy improvised guides that zero does, but they’re not super complex like beefy smash dudes. It’s a perfect in between that I love. Thanks so much!

[@thoet7270]

Something I do often with Lucina is running towards the ledge and baiting a roll (or attack, but mostly rolls). Before they actually start the animation I step back and charge F-smash. Works wonders on people who are stressed. Also, because her f-smash hits behind the ledge, I sometimes just stay still and move moments before the invincibility wares off and strike.

[@noahtucker8491]

If youre playing quickplay with a character with a counter, sit at getup attack range and dont shield. Just counter. Works every time (until it doesnt).

[@waterwithoutanyice6475]

Hey man, thanks for making these great videos, i first got into smash in ultimate so i didnt know much but thanks to you ive found my main and learned the terms, your tutorials are so simple and great

[@Hyrulistic]

I like how we get glimpses of your taste in music: 3:13 - "lo fi hip hop radio" 4:26 - "John Denver - Take me Home, Country Road

[@mrasray7622]

A thing to note is that there are certain moves that cover getups better than others a little thing i like to do as little mac is to start charging neutral-b at the ledge when the opponent grabs it it can cover: •Get-up attack:almost all of them do less than 8%,so mac can just armor through most of them and hit •get-up roll:little mac can just reverse neutral-b And catch it even if you didn’t expect it •jump get up:Little mac can easily catch ledge jump by shield-cancelling neutral-b then immediately using up-b Oos since it has so much vertical range and is so fast(frame 3) •Ledge stall: he can shield-cancel neutral-b into down-smash once invincibility ends •Neutral get-up:he can shield-cancel neutral-b into down-tilt>aerial side-b or f-tilt since both are safe And sometimes he can cover ledge falling if the oponent doesn’t have any move that passes through macs armor; Also,all of these kill :)

[@thomasdove9456]

As a Shulk main, speed mode does wonders.You can stay at roll distance, and use Fair/Nair to catch neutral get-up,attack, and jump to an extant.One can also possibly get in a grab instead.

[@somebodylikesbacon1960]

If you stand right next to the ledge as piranha plant you can hold a spike ball and getup attack will drop the ball, jump will jump into it, and you can throw it to center stage on roll. Covers a lot of options.

[@bagel4943]

I generally find that I am usually unpunished by getup attacking at people who hang out closer to the ledge, neutral getup in those "He’s gonna roll!" moments, and rolling in those "He’s gonna neutral getup!" moments. I have still gone unpunished.

[@Snowfs]

>watch high level play of your character me: plays mii brawler ok thanks, I hate it

[@garretttordo1380]

Not "high" level per se but look up LeeT. He's a brawler from Mass who's been fucking us up at weeklies since smash 4 and has lots of sets online

[@senatorlight027]

Mii too man

[@TanookiToadTeam]

Super helpful video dude! I can totally relate when it comes to the timing of your get-up options. When I take a bit more time than usual sometimes it completely turns the stock again and I end up getting control of the match again. I also need to shield more on the ledge it seems as I am often what you'd call a "sitting duck" haha. Looking forward to the shield pressure video for sure. :)

[@Frilleon]

Didn’t talk much about hanging on ledge or how to time 2 frames. I could use some tips for those to things. Thanks

[@shieldlesscap6124]

Hanging on ledge you can punish with a move that hits below the ledge 2-framing requires practice, that’s it

[@chickensseeall]

What doesn't require practice? Specifics would be nice

[@shieldlesscap6124]

chickensseeall your best options to 2-frame are DTilt and Dair, practice landing those moves. There’s no secret to it other than get down the timing.

[@shieldlesscap6124]

Miraç C. Idk why I was thinking for Falcon since I’m trying to get better at 2-framing for him. Generally though yeah it depends on what character you’re using.

[@Alvaro1o1]

Shieldlesscap I can’t get the height to stay near ledge what do you press this is literally like the only skill I can’t do

[@Domnom22]

As ike or some Mii swordfighters, you can charge sideB a little bit away, just far enough that it catches roll, and it will also catch neutral and attack, sometimes drop, and if you're smart enough, jump. this also baits roll often.

[@pendalink]

It has been shown in a research environment that you react to things you expect much faster than if you're unsure. And no surprise, one can practically feel the difference in how one's mind handles those situations with and without confidence

[@thewishingwell930]

I think you deserve so many more subs. Your tutorials are so easy to follow and have a good balance of jokes to serious shit. I hate searching through 80 vids of top level players with complicated explanations and then just dumb meme videos

[@JJRicks]

4:31 Take me home, country roads. Quality song choice my dude, and excellent video! I'm trying to improve my technique at this game, and I'm not all that good. 😁

[@jackhammer4499]

Your video is older and shorter yet more informative than Proguide's on the same subject. Well done.

