LEGO 51515 Mindstorms vs. 45678 Spike Prime - unboxing, concept and first builds

[@Unbrickme]

Just letting you know, the new MINDSTORMS hub is 100% compatible with powered up motors! I’ve tested it and it works! I think I’ll be ripping out the control+ hub from all my control+ technic models, and I’ll replace it with the spike prime hub! I really wanna be able to make robots out of my technic sets and code them on an advanced level with python!

[@McKrushi]

try pybricks.

[@Unbrickme]

Tasse Tee nah man, the hub still won’t have a display. Plus I’d much rather use the mindstorms hub and programming than pybricks. New hub also has 6 ports unlike 4, so I can add more sensors

[@McKrushi]

@@Unbrickme Yes, all I wanted to say is: You can program other hubs with python if you use pybricks. And if you want to build larger robots: Not every action has to be controlled by a central "brain hub". You can add multiple autonomous extensions with their own sensor-input and without any communication between the hubs :)

[@Unbrickme]

Tasse Tee you’re right, but I’d rather use the spike prime hub. Two PU hubs would be more difficult to install than one spike prime hub

[@tuankiettran8811]

@@Unbrickme beta?

[@TechnicBrickPower]

I have been a Lego Technic fan for a long time now, but I think I need to look at mindstorms a lot better! Opens up so many more possibilities. 😀

[@dinhtuan752]

I'm not sure

[@Ziontastic]

The review i have been waiting for!

[@pensactius]

To me it looks like Lego is getting more and more just a money grabber. I liked much more the first editions of Lego Mindstorms from the 00s. They were ~200 bucks and were geared to a more experienced (adult) people. They offered much more possibilites from a developer's point of view. I remember the third party programming languages like NXC and NQC, which boosted the limited capabilities of the simple bricks. I understand the goal now is to get to young kids into learning robotics, but seriously 400$ for a "toy" for a 10 year old kid? Seems too much to me. Not to mention in a classroom, 4000$ bucks to teach robotics to kids it's a lot of money for many schools (at least here in Spain). Also, they seem to shorten the life span of their new line of products and cut too many expenses (I really miss the outstanding printed manuals from the 90s-00s era!)

[@Project818Russia]

thank you for the very good review! ;)

[@sofiyaarminlego2869]

We ve got Lego educational sets at school as well, but this one looks very exciting!

[@gamingz5245]

Lucky

[@Unbrickme]

my school never had lego robotics unfortunately. Despite mindstorms being used by some of the greatest minds of the world, my 7th grade robotics teacher said "EV3 is just for elementary school kids" I completely disagree with that statement. We ended up using linkbots, which are honestly a joke compared to lego mindstorms! You couldn't make segways, you couldn't make advanced gearboxes and mechanisms, you couldn't do anything fun with those awful linkbots

[@quabiloyoink]

@@Unbrickme dude that sucks

[@candycorn5092]

@@Unbrickme we don’t even do bots. But we do coding, Kodu by Microsoft but that’s it.

[@anton2699]

Awesome review as per usual Will be getting the MS kits

[@BrickYourDream]

Have been Waiting for this video

[@BenHeffernan337]

Will you be getting it?

[@BrickYourDream]

@@BenHeffernan337 yes payday around the corner :)

[@Chris.Mechanic]

Why Spike Prime didn't get Dark Mode? Finally, after Mindstorms 1/2 and EV3, LEGO makes the software on their own. It is big step forward, but they have long trip still ahead...

[@emiliskog]

judging from previous mindstorms sets I've had, in the rcx there where three I think builds in the instruction with extra digital robot instructions and in nxt only one bot had physical instructions the rest where only digital so the fact that all instructions are digital this time isn't that weird

[@Simozim]

I have the SPIKE prime lego and I tried to make it work with the dedicated mindstorm 51515 app for IOS, the SPIKE works and is compatible, there are more remote control functions that I hope they will implement in the software for SPIKE prime ...

[@dinhtuan752]

no answer

[@Ben-Camilleri]

Can you review the Cada Rx7?

[@morape82]

Hi. Is there anything new in this field? I have some lego Technic sets and I think this is the next step.

[@RacingBrick]

Nothing new. You can still buy the Spike Prime set on lego.com, but the corresponding software and lessons are meant to be used in a classroom environment

[@morape82]

@@RacingBrick thanks! My son loves it!

