That guy should know better, and it proves the elitism of British Cycling when they complain that you swore at an official, who was not dressed as an official, and they thought they could discipline you even though you had video evidence. Glad you made this available for the public to see.
@ColinOlden114 күн бұрын
The official is wearing a UCI uniform, the dark blue top and bright beige trousers are very different to the BC uniform but well known. Regardless it's inexplicable what the man was doing in the road.
@thorgrimb241614 күн бұрын
@@ColinOlden1 but if an official is stepping out he should have some high vi's on his upper body, if British cycling think those colours are suitable they are very nieve indeed. I think a Norwegian cyclist unfortunatly died recently in a race, cycling has a lot of dangers and every governing body upto and including the uni should do evertpything fees able to limit any risks to cyclists.
@ColinOlden114 күн бұрын
@@thorgrimb2416 Yes I agree totally, I work in mountain bike racing at national and international level as a race director ( I never work at road races) . At national level it has been common for the officials to not wear any marking other than their uniform but at World cup level all the officials wear bibs which clearly mark who people are. It is very strange indeed that this commissaire is out in the course but then compared to mountain biking road racing is just strange altogether.
@robertstan234914 күн бұрын
i would have told them, next time, i kick his sorry arse 😆
@paulflory353212 күн бұрын
@@ColinOlden1 What springs to mind is that outfit could easily be what any well-dressed spectator might wear. May be natty for other situations but not when trying to officiate roadside.
@jamesprince875315 күн бұрын
Think you bruised his ego, shame he couldn’t admit fault, small man. Hard not to swear when you’re at threshold and someone stands in your way!
@ironmantooltime14 күн бұрын
Threshold pah, zone 2 for me.
@cornishalps987014 күн бұрын
mate he is not the type of person to have an ego. Standard british cycling rules, usually at the start of the race they will say no language as it can damage the publics view of us especially in a town centre crit. He did it by the book.
@jt030813 күн бұрын
@@cornishalps9870 well, he wasnt wearing hi vis or indeed the colours of his colleagues. He stood in the middle of the road in a dangerous position. Reporting the swearing may have been 'by the book' - but were his other actions?
@CsabaTothMr5 күн бұрын
@@cornishalps9870 It's also standard rule to not be in the middle of the road. If the cyclist would hit the dude both of them can break bones and stuff. Language is justified IMHO. GTFO the race track.
@basszoneproduction2 күн бұрын
@@cornishalps9870 some of the worst reasoning I've seen since biden tried to convince everyone he can still run for president
@tylerward583914 күн бұрын
England: Swearing is a bigger deal than stepping in front of a big group of riders with no hi-vis
@sebastianschuh68085 күн бұрын
Today not only in Enland.
@louiswells3836Күн бұрын
I always wonder how certain officials would get on in areas of England or the other nations where "swearing" is part of the local vernacular, I would try the predujust card first lol, would send the complainant over the top with rage... would be fun though! Where I am from we use the worst of words to describe the best of friends. If I'm being nice to you I most likely don't like u 😂
@brandonhoffman4712Күн бұрын
@@sebastianschuh6808 wheres Enland though? When I spun the globe I couldnt find it!
@mvashton14 күн бұрын
Shouting at someone was the correct response. We use expletives to drive the message so although in hindsight you wished you hadn't it is quite natural and normal.
@tooleyheadbang423914 сағат бұрын
Shouting abuse is certainly the usual response. ...from cyclists.
@einat-w3j11 күн бұрын
The fact that he is 'high up' in British Cycling should be enough to tell all.
@andykennedy595117 күн бұрын
Dangerous action by the race official at *08:40* in the video. He needs to be disciplined.
@philargyle375917 күн бұрын
Totally agree @andykennedy5951, why aren’t officials wearing hi-vis, surely should be mandate.
@brulsmurf14 күн бұрын
Offical should just have said: "sorry mate, I was a dumbfuck." Now that he escalated he should indeed be disciplined.
