legendary Colonel Mikhail Ryabko

* Over 25 years of service with Russian Special Operations Units
* Tactical Commander and Trainer of hostage rescue teams, counter- terrorist operations and armed criminal neutralization
*Advisor to the Minister of Justice of Russia
*Founder and Chief Instructor of Systema

[@nicklbum99]

I was curious about this MA and went to a seminar with Martin Wheeler. In a multiple attack drill we were all wrongly focussing on one person at a time. He demonstrated with his eyes closed how to relax and fight multiple opponents. We all had a go and the experience was universal: the harder you go in, the harder you get hit. It was overwhelming and confusing. No Psycho bullshit, just amazing movement and very hard hits. Yes its like dancing - but with bruises.

[@JosephDungee]

Looks real...This Colonel is obviously a Top Notch (If not THE Top Notch) expert in this discipline. Thanks for the Upload and information!

[@StormyGaby]

Mikhail is so unbelievable! One time he has juste touch me, and i can t move for a fexw moment. Systema is so great ^^

[@Azerty777]

Those are good comedians.

[@tropickman]

+The One Who Did It Ryabko is deadly. Look at his punches; and here he is playing.

[@Z3NRage]

You're a good moron.

[@sreghellin]

you have to try a class before talking

[@FilipMakaroni_xD]

the master of life is the only comedic part here xD altho Systema really has a spiritual implication

[@christiansebastian7752]

En Rusia están pasando cosas muy muy difíciles de entender para las mentes chatas y básicas de esta era pero si te puedo decir que en Rusia están usando información para sus milicias que son de otro planeta sin dudas

[@PARR53]

@urbanner I totally understand you on this issue. Ive been an Aikidoka for awhile now and the techniques if applied right are extremely powerful and work almost too well sometimes. As a former NCAA football player@6'1 and 225lbs I highly doubt im faking the pain and throws but I just always tell people its something that honestly has to be felt to be full appreciated.

[@antondenikine916]

Adieu grand maître !

[@missingethics]

More choreography than a john woo film

[@gangsta287]

what a master of the arts, his god like physique is what impresses me the most

[@Archanjel16]

i like Mikhails work very much, great master !

[@taiji218]

@Valentyn90A Systema is a lot older than Ryabko or Kadochnikov. Kadochinikov as a mechanical engineer analyzed the core movements and then taught them in terms of modern principles of leverage, momentum and the like. Ryabko and Kadochnikov are friends. At one of the first seminars for Americans Ryabko gave, Kadochinikov showed up at the farewell dinner and they both celebrated the Americans' participation. Ryabko learned Systema from his Dad who was one of Stalin's Falcons.

[@bellacasadecor3540]

I wish I could learn this

[@MrPtrGrfn]

The Russian version of George Dillman

[@JeeniusGaming]

1:55 nah come on... i thought systema would be a good system but now as is saw this jedi BS...

[@S.V.23]

I never laughed so hard xD this is Bullshit #1

[@blackwater4044]

Y'all stupids who think they will show real fights

[@theocp]

@ThePopeye90 yes (in my own opinion) E.g. when we learn to punch, u can start by just moving forearms, so the only movement is occurring at the elbow (no hips or shoulders, arm must be independent), then use more of the arm muscles and start to include more body. The purpose is to explore and not limit yourself to a few kind of punches. This will make you familiar with many punches allowing you to choose the best solution for any given situation...

[@TheoGottwald]

You have to undersand that a real master controls the opponent without injuring anybody. AND THIS is what you see here. Such a mastership is also a mastership of life. It doesn't mean he has opend ALL Chakras, but SOME must be opened to reach this level of strength and yet stay a soft person.

[@soldier1stclass987]

wow he can fight, he can hid his strength and fool everyone by making them think he was pretending

[@blackwater4044]

In fact, whoever called systema "bullshido" haven't faced a Spetsnaz or GRU member 1v1.

[@teukurajabaguspratamaputra6077]

Colonel mikhail ryabko know when time strikes operate effectively save power.

[@theocp]

@ThePopeye90 we dont have a stance in systema... becuase in systema we must be able to move in any direction at any time and to flow in rhythm to the situation. As soon as your in a stance this influences your movements greatly by making some easy and some harder to do, another reason we train without stance is u might be in a situation where its best not to display your fighting skills or if your injured

[@user-hp6oe6ys6t]

Excellent movement.

