The History of TF2’s Dustbowl

The Dustbowl we know and love today is not the Dustbowl that once was. This video explores three historic versions of this infamous TF2 map dating all the way back from Team Fortress Classic in 1999, to Pre Fortress 2 (a mod that bridges the gap between TFC and TF2), to Team Fortress 2.
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This video is inspired by fellow TF2 KZbinrs BaconBlitz and KromTheGod:
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Song used in the video: [ULTRAKILL OST] Take Care

[@LEDs]

THANK YOU GUYS FOR 200 SUBSCRIBERS! HUGE MILESTONE! Let's keep going and see where this channel can go!

[@C.A._Old]

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[@brandonjohnson4121]

You gained 4 more subscribers, including myself, in the time it took me to watch the video. Nearing 300 within another day. Keep up the work.

[@LEDs]

@@brandonjohnson4121 I know, I still don't know how to process this, but I will absolutely follow your advice and keep working hard to put out interesting stuff!

[@jacobpukallus7677]

You have found the algorithm. every map from tfc that made it to tf2, make a video on. this is an amazing video idea, and myself and others would definitely want to see more.

[@LEDs]

@@jacobpukallus7677 I will absolutely do at least one more video of this type. I’m glad you enjoy it! 😀

[@himynamewaz]

I like how you show footage, instead of just using images. It give us a full view of what it used to look like. Also. May I suggest you make a vid about huge difference between original maps, and their modern counterpart’s

[@LEDs]

I will strongly consider it. You’re not the only one to suggest this.

[@C.A._Old]

@@LEDs It's Best Legendary Ever ! All Of Times !

[@immortalsun]

*counterparts

[@Dr_Dan_]

10:10 this thing is for grenades, so you need to be more precise when you throw em. or they will fall into this gap and deal no damage

[@LEDs]

Thanks for letting me know what those are

[@alface935]

Oh Thats Actually a Good Idea Since In TFC All 9 Classes Have Grenades

[@realdragon]

My first thought was demoman pipes

[@norbertbubiek5655]

7:32 Those bags in Pre-Fortress are replenish armor, on your hud you can see that scout has 25 armor. Once you have no armor, you can pick it up to fully replenish your armor 11:29 The buckets replenish trowables, for example grenades

[@jaysbadatgaming]

I like how instead of modifying the map drastically, they blocked off passageways instead

[@raphaelclado8153]

At 6:44 you need tfc demoman's detpack to destroy the wall. There are also other places in the other parts where you can destroy the wall with the detpack.

[@LEDs]

Thank you, you’re the only one who’s told me this!

[@spiderm4n]

That's incorrect. Demoman can't open any passages on dustbowl, they open automatically after 5 minutes.

[@spiderm4n]

@@LEDs You also missed the upper tunnel at the first sage in TFC's dustbowl, they also open automatically after 5 minutes.

[@EmperorPrinc3]

The one thing I miss from TFC was the flank routes with destructible environments. CTF_Well had flanks like that. Same with CP_warpath which the TF2 community brought over from TFC. And had the destructible flank in TF2.

[@SharfKnows]

kinda sus

[@heavenandhello6629]

4:30 In 2007, there used to be a bug of where you would be able to build a tele exit VERY close under that ladder that would be used to trap your team. It was very funny. But it’s still possible for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the 2007 version of the game and it never got updated for 15 years unlike the pc version.

[@IPWNNOOBSALLDAY-l3e]

also on the orange box dustbowl doesnt have those stairs on the choke hallway part right across from that spawn hole on dustbowl stage 3

[@heavenandhello6629]

@@IPWNNOOBSALLDAY-l3e my other comment is right on top of this comment that said it doesn’t have the stairs either. You didn’t read that one. Or look even more in the comments. That’s how you’re gonna know that I already knew that

[@joetheratgoon6439]

Hi gearlion

[@heavenandhello6629]

@@joetheratgoon6439 how’d you know I was here?

