Leffen's Rivals of Aether 2 Tier List

[@tekwizwa]

i think forsburn smoke should probably have the same camera properties of duck hunt can lowkey, I feel like the camera is constantly snitching on me

[@Ghoats]

the camera constantly moving like duck hunt is so annoying to look at

[@mynamejot8623]

I would drop this game if any character has duckhunt camera

[@plant6182]

solid tierlist. For forsburns clone ai, neutral b toggles running towards and away from your opponent. Holding b prevents him from jumping (which is why it SDs randomly). Just gives you bit more control over it

[@eZaFVulcan]

god this character is so cool

[@ilcavaliereoscusa6758]

Would be nice if they told it somewhere. This game is so good but so inaccessible to outsiders

[@djandjb1]

This is why I play Orcane, a “simple” chaaracter

[@BrooklynSkateUSA]

​@ilcavaliereoscusa6758 homie the game hasn't even released yet. They'll have tutorials for everything when it actually comes out

[@GeorgieZaccour]

He litteraly uses the neutral b toggle to make it run away in this video and demonstrate how bad it is that it just makes it run off stage and double jump back lol, I think he's aware, doesn't make it any less bad

[@brightglow]

I like the placements! I do think Orcane is definitely the biggest question mark in terms of the cast. Saying his recovery is bad is a bit misleading when you didn’t mention using his forward air to recover at all (you can press down b to turn yourself around and then fair after). Especially with the variety of distance it covers & the speed it goes, it allows for a lot of mixups.

[@blank_ivysaur]

I think his recovery just has issues with being telegraphed by frame data or by being forced to walljump out of very 1 dimensional movement options. A very good orcane has options but they’re definitively forced to use resources when they don’t want to or use pretty commital options to recover.

[@dumptruck4083]

Sylvanos is going to be so busted when he comes out

[@666blaziken]

"ledge game? What's that?"

[@dumptruck4083]

@@666blaziken guarding the ledge from opponents, playing around the ledge. I’m pretty sure, someone will correct me if I’m wrong

[@tacitozetticci9308]

He means Sylvanos hardly even needs a ledge lol

[@dumptruck4083]

@@tacitozetticci9308 yeah I figured a couple minutes after replying

[@iknowwhereyoulive618]

sylvanos still needs to go to ledge (not hang on ledge cause duh but yk what i mean) a lot in roa1 because of how punishable coming up from up b into the wall is

[@DarktoneX]

Too real!! Wayyyy too many people coping about Kragg...HES BUSTED AF!!!!

[@cubesandpi]

Leff is sleeping on orcane recovery a bit too much I think. Without bubble there is still a lot of niche non melee tech to recover with. For example orcane can wall jump out of side b which lets them fair back to stage, and there is the orcahop mechanic from roa1 that lets you gain height when your puddle is down

[@trombonegamer14]

Care to explain the orcahop mechanic?

[@domilink9747]

You can also use fair to recover by b reversing to look in the opposite direction before using fair as a sort of extra side b to recover

[@blank_ivysaur]

@@trombonegamer14you can significantly boost your non puddle up b by double jumping and quickly inputting a canceled up b after

[@jon630]

Yeah there's no way Orcane has worst recovery in the game when orcahopping and reverse down B -> fair exist.

[@AwareWolf14]

Orcane has pretty good recovery

[@ethanpritt542]

The game still needs time to develop but still a good tierlist. Forsburn's Bair and dair are fucking broken.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

Dair hitbox is small so small characters force you to get into range before you can land a hit or you whiff and either sucks

[@ethanpritt542]

@LoftOfTheUniverse the back hit of Dai is larger than you think, you can even search up the hitboxes on Google.

[@KrispyKorpse]

Lol I actually have had people tell me it felt like it should be a 2 stock game (actual rivals players btw)

[@unseenasymptote4976]

Rivals players when their sets last longer than a minute and half

[@Air21Man]

As an Orcane main, I almost never recover using puddle. It is solely a last resort for me when I have no other options. You've got to put in the time to learn recovering without puddle. The recovery tech Orcane has is essential. Too many Orcane's make themselves too predictable by always recovering to puddle. Instead, avoid using until you need it to get a kill or reverse an edgeguard.

[@Hunter-dl5jb]

Im a wrastor main but loved Orcane in Rivals 1, what is some good recovery tech to help me get better playing him this game?

[@Air21Man]

@@Hunter-dl5jb You can B-reverse Down Special to turn yourself around in the air and use double jump Fair to slingshot yourself back to stage.

[@runeblade6596]

Forsburn's gimmicks feel mildly underwhelming but clone is useful to scout and mix up approaches while the full charge burst is like a much less powerful but more practical/versatile finishing touch. His attacks and ground speed still do him very well though. He can easily function without setting any smoke and just treating clone like a projectile or a landing mixup.

[@mxyzptplk]

you look like if parrot dash wasn't a furry

[@ellisonseven]

tbh ur missing a lot when it comes to orcanes recovery, rising fair and rising bair are great recovery mixups opposed to using ledge fair is essential to orcanes recovery since it allows him to reach the stage at any point and lets him recover high with momentum and being actionable also orcahop is a great tool either as a mixup or if u dont want to use ur puddle/using down b to allow u to orcahop then capitalize on bubbles

[@manjiy4185]

you can orcahop without using your puddle. you just need to up b then shield.