[@darcnu]

He and Dillman, need to hold a seminar, and offer a monetary fight challenge :)

[@lennyhipp]

+darcnu they are both masters of bullshit. they belong in jail for theft by deception.

[@brianholland5447]

@@lennyhipp expose him as a fraud then! I'll gladly tape it for all the world to see! Name a time and place, or shut up you clown!

[@lennyhipp]

Brian you ignorant twat, there are videos all over the internet exposing him. Do a little research pal. Also, common sense debunks this BS, there is ZERO evidence powers such as these exist. the onus of evidence doesn't fall on me my scientifically illiterate friend, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's up to whoever is making the claim to show compelling and testable evidence that it's real. if I made the claim I kept an invisible 10,000 headed dragon in a 1 inch box in my front pocket, using your non-logic it would be up to YOU to prove I didn't? LOLOLOLOLOL. The onus of evidence is ALWAYS on the person making the positive claim dummy.

[@brianholland5447]

@@lennyhipp What a cop out! You won't even go to a seminar, or a class to check it out for yourself! I don't blame you for being skeptical based on the videos, but in all the years I've been doing this, I've never seen someone come in skeptical and leave the same way. Your insecurity is showing big-time!

[@cjr0909]

I don't get how these moves can be so fluid like this, I am reserving my judgement aside. And I am going to try couple classes in Toronto systemma place.

[@TPSTraining]

Hows your views today?

[@dipe9870]

Come on "true founder of systema"!!! What about his mentor Kadochnikov?

[@vratislavmarek7381]

Super..

[@tsuba14]

this is similar to aikido training. the training is to help you understand the principles of movement/contact while at the same time not hurting yourself. it's like kata. you don't learn kata to use kata to fight. you learn kata to absorb principles distilled from combat experience. e.g. founder of aikido took his training and went around challenging other schools, streetfights, etc. and then evolved it further. you gotta walk before you can run. but running is not walking.

[@urbanner]

systema isnt just a combat art, it isnt fighting somebody, its eliminating somebody. The russian army (Spetsnaz) is using systema too. All the attacks and moves are based on how ppl fought in the war centuries ago, its based on the natural movement of the body. It looks like mikhail is doing nothing but his movements are so tiny u cant almost see them.

[@Valentyn90A]

@taiji218 Yes, so Im still right. Kadochnikov found it and made a paperwork for it, wrote books about it etc. Systema itself is just conservative use of our physics laws and mechanics of the movement, so it exists since the beginning of the univerce. But Kadochnikov is the guy who u'd be calling the actual founder. Because he made it formal and simply put it on paper describing stuff.

[@novus310]

RIP Mikhail Ryabko.

[@demiusza]

I'm not insinuating that Systema is rubbish, as I said, it's a good system. I was alluding to the people who seem to lose control of their bodies when punched in the stomach, or are rendered paralyzed after a pat on the back or whatever. There's no physical basis for it whatsoever. People want to believe that their teacher has incredible "powers", so they go along with it. Once again, I think it's a good system, but there's too much "magic" in Ryabko's methods.

[@veter642]

They have different approach in teaching. Systema Ryabko is more natural way to learn without all technical aspect of Kadachnikov Style. Try it yourself and you'll see the difference.

[@ALBILALPEGANOMEUPAU1957]

Goodbye Mikhail Ryabko

[@Hermylolol]

@tungusodessa You should go to a seminar ;)

[@LordMichael77]

very effective practical art and it looks like mikhail has harmony of motion and great control over his inner strength(chi).I could see the buildup of his movements and energy through them and they are quick and fluid which takes a while to learn.A commendable master indeed.

[@laokon]

@weneedaguylikethat i agree with that, especially with the part that weightlifting can and mostly is explosiv. i often loose in dash training to a powerlifter friend of mine on 40yards, even if i get him on longer runs.

[@valgorlin]

I wish I could agree with you. but I was once one of them who was flung around,and by a student no less!!!! I was thrown like I was in judo but what it was was my tension used against me!!!!!

[@np5246]

Damn, I think it's crazy how many individuals take this seriously. I guess we need another "MMA Champion vs. KIAI Master" type of video being posted.

