The one army this ISN'T GOOD AGAINST

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[@Radorkanass]

'Those of you who have ammo left stop, don't need you shooting at peasants, shoot at their archers' Their archers: 'Peasant bowmen'

[@Kitek94]

"IF you HAVE to, then shoot at the archers"

[@preddes6522]

@Aggressive Tubesock did it offend you?

[@DIEGhostfish]

@Aggressive Tubesock Uh huh, Yeah. Riiiiight.

[@preddes6522]

@Aggressive Tubesock something tells me you aren't a decent person... You're more likely someone who on the surface puts on a virtuous facade to trick people into thinking you're a good person, but in reality you're unprincipled, close minded, duplicitous, and probably somewhat sociopathic. That's my impression from your clear strawman and virtue signalling comment.

[@shuttze]

"it will be difficult to deal with her" literally they have turned her into a hedgehog in 3 seconds

[@watatitamf1598]

What is this? Historic Battle of Agincourt in Total war warhammer?

[@theodosioskantasmd7388]

u mean crecy right? in agincourt the french knights were dismounted

[@jacksmith3148]

God I love how Total War fans are all dumb history nerds just like me

[@DG9-q6f]

@@theodosioskantasmd7388 Funnily enough, I remember reading about knights dismounting (in I think "Cursed Kings", so not a historical source), but when I decided to check on Wikipedia I found no mention of that. The article mentions the cavalry charge being not in full force because, for some reason, the charge started after the initial English volley of arrows. Not too unlike how the battle went in this vid.

[@nguyenanthinh4364]

@@DG9-q6f Historian Tobias Capwell talked about this. French plan was to fight English frontline "on foot", at the same time, attack archers from the flanks with cavalry. The problem was English agents nearly won this battle for Henry, they successfully capture French plan. Henry knew and deployed his force sandwiched between forests. French cavalry came and realized they could not flank English army, but French heavy infantry just said "fuck it" and attack English frontline anyway. So yeah, French lose beacause their command structure was a mess.

[@DG9-q6f]

@@nguyenanthinh4364 Thanks for naming the historian, searching his name yields plenty of material.

[@TheMaxyms]

"The trim to the wall here"

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

CC is the best especially Louen name and Bretonnia = Petunia

[@TheMaxyms]

Quingu89 That Aussie accent having its effect on KZbin translation

[@slein1055]

I think the Wulfhart campaign might have made legend stronger with archer cheese

[@mandu6665]

Oh, he had tons of practice with High Elves already lol

[@yungmalaria]

Lets be honest, 90% of this games cheese involves a ranged or ranged hybrid unit

[@yunikage]

@@yungmalaria *cries in vampire count*

[@angquangtruong360]

well no, Wulfhart enemies got some shit ton of buff in weapon strength and unbreakable if they reached a certain level of hostilities, so playing him is a ballache

[@MihaiViteazul100]

The recent sale and ongoing quarantine will be great for views, I imagine. Been waiting ages to buy Warhammer II. Lowest settings on my junky laptop and loading screens take a million years, but I'm still having a great time with it.

[@slein1055]

Do most characters on low settings also not have a face in your game?

[@rodrigoastinzatostado9766]

Same here, I'm loving it c:

[@Zooasaurus]

Same here. Loading screens took like 15 minutes or more even with low settings but i'm really loving it

[@felipewerner6670]

same my man, hope you are safe, cheers...

[@thegreatskinkpriest8104]

Wow that’s cool, I didn’t realize people were still just getting into it.

