Elon Bought Himself A Bunch of Lawsuits

[@LegalEagle]

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[@fiyahspinnah]

Clearly the answer is destroy. Everything he has done since he's acquired it has been destructive.

[@AmySoyka]

I wonder how long it will be until we see a verified @LegaIEagle?... (aka. @legaieagle) 😇

[@jamm8284]

What is the issue with not letting people comment that using an employee of a defendant as a reference, is not good for impartiality?

[@atocanboi409]

no, Musk fans are Musketeers (also keep up the puns)

[@CollinMcLean]

Destroy.

[@jargien240]

And these were only the US law problems. There is a whole slew of employment laws he broke when firing the European employees and many of the EU nations have quite a bit stricter laws when it comes to employment safety.

[@ObsidianLife]

I hope they sanction the bitch!!!

[@theprecipiceofreason]

He's a galactic citzen tho. These tiny countries can't touch him.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

All employment should be "at will". Period.

[@Demmrir]

@@UncleKennysPlace All employees should be unpaid slave labor. Period.

[@cwovictor3281]

@@UncleKennysPlace A take with as much susbstance as your hairline.

[@foobarFR]

Some said he also fired europe-based employees, without any consideration for local laws. He may end up with hundreds of lawsuits there...

[@blackbird7781]

Yep. And he is indeed getting hit with multiple lawsuits

[@thyrussendria8198]

Pretty sure it is a massive class action lawsuit that has already been announced to be in the works by the new union the workers made

[@foobarFR]

@@blackbird7781 when he will learn about the French labor law he will need some serious medication. and I'm not joking.

[@RH-wj4rz]

I sure hope so.

[@Argosh]

@@foobarFR I don't think medication helps when you're being run down by a mob with pitch forks. I'm German and I have a healthy respect for their labor laws. They have bite...

[@EvilCoffeeInc]

Can you do a video on the legal ramifications of bankruptcy? As a kid I thought it was a devastating thing but more and more it kind of feels like a free pass for mismanagement. I'd be interested in seeing a proper analysis of why it exists and how it's used, legally.

[@LiminalQueenMedia]

When corporations enter bankruptcy, ownership and management change hands. Usually the firms creditors take control. As for individuals, their credit tanks for years. Hardly a free pass on either end.

[@jeffdavis6657]

It is a complicated thing, it may take several longer videos. Likely varies some by state.

[@J-manli]

In a true free market capitalist system, bankruptcy would normally be the end for a business. But the US has been Corporate Socialist since it’s inception so large corporations can and will receive subsidies and tax cuts depending on how sneaking their finance filing is.

[@mightybeastofbengal]

I know that back during Revolution times, they would imprison people who owed debts and would simply never get their money back and this lead a never ending cycling of people dying in prison

[@argumentum-ad-absurdum]

@@LiminalQueenMedia When corperation go bankrupt usually a liquidator takes control who tries to destribute what little is left of the company to the creditors. As for Individuals you are right for the average Joe their credit score would tank for years and they would not be able to get anymore credits. But if elon is the richest person or the 50th richest person in the world doesnt really make a difference for him if he wants to get credits. Just look at Trump the guy is trying to get the guinness world record for most bankruptcys and he still finds some way to get people to lend him money. If you are allready super rich you usually have no troubles finding someone willing to lend you money, just tell them the last one was unlucky but this time you are gonna win big.

[@estherp4867]

Of note: Japan has extremely strict laws around firing employees, and many of those who were terminated from Twitter in Japan are being told not to sign any documents from the company, and that they should absolutely seek legal action. After reading about that, I'm wondering which other countries may bring together lawsuits against Twitter/Musk.

[@omni42]

Its very, very rare for japanese employees to pursure such lawsuits. But I bet this is going to be a huge exception specifically since Musk is such an ass.

[@CelticVictory]

@@omni42 I doubt it will be an exception if they don't have a culture that is conducive to litigation.

[@Ange1ofD4rkness]

A lot of countries in the EU actually have strict laws as well, that can make it practically impossible to fire someone (which side note, has caused the employees of some to become lazy). So they could easy stack onto that

[@BeggarsNight]

@@Ange1ofD4rkness Is that so? Any specific example?

[@billh.1940]

So he will just buy Japan, easy.

[@InfernosReaper]

That one where Musk makes the excuse for poor response is especially interesting because there's more to it. One of the employees engaged with him on it. Said employee contradicted Musk's assessment, but then went on to explain in enough detail to make it clear he knew what he was talking about, what was *really* wrong and *how* to fix, in a way that made it clear he enthusiastic about working on the problem. Musk promptly fired that employee, even though what the employee said in no way actually made Musk look bad. Musk appears to have gotten so full of himself that he throws away assets for the sake of stroking his own ego

[@JasonBoyce]

Musk fired him because he said that he could have solved this on Slack or through DMs but decided to take it public, but definitely Musk got owned in front of his minions and took it out on a clearly talented employee

[@queenannsrevenge100]

Musk is pretty much exhibiting every behavior of a horrible manager. At this rate, Twitter is on track to become the next Myspace or Geocities

[@alqualonde2998]

@@JasonBoyce so much for consequence free speech :/

[@voland6846]

@@JasonBoyce So Musk gets to talk about it in public, but the people who actually do the work can't...? _Interesting._

[@Andreamom001]

“Gotten”? He’s been that way for a long time. He promises impossible things over and over (Hyperloop, etc.) and never delivers. He literally fakes product reveals (solar roof tiles) and makes fake claims that make him look good. It’s all about surface appearance.

[@Taurmin]

I am personally very curious to see what happens with twitter european workforce. Suposedly a lot of them have just been locked out of twitter systems after the deadline set by the "hardcore" email, and some have received emails acknowledging their "resignation". None of which qualifies as a legal termination under local law.

[@blakksheep736]

My guess is that it won't be pretty, but definitely fun to watch.

[@ponytoast1231]

@@kevinschultz6091 But does that even qualify? If you are still being paid normally and are still "employed" then is it really severance?

[@mhh7544]

@@ponytoast1231 There is a termination time, the longer you`ve been worker, the longer the time. So after getting informed, you have termination time. I m sure it changes in countries, but in my country max termination time is 3 months. So, telling someone they are off, you either pay that time, or let worker stay for that time.

[@triage2962]

They will fight with Verdi and thats a big labor union in europe.

[@onix331]

@@ponytoast1231 It's also not allowed to keep your employee from working or giving him duties that aren't their job even if they still receive the same pay

[@ErikHare]

I have seen entire movies posted there. The violations of copyright law are not being caught. The laws in Germany are being scrutinized. It's just amazing how much liability he is accruing

[@bouclechocolat]

The Hackers movie posted as a 49-part thread 🤭

[@JacobMcBaggins]

NGL the film threads are hilarious

[@RM-el3gw]

it's a great time for those who like to see a dumpster fire for sure. Get your popcorn all!

[@alexwolfeboy]

I mean, the Twitter management before him were atrocious with moderation too. That platform had and has a HUGE CESAM problem.

[@2ftg]

@@bouclechocolat Just like early youtube with watching anime and movies in 10minute chunks.

[@thexalon]

He also apparently broke Ghana law when he fired all of Twitter Africa's employees without notice as required by their employment contracts. Lawsuits there are pending.

[@Levacque]

Considering his origins, I don't think he even spares a thought for the entire continent's residents. Well, maybe 4.6 million specific residents of South Africa. The ones with less melanin.

[@thexalon]

@@Levacque I'm guessing that non-white Africans are relevant simply in terms of accounting, but nothing more than that. You know: "476 oppressed African miners, minus 5 killed yesterday due to unsafe conditions, plus 4 'hired' (by kidnapping them from their village) ..."

[@Levacque]

@@thexalon that is somehow more brutal than my comment, well done 😂

[@kevinstephenson3531]

I mean his father made his money from kids mining emeralds, he makes it from kids mining cobalt and lithium.

[@Levacque]

@@kevinstephenson3531 what a heartwarming story of family traditions living through another generation

[@podemosurss8316]

The firing of employees has also led to lawsuits, as he not only did that to US employees but to people from other countries, and the way he fired those people is actually illegal on several countries, so the staff of Twitter in those countries have also sued him (with help from the authorities).

[@casperfourie9124]

I'm excited to see the fallout from the shenanigans with EU based former employees

[@Zeromaus]

He's not required to act or respond to foreign lawsuits unless he plans on travelling there again lol

[@Wockes]

@@Zeromaus It's not him they are suing but Twitter. I doubt he wants Twitter banned in those countries

[@autohmae]

@@Zeromaus euh... regardless if Twitter responds those court cases will happen. And Twitter the company can get fined (and countries do collect) or in the worst case even banned from countries.

[@Zeromaus]

@@autohmae Do you think Elon really cares about lawsuits direct to Twitter, or being banned from countries?

[@Barracius]

I'm a bit surprised this didn't go more into the international issues. Sure, Devin is an expert at US law and not so much international ones, but there have been plenty of articles discussing how many of the layoffs of international employees violated the laws in those areas.