[@joetheratgoon6439]

@@heavenandhello6629 a little birdie told me

[@Xhepyxopila]

11:35 Fun fact, because they're based off older builds of the game, the Orange Box console versions for PS3 and XBox 360 don't have that staircase Every modded Dustbowl server I joined always had a diagonal ladder prop put there as a replacement

[@LEDs]

Somebody else mentioned that too. Crazy how Orange Box is like that

[@BoxOfKrabs]

Also the second exit for BLU spawn on stage 2 wasn’t there for the PS3 and 360 version

[@scorpiosystem8082]

something to note about TFC is that, on the whole, classes were faster, more mobile, and had more weapons and tools to navigate maps and overcome chokes (Scouts could outrun sentry turning speed, for example). Dustbowl is still very chokey even for TFC but other maps like 2Fort were much less egregious than they look

[@mistadip42]

I like how instead of just removing the old areas in TF2 they fenced them off instead. It’s the small things that make a game great

[@asenvelkov301]

That was interesting, I've never seen the Pre-Tf2 dustbowl somehow, even after 4K hrs of gameplay. Overall it was pleasant to watch! Hope your channel has a bright future.

[@LEDs]

Thanks man. I’ve got a couple more dustbowl-related map videos in consideration right now

[@RichterOvertime]

Really cool video idea. Wonder if we'll ever see any of the maps from TF2 Invasion

[@stoodle511]

oh wow, hello there

[@riseoftheepicscout454]

invasion was interesting ngl also i like ur vids

[@somerandomguyintheinternet]

Ayo rich

[@a_creatorsstuff17]

Many of the classic version routes that you say are not present are actualy there, you see them via no clip, and thats cuz Demoman has a explosive bag that can blow up the wall to open those shortcut routes for the attackers It took a long time to blow and if im not mistaken spies could disarm it, but made demoman an importan class to have in both attack and defence

[@a_creatorsstuff17]

7:00, funny how in tf2 you can do the exact same jump off also a sign

[@a_creatorsstuff17]

Oh btw, planning to do other comparissons? Like 2fort and even the football map?

[@somnvm37]

I lke how in tfc the entire map is basically 1 texture and buildings and the ground melt into 1 mess

[@Zhantz]

ahh i love the use of ultrakill music

[@sO_RoNerY]

TFC is still revolutionary. Can’t dislike and hate on the old look.

[@ZackAttackHall]

13:01 these stairs didnt exist on launch for tf2 they were added about 2 months later on Dec 20. the xbox360 ver of the orange box lacks these stairs despite the fact it got some patches past that date.

[@Punchman227]

Hey! He did my thing :D

[@heavenandhello6629]

Plus, at 13:02, this modern version of Dustbowl ALSO used to not have those stairs back in 2007 either. They were added in a later update. And like I said on my other comment, it’s still like that on the Xbox 360 tf2 for the same reason I said

[@LEDs]

Appreciate the info!

[@lilfetus2349]

You’re underrated you and your content is pretty great! Keep on the grind and you will be admired is my advice!

[@LEDs]

Thanks for the kind words 💙💚❤️

[@mavolent6332]

tfw i finish playing ultrakill, go take a break to eat something, go watch this video and i'm greeted with the music from it i already love this

[@NightSideProductionsYTCC]

Remember that Pre-Fortress 2 operated much like the Brotherhood of Arms Team Fortress (TFC), just on the newer engine. (The closest supported example could be TF2C) Note that the Duffel Bag you saw had the Engineer and Medic's gear inside (A hardhat and what looked like a syringe), and the bucket had a Dynamite Bundle and some different Grenades, which Demoman actually had on his sash in the original Teaser for Team Fortress in 2007. I believe that certain classes had specific pickups that only they could grab, as the Duffel Bag having Engineer and Medic's supplies and the bucket having Soldier/Demo's supplies.

[@phlogchamp]

You should totally compare the other 5 maps (the ones that exist in all 3 versions that is), I really enjoyed this!

[@fronsk7156]

ultrakill soundtrack with tf2 footage>>>>> god this video goes so hard

[@snp..]

based ULTRAKILL player

[@urbanie]

awesome video my guy, definitely enjoyed it! i think the concept of armor and grenades and those bags and buckets is really cool and i would like to see it in game but they really have to balance it well

[@LEDs]

Maybe Valve thought it was too complex or something, hence why these features no longer exist in TF2.