[@sumongsouske8644]

Feeling cheesy.... Might save a disaster battle, idk - Legend

[@enochianwolf]

repanse can take a beating from those wood elfs alright

[@shanemczane6725]

hehe, WOOD elves

[@christiandauz3742]

I wish there was an option that forces players to stick to the lore Bretonnia not only can't attack Wood Elves but pay population and gold tribute to them Skaven can form an unbreakable alliance with Chaos Chaos corruption grows much faster and is harder to remove Chaos Warriors replenish health, vigour and leadership when in combat Forsaken should have large splash damage and crazy regeneration

[@nguyenanthinh4364]

@@christiandauz3742 Force player into the lore is the last thing i want from Total War. Playing a political and diplomantic game is way more fun than fighting the same enemy, helping the same allies every single time you play one faction.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@nguyenanthinh4364 Like I said before it is an option that you select at the start of the campaign There should be big reprecussions if Chaos/Skaven ever occupied or raze certain cities Praag should always have a little bit of Chaos corruption Morghul should have his own subfaction and can recruit Lesser Daemons Sigvald can recruit Slaaneshi Daemons Archaon can recruit Traitor Empire troops Kholek should have a bonus to campaign movement speed

[@kathleendelcourt8136]

@@nguyenanthinh4364 It could be an option you can select at the beginning of a campaign.

[@ymca3735]

This video is very helpful. Thank you, the trim to the wall

[@Kitties_are_pretty]

Welcome to the world of cheese. Just know that there's cheese that nerds will yell at you for (save scumming) and cheese that nerds have a boner for (line camping), so never let nerds know about the other cheese, it upsets them a lot. Or if you do let them know, be prepared to see a thousand anime avatars telling you the way you play the game isn't fun and you're playing a video game you purchased wrong in the privacy of your own home while not bothering anyone and that's horrible.

[@noogai3212]

Way watchers tend to focus fire on a single entity when firing whilst moving, as opposed to when standing still where they'll spread out the fire to other entities per unit from my experiences.

[@shimmereyes8984]

Legend in his element. Lots of archers for the win

[@TheNetherlandDwarf]

2:20 we going rome 2 boys manipular wood elf formations lets goo

[@helikos1]

Now this is the only time "Underrated comment" is applicable.

[@generalharness8266]

Hello legend, I have found that using ranged unit to target single entity units fine as long as the enemy is running in a straight line on level ground, The prediction works fine for that, once a single entity ends up in melee you cannot target them very well. Also the unit that does the most friendly fire (at lest for me) are sisters of averlorn, not skaven..

[@robertasvaicius4437]

The sisters must have read the wrong targeting manual, the 'skaven manual on how to shoot moving thing-things' the manual never specified if the moving thing-things are allies or not.

[@drlombar]

Does checkerboard formation works as well with shades? Fought against huge lizardman army full of monster units and got pretty bad victory, couple of units lost and others got super damaged

[@SegaMegaLoh]

Дай им водки братан:D

[@dmitriyk.2890]

It may be good against this type of an army. It's more about the situatuion, not a unit you are using.

[@drlombar]

@@SegaMegaLoh карнозаврам и стегадонам? Они и трезвые рвут друхиев)

[@Berethgor]

It depends, if the monsters are faster than your shades then this is the way to go. If they are slower then skirmishing might work.

[@drlombar]

@@Berethgor thx a lot mate

[@slein1055]

Should've picked Clan Skryre instead, they never run out of ammo

[@tomaszlosinski875]

So you're master plan to solve this battle is to play as a different faction. I can't believe he didn't think of that

[@him4real262]

Are you special

[@robertasvaicius4437]

This is the pinnacle of skaven logic..

[@Saber721]

'The trim to the wall here' The captions are working real well today I see

[@lafiki999]

The trim to the wall here

[@MisfitManiacJoe]

Paused the "hub" for this Legend, it better be a good battle!

[@MEGABUMSTENCH]

:D :D :D

[@nvidiaplay]

sadly its not

[@dontmindme.justaguy]

You sir, are far stronger than I.

[@jakemocci3953]

This is why I never play wood elves, you always run out of ammo by the second army, let alone the third.

[@theStamax]

So like any range focused faction/army then^^ (besides maybe skryre). Might wanna give them a shot in sfo. They have a much bigger endgame army variety there (range, melee (which is actually viable ... actually 2 variants are viable), cav, monsters).