[@AGrumpyPanda]

He tends to avoid discussing things that are outside his field of expertise, at least on serious matters. Maybe if he found someone with a strong background in the relevant laws that could weigh in on it he'd do it, but he's not likely to do it himself.

[@AnarchoTak]

@@AGrumpyPanda that's actually fair and responsible to not talk out is his expertise. We need more people to do this. It stops misinformation

[@richardsteiner8992]

@@AnarchoTak If only he would stop making key decisions outside of his area of expertise.

[@Yumixfan]

@@AGrumpyPanda while its good that he doesn’t talk on topics outside of his expertise, not mentioning it at all is another issue. It fails to give the full scope of the issue at hand and doesn’t let people know that there is information they should be looking into down that route on top of what is covered in his video. Im not saying he should have covered the international stuff since it’s definitely not his place to without any knowledge on it, but he could have said something along the lines of “Im not an expert on international law so I won’t go into it but there also rumblings about even more related to this happening with international employees and the relevant laws for their countries”. Or whatever. Which at least signals to people to go look up the info for themselves (and also highlights the fact that he won’t cover topics directly that he isn’t knowledgeable about)

[@svetievboris]

Yes i expected him to at least mention it.

[@korytoombs886]

Note, if you get an e-mail saying if you don't click this button, you agree to be fired doesn't sound like a legally binding agreement.

[@brianaltmiller4409]

Important clarification - I think the email said that if you don't click this button by the deadline he would deem you as having quit. Seems like he was trying to avoid suffering any of the legal ramifications of firing someone.

[@Tobelia]

@@brianaltmiller4409 he’s already failing to avoid legal ramifications, as that doesn’t comply with employment law in the EU, UK and elsewhere

[@kerr_b]

You had the chance to call Musk fans 'Muskateers' and you blew it.

[@lesigh3410]

Musk enjoyers -if you got the joke, well done you horny bastard-

[@johnapple6646]

They don't deserve that awesome a nickname

[@DeathsHood]

I tend to call them Muskrats.

[@Ze_Boss07]

Muskquitoes

[@kade-qt1zu]

@@DeathsHood That's just rude af. There's no reason to compare muskrats to musk fans. It's insulting to the muskrats.

[@Gutterman-tn2ry]

I'm pretty sure that Musk putting personal liability onto the engineers for Twitter's products might also violate certain parts of the NCEES's code of ethics as well, since when I last took an engineering exam from them they were very clear that engineers cannot be held personally liable for things done on the order of a company. There are a bunch of civil law implications on top of that.

[@warmowed]

You cannot individually hold liable a technical staff member (aka what we typically think of as an engineer). Only a Licensed Professional Engineer can be held responsible for the work that they have signed off on although this is generally considered pointless as the company itself has the money.

[@billh.1940]

Idk, but almost all of the engineers I have known carry insurance. Maybe it is just in case, btw the RN also carry practice insurance even though the are covered by work place. It seems many professional folk have their own. Don't trust the employer?

[@billh.1940]

@@warmowed do you trust your company? Elon?

[@NightRogue77]

Dude…. I never knew any of this! Engineers essentially need MALPRACTICE insurance are you shitting me?

[@FMHikari]

Couldn't they be liable for shitty work though?

[@altamistral]

From a software engineer: the joke he made about Elon RPC tweet went far and beyond what I would have expected to hear from a lawyer. Well played.

[@sleepingkirby]

I was about to post the same thing. LOL "poorly batched RPCs"

[@proudwhovian5161]

Yup, as a former IT help desk trainer, I lost it at sinusoidal depleneration. Sounds like they need a drawn reciprocation dinglearm.

[@aroundight6163]

Y'all are making this much more complicated than it needs to be. Just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow and you're good to go.

[@davidb6576]

@@aroundight6163 That only works with SSDs! Now you've screwed all the spinny-platter guys!!

[@Maplaplaplapla]

Am I mistaken that it's a Rockwell Engineering reference?

[@kiradattei]

I'll give Musk credit for one thing: when he decides to drag a company into the ground, he commits on an impressively fast timetable.

[@aazhie]

Makes Trump look like some kind of amateur xD

[@dawidd6356]

i am no fan of musk but please go on a economy/business oriented channel and educate yourselves on what he is actually doing and that he already made twitter profitable after only 2 weeks just by the layoffs alone and than twitter monthly active user MAU is at a ALL TIME HIGH it just pains me to see all those ignorant people in this comment section *ouch*

[@justanothergirl__]

@@dawidd6356 lol whatever you say, Muskrat 🤣

[@ohauss]

@@dawidd6356 Says the one who has no clue about sustainable profit and believes breaking the law by simply not paying your bills is being profitable. A whole bunch of those layoffs are null and void to boot

[@dawidd6356]

@@ohauss wait where is he breaking the law ? even legal egel has said that we miss the details to say for sure so how do you know he broke any laws ? I am not even defending elon here.. when it comes to bilionairs i hate them all especially Gates and Zuc but i would like if people would look at all of them equally bad because Zuc just laied off 11k employees and noone is saying a damn thing

[@TakeWalker]

"Elon Musk does have the legal right to be a delicate, sensitive boy" I haven't laughed that hard in ages

[@lesigh3410]

Who's a widdle dewicate sensitive boy? Yes you awe!

[@joevola3748]

@@lesigh3410 I s

[@toddboyce3599]

Because as we all know, Elon Musk is quite mature. Also, one time my dad said when some twitter user tried to impersonate Elon Musk, Real Elon changed Fake Elon's username into "Fart" and made it impossible to change it, because as we all know (Again) Elon is quite mature.

[@ik749]

@@toddboyce3599 no he isn't. Unless you were joking, then sorry for not getting it.

[@oldmanmarsh2528]

Didn't expect Devin to not at least mention the legal problems that might come with laying people off in the EU in the wrong way. Would be fun if he could find an EU lawyer to talk about it.

[@pointysidedown]

He is an expert of USA laws, depending on the state. I don't think he is a European law expert, so he left it out. That's my assumption at least. A smart person wouldn't make assumptions about things they know nothing about, which, ironically, is kinda what this video is about.

[@autohmae]

@@pointysidedown A simple mention of it could have included all the: but I don't know enough about that.

[@pointysidedown]

@@autohmae A lot of commenters think it should have been included as well, so I am inclined to agree with your point. An EU lawyer collab may be in the future...

[@oldmanmarsh2528]

@@pointysidedown Yeah, there's certainly things he shouldn't be saying as someone with no expertise in EU law, but there are still things that can be mentioned by a layman with a disclaimer. And if he collaborates with an expert it could make for a really interesting video, examining differences between which rules and laws national and international companies may have to take into consideration.

[@timdrake4951]

EU law is completely different

[@elizacomics2329]

Do you have a law degree? No I just get sued a lot. ~Elon Musk

[@kripposoft]

When I was 14 I got admin access to a gaming forum, even though I had no idea on how to run such a site. I clicked a lot of random shit just to see what would happen and broke a bunch of shit. Elon Musk reminds me of that but instead of a forum with maybe 500 users, he's got access to Twitter...

[@JargonMadjin]

A good percentage of Discord servers are like that too but I see your point, I've never used Twitter so I'm just sitting here with my metaphorical popcorn and watching what happens

[@connorscanlan2167]

I really don't get why some people still think he's an immaculately brilliant businessman when stuff like this seems to keep happening to him.

[@Cat-yo2mb]

Ikr? Ive seen so many people calling him a genius , an brilliant businessman on the internet before but all of that its false now Like he thought that he can just bypass the laws because he is rich and many people likes him so much? He doesnt seem to be that cooperate with the employee either , one small joke or disagreement and they are fired , he could've worked this out in a much better way but no 💀 I understand that some jokes are not as funny as it sounds but man

[@larryc1616]

Like his Boring company? One-way, one lane, elevators, unuseable tunnels to nowhere.....

[@connorscanlan2167]

@@larryc1616 I hadn't even heard about that one! lol

[@BillOweninOttawa]

Most of what most people believe is objective nonsense.

[@brianlam5847]

@@connorscanlan2167 his loop is just a shitty subway for only tesla cars, which is definitely a huge safety concern if a single tunnel clogs up or a fire starts

[@ace448]

I’m actually amazed that Eli Lilly hasn’t filled suit against Twitter yet. Elons new “feature” allowed a person to impersonate them and cost them millions. Twitter and this Elon appear to have engaged in gross negligence by pushing that product out.

[@HubiKoshi]

Wait they didn't hammer Elon with a lawsuit? I was sure this was going to end in a court blood bath.

[@jennifermendes3721]

I think Elon might have "negotiated" with them, but that's just my guess (don't sue me please)

[@Dadofer1970]

Probably still falls under the protections that social media platforms have against lawsuits for what is said on the platform. In fact, since it was parody it may not even be actionable even though it cost Eli Lilly money. It doesn't do anything for trying to get advertisers back to the forum though.

[@JWRogersPS]

@@Dadofer1970 The delicious irony of this is that corporations pushed for that law. Now, it's coming back to bite them.

[@wdsyalyn]

Lmao imagine feeling bad on behalf of Eli Lily after they received justified backlash for their insane overcharging of insulin.