[@whitefacewizard]

such a underrated creator. I hope your channel blows up

[@LEDs]

💙💚❤️

[@MRMOON-jk1cs]

My guy you deserve a lot more subs

[@LEDs]

And you, sir, deserve much appreciation for those kind words

[@albenstain8843]

Been playing tfc lately and I'm always surprised when we somehow manage to push through a choke point in dustbowl. 8:50 is complete hell with grenades and no uber

[@emilioconde8782]

What do you think about the grenades?

[@albenstain8843]

@@emilioconde8782 Well it sucks if you dont know how to use them or deal with them. I still feel like most of my deaths happen because I dont know how to use them but the enemy does.

[@RashadGarcia]

This is Phenomenal for a person with 500 subs, I can see you being really popular in the future!

[@LEDs]

Thanks man! 💙💚❤️

[@RashadGarcia]

@@LEDs if you do remember me 😶

[@LEDs]

@@RashadGarcia I'll certainly try to!

[@immortalsun]

Great video, man! Your channel is quite underrated.

[@Aiyoros]

5:38 hmmmm as far as i remember, before TF2 there was only one door in classic's dustbowl, it was hell (and fun to defend) . Also no teleports where available. Ladders are cheap for the GPU/CPU of the era, less geometry to render, and stairs where tricky to make less resource intensive on Wolrdcraft/Hammer.

[@lavalord96]

I liked this video! I hope we can get more map comparisons!

[@LEDs]

Perhaps in the future!

[@Taras195]

The ULTRAKILL soundtrack is haunting me anywhere I go!

[@LEDs]

lol

[@Taras195]

@@LEDs cool video you have here. I adore. The thing I'd be happy to see in the next analysis of that kind is side-by-side comparison. It's not always obvious where you look at. And please try not to be so snappy on the tfc levels!

[@LEDs]

@@Taras195 Will do!

[@Taras195]

@@LEDs awesome!

[@Waffieu]

Good Explanation And I Also Like Little Edits

[@UncleDeathYT]

I Love the video. Also I just realized while watching a Ultrakill OST I forgot the name of (or i think it was the remix) is in the background.

[@thecosmicgecko1771]

I like the ultrakill music used!

[@camithebrick]

The choke-iness of dustbowl makes sense when you consider that all it took was one blue medic getting past the defenses to win the game back in tfc

[@Xoo31]

Nice ultrakill music at the beginning

[@Kizuha]

Ultrakill enjoyer

[@armyofmutantsarmy8648]

ultrakill in the beginning

[@NoSkill_fr]

*JUDGEME-*

[@LucidityRemains]

The song played in the start is an instrumental version of "were you foolin'" by russ morgan and his orchestra.

[@hammerfell5727]

ultrakill music, nice

[@haniibutter]

i liked the ultrakill intro music

[@archivious496]

Dude. You should be at 60,000 now for this amazing content!

[@mitsota101]

a lot of those weird vertical spots that look impossible to navigate in classic can actually be reached by most classes because all classes can use grenades to rocket jump.

[@alexthesouthernpacificmt4879]

Wow also congrats for 200

[@LEDs]

💙💚♥️

[@clowdyglasses]

Ultrakill soundtrack gaming

[@cubeofconstruction4156]

Im only 12 seconds into the vid and im already baffled of the quality. this deserve way more attention

[@LEDs]

Thank you 😄

[@TinyDeskEngineer]

Now I cannot stop noticing how someone messed up that displacement. Thanks so much.

[@pillgrimm]

If you make more videos like this, I will watch literally every one of them. This is superb content.

[@LEDs]

Thanks! 💙💚♥️

[@r3ik2]

I’m glad I found this video, thank you, really interesting! May I Suggest to do less cuts or simply go slower in the walkthrough, I almost found it hard to follow haha maybe I’m just getting older

[@LEDs]

I am glad you enjoyed it! I did make a second episode titled “The History of TF2’s Badlands” where I took a different approach and did what you advised.

[@MrHKer-ot6lq]

I’m living in this map over 10 years now….

[@TheWither129]

The bucket is i assume for the scrapped grenades that ended up not coming over from tfc, which i assume is what those ditches on the bunkers were for, catching grenades so you cant as easily flush out a sniper or sentry and have to put a little more effort in.

