Less Lethal: Casual Damage testing- Grimburg Gavle, Byrna SD, Salt Supply Company S2, FSC

[@CRH.Williams]

The Grimberg Gavle is scary powerful for a co2 powered weapon. Also effective against big-heavy guys with thick clothing.

[@JollyDeacs11]

I own two Tippman TPX's in AR style and they do ok, not bad. I used once on a charging Mountain Lion while I was hiking in North Bend, WA. I would love to possess me a Grimberg Gavle. Just the name is badass! Meet, "Grim Berg Gavel, so mean a man, he once shot a man just for snoring." Great Vid Guys!

[@bryancantrell1138]

Great fun video. Glad the Grimberg is a simple fix. That guy at Grimberg seems really decent. I bought one of his 12 gram mags for my FSC from him. Nice steady power across all six shots. Got the email about closing out on the FSC stuff so I bought a second one. Looking forward to seeing the skull video.

[@MultiSkyman1]

What was the fix?

[@EMW_Music]

​@@MultiSkyman1 a simple one

[@BlueCollarBeerSnob]

"I like black powder pretty dag-blum-well" ... lol. so do I!

[@DK-Spencer]

@@BlueCollarBeerSnob It is fun

[@MultiSkyman1]

I had the same problem with that leaky piercing cap on my S2. They sent me a new one no problem, but it really shook my confidence in it. What if I really needed it that time!! So you fixed your S2 with oil? Explain?

[@DK-Spencer]

@@MultiSkyman1 No, I used Teflon tape to fix the leak. I put it on the threads of the set screw

[@MultiSkyman1]

@@DK-Spencer I tried that without any luck. Had it replaced. Still don't trust it though but I really like the S2 otherwise.

[@chuck322]

I would like to know if there’s some sort of device that would measure the force when they hit it. And you can compare it to the force of being hit with a hammer or a stick. Joules are interesting but I would be curious what the force of the hit would be

[@DK-Spencer]

That would be nice, actually

[@pbimpactresearch4727]

Use a crono and this formula and you can get the exact energy. Kinetic Energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity^2

[@DK-Spencer]

@pbimpactresearch4727 He's taking about being able to measure what it actually impacts at. There's a ton of calculators for getting the power as long as you know the speed and weight. But most people don't have chronos that they can use to measure right at the sight of impact, just ones that measure at the muzzle. I have one that will measure at a distance. Would still be several inches back from the point of impact and a good chance it will get damaged using it for the test

[@jaydawg116]

Aww man i wish you put the LE up there instead of the SD. Oh well, this aught to be a good one. Lets watch!

[@DK-Spencer]

Just did a ballistic head video with an LE 😉

[@DawsonDave-YZF-R6]

🤩Gavle 💪🏁🏁🏁

[@mensajay2]

Hi DK! I blew the O ring in my TCR (tried to release an un-finished CO2). How would you recommend fixing that? Is there a way to strengthen that O ring?

[@DK-Spencer]

@@mensajay2 If you didn't lose the seal you can reuse it. It requires a full disassembly to replace it though and snap rings. I definitely have a video showing how. Let me see if I can figure out which one

[@DK-Spencer]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYfYgJugpNWUjposi=frIGu2bwofcrRpIF

[@DK-Spencer]

I think that's the one

[@dankelly]

DK! What up? Your "DK" logo is awesome.

[@DK-Spencer]

@@dankelly Thanks! The wife designed it😁

[@EastCoastLessLethal]

I’ve had a leak from the little Allen bolt on the side of the S2 puncture cap. I took it out and put some teflon and it worked. Great test I love it

[@Antinavlas]

Did they upgrade you to the new blue orings?

[@Antinavlas]

Also are those landed tactical co2

[@DK-Spencer]

@@Antinavlas Yes. And Lancer, yes

[@matthaberek]

Between grimburg and s2 salt which is more powerful and sounds the loudest? Also if you couldn’t use chemical balls in ur state which would u choose?

[@DK-Spencer]

@@matthaberek The Gavel is exactly twice as powerful and WAY louder. Gavle

[@matthaberek]

@@DK-Spencer ok I was kinda thinking that one would be the winner. I live in New Mexico but was interested in a less lethal for when I visit my family in California. I’m sure you already know how crazy strict they are on real guns.

[@matthaberek]

@@DK-Spencer so while I agree after seeing videos the gavel is more powerful and louder. I have to ask does it maintain its power in shots like s2 or drop off like byrna does ?