[@BroadswordMedia]

Thanks for this guide! There are a lot of strategies here I just never thought of.

[@Snowballsage]

3:29 it’s because instead of reacting to the roll, you just have to react to them start moving

[@MushroomGiant67]

Great vid keep up the good work! These vids have helped me improve so much!

[@Alphajet101]

Really like the tutorial!! I suggest you up the volume next time :p

[@jehutyinp]

Thanks so much. I find im aware of the basics of most important mechanics but never mastered them. So this is a really good reminder how i can improve my results

[@caden8428]

Bold of you to assume that I know how to roll, or do like any combo, or how to space, or that I shield more then once per match, or that I have any competence in doing anything more then attacking.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Or you can be ganon and up smash for all options

[@SnekEater]

DORYAH

[@rysingdragoon8735]

@@SnekEater nah, up smash is HAH

[@Yomia1488]

Except ledge attack

[@LonelyMatt]

Or ike

[@IamNster]

also ftilt is real good to keep them at ledge

[@anthonymarcos9477]

These crash course videos are always so helpful

[@Vika-xc6wt]

Thank you for this vid, I’ve been having trouble with ledge pressure in this game

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

My favorite is an offstage Shadow Sneak. Stand on the ledge, jump offstage and charge a Side-B. It won't matter what you do, you WILL get hit if the Greninja times it right, assuming he didn't just catch you with any of his godlike edgeguarding specials and aerials before you even got to the ledge.

[@rylanmarkowsky3390]

I got this from Izaw smash but another safe getup option is to drop away from the stage, jump back on and land with an aerial. This won’t always work but it’s good for mix ups and safe most of the time for low-mid level play.

[@hassunkhan9448]

4:15 Ness: Am I a joke to you?

[@Ahahashir]

I think Ness' PK fire will only go into the multi-hit state if it hits someone. Unlike Robin and The Belmonts where it will automatically do so.

[@michaelgillespie8097]

How to ledge trap: Play R.O.B., Diddy, Kirby, Dedede, or K. Rool. Even if you fudge it you've got a good chance of making it back to the stage playing these characters.

[@tylerlawson1267]

This is really helpful. It really helped me start to pay attention to my opponent. Can you make a part 2 of this explaining more advanced ledge trapping tech?

[@seanpaints]

Wow how did I not realize this myself lol. Great video

[@AmeButCool]

I now realize that I don't think I have ever gotten back on stage without immediately holding down shield throughout all of brawl, smash 4, and ultimate.

[@raleo7466]

Robin's ledge getup= fucking arcfire their shield and then roll, gotta love the safe usage of fire

[@respectfulduck]

When you watch every banana boy smash video : yeah this is big brain time

[@ngstop2603]

I drop off as piranha plant, most newbies don’t do anything offstage so I can get a free down b, and typically a pass back onstage, as when they dodge it you can recover

[@neidenMetalun]

Finally an outro song that is ok to listen at at 5 am without headphones

[@Nokyyyyy]

_Edgeguarding with piranha plant when you are the one edgeguarded_

[@DandaMan2022]

*While playing Ivysaur* -Bold of you to assume they can recover

[@Vlaffffy]

Ayyyy, my fav Ssbu youtuber.

[@sebrina7417]

K rool and incinaroar down smash jump up into the air shifting their hurtbox, you can use this to bait out a get up attack

[@lasatar6428]

When ledge trapping, I might dashdance around the general vicinity of the ledge and wait for them to try an option. If they do a regular getup or a roll, dash attack or dash grab can usually punish. If they jump, a shorthop Nair or Fair might get them. Usually I'll just jump offstage and try to gimp them tho.

[@blopblep1179]

depending on character dash attack is not an optimal punish at low percents

[@lasatar6428]

Good thing I tend to play characters with good dash attacks then

[@markcarls1896]

Never thought I'd see Lucky Star and Rocky Balboa right next to each other in a video before.

[@skipperpig7776]

Love your vids! Keep it up!

[@TheGabrlmed]

5:50 Huh, I tend to use Getup attack a lot myself even though I'm pretty new.

[@pendalink]

tbf it's used the least because it should be. Of course, that makes it less expected, but not much better an option since it can be covered on reaction alongside something actually expected in a lot of situations (holding shield as well as dash back to cover roll or an aggressive drop-off option, to name some big ones).

[@pabloarranz3626]

I use it kinda often too but generally after my opponent does something near the ledge and I think I can hit them with getup attack. But it should really be the least used option

[@GhengizKanye]

ive always heard my little mac edge pressure is intense, i still dont know why im maining him or what im even doing right but its working

[@lexavul]

Such a great tutorial, easy to understand!

