Legal in the US, But Illegal Elsewhere

[@LegalEagle]

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[@VintageBassArchive]

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[@mischafellner8943]

The American flag is the universal symbol of freedom.

[@davea6314]

It's legal for dentists to put dangerous neurotoxic mercury dental fillings (AKA amalgam fillings) in your teeth here in the USA, but in most of Europe and Canada it's illegal. Neurotoxic mercury dental fillings (AKA amalgam fillings) should be illegal everywhere in the world!

[@johnshite4656]

@@mischafellner8943 sarcasm?

[@EastyyBlogspot]

Now i am thinking...illegal in usa but not in other countries, jaywalking is first thing that comes to mind though i know it is illegal in some other countries to

[@Vollification]

In Sweden any form of violence against a child is in legal terms "assault" (misshandel). We have no seperate laws for hitting a child. If you hit a child it will be treated the same way as if you smacked an adult. It is VERY illegal.

[@MrGeneration83]

Yes, as a dane the right to hit your child, seems more like there is a lack of legal protection for children.

[@iceteeize]

It also makes people of the later generations have a whole different view on spanking children for upbringing. There are, of course, people who still see it as okay but most of my generation that I’ve talked to (millennial) see it as any other form of child abuse and is kind of appalled by the amount of people advocating child abuse in other countries (Although this is obviously anecdotal, I still feel like it carry some value)

[@RoonMian]

@@MrGeneration83 When you're as free as the USA then children aren't people, they're property. I was more shocked that there are any nations in Europe that do not ban physical assault on children (looking at you, UK, Russia, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland, Czechia, Slovakia and Turkey) because the European Human Rights Convention guarantees bodily integrity in article 8 so somebody needs to drag those rogue nations in front of the ECHR.

[@jgdooley2003]

@@iceteeize I have seen it on some occasions when someone in charge of a crying child has hit out at that child and has been brought to the attention of security personnel in a public place. I didn't hang around long enough to see the consequences of this intervention but in general any form of public violence towards a vulnerable person is treated very seriously nowadays in Ireland. This wasn't always the case and corporal punishment or chastisement as it was called in polite middle class circles was common in Ireland in the 1970's. From my schooldays it still infuriates me that the children of rich and influential people were let away with a lot more than the children of poor and powerless parents. Violence was used as a common instrument of discipline and fear was the common motivator for imparting lessons. All this teaching method taught was the Nazi value of might is right and the bigger guy can lord it over the little guy.

[@falconJB]

Saying it is legal in the US isn't wholly accurate, basically giving a kid a swat on their backsides is legal, though increasingly frowned upon, but if you hit a child hard enough to harm the child then it is child abuse. Also in some states mutual combat is still legal between adults, so we are a country that just accepts more violence than a lot of others.

[@AlissaGranger]

Imagine sitting in a barber shop when SWAT suddenly breaks down the door shouting “Hand over the scissors! We’re cutting off that mullet!”

[@jonoxes8662]

God bless, saved from yourself!

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

Currently looking at the comments during opening ads and I am VERY curious about the context for this…

[@Shasha-jo5iv]

More like son, get in the van! Then a few hits with a sweep and a fine. If you're a girl it's a lot worse.

[@grmpEqweer]

As an atheist, I demand my right to crappy haircuts. FREEDOM!🇺🇲

[@jonoxes8662]

@Oooog Syar god doesn't exist

[@19billdong96]

“It’s your right as an American to look like an idiot, in fact no rights is more fundamentally American.” Succinct and accurate, great lawyer.

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

I would counter that the most fundamentally American right is to *be* an idiot. To look like one comes second.

[@josephippolito1402]

👍

[@southcoastinventors6583]

I wonder if this is a unintentional dig against himself.

[@adam346]

I mean... we know what they will pick on next if they want to re-introduce mass incarceration.

[@szymonsabat8272]

he lost my respect with this bit, prob got some alt-right fans for that tho, they like when ppl make fun of the looks of others...

[@caspermcgonagle1532]

Not seeing a “shrink” isn’t a flex just like not going to the doctor doesn’t mean you’re in perfect health.

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

“I had plenty of asbestos in my house as a kid and I’ve never been to a doctor!”

[@VoidGaming0124]

Shrinks or whatever don't help me so I just don't go. But for other people if it helps them I'd recommend it

[@ChrisTian-rm7zm]

Psychiatrists confirm that they usually treat the wrong people.

[@AWindy94]

When somebody calls a therapist a "shrink" all I see is 🚩🚩🚩

[@itsmenotjames]

@@AWindy94therapy is stupid for normal people

[@theanitmeme]

I don’t know about other countries, but at least in Peru if you want to abstain from voting you have the option to vote for “None of the Above.” It’s called voting a “voto en blanco” and allows you to meet your obligation to vote even if you don’t support any of the candidates.

[@ooooneeee]

It's universally possible since the vote is secret you can just invalidate your ballot by either not choosing anyone, choosing multiple people or writing random stuff on it.

[@icarue993]

But you still have to "vote". And hopefully, they do count your vote that if enough people abstain, they do another round of votes. Have never heard it happen, but it should be possible

[@Croz89]

That's generally pretty standard in most compulsory voting countries. You can also legally spoil your ballot by filling it out incorrectly in some places. The difference being while spoiling your ballot means it is simply not counted, a NOTA vote is often still counted, if NOTA "wins" the election it has to be run again with new candidates.

[@dinamosflams]

yes, his interpretation of democracy under law is very missleading. in the US apparently if you want to vote you MUST vote for one of the options, and since the election day is not a holyday there, which means if a large part of the population doesn't vote they can just say "welp, they must be busy, cause there is no way they disagree with both options!" while in the mandatory democracies we can say "I came all the way over here to say YOU ALL SUCK!"

[@BelaCoxinha]

In Brazil we have this, it is called "voto nulo" (null vote)

[@williamverhaeghe]

I live in Belgium where voting is indeed compulsory. But this also means that it is so well organised. You get your letter which states where you are expected (usually a school or public building, always very close by), vote and go home within 10-30 minutes. You have to vote, but no one can know who you voted for, so you can vote blank or invalid (there is a difference). There is always a party that says they want to abolish this, but they get almost no votes. It's also a public holiday since Everyone needs to vote.

[@mehere8038]

what if that location doesn't suit you? In Australia we have polling booths all over & we can attend any of them, or postal or early vote if none suit. In addition, we have polling booths at all hospitals & mobile polling booths visit nursing homes & remote communities in the weeks prior to election day to make sure everyone is supported to vote. We're not required to cancel holidays or other plans to vote though, if a booth outside our local area suits us better, or we end up in hospital or whatever, we can vote wherever we like. We can also choose to attend the booth that has the best "democracy sausages", cause that's an important part of our process too. We COULD be home again within 10-30 minutes, but we buy the snag for charity instead :)

[@williamverhaeghe]

​@@mehere8038 No "democracy sausages" here (yet) unfortunately. The rest is mostly the same, no need to cancel holidays, etc. I've never had an issue with the given location, but I'm sure there are options to vote at another place. Most elderly however vote by proxy AFAIK, but this is being worked on so they can vote in the nursing homes.

[@ciani2396]

I honestly wish voting in the USA was as organized as it is in other countries. I think it should be compulsory but even so, why do I have to go outta my way to find out where I can go vote, when I can vote and how I am allowed to vote. It’s just dumb and I think part of the reason why so many Americans don’t vote. They don’t know where, when or how they can. The information isn’t as available to us in rural counties or even in cities for that matter.

[@DSP16569]

@@mehere8038 German not Belgian but I think similar voting systems. Every german is registered with his main address and got his voting papers (registration, legitimation, a "how you can vote and how the vote will work"-instruction) some weeks in advance. The fixed polling station is mentioned in this papers and often a puplic place like town hall, school, Kindergarden, ...) - I life in a small 20.000 habitant village and in the last election we have around 16 Polling stations all over the little village. Voting is simple: You go there, wait maybe a few minutes (mostly when voting directly after visiting the church, because this is the "rush-hour" at the polling station), show you registration and Id-card, get your piece of paper where you can make your cross, go to the cabin, make your cross, fold the paper and put it in the ballot box. - Done. And yes in germany even prisoners have the right to vote because this right is fundamentally in our constitution and nobody can take it away (except a group of indipendent psychiatrists declare that you are mentally not able to vote, this is approved by a court and the status must be renewed and reviewed every few years). If you are not able to vote at voting day at your assigned polling station you can send (porto-free) a "request for mail voting" back to the office (part of the registration papers) and you will then get your mail voting papers per mail a few days later.

[@mehere8038]

@@williamverhaeghe dam! No sausages? That's the best part of election day :) Not limited to sausages here either, cause polling booths are generally at places like schools, it's a big fund raising event for them, so everything from cupcakes to snags to vegan meals. Here there's so many booths, that it's pretty common to not just use the one closest to home. Voting here is on a Saturday, so lots of sport that day too, so people commonly vote while their kids are playing a match, at whatever booth is closest to the game, or near shops while on their shopping trip, or basically if driving somewhere, people will stumble across a polling booth, cause there's so many people & signs around them, so they're really obvious & people will just pull over & go in if there's parking readily available & it suits them, if no parking/looks busy, they'll do that at the next one they pass. If they're not going out on that day, then they'll walk to their local one

[@Chris_winthers]

A lot of the places where abusing children is illegal dont have specific laws, they just have laws that (and i know this is crazy) treat children as people

[@johannes4123]

That's crazy, don't they know that personhood should be exclusively reserved for adults and corporations?

[@vinnieg6161]

idk I think children and adults are quite different. *It's quite a difference if you smack your 21 year old son compared to smacking your 4 old

[@Chris_winthers]

@@vinnieg6161 not really. In fact, most crimes are worst when done against children. So why shouldnt assault and battery be?

[@vinnieg6161]

@@Chris_winthers i don't know what you mean mate

[@lazybroadcasts4917]

Please refrain from having children if you plan on assaulting them

[@ucnguyeninh7957]

"Legal in the US, But Illegal Elsewhere" *Proceed to leave out LOBBYING*

[@BusinessFox85]

Probably because lobbying IS legal in a lot of other countries. It’s mostly a problem in the US because of Super PACs and lack of regulation. I’d recommend you do your own research though since this is pretty complicated.

[@toast99bubbles]

I like that you mentioned how Wales joined the list of banning hitting children for punishment last year. We often get overlooked as a place that does implement our own laws and it was a massive deal for those of us working in children's organisations.

[@tonyduncan9852]

I found that cast iron frying pans were so hard I had to hide in bed while I was being struck. That seemed to take the edge off the pain. Animals.

[@willch.2259]

How is that enforced though, because the Welsh courts follow English and Welsh law (England and Wales being one single legal jurisdiction), which is made in Westminster

[@toast99bubbles]

@@willch.2259 There's a level of devolution with regards to the laws that each country sets. So Wales has that in place and it is enforceable. Similar to how in Wales you don't have to have an L plate on a car driven by a learner driver, a D plate will work too, but not across the border.

[@rampagesmackssons508]

Now for the 🐑 rights

[@HistoryNerd1814]

People often forget outside of the Parliament in London Northern Ireland, Scotland and Walse do have their own Parliament which does make their own laws outside of what is passed in London

[@augusttambourpetersen9221]

Still remember to this day, when I was a kid and was out walking with my dad in Copenhagen. We saw a british guy hit his kid, roughly same age as me (5-6 years old) with a closed fist multiple times, he was then tackled by my dad and two other men and arrested shortly after. Gotta know the laws of the country you're in.