[@DK-Spencer]

It drops off. I've got a testing video showing that. Any time you have that much power with CO2 it has to, just not enough CO2 in a 12 or 16 to keep something at 40 at full power for 5 shots. But, it ends stronger than an FSC of the same power on 12g. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpS7iqOEd5uqb6s

[@iampharaoh8322]

I just received my Byrna LE today and I’m hoping it is 24 Jules. How can I test the Jules?

[@DK-Spencer]

With a Chrono and scale to weigh the balls

[@THELESSLETHALSPOT]

Nice video Dk. Whats wrong with the S2?! That Gavle shot 💥😂 Yay!🔥

[@DK-Spencer]

@@THELESSLETHALSPOT It's good now, just needed a drop of oil on the CO2 chamber seal😉

[@j.r6656]

is the Gavel way better than S2 bro 🤔

[@DK-Spencer]

@@j.r6656 It's double the power, but no magazine and no quick pierce. I'd rather be shot with the S2, that's for sure.

[@jamesczech5506]

Hey dk! Quick question since I’m sure you’ve had the gavel apart. I’m replacing the lower and was wondering if there was a trick to separating it from the upper after having taken out the theee screws ( including the one recessed into the bottom rail) ?

[@DK-Spencer]

@@jamesczech5506 I only took the back cap off of mine to see which o-ring it had and Kurt told me to send it back and they would fix it so I didn't tear it down any further. But they do have a video on their KZbin page about how to do it. I was checking it out because I was getting ready to break it apart before I heard back from Kurt

[@fikascore]

Jesus is waiting for Chuck Norris

[@brr8888]

Is it possible the reason most of them leak because of the oil you’re using? It look’s petroleum based and not silicone by the color.

[@DK-Spencer]

@@brr8888 I have started just using silicone, so maybe.

[@FloridaMan1976]

I've got the same 1860 snubby, she sleeps on my nightstand. Please let me know where you got the white grips from. I've already slicked up her action real good, replaced her stock springs with Wolff springs and she's rocking some nice nipples (lol), but I'd love to dress her up a little.

[@DK-Spencer]

@@FloridaMan1976 Heck yeah www.ebay.com/itm/265138980772?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=HSVzyoDWQDS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=TKHcAulAQlS&var=565019871584&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[@DK-Spencer]

@@FloridaMan1976 Actually just finally got my 3.5-in birds head cattleman's so stay tuned for that 😉

[@FloridaMan1976]

@@DK-Spencer Awesome man, thanks for the info. She's gonna look good in her new outfit. I actually watched your other video on black powder where you mentioned where the grips came from, so I went to their website. Now I gotta get a set for her big sister too, the 1860 sheriff model which got the same upgrade treatment as well as I polished the barrel, cylinder and backstrap.

[@DK-Spencer]

@FloridaMan1976 Nice!

[@FloridaMan1976]

@@DK-Spencer One more question for ya. Which less-lethal pistol would you trust the most as far as reliability and power and be a good edc appendix carry?

[@TheBibleNerd334]

Of these three which would you suggest for a single woman who cannot at this point in life own a real gun? Or is there another brand which is more reliable? I’d ideally like something powerful and reliable to shoot. Thank you.

[@DK-Spencer]

@@TheBibleNerd334 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4G2hnhve6-BsLM see if this helps

[@Thegreatmidwest1]

Watch Houston Jones on youtube get shot with Gavyle. He is not a fair comparison though, the man gets hurt for a living. He likes pain.

[@DK-Spencer]

@@Thegreatmidwest1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6fFmn5obMaNa7c

[@nastymkfan]

I’m in CA and if I can’t conceal a real pistol because I’d need a permit, I want to know which one of these would I conceal carry instead. I’m leaning towards the Gavle and I think I want the pink one to make perpetrators think I have a real gun.

[@DK-Spencer]

@@nastymkfan Good choice, not sure about the pink part, though😉

[@nastymkfan]

@@DK-Spencer Of I get the gray one, then cops will be on my case stopping me wasting my time just to find out I’m carrying a blaster and not a gun. There’s an OD green with yellow and the FDE colors, which I’m not interested in. The one I’m talking about is the one with a pink slide and gray frame. At least some cops have a better chance figuring out that I have a self defense blaster. The grey frame at least makes it closer to what still looks like a cool tactical gun that many perpetrators would think that it’s a gun.

[@DK-Spencer]

@@nastymkfan ok, I thought you said pink so it would look real, lol

[@nastymkfan]

@@DK-Spencer The gray frame makes it closer to a real typical gun but the bright color (pink) is a must if I don’t want to spend time complaining about cops harassing me in Northern, CA. 😆😉

[@DK-Spencer]

@@nastymkfan makes sense

[@KimKung-d8j]

Nice vido but the gavel still suck. I try 3 of them and everyone has problems you have sorry to say gavel waste of money and even put 16g and oring part and still no work right.