[@the_last_blue_shiba]

Skaven Mode button

[@HardlyGaming]

If you have ally units waiting to come in and your ranged units have used all there ammo, just get them near the edge of the board and flee them off. Same with damaged units.

[@kdhlkjhdlk]

Actually there is one way to fix reliability. Kill the faction you were unreliable to makes it come back faster.

[@Polored1066]

Repanse: one volley and i'm die

[@Kamidon74]

Thanks Legend, great video as usual.

[@senshibat8920]

Wood elfs on desert Vacay- [translates german[ Ore big Mistake. or Ein großer Fehler

[@Killcrazy]

Funny to see how more and more of these disaster campaigns are using the same army types LoTW would use himself, although usually missing the heroes it seems. The ways of the cheese are definitely catching on!

[@theStamax]

Waywatcher spam isn't really cheesy^^. Waywatchers just don't work well with any another unit in the we roster besides heroes and MAYBE wardancers. (hence why my we doom stacks only have 10 waywatchers, 4 wardancers and 6 heroes).

[@montsaint-michel9443]

Its kinda funny that you have to defend and can't retreat for a settlement not worthy to defend.

[@ServantofBaal]

Whatever noob was playing as wood elves here shouldn't be taking so many settlements to begin with. You only want settlements outside of Athel Loren for 2 reasons; trade and replenishment. You want to take some lands west of Athel Loren for access to the sea so you can trade, and you want to take settlements when you're far from home and need to heal up your armies. Other than that, it's a waste to try and hold settlements. Ally with the locals, raze everything in their path, and use them as a buffer state/amber source. Wood Elves are the ultimate murder hobos, don't pin them down trying to defend settlements

[@helikos1]

@@ServantofBaal It's obvious the player is a noob, why would you ever have an army composition of 4 melee units and the rest waywatchers? I've only played WE in their story campaign, used mixed wardancers for battle line. In every warhammer game none of my armies are exactly alike. I do not understand why you ever spam an army of predominately one unit, unless you like cheesy doomstacks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@ServantofBaal]

@@helikos1 There's a general rule about ranged troops to begin with; never bring more than you can protect with ease. Only three or four pure ranged troops at maximum, any others should be mounted, stealth, or hybrid fighters so they possess some manner to keep themselves out of trouble. He should have replaced the majority of those with hammer and anvil units and mounted archers. Shows the lack of understanding he has, especially with WE

[@helikos1]

@@ServantofBaal Exactly. Total war games aren't difficult to pick up once you've played a few. There's been times I've had great armies for campaign but if that same army went against a competent thinking human the weaknesses are easily exploitable. I love proper phalanx units in the rome series, the ai doesn't use their missiles effectively to kill them, or flank properly. WE are my favourite elven race in warhammer because of my playthrough of their story campaign. Lore is cool too.

[@Witch_King]

I have learned that there is no difference between my Black court and Order faction diplomacy. Cause in every campaign there is always war between Order factions.

[@grantpaterson1016]

Reminds me of the formaton someone used with Dwarves in your invite campaign...

[@michelbrand1470]

Why didn't you use the dragon's breath?

[@nathanmeulensteen339]

arch-tillery only?

[@MrBones-td6qn]

This looks like a disaster campaign in the making, lmao

[@panzerspahwagen527]

i would have used the dragon to deal more damage to louen, and only use like three or four of the archers to deal some extra damage to him, save ammo.

[@Charlys787]

And how would you prevent your dragon, which is a larger target then Louen, getting hit by your own arrows?

[@Charlys787]

I don't get it how people play legendary and not have mages in their main army. Too much micro maybe? Build slots blocked by civil buildings? No, I don't get it!