[@brianholland5447]

MMA guys who have trained with Vlad or Mikhail will tell you otherwise. This is not for sport!

[@brianholland5447]

@tronald dump For whatever the situation calls for.

[@brianholland5447]

@tronald dump Challenge any one of them! You tube it! Put up or shut up!

[@brianholland5447]

@tronald dump Sure you did! Footage please? And stop making excuses! Most Systema schools don't teach people until they are at least 16 or so. I want to see you challenge an instructor. I'd be happy to accommodate you, or find someone in your area. Otherwise, i don't believe a word your saying, and I can show you MMA guys who've actually trained with us. They became convinced that they didn't know as much as they thought they knew. I'll just put it that way...

[@brianholland5447]

@tronald dump sure.

[@dxrevelations5111]

kiai master

[@theocp]

@ThePopeye90 we do alot of ground work exercises as well as partner work to make you more comfortable in that sense of fighting. Remember most martial arts are trying to achieve similar results, its the training thats different. Breathing is very important, every movement you do requires oxygen, and being able to efficiently breathe, as well as relax unneeded tension i very important. do 15 pushups with breathing, then 15 without... and you will see the impact breathing has

[@TheoGottwald]

Great Video, great Artist! He's a real Master of martial art. PS: No,he doesn't need a diet :-)

[@alexandersokolov2945]

Подскажите, на отрезке 1.00 Михаил бросает с помощью скручивания тела, как эти элементы называются?

[@user-dw3ij5wn8e]

Эти элементы называются «цирковое представление»

[@taiji218]

@spartandog1000 Not faked but moderated. It's really tough to show real combat because you end up with too many damaged or dead students. It's hard to teach anything beyond that at that point. When Vasiliev first started teaching in Canada he routinely knocked out his students because that was the way he was taught to teach Systema (by Ryabko) in the military. Vasiliev quickly learned that method doesn't work too well with civilians.

[@gordonames1892]

VLADIMIR, WHEN HE WAS A SENIOR INSTRUCTOR AT AN ELITE SPETNAZ SCHOOL. WHEN PEOPLE WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO KILL, THEY CAME TO SEE VLADIMIR!

[@grzegorzk1177]

Good Hollywood actors. :)))

[@Hefty_Chonkster]

@thecrusader2007 they are excersizes, do you learn moves at full speed? no. Especially when he is first teaching his students.

[@vibefrequency]

I have a third degree in a Korean art that has grappling , throwing, take downs etc, and at times unable to react....believe what you wish but it makes it no less effective........ Systema made me feel utterly helpless

[@scarred10]

I presume you mean hapkido,another pile of horse shite.

[@user-li7pf5hp5h]

каждому свое, но если мастера с японии приезжают это уже многое значит .

[@christopher0223]

nope kadochnikov didn't found it either. Systema existed since the 10th century

[@francesconosotti8422]

Try that with an heavyweight trained boxer as opponent and see what's happen.

[@gordonames1892]

RYABKO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THE BOXER IS GOING TO DO!! I'VE SEEN HIM DRIBBLE GUYS DOWN A BASKETBALL COURT BECAUSE HE COUNTERS WHAT THEY ARE GOINGVTO DO AND THEY ARE STUCK!!

[@kanedgy4562]

@@gordonames1892I HAVE BEEN SEEING YOU ALOT IN SYSTEMA COMMENTS WHATS YOUR OPINION ON HIS SWORD SKILLS AND HAVE YOU SEE HIM FIGHTING MULTIPLE PEOPLE AT ONCE? I AM PUTTING CAPS BECAUSE OF YOUR EYES👍

[@gordonames1892]

@@kanedgy4562 ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO I WAS INVITED TO GO TO RUSSIA TO MEET MICHAEL. DIDNT HAVE THE MONEY AND PASSPORT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. JUST AFTER 911, I MET A COMMAND SGT MGR TO WANTED TO BRING MICHAEL TO FT BRAGG FOR DEMONSTRATIONS. HE WAS RESPONDIBLE FOR BRINGING THE GRACIES TO TRAIN THE ARMY. WHAT MANY PEOPLE DONT REALIZE IS THAT MICHAEL HAS TO GO SLOW OR HED HURT YOU REAL BAD!!!