[@sovietpotato5843]

Hope you make a series on this keep up the good work my guy :)

[@LEDs]

I'll see what I can do

[@cookiesmuggler7934]

Why does youtube feel like it’s actually getting better (more enjoyable, quality KZbin videos from literally anyone trying)

[@ratlobber]

great video pardner

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

the reason the TFC versions of the map where so choke heavy was it would only take blue 1 person with flag to win the round vs the capture point system we know today.

[@NoodleInABox]

music ultrakill soundtrak 0:00

[@roadhoundd.]

Choke-y was absolutely the name of the game for TFC. Still loved every minute of it.

[@mr.h4294]

If you play tf2 orange box it has a few elements of PF2, But mostly the same layout

[@heavenandhello6629]

11:47 I CANT STOP FUCKING LAUGHING! NO REALLY I JUST CANT STOP!!!!😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@moroznikzh2249]

My head hurts from the "Pre-Fortress 2" version of the map.

[@eljestLiv]

11:27 That ammo bucket is for grenades

[@puddinpie9387]

this channel should be much popular

[@LEDs]

I Appreciate those words my man

[@DustEatingMan]

this man deserves more subs

[@LEDs]

I’m happy I was able to earn yours!

[@less3594]

Dude the pre-fortress 2 dustbowl gave me a stroke

[@Lysimachus]

I love Dustbowl - if I boot up TF2, for some reason I just want to play Dustbowl 95% of the time. Anyway fun video, thanks.

[@LEDs]

Dustbowl is the he GOAT!

[@squishydoge2307]

this is gonna blow up, i can feel it

[@LEDs]

Better take cover!

[@freddyfazbear363]

I actually like pre-tf2 dustbowl more than modern dustbowl

[@LEDs]

I especially like the second stage. I think the added flank doors and that one back area that is now fenced off would make for some good gameplay

[@cornslop6513]

am i the only one who's first thought was not about the video or TF2 but was: mankind is DEAD. BLOOD is FUEL. HELL is full.

[@FanoWarFan]

11:30 That be a bucket of grenades mate!

[@C.A._Old]

Counter-Strike Series : We Have Dust 1 And Dust 2 ! ^^ +1 Team Fortress Series : We Have Dustblow ! ^^ +1

[@alface935]

What Is The Deal With Valve Making Desert Maps? Meanwhile At Nintendo: We Have 3 Dry Dry Deserts 1- In Mario Kart 64 2- In Mario Kart Double Dash 3- In Mario Kart Wii And All The 3 Are Diferent Maps But All Have The Same Name

[@C.A._Old]

4:02 Left Tunnel didn't exist in 2007 Early Versions.

[@LEDs]

Thanks for letting us know

[@C.A._Old]

@@LEDs Yeah... By The Way This Bucket İts Hand Grenades Unfortnaly Devepolers Removed it Beacuse NewPlayer Confused how in the earth i died ? and then they knew it doesn't make fun play and then 2007 Removed it All Hand Grenades ! But Still Presents İn Models And Pre-Fortress 2 ! +1 No Problem Mate ! And Thanks Mate ! And GOOD NEWS ! We Are Not Dying ! We Are Going To Live Forever ! İ Didn't Say That ! İ Just Say No Longer Exist Own Owerwatch Enemy ! Oh Thank God ! +1 - THİS İS ARE TEAM FORTRES 2 ! AND YOU ARE DEAD ! AMEN . ! +1 :D XD +1 Nutshell for me Comics... But its okay. :-)

[@Flour-4]

The bucket and the bag in PF2 are for separate ammo types I assume. The bucket is filled with explosives, therefore being able to refill explosive weapons, and the backpack is filled with gas canisters and what's looks like flares for the flamethrower. Pretty neat, introduces a new challenge for ammo conservation

[@plumebrise4801]

No the bag was to refill your armor ,and the bucket to refill your throwable (like Grenade)

[@Flour-4]

@@plumebrise4801 ok I understand now. Ty

[@TNTBlowup]

Im guessing the bag was to refill armor (assuming that was what the shield by the hp was) and the bucket was probably for grenades

[@LEDs]

I think you’re right

[@Err0Rose]

i guess the bucket on pf2 is for grenades, that's pretty cool

[@LEDs]