[@tigranghukasyan5616]

Legend, give us more wood elves content! Like you can do a detailed waywatchers and sisters of avelorn comparison

[@thehistorians5231]

waywatchers are better though they are THE best archer unit in the game

[@theStamax]

@@thehistorians5231 eh they are two very different types of archers and the reason both are great is different. Straight up dps and range-wise waywatchers are far superior, but sisters work much better if you have some units in melee (they have way less friendly fire than waywatchers) + they are cheaper. So both have their merits really and are well suited to their respective faction. (I'm a we main btw) I wouldn't therefor say waywatchers are necessarily "better" in an overall context.

[@thehistorians5231]

@@theStamax they can outrun cav the ROR has a smoke bomb built in they have received 6 different nerfs over the past 3 years and STILL are this good they are a meta-defining unit for the wood elves remove waywatchers and wood elves go from viable to meme-tier in a flash they alone are the REASON why wood elf kite builds are feared by all where as you remove sisters from the high elves and "Meh" they still have dragons phoenixes and other scary units also waywatchers have stalk and are in a loose formation so good luck counter skirmishing them where as 1 good mortar shot in to the center of a unit of sisters "who dont have stalk and only have 40 armour" will nuke like half HP off of them im sorry but your gonna have to come again dont get me wrong sisters "both the high elf and dark elf ones" are amazing units but to say SOA are as good as waywatchers is a LIE like the only ranged infantry that comes close to being as meta defining as waywatchers are warplock jezzails and that is it waywatchers simply have so many more strengths going for them as while sisters are a very good archer unit they have so many counters "low armour and tight formation are NOT a good combo for a expensive archer unit" unless they have something like stalk to help negate that

[@theStamax]

@@thehistorians5231 as I've stated previously. They are stronger archers if you just look at them combat stat-wise and the roles they can fill. However in the grand scheme of things saying they are better than sisters isn't necessarily true. Because Sisters are cheaper and work better for the he roster (reason legend put them higher on his list as well). Waywatchers are the superior unit, but there are strengths sisters have that Waywatchers simply don't. You can field 2-3 sister stacks for every waywatcher stack (Especially considering the stronger he economy) + they are better at sieging if you add like 2 eagle claw bolt thrower. About the roster. This speaks more about the weakness of the WE roster than about the relative value of the two types of archers. I mostly play sfo though and we have significantly more interesting options there so maybe I'm spoiled. Also some of your points seem to indicate pvp. I can't say anything about that since I lack the necessary experience. My points were strictly about pve value.

[@thehistorians5231]

@@theStamax waywatchers and sisters both cost the exact same "1100" so idk what you are getting at with fielding 3x the number of sisters fro the same price as for the multiplayer point yes obviously im talking about multiplayer all units are designed and balanced around multiplayer so when talking unit BALANCE you mostly refer to it for multiplayer as thats where the real unit balance factors come to play as campaign is just....spam 19x of whatever the rosters best unit is and just steamroll the ai

[@fareastslav]

whats the unit scale? 45 archers per unit seems not much

[@ServantofBaal]

They're the waywatchers, that's their normal amount. They're the Asrai elite unit, comparable to Sisters of Avelorn

[@thehistorians5231]

45 is the standard waywatcher model there a low model count archer

[@n0t_kgb253]

Good Video

[@xa3362]

4 waywatchers and orion, 5 nets, all with +range/damage trait, 90dmg 300range waystalkers, ez

[@Raptor747]

Isn't this army also bad against armies with plenty of good anti-infantry artillery and enough infantry to at least hold back the Waywatchers for long enough? Like an Empire army with shielded melee units and plenty of Helstorm Rocket Batteries? Or Dwarf armies with organ guns and enough dwarf warriors/longbeards to hold the line until then? Also: warplock jezzails+plagueclaw catapults would be a huge pain for this army.

[@theStamax]

The issue is that waywatchers stalk and have insane range with heroes (310 is pretty easy to get). So they can basically neutralize any artillery the enemy has before they even see a single waywatcher. That, or you just use magic to take out artillery (which I do sometimes, if the situation demands it). So neither one of these armies are particularly hard to beat (in fact you can beat both of these types with 0 casualties if you know how to play we well). Or you could just waste the ammo if you are on the attack of course. Heavy cav armies that come at you are probably the most difficult type to deal with, but the player here had a really bad setup as well. Instead of the melee units having 2 mages and 2 waystalker would have made this fight significantly easier (3 nets including lord + healing and shadow or beasts probably).