[@Epic0722]

Me (sleeps during the vid) my vid in the morning A robot that squirts monster at me

[@yadajoku]

I have no idea if it's good, but using Martha/ Lucina, if you're stuck in the ledge area, you can use your UpB to sort of hit them through the stage and quickly get back to the stage

[@bobjeezorham7658]

Real talk, I feel pretty dumb that I didn't know I can jump for ledge recovery. The "strategy" of just holding on a s u c c move until your opponent recovers used to always work on me, but now that I know that I can jump I think it may help me out.

[@Xnerdz1]

Damn, I didn't even know I could roll of the ledge... I got some serious training to do!

[@gravyhippo]

Xnerdz it makes the world of difference

[@Xnerdz1]

Yeah, it does indeed.

[@TheGreenAzumarill]

Anyone who plays Greninja, what do you suggest for ledge pressure? I'm curious what other people like to do.

[@TheRealFerum]

Hey guys. Pacman main here. For all my pacman's just grab them

[@rawtrout007]

i hate going against pac men i always get my ass kicked

[@freddyfontan476]

when you predicted the top 5 low-mid level players fav get up options, that’s literally me in that exact order lolol

[@karonsimmons4911]

how to shield pressure step 1: get a charhictar with decent jabs step 2: H O L D T H E J A B B U T T O N STEP 3: w8 4 the NME sheild 2 break or untill they releas shield 4 the jabing

[@kvltizt]

*mashes stick forward over and over on jab* *gets frame 1 invincible shield stun cancel roll* *c stick into your back*

[@lorelodahweirdos2ndchannel309]

This from now that the pikachu jab legend was born,but more seriously his jab is really decent and still has knockback but don’t covers all options so you gotta be sure of the enemy’s pattern to down smash if he rolls or thunder if he jumps

[@zymormauti3426]

4 vids without "let's go bananaboy"

[@bbenkkuu]

BananaBoy do you have your own discord server?

[@whitenoiseforsleepingandmo3367]

I missed this one yesterday, I'm hitting that Bell rigth now

[@AndrewsWideWorldofGaming]

Oof. That Zero comment hasn't aged well as of today.

[@signalfound4641]

They might get away with jumping Snake mains: let me stop you right there

[@tamsinsandrielle]

Thank you for this video! Thanks for your time and your work :)

[@Kotaneth]

Get up attack and roll are definitely the 2 most common choices

[@blackstyle28]

Awesome video, super helpful. Thank you

[@dillanmatney9958]

How-to ledge pressure hmm *thinks of main King Dedede* sounds legit. He's the King for a reason

[@olliegrant5375]

as ganon i find that people often underestimate the endlag of my smash attack so i bait with a "misfired" smash attack then immidietly do another to catch them getting up after the first for a punish.

[@dolos_kuroshoe]

This was super helpful. Thank you.

[@ClwkInstnct]

Another way to bait your opponent when you're on the ledge is to let go of the ledge by pressing down right to a 45 degree angle on your movement stick, then jumping and attacking

[@samufinland5765]

Ok, so hold shield and then spam Villager's slingshot at the general direction of the opponent, got it

[@TheStellarJay]

I play DeDeDe and I pretty much always use his up gordo/down smash ledge trap. I use it pretty much every time and don’t often get punished, should I stop?

[@ehwick8175]

Ledge pressure eh? ZSS: Hold that ledge while I take over center stage.

[@videogamemusic2962]

I only just realised that all the koopalings are the same size. That means that Roy and Morton are the same size as lemmy

[@elijahmuller5041]

Just use pac man’s fire hydrant and put it directly on the ledge.

[@slipknotfya]

How would you approach my options if a Lucina with shield breaker was in the ledge?

[@Sickmmaner]

You're fucked

[@slipknotfya]

@@Sickmmaner it does feel like it. My friend mains Lucina and it's honestly so enfuriating Bayo cannot edge guard her. Lucina's up b is so bullshit when clinging to the edge. It has a massive hitbox and snaps instantly. Then you can't cover get up options cause of that damned neutral b.

[@Andy-hz2ef]

Pedro García Yeah, Lucina is one of the meta in both Smash 4 and Ultimate.

[@magnusmights2265]

This video really helped me get better

[@Mattyice402]

Tips for heavy characters! Particularly for Bowser/Gannon? Keep up the good work

[@EmC_PlusR]

For gannon just side B them

[@jsegarra144]

Bowsers fire breath is always good for extra dmg on your opponents way to the stage. Fair stuffs jump attacks and kills ay high %. If you try to guard low and they jump over you, utilt them out of the air. Utilt also kills at high %

[@panther1247]

iLoveBac0n Great tips as a bowser pickpocket but one thing i want to criticize is that his fire breath has a lot of lag afterwards. It isnt worth it because opponents still have invicible frames when they get to the ledge. It leaves you wide open for a get up attack but its great for pressure if their Up b isnt instant (i.e. Lucina and marth’s up b, palutena)

[@MELFOR64]

I like that your a yoshi main

[@sernexx9124]

You deserve more subs man!