@madmax206913 күн бұрын
If you use : instead of a period the time becomes clickable. 8:40
@andykennedy595112 күн бұрын
@@madmax2069 great advice, sorted.
@twintyara633012 күн бұрын
He needs to be punished 😈
@stephanielongden59714 күн бұрын
That "official" is indeed a prick and a massive one at that to have the cheek to complain.
@WilliamJeffs-vu7nr14 күн бұрын
prickerty prick prick
@kevinmoore889614 күн бұрын
I was in your group and remember someone being in the road like that and thinking what on earth are they doing? No way you should have had a phone call! You did nothing wrong.
@jonnyk119514 күн бұрын
I was told by BC that some riders in our group had lodge complaints about me shouting/swearing. I didn’t think that would be true.
@kevinmoore889614 күн бұрын
@@jonnyk1195 if they did then that’s sad!! I didn’t hear any swearing anyway!
@lukenfoci11 күн бұрын
@@jonnyk1195 Well, if you think about it though, it may be true. Imagine riders being in front of you, and they hear you shouting, they could have thought that you shouted at a different rider...
@jamespmorganjr427615 күн бұрын
He had absolutely ZERO reason to be in the middle of the road! Official or not. Cursing at someone who can potentially cause serious injury, is not something you should have to apologize for. Good thing you had your camera on.
@ianwilde180013 күн бұрын
100% agreement
@ianlloyd118213 күн бұрын
In the heat of the moment and the ‘official’ being in a position that could have caused a nasty accident I’m not surprised you swore at him. He’s the idiot in this situation and needs to apologize to you.
@gregb824514 күн бұрын
I believe your instruction to the person on the course was perfectly justified as well as your quick identification given how little time there was to react.
@franciss252916 күн бұрын
That is very unfair- why he thought he should step out into the road to do that is beyond me. Having raced Ilkley myself, you still go very fast up that hill and there’s actually a decent risk of crashing on it due to riders fatiguing while others are attacking- let alone when someone is standing on the circuit itself! If the commissaries want to communicate with a rider, they ought to use a whiteboard.
@leswall306115 күн бұрын
You had every right to shout as you did
@deeevans32415 күн бұрын
F That!!! It doesn't matter how you express yourself, you got your point across. He was just mad because you put him in his place, and I promise he will never do that again since you made him feel a bit silly. LOL, Great Video My Brother!!
@milanpintar16 күн бұрын
official should be disciplined. He's not above the rules, I'm sure there's rules and behaviors he need to follow.
@annoyingbstard940714 күн бұрын
He’s a pedestrian. How are you planning on disciplining him? Banning him from walking?
@WilliamJeffs-vu7nr14 күн бұрын
The official was a full weight idiot.
@anthonylynn19695 күн бұрын
@@annoyingbstard9407He is not a pedestrian have you not listened to the video 🤔he's a race official who thinks everything is about himself and a few jumped up officials
@annoyingbstard94075 күн бұрын
@@anthonylynn1969 Pedestrian…A person who is walking. Hope that helps.
@zeecycling15 күн бұрын
I agree with you completely. He should not have been there and risked causing an accident and you were justified in shouting at him to get out the way. You should put a counter complaint in for him.
@jonnyk119515 күн бұрын
I thought about it… decided making the video was a better way of complaining
@Letts_prey14 күн бұрын
Colourful language absolutely justified for his actions, counter complaint justified against his arrogance. The comments section alone speaks volumes as to the backing you have in agreement as to how dangerous his actions were, regardless of his feelings of entitlement.
@Biffo12628 күн бұрын
@@jonnyk1195make the counter complaint for if you don't then this egotistical idiot will feel he's quite justified in his stupid behaviour. We all know what these guys are like so he needs bringing down a peg or two and realise safety before ego.
@milanpintar16 күн бұрын
so glad you had a camera. was great to watch it all too.