[@Tentacl]

Hey Legend. You asked in another video if we want small and medium unit scale videos. I would really like a balance comparison with units that are worth their maintenance cost for campaign comparing large and ultra (because I'm personally not capable to compare, just happen to know the largest the unit scale, less efficient magic and artillety is).

[@mikestafford6900]

can you use a checkerboard formation with clan skryre?

[@kenny3179]

What kind of enemy is strong enough to reach you though other than rite of primeval glory armies nothing reaches you

[@mikestafford6900]

@@kenny3179 I just started my first ikit campaign. I own estalia/tilea at turn 25ish. Wood Elves declared war on me and Carcassonne probably will soon. Clan Angrund and Karak Norn own the vaults...not sure whether to go north, east or south next

[@kenny3179]

@@mikestafford6900 in my clan skryr campaign I took estalia and tiles then sartosa and after that clan angrund for the spicy landmark but most of brettonia liked me since I kept fighting wood elves who are always a pain, though poison wind mortars are awesome against them. In the end just try to smash as much of the order tide as you can especially the empire

[@mikestafford6900]

@@kenny3179 so...go north? Lol thanks man. Especially the tip about poison mortars

[@kenny3179]

@@mikestafford6900 have fun skryr is op 👍

[@codexplays5815]

Imagine playing this on legendary xD

[@TheArchaos]

Ah well, I was hoping for some proper AI cheese armies but sadly it was not meant to be. Would've been more interesting to see Legend squirm a bit when facing some proper cheese AI.

[@alfonsocyrusjoshua9551]

cheese armies do exist but do so rarely i only saw cheese armies onnturn 400 with a random lord(prince) on a dragon having a wizard (high) and 17 sisters and 1 eagleclaw

[@euromanijak]

yeaaaah thats why i hate fucking brettonia AI is just good with managing lots of cavalry

[@Suedocode]

4:45 This just in: LegendofTotalCheese says cheese is best tactic.

[@theupperechelon7634]

You can win a short campaign victory with the WE in around 100 turns if your diplomacy game is strong. Just saying.

[@Dremons7]

Agincourt 2.0

[@nguyenanthinh4364]

Nice reference. But in Agincourt, melee phase is decisive phase, not the shooting. Similar to Verneuil.

[@Raptor747]

I feel like this doomstack would be greatly improved if it traded 2-3 Waywatchers for Treemen, due to the issue of running out of ammo. Maybe trade another Waywatcher for a Lifesinger to keep said Treemen healed (and to also have magic as additional "ammo", especially against low-armor melee infantry that you don't want to waste precious ammo on, since Awakening of the Wood is actually really effective against low-armor units, given its low Magic cost).

[@theStamax]

Treemen generally aren't great in waywatcher stacks because of their size and getting wrecked by friendly fire. They are also extremely slow. Personally I go with heavy hero spam in ranged centric we armies. I play sfo, but the general weakness of waywatcher is the same in both the modded and unmodded version. My "doomstack" is usually lord, 2 mages, 2 waystalker, 1 shadowdancer (sfo hero, could be branchwraith), 10 waywatcher, 4 wardancer (since they are also really fast, trade well in melee and can take a bit of friendly fire ... they also have better variants in sfo with armor piercing damage).

[@Marcomarvoc]

what the fuck kind of economy is that

[@lostcause78]

I'm a noob. Is there actually a mode for skaven that they don't care about friendly fire? Because I find I struggle to get my weapons teams to fire into the melee while the meat shields are fighting.

[@milquetoast5968]

lostcause78 you could just hold alt, then I believe it turns a lot of ranged into firing at a specific area

[@Coeurebene1]

why do so many people do stacks of the same unit? I get you can get advantage of some buffs like this, but it's so boring and lacks flexibility (unless that thing is a stegadon...).