[@reality1701]

Your dad is awesome ❤

[@memebaltan]

FINISH HIM! lmfao

[@anuvette]

I don't think punching kids is legal anywhere

[@christinepayfer2993]

Yea that is just straight up abuse

[@benas_st]

@@anuvette oh but he was just lightly tapping the kid with a semi open palm to teach the kid some manners, sounds fine to me 🤷 /s

[@melody3741]

Every child I know who got beat as a kid didn't learn stuff was wrong, they just learned to do it where their parents couldn't find them. They literally never found out why it was bad until they grew up and got hurt because of whatever bad habit that they never problem learn to get rid of

[@GriffinPilgrim]

Worse, they also got taught the lesson "If you're stronger than someone you can use violence to force them to do what you want."

[@tbjtbj4786]

@@GriffinPilgrim so basically the way the world works.

[@GriffinPilgrim]

@@tbjtbj4786 Sometimes. But we can do better and we should.

[@tbjtbj4786]

@@GriffinPilgrim yea I have seen no proof of that an any way. No matter how liberal your government. All government rules are inforced by force. Thats what law enforcement, code enforcement and the military is. Government force.

[@ThrottleKitty]

I got beat as a child, and all it taught me was to avoid my father when he ran out of Xanax

[@tatumlogan2242]

I found it TERRIFYING to be hit as a kid.. it was literally traumatic instead of effective punishment. Gotta be honest, it helped so much more to but put in time out or on the naughty chair. That’s because I was forced to THINK about my actual misbehavior instead of being confused. Just communicating and actually being forced to acknowledge it lol..

[@ZhovtoBlakytniy]

Being hit makes you hate your abuser or cope (and possibly pass down the torch).

[@busydadrs5608]

What made you stay on the chair?

[@northern_21]

@@busydadrs5608 Is this supposed to be a good reason to hit people? Is it okay to abuse people in order to force them to do as they're told? 99.9% of kids are going to listen to their parents, children instinctively listen to their parents during direct confrontation (not physical.) And if they really don't want to sit in the chair then it isn't that hard to put them there yourself, you don't have to assault them just to move them. Besides, sitting in a chair doesn't have to be the punishment given. There are numerous ways you can teach consequences to a kid while getting them to think about their actions.

[@fatemajahra1371]

Idk honestly… my mom would hit me if I did anything very wrong and I’d never do it again🤷‍♀️ i’m probably just desi and used to what westerners call “abusive parents” but I still love my parents, just hold some resentment.

[@lasmameziele8222]

​@@fatemajahra1371 The problem is when parents use it too often and that becomes more common when it's allowed and normalized.

[@suisseanonyme1033]

As a Swiss, I can promise you that if a teacher takes the liberty of hitting a student in any way, you will start hearing police sirens within minutes. Edit: before answering something stupid as: "this is the reason why young in Switzerland are drug addict", "this is why crime is up" or any other stupidity thinking than US do everything better than Switzerland, please close KZbin, go on google or any other search engine and perform a simple search for checking if you are right BEFORE POSTING YOUR COMMENT. I wish you a nice day.

[@picketf]

That is a pretty recent practice. In the 90's throwing keys at students, throwing blackboard chalk, giving backhead slaps, that was all pretty common. Older teachers also still pulled ears and hairs. I moved a lot as a kid so I saw this happening in 8 schools almost on a daily basis. I also saw students being escorted to school by police cars for failing to show up at school.

[@ВладиславВладислав-и4ю]

"Literally 1984

[@ottle2570]

@@picketf an old teacher of mine did throw chalk sometimes, but only when a group didnt pay attention and was loud at the same time and he did not hit with the chalt, he threw it in the general direction to get them to pay attention again

[@seand.g423]

Yeah, well, you guys are basically Montana with allowance for an _unwritten_ conscience, so...

[@christopherstein2024]

A teacher at my school threw a book at a student and gave him a scar. She told the story some years ago and one of the students raised his hand saying that the student was his father.

[@Hudson316]

As an Australian, the upside of compulsory voting laws that wasn't mentioned is that because it's compulsory and people need to at least go in and get crossed off the list, it means it is required by law for the independent electoral commission to ensure that there are polling booths everywhere (most schools become polling locations as well as some places like a local Scout hall near me), and that mail in voting and early voting sites are readily available, which prevents the attempts at voter suppression you get in the US of trying to stop people voting in places they don't want them to by stopping bussing elderly people to polls, or closing poll locations to ensure that lines in the "wrong" areas are so long they discourage people from taking time off to vote. Our elections are also on Saturdays instead of the idiotic American system that put them on Tuesdays so you could ride a slow donkey from a farm to and from the poll location without missing church on Sunday. We also often have BBQs set up at poll sites selling food and drinks for charity.

[@moustafa2258]

I never knew we had to just go and literally get our names crossed off and that's it. Next time I'm walking in, watching my name get crossed off and just leaving the papers with the person at the table.

[@Axeman20]

@@moustafa2258 mate, if you pay taxes you may as well vote. And you can just take yourself off the electoral roll if you really don't want to. Save us some paper.

[@2157AF]

It can be a pain but its something I think helps Australia.

[@JQNick]

Lets be honest, we all only turn up for that democracy sausage. The fine is an empty threat.

[@Okiedokeartichoke]

It’s sort of un-Australian to not stop for a banger

[@smashingmolko]

As a child of severe physical punishment, growing up in New Zealand spanking was legal until only a few years ago (maybe 15?), when it was banned the only people who cared or were upset by this were parents who had been physically abusing their children, and then telling the police & child services it was a 'spank' and the kid was exaggerating. It suddenly became a lot harder to lie about beating the living day lights out of your kids. Parents have just become a bit sneakier about their abuse. Before this ban was passed, my teachers would see marks and bruises on me and call the police or CPS. Mum would twist the story to 'I'm just punishing her, she's out of control!' (Yes, this 7 year old girl who plays quietly in her room and loves school?) and they would leave. Guess how much worse the punishment was when they left? I have siblings significantly younger than me and now I don't have to worry about that happening to them since I've left. It is not just legally harder to get away with, but now socially too. She finds other ways to be abusive, but finally, there's a line she can cross where she will be legally reprimanded and people around her are starting to not be okay with any of her mess. As a child, when even LEO are telling you you deserve to be beaten and to not complain or speak out, you learn to accept abuse and never speak out again.

[@hyperplayability6290]

Thank goodness we banned this

[@everythingpony]

And what happened?

[@TheChardygirl007]

Same here in Australia. Ended up paying my own rent at 14, when my boyfriend hit me at 15 I put him in hospital and no man has hit me since.

[@ostrovskiartur]

But situation is different when inadequate teen hit u

[@bram13666]

If a parent feels the need to resort to violence in raising a child, getting children was a wrong choice.

[@nielsbishere]

"I have been physically abused by my parents so I can do the same to my kids" - most intelligent child abuse defender

[@markarca6360]

Asian parents

[@TheDankBoi69]

Well, they're stuck in a loop

[@kotsosmanolis879]

Idiott

[@MrFlame-qe2hv]

Mexican parents

[@Karak-_-]

I've had enough kneejerks from people who didn't even read the whole conversation. TL:DR I didn't consider spanking an abuse if it's one time occurence and I'm not going to argue that spanking is rigth or wrong here, I'll leave that to psychologists. A lot of people disagreed with the former, and I doubt You would have anything new to add, besides just stroking your ego.

[@Anita-tm3bi]

US lobbying system is also crazy, most countries call that bribing and is a super no no

[@DaveE99]

I get the sense of we got rid of it we would need to have something to replace it that had different incentives. Like many of them do serve a sort of function as both a knowledge base and connection person. Not always a bad thing. The bad thing is that we don’t have publicly funded elections. Like if we just get that, the lobbying thing isn’t as big of a deal. We also need to pay our reps like enough money that they would vote to ban themselves from investing.

[@marthahawkinson-michau9611]

Honestly the entire reason why the US doesn’t have a significant problem with corruption and bribery is because the entire process has been legalized and made a part of the political process. It’s perfectly legal to take money from political donors, and it’s not considered a bribe. Never mind that those same donors might have similar quid pro quo expectations as anyone else making bribes. Definitely doesn’t make it corruption.

[@phildane7411]

@@marthahawkinson-michau9611 True. There's no need for personal corruption when you are living in a system that is inherently, fundamentally, corrupt.

[@jeanlundi2141]

It IS one of the most mindblowing things about the US, for me as a portuguese. Ya know, I've spoken english since I was 10.......but even after all these years that part of one's brain where you REALLY slow down and put yourself in the headspace of being a native english speaker and being sold the kind of shit sold by that political system in the US ...........it doesn't function naturally on its own. So when I do stop and consider what it would feel for me as a portuguese (mind you we have a lot of government corruption here) , since I was a child, to have this be normal..........it would just baffle me how people wouldn't blame corporations or private interests more right off the bat.

[@marthahawkinson-michau9611]

@@jeanlundi2141 some of us are woke to the degree of corruption in US politics. Those of us that are woke will blame corporate interests. The vast majority of Americans just accept that the system is fine. “We made laws about corruption, therefore it doesn’t happen anymore.” LOL. What those “laws” did was take a practice that had been illegal, and put “restrictions” on it. Totally fixed the problem. No more corruption. Definitely fine. It’s at nearly every level of government at this point, and I don’t actually think it’s any sort of conspiracy.

[@WCM1945]

I got hit with a "switch", a belt, a paddle and a board. Many times, at home and at school. All because I had "problems". Not behavioral problems, but not-finishing-my-homework problems. I fully expected to wind up in prison because I wouldn't be able to finish my taxes on time. Well, I'm 76 YO and I still have "problems". And I see a shrink regularly. Mostly for the moral support I never got as a kid. And I've never been charged with a crime other than speeding.

[@BebbaDubbs]

I became a Resource Specialist ( a case manager for students with IEPs who are in general education classroom settings) because I used to get sent out of my classroom so often I missed months of school some years. Mine were "behavioral" after years of academic failure. I wasn't even diagnosed with Dyslexia until I was 26 and ADHD at 30 while getting my teaching credentials (I'd already dropped out of college once and was about to again) . My blessing was parents who didn't want to beat their children as much as they got beat 💚 even though that was the only thing I feared. I'm so sorry you had to put up with that kind of abuse for educational issues... especially for kids who have internalized issues, anxiety, depression, learning disabilities, language delays Etc tradional educational ideals are straight up abusive. I admire you for being so self aware and being able to take care of yourself where you can. 💜

[@catherinemartin1957]

this isn’t relevant to your comment but you have the same name as my grandfather lol

[@nineteenfortyeight]

Your only problem was your parents.

[@Qwerka]

you look like ilber ortayli + djelal sengor

[@verilyheld]

My bitch of a mother would belt me with the electric cord of a frying pan for my bad math grades. I. was. SIX! I don't give a damn about the troubles my mother had, about how her life had been, was, hard, whipping me to break me of my math block. All whipping did was make me dread math more. I tried poisoning myself with milk and Vitamin D tablets to save me. (I was six, remember!) Didn't work.

[@notiddymothbirlfriend]

"I was hit and I turned out fine!" has the exact energy of "I ate all the lead paint off my toys and I'm perfectly normal!" and "Calm down, dear, the asbestos snow isn't going to hurt you" combined.

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Spanking is a prerequisite to good parenting

[@Modekiller1]

If you put your hands on a stove would you touch it again? No, same thing, if you do something wrong, and get hit over it, you'll learn not to do it again, simple.