@TheCyclesport15 күн бұрын
If you look to the right, behind the official, there is a dog on a leash, and swearing in front of the dog can harm its feelings. The dog might need counseling after this ordeal. You should have said "Hello sir thank you for standing in the road with your whistle in a very dangerous manner, can you please just step back up onto the curb and off the course! And please sir when you step back do not step on the Dog right behind you." That is the way you go about these things, not swearing!
@jonnyk119515 күн бұрын
I will try and remember that for next time! 🤣
@TheSaturnV7 күн бұрын
Furthermore, had the pup shat the sidewalk it would have been this rider's responsibility for all cleaning fees. 🙃
@rschroev7 күн бұрын
It seems there was a mix-up: it turns out the official should have been on a leash instead of the dog
@stevenfreeman779814 күн бұрын
What was he thinking!!!. Put in a counter claim he could have been any nutter!!!
@tomfredrikblenning905414 күн бұрын
Having officiated races myself, I would have seen this as a learning moment for the commissar. First lesson is obviously that it should be 100% clear that he is a race official. Second is that instead of making the race safer stepping out like that made the race less safe. As for the swearing, that's a bit difficult to judge, I have zero problems with the swearing in and by itself, and I always keep in mind that an athlete pumped up on adrenaline is a different beast than their regular being. My considerations would be if they were undermining the respect for the race rules and/or officials. Keeping in mind that in a situation with 2 people involved, there is usually 3 truths to it. Two subjective and one objective. The commissar may have seen things very differently. This may have been a case where he didn't realize he was causing the problem, and it seems reasonable for this to go away.
@arandombard119711 күн бұрын
People will swear in life-threaning situations, which is what this idiot official created. He could easily have caused a collision with his behaviour. When you have 1-2 seconds to instruct someone to get out of the way, aggressive tones and profanity can help accelerate that.
@bruceyoung213214 күн бұрын
Agree with everyone who supported you! 886 W and over 175bpm - no one should step onto the course!! Fuck em (as you originally and quite rightly said)..
@vulcanvoyager11 күн бұрын
You are 100% right (don't worry about the swearing, it's impossible to be polite, when faced with a complete W8nk3R standing directly in front of you), the officials in cycling these days are as clueless as our politicians. I've always thought the beige uci trousers very suspect indeed!
@sleepycatsqueeze15 күн бұрын
Good Christ why oh why do some folks think its in any way acceptable to have their officials off the lead at a crit ?
@duncanmacphee20014 күн бұрын
I know wearing a high-viz tabard would have spoilt his 'gentleman at Henley Regatta' vibes, but he was clearly in the wrong. Also, considering the mental and physical stress you were under, it's absolutely no wonder you swore (I've heard much worse coming out the mouths of children on public transport too). Aside from the drama, it's a fantastic video and really captures the chaos of a race!
@TheSaturnV7 күн бұрын
Agreed, he thought he was too cool for any silly bright orange and yellow attire.
@jonwilliams298514 күн бұрын
Commissaires are trained officials who volunteer their time to ensure cycling competition is safe and fair. Commissaires are present in all levels of racing and operate in all racing disciplines . This one needs to go back to school then !
@Letts_prey14 күн бұрын
“High up official”, aka above the law when he thinks he can get away with it, with the backing of those with the same opinion. Regardless of how dangerous their arrogant actions. Been there in different scenarios. What a difference clear footage makes 👍
@pooky26264 күн бұрын
cool video regardless of the unofficial official. thanks for sharing...now i watch the tour
@minesadab3 күн бұрын
You acted correctly. There's a place for swearing, and that was one of them.
@1601mat13 күн бұрын
You are wise, and your lessons learned seem right on. Life is a challenge.
@andrewnorris541515 күн бұрын
What's a few choice words in the heat of the moment when facing danger? You could have broke bones there in a fall or swerved into the crowd. He put you in a dangerous position through his own actions. That he is an official is crazy. That he is high up an abused his power to discipline you is nuts. It is him who clearly needs to be disciplined. Thanks for shaming them with this video. Will they take action - as a result of the publicity - or are they banding round his guy bc is high up and they are his friends?