[@Foede]

I like how Elon thinks that "I broke the law so many times I've come to understand it" is actually a good thing.

[@Zeromaus]

There are a million laws that without actually going through the process, you'd never know. You probably break at least one a day while out driving..

[@mr.xx101]

And he still doesn't get it... EU labor lawyers are having field days with twitter lay-offs.

[@Zeromaus]

@@mr.xx101 They won't get a dime lol, EU labor laws have no bearing here and Musk probably doesn't care to travel there much in the future.

[@mr.xx101]

@@Zeromaus Wow, you must be a genius like Musk... newsflash: there are Twitter branches/subsidiaries in the EU, fanboy.

[@Zeromaus]

@@mr.xx101 You actually think Elon cares? Dismantle the EU branches so there's no European Twitter to punish, or better yet create smaller LLCs under the Twitter flag to take the brunt. Regardless of the direction he goes he's not going to feel Europe's salt.

[@bananaboatcharlie]

"In short, Elon has a legal right to be a delicate, sensitive boy" *Get Devin in a room with Elon right now*

[@BakingBadOBX]

elon would stare at a wall pretending not to hear him

[@rktmtkljelrdkbn1852]

That was completely false If he had do some decent research he would know that😂😂

[@andrasszabo1570]

@@rktmtkljelrdkbn1852 You're saying that Musk doesn't have a legal right to be a delicate, sensitive boy? If so, that is completely false. If you had done some basic research, you would know that 😂😂

[@ure2grit931]

@@andrasszabo1570 what was false was 3:35 that he suspended them for making fun of him. Twitter's rules ALWAYS were that to be a parody account you needed parody in the name. Edit: use the wayback machine to see their rules page. Nothing changed. And Kathy didn't have that in her username.

[@RobertLesac]

Nooo! I don't want Devin to get fired!

[@Sarah-re7cg]

“Now generally companies of these sizes have HR departments to handle these kinds of requests and obligations, but sure, Elon is going to personally make all of these determinations.” Lmaoooo best quote 😂

[@elizabethsullivan1894]

Yess the snark on that one

[@foehammer5047]

So I'm an engineer. And I've met managers like Elon before. He's not a rare breed, it's just rare for pretenders to get that high in the corporate ladder. Middle managers that learn basic terminology (like "RPC") then how to use that terminology are common. It gives them a gloss of knowledge that makes onlookers believe they know a lot about the subject in question, but any actual workers can see through it.

[@candyjaywee]

Twitter uses Thrift RPC in the backend.

[@zapl80]

@@candyjaywee Broad statements like that still sound very much like an oversimplified explanation of the challenges found in a large scale microservice architecture he probably picked up somewhere rather than a useful assessment by an architect. It also is unlikely that this is the real number caused by an average request. Batch processes that fill caches of their timeline service maybe but that amount of requests is a lot even for fast communications protocols like thrift Their data is highly relational and will require a lot of processing steps that can't be turned off without loss of functionality. It's also necessarily a lot of distributed data just because there's so much of it, there's numbers around that estimate that people generate 12 terrabytes of data each day for example.

[@jakestine4753]

Elon is also a guy who thinks hardware engineering is harder than software, which is another hugely popular fallacy. It's actually easier to staff qualified personnel capable of building clever cars and rockets than it is to staff personnel capable of solving clever RPC problems.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

@@jakestine4753 Both are difficult. So is building bridges and skyscrapers. They are just different, is all.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? MLS Education

[@DoctorCrescentMoon]

Twitter is not trapped in there with Elon Elon is trapped in there with twitter

[@nuanil]

Queue tossed dep fryer....

[@robertnett9793]

@@nuanil Yes... I read that also in a Rorschach-Voice :D

[@briannelson27]

@@robertnett9793 He was like "whoa its bad over here, can I get a distraction? Hey T-rump can you come back?" and T-rump was like "Pass".

[@TwinStripe]

@@briannelson27 When the Tangerine Tyrant gives it a pass, it's maybe time to examine your life choices...

[@breeze7464]

I envision Musk being Dr Manhattan and Twitter as Rorschach during the ending scene. "What are you waiting for? Do it!"

[@ClonedGamer001]

"If you're in enough lawsuits, you pick up a few things along the way" is like saying "When you murder enough children, you learn a lot about anatomy." Edit, because I've had to say this like six times in the replies: I do not doubt there is some truth to those statements. I am pointing out that in order to get to a point where you can make that claim, you need to have either intentionally done something malicious or made a serious lapse in judgment multiple times. It is not something to brag about, as Elon was doing here.

[@eleanorcooke7136]

When you eat a lot of people, you learn a lot about cooking.

[@superleipoman]

@@eleanorcooke7136 depends maybe they eat raw

[@Karimoon1]

@@superleipoman 🤣

[@eleanorcooke7136]

@@superleipoman what kind of person would eat someone raw? Truly inhuman

[@AeiThop]

@@eleanorcooke7136 Sure. Cultured, humane cannibals should give their victims the courtesy and respect of cooking them (medium rare, at the minimum) before eating them. It’s the least they can do. 😀

[@stickyfox]

RPCs are remote procedure calls... basically commands for a computer to do something somewhere else. Musk was trying to say the site was inefficiently designed, executing thousands of server procedures every time you load a tweet. But this was apparently not true according to one Twitter employee who was fired after defending their work and another expert who had no experience at twitter, but just knows how the web works and could show that Musk was lying by right-clicking and viewing the source of a twitter page. Musk also has about the same understanding of the web that I do, maybe even less. So if I'm incorrect about the above try not to be too harsh. Both he and I got most of our experience coding in the 90s when HTML2 and php were state of the art content delivery systems.

[@ChubbyUnicorn]

But Elon had his fired coders tweet him with explainations of how the "stack worked"...so he knows everything now. 🙄

[@RowdyBoy82]

I learned HTML from MySpace and I know for certain I'm more technologically adept than Elon.

[@AlwaysANemesis]

It's even worse, because one of Twitter's engineers pointed out Elon's inaccuracy on a series of retweets, and Elon promptly responded by firing him.

[@Ruhrpottpatriot]

And to add to that: This is only the US side of things. A few days ago Thierry Breton, Commissioner for Internal Market, has warned Musk very sharply by tweeting: "In Europe, the bird will fly by our 🇪🇺 rules." He also said, that if Musk is going to say "No way!", then the EU is also going to say "No way!" and "Social media platforms will no longer behave like they are 'too big to care'. Whether they have feathers or not 🐦"

[@thyrussendria8198]

Pretty sure that was back when Elon took over, now Elon will see why no one messes with EU law.

[@TheDiveO]

there are enough law-making Europeans who are more than happy to not only ruffle some feathers but to pluck every single one.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Lol... right. EU LAW!!!!! We will attack anyone who insults us or does not show fear! Then explain how VW fired 20k workers in 24 hours?

[@TheDiveO]

@@davidbeppler3032 Did it? Your source is FauxNews, but there have been no 20k EU VW personal firings, you are simply lying by posing some arbitraty number - 30k btw, but you can't get your lies correct - as fact dropping the necessary context. now go to whining with some red wave Reps.

[@restezlameme]

Ehehehe 🤣

[@B_B-420]

I think the Eli Lilly thing was 100% caused by Twitter. Around 70% of trades on Wall Street are performed by "high volume algorithms". These algorithms work with other algorithms that scan through social media sites like Twitter. Musk implemented a new verification system, which the algorithms likely could not differentiate from the old verification system. So it is literally incapable of determining what is a "parody" account. Those algorithms likely thought Eli Lilly was actually going to make insulin free, and started an immediate sell off. We still don't understand the causes of the "flash crash" of 2010. Where over a trillion dollars in market capital just disappeared in something like 35 minutes, because a bunch of algorithms were just bouncing off each other.

[@OveToranger]

Yes, Eli Lilly definitely needs to have the utmost support to keep the price of insuling at it's current levels. It would be horrible if people with diabetes could get any kind of relief on a drug they need to live. After all, Eli Lilly has a fiscal responsibility to it's shareholders....NOT to it's customers !

[@veronicamaine3813]

I mean we don’t even ready known what happens in 1987….

[@greebj]

Most diabetics eat themselves into their dependence on insulin so don't cry too hard for them The legal issue of Twitter's negligence causing a severe dip in shareholder value is a serious one, brand risk managers everywhere would be talking right now whether this means a Twitter presence is even worth having, just close it all down and tell everyone so there's no chance of fake news affecting stocks again.

[@Khronogi]

@@OveToranger not the issue, the issue is twitter destabilizing companies

[@christophergreen6595]

I still marvel over that less-than-a-second in the markets when all the algorithm fought. Learned a lot about wall street, too! Like; they all have identical-length cables to the server, so no one can get their orders in even a nanosecond ahead of the others.

[@iambiggus]

Meta and Twitter sharing a dumpster on fire warms my cold little heart.

[@jesuszamora6949]

The only difference is that Meta may survive once Zuckerbot realizes metaverse isn't working. Twitter has no chance.