[@annagavenciakova5123]

I like that he trains and instructs with safety of opponents in mind and watches carefully that they don't get hurt. Also I wonder if there are techniques in systema, that could be used for healing of nervous system, which it seems to use a lot, instead fighting.

[@OberteufelPingu]

As I know, Systema even removes HIV.

[@gordonames1892]

THERE ARE PUNCHES THAT MICHAEL DELIVERS THAT HAVE HEALING EFFECTS.

[@michaelshapiro1543]

Answer appears to be, "Yes".

[@hardXcoreminecraft]

@out5yder i'd be willing to bet that a lot of that is muscle, sure a lot of fat too, but it would allow him to take punches in the gut and keep moving easily.

[@MrVodkaEdits]

Kadochnikov didnt find systema either he made it known, systema was passed in russia from father to son and kadochinkov got captured in WW2 and bated 6 german trained nazis in his 60s then the spetznas made him train soldiers and systema became official , ryabko made his own version of systema because he truly mastered it .

[@Samperor]

Systema reminds me of Aikido.

[@SpellsOfTruth]

Aikido was a martial art created by samurai to fight swordsmen while unarmed, it hasn't been used for its actual purpose since the 1800s in Japan. Systema remaps the neurological brain processes and muscle memory of its practicioners so that they can move in the most perfectly efficient and effective manner regardless of situation or scenario. Every legendary ancient warrior to exist eventually learned how to move in the most perfectly efficient and effective manner after hundreds to thousands of fights to the death. Systema teaches it outright without the need to put your life on the line.

[@wildfeuer]

Circus!

[@evenwicht66]

Mikhail Ryabko is doing better aikido than 99,9% of the complet aikikai. Great master. some of the people who give a reaction should understand that in practice you can only show your skill for 60 or 70 % according to what your trainingpartner can cope with.

[@gordonames1892]

THATS SO RIGHT. THOSE WHO WANT TO GO FULL SPEED, RYABKO WILL ACCOMODATE YOU . BE ADVISED, YOU DO SO AT YOUR OWN PERIL.

[@MySilentAss]

@Samperor totally different

[@mercedesbenz9739]

The commentator said, Mikael is unmatched.. in what? So far I have only seen demonstrations with compliant trainees. Is this truly a martial art, or just exercise?

[@muaythaimarseille3858]

good question. what do you think?

[@gordonames1892]

IVE SEEN AN INTERVIEW OF A FORMER US ARMY PARATROOPER WHO WENT TO RUSSIA TO MEET MICHAEL. WHEN MICHAEL PUNCHED HIM, IT FELT LIKE BEING HIT WITH A 45 CALIBER BULLET!!

[@NYWAORCANZ]

@darkmidert5 Much respect,I agree with you. incredible systema is clearly not for everyone.Well, not the ignorant MMA agro mass anyways

[@diegofnu]

The way i understand this issue is that Alexei founded 'Systema Kadochnikov' while Mikhail founded 'Systema' wich is confusing given that the word is widely used in russian martial arts to describe diferent styles (Ej. Kadochnikov). But those are just marketing names for the west. Russians have been practicing combat skills centuries before Kadochnikov or Ryabko. Its like arguing sombody founded "martial arts". The term is too broad on a russian context.

[@shadjazz]

He is not touching him on some of these strikes?

[@specialj99]

What's with the throws from 1:05 to 1:16? 1:47 is hilarious. And I won't even go on about the no-touch nonsense at the end.

[@evonschtolz]

I want to see any of the Система masters fighting in UFC.

[@SpellsOfTruth]

Any spetsnaz trained systema master fighting at full tilt would one punch kill any pro ufc fighter and the ufc fighter would never see the punch coming. Systema is taught to Russias most elite military groups, the russian military don't f around with fake martial arts and most especially doesn't f around teaching its most elite groups a fake martial art. The fact that the spetsnaz are taught systema is perhaps the greatest possible endorsement that a martial art is legitimate humanly possible. Which sounds more legit, martial arts based around submission in an octagonal cage, or martial arts taught to elite military assassins based around reality in any situation any scenario.

[@joewillson3454]

@@SpellsOfTruth Not exactly true. Most Spetsnaz are dedicating most of their training to weapon use, tactics, and physical conditioning. Not to hand-2-hand combat. SURE, there are some great experts out there, but usually a very few would want to pursue unarmed combat proficiency to such depth. Thus, an Average UFC fighter would easily defeat an average Spetsnaz in a cage match.