[@BrilloHead]

Lol, I thought about getting a Gavle but never gotten it because it used threaded CO2.

[@grimburglesslethal]

You've tried three of them? Not from us. No one has ever tried three of them.

[@BrilloHead]

@@grimburglesslethal Hey Grimburg, you should make a launcher that accepts standard non threaded 12 gram CO2's. Only then would I consider your launcher. The power of the Gavle shows great potential but the the fact it's limited to using only threaded CO2's is not what I want.

[@babraham.]

​ @grimburglesslethal Yes from you grimburg I prove if can put in picture here you see it!!!!!!!!!!! You big lie bad. me get number one from you it leak I send back you get me number 2 gavel same leak probelm and number 3 put in 16 co2 part new oring thing stil leaky and me say trueth you gavel junk loose money. Many no happy peopel tell me same and you no like trueth tell about it on fb so you remove what me and other people say true about gavel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You no good. free speach no free with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TyJ-i6j]

@@BrilloHeadhey genius, the threaded co2 makes it so the •average• person can put a CO2 cartridge in easily while still having the air lock capabilities that give it its consistent 40 joulle power shot through all 5 projectiles.

[@JayJone5169]

The more i see these leaking issues the more i wanna stay away from co2 pistols, i have 4 and had no issues test but only dry fires 2 and shot 2 at a target, i live in apt so have to rest them at relitives house, i rather just have a firearm if no felonies, or mental record, assult ,etc, or black power if any of those apply, co2 less lethals seem to fail alot more just like tasers!

[@DK-Spencer]

Overall, I typically have good luck with CO2 as far as leaks go. But, yeah, you have a chance that when you go to use it, it may not work. Especially if you let it sit for a long time and the o-rings dry out and then you go to use it before you re-lubricate it. A good idea not to just put one in your car and forget about it until time to use it. As long as you're not doing cylinder cylinder back to back and freezing the o-rings you're better off actually using the thing than sitting it up and waiting until you need it. Probably the two biggest drawbacks are the fact that the power starts dropping after the first shot and winter weather makes it much weaker. I love black powder, I would say it's considerably more reliable and WAY more powerful. Unfortunately a lot of people can't have that or actually don't want to have something that is lethal. One big thing to consider is that if a CO2 weapon malfunctions it's typically toast. And there are several points in it that can fail. Any one of those points fail and you no longer have power. Not to mention the fact that you have something that at times is going to be holding an air charge versus just having the potential energy in the cap and powder. Only one thing needs to happen in a black powder, that cap needs to be hit and if it's not wet or bad, your good. If a black powder revolver don't shoot the first time (bad cap or whatever) you've got five more cylinders that should work 😂.

[@JayJone5169]

@@DK-Spencer 😄 Great info, I never keep mine pierced untill ready to use it, I keep my mercury rise mub 50 in my left pocket in a cheap pocket holster with handle facing frontward, Ill use my right hand to pierce it first than shoot or grab it and bump it on leg, or something near by, I wouldn't leave it layin in sunlight either I would think that would melt seals or sum depending on how cheap they are, I'm not sure if u can even get 500 shots before issues, but I plan to get a new firearm soon, my G2 Taurus 9 mm was not working properly it was no recoil and no louder than a ballon pop, my mub 50 is louder so I don't less wit anymore, even putting the slide back in place after oiling it, it was very hard to do, so I'm investing in a new one

[@scoottheharbor]

Gee that makes me not want any of them. Imagine if you needed that in a real world situation and all it did was hiss. Kiss your ass goodbye.

[@pbimpactresearch4727]

@@scoottheharbor i keep a can of oc on me too. All tge time. Other than a sword or club anything can malfunction or break. Phone, flashlight, stick, spray, knife. I always carry these things.

[@arthritic]

Want a better comparison, use the LE Byrna. Not doing Byrna justice with that SD

[@DK-Spencer]

@@arthritic Really, cause one of my LEs was 8 Joules, this SD is 10. I've got lots of videos with both. As I said it the first of this video it's not a comparison between the things this was showing power damage had nothing to do with what it was coming out of just the amount of power whatever it was coming out of was. I was comparing 10 joules to 20 and 20 to 40 I wasn't comparing one pistol to another. But if you want to see comparisons with the LE check out my other videos. I do one against the S2 on sheet metal with an LE even