[@Sandstheskeleton]

@@Modekiller1if kids are hit over something, then they just learn to do it in secret

[@Dah_jeff]

@@Modekiller1it causes children to lose faith/trust in their parents, as humans are hard-coded to dislike physical threats. This leaves the child with a lack of trusted ones and guarantees of safety when at home. Kids sleeping and eating in a place where they distrust/dislike/fear those in power can lead to some the following: 1. Intense anxiety, lifetime guarantee, 2. Intense rigidity, due to the intense negative stimuli associated with not being rigid. Good luck with ever being flexible about things! 3. Pathological lying, manipulating, etc. Kids will learn to do some real shady things in order to avoid trouble, and good luck getting rid of that, since it was hard-coded into them from a young age. 4. Violent tendencies. Almost all mammals, especially primates (includes us), learn to act certain ways from how others act, especially parental figures & role models. If parents happen to act violent towards their kid, then that kid will learn to be violent from them. 5. Depression. “Is the negative stimuli too intense? Well, too bad! We need to survive, and if this whole happiness/sadness thing isn’t working out, we’re turning it off and focusing on survival!” said the brain as it got rid of most emotions. 6. Inability to make moves/take risks(?). This is kind of hard to describe, but let’s use your stove example here: Kid burns his hand on the stove, and it hurts REALLY badly, so bad, in fact, that he becomes terribly scared of going near the stove, especially if he manages to have that happen multiple times. Now, fast-forward to near-adulthood, and that person might still be afraid of burning himself on the stove, but has to learn to use it; however, if their childhood fears of burning their hand on a stove remains, they might experience some troubles with learning to use the stove, ranging from a singular hesitation to a full-blown panic attack. Now, multiply those stoves within that kids life (crossing the road, using knives, upsetting people, being by themself), and you never know if that kid might suddenly be unable to to things as an adult. I think you get it by now. Having a childhood full of strong negative stimuli come from people that should be giving strong positive stimuli while in a place that should be giving you strong positive stimuli during a time where you should be receiving strong positive stimuli can mess with people pretty badly.

[@galaxyjam3742]

@@Modekiller1 Therapy 💀💀

[@macemurphy]

I was spanked/hit a fair amount as a child and never thought anything of it until my boss pointed out that it is not usual for someone to wince just because someone moves quickly near them…

[@shadowskill111]

Ha! As a black man minding his own business moving around a corporate office it happens way more than you think with white women coming around an opposite corner. "Lol, you scared me!" Me: "Would you like me to make more noise on my way to the bathroom or something?"

[@Distress.]

What yes it is. It's literally a normal human response to avoid getting hit, not because of "abuse" because of physics.

[@DoktorSus]

@@Distress. Not really. If you fear that any movement near you might be a direct attack on you, it's clear that you have experienced abuse. Except if you do not trust the person to not hit you anyways, but if you were abused by your parents, you probably don't have that judgement for coworkers or strangers.

[@Distress.]

@@DoktorSus Its not a direct attack its reflex.

[@technoschnauzer4327]

@@Distress.There’s a difference between wincing and a usual flinch cause you were taken off guard

[@klarahensen5929]

In Denmark you can vote blank, by doing this you still vote, but you don’t have to choose a specific party

[@ville6211]

Donald duck is also a good choice. Usually better than actual candidates.

[@ET13666]

Same in Australia

[@kittkattenn]

@@ville6211 Always Donald Duck

[@marcossonicracer]

same in Brazil. there is even a button on the polling box for that. you show up, show your ID, and what you do in the voting poll is your business and yours alone (besides filming or photographing it,which is illegal, to prevent compelled voting), so much so, that it i guarantee you, there is a dozen of police officers before the booth, no one enters with you (and i mean NO ONE, even if you got a baby or a small kid). the punishment is also true, a small fine. BUT, if you don't show up you can appeal if you got a valid reason (example: you were in ill in hospital, serving the armed forces/police/ working as a medic or essential service personeel, if you were abroad of your electoral home (outside the state if it is a municipal election or country if it is a national election) and in case of out of the country, at the day of the election provided you visit the embassy/contact the closest Brazil embassy/consulate at the day of the poll). but it isn't just a fine, some public services (especially passport) can be suspended untill you get your situation straight (usually by paying the fine or justifying why you weren't there).

[@VirtualizerExtreme]

Same in Mexico

[@KodakYarr]

Not normalizing violence to children leads to more well adjusted citizens that don't find violence normal - Who would have thought!

[@christopherstein2024]

You meam criminalizing it. Beating children used to be normal everywhere and it may still be the norm for most people today.

[@jmreeves89]

I mean, I (and plenty of others) would argue the complete opposite. Just look at actual evidence, and things like facts (i know, facts and evidence are terrible). Also, your specific wording is interesting. You word it as "normalizing violence" to set yourself on a moral highground, when you coulf have easily said discipline and consequences. School shootings are way up. Mass shootings are way up. Violence in general is way up. Menatl health is at a crisis level among youth. The television show The Sopranos (probably before your time, but worth a watch) lightly explored the argument of physical discipline, and i think we can all agree AJ would have been much better off if Tony wouldnt have been stopped by Carm.

[@christopherstein2024]

​@@jmreeves89 You know that when you said we should look at actual evidence and facts that would have been a nice moment to bring up some evidence and facts instead of talking about the Sopranos? You could have dropped a study but you chose to talk about a mafia show where a mob boss beats his son...

[@BryanLu0]

​@@jmreeves89Evidence = anecdote + fiction? Please show me the peer reviewed study

[@Araneus21]

Even if adults do not use violence against children, be it legally sanctioned or out of prefference, other children surely will, and child-on-child violence is not particularly well litigated or properly punished, focusing on punishing parents rather then the children perpetuating the violence

[@Snakeplisskin440]

As someone born in the US and spanked as a child, it's 100 percent messed up. I was spanked for things I did due to having ADHD an Autism and was undiagnosed. I couldn't sit still sometimes. I was loud sometimes. I hated certain foods and textures and clothing textures. I had social issues with understanding things sometimes (sarcasm etc) I have emotional issues from it. (I'm 35 years old) Sometimes when I upset someone I care about, I get an overwhelming feeling of self hatred. I get super depressed, don't talk, don't do anything and just lay in bed. This can last for hours. I wanna self inflict harm on myself for upsetting them. But that's normal right? That's not something else. Completely normal.

[@guavasandwich]

It's important to note that some countries where voting is mandatory, you still have the right not to choose anybody. In Brazil for example, your only obligation is to show up at the poll. If you don't like any of the candidates you can nullify your vote just fine

[@generatoralignmentdevalue]

He did actually say that.

[@k.v.7681]

Same in Belgium. You sign the register, go in the voting booth, and are perfetly entitled to doodle on the slip, give it back blank, make it invalid by crossing all of the names.... Because the vote is secret. Those tend to be counted in other ways (null and blank), which gives a good metric of people's actual interest for politics, and a notion about the victorious candidate's "real legitimacy". Having somebody win with 30% because 45% voted blank or null is a good indicator that they're not that representative of people's will and desired policies.

[@rodU65]

Same in my contry. Vote is mandatory, it is a right and civil duty. Ofcourse you can vote for anything, even vote for nothing, but you are responsable of your decisions. People accept this and no one question the legality or results of any election as 90%+ decided in a free election.

[@FantasmaNaranja]

the biggest issue in countries where it's not mandatory is that the country doesnt have to provide easy access to voting since they can just say people didnt want to vote instead of having to justify why the reason so many people didnt vote was that it wasnt accessible (this was a huge issue during the 2016 presidential vote in the US for example, a lot of the red states provided the bare minimum and didnt even allow people to give others water bottles so as to discourage democrat voters)

[@YdenMk-II]

@@FantasmaNaranja There's also the issue that election day in the US isn't any sort of holiday. Losing those working hours isn't really a choice they can make since there are places where people are waiting hours in line just to attempt to cast their ballot.

[@twinklingwater]

In Germany there's a difference between not voting and returning a blank/invalid ballot. If you don't vote, nothing is counted. If you vote invalid, your vote counts to the total number of votes, thus reducing the percentages of all parties. This doesn't affect the winner, but it has an effect on things like the amount of money a party gets from the state.

[@Bethgael]

That's the case in Australia, too.

[@pianopolly]

That is true, although it needs to be stressed that the financial effect is extremely small. I did this on occasion, but other than feeling a bit self-righteous for a few days, it didn't do anything. And I think that's a mistake; there should absolutely be a way to signal that you went out of your way to make voice registered, but decidedly did not give it to any one party. Just like the "none of the above" option mentioned in the video. Or, as other parties are suggesting repeatedly, just change the system entirely. But I'm not sure I will still be alive to witness such a monumental change.

[@bugsygoo]

Isn't it also true that you are required in Germany to have a mullet if you are working class?

[@Llortnerof]

@@pianopolly That's not quite accurate. Sure, one individual will be a minor loss. But then, one individual is also only a tiny fraction of the total voters, so it *should* only be a minor effect. If a significant fraction votes invalid, the party will feel it.

[@Llortnerof]

@@bugsygoo No, but you are required to not have one if you're not, on pain of everybody laughing at you.

[@abetts123]

Can we finally make a yearly voting holiday? “You can legally go vote but don’t take more than a few hours or you’re fired”

[@mateoferretto2175]

Here, voting is compulsory. And there is, indeed, no work that day. Except for like hospitals and emergency services, nothing is open. Also, it is illegal to sell alcohol some time before and after the election day.

[@zadinal]

Early voting is regularly available in every state. So no? It will literally only matter for government employees and banks if you made it a holiday.

[@Datboichannel]

@@mateoferretto2175 where?

[@mikejunt]

@@Datboichannel There are several places it could be, but the most notable is Australia.

[@Datboichannel]

@@mikejunt that sounds great

[@danthesquirrel]

In the US we can also put cancer causing substances in our food if it's cheaper than non-cancerous alternatives. Although American cheese can't even legally be sold as cheese here. It's a pasteurized processed cheese product (which won out over "embalmed cheese" in the original FDA debate over what it could be sold as).

[@eldoriath1]

As for voting participation, Sweden get about 80-85% participation with voluntary voting. You just show up, show ID and vote, simple as that. I've heard a big reason for the low US voting is that it requires multiple steps in order to vote combined with not being mandatory allowed time off from work in order to go voting.

[@MrGreen876]

Not necessarily multiple steps. But you have to be a Registered Voter. Which usually is done when getting your driver license/personal ID. And yes, finding time to get to the booth is sometimes hard since they close around the same time that factories let out. Let alone retail/transport workers

[@cringeginge7663]

Agree except for the multiple steps part

[@JV-pu8kx]

The step of voter registration in the U.S. is required because there are restrictions. For example: You don't want someone who just move in to go out the next day to cast a vote in a local election without having the opportunity to learn about the issues, platforms, etc. And you loose your voting rights by being convicted of certain crimes. Unfortunately, there are flaws in every system.

[@MrGreen876]

@@JV-pu8kx sounds about like what happened when we started letting slaves and women vote...

[@eldoriath1]

@@JV-pu8kx Yeah, and I have a funny feeling that "rich people crimes" doesn't make you loose your right but "poor people crimes" do? I just don't think that being a criminal in general should make you loose your right to vote, and certainly if it isn't very aimed at those that are more prone to committing crime due to being financially vurnerable. Kinda just makes a negative feed-back loop.

[@Efaya13]

My parents are from Europe and they refused to use physical punishment on us growing up. Part of it is how they view that overseas, but also they had some brutal experiences growing up that made them swear to never do it to their own children.

[@animeartist888]

My mother took this idea and kinda backfired it. She still spanked and sometimes backhanded us in the face. Her reason? Her father used switches, whips, and belts on her and she wouldn't do that to us. Ummmmmm you're still causing physical pain???? How is this a solution???? Can speak from experience- it doesn't make you learn not to do the behavior, it just makes you learn not to get caught.

[@delusion5867]

@@animeartist888 assault is still assault, no matter the weapon

[@Candyy248]

Same for my dad, but he got hit by belt :/ Oh well, and my mom too, both never hit me :v

[@travisspicer5514]

@@animeartist888 That isn't disciplinary. That is abuse. As my mother says, spanking is one of the last tools to be used with a child who is out of control (for whatever reason) and should be done one time and right. If it is done right the first time you should never have to do it again. The memory is enough that a warning suffices going forward.

[@ezekielanderson9055]

So you want kids to not be punished and grow up to be a-holes?