[@LandOfLotMemes]

i dont knows nothing about coding (maybe some in js) and building so people tell me to start with lego spike essential, is IT good for start or something else

[@aplicarciencias]

Thanks for your full review. I appreciate it.

[@boro057]

Did Lego break the ability to use a mindstorms hub with the spike prime app? I thought that was possible, but now the update fails.

[@stijnlenting]

Please let me know when it works again. I want to buy the mindstorms but its gonna be discontinued and the app too. I want to know if its still compatible with the spike prime app

[@MolecularAlchemist]

Amazing comparison, learned so much from it! Keep it coming please.

[@infinateking1240]

Can you male a video of your coding for the stig rally car because im haveing trouble coding it with the new customizable joystick thank you

[@RacingBrick]

You can see the code in this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZSWhId3iZmspJY

[@infinateking1240]

@@RacingBrick thanks but I also have another question/idea. Could you make a video about how you could make the stig rally car faster and look better. And make things on the bottom to make it go off road Thanks again

[@skyayear2268]

Can u buy Lego spike in store?

[@tompratt8551]

i wish they put a screen on the hub like the EV3

[@letsstudy3579]

Is it good for engineering students or younger students

[@ashtons5376]

my set is arriving Saturday.

[@tibacsaba7592]

Does a mindstorm hub work on the spike coding interface?

[@rahaf6820]

Will what should i buy for 14 years old as a very first step in learn about coding?

[@benstarr1185]

At 5:16 there was a comment 'acces to 3rd party hardware...' where can i find out more about this featue? On inspection I cant see this connector. Any info is apreciated.

[@RacingBrick]

You need to unscrew the 2 screws on the back, there's an 8 pin female connector under the cover. It is described in the data sheet of the sensor - le-www-live-s.legocdn.com/sc/media/files/support/spike-prime/techspecs_technicdistancesensor-0c8e0242c7a21506a56240e73092ed93.pdf

[@benstarr1185]

@@RacingBrick thankyou i will definitely be looking into this.

[@Unbrickme]

By any chance, do you know what is both the running torque and stall torque of the powered up medium motor, the Powered up L motor, and the powered up XL motor, measured in Ncm?

[@RacingBrick]

Lol by any chance no :) But you can always check the excellent motor comparison chart made by Philo, if some data is available it will be there - www.philohome.com/motors/motorcomp.htm

[@Unbrickme]

RacingBrick thank you very much

[@dinhtuan752]

:)

[@haoyuzhang4626]

When I got the robot inventor app,there was a tutorial.on the app tutorial,it said get started on it😮😮😮

[@shawnm355]

im pritty shure you cant wirelesly update the school one because they dont want kids updateing it without the teachers knolage

[@ianchen4998]

the description has a typo. also: the sets are really cool but I like power functions' stackable plugs. do the adapters work here?

[@RacingBrick]

Yes the adapter works, but with that you loose a lot of interactive functions. I only see it useful in some rare scenarios, e.g. stacking lights to be controlled from a single output.

[@connormurray445]

Well now I have to start debate if I should get it.

[@fudeldideldu]

Spike Prime update on PC with a cable is for teachers and probably 16+ Hubs easier. Instead of connecting and sorting all the hubs on a phone or tablet. Think of all the 16+ randomly numbered hubs in your android/ios Bluetooth manager.

[@jjsherman]

Have you noticed the Mindstorms app doesn't currently support the touch/force sensor?

[@Unbrickme]

John Sherman yes but you can use the force sensor in the python code of the MINDSTORMS app

[@RacingBrick]

It's not very surprising as it is not included in the package. I'm sure there's a lot of hardware that is compatible but not supported initially, like the Powered Up light for example.

[@Unbrickme]

Love made in Japan actually it does fully support the regular powered up motors

[@MegaMike1]

Hey is it worth the extra 20 dollars to get the Mindstorms set over spike prime?

[@RacingBrick]

Did you watch the video?

[@MegaMike1]

@@RacingBrick There's like an expansion set for spike prime

[@RacingBrick]

@@MegaMike1 yes there is

[@MegaMike1]

@@RacingBrick Is it worth the extra.100 dollars?

[@dylanraubenheimer346]

Can you put the 51515 hub firmware on the 45678 hub for Bluetooth controll?

[@RacingBrick]

yes, but you'll need to use the other app in this case

[@dylanraubenheimer346]

@@RacingBrick so then you just pair the 45678 hub and use it in the mindstorms (51515) app?