[@DarkThomy]

When you're little mac, have a frame 1 jab and usually win the ledge trap pressure by normal get up jabbing.

[@drekthgrek5896]

Or just SD, that works too.

[@drekthgrek5896]

We gettin’ that buff soon though!

[@xavierx9851]

Hey BananaBoy, can you do a video on how to punish effectively after your opponent messes up? I haven't seen anything that's super great on KZbin covering the topic.

[@teddythodo3302]

Hey hopefully you reply to this. A nice redditor referred you to me. My question is that there are a lot of players who apply ledge pressure by doing all sorts of different timed jumps and double jumps along with short hops, in hopes to catch you with a bair or fair. It happens to me every single time and I don’t know how they’re nailing me every time. I try mixing my recovery. I try mixing the timings of my recovery. But at times I feel like ledge drop, and any and all of my recovery options, I’m just toast. I don’t see many pro higher level players do it. It’s mainly on public arena in glorious level lobbies. I never see it talked about or taught anywhere. They constantly do this and I want to learn it, because I’m positive this is the next step in order to improve and raise my skill level. They do a little jump, double jump and weave left to right in the air, and wait for that perfect moment to hit to me. They’re in the air, while I attack from ledge. They fair me as soon as I jump from ledge. They back air me if I neutral get up. Roll literally is asking to take your stock. And get up shield just isn’t good enough. Their jumps are too sporadic and so much pressure. Unless I completely suck, maybe I’m missing something important here.

[@roarkviolet1912]

teddy thodo try and time their jumps, what you want to do is either time an aerial from holding away then jumping back to catch them before the peak of their jump as they won't be able to fastfall to get their aerial to hit and any aerial they do throw out will be weak and have low priority, if this doesn't work mix up ledge jumps by cancelling a ledge jump with a waveland(airdodge onto the stage asap) then punish by forcing an unsafe option on shield and responding with an oos usually a nair or your fastest oos option

[@wooben6110]

I feel like I'm dum for bringing this up but do you think you could do a video on how to play on Battlefield stages? For some reason the platforms keep screwing me up

[@runterranger7398]

Practice movement and falling through platforms so you can land your attacks if someone is below a platform. And practice abusing the platforms when you are juggling.

[@wooben6110]

Thanks for the tip!

[@thegamerfrominside]

but i love juggling though. Win or juggle? i choose juggle.

[@michaelgillespie8097]

It really do be like that sometimes. A few months ago, when I wasn't even very good at smash, I didn't know how to kill, so I just juggled until an up air or throw happened to kill.

[@damiangarcia4658]

What if my opponent is a link and he just goes under and around the stage?

[@reeceulf]

Roll is number 1, baby.

[@xirom-moksum]

About the Rolling thing: Yes there is Science to back this up. Vermanubis talked about this in his video about reacting.

[@blopblep1179]

I don't play Greninja but I've watched quite a bit so I'll speculate OoS options on reaction from ledge: (not an ideal position) Neutral: Grab, possibly DTilt. Roll: Grab, DTilt, Dash. (NB remember what Banana said about rolling) Jump: Nair, Uair, USmash, UpB if you like cheese Attack: Grab, DTilt, maybe even UTilt or a raw smash if you're fast enough or parry and they're slow enough DDJ (drop, double jump): Ftilt, Fair, parry into Utilt/Usmash/an aerial or run to catch their landing and grab/dtilt Hang: IDK, perhaps Dtilt will catch them. OoS options from between ledge and roll spot: (much better position) Neutral: Grab, Dtilt, Ftilt is probably too slow. Honestly not a whole lot Greninja can do. Roll: Grab, Dtilt, buffered Nair/Bair maybe Jump: Any aerial, USmash, UB if you like cheese Attack: see above DDJ: see above Hang: see above Option Selects, Baits, and More: -From ledge, FT backwards then charge pivot DSmash to cover neutral, roll, and maybe attack if you're spaced properly and they do not have a disjoint. -TH will probably bait a ground option instantly. -BFHFF aerial can cover jump but will be pretty late to other options except slow attacks. -Run off Bair can cover anything but roll if you time it right. -I don't know intimately how WS works, but if you IR to any option and you're spaced properly a FC might hit them except probably roll. Sorry i couldn't be of more help. Definitely check out some top level players who know what they're doing. Greninja players in the comments feel free to correct me.

[@genericworm2346]

Best way to ledge trap 1) Fight Belmont 2) Win

[@thingstowatchwhendoingthin6074]

Have we decided that waveland from ledge is not a good option?

[@RumbleRish]

Great video very helpful!!

[@CroqueNWO]

Thank you for this guide!!!