[@nighthawk043]

Regarding Voting in Australia: It's compulsory for Federal and State Elections & Referendums, but not for the smaller local government (edit: depending on state. I wasn't aware but it's apparently also compulsory in some states). In addition, while you are required to vote, there's no requirement for your vote to be a "valid" vote. It is perfectly legal to walk into an election booth, cover your voting slip in nothing but phallic imagery, or in fact to write nothing on the ballot at all. This is called an informal vote, and is a valid way to say "I don't like ANY of these candidates".

[@kaspianepps7946]

Fun phallic voting fact: at a UK general election a few years ago, someone drew a penis in one of the boxes on their ballot. As it was entirely within the box it was considered a valid vote for that candidate.

[@AnotherDoug]

It is compulsory to vote in local government elections (except Western Australia and South Australia) - fine is $55 in New South Wales. [Edit to add exceptions to compulsory voting] You are correct that there is no obligation to write anything on the ballot paper - so, if that's your intention, just leave them blank or put a big cross through them. No-one needs to read your misspelt attempt at writing swear words or anatomically incorrect art - people do have to look at these papers during counting.

[@meeukdjilba1439]

@@AnotherDoug It isn't compulsory to vote in local government elections in some states such as Western Australia while in others like New South Wales it is. Not sure why it's inconsistant at the local level.

[@TEDdeMedici]

Local government elections have compulsory voting. A lot of people just don't and the commissions usually don't chase people there.

[@guigazalu]

In Brazil, we "nullify" our vote, usually pressing just 0s. But I'd NOT recommend it, worse when we are pretending a tactic os sustenance of a bourgeoisie democracy will be enough to defeat fascism.

[@mariobosnjak99]

"I got hit with a strap and ive never been to a shrink" ok... thats your problem, not the worlds

[@justjoshin69]

Has the same energy as “I only get 4 hours of sleep a night”

[@PixelBytesPixelArtist]

i find it insane that it would be legal for a teach in many states to injure an unknown child in their school without consent but if they did the same to an adult they would get sent to jail. Under what context is it morally okay to assault another human and the only reason is because they go to an educational facility that they are legally obligated to attend? Schools are equipped with hundreds of more humane ways of dicipline

[@jamielancaster01]

In middle school I was paddled once for minor infraction. The next day my father who at 6’6” was a mountain of a man had a meeting with the principal and the coach who paddle to me - my father told them that if I was ever paddled again he would come back here and he would paddle them. I was a good kid & thankfully I never got paddled again.

[@Sinaeb]

did the coach get paddled at least?

[@iHelpSolveIt]

My mother did the same to my high school. She was the scariest person I ever knew when she was furious.

[@antarcticagreenland2703]

That would be funny if he did paddle them

[@soulscanner66]

There's a great video of Paul McCartney describing George Harrison's dad dropping a teacher that hit him. Worth googling KZbin for it. Bottom line, hitting kids is for cowards.

[@no3ironman11100]

That story is one that's heard a lot when the teacher's desire to hit the kid contrasts the parent's not to. It's honestly based how many parents have said those things "If you hit my kids again, you will be the next one to be hit"

[@aurenian8247]

A key factor of the Australian system is they make it really easy to vote. It's always on a weekend, there are polling stations all over the place in schools and public offices. There is early voting, postal voting, absentee voting. You can be on holiday in another country and send in a form to vote if you are an Australian citizen.

[@MariaPaula-uw3ds]

In Brazil elections are on Sundays and people can choose where to vote so its close to their home

[@jacoblister]

Mullets are also compulsory in Australia

[@chanterelle483]

As it should be.

[@adalbertocardoso4920]

A curious little unknown fact about Brazil's 1 dolar fine is that it actually works as a deterrent in 2 cases: 1. Everyone knows there is a fine, but a small, yet non-negligible part of the population doesn't know how much is it. It's public information, but I've met my fair share of people who thought it was a lot more, so they went to vote not to be fined until someone told them. 2. Not that long ago, the process to pay your fine was more of a pain in the ass than to go voting. You had to go to the proper government building, get the bill, then to to the correct bank, stay in line, etc. Nowadays you ca just do it through an app, but remember the people from 1 who didn't know the fine was a dollar until someone told them? Some of them didn't get this memo either. Bonus curiosity: If you can't pay the fine you don't have to. I know this isn't how fines are supposed to work, but if you're homeless or in some super vulnerable situation you just have to sign a paper saying you can't pay and the fine gets pardoned.

[@feedthepanda_92]

As an Aussie, Democracy Sausages are a national treasure, and there are even maps of voting locations that have sausage sizzles and if there are vegetarian options. Would looove to know if other countries have anything similar

[@belgiumball2308]

Most normal aussie thing

[@falcolf]

Lol I love that there's food bait to get you there, that's fantastic 😂❤

[@jimatsydney]

​@@falcolfWe all have to go there anyway, so let's make it a bit of fun. It's always on a Saturday too.

[@feedthepanda_92]

@@falcolf Only on the actual voting day. No democracy sausages for early voters :p

[@allangibson8494]

@@feedthepanda_92Unless you drop by Bunnings…

[@ellieahearn4055]

Parental rights tends to just be a way to say children don’t have rights. A “parental right” to hit your kid is just a way to phrase the stripping of children the right to not get hit in a positive light.

[@jmreeves89]

No, parental rights clearly means...parental rights...lmao The right to choose how you parent your children and to be free from government being in charge of parental decisions. I can't tell if you're trolling or a fool, but either way congrats - cause you've done well at both

[@Thicc_Boyo]

@@jmreeves89 Americans really have to do some crazy mental gymnastics to fight for the right to abuse children. Yikes.

[@serenityf.6234]

​@@jmreeves89 children are not possessions, they are just as much a human being and person as you, so to say that it's a "parental right" to beat children is quite literally saying a child doesn't have the right to be protected from violence...if you would hit an adult it would be considered assault ...

[@jmreeves89]

@@serenityf.6234 you clearly are being sensationalist and choosing to argue in bad faith. No where did I justify children being "beat".

[@joemann7971]

@@serenityf.6234 The problem with kids is that they don't always learn everything from you. Kids do learn bad behaviors from other kids and you cannot control that. There could be other way to deter this bad behavior. Unless you have boatloads of money where you can simply move your kid to another school, and away from bad influences, spanking might be necessary in some situations. If you grew up poor among other poor kids, you would know that spanking was probably the only real deterrent that kept us from going on a bad path. I bet if you could actually get accurate evidence in how many kids spanking prevented from becoming criminals, you would probably not be so opposed to it. Granted, there is always better solutions, but those solutions may not be available to all parents.

[@neonshower]

I often had to face pretty intense corporal punishment as a child when I had emotional meltdowns (not even really misbehaving, just crying) and I never understood why. At 23 i was finally diagnosed with autism and now my parents feel guilty because that is obviously extremely unhelpful. Too often parents jump to hitting without even explaining why the child is being punished. If they cannot understand, all it does is traumatize them. Even if they do understand their wrongdoing, how insecure do you have to be as a full grown adult and parent that you feel the need to assert your superior physical strength to an ignorant, innocent child

[@JM-wf2to]

​@@KindredBrujah I got hit. I don't whine. I learned lessons. Your kids will be soft AF.Mine won't.

[@whydoineedanameiwillneverp7790]

​@@JM-wf2to What lessons did you learn that you _wouldn't_ have learnt if you didn't get hit? I grew up with kids who were beaten fairly regularly as punishment (slaps/hit with utensils/etc) - and some that only got stern talking to-s. The outcomes were fairly similar in both cases - we sometimes listened and learnt our lessons, we sometimes ignored the beating/talking and continued till we understood the lesson. The only difference in my experience was the kids who were beaten sometimes did shit to intentionally goad their parents - because "I am risking a beating" bought you some street cred that "I am risking a stern talking to" didn't.

[@RedTail1-1]

Everyone has Autism

[@christopherstein2024]

"Even if the understand their wrongdoing... innocent child." 🧐🧐🧐

[@CT-gl2zj]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of kids out there being physically harmed as punishment for their mental conditions, and it is only making it worse. Like they can just beat you into being neurotypical. Beat the anxiety and depression out of someone else. Beat kids out of having learning disorders. Etc, etc.

[@martinrotvig]

It blows my mind that “parental rights” supersedes children’s basic human rights in the US!

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Children don't have a right to avoid punishment

[@potassium1311]

​@@antonioiniguez1615 they have the right to not be assaulted, as do all human being. Hope this helps!

[@antonioiniguez1615]

@ Spanking isn’t assault

[@martinrotvig]

@ it very much is. It’s a violation of the children’s human rights accords, which the US is the only nation who haven’t signed on too, because you view children as slaves.

[@antonioiniguez1615]

@ It very much isn't. The children's human Rights Accords means absolutely nothing

[@maxrobertson2834]

I remember being spanked by my parents for making weird noises, being hyper, being loud/annoying, and not being able to read. Turns out I am Neuro divergent and now can’t express how I feel even tho I know I won’t be hit. Don’t hit your children

[@10tailedbijuu]

sounds like we just need kids to get free tests for these things. and to neuter the majority of people in these countries that seem to not have patience with kids, sorry i see just way tooo many of this at my retail job

[@berdwatcher5125]

highland cow supremacy.

[@onrean]

Your experience matters but don't think you have the right to mandate in all circumstances how those with children handle discipline.

[@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat]

@@10tailedbijuu Authoritarian much?

[@HakaYonder]

@@onrean Don't hit your children.

[@brezza6892]

In Australia you can skip voting and use any reasonable excuse. I've had my mail mixed up and wasn't aware of voting dates and I was excused of my fine without proof.

[@LordOfElysium]

Wait.. some countries you HAVE to vote? No one really cares if you Vote or not in my country, some people don’t even know when voting season is-

[@cabinboycott]

@@LordOfElysium did you not watch the video?

[@NuclearRaven13]

@cabinboycott well, at least he wouldn't need to vote in Brazil.

[@dianasosa1301]

It's the same thing in Brazil. You can justify or pay a symbolic fine. I didn't vote in the first round of the last elections because of my sister's wedding.

[@niadh5913]

I think compulsory voting is a good idea but there also has to be a none of the above option. If none of the above wins tjen you have to rerun the election. Maybe then the parties will shape up?

[@sofiacunha6119]

It’s worth mentioning that, while it is mandatory to show up at the elections in Brazil, there is the possibility of a blank or null vote if the person absolutely does not want to vote for any of the candidates. It is still secret, like any other vote, and it provides some useful additional statistical information on the political preferences of the population.

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

Same here in Germany.

[@xijinping880]

its like that in australia too

[@pauloaz496]

In Argentina is like that too

[@danilolimadossantos1]

Not only that, you are only required to vote if you are at your home city in the date of the elections. You are not required to travel to vote, and can either justify the same day with a few clicks on your phone, or at any nearby polling location, or afterwards in some specific places.

[@Scorponox93]

"I was hit as a child and I'm ok" says guy who is very clearly having a ptsd episode about being hit as a child.

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Spanking isn't hitting

[@Modekiller1]

Y'all's liberal mindsets are really stupid, actions has consequences, if you put your hand on boiling water, and burn your hand, would you do it again? No, same thing, if you do a bad and wrong thing, get hit for it, you'll learn not to do it again.

[@flashrobbie]

I was at a Catholic school with a reputation for brutality when corporal correction became illegal here. Some teachers were raging and threatening to break the law. The other thing about it was that when teachers hit children then children will start bullying each other. It's apparently a different place now but I wouldn't set foot in it ever again.

