Quick Start - Targeting Changes in 3.10 - Star Citizen Tutorial

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This is a quick, lower-production-value tutorial intended to help players get started quickly with the targeting changes. We hope to produced a more polished version in the future. Some of it is confusing so, please, if you have any questions, ask in the comments.
All footage recorded in Star Citizen alpha 3.10 (Wave 1 build).
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[@LegacyFleet]

Hey! This video is part of a playlist full of 3.10 stuff. You should check it out! kzbin.info/aero/PLEgJY_N_9Bcr-iSmJtnz0tClP3oG2AeaB

[@Ultrajamz]

Is this still accurate?

[@rooster1012]

Great video, absolutely horrible design choice....

[@sirberticus3815]

I haven't tried 3.10 yet but just watching how complicated this has gotten makes my stomach feel like it's brewing up an ulcer.

[@Naglfar]

I'm not sure what CIG are aiming for, I don't think they even know themselves.

[@UnderdogSMO]

more team function and upgrade potental

[@oldman1111]

@@UnderdogSMO That's exactly what I thought. I saw the pinning system and went "HOLY CRAP, this is going to be AMAZING" for pinning your wingmates and pinning priority targets and whatnot.

[@VictorECaplon]

I genuinely think this makes combat, way better, but as well way more complicated. Combat is starting to be more like a profession than simply aim and shoot that anyone can do. I’d see myself hiring someone to protect me now.

[@captainrenzan]

I don't understand why they made this "you can only target what you view" system instead of radar range.... pretty weird.

[@LegacyFleet]

It still depends on range, signature etc. This is another layer. Think of it as a sensor cone that gimbals with your head. That doesn't explain why the radar can still see everything, though.

[@garvi42]

This might be a tinfoil hat kind of theory, but I wonder if limiting targeting to front is a way of giving a co-pilot, RIO, or even another ship like a Hornet Tracker or Terrapin, the job of coordinating the attack. Better scanning or dedicated radar seats might, at some point, give a more complete view of the area.

[@Enakaji]

@@garvi42 I think that was indeed the reasoning behind this, because pinned targets get shard between all the members on a ship. So if you have people in your turrets they can actually be used to pin targets for all the other members of the crew. So it helps Multicrew ships but puts solopilots at a disadvantage because you have to actually look at a target to PIN or Lock them (unless you want to lock the ship thats shooting you).

[@TheGokki]

Yyeaahhh... this is terrible. I don't have TrackIR, this isn't EVE Online. This targetting system might be interesting if you're in a multicrew ship with a dedicaded sensors officer managing targets for your gunners. Otherwise it's... it's just bad design and bad gameplay.

[@benvalle8253]

Thanks guys. Going to be watching this over an over.

[@KevinJohn556]

Ugh I prefer the cycling tho

[@chrisa1160]

Complex, but will enjoy learning it. Thanks for the helpful walkthrough!

[@Nerdshowandtell]

Targeting is complete crap with 3.10.. Who ever let this hit even EVO doesn't play the damn game.

[@Vortigon]

Typical bullshit choice of UI by CIG that makes no sense, ignores all design standards and rules resulting in maximum confusion and BAD design.

[@CouchCit]

Thanks for making this great video to explain this clusterfvck of a system. Players without headtracking will be super crippled now, and in general everybody will have to fumble around with more buttons and commands just to get basic information to show up on the HUD that the friggin radar already has. SMDH

[@selbie]

This system is clear as mud. Great job making sense of the awful UX.

[@zaqq]

So they buffed stealth by making the targeting system a cluster fuck. Definitely gonna need to spend some time to get used to this, i love the pinned targets are back though really cool feature. Thanks for the vid o7

[@Cloakdasasin0]

I feel like I just got saved hours of trial and error trying to figure this out.

[@baronkobayashi3294]

Thanks for the guide. Good information to get the rest of us up-to-speed with the changes. Question though: has anyone tried the new targeting system in multi-crew? Can a co-pilot or crewman do the target pinning designation or is it still limited only to the pilot? As mentioned, I could see the advantage of having a dedicated RIO or co-pilot scanning and designating targets; allowing the pilot to focus more on flying and shooting and not trying to multi-task battlefield awareness.