[@ellisonseven]

@@manjiy4185 yeah I know it's a way to catch someone trying to punish puddle or just to preserve puddle placement

[@oliverwilcox2605]

i think fors is jab 1 helps a lot with combos, esp when you start babydashing with him and getting jab into tilts and stuff. I agree it can be hard to get an opening into a combo though

[@irusu.]

I love clairen. I would love this game to be more comboing and stuff but the gameplay is really cool. Im wsiting for combo devils cuz that one seems a bit crazier in terms of strings. Im happy if we keep getting platform fighters

[@Maybeplu]

I think roa2 has a good amount of combos, just has a bit less hitstun than melee so you need to mix up and react a slightly more

[@burtsbees3690]

I don’t think leffen mentioned how zetter shine doesn’t break asdi down and CC. Big difference from melee. I think that’s debatably shines greatest strength is owning CC at zero when cc is so strong.

[@michaellee7630]

11:35 its true, zangief has to eat damage in neutral until he gets his opponent into the corner, then the real game begins

[@darklurkerirl6101]

Orcane looks like one of those characters that after multiple years people found out how fucking powerfull he truly is...

[@meatballsyes3854]

I’m just waiting for mfing peach mains to figure out you can float cancel as fleet

[@dcplayer8551]

I sure do love a good ol' leffen tier list

[@Kirby5588]

Only character placement i disagree with is Orcane. Orcane has really good frames and the recovery mix up with wall jump side b is crazy.

[@Anna-vx2pe]

Orcane puddle is the wildcard you throw in to his actual recovery which is using fair pushback and sideB walljump and orcahopping

[@laffy7204]

Yo, I'm playing a Zetterburn a top tier? Let's go

[@suetop6055]

melee evo champ is so funny lmao

[@swag9950]

Goated tierlist

[@CazDad]

After seeing leff smash ultimate tier list can we really take any of them seriously?😂

[@dadtier564]

Has legend showed off his controller binds?

[@rhinocheese7831]

I want whatever he's taking

[@TonyDrecaps]

Most things are good here. Clairen should be B. Ranno, fleet & Orcane in A.

[@Johnny_200]

I wish I was competent enough to play fleet. Or understand anything about the game XD

[@lilbigman9127]

Zetterburn is PM Wolf

[@ArsicPlays]

Kragg is the truth. Bustin bussy.

[@Kdragonmc]

orcane is not that low bruh

[@ryanodd4149]

Wrastors air speed and acceleration were nerfed in the last patch. It wasn't a buff. Most other characters are faster idk how you say he's fast

[@Cayden.1]

Make forsburn foward air a kill option at high percentages, make smoke do residual damage, like .5% a tic, give less start up/end lag for up b, and fix the camera angle firing smoke and he should be much better as a character.

[@cubesandpi]

Fair cannot be made a kill option, the DI mixups between fair and nair are central to the punish game.

[@Extracredittttt]

Big disagree with the fair idea. The camera suggestion is good though!

[@RednekGamurz]

fair is supposed to be a good combo tool, not a kill move. Also smoke doing damage would be busted with how easily he can spread smoke across the stage.

[@RidaRyokoShaBeacoNofHope]

Making smoke do residual damage has gotta be the most diabolical thing I've ever heard

[@Extracredittttt]

@@RidaRyokoShaBeacoNofHope yes I would cry lmao

[@YTTHEGAMINGGUY]

Orcane top 3 ur tripping

[@agjones89]

but Leffen, what about orcane reverse hit box on fair?

[@ΚρανίΩ]

i mean in traditional fighting game having good walk speed or bad walk speed is considered gor example sf6 akuma has the most cracked walk speed in the game and it is insanely clear how goid thst is in neutral compared to terry, dee jay or jp's walk speed, akuma can walk in and out of your range by just going back and forth and others just can't. its still possible to win neutral as the slower walk speed but its much harder

[@JoshuaKing-g8m]

I think this tier list is okay, this is only because of one BIG problem. Everyone is A+ or above. No one is bad at all. Everyone is good because Rivals is a game where everyone is at a peach level or higher. Some characters are better than others, match ups are really sucky, but everyone is viable, Most Plat fighters have at least a few characters who ARE bad. This game doesn't have that.

[@tatybara]

character tiering is relative to each other, not relative to peach or viability

[@Kaebren]

yeah except forsburn, character is doodoo buns garbage

[@leonhaynard5565]

@@tatybara While I agree, when the characters are so close to each other it makes no sense to have tiers from S to D as that makes the characters in D tier seem bad when they clearly aren't

[@Kaebren]

​@@leonhaynard5565what is the point of a "tier" list with 1 or 2 tiers in it, it's just listing off characters at that point. the point of the tier list is to rank the characters relative to each other without having to be hyper specific about their placements within. having two tiers completely defeats the purpose of what's even happening

[@Kaebren]

like this nigga is saying A+ and above... relative to what? how is forsburn A+ if a character like maypul exists? he isn't. you're literally trying to bring in another game as a bar to rank these characters when ALL of these characters are way better than peach so technically they should all be S tier right?

[@Dereck-p5u]

The balance needs some changes

[@dumptruck4083]

I had some ask if I can see them because I watched the screen movement

[@themlgbrosftw4960]

Good tierlist

[@KAJYT6969]

bro you know nothing about orcane