[@ComeAtMeBro2010]

Interesting that Elon is intentionally bankrupting twitter to get out of dealing with it any longer

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@ComeAtMeBro2010 I just think he's letting his ego get in the way. That's one thing you can say about Zuckerbot, his lack of human emotions makes him more apt to run a business than Richie Rich over at Twitter.

[@tomatosauceenjoyer]

Little heart? But yourebiggus.

[@SamOliver4]

@@tomatosauceenjoyer you know what they say about men with small hearts...

[@aceofspadez131]

2:58 : my dad calls them the muskets . He says because if you make one comment about musk they start shooting off but like a musket they break easily and there words couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

[@meganm4877]

😆 amazing

[@sithlord5149]

true

[@alexia3552]

Beautiful

[@evergreenforestwitch]

"Musk has a legal right to be a delicate, sensitive boy"

[@by9917]

It's interesting how when some people get some success they come to the conclusion that every decision they make is great and they aren't capable of making stupid decisions.

[@averagegeek3957]

Dunning-Kruger in action

[@epbrown01]

What's weird to me is the online sycophants/yes-men. I can understand the people that *work* for a billionaire feeling obligated to polish their ego, but there are literally millions of strangers online defending blatantly stupid decisions for no reason.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@epbrown01he not yet millionaire effect of future rich person effect they defend because they want to be like the rich

[@lip124]

Like Elon buying an underpriced company and starting to say he was forced to buy wtf, he's the one that wanted to buy the company for 44B, so who "forced" him to buy next time do you research Elon🤣🤣.

[@Numquamnonparatus320]

And even then, he was BORN wealthy, its not like he got successful on his own

[@j.a.george9229]

I get a strange sort of satisfaction out of watching petulant billionaires spontaneously combust. Thanks for the play-by-play, Devin.

[@gregmark1688]

Nothing at all strange about it, imo.

[@liamnehren1054]

@@gregmark1688 especially when it's one that failed upwards and has a cult of personality like Theranos, which is obviously the case with Musk.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Schaden-freude is one helluva drug lmao

[@wildlightarts]

same.

[@AS-my3sw]

@@gregmark1688 A billionaire's midlife crisis looks like any regular man child's midlife crisis just on a larger scale.

[@lonelyone69]

Genuinely sad that musk will likely face minimal personal liability for completely destroying a company and thousands of lives.

[@UberHeroMystic]

If he does file chapter 7, he’s probably face more lawsuits

[@lonelyone69]

@@UberHeroMystic If he files chapter 7 the only assets up for debt are the corporation's. Not to mention all lawsuits already filed will be put on stay throughout a bankruptcy case. Also the standard rises to actual malice in reference to suits that are dischargeable. Plus American insolvency state laws are far from perfect and will rarely produce personal liability. Either way musk likely leaves Twitter to stop liability under restructuring and still doesn't face the legal consequences for his actions and the former employees and contractors get nothing.

[@znail4675]

He will lose a lot of money as he did pay to buy twitter.

[@lonelyone69]

@@znail4675 he didn't. He just bought a majority share of it's controlling stock which is btw only 9.1% of stock. Literally every other stockholder including uncontrollable stock and twitter's assets weren't paid for by him in anyway. Yet he gets to single handedly destroy the company and make thousands of people unemployed.

[@BeggarsNight]

@@lonelyone69 it’s still a move he clearly never wanted or intended to make. He was out-maneuvered by Twitter’s board, who essentially forced him to follow through with his initial moves that he attempted to back out on.

[@TheSwiftrain]

One other problem on elom's desk would be world wide regulators as well, both in the digital content verions and on employment rights - he seems to have been assuming US employment law applies to people around the world - spolier it does not

[@robertnett9793]

This is gonna be gud :D

[@davidbeppler3032]

Yea, as an American Elon does not know about laws in other countries.

[@SourGummiWyrm69]

@@davidbeppler3032 he's not just an American, though - he's a G E N I U S /s

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Which you would think he'd have figured out already, being that he is actually from South Africa and didn't move to the US until he was already a successful businessman.

[@nnnik3595]

@@davidbeppler3032 There are very many respectable and intelligent Americans. For example in South America there is Brazil and many other countries.

[@marcussherlock6318]

I'd like to take a moment to admire the shot composition in this video. The background, the focus, the colours, the lighting, the props, the outfit. It's like a poster. Or... Lawyer Hallmark.

[@hellbenderdesign]

It is well produced - graphics are great as well.

[@teaguejelinek4038]

And you couldn't do that without putting it into text form? 🤣🤣

[@marcussherlock6318]

@@teaguejelinek4038 By "admire" what I really meant is "compliment while inviting others to admire".

[@Alex-cw3rz]

At least he's proved we don't live in a meritocracy

[@ObsidianLife]

LOL!

[@havcola6983]

The word meritocracy was coined in an article that painted it a mocking light as something that we claim we have, but absolutely don't. So I guess it's coming full circle.

[@brianbutton6346]

If meritocracy means that people who succeed have your approval.

[@matomatic4599]

Ironically a lot of terms, ranging from Cubism to 'The Big Bang', were coined by detractors of the movement/theory/ideology.

[@Dream146]

@@brianbutton6346 don't worry, I'm sure if you keep licking his boots one day Elon will notice you

[@waffleraptor6401]

“Now that Twitter is a raging dumpster fire” Bold of you to assume it wasn’t one already 💀

[@michaelschlem2849]

12-4-22 You see, there is a difference. Twitter pre-Musk was a fire in a Trash Can used by a homeless person to get warmth. Twitter post-Musk is an industrial incinerator.

[@Rorschach003]

It wasn't. It was just a cesspool before Musk came in with his jerrycan and lighter

[@leonardodtc4847]

@@Rorschach003 it was a echo chamber before

[@geegeetomlinson2316]

Yeah that's what gets me about the Elon Hate Bandwagon - all these people attacking him for "destroying twitter"? Twitter had already destroyed itself. It's baffling

[@propersod2390]

@Geegee Tomlinson they can't tell you how he "destroyed twitter". It's all because they're mad that he's exposing far left politicians 😂 including the current dementia patient "president"

[@absentmindedjwc]

One piece you didn't mention - forcing all of the employees to come back into the office constitutes constructive dismissal, and if enough people refuse, that would also trigger the WARN Act, as it became a significant benefit when the company made it "work from home forever".

[@AliceErishech]

He also didn't address that the people who got fired for disagreeing with Musk were just adhering to the company's previous policy too. The previous policy encouraged the engineers to correct their superiors. Musk decided to change this but apparently didn't see the need to inform the engineers up until he fired them for violating this changed policy. And of course his fanboys try to justify him firing them as you shouldn't ever criticize or contradict your boss. They never seem to bother replying when you point out that these engineers were simply adhering to the previous policy that they weren't aware had changed.

[@somethingclever8916]

It would be under voluntary termination with federal unemployment laws. This whole thing shows how spoiled Twitter employees are. Anyone can file a lawsuit. Not all are allowed

[@selanryn5849]

@@somethingclever8916 Unemployment insurance eligibility is determined by the states, not the federal government. Twitter is a California company, and under California unemployment laws (which are the ones used to determine if the worker gets benefits) it's a wrongful constructive dismissal. California does try to look out for its workers a bit better than some states. Imagine thinking workers are spoiled by basic levels of protection. Shameful.

[@themorebeer3072]

Musk claims the slowdown is caused by the app having 1000 remote calls. Senior app dev says that's not how it works, goes on to explain the actual problem. Musk fires the senior dev for correcting him in public.

[@sfreemanoh]

And there were people placing the blame on the dev, saying that he shouldn't have contradicted Musk in public. Because even though Musk called out the devs in public, it's his company, and he can do whatever he wants, but the dev should have just taken some lumps and liked it.

[@iamsobanned]

@@sfreemanoh Musk is the kind of person where if you don't call him out in public he will just walk all over you anyways. At least this way it is actually documented unlike in his other companies he seems to run like frat houses.

[@JuryDutySummons]

@@sfreemanoh Depends on how much you want to keep your job, I guess. Contradicting the boss-man in public is generally a resume generating event, in the best of times.

[@ohauss]

@@JuryDutySummons Depends entirely on the jurisdiction

[@aravindpallippara1577]

​@@JuryDutySummonsyou are probably working for the wrong person if they get hurt by public corrections on statements they shouldn't have said in the first place without cross-checking

[@R.JoshField]

"Sinusoidal deplenoration" got me good. Clearly he needs to refit Twitter's primary encabulator with a drawn-reciprocation dingle arm, or take the plunge and replace the entire unit with a retro encabulator. Honestly, the investment would be worthwhile in the long term, since since one of Rockwell's retro encabulator's main features is power generation via the modial interaction between magneto reluctance and capacitive interactance. Hell he could even allocate inter-synchronous runtime to get Hyperloop up and running, if he's willing to shell out. I should know, I briefly worked as a dish technician at a gostronomical procurement center.

[@averagegeek3957]

But does it eliminate side fumbling?

[@youtubeisnotsogood4390]

If the panametric spurving arm is made of pre-fabulated amulite, the side fumbling can overcentrize the lunar phase reactants, leading to at times an almost omnilevered hyperpresence of modial horizontalism.