[@anthonylong9067]

Catholic schools are living hell anyways

[@lzh4950]

My country's schools can even invite all students to witness a student being caned in the school hall/auditorium for serious offences, as this is seen as a way to deter all students from offending

[@archangel996]

an adult hitting and adult: assault an adult hitting a child: "good and normal" parenting

[@Chris_winthers]

Its so weird that people dont think someone under 18 deserves basic rights

[@EgoEroTergum]

My father spanked me once; and explained why before and after. It was because I ran out in traffic. He said: "You cannot learn from experience, if you are dead." That was the only time; and I totally agree with him. I should also mention that I have Asperger's, and would frequently make the same mistakes over and over again. My mother on the other hand, spanked me all the time and it had negative effects; so I can see both sides. I think that it is a tool that intelligent parents can use to teach important concepts and prevent massive pain later in life; I also think that parents can easily slide into taking out frustrations on their children. I think, as a father I would take my own father's route, and only spank my children for engaging in behavior that truly endangered their lives. Playing with a hot stove is a lesson that teaches itself: walking into traffic or train tracks is not a mistake a child can afford to learn the consequences of from experience.

[@verybarebones]

So many parents also hit just to relieve their own frustration rather than for any consistent idea of "discipline". It just teaches your kids violence is a way to let off steam and pain is something to expect from parents

[@I_Eat_Lemons]

@@EgoEroTergum I never learnt from someone intentionally causing pain, in fact it made me want to cause them the same pain they caused me.

[@chocolizard678]

@@EgoEroTergum why is spanking necessary to learn though even for serious lessons? Your opinion only works under the assumption that spanking is a necessity or more effective to teach lessons, an assumption you don't have anything to back up. I fail to see why "you could have died. You can't learn from mistakes that kill you, so you are grounded for 3 weeks." Couldn't have worked instead.

[@libman2006]

When referring to corporal punishment of kids I use the word hitting. Use of other words like spanking or smacking some how serves to minimise an act of violence against children. I was hit as a child for punishment and all it did was teach me not to get caught and to fear my parents.

[@CrazyBear65]

My dad used to hit us with his belt. I learned to be sly and not get busted. I still got busted a couple few times and went to county jail for dumb shit. Best way to avoid jail is not to get busted, and the best way to not get busted is to not allow yourself to be placed in the position to get busted, or in other words, don't steal, don't rob, don't vandalize, and most importantly, _don't drive drunk!_ Now when it comes to smoking pot, no silly "law" ever stopped any individual from exercising our right to pursue happiness. Big Brother is finally being forced to admit that prohibition doesn't work because people are going to continue to do what makes us happy regardless of what Big Brother says or does. I smacked my daughter on the buttocks with an open hand, _one time,_ when she was two, because she bit me. It was more of an instantaneous reaction than a punishment.

[@nielsbishere]

Just call a spade a spade; it's child abuse

[@brandondavis7777]

You say "hitting" because you're not developed enough to know the difference in punishment and abuse.

[@Simplenotion]

@@brandondavis7777 not developed enough huh? Weirdly experts disagree.

[@I_Eat_Lemons]

@@brandondavis7777 Thanks for describing yourself, don't have children.

[@cmdrdyland]

I have severe anxiety disorder from this type of garbage. Many children including myself were chased around the house and "disciplined" their entire life. Chased up and down the house for wanting to stay home from school and play video games. Beaten with the metal end of a belt until I would stop crying. This is not okay. I get terrified at the slightest noises and circumstances now. I was a lot calmer as a child. There is a reason for the increase in Anxiety diagnosis overall, separate to Technology. Nothing to do with TikTok or the 'Algorithm' Children get beat. Their head gets messed up. They perceive the world from a hyper-aggressive point of view then project it onto others without even realizing it. The reason why its so bad is because there is no metric or measurement we can all standardize. Some parents will lightly tap their child's hand with a spoon, which is far more reasonable than beating someone with a metal end of the belt. Each parent has the liberty to go as harsh as they want to, ultimately perpetuating the cycle and causing net harm. I got therapy which helped me self reflect, something which was impossible to do on my own. it SHOULD be Illegal, that is an objective fact. Anyone who says otherwise has trauma they haven't dealt with.

[@giggityguy]

I have to imagine that the legality of corporal punishment for kids makes it really weird to try to prove physical abuse, because it seems like the only way to distinguish the two is for the court to have an official opinion on whether the kid deserved it.

[@Kisai_Yuki]

If you break the skin, or leave a bruise, it crosses the line from "a slap/spanking" to "assault", which is why teachers are usually unwilling to resort to it, and haven't generally since the 80's. Teachers would still threaten to do so by slapping a yard stick against a chair though. Private schools on the other hand... If you've seen on the news over the last few years about the discovery of bodies at indian(native) schools run by the catholic church. You see why corporal punishment shouldn't be dished out by teachers at all.

[@no-cv4dx]

I read all forms of "corporal punishment" as misdemeanor battery in every state. It's punishment enacted without any judicial oversight. Disgusting practice, and anyone who does it deserves to get the paddle taken from them and whacked until they can't use their arms again.

[@rahmadrenaldi2624]

@@Kisai_Yuki yeah, but that's catholic church. They aren't normal school, they're literally an organized cult and you wonder why they kill more children in their schools than peta kill dogs in their shelters

[@help4343]

@@tlihdsnm26947 how-you-going? Is that supposed to mean something?

[@LabGecko]

@@Kisai_Yuki It is quite a simple thing to kill someone without breaking the skin or leaving a bruise. Watch a few mobster movies and you'll see examples that also work in real life.

[@alexc2265]

Declawing cats is banned in 39 countries, including nearly all of Europe, plus nearly all of Canada.

[@mehere8038]

yet clipping birds wings is still legal almost everywhere

[@alexc2265]

@@mehere8038 Birds are meant to be free

[@mehere8038]

@@alexc2265 yes they are, but it's also still legal to cage them in most countries too & in most countries, to even cage them alone, in many cases leading to them self-harming cause of how distressed they are with the conditions they're kept in

[@alexc2265]

@@mehere8038 yeah, I don’t believe in driving animals into self harm. The world’s laws are so anthropocentric.

[@mehere8038]

@@alexc2265 yup. Kinda ironic though isn't it that it's illegal in so many countries to remove the claws from cats, BUT it's fully legal to remove birds ability to get away from cats, causing their likely deaths in the process. I've got 2 rescues, one that can't fly/has fused wings from a decade in a TINY cage, the other that can fly but for whatever reason (no doubt relating to his past) hates to do so. I spent lots of time on flight training with him to make sure he could land safely if he did get startled & take off & he has flown off a couple of times when outside & then got stuck in trees, cause he's too scared to fly back down lol but all the problems both my rescues have are a direct result of a previous owner who didn't understand their needs & didn't bother to learn what they were :( They are 2 VERY emotionally & physically messed up little birds because of how they were treated in their prior life! VERY common story with captive birds though, tehy're the most surrendered pet, cause they have intense needs & far too many owners get them cause they look cute, but have no clue on their needs, then they do things like wing clipping, which means the birds only way to defend themselves is to bite, since they can't fly away when scared, so then they get abused by their owners because they're seen as "problems" cause they bite & on & on down the spiral! Very sad! Like you say, all about the humans, no thought into the animals needs

[@roberthoward4741]

Hannity "I deserved it I was a troubled kid" Jesus this explains so much. Dude got the sense beat out of him.

[@generatoralignmentdevalue]

It sounds like the only choice he had to rationalize the world around him was to start believing that even kids sometimes deserve that kind of abuse, and that he was just inherently bad. I wish we had to imagine the sort of politics that could make you spout if you never addressed it in therapy first.

[@InternetMameluq]

Troubled by tyranny, yeah. Anyone who needs proof that child abuse causes fascism doesn't need to look long. Fun fact: Hitler, Mao Zedong, and Stalin were all abusively beaten by their father. It's not a coincidence that they all developed a cruel disregard for human dignity... and were obsessed with corporal punishment as a form of 'discipline' for adults.

[@marcomobson]

And sadly it teaches us, that there is only one possibility to get sensible thoughts into little Seanie's mind... 🙈 Who wants to be first?

[@JaWick_WitaStick]

Man it so crazy how so many people view the world in balck in white still

[@Fluffkitscripts]

“I got beat and I turnd out ok!!” No you didn’t, you’re trying to beat kids. You lost a few brain cells at least.

[@andersanden3221]

Being a Swede and living in the states. I get furious when parents talks about spanking as an adult. Also it should be illegal hitting your pets.

[@tuna1000]

I think it is illegal to hit pets

[@hobbitomm]

In compulsory voting systems there is no problem with spoiling your ballot (eg writing "none of the above"). But you get to actively do it, and you avoid a lot of voter suppression measures.

[@arahman56]

Yeah, Compulsory voting in the US would actually just be more voter suppression.

[@mehere8038]

@@arahman56 how so?

[@arahman56]

@@mehere8038 Many places in the US already make it pretty hard to vote (requiring specific ID that requiring spending at least one day off work to get, limited voting stations etc). If voting were to be made compulsory on top of that, it would only further hurt the people who can't afford to take any days off work, and could just even be another way to restrict their right to vote.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

@@arahman56 That is actually really common outside the IS, including countries that may actually require voting. That said, I believe that if such requirements exist, and there are arguments to be made, then hard work should go into ensuring that everyone can have access to this ID if they are eligible to vote.

[@hedgehog125]

Makes sense. It's counted as a different thing as it means you cared enough to turn up but are dissatisfied with all the options

[@Alexander-kc8oq]

"I was hit with a strap *bam bam bam* and I´ve never been to a shrink" This explains a lot about Sean Hannity

[@iantha999]

hahahaha, that's exactly what i tought.

[@johnshite4656]

He should have mentioned that it was his skull they were thwacking over and over. Wouldn't stop until he stopped responding and sat there with drool running down his bloodied chin. "And if you even THINK of becoming responsive before bed time we will send you to bed with no dinner!!!" It's okay that he's never been to a therapist, he's beyond helping.

[@iantha999]

@@johnshite4656 Hi John, fun to see a fellow Cardanoian in the comments xD

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

It also sounds like his parents probably went too far even for what most supporters would consider appropriate. He acts like an absolute raving nutter.

[@InternetMameluq]

'This explains a lot about Sean Hannity' Yeah, I thought he looked like a potato because he was Irish, but it turns out it's because he had his face rearranged by a drunken irish dad.

[@BunnySquishums]

When I was in 3rd grade, I struggled to stay focused on schoolwork. My teacher was a total b*tch who yelled at her students, and she would call me a "bonehead slacker" or "dumb as rocks" when I didn't do my work correctly. My grades got so bad that my dad spanked me as punishment. I am 28 now, and I never put a single ounce of effort into school after that day. I tried so hard to be a good student for my awful teacher, but my dad only cared about how my grades were. Being hit made me realize that my effort doesn't matter if the result isn't perfect. Also I don't talk to my dad anymore. Turns out the kind of man who hits his kid is just a bad person all around.

[@1SCme]

*It is a lazy, ineffective punishment* - the better punishment would have been for your dad to force you to sit at the dinner table and study, then he would have known you were trying and not just slacking. *The effectiveness drops with repetition* - we have all known kids in school who didn't care about getting spanked. *It is often more about the adult acting on their own frustration more than correcting the behavior* which diminishes its effectiveness more, and teaches children physical violence to express dissatisfaction is acceptable. I was the youngest of 5 with a big age difference between most of us. My mom spanked my oldest siblings, but realized it wasn't effective, and also had negative effects. By my time, she believed the only time a child might be spanked was if it involved a child undertaking an action that risked their safety (example - running away from home as a child).

[@ShadowTasos]

@@1SCme No offense but your solution of "your dad to force you to sit at the dinner table and study" is also not really effective, because we know for a fact that children cannot really absorb anything on an empty stomach - they need to be eating with other people at the dinner table, not studying and feeling like a punished outcast. More often than not, children who are struggling with their studies usually have underlying problems that they need help with. Sometimes it'll be something medical or psychiatric, like ADD or dyslexia -- calling these kids slackers and telling them they just need to study harder is just kinda cruel. They need actual help, that they'll never get while their problems get blamed on them being slackers and what have you. But other children who just don't follow schoolwork as well, just need guidance. A parent can sit down and help the child study. They can help them with the parts they don't get. Personal tutors can offer just that as well. That's the real solution there. And sorry to say but being spanked for wanting to leave your house just reinforces the urge to want to live your house lol. Spanking and other forms of corporal punishment are just a lazy way of feeling like you're addressing a problem, when you are not. If your child wants to run away from home, you talk to them and figure out wtf you're doing wrong for them to feel that way. Spanking them just teaches them that violence is the answer to problems, that's all.