[@revengexmoon2087]

None of this was needed. What was needed was a 30k fix. Jesus. How do you copy or blind copy a target? Can you reply target all? Suppose I want to target only left handed non NPC nuns? NONE OF THIS WAS NEEDED! FIX 30K DISCOS!

[@Mister-Tea]

Hello there ! I'm in 3.12.1 and the targeting system is still the same overcomplicated garbage, I'm struggling to keybind something good on my HOTAS. But thanks to your video I've managed to get something simple enough ;-)

[@Ash_Rackham]

I tested this in evo and it still makes my brain hurt. lol Awesome work as always, gonna have this one bookmarked.

[@JerDog1984]

As annoying as this system may seem to people, modern fighter jets have a passive radar that will show the azemuth of targets, but the pulse doppler radar (in the nose cone) still has to be manually locked from an mfd/ddi. I know this is not real life, but thought it may ease the pain of this new system =D I do wonder what they were thinking with this though =/

[@alexlore4716]

Targeting fucking sucks, how do you make it just like the old days cycle friendly cycle hostile? no lock crap were your ship follows the target...

[@Kickstandsup83]

i would change the pins to 1,2,3 and the lock/unlocks to 4 and 5. Less complicated

[@SpaceCutlet]

Its funny how targets die faster tha OP manages to select pin and target because of how lame it is not to see them on sceen. A good example of how a great idea can go wrong.

[@NightOwlKeys]

Does the scanning also work with this new targeting so that you don't have to aim your ship nose at whatever ship you want to scan?

[@LegacyFleet]

For "detection range", we mean the range at which the ship will first appear on radar. The radar is not affected by the new targeting mechanics. We figure, once it's on radar, you are alerted to it and can locate / select / pin / lock or just totally avoid as needed. That said, the new targeting system does affect stealth gameplay. . . Because not everyone will investigate every contact that pops onto their radar, and there's going to be more delay now than there was before for those that do. This could give the stealth ship time to make attacks or perform other action that she might not have been able to in 3.9.

[@NightOwlKeys]

@@LegacyFleet I meant the 3.10 targeting changes when you select a target by looking at them (the square appears). Can you use this for the scanning mode you activate with Tab? Because before you had to aim your ship at whatever ship you wanted to scan instead of just looking at them.

[@LegacyFleet]

@@NightOwlKeys Oh! I'm sorry I got the videos confused. Not sure but I doubt that scanning works with headlook now. I don't think the scanning/ping mechanic is really being worked on.

[@VinnyGrant]

This is absolutely awful. Just show me all my targets ahead of me and let me target the one my guns are pointed at. Ridiculous that in order to see what enemies there are in front of you, you have to cycle a 'selection'.

[@CaptWinky]

This new system is trash... what was wrong with the way it was working? This was a complete waste of development time.

[@-A-c]

For playing with another pilot, which fighters in 3.10 in your opinion would pair nicely as the 'bait' for the target and the other as the one who will take down said target?

[@LegacyFleet]

Hmm, you can go with two strategies. You can make your "bait" tempting and big yet durable, or make him or her maneuverable so they can evade the initial attacks. I'd say a Vanguard for the former, Arrow for the latter. As for the striker, depends on your target. Large ship? Eclipse or Tali. Small ship? Lots of choices - Defender, Gladius, maybe Hawk. Adding in some EMP can make things even more interesting. And, if you are willing to invest enough to go stealth, maybe a Hornet Ghost.

[@screaminginsilence6560]

can you make a video on how to key bind it so it's like before 3.10?

[@MrBeardedgelfling]

Having keybinds later at end of the vid is a bad call in my view.