[@exodia_right_leg]

No no you got this all wrong. He can solve the congestion issues with an electric centralized magnetic hyper velocity transportation unit.

[@ooooneeee]

Reverse the polarity!

[@DarkZodiacZZ]

All that techno babble when all he needs to do the fix the whole Twitter issue is to insert quantum harmonizer into photonic resonation chamber. 🥸

[@JudgeNLN]

It's relatively important, and amusing, to note that the head of the Android app development team said the the app was definitely *not* doing >1000 "poorly-batched" RPCs, Elon asked him how many, then he fired him over Twitter. Sources say he apparently tried to re-hire him and failed...since employees fired over a social media platform don't tend to feel respected enough to continue working at that company.

[@Jamie_D]

I'm surprised all the celebs etc aren't suing Musk/Twitter as well for making it so easy for people to impersonate them, damaging their brand or name. The actions were reckless and before the impersonations started even an average joe like me knew it would happen.

[@Markyroson]

That could very likely happen, but I am also surprised it hasn't already. It was because of this exact scenario (impersonators and a resulting lawsuit) that social media verification was created in the first place. I am surprised that Devin didn't dig into this in this video.

[@Not.a.bird.Person]

It's questionable at best that they could sue. The reason websites such as Twitter exist is because they are allowed to defer responsibility for speech written on their platforms. Since they are removed from the responsibility of said speech, they are removed from any liability that could follow from it (defamation, etc.).

[@Markyroson]

@@Not.a.bird.Person I find it interesting that as more or less a settlement of a previous suit was the creation of verification in 2009.

[@DeadKraken]

@@Not.a.bird.Person Twitter got sued for the exact same thing(accounts impersonating celebs) and that's why they implemented the verification system 10+ years ago. So yes, the platform can and will get sued when fake accounts create substantial damage, which they did to a large extent to companies like Eli Lilly and Lockeed Martin, plus the funny tweets about Bush, the Pope, Blair, Giuliani etc...went viral, so they could be considered defamatory as well.

[@TimeBomb014X]

Hahahaha and isnt that beautiful, all those twitter blue check marks have been nuetered, their check marks are no longer a status symbol for to fluant. Now any regular joe with $20 to burn can be Stephen King and do some beautiful destroction. Oh let the death of twitter be glorious

[@drxym]

His legal issues take an international dimension. Twitter has offices all around the world. I'm sure many people in major centres like Dublin, Ireland will be availing of strong employment laws to take the company to tribunal for constructive dismissal, violation of terms of contract, violation of labour rules, discrimination or anything else applicable to their individual situation.

[@Stupiddumbmanditoryhandle]

Dublin had 500 twitter employees and 1/2 of them faced elons wrath, haven't been paying enough attention to give you a proper answer to the ramifications but his whole work 80 hours hard-core grindset shpeel he wanted is highly illegal here.

[@sfreemanoh]

@@Stupiddumbmanditoryhandle I BELIEVE (but I'm not 100% sure) that it's also illegal in the US to try to force even salaried employees to work more than their contracted hours. You can suggest it, but once you put it in writing as a requirement to keep your employment, I believe that's even illegal in the employee rights hellscape that is the US.

[@Marshall.R]

@@sfreemanoh But of course, even if the law itself isn't bad here there's always ways for corporations to get around it.

[@ronishamay]

The whole free insulin causing medical stocks to drop was amazing, lol

[@BoojumFed]

Forget where I originally saw this, but it *_is_* true that watching companies publicly come out to distance themselves from troll accounts with statements like "The right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is *_not_* a core value of our company" has been AMAZING...

[@whocares2277]

It's probably not real. The only thing that circulated is a picture claiming to show a tweet that no one saw, and the number of likes/retweets in that picture was very small. It's more likely someone saw the stock going down for other reasons and made a fake picture in response.

[@meoff7602]

@@whocares2277 Yeah clear it was a troll post.

[@ztmackin]

@@whocares2277 you can see the drop on Robinhood (a freeish service to check that) but its nowhere near the amount they claim was lost and its stock is still going up.

[@juliaspoonie3627]

Diabetics are fighting for YEARS/decades for better access and cheap access to insulin. The scientists who invented/found insulin sold the patent for 1$ because they said insulin belongs to the people. Companies like Eli Lilly get called out for decades, I still hope it will cause the much needed change!

[@EspyMelly]

Bids 44b for a company practically as a meme, realizes only too late how bad an idea it was and tries to back down unsuccessfully, then goes into panic mode trying to make the company more profitable by firing anyone that can stand up to his ridiculous ideas as well as most of the work force, making several awful decisions that show he's completely out of his depth, scaring off many of the companies that could make him any money through ads, crippling the site's security and causing impersonation to run wild, among other nonsense. The billionaire genius, everyone. About the only thing that could make him look slightly less like an idiot in all this is if it was his intent to bankrupt the company in the most comical way possible from the beginning.

[@Unsaintlyjay]

and whilst not in your purview, he may also be in trouble with EU law due to attempted dismissal of staff in those countries, which is significantly more difficult to do.

[@davidbeppler3032]

The EU fired the Prime Minister in 3 weeks. Seems like they have pretty fast dismissal laws.

[@lich109]

@@davidbeppler3032 Who?

[@IxodesPersulcatus]

I absolutely love how Musk Dunning-Kruger'd himself into thinking he could run Twitter just because he used Twitter.

[@wallyman292]

Uhm. He and his brother founded a software company after he dropped out of college in '95. They sold it 4 years later for $307 MILLION dollars. He then went on to to co-found an online bank, which merged with another to form a little web-based pay site you may have heard of called Paypal. Pretty sure he knows how to run a tech company like twitter.

[@dameongeppetto]

@@wallyman292 Elon was fired as CEO of PayPal because "the company won't last six months under his leadership" according to his buddy Peter Theil. Bootlick harder, bro. The trickle down will happen any century now, just wait.

[@razzytack]

@@wallyman292 say all the PR blurbs you want, his current performance with Twitter isnt doing any favors in convincing most people that he knows what hes doing here

[@shinewherethouwillandthouh7455]

Well OBVIOUSLY since code is the most smart boy thing in the world if you understand code (Any kind of code) then OBVIOUSLY anything else you try to do will be easy because you understand the hardest thing.

[@djtreq]

@@wallyman292 Your, and Elon's apparently, mistake is in considering Twitter to be a tech company. A bit like calling a newspaper publisher a wood pulp product company. The gap between is where all of the messy human, cultural, legal, and political factors exist which make running one entirely different than the other.

[@Ken19700]

Everything I've read about taking over a new business is that you don't change anything for at least a year while you learn exactly how it runs and determine what changes are necessary, if any, and come up with a plan and implement it.

[@Marewig]

Yep. And the entire Twitter saga is going to be written into several (cautionary) cases for future business school course material. So much lessons to learn from Musk on how (not) to manage a newly-acquired company.

[@tekcomputers]

Well, it doesn't necessarily need to be a year, 6 months may be fine. But yes, one should actually spends several months working with existing experts to develop plans and understand performance metrics before implementing changes. But yeah, taking over then starting massive layoffs is just going to make problems and expenses for you when you're then going to need to spend extra time and extra money trying to get back people who you shouldn't have laid off. Because as someone who works in TA I can gurantee some who was so critical you need to scramble to hire them back is in a spot where they get unsolicited offers and so likely is already looking at offers equal to their own previous role with you, and now you're going to need to pay them more than before to get them back.

[@en0n126]

That's unnecessary. Musk obviously knew exactly how Twitter was being run because he uses Twitter and read it on Twitter. Nothing more is needed!

[@akaroth7542]

Kinda like how we all see successful local restaurants get bought out, improved....then promptly close

[@billh.1940]

@@akaroth7542 happens all the time!

[@ThatOneIrishFurry]

"I've been sued enough im basically a lawyer at this point" Elon Musk

[@Levacque]

"I've stabbed enough people that I'm basically a thoracic surgeon"

[@LynetteTheRogue]

I feel bad for the employees who are just trying to do their job and earn a living, but damn I love watching a narcissist dig his own grave. What an absolute train wreck

[@5280Bassin]

I was laughing when all those losers at twitter lost their jobs.

[@gbarnes3234]

To be fair a lot came out about Twitter and their past employees with Musk buying it. A Twitter employee admitted to only working 4 hours a week and that he wasn’t the only one. These people don’t seem to be working too hard…

[@arhael3594]

I guess you have no idea what it's like working in tech. You can change jobs like gloves and being made redundant comes with a lucrative compensation package. I was made redundant from Oracle, best thing that happened in my career.

[@robertstone9988]

I dont thank the ones fired or quitting were there just to dobthere job.

[@dragb9284]

@@5280Bassin I feel bad for the coders and system maintainers. Those guy have no say on how the company’s run and only try and mainline the site.

[@jonathanwatson268]

I have a Twitter account. I've been on the platform probably 20 times in the last 10 years. I don't really like the platform so it's fun to watch this from a distance as someone who is completely unaffected. That being said, I feel bad for the thousands of employees whose lives have been sent into chaos while they're just trying to make a living.