[@yogesh234rathod]

Ok so did I make a mistake by ordering a robot inventor for my niece (10 yrs old)? I was confused between EV3 and robot inventor and spike prime.

[@RacingBrick]

I don't think that's a mistake. EV3 will be phased out I think and Spike Prime is for classroom usage.

[@samunemeth]

Nagyon jó lett!

[@robotixlab]

Hey ho! What is your opinion on using the Robot Inventor for education in a makerspace (not school with tight schedule)? I prefer the more complex models you can build with the parts of the Inventor. The spike prime models are quite simple to be able to build fast and the joy of building is missed... The inventor can use the firmware and software for spike right? Price wise is also better. I only need to sort the storage problem. Any ideas? Thanks!

[@RacingBrick]

You can flash the firmware from one to the other and use the corresponding app. I think 51515 can be used for the purpose you described, although you'll need to explain more about coding as the app doesn't provide much information. Or it should work with kids who are familiar with the basics.

[@jellevanderlinde6617]

I have the 51515 set: thx for your video. I have the same remarks as you made: sorting tray, tooltips, no introduction etc. I have a question: can I use the spike app also or does it not work or ruin the use of the mindstorm app ?

[@RacingBrick]

You can update the firmware of the hub to the Mindstorms / Spike Prime variant by connecting it to the respective app and use it with that going forward.

[@gamernikan]

im getting spime prime for my birthday and its in 3 days

[@Bushong182]

I wish I had one of these

[@ShrekBigscary]

good video keep up the good work!

[@mplegotechnic]

Can the new hub be controlled via Powered up app?

[@RacingBrick]

Not yet

[@dinhtuan752]

4.0 version coming soon.

[@spaceboss4646]

Hello! I wanted to ask if the big engine is compatible from education recruitment to hub of 51515 and pressure sensor to hub of 51515? Thank you.

[@RacingBrick]

Which big engine exactly?

[@spaceboss4646]

@@RacingBrick of Spike Prime

[@RacingBrick]

@@spaceboss4646 the motor works, the sensor does not have a corresponding block yet if I remember correctly

[@spaceboss4646]

@@RacingBrick Thank you

[@osmanpasha_diy]

Thanks for the review! Is the Mindstorms angular motor same as in SPIKE or as in Volvo? Or does it have a third different ID?

[@RacingBrick]

The Mindstorms set has a Medium angular motor, the Volvo has the large one. It is different from the Spike Prime variant in color, so I'm sure it has a different ID as well.

[@osmanpasha_diy]

@@RacingBrick ah, I thought all of them have the large one.

[@shivammathur1583]

Hey wanted to ask which kit is more harder to build and more complex. I am a grade 9 student and have had 2 EV3s the 31313 and the education one as well. Which is more advanced because I actually use it to build prototypes for rovers and NASA projects. Thanks

[@RacingBrick]

I don't think one is more harder to build than the other. Spike Prime might have moe builds and tasks but they are probably more simple as they have to fit in a classroom schedule. All instructions are available online so you can check them yourself and decide.

[@shivammathur1583]

@@RacingBrick like my main question is which kit has more parts. I observed that the 31313 had some more parts then the education set (EV3)

[@RacingBrick]

You can check the part list on Bricklink or rebrickable, you can even compare them on the latter

[@emile_best]

If I have EV3 do I need to buy the mindstorm, is there a big cap between both or will it be better to buy spike prime?

[@Unbrickme]

emile _best MINDSTORMS is better

[@gamemasterksdude280]

I’d say that after having the set that EV3 is for more experienced users but the new Mindstorms set is for more beginner users. Although the new system does have a lot of benefits like being able to use the powered up motors with it. But there isn’t that big of a gap between the EV3 and the new Mindstorms set. Many of the same things can be accomplished but the new Mindstorms set does have some nice additions like better shaped motors that are easier to fit in. As for Spike Prime or Mindstorms, they are essentially the same thing but Spike for the education market whereas Mindstorms is for home use.

[@Unbrickme]

Gamemasterks Dude nah man EV3 is just 2013 outdated technology. Same thing as using the iPhone 5s in 2020. The new system is much, much better than the god awful EV3, and I’m saying this is a relatively advanced user, having used RobotC, NXC, and python before!