[@1SCme]

@@ShadowTasos You're lost - the dinner table is being referred to as an example location or piece of furniture, not an event, I didn't support name calling - you did a lot of typing to avoid reading. I can attest 1st hand that spanking, in limited use, most certainly did discourage repetition of the dangerous activity (me running away again), was more effective than just a good talkin' to. Your jump that it would teach me to embrace violence, or encourage me to do it again, is ridiculous... but you know this, evidenced by your silly belief that adding "lol" supports your foolish claim in prose when little to none exists in reality.

[@1SCme]

You're lost Prideqt - the dinner table is being referred to as an example location or piece of furniture, not an event. I didn't support name calling. You did a lot of typing to avoid reading. I can attest 1st hand that spanking, in limited use, most certainly did discourage repetition of the dangerous activity (me running away again), was more effective than just a good talkin' to. Your jump that it would teach me to embrace violence, or encourage me to do it again, is ridiculous... but you know this, evidenced by your silly belief that adding "lol" supports your foolish claim in prose when little to none exists in reality.

[@karenbauer8968]

You don't hit people that you love (if they don't ask for it ;)). It is that simple.

[@NiktheGreek7]

spanking and/or paddling and/or slapping a kid by a caregiver and/or teacher is considered child abuse in Greece and most of the EU. As it should be.

[@melandri123]

having mandatory voting makes voting suppression in a democracy almost impossible. the state has to provide enough voting centers, all citizens are automatically registered to vote and the elections are in a day that everyone can vote.

[@apacheattackhelicopter8410]

It also encourages people to just vote at random possibly picking a bad candidate

[@bitcidic]

@@apacheattackhelicopter8410well then provide an option to abstain from voting

[@apacheattackhelicopter8410]

@@bitcidic you achieve the same result by just not voting at all

[@bitcidic]

@@apacheattackhelicopter8410 you’d have to actually still say that you abstain though, meaning the suppression of voting issue is still subsided

[@satirics7701]

​@@apacheattackhelicopter8410 you can literally submit an empty vote

[@DouglasHollingsworth1]

5:50 - imagine that. When you raise a generation without the trauma of physical violence as a core childhood memory, they tend to statistically be less violent as they get older. What a novel concept.

[@EvileDik]

Much easier to control the populace, not so good if you're at the beginnings of decades of resource war.

[@RamsayBolton13]

@@EvileDik there doesn’t need to be a resource war. We have the tech to produce needed resources it’s just that people prefer profit over lives

[@EvileDik]

@@RamsayBolton13 I'd like to see the tech solution to most of the equator being uninhabitable in the next 20 years. Ukraine is just the start. But I'm going way off topic, a violence free civilisation is a noble aspiration, just not pragmatic while you share a world with those who will just take it as a sign of weakness. Also it's kind of hard to police a populace without the implied threat of violence.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@RamsayBolton13 Because profit, or rather; well being is generally more important than lives, yes. This recent war in Ukraine proves that; the West might generally be willing to deal with the pain of economic damage, but most of the world doesn't care. And the West's stance is more a product of ideology and realpolitik.

[@AveragePicker]

@@EvileDik "a violence free civilisation(sic)...who will just take it as a sign of weakness. ..." That is absolutely absurd and if it were even remotely true places like Somalia would be the viewed as the strongest and most respected.

[@Tinyflower1]

I think it's funny when someone says you should be allowed to physically abuse children and cites that they were physically abused as children and then say "I turned out alright"...except for the part were you advocate for physical abuse of children lol

[@annaelizabzth]

Say it louder

[@billycox475]

Yep, they have no idea how much better they might've turned out if not for the abuse. I really hate the "muh dad beat my ass and I turned out alright" thing. It's just so wrong

[@southernfriedwestcoaster]

Fr

[@crystallinemushroom4803]

stockholm syndrome@@billycox475

[@hazeltree7738]

"I turned out alright" seems to usually mean "I find this normal". For instance, if you bottle up all your emotions, get angry at small things very easily and believe hitting and shouting at children helps them learn, you did not turn out alright! Go to therapy

[@liamh2001]

I'm an Australian and I used to hate the idea of mandatory voting. I now actually think it's a good thing. Making voting a duty stops political shenanigans that try to encourage people not to come out to vote. I've heard of such nonsense happening in the US. Plus it makes moderates come out and vote too, not just the people who really really care, which I think is good to have the non fanatical voters be more engaged. Overall I think it makes our political system more robust. Just my opinion.

[@micdoodle2286]

Hey guys! Future (in less than 3 months) mental health nurse here. Spanking and other forms of physical punishment can absolutely hinder the growth both literal and metaphorical of your child. Explaining why they are wrong is key to effective punishment. Remember when you're yelling at a young child your not yelling at a grown ass adult. They don't understand why you are yelling at them. You are their guardian and they look to you for what is right and wrong.

[@COPROO]

What is a mental health nurse? You mean a psychotherapist?

[@izzatihassan1475]

My country's ministry of education has outlawed this in schools. Surprised that America still has em in some states!

[@christinewalker7242]

When I misbehaved in public, my parents would tell me to stop. If I didn't after a few times, they would take me to the car and put me in time out (they were in the car with me the whole time, didn't just leave me). Later that day at home when I was in a calm mood, they would talk to me, tell me what I did wrong and ask me if there was a better way I thought I could have expressed my emotions. That was so effective because I knew why I was being punished and didn't get told the correct solution, but had to think what it was.

[@christinewalker7242]

@uNnHkP8mza That is horrible! My parents are strong believers in the not be violent but being stern when needed approach. Not being my friends but also not being my enemies. Being my safety and keeping the world safe from me. Not reviling in saying no, but always ready to say it if needed. I think that has allowed me to be well adjusted.

[@doctorwyvern9992]

And if that doesn’t get the child to change their behavior?

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

“I was hit with a strap - BAM! BAM! BAM! - and I’ve never been to a shrink!” That explains… so much.

[@quarterlifecrisisstudio4265]

My emotionally abusive sperm donor would say "you're lucky i don't use the belt like my dad did" and phrase it as a good thing. The fact that some people take pride in that they used to be hit by a belt is disturbing.

[@drugdealerwithabadassclo-oe6ox]

My parents beat me together and were kicking my face while I was on the floor one time.

[@giuliagabriela9729]

Oh I get you, mom used to say that she didn't want to break the broom on me It's past the time we stop this generation trauma

[@t.l.c7481]

When I got the belt, I put on tons of underwear to reduce the blows.

[@Feathertail2205]

While I don't condone fearful threats, I think what he was trying to say is "be grateful I'm more merciful to you than my parent(s) were to me" but regardless it's not something proud nor nice to be said.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

@@Feathertail2205 More like "be grateful I don't beat you more". Not using a belt is not much of a mercy.

[@emeraldaly7646]

Charles Ferndale was *sentenced* to death in 2013. It was never carried out; his sentence was commuted in 2016 and he was returned to England. He was surely alive in November 2022 when the Byline Times did a feature on him, which also stated he was living as a free man at that time.

[@PaulineMontagna]

I'll tell you what’s illegal in my country and legal in America: in Australia it’s against the law to do anything to limit or impede my ability to vote! That is what compulsory voting is really about. It's my duty to vote, and it's the state's responsibility to ensure I have the opportunity to vote and that nothing interferes with my right to vote. That is democracy.

[@zoundstreetop]

I like the idea of compulsory voting.

[@tubbysnowman]

@@zoundstreetop Technically it's compulsory attendance. you just need to go and get your name ticked off, you can then hand in a blank ballot or draw silly pictures on the ballot paper.

[@marylut6077]

US Federal law also protects everyone’s constitutional RIGHT to vote. Even if US had compulsory voting attendance, that doesn’t guarantee every person’s vote carries the same WEIGHT in national elections, because we are a republic. Because states vote for President and VP, some states have such a small population that they only get to cast 3 or 4 electoral votes compared to populous California with 55 and Texas with 38. Another way to dilute votes is gerrymandering, where the party in power draws the local voting district lines so their supporters are the majority in the district and then the have the majority in the state legislature to pass laws - the district lines can be challenged as unfair via the court system but depending on who has been appointed to the court (some states elect their judges) that ruling doesn’t always result in justice.

[@PaulineMontagna]

@@marylut6077 too true. The American electoral system is open to corruption at its very core and was to all intents and purposes designed that way. The Electoral College for example was specifically created to prevent the rule of the ‘masses.’ It needs to be reformed root and branch.

[@marylut6077]

@@PaulineMontagna so what defect in the Electoral College would you change and how would you correct it?

[@jon2922]

A clever advantage of mandatory voting is that it means everyone MUST get the opportunity to vote, ergo, no more "I want to vote but can't get time off work"

[@samuels1123]

I wonder what the supreme would do when company punishes employees for leaving to vote

[@jon2922]

@@samuels1123 we already see this kind of thing when somebody needs time off for jury service, part time military service or similar things, it's not employer v employee, it becomes employer v government and spoiler, government isn't about to lose.

[@simmerke1111]

Also ensures that there are enough places to vote and that the ques aren't too long, since you're paying people and overtime is more expensive than hiring extra personnel.

[@JQNick]

Ohh no, thats not how it works 🤣 You don’t get a free day off for voting, you either go to a pre-voting station in city hall the week leading up to it, enrol for a postal vote or get asked to pay the dollarydoos when the fine turns up in your mail.

[@JM-rh3nv]

Maybe. OR maybe you will end up with a swath of poor people being fined for being poor.

[@JannPoo]

5:16 thanks for clarifying that you made those up. I would have totally believed that those were real, because at this point I resigned myself to the acceptance that there is no such thing as an idea too stupid and ludicrous for people to support.

[@nielsunnerup7099]

Watching the Onion is the best training to not fall for that sort of thing.

[@dinamosflams]

​@@nielsunnerup7099 the importance of good fiction

[@prettyevil6662000]

@@nielsunnerup7099 Until a bunch of onion stories become real and you can't tell fiction from reality anymore.

[@minneelyyyy]

@@prettyevil6662000 so true. those onion videos were made well over a decade ago and occasionally you see something that doesn't seem so far fetched by today's standards...

[@ezekielanderson9055]

So you want kids to not be punished and grow up to be a-holes?

[@Solrex_the_Sun_King]

To be honest, if someone was put in prison for weed and nothing else, and it's made to no longer be a crime, they should be freed based on that charge.

[@ItzRetz]

I find it pretty ironic how a lot of US politicians use kid's safety as an excuse for the things they're doing, yet *literal child abuse* is protected in every single state. To all the politicians who care about the kids, maybe put your money where your mouth is and ban hitting your kid.

[@Weirdkauz]

Instead of banning Kindersurprise! 😂

[@Natibe_]

For conservatives, kids only matter when they can be used to harass minorities or when they’re not born yet. 😂

[@trippymartian8847]

All the politicians who care about kids:🦗

[@TheSuperappelflap]

The thing is, that not everyone considers giving a kid a slap on the wrist, or a solid spank, abuse. My dad kicked my ass a very few times when I was a kid and I more than deserved that. Making it completely illegal to physically discipline an unruly child is just dumb. What are you going to do then, if they refuse to put on their shoes, go to school, brush their teeth, or go to bed? Just let them do whatever they want?

[@gnommg]

​@@TheSuperappelflap if the only tool you know is a hammer, that's what you'll use to fasten a screw. There are hundreds of better ways to influence a childs behaviour than corporal punishment. Learning by consequence is a common method. If a child doesn't get up in time to get dressed it has to go to day care in pjs. Time out and grounding are debated methods but certainly better than corporal punishment.