[@SpellsOfTruth]

@@joewillson3454 Yea you are right, i found out relatively recently that systema is not actually taught to the spetsnaz just the basics. Mikhail Ryabko was apparently taught by a former bodyguard for Joseph Stalin. Apparently its now taught to very elite Russian GRU military counter intelligence units(aka assassins). What I said about pro ufc fighters being killed in one punch applies to the elite Russian GRU military counter intelligence units(aka assassins), but yes you are right, it probably doesn't apply to spetsnaz.

[@ricadrew]

Do you mean are they faking it? No, they are not. This vid is probably 6 or 7 years old, but I recognize the majority of these guys to be senior instructors. Mikhail wouldn't use an inexperienced practicioner with those throws and that is why it can look staged. Although they don't know exactly what sort of movement he will use, they are well trained to deal with whatever's coming. It's all about human bio-mechanics. In Systema you learn how to properly absorb most any attack.

[@beowulf2100]

Some people don't seem to understand tha in a demonstration a guy falls on purpose to prevent injuries. Every martial artist would do the same even if it's the first time getting thrown by this guy.

[@MARASHKA1]

come and try this bullsit :DD

[@andailea]

bravo maistre

[@PetrifEye]

This is what is referred to in the industry as "Bullshido."

[@evonschtolz]

@franckbenand And what does it have to do with anything presented in the video? I want to see him "perceiving his opponent's intentions" and throwing the invisible strikes while fighting a trained and resisting fighter (i.e. MMA). Otherwise there always will be "what if". and what if he had a knife/a gun/ a tank.

[@Isosyth]

The reason they attack like that is most likely because he was showing the moves to onlookers.

[@DanEraser]

Why do you think not?

[@McBeagleHound]

hes not assuming its just not how things happen, nobody flys round like that after being tapped or slightly pushed otherwise mike tyson would of knocked people out of the stadium

[@sergheigramovici7611]

...разновидность хапкидо в русском стиле... ...в оконцовке ещё и бесконтакт- воздействие на эфирное тело, наверное....

[@TheEpicGamerSubscribe]

Neo braking the rules of the MATRIX

[@imperium3926]

He Is legend but not in way he think.

[@deathstate1]

he would looks so tough with 6 cops with nightsticks busting his head in half.

[@ultimatehammer]

I know a lot of tough guys that swear they are Napoleon!

[@user-uu4jo2cc1u]

Damn but it's real? I can't understand how can he does!

[@egonsabols2801]

Its total.bull crap,for sure,that fatass have staged movements

[@SpellsOfTruth]

Mikhail was a colonel in the spetznas? I thought him and vlad were grunts? I know konstantin komarov was a major, I didn't know Mikhail was a colonel. Was vlad also an officer?

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

From what I seen by mykytagnosis, I think not. Titles and diploma could be bought and faked easily after the fall of Soviet union. Also, Ryabko the founder??? That cant be right.

[@SpellsOfTruth]

​@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 Mykytagnosis has never trained with or experienced Mikhail and he seems to think the no-contact work is the only thing Mikhail does. Type in "dan the wolfman interview with george pogacich" in the search bar then jump to 1:36:26 and george explains how he thought vladimir was the product of the russian military and government, but then vlad told him 'no I was trained by 1 guy'.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

@@SpellsOfTruth really? He seems to partially believe in the no-contact stuff. In my opinion its BS though, but who knows.

[@HA-rn2iu]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 I definitely remember seeing a photo of him in full military gear with other spetsnaz on an airbase. He wasn't slim even then.

[@wickedpissa25]

he's like a camouflaged buddha

[@taiji218]

@Rangermed No-touch relies on exploiting the flinch reflex. It's neither magic nor BS. It takes time to develop your observation skills to do it correctly. I agree there are a lot of "Qi" no-touch BS artists out there but the Systema stuff is different entirely. With a partner, begin a punch to their face. Catch them off guard. Watch them startle and back away. With practice you can exploit this reaction to take them to ground. It's not magic, just practical psychology.

[@scarred10]

It is nothing of the sort, you cannot make someone fall by flinching during a violent attack.The only psychology involved here is fraud.