[@gamemasterksdude280]

@@Unbrickme Why was the EV3 so bad. My only complaints were that the motors were weirdly shaped and that the program is 32 bit. From my experience I never thought the hub was too slow or anything.

[@Unbrickme]

Gamemasterks Dude don’t you think that the god awful start up and shut down time was too slow? It was literally slower than my work computer. This was a major downgrade from the NXT system, which only took like 3 seconds to power on! The ev3 kit’s robots also came with pre written code, with many of the blocks being like “my blocks” and this doesn’t teach you to program at all! NXT, however, has guided programming, which took you through each step of programming! It was awesome, and it was actually how I learned to code when I was just 7 years old

[@sicantreis]

With the previous two generations of mindstorm - NXT and EV3, you could buy the commercial version and a Lego Education version. The differences were very similar to the Spike Prime (in fancy plastic bin) vs Mindstorms (51515 in cardboard box). I would be surprised if LEGO didn't release the new mindstorms (51515) in a education set eventually. These sets are usually a bit more expensive, EV3 education is ~$440 vs. Commercial is ~$345. This difference in price is typically based on slightly better assortment of parts in the education version and also comes with a rechargeable battery pack, not to mention the excellent plastic bin :) I highly recommend waiting for the education set before purchasing as set, or go with the EV3 which I like a lot! Thanks for the excellent video review of these products!!

[@RacingBrick]

In this case Spike Prime *is* the education version, there won't be another one

[@sicantreis]

@@RacingBrick I'm not sure I agree - it seems to easy for LEGO to repackages the new mindstorms kit not to sell and education version. Spike Prime, IMO, is geared towards younger children (8-11ish) and Mindstorms is geared towards middle schoolers and up (12+). Also educational kits are a huge seller, schools and programs buy 20-30 of these kits at a time. But time will tell. :)

[@RacingBrick]

@@sicantreis you are free to disagree

[@Unbrickme]

@@sicantreis the motors, the intelligent brick, and everything is identical between the two!

[@dinhtuan752]

I forgot all 10 or 8.

[@gamingz5245]

I bet they released the education one because of the lock-down and home schooling

[@RacingBrick]

I'm sure they did

[@Unbrickme]

RacingBrick well it’s not like the education version was super difficult to buy. You don’t even need to prove you’re an educator to buy them (even before they were available on lego website) just use the education lego website, purchase, and just like that anyone can purchase

[@RacingBrick]

Not everyone lives in the US, so that was not *that* simple. In other countries you needed to use local special resellers without a simple and easy to use webshop, they did not even have the prices visible.

[@Unbrickme]

RacingBrick oh wow I didn’t know that. I thought that the US website was the same worldwide! Thanks for letting me know

[@pcc404]

I think ev3 and robot inventor are the same much good but are so different that it would not be comparable

[@PharielPeng]

Amazing work! I got trapped on buying 51515 or 45678, you saved my day!

[@zuanverreynne8301]

70k subs already!!! I still remember when I subscribed and there were only a few thousand subs

[@RacingBrick]

Time flies! Hope we can celebrate 100k soon ;)

[@zuanverreynne8301]

@@RacingBrick Yeah, me too, that would be great! Are you maybe going to do a giveaway when we hit 100k?

[@RacingBrick]

@@zuanverreynne8301 did not think about it yet but it's a great idea! Will see what I can do.

[@zuanverreynne8301]

@@RacingBrick Thanks, I'm glad I could give you an idea.

[@leoyu8913]

51515 looks quite complicated. Can a 10-yr kid really do it on his/her own?

[@RacingBrick]

The build itself is not that complicated, and all programs come fully prepared in the app.

[@gearratio6773]

Definitely. As mentioned, programs come complete and ready to go. After you play around with it, you're encouraged to try to alter the program to complete a different task. It's a great education tool for people new to programming too.

[@ItsHonski]

I want this

[@Bricksfaction]

cool.

[@Spelper]

Its the Same. All from Mindstorms.

[@therogercorporation6602]

Spike Prime came out of the toilet

[@dantetheboyy4066]

are u hungarian?

[@dinhtuan752]

no answer EDIT: yes!

[@mustafayontem5735]

Hangisi olsun bilemedim.

[@mustafayontem5735]

Çok iyi

[@sebulbableves]

CsÁ

[@tienhiepnguyen9243]

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[@massimotrickfingegameplays]

you american

[@dinhtuan752]

no, This channel is lived in Hungarian.