[@bert.hbuysse5569]

For the record: in Belgium mandatory voting does not get enforced. However there is a 'lotery' system in which civilians are required to count votes/ help the democratic process. Not turning up when being called for that duty WILL result to you appearing in front of a judge and a hefty fine.

[@PliskinYT]

Do the people who get picked to count votes get paid to do so? Or at the very least compensated for lost wages they would've otherwise gotten?

[@Keneo1]

There is no mandatory voting in belgium, « stemplicht ». There is mandatory turnup « opkomstplicht »

[@bert.hbuysse5569]

@@Keneo1 Yes, true! I was reffering to what appeared in the video on screen.

[@Celtaidd]

@@PliskinYT we vote on sunday morning so most people do not work and no I don't think there are any compensation but you can be excused if you need to go to work (e.g. doctors)

[@wta1518]

The mandatory turnup for vote counting makes sense. It's the same thing with Jury Duty in the US.

[@GranolaGaylord]

I genuinely love that every time you upload you're just a tiny bit closer to becoming unhinged. Your patience is admirable

[@honky-kong]

I had a male teacher spank me with a paddle for saying something he didn't like, and everyone was OK with it. I ran into him a few years later and he said something I didn't like so I spanked him and got arrested. The double standard needs to go away. He was all about spanking when he was bigger than me, but against it when the tables turned.

[@Anxiety_27]

Thank you legand for proving to us😉

[@zanthiablue5254]

As someone living in Australia I didnt know compulsory voting was so rare. What we have always been told is that compulsory voting strengthens our voting rights, since if the government can punish you for not voting it has to be reasonable for you be able to vote. Its not like you actually have to make a legitimate vote once you get there. Plus we get democracy sausages so.

[@stevenglowacki8576]

Oh, I suspect that in America if voting were compulsory, Republicans would just make it EVEN HARDER for undesirables to vote, because that would mean more fines.

[@kerricaine]

i wish our country had mandatory voting. at the last provincial election they did everything they could to prevent students and young adults from being able to get to polling stations. i literally waited 2 hours in line, had my ballot in hand, when i was stopped and had it taken from me and told the center was closing, because it was 6pm. i was a student, and left class early and skipped work that night to go to the polls.

[@Shredding101]

Let's be real. Out of the 90% of the population that voted last election, about two-thirds were there solely for the democracy sausage.

[@cericat]

The sausage sizzle is one thing I've never personally seen as a voter, I'm sure it's common in other parts of the country but not here in Tamworth, yes sadly the Beetrooter is my rep.

[@ItssBrian]

That doesn't really make sense since the inverse isn't true. The inverse would be "the government cannot punish you unless it's reasonable." Obviously false.

[@parkour267]

I think the sheer embarrassment of being spanked by a teacher is cruelty of the utmost foul position.

[@babybird4255]

Trust me some really need it.

[@Grimnoire]

@@babybird4255 fr some teachers have it rough in public schools

[@ScottMStolz]

Depending on the school district, it usually happens in the Vice Principal's office with consent of the parent. Other kids never find out unless the kid spanked tells other kids.

[@hannibalbarca1147]

@@babybird4255 maybe if the teachers had the resources to do their job as well as proper training then the solution would be better than slapping your kid. Simple does not mean good.

[@babybird4255]

@@hannibalbarca1147 Who said slapping? Teachers are outnumbered 20 to 1. They can be very trained, but that doesn't take away from the fact that some kids could use a spanken.

[@elizabethhh2460]

In fourth grade, two kids were bragging about how many spoons their moms had broken by spanking them. This video made me think of that again, and I didn't quite realize how messed up that was

[@Weirdkauz]

Just seconds ago, I put away a wooden spoon, contentedly thinking how hard and durable that thing is...

[@beatlefan713]

Hey I’ll take a wooden spoon over having to pick a switch 🤷‍♂️ 😂

[@user-uo8ny1kj4c]

It's how you either create a masochist or a sadist

[@ky7299]

My mother used to slap me on the lips. She did it without even bothering to tell me what I did wrong, let alone explain why it was wrong. She did it in front of other people or in the street too. It was painful and humiliating and sometimes it would draw blood. Shd would try to get my father to hit me with a belt too but he always managed to avoid doing it. Corporal punishment is illegal in Greece but the ban is rarely enforced on parents as there are still several of the "I came out fine" crowd. However it is very rarely done in the open as many will at least criticize it. When I was a kid it was considered normal and even encouraged. I'm sure it still happens behind closed doors and is never reported as there is lots of "none of my business" and "snitches get stitches" mentality.

[@SophNova]

"And I deserved it, I was a trouble kid" shows how effective demestic violence as a punishment is... There is a reason why children who had a good relationship to their parents, free from violence turn out to be way less likely to commit crimes.

[@goldbullet50]

Imagine being a grown up and not knowing the difference between "spanking" and "child abuse". It's like listening someone lecturing you how eating meat is "animal abuse".

[@SophNova]

@@goldbullet50 Your reading comprehention seems to be lacking.

[@ZhovtoBlakytniy]

​@@SophNova their parents should have taught reading not beating .

[@Fent415]

@nihi well one thing not hitting your kids doesn't cure is grammar or spelling it seems.

[@SophNova]

@@Fent415 I am sorry for typing "demestic" instead of "domestic" and forgetting a comma. English is not my first language so I will naturally make some mistakes.

[@anomaly3215]

it's incredibly ignorant to defend abusing your own child like that, i was spanked as a kid and it made me develop a subconscious fear and distrust of my own parent, so just remember that doing that to your child will instill fear into them, whether you think it will or not, because it will

[@spaghetti5914]

If I am being honest, big supporters of child abuse likely lack enough love and empathy to care if their child is afraid of them or not. This is EXACTLY why child abuse is a dangerous practice, it creates problematic members of society

[@pipers_river]

In Australia, Election Day is always on Saturday - so the majority of people have the day off to go and vote. But if you are working that day you can always vote early (in the two week period prior to election day) or register for postal voting. People in prison do postal voting. They also set up voting booths at hospitals and nursing homes so everyone there can vote on Election Day. Ballots are done on paper but they do offer voting by machine for the blind and people with low vision. If you are unable to sign your name due to a disability you can All of this means that our voter turn-out has never fallen below 90% since 1925. If you really don't like your options you can do an informal vote (draw pictures on your ballot or just number everything in order, etc.). As long as you show up to the poll or submit your ballot in some way you won't get a fine.

[@10tailedbijuu]

not a huge fan of the having to vote law, but I am a fan of the being given the opportunity to vote nearly everywhere, such as nursing homes, hospitals and prisons, and ya got me why we still don't see people in jail as humans.

[@CatastrophicalPencil]

Something that is important to know also about our system is that we have independent federal and state bodies that manage and run elections, that by law has to be politically neutral.

[@CatastrophicalPencil]

​@@10tailedbijuuin Australia it's more of a failure to check yourself off the electoral roll law. Because we enforce secret ballot as fundamental to elections, no-one can observe what you do with your ballot paper when you have it. As far as I'm aware in Australia, you have a democratic right to draw a giant dick and balls on your ballot paper.

[@Paldasan]

@@10tailedbijuu Because in the US they're really indentured servants (slaves) working to make someone else a greater profit margin than they would employing non incarcerated people..

[@ellieb9053]

Yeah and this also means if you can't vote on a Saturday for religious reasons you have the opportunity to do so at another time. I like it. I got fined once for not voting $55AUD. I paid it because I really didn't have an excuse. I was just lazy.

[@AliciaGuitar]

I was a well behaved kid and wasnt spanked much, but I was traumatized by other kids being hit. In school they would spank kids with a giant wooden paddle in front of the whole class. There were two classrooms, so they got it twice. In second grade the teacher sometimes pulled down the kids pants first and paddled their naked butt. Once she made us all line up to get whipped on the hands with a ruler because a few kids were talking. It left bruises. No adult ever got in trouble for it. To this day it literally hurts my bones to see someone get beat like kids were beat when i was little. I am 44 years old now. I DID need therapy. I literally cannot remember a single "spanking" that was deserved. I do remember wondering why i was spanked and asking my mom to explain to me what i did wrong. She said she didnt know but i must have done SOMETHING 😢 all i learned is no matter how good you are, there is no safety.

[@solartaire]

it's so nice seeing my generation (gen z) and millennials being against hitting children as punishment. I was hit a couple times as punishment and it just scared me and I imagine it's the same for many kids. I love the rise of "gentle parenting" where you just explain what the kid did wrong and find solutions together, etc.

[@10tailedbijuu]

yeah, I would sooner do that then spank them, but otherwise not every kid is going to be one who understands when you say not to do something or even cares about when their things are taken away.

[@jdkoz98]

Yeah there’s a fine line… I think if you smack your kid for being fresh then meh but if you’re taking a belt out your just abusing them

[@angeltheweirdo]

I’m glad about that too. I know it caused the depression and suicidal thoughts in some kids. I just hope they’re alive today.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@jdkoz98 hitting a child is not acceptable unless it’s in direct self defence. If you wouldn’t be allowed to hit an adult in that situation, why should you be allowed to hit a child several times smaller than you? People who hit kids because the kid was cheeky are pathetic and frankly weak. Imagine getting so offended by a smarmy kid that you have to resort to violence cause you have no comeback lol

[@prettyevil6662000]

@@jdkoz98 You do not smack a child for being fresh. Jeez. Being fresh is what children do. It's how they test boundaries. Answering their boundary tests with violence teaches that violence is the answer to their own problems too.

[@ex0stasis72]

I was spanked as a child, and all it ended up doing for me is making me into a good liar. I learned out to cover up evidence and convince myself that a lie I fabricated was the truth so that I wouldn't look guilty saying it. I also learned that if I was caught off guard and didn't have a bullet proof lie planned out ahead of time, it was better for me to preserve my reputation of being truthful and confess and take my punishment, but that punishment was punishment for not coming up with a good life ahead of time.

[@KennyNGA]

You sound Kinda sociopathic

[@ZombiZohm]

Then your parents did not add teaching a lesson with the spank and only swatted your behind and left.

[@ethankeating1644]

This is exactly the wrong way to spank a child. Discipline is out of love, sounds like you never understood your parents point in it

[@specialnewb9821]

Honestly this seems like a very important life skill to develop.

[@wta1518]

And now you're ready for a prosperous career as a politician! Your parents truly raised you well.

[@GrayBlood1331]

"I've never been to a shrink!" Really crystalizes the stigma around therapy.

[@pensivelyrebelling]

It also isn’t the flex he thinks it is. Like, we know you’re not fine, dude. You demonstrate it daily on national tv. Therapy might be a good thing.

[@staytuned2L337]

@@pensivelyrebelling agree. Just got to the part where he's beating the desk... o.o mans not okay.

[@catholicdad]

Howso?

[@staytuned2L337]

@@catholicdad it's not really a brag to say you were a troubled kid and didn't get any help for it. Kids act up and out for a reason, and being smacked by the people who are supposed to guide you through how to become a well adjuated adult doesn't do that. Getting the belt doesn't adjust behavior it supresses it and doesn't really teach the kid anything other than "don't get caught"

[@InfernosReaper]

@@staytuned2L337 To be real, a lot of kids just have impulse control and do dumb stuff. The thing is, beatings don't really tend to stop that

[@EmeraldPencil46]

The legal right to abuse children is absolutely disgusting, but what is the law for the child to defend themselves? Especially with teachers, if you’re being hit, you should be able to legally fight back. But if it’s legal to assault them, is it legal for them to defend themselves? And for the not voting one, I do believe you should legally be required to vote, as the turnout rates in many countries are getting smaller and smaller every election. Though, I don’t believe that you should be required to select a candidate. I know that there are people who go to vote, but purposely invalidate it by marking out of boxes, not using an X, submitting blank votes, etc. So they vote, but for no one. You shouldn’t be forced to vote for someone you don’t want, but you can’t just ignore a vital piece of what makes a democracy a democracy, or at least one of the few things left that allows it to be one.