[@Hasgaha]

Thanks for this

[@LegacyFleet]

Thank you for taking such great imagery :)

[@berniormi4103]

thanks for that tutorial. That new targeting system is shit

[@Baleur]

Wrote a thread on the topic. Basically, i think we all could understand and even agree with these changes, IF we knew there was a reason for it. Not just an accident "whoops now you cant know who's around you, we fucked up". If there was an actual intent behind it, to make the battlefields more uncertain since you cant have perfect knowledge about what ships may be lurking above / below, without a big robocop TARGET DETECTED in 360 degrees around you, i might even agree with CIG on this as it makes stealth even more viable (even visual stealth not based on IR / EM). But CIG has to tell us, if that was the intention, or if they just ballsed up.... lol robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/cig-what-was-your-intention-with-the-target-change

[@JohnFromAccounting]

I think it was to make combat more hectic by refraining from giving you perfect information from the get-go. I have been using my radar a ton more and that's a good thing.

[@UnderdogSMO]

because they didnt like it the other way and this is a video >GAME

[@tomw5vlt119]

Same lack of clarity from watching Noob's video on the topic. There is some mention of "locking" being required to fire on something (have pips?), but that's not spoken to in the videos clearly... the step by step required to actually have a Target up on hud with Pips, fire on it, and switch to another Target and have Pips. Not clear on what those steps are to transition through that from target to target with Pips active. Simple example that may help people ... speak to Vanduul Swarm, and how to deal with being presented with 4 enemies, 2 of which are Scavangers, and 2 of which are named Vanduul (bigger threats). How do you approach targeting those 4... and transitioning between them as it progresses... step by step as an example.

[@LegacyFleet]

I think you'd benefit maybe from watching the newer video on the subject. After this video they implemented a lot of changes to make it much simpler/easier. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmqlfZl9etibb6M

[@tomw5vlt119]

@@LegacyFleet Hey I was testing out various controls in combat, and understand a little better what the various author’s videos are trying to explain... but also that CIG offers different approaches to Selecting, Locking, and Pinning, and also varies by controller type as you say. So a real challenge for you to do this subject justice. Look forward to future versions of your videos on Targeting as this evolves, and versions. That all said: A - my prior comments about maybe using a common Arena Commander scenario, and by controller type, would really do this justice, and ... B - mark my words, hear me now ... this present system is a clusterf$c& in design and I am 100% positive that CIG will substantially change it.

[@Kia044]

Is there a button to autopin all closest enemies?

[@LegacyFleet]

No.

[@ergobibamus4409]

I'm not sure if I like the new system.

[@GW2Vids1]

Still fighting UI elements instead of the beautiful modeled ships

[@Leispada]

That is inevitable.. its space

[@UnderdogSMO]

space games say what.

[@VanValdenburg]

Thanks for the video! Just it's not 3.10, it's 3.9.1.

[@LegacyFleet]

No this is 3.10.

[@VanValdenburg]

@@LegacyFleet my bad, actually thought this it's the current live version :D

[@Orus01]

I didn't understand anything

[@RhodesTraveler]

Great Tutorial!

[@no-target3152]

This was a great help. Now they've moved the goalposts again changing everything.!

[@CitizenExpanse]

o7

[@tomato6460]

Nice one, dude

[@bitmau5]

my brain hurts

[@parkerxgps]

how do you bind a tap versus a hold?

[@LegacyFleet]

In the video, toward the end it shows in the menu where to change the setting.

[@aleksanderw5536]

Good video. A bit chaotic at times but good video. Thnx for making it.

[@GW2Vids1]

Are you going to make a video on the new flight model?

[@LegacyFleet]

You mean the atmo flight model? Possibly.

[@GW2Vids1]

@@LegacyFleet No, I thought they changed high speed combat or something

[@MrFluppi]

awesome tutorials, i look forward seeing more of that :)

[@Leispada]

It looks clean, it looks crisp. And honestly it does not strike me as challenging to master. I don't know what you're all on about, this looks better to me

[@JohnFromAccounting]

My experience so far has been much better than the previous flight model. This targeting system is a lot better and looks way, way smoother.

[@armyfreak9389]

Thanks Whitesnake much appreciated.

[@charlesballiet7074]

by the time i figure this out ill probably be dead

[@nel9954]

This is gonna take me some time to get used to.

[@dieterdewit3782]

Too complicated

[@andreajohnston9009]

Delightful!