It is. It’s nice to see that things there different back then

[@Namerco]

Good soldiers with the direct hit could probably carry in the 3rd point of tfc

[@Holyduck777]

The bucket and bag in pre fortress was a grenade pickup. Before the game was released they were planning on putting grenades in the game but took them out because grenade spam sucks

[@steyraug772]

the reason why they took off ladders in tf2 is because how corny that was in multiplayer like the feet are floating while still aiming, in reality sense, you cant hold a shotgun, or minigun or any weapons that needs two hands for wielding while on the ladder. its common sight i always see back when i played tfc. you also did not mention the gameplay change of dustbowl from tfc to tf2 which is that is a major change since tfc uses a flag to carry all the way to the cap point while you need capturing points in tf2 (correct the spelling and grammar since i have bad English) anyways great video

[@heavygaming3792]

This Channel is underrated

[@Zowson]

Underrated, have a sub

[@stevencolor3389]

Anybody else notice that in the first stage of pre fortress 2, the statue honoring the solider/rick may from may 2020 is present on the blu spawn side of the building? I think he is playing on a recreation of the pre fortress 2 map as I doubt that was added back then, unless some dev was planning ahead over 15 years, a timeframe most games die out in.

[@LEDs]

I think the devs might’ve added it in to the pre-build version permanently to honor his memory

[@hunlepto2239]

I feel ladders were removed due to them interrupting the fluid movement system of TF2 where any movement you do can matter, now your momentum doesn't have to be interrupted by the climbable ladders. Also, it's a real shame they changed map 1 and map 2 so much, I really dig the design with the longer flanks and more defense spots. Map 3 was changed for the better only honestly, but I feel they really dumbed down map 1 and 2 too much.

[@LEDs]

I agree with this completely

[@mallusaih]

i would love to see a tf2 version of pre fortress 2 dustbowl, the unblocked passages would be very satisfying to go thru

[@LEDs]

You’re not the first to suggest this, so I’m probably going to make a video showcasing just that (assuming I can port it to TF2 properly)

[@nau6at431]

I have thought about a vid like this way back then. I suddenly went very sad due to our country's current problem and I felt sad, until this came up on my Suggestions. Thank you! 🌞

[@Pyroshax]

I know the jump cuts are being used to improve the commentary, but the constant jump cuts in the video footage while trying to put together a mental image of how the maps are laid out is super disorienting. I would've much rather seen a full uninterrupted video stream as you walk around the map.

[@LEDs]

I made a second episode featuring Badlands where I followed this advice. Go check it out and let me know what you think.

[@Szult]

as for second stage with that side flank, it might open up after you cap first

[@Ao-Yun]

His mic quality becomes better for every version

[@LEDs]

😂

[@Ao-Yun]

@@LEDs amazing work my good sir

[@CoolSs]

3:24 i actually like this change . but i think the map should be longer so the point is not just next to spawn . and instead of just a drop . you get a broken staircase .

[@Einzeilhandery]

Interesting. So demo dynamites uses different type of ammo, and maybe engineer metal for that weird bag with an engineer helmet

[@urbanie]

someone in the comments said that the bags replenish your armor and the buckets replenish your throwables

[@wuketuke6601]

im impressed by how much worse dustbowl could have been

[@TokenMCPE]

alright we gotta get this guy to 1k

[@NickyPinkwood]

imagine someone recreating dustbowl for quake team fortress

[@itsjustxme]

ULTRAKILL MUSIC SPOTTED

[@lorry3535]

7:14 there is no drop down on the left. this drop down also does not exist in the 2007 release of TF2 that xbox and ps3 have. i dont know when PC added it but it made spawn camping harder

[@tilkomp]

YO ULTRAKILL OST????

[@alijoony]

Nice vid Thanks for the information

[@tf2dar]

npc stutter (___) jokes aside, the video is great! found it interesting and have always loved history myself

[@sharpkniveinlatvian1746]

Am I the only one who liked the first stage of Pre-Fortress 2? It gives BLU more cover and less turtling spots for RED.

[@spiderm4n]

Actually the picture you used at 0:26 is an updated version of dustbowl released in 2003 on Steam, in 1999 there were just one tunnel instead of two. lol