[@aazhie]

@@SaimAli-k4v are you ever on twitter? it's been crashing left and right. xD

[@yakuza01]

Elon is like the little kid who goes "Maaaan, what do we need all these traffic lights for? Not fair!"

[@Zeromaus]

Except the traffic lights on twitter are imaginary and never protected anybody.

[@rryan916]

Roundabouts are safer, cheaper, and easier to construct. So... I agree.

[@ameliasellers6396]

@@rryan916 Problem is that people don't know how the hell roundabouts work. Also they make me slightly nauseous.

[@frejglass]

didn't he make that dumbass tesla tunnel because he got stuck in traffic once? so you're pretty much spot on

[@Grimpmann]

@@ameliasellers6396 People don't know how a lot of things work but we do this thing called "Learn".

[@aslandus]

Turns out firing all the employees who make a company function in an effort to make that company profitable might not be a good idea, who could've guessed?

[@906-x3w]

... And replacing them with people who actually want to work and improve the platform.

[@ramirogonzalez7153]

@@906-x3w When it comes to Social Media sites you are not the customer, you are the product. Twitter employees work on internal tools and analytics for advertisers.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@906-x3w He could fire everyone and that would not take the company to profitability not anywhere near The firings have nothing to do with profitability. I don’t know what his game is but the firing make zero business sense.

[@edwinhuang9244]

@@906-x3w That would mean he had a plan for how to replace those employees. Show me the plan.

[@MJ-pu5lf]

@@906-x3w A) your assuming that employees at twitter don't want to work or improve the platform B) Your assuming he actually planned to hire new employees.

[@utjiuatjavara3787]

Why are Labour laws in America so loose like how does one just fire employees out of the blue

[@Wulture]

because land of the free and modern slavery

[@MERCENARYTAO1]

Because everyone has the freedom to be an asshole, including your boss.

[@markevans8206]

Because corporations are people, money is speech, and FrEeDoM!!!

[@ObsidianLife]

They actually aren’t… Elon violated the Warren act which is why those employees are suing. The issue is that A company has to commit a crime and then be sued.

[@blackbird7781]

Lots and lots of corruption and erosion of laws by individuals bought out by big business

[@WatchMeLearnIt]

Not only is he a lawyer, Legal Eagle knows EXACTLY which flux capacitors Twitter needs to maintain its site. Incredible.

[@brianaltmiller4409]

Musk is trying to cheap out and convince us that the flux capacitors will work at 44 miles per hour.

[@francookie9353]

... and I don't even know what a fox composter is. 😓

[@intrepidpursuit]

The level of irrationality possible get taking about anything relating to Musk is incredible. The average comment here is summed up as, "even I know more than he does therefore he must be an idiot". People need to be a little quicker to question their own abilities.

[@lavaboatcubesupportsukrain7539]

@@francookie9353its from Back to the Future

[@francookie9353]

@@lavaboatcubesupportsukrain7539 Oh! Thanks, sincerely. :) It does sound fictional. I'll take that as a sign to watch the series again sometime.

[@TikkaQrow]

the amount of money wasted... Literally 0.1% of that amount would solve a VERY significant number of issues I have in life right now. The funniest bit last weekend was Twitter firing security team involved in copyright protection, so ENTIRE movies were being tweeted. It was interesting to watch pirated media on Twitter.

[@paul16451]

Yeah...the FTC is going to have a field day with that.

[@jellevaneijk9397]

0.1% would solve a very significant number of issues for many countries

[@pedinhuh16]

I'm quite sure that literally 0.001% of only the money that he lost this year would have been more than enough to set ourselves up for life and resolve most immediate issues right away.

[@brandonproductions8401]

Apparently using $44 Billion to buy a company that suppressed free speech and turning it around PALES in comparison to the issues that affect you.

[@asmodeuslol7904]

@@brandonproductions8401how’s that boot taste?

[@derekisazombie39]

You really dropped the ball when you didn’t call Musk fans Muskateers lol. Good video as always

[@peterbrazukas7771]

Given Musk's Republican leanings and the party's entanglement with Russia, I think 'Muskovites' was perfect.

[@BeggarsNight]

“Musketeers” has too much positive connotation attached to it. It would come off as complimentary.

[@Viviolau]

I like muskrats

[@leifmeadows3782]

I was like... Elon Musk has fans? Everyone I know pretty much hates him.

[@tranmthu]

I might be an avid Twitter user, but seeing it all go up in flames is hilarious. And the ads really moved quickly to other sites like tumblr. If we get another video about Twitter I hope Legal Eagle will also look at the international problems Musk will be facing. Good luck trying to fire EU employees LOL

[@FirstIsa]

Devin's going to need to do a "Elon is legally murdered: Guest staring several dozen international lawyers" Special that looks like a zoom call with lawyers that specialize in labor laws in other countries explaining just how badly he messed up with their nation's laws.

[@wildfire9280]

Ads moving back to tumblr? I guess banning explicit content finally started to pay off. …Years later.

[@SkySong6161]

Tumblr doesn't want a comeback arc. lol. The discourse as gotten... interesting, to the tune of, "we can't let people know we live here, close the blinds."

[@tranmthu]

@@wildfire9280 yeah, I used to only see ads for viagra on tumblr, now there are some other ads including my city's district office and other local companies lol

[@sleedgear]

It’s great to hear about the sinusoidal deplanaration, it seems like nobody is talking about it! Good flux capacitors and proton packs are hard to come by these days, though

[@tektrixter]

Never underestimate the power of inverting the power to the main deflector dish!

[@gregmark1688]

Dude, as I've already pointed out, nothing short of an oscillation overthruster is going to do the trick.

[@companymen42]

Don’t forget about the dingle-arm

[@likebot.]

Dammit! And I just traded my flux capacitor for a retroencabulator :(

[@somerandomgamer8504]

Don't forget to recombobulate it afterward!

[@Dream146]

Another big issue he has is quite a lot of the employees fired weren't based in the USA but in Europe and we generally have much tighter employment laws than America so that's a much harder fight for him to win.

[@kylerudert6191]

not really just doesnt have to do buisness with the eu as its a us based company their laws need not be followed as much as the eu dislikes that ultimately he doesnt have to

[@OveToranger]

No need to fire any european employees....he can just shut down the offices...if the company has no footprint there...they have no employees... You can't demand a US company pay people in France a salary if they're not working for the US company... But if they footprint is kept in the EU....there has to be adherence to EU rules !

[@chriswebster839]

@@OveToranger yeah that's not how it works in the EU, that wouldn't count as official termination, so those employees would still be entitled to be paid until they received official notices of termination of employment.

[@Bezimienny1598]

@@kylerudert6191 What are you talking about? These employees were EU-based, it doesn't mean shit that Twitter is US-based. Twitter has to follow EU labour laws for its EU employees. These employees that were illegally fired do have the right to sue Twitter for it because the EU laws allow them to. US law doesn't apply to employees working in Europe.

[@4200Felix]

@@kylerudert6191 He doesn't have to do buisness with Europe, but he does. Not only does he employ people in Europe, which is covered by EU law, but he also gives European users and advertisers access to Twitter services, which means Twitter is doing business in Europe and need to comply with both national and EU law.

[@blobofblutack]

I got off Twitter years ago (all social media tbf) and this entire situation is hilariously fun to watch go down.

[@6AxisSage]

I tried twit once but didnt enjoy conversing with that sespool of self absorbed talentless nobodies.

[@dumbspeaches456]

How are you watching it... If you're not on Twitter? You're like... Way back in the very back of the stadium straining your eyes to see what's really going on

[@stinker6784]

@@dumbspeaches456 i cant bother going on twitter every day just to see something as its happening. watching a yt video a few days after is good enough for a lot of people including me lol

[@cooldiamondmancertifiedasp7912]

you know that youtube is social media right?

[@Boyahda]

There's something vaguely terrifying about how any random billionaire can just decide one day on a whim to uproot thousands of lives and completely change the face of social media.

[@LeksiW]

Yes, a lot of people are laughing and treating this situation as a joke, even in these comments. However, many people rely on twitter to make a living, many of them disabled or unable to work in traditional jobs for a variety of reasons including parents who have to work from home and families with dependents with special needs.

[@Vkpz]

@@LeksiW b-but he's owning the libs!! That's more important right!?!?

[@monocapuch1no]

@@LeksiW 🤓

[@jadedandbitter]

You definitely never lived through the early 70's and the 80's. Mass layoffs happened a LOT, and im talking hundreds of thousands, not 7k overpaid lazy butts in silicon valley.

[@GeometricPidgeon]

It's telling abt what platforms people choose to use for the past 15 years, really.

[@stuartcoyle1626]

When the value in the company, the capital, is entirely about people's knowledge and skills, firing half the employees is like flushing half your capital down the drain.

[@chezbizo]

have no doubt, the value of the company is in the amount of people using it. knowledge and skills help but is secondary and replaceable.

[@tink6225]

every time the stupidity of this decision is emphasized, a year is added to my life

[@tink6225]

@@chezbizo people cant use it if it doesnt run like it should

[@TheGuruStud]

@@tink6225 cope more, it runs, b/c it's automated software

[@Seth9809]

@@TheGuruStud Yes, because whole movies being uploaded proves they have enough moderators and not less than 4chan.