[@wintyrqueen]

It’s weird that physical assault is illegal in the US, unless it’s against a child by a parent

[@johnladuke6475]

Or a teacher.

[@iesika7387]

It's utterly wild. And there's often statutes of limitation that basically prevent young adults from later pressing charges against their abusers. Hitting a kid should get you MORE punishment than punching a stranger on the street, not less

[@namenotfound8747]

Spanking is not the same as slap, punching or kicking kids. Corporal punishment builds character by parents. Teachers, on the other hand, I don't agree with.

[@wintyrqueen]

@@namenotfound8747 All of those things are permitted under parental corporal punishment parameters.

[@namenotfound8747]

@@wintyrqueen Try it and see how fast you get child services get called on you by teachers and health professionals. But spanking, not going to happen.

[@DarthLego46]

I remember having my school having my parents sign a permission slip for opt-in spanking, so I am kind of surprised to learn that my elementary school was quite progressive for at least asking for permission first.

[@bims_der]

Did your parents sign it?

[@CollinMcLean]

"I've been hit with a strap and I've never been to a shrink" Sean I think you've just accidentally explained a lot to us...

[@aaronpatterson2369]

YES!! That he is STRONGER THAN YOU! Go on now...go hide in your safe place.

[@chey7691]

Never thought you could beat the sense out of people until I heard that, now I hope parents will take it as the warning against abuse. Or else your child will end up with a room temperature intelligence and lick boots for a living.

[@C-shadow]

@@aaronpatterson2369 yes, real strength comes from ignoring the problems rotting at us from within instead of addressing and working on them, fantastic point I'll make sure to also ignore the termites and mildew so my house stays strong

[@Abedeuss]

@@aaronpatterson2369 If he's stronger or smarter than you, then I really pity you in regards to both.

[@StCreed]

He reminds me of the 16 years old father in the hospital, smoking in the waiting room. Both he and the mother had ofcourse been smoking during the pregnancy. When I asked why, he said "my mom did the same and it never hurt me". Looking at him, I thought "well, I have my own opinion on that!" but never said it. Sean is a bit similar.

[@crushssoda]

people who get hit often say “i deserved it. i was a troubled kid” is an issue in itself.

[@Elliandr]

On the topic of spanking, didn't the Supreme Court put any limits in place as to what's a cruel use of paddling? As a child I was hit in my fingers for writing with both hands because the teacher believed that the left hand was the devil's hand and I have permanently crooked fingers as a result. It seems to me that letting teachers hit children without limit just enables such abuses to occur especially since parents don't have the right to take a child out of public school to protect them. If it's to be allowed at all there should be limits on what can be hit and what behavior can trigger it.

[@d_ryosuke]

Can't pull kids out of public schools? Pretty sure you can at any time.

[@inseptus712]

@@d_ryosuke Some states are stricter on it, but all states allow parents to homeschool their children. If parents have the time to homeschool their kids, or the resources to put them in a charter or private school, then the parents are fully able to remove their kids from public school. Still, it adds a burden on the parents, and some parents might not be easily able to use other options.

[@Sina-dv1eg]

@@d_ryosuke Same energy as "can't you just leave the country if you're unhappy?" or "if you don't have bread to eat, why not just eat cake?"

[@d_ryosuke]

@@Sina-dv1eg bro he said parents dont have the right to remove their kids from public school. like literally yes they do. just because something is impractical doesnt mean it's illegal or forbidden.

[@Smittel]

"Ive been spanked as a kid and ive never been to a shrink" And therein lies the problem.

[@PixelBytesPixelArtist]

Dude is worth millions of dollars and refuses to go to therapy

[@obeseperson]

Wild seeing how widely disagreed with spanking is now I mean I can’t disagree with it but it’s strange to see

[@golentan]

Imagine Sean Hannity thinking “I turned out okay.” :/

[@TheSMR1969]

There's a difference between abuse and discipline

[@samyloaiza98]

@@obeseperson views on things change but whether or not they are factually wrong only get clearer with time. Neuroscience agrees hitting children in wrong and ineffective. Science says obesity is unhealthy regardless of the modern American view that is just fine. What you think do sth doesn't change whether it is or isn't, it just shows how ignorant some people are of the things we collectively know as a species.

[@VickyG212]

This thing about 'parental rights' makes me mad. Some people take it as 'i can do whatever I want because it's MY child'. No. They're not your property. It's your responsibility to take care of them in a responsible way 🤦

[@schrodingerskatze4308]

I agree, it's really shocking to see that it's still legal in America. It's also shocking how many people don't understand how harmful it is. It only teaches children to hide mistakes and everything they do wrong and to never trust their parents.

[@VickyG212]

@@schrodingerskatze4308 AND to learn that it's normal for people you love to hurt you 😣

[@schrodingerskatze4308]

@@VickyG212 Now that you say it it really makes me wonder how many people got stuck in abusive relationships for exactly that reason. It only gets more sad the more you think about it.

[@Diviance]

@@schrodingerskatze4308 There is evidence that spanking does potentially lead to an increase in domestic violence later in life.

[@schrodingerskatze4308]

@@Diviance Which really makes sense if you think about it

[@joeaverage3444]

I'm German. §1631 of our Civil Code states that children have a right to a violence-free upbringing, and that corporal punishment, emotional cruelty and other degrading measures are not permitted. I'm not sure how you can argue against that, in good conscience.

[@guardianofcreativity4860]

Fun fact: some historians argue that mullets are one of the most popular hair styles throughout history. It’s been favored by warriors and workers across the world because it keeps hair out of your face while protecting your neck from the sun.

[@lowmax4431]

And you it's the only hairstyle that you can simultaneously be laughed at and swooned over depending on where you go.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Did those historians happen to have mullets?

[@skatesatgod-fusion2619]

@@lowmax4431 Honestly, it looks good in my opinion. I don't get the hate.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Who would have thought the hairstyle that is "just don't cut your hair" would be popular? It's almost like it's the default state for anybody not getting a specific and specialized stylization done on a regular basis.

[@stevesutcliffe3490]

What baffles me in the USA is the fact that you can be doing something that is perfectly legal, step slightly to the left, cross an imaginary line, and end up in jail for ten years. Scary.

[@seanthe100]

Idk what you're talking about

[@jacksonmclean3131]

​@@seanthe100 State lines, some things are legal in some states and illegal in others. So you could smoke weed in colarado but the second you step into Wyoming it's highly illegal.

[@BryantFarris]

It's like that everywhere bud. Canada experiences this with its different provenances, Europe experiences this with the different small countries the size of most our states. We have states larger than countries....

[@UpVade]

@@BryantFarris 🤓

[@Jrclego1998]

@xX_YourMumIn1080p_Xx tough luck. The rodeo kings gonna get ya

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

In Belgium, voting is mandatory but nobody is watching over your shoulder. So you can just not fill in any candidate or vote for multiple candidates from different parties on the same ballot rendering your vote invalid

[@BjornV1994]

Yeah, technically speaking showing up for voting is mandatory (maybe also taking the ballot into the booth as well, never seen someone simply show up, show their ID and just leaving without filling in anything), voting itself is pretty up to you... (if you vote with paper, never voted electronically myself, so I can't say in those cases)... Also, something of note, we do get some time off to vote. Most elections days are in the weekend when most people don't have to work but those who do, get some time off to go to nearest voting stations, cast their vote and return to work, without loss of pay. Another thing that I personally find interesting about voting in Belgium is if you hold a foreign card (like if you are natively from the Netherlands and haven't legally changed your nationality). You can work in Belgium, you can live in Belgium, pay taxes and all and in some cases if you don't disclose any information about your actual nationality, be believed to Belgian by other Belgians but unless you fill in some paper work, you don't have to vote (can't vote actually). And that paper work isn't permanent (unless you changed your nationality) So with a foreign card, they can say, I want to vote this election, fill out the paper work and go vote, while next time, they can say: I don't like the candidates, I won't vote and if they don't fill out the paper work, they won't have to.

[@vast9467]

Why though?

[@KindredBrujah]

Drawing a penis on the ballot is the preferred method of making a statement in the UK.

[@kjarakravik4837]

There's also a specific chech box under all the parties you can tick for a 'blanc vote', so no vote at all. Still, there's a reason people say that if you don't vote your ballot automaticaly goes the most popular party

[@FabioCapela]

Brazil, where voting is mandatory, uses voting machines, and there is a dedicated button for "none of the above" (or blank vote); voters can also enter an invalid candidate number to nullify their vote, with the voting machine warning beforehand that the vote will be nullified.

[@alvinip9128]

I don't understand why a mullet would ever be illegal but it should be

[@TheKingDain]

Here in Denmark we had a thing called "Revselsesretten", "Revselse", being an old word referring to the punishment of children( and wives) for certain offences and "retten" meaning right. This dates back to at least the "Jyske Lov" legal code from 1241. The right to up beat up one's wife(and servants) was abolished in 1921. The right to corporally punish children was removed from public institutions back in 1967 and three decades later, removed for parents in their child-rearing back home. One of the main reasons was to respect children and their rights.

[@pandora8610]

The "compelled speech" argument against compulsory voting seems pretty weak to me (an Aussie). Requiring people to submit a ballot does not prevent them from submitting a blank ballot, a ballot with "stuff the lot of 'em" scrawled across it, a ballot with a crude drawing of genitals on it, or any of thousands of other ways to decline to "speak" on the matter at hand.

[@alansmithee419]

How is this law enforced? Do you not have a right to cast an anonymous ballot? If you do, how do they determine if a particular person hasn't cast a vote? Edit: my question has been answered, please do not answer it again.

[@thomasfplm]

Same for Brazil, but electronically. (you can't draw, but you can give a number widout candidate, or press the blank button).

[@aformofmatter8913]

@@alansmithee419 I think you just have to show up to the polling place

[@LordOfTheCube]

@@alansmithee419 All ballots are anonymous. You just have to turn up to the polling place, but you can write whatever you want on the ballot once you're there

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

I jokingly voted for Stalin and Saddam Hussein on two accounts. So, yeah, deffo easy to circumvent. 🤣

[@ronumpleby3517]

Robert A Heinlein pointed out two things: First, "Always vote. There will rarely be anything you want to vote for, but almost always something you want to vote against." Second, "The penalty for not voting is to be led by your inferiors." [Edit: the second quote is actually a paraphrasing of a Plato quote. Thanks to @മ҉ദ҉്҉യ҉പ҉ാ҉ന҉ം҉ for pointing this out to me!]

[@AaronMinerRunicfire]

What if all of the candidates are your inferiors?

[@ronumpleby3517]

@@AaronMinerRunicfire Then I would have to refer you to one of the greatest sociopolitical minds ever to live 😜: "You know what I won't complain about? Politicians. [...]It's what our system produces! It's garbage in, garbage out! If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders... so, maybe, maybe, maybe it's not the politicians who suck, maybe something else sucks around here. Like the public." -George Carlin, "Back in Town", 1996

[@Melesniannon]

Huh. Heinlein hit the nail on the head for me. I used to be politically apathetic, until the rise of right wing populism. That's when I started to give my vote to literally anyone else. P.S. Ron, you seem to have some very useful quotes on hand, can I bookmark you somehow? :D

[@ronumpleby3517]

@@Melesniannon lol, it's just a notepad file of things I have read or heard, and wanted to remember... thanks for the kind words, though!

[@mehere8038]

@@AaronMinerRunicfire In Australia the way we handle that is for likeminded people to host politician discussion meetings at local community halls & build up a little community of people superior to their representative & then they choose one of their group to become the new representative for the electorate & conduct grass roots campaigns to ensure that happens & it's bye bye "safe seat" for the majors lol. We did that to 16 "safe seats" last May