[@hoshinocrimsonwings]

@darkmidert5 I feel you guys actually, people on the internet say the same about Wing Chun. Many internal side martial arts that develope non-muscular forces are looked down upon by the mass, as they are ignorant. People generally only believe it if they see it with their own eyes.

[@Mihka]

Learn Systema as much as you can with instructor , apply it to ANY SPORT, and you’ll be 2…3 levels up from your privies ability……. Guaranteed ! Systema is very deep and vast, strangely enough....... the Systema=RMA based only on few basic principles.

[@ThePopeye90]

@theocp so lets say im a pro mma fighter and i want to improve or an edge on my striking by adding systema into my martial arts, will that help? if so, how? could i keep training muay thai or boxing stance and technique but use the systema punch system? does adding a stance to systema make it less affective or more effective? and is the graound fighting in systema good enough to handle a wrestler and/or jiu jitsu? if so how does it differ? and how does systema breathing help? plz answer

[@stephenyoutubin4476]

He ain't going hungry thats for sure.

[@kalikaputra]

Hahahahah oh Mand dude you had me shitting myself with that comment

[@wildfeuer]

Circus Clowns!

[@user-vq5pj7sp2g]

Миша, классно научил корчиться подопечных лохов.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

"Master of loife" lmao

[@orlandorodriguez3623]

Russian George foreman, he needs a grill! Lmao

[@valgorlin]

they really had no choice. Plus alot of times people go flying instead of something breaking. Akido doesn't throw with wrist lock. Its the only choice the person has at that angle, broken wrist or fly.

[@gordonames1892]

THATS RIGHT! WHEN MICHAEL PUTS HIS FIST OUT LIKE A STOP SIGN, YOUR MIND TELLS YOU THAT YOU BETTER SLIDE OFFVTO THE SIDE, ILL GET HURT REAL BAD!!

[@JraRProductions]

kadochnikov is a different system. this is systema ryabko.

[@patrickvaljetic3721]

Ok How is it..CROCOP vs this master 🤔

[@armeeez]

it not the Russian expert in fights, he is the Russian clown, I can't understand, where it finds people who believe that he is an instructor in self-defense...

[@gusztavszel472]

0:40...Rybako behinde is Pavel Tsatsouline(RKC Master Instruktor)

[@MrLavandil]

Ну видно же что постановка. Мне со своими скрошенными зубами и переломанными пальцами никогда понятно не будет как люди ведутся на такую туфту.

[@dencheq]

Its not the same systema, they have some identical things. But its not the same

[@rootbeer33]

No disrespect to systema. I'm sure that old fat colonel could probably really kick some ass if he wanted to. He looks very heavy handed & deceptively fast. But those guys were overdoing it just a bit with the acting. Especially that last part.

[@scottdeaussie]

Is this supposed to be real???? Just that theres a lot of flying "untouched bodies" !!!

[@Jonste24]

Haha reminds me of George Dillman.

[@MarcoArsenault]

1:54 come on I've seen the same at church revival I'm not saying the whole style is without merit, looks pretty badass actually but when you put people down without touching them, you're drawing a line I'm not crossing

[@caseberg1000]

It's for demonstration purposes genius

[@gordonames1892]

WHEN YOURE GRAPPLING WITH A PARTNER, AN EXPERIENCED GRAPPLER WILL FEEL WHERE IS OPPONENT IS VULNERABLE. WHAT MICHAEL SENSES WHERE HE IS VULNERABLE AND GOES IN THAT DIRECTION LIKE PULLING AN INVESIBLE STRING@ YOU CAN SEE THIS SAME THING WITH THE FOUNDER OF AIKIDO SENSI URYSIBA!!

[@mackhomie]

this reminds me of that white guy who claimed to have the 'death touch' where he would knock people out with merely a touch - worked on his students flawlessly but the camera crew and news reporter were strangely immune

[@yourredcomrade717]

except with systema its natural so you can punch someone without warning and throw them to the ground, this isnt the 1920s or the karate ring where people say "put up your dukes" and dance ltill you kick, the systema guy will probably catch it, or absorb the blow, then knock you to the ground. can people box on the ground? NO

[@RabWc]

would love to feel that no touch stuff, until then no comment.

[@scientistMUC79]

habe ich schon beim deutschen hauptvertreter....und bleibe nun erst recht bei meiner meinung....hat was mit konditionierung zu tun