[@nicole-ls4jb]

The script writers are on POINT ("pay per blue"), and Devin has a GREAT "throw away" delivery on all of the world play 😁

[@LostParadise_]

I think whats more impressive about the advertisers pulling out is that I'm able to see it in real time. I dont recall seeing a corporate advert on the site in days, maybe weeks. Most promoted tweets are from small or microscophic accounts with maybe only a couple hundred to thousand followers to barely breaking triple digits if at all. And of course, these tweets get no sort of interaction whatsoever. It's actually kind of impressive how badly Musk has handled this situation. But his shortcomings have turned the platform into the best piece of online entertainment for a few weeks.

[@Demmrir]

My god. You regularly review comedy shows' lawyering and yet this is your most cuttingly sarcastic episode yet. I love it. Keep giving Musk exactly the respect he deserves.

[@OpsFox245]

This is the most entertainment I've gotten from Twitter ever.

[@FernandoSV]

"comedy is now legal on Twitter" checks out

[@blackbird7781]

@@FernandoSV unless it is laughs about him

[@Fireclaws10]

Idk i’m enjoying the Goncharov movie art

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

Twitter deserves Elon Musk after what they did to Lindsay Ellis.

[@SourGummiWyrm69]

@@Fireclaws10 you know where the art's originating from, right?

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Musk simps are so sad, I saw one who said twitter only needs 250 employees (even though he's rehiring when it was 3,400), and all the people who left or fired were "activist" employees, they never gave me an answer of what an activist employee is.

[@blackbird7781]

Cuz theyvdont know what it is. It is a buzzword

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@blackbird7781 very true

[@grmasdfII]

The opposite would be a passivist employee, I guess. You know, the one who takes it in the ass and doesn't even ask for a reach around.

[@bsphil]

Or the one saying they only needed a few hundred H1B visa employees because they'd effectively face deportation if they wanted to quit to escape Elno's nonsense.

[@richardthomas598]

@@bsphil Amazing how they become pro-immigration only if it narrowly benefits their golden calf, like Musk or Trump.

[@waltblackadar4690]

Elon Musk is a perfect example of a guy who started believing his own press.

[@robsolf]

5:10 I agree. No reasonable person would believe that Eli Lilly would suddenly grow a conscience.

[@shimi4364]

Isn't going to stop Eli Lilly higher ups from publicly blaming Elon's Twitter. Especially if there a chance they can get some of the money back.

[@bec7080]

Musk: No work from home Twitter employees: I'll work from someone else's company

[@dndsl3436]

Musk: No work from home. And now, I'll lock you out of your office.

[@mtchllBarrett]

"Elon Musk owns Twitter, and now Twitter is owning Elon Musk" is the best possible way to start a video, ever

[@justaghostinthesea]

"Consequence free speech" is something I learned wasn't a real thing in proper society when I was in middle school. So that really tells you where Elon Musk is mentally.

[@superpantman]

I feel like he had this coming after the big, "I can buy whatever I want" shenanigans.

[@watchm4ker]

Buying is one thing. *Managing* is another.

[@colinsutherland201]

My favorite bit was when he basically granted all Irish Twitter employees the ability to work from home after one confronted him on Twitter

[@20storiesunder]

Whaaaa, must have missed that. How did they convince him?

[@Dubliner-un9lw]

@@20storiesunder think it might have something to do with them all working remotely in areas of Ireland where housing is cheaper. Housing in Dublin is unaffordable for tech workers, let alone lower paid workers

[@BanaiFeldstein]

You can tell that he became a billionaire because he's a genius by his genius way of running this new business... wait, no, the other thing. Also, someone commented that he's the CEO of three companies and he still spends all day tweeting. Sounds like CEOs don't have a lot of work to do. So why do they get paid so much?

[@tekcomputers]

He became a billionaire because he had millions from his parents and used to be smart enough to hire people who could accomplish things to make him the billions. Now however he things he is smarter than everyone else, has an extremely fragile ego, so surrounds himself with yes-men who only exist to tell him he is smart while he makes poor decision after poor decision which costs him money.

[@tekcomputers]

He became a billionaire because he had millions from his parents and used to be smart enough to hire people who could accomplish things to make him the billions. Now however he things he is smarter than everyone else, has an extremely fragile ego, so surrounds himself with yes-men who only exist to tell him he is smart while he makes poor decision after poor decision which costs him money.

[@willieverusethis]

Enough time to tweet all day, but no time for his families. He's puzzled about why employees aren't thrilled to work 80 hours a week to fulfil his ego dreams because he has no love in his soul and doesn't understand what's really important in life.

[@mikewurlitzer5217]

How many thousands of people have you employed with your brilliance? How many cars have you produced with your brilliance. How many rocket launches did your company accomplish? What is the name of your Internet Service? This entire thread was very enlightening to see where the love of censorship and hatred of true creators of businesses comes from.

[@thugpug4392]

@@mikewurlitzer5217 Elon Musk didn't design nor invent the Tesla. Employing people requires money, I wasn't born with a silver spoon up my ass. Rocket launches for my company? He threw money at SpaceX. That was his role. He didn't create the rockets with his "brilliance". For me to personally launch a rocket without the money he had I'd have to design, build, and pay for the thing alone off my $12 an hour job. My internet service again would require money to build the infrastructure and he didn't invent anything new there either. There's actual engineers of all different fields behind those successes. Elon Musk is at best a social media manager, an investor, and an ideas guy who has a lot of impractical, impossible, or stupid ideas like the failed Hyperloop. He is not a particularly good social media manager considering the controversies and his public image. Being an investor requires nothing more than getting lucky. I think a more fair thing to analyze is how he treats other human beings. Anyone, regardless of their levels of wealth, can afford to be kind. He does not seem particularly kind.

[@bobdylan5705]

Question for you - a recurring theme in the 80s/90s action movies is "diplomatic immunity" of the bad guys - is it as impervious as they portray in the films? Thanks and love your content!

[@Loctorak]

Almost certainly not. I think it mostly applies to things like parking tickets, or other situations where your cultural/geographical upbringing may lead you to a different expectation of behaviour than the country you're currently in. I believe those laws exist to smooth over things like that, but it certainly isnt like an all powerful "license to kill etc" as some movies portray it to be.

[@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA]

my friend who is a programmer told me that what elon wants from twiiter programmers is so ridiculous that he would have quit too, elon doesnt like people saying he is wrong .

[@MMK86]

wa wa....theres plenty of programmers out there, he will find the right group or team in time

[@arturoaguilar6002]

@@MMK86 He better search for priests; because programmers don't do miracles.

[@IsAcRafT]

@@arturoaguilar6002 neither the political activist that were working on Twitter prior.

[@ecyor0]

​@@MMK86 unfortunately "programmers willing and able to lick Elons boots and pacify his manbaby tantrums" and "programmers with the skill and drive to Elon-proof twitter" have very little overlap on the Venn diagram.

[@lesslighter]

@@arturoaguilar6002 the techpriests brother they will roughtly take 100 years just to make you a toaster

[@MultiCavis]

Somewhere, a lawyer is trying for the sixth time to explain to Musk that the Delaware Court of Chancery can't use specific performance to force the advertisers back on First Amendment grounds.

[@tekcomputers]

I'm sure Musk will do what Musk does, and simply fire the lawyer and hire a new one, till he gets one who will either tell him what he wants to hear or Twitter is ruined and receivership to be auctioned off, whichever comes first. Though the second part is bound to happen even if the first happens.

[@dynamicworlds1]

They must be very diplomatic with their word choice if they can make it to telling Elon for the 6th time a truth he doesn't want to hear before getting fired first.

[@greebj]

Or that an employer can't contract out of vicarious liability. Good luck chasing your (ex-) engineers for the $billions of fines awarded by the FTC over software they took "personal responsibility" for

[@glenngriffon8032]

This going to make a hilarious internet historian video in 15 years

[@HirokuDev]

oh god yes

[@Thrna_1]

I was already imagining the fake verified accounts being narrated in his voice so easily, can't wait.

[@gregmark1688]

This comment makes me wish YT had a 'love' react button

[@iawaki]

I’m a history undergraduate and I’m already dreading writing this history

[@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883]

"You can never be too safe online so turn your network into your castle with a deluxe Lordship package from Established Titles."

[@39zack]

You gotta need that castle when the shadow legends comes and raids you 😅

[@bradmyers5354]

“Them thangs thangin” It has come full circle and my thanksgiving can’t get any better than that Rudy G tweet being read out here. It has been very entertaining indeed. Elon’s Knights have been working overtime defending their faux genius.

[@benjamindesjarlais5713]

*thangsgiving

[@SirAsdf]

Man, with Kanye, Alex Jones, FTX and now Elon, the past few months have been a smorgasbord of seeing douchy billionaires taking major Ls. Ya love to see it.

[@voland6846]

Is... is Alex Jones a billionaire?! How?