[@SolusLupi]

The difficulty buffs AI gets at legendary and to a lesser extent very hard. The doomstacks are really the only viable way to not just survive but push back the multi armies the ai will throw at the player since their basic line infantry performs equal to player top tier infantry. The doomstacks are all about maximum ability to wipe out ai armies with minimal damage taken in return so that the next ai stack and the next can also be handled. I absolutely agree it's really sad that is what the game devolves into but thats how 'Difficulty' was made in this game, not getting out planned and strated as one would want from a strat game but getting swamped by the A.I getting what amounts to an easy button to pass on income, troops costs, and even trash unit drawbacks. As Legend has said before you don't play high difficulty to have fun it's for bragging rights and so rather than fun army builds what is used is mono troops with maximum efficiency.

[@CptMacTavish-sg7hj]

Depends on the faction really. But I find with Dwarfs that a balanced army is OK

[@kroxigordundee7767]

Easier to micro especially with archer basically in 1v1 you can just AFK (plus for example a waywatcher spam won't get damaged and can take 5 armies out if you ligthning strike). Plus the AI tends to prioritize some kinds of units (for example as HE if you get PG to protect your archers the AI will focus them making them get wiped out and slow your pace due to replenishment while if you spam 1 unit the damage is usually more spread out)

[@danielfraiz74]

@@CptMacTavish-sg7hj that's true, with dwarves you need a bit of everything, some ironbreakers to hold, some hammerers if you want to have a winning side, some thunderers for the ranged damage, even some quarrelers or explorers to do some anti archer stuff, then some mixed artillery and even though everybody says that they're bad, I like to have 2 bombers. They're pretty good against single entity monsters

[@MrVeps1]

Because on the higher difficulties your melee units are armed with nerf bats and clad in armour of the finest cheese cloth. I think I saw to of the exact same melee units fight each other in a video, once, and the player controlled one lost people three times as fast. Archer spam is also just about the most economic stack you can have, since they replenish all their ammo between battles, unlike melee units which spends lives to do damage to the enemy. If the AI opponents didn't need all those cheats, it would be a very different game, but it's not really possible to make an AI opponent as adaptive and creative as a human being.

[@oogabooga6062]

Yankee w no brim

[@wertzui19871229]

6:13 BiG Of A dIlDo????

[@williambriggs9990]

Did he just call them weight watches near the end??

[@HoneyBadger1779]

I don't get playing on the harder settings in games like this. All it does is cheat to give the AI invisible bonuses........ If it actually made the AI use tactics and strategy, sure. But it doesn't. It just lets them cheat more then they already do.

[@Berethgor]

In my case its so that I actually have a reason to play the battles. On normal I can just auto resolve everything.

[@HoneyBadger1779]

@@Berethgor I mean I guess you can choose to auto resolve The way the game calculates battle power and does the auto resolve it has no idea what it's talking about , So you can usually cheese it and win Or you can just use the tactic from Medieval II .....You quick save before the battle you fight it yourself for the fun and the challenge and then you reload and auto resolve it to take less losses Fighting the battles is part of the games fun..... At least in my opinion

[@mar0z]

O:

[@helikos1]

I refuse to download the free dlc for de lyonesse because she's a portrayal of Joan of Arc.

[@Paul-zt3dw]

First, just in time for breakfast!

[@decp6601]

Ok and

[@kreliann]

IMHO using the "control large army" toggle depending on how favourable it is for each battle, is kinda exploity... one should just decide at the start of the campaign which one is going to be, and stick with it. Otherwise, it is just as valid as reloading bad battles as stuff like that. Its in the program, but dont abuse it.

[@superhond1733]

36 minutes

[@filippofornaciari3855]

I dont know, this wasnt a hard battle at all. The second bretonnian army was just pure garbage, easy to deal with even in melee. I've seen much better battles from you Legend :)