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

It's time people realize that the charisma and prestige these people project is a lie to keep the people they exploit from seeing the massive knife they're plunging into our backs. It's so easy to fall for the charm of someone who is successful, because those people also want to be successful and think the game is fair and they can win too. It's not. Not everyone can win, otherwise it wouldn't be a competition.

[@LauraLovesHugs]

i don't think alex jones was a billionaire but he certainly isn't going to be one after his settlements lmao

[@Blackbaldrik]

@@voland6846 Dude made absolute bank off of peddling conspiracy, while also selling wildly overpriced fake supplements to his sycophantic audience. Not sure if he's a billionaire, he may just be a massive multimillionaire. But regardless after those brutal lawsuits, ol' Jones ain't gonna be either pretty soon.

[@Ruiseal]

What did kanye do?

[@companymen42]

I’m sure purposefully bankrupting a company you were forced to buy is definitely gonna be a lawsuit.

[@princecharon]

I think it would be more than one lawsuit, though I'm really not sure how many.

[@rollerskdude]

But it's his company. Ain't it an American right to bankrupt that which you own...

[@metgames8703]

he did it a few times before

[@Rale881]

@@rollerskdude It depends

[@joachimschoder]

Google bought a couple of companies just to shut them down. I don't think anything would stop Musk from doing the same legally speaking. Putting it into bankruptcy intentionally probably violate a couple of laws. But I am no lawyer. So this would be interesting to hear about.

[@TheSupriest]

And it's without considering the european employees, that can't be fired like that (there is far more protection on EU level and national level than in the US). It could and will sure be a nightmare for Twitter lawyers there.

[@AlatheD]

"Much a-sue about nothing." Dad jokes, if your dad's a lawyer. Keep 'em coming, Devin, I've got a catcher's mitt.

[@themalcore_]

I have to correct you at 5:55. Sinusoidal deplumation isn't solvable by flux capacitors and proton packs. They can be fixed with a drawn-reciprocation dingle arm though, just like in the Rockwell Retro Encabulator.

[@cheesecurd100s]

It's all right there on page 67 of the turbo encabulators manual and song book, for those interested

[@JiveAmpersan]

I think naming Musk's fans muskovites may be the best multi-layered joke I have heard all week. Well done!

[@thefifth1105]

@5:55 This is why use a drawn reciprocation dingle arm to effectively prevent sinusoidal depleneration. Twitter really should implement a Rockwell Automation Retroencabulator.

[@spiritbaki108]

If Twitter's servers would work retroactively, it would be possible to implement that, but seeing as the cycles per gigabyte are too low to meet BJT transistor requierements, we will have to settle for an object oriented operating system which will fix the problems at hand.

[@alexanders562]

People who can do their jobs from home being told they have to get up earlier, get dressed up, bring their lunch, commute, and deal with office micro management are another thing that could backfire. That bird has flown as people realized their time and stress was better served on other factors than showing up at an office.

[@johnmickey5017]

2 hours added to my day (commute, getting dressed, getting gas, office BS) cuts my pay rate by 25% and adds transit, food, and wardrobe costs.

[@tekcomputers]

Yep, and in the current market were Remote work has become much more common, most of those people could just up and leave for another remote job. The day of the "officeworker" is pretty much gone, with a few exceptions. There really is absolutely no valid reason Twitter needs "offices" for people to work out of. Their business would work best and most effective with their entire workforce with the exception of a few NOC/SOC people being 100% virtual.

[@reaganharder1480]

Besides that i'm pretty sure there are studies showing higher productivity from relatively unsupervised work from home employees.

[@aleksandr6691]

I had a coworker a while back tell me that if the company we work for required us to go back into the office that he was just going to quit. We're not even a well known company, so you better bet that someone with experience working at a big name company like Twitter would have a considerably easier time finding fully remote work elsewhere.

[@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341]

And many of those employees have always worked remote. They don't even have an office to report to.

[@d4mdcykey]

Watching a ginormous ego fight itself to the death, in an empty room, may end up being the most entertaining and instructive real time event in recent memory. Thanks Elon!

[@GCJACK83]

Musk: "Twitter will not be allowed to turn into a hellscape." Also Musk: *Turns Twitter into more of a hellscape than it already was.*

[@camwyn256]

And all he had to do is fire 75% of the moderators

[@IsAcRafT]

@@camwyn256 but then why defending the moderators though? They were very biased, added political connotations even to random drawings, they banned people that didn't even broke the terms of service or the law, they were very narcissistic and full of themselves way before Elon stepped in, they do not deserves your sorry or anyone else's one at all.

[@camwyn256]

@@IsAcRafT I see you'd rather defend rising unemployment

[@Lowlightt]

@@camwyn256 Ironic that twitter seems to be running fine even with the reduced staff, running better in many countries (like japan) than it ever has, and is not in line to start turning a profit as is right now.

[@coriespringer9785]

@@Lowlightt was that before or after the copyright strike software went down?

[@ruthy08]

The delivery of the sinusoidal repleneration was perfect. Excellent reference. 👍

[@panthyrrvod]

If the app just had properly calibrated hydrocoptic marzel vanes, it'd be just fine.

[@supermarioisacat]

It's the upbend of the grammeters that really saves the day

[@corruptedplayer]

a what?

[@supermarioisacat]

@@corruptedplayer If somebody has to explain it, you wouldn't think it's very funny

[@camwyn256]

Sadly, though, there was an unrecoverable fault in the AE35-B unit

[@Blade.5786]

I think the perpendicularity of the bisector of the optical main frame backnet was simply too galvanized for the mitochondrion to oscillate properly

[@rabbitlove1785]

Ya know I feel like trying to buy twitter was just to try and show off power. I would've liked it if he hadn't bought it at all, but since he has, I'm somewhat satisfied to know it's biting him back even if only a short while. I hate how all these billionaires just think it's their undeniable right to controll masses of people just because they have money. I feel like all that money can only change people for the worst. Too much power.

[@jesuszamora6949]

He didn't WANT to buy it in the first place. This was a publicity stunt that went wrong because he didn't expect to get sued for specific performance.

[@Levacque]

He's also trying to stoke his image as the saviour of the supposedly-disenfranchised alt right and men's rights communities. These are the sects of western society who are most vocally upset about accountability in free speech, so musk goes, "I'll make sure you, specifically YOU who have been censored for hateful shit, will not be censored anymore." And then when he censored civil rights-oriented criticisms of his own takeover, the angry and hateful types fell right in line behind him. I had a truly frightening encounter with a 20-year-old who just kept saying crazier and crazier misogynistic shit and the whole diatribe (I was trapped at work with him) started with him praising musk and his good business practices.

[@rabbitlove1785]

@@jesuszamora6949 Mm yeah I know he tried to back out of it in the end but my point was the whole thing seemed to stem from a power trip to begin with. Show the public he can just buy out anybody if he wants to get his way kinda deal.

[@rabbitlove1785]

@@jesuszamora6949 But yeah I do agree it was intended to be a publicity stunt to show off

[@Matt-cr4vv]

I’ve gone back and forth on this. I have generally felt that he didn’t plan to actually buy it. But I never really wrote it up to power as much as I did publicity. I feel that he made the offer thinking it would get denied and that he could use the denial as publicity for being the guy who tried to fight for free speech but got blocked by the nasty liberal tech giants. And I think at first they wanted to block him, as they discussed a poison pill. But when he kept making a fuss I think the Board decided to call his bluff and accept the deal. I think they were hesitant at first because the price he offered per share at the time was a premium but it wasn’t a crazy premium over what shares were trading at the time. Shares were trading around $45 when he made his offer of $54.20. So at the time it wasn’t an insane premium. So I think the Baird at first didn’t feel like it was enough of a premium. But when he made his fuss they accepted the deal. And obviously shares declined quite a bit in the time between their acceptance and the closing of the deal. I tend to think even when they accepted it that he initially planned to borrow against his Tesla shares to finance the purchase but didn’t count on the big decline Tesla would take following the news. And when it became a clearly bad financial deal for him I think he tried to escape the deal with all the bots claim as a way to save face. But at the same time he waived so many of his rights in the acquisition I just don’t get his mindset. For example, he waived due dilligence. I always wonder if he thought if he made enough of a fuss he could escape by paying the $1B and love another day until he realized he was stuck. Who knows. But if it was a power trip it definitely worked in that aspect.

[@danielbroome5690]

I think this just kind of goes to show how ineffective or cavalier CEOs/billionaires are regarding consent decrees and why Government needs to start breaking up these big corporations if they get out of line.

[@robertgaudet7407]

Yes, I trust the judgement of elected officials to make expert decisions about this stuff.

[@charzanboo9940]

Spoken like a true fascist...

[@dumbspeaches456]

@@robertgaudet7407 I know right... Imagine a world where the government snuffs out a business because it's getting too "Big" You know what would happen to Elon musk and all the billionaires... They'd become our politicians.🙏

[@BeggarsNight]

@@robertgaudet7407 ​ huh, what a crazy idea, that we might trust people we chose to do a job and who we can hold accountable…instead of just trusting a guy with no qualifications, and who used his inherited wealth to buy his way into company leadership, to just do things ethically and properly.

[@alexia3552]

Breaking up these billionaires*