@ATurtle0511 күн бұрын
I have never been even a thousandth of the cyclists you guys are, but, I am a fan of cycling, I love watching the Grand Tours and my wife and neighbours know when their is a mountain stage from the profanities that are directed at the numpties who choke the roads. You stand at the side of the road and cheer on your favourite, hopefully at the front, and don't hinder them. The official should a) have had a hi-vis on and b) had a flag, like the Marshall in motor racing, I would suggest blue, to signal "You are about to be lapped, move to the slower part of the route".
@magikclown13 күн бұрын
In the written rules governing this race, is use of the common vernacular proscribed or outlawed?
@mudia804 күн бұрын
He created dangerous situation. You were in a heat of race. Even if you may be questioned about swearing, the fault was his.
@narmo798914 күн бұрын
Good to see you weren't put off by the Dacre road race. You pick the hilly ones!
@jonnyk119514 күн бұрын
Ha yes, searching out the flat ones now!
@hut8_newzealand3613 күн бұрын
I really thought you were going to have to run into him. Quick thinking on your part.
@roysingleton53325 күн бұрын
I was sat on the pavement at the top of the bank taking photographs and couldn't believe when he walked in front of us then proceeded to stand there so close to the cyclists and there was a couple of close calls and in the end we shouted at him to move never seen anything like it 😮
@jonnyk11955 күн бұрын
Wow! Good to hear it from your side
@MrEMann14 күн бұрын
Wow, watching you blow up in the first minute? Maxed out HR and pushing lots of watts. I'd be dropped like a stone!
@commando2510115 күн бұрын
Can’t wait to do this next year as an 80 kg plus rider😂
@jonnyk119515 күн бұрын
it’s tough. I was at 84kg so was never going to be a great one for me.
@dombaker621014 күн бұрын
How do you get that real time data onto the video timeline?
@jonnyk119514 күн бұрын
I use an app called 'Telemetry Overlay'
@sethchapman800110 күн бұрын
Very dangerous, he should not have been in the road. The video is great though! Really captures the intensity of bike racing! Shows how there is little to no room for error in any way. Regardless of how you placed with the other riders, I think you rode great!
@marieannwalsh6625 күн бұрын
The fact that he took time out to complain speaks volumes. He could have caused a pile up, but someone swore...
@inbermswetrust2 күн бұрын
That official definitely drives a "compensation" convertible. Pulling rank at a local race because you got cursed for being an idiot + small PP-energy.
@genegroover372116 күн бұрын
It's nice that you apologized for your profanity. We must be professional. He obviously shouldn't have been in the road. He could have caused a crash and or injuries to the riders. He should be disciplined. No, you shouldn't be banned. The officials ALL should have some type of clothing that identifies them as officials. They should also consider using some type of flags to communicate with the riders without getting on the road way. Safety first for all involved.
@peterfireflylund14 күн бұрын
One shouldn't apologize for being right!
@pj44334 күн бұрын
He deserved more than swearing he’s completely at fault. The sheer temerity of the guy to report you
@katesmiles42088 күн бұрын
Despite the drama. Great footage 👍
@Fifty-one-Fifty4 күн бұрын
You were right on all counts
@SecwetGwiwer14 күн бұрын
The fact that he’s a commissaire makes it even worse, he should know better! What are you apologising for?
@annoyingbstard940714 күн бұрын
Effing and blinding in front of kids maybe?
@danthorpe815015 күн бұрын
That was odd. As you said, you'd expect an official to be easily identifiable as such. Even then, you wouldn't expect to see them doing something like that. Just out of interest, what camera are you using - very clear footage.
@jonnyk119515 күн бұрын
It’s the new @insta360 X4. Only had it for a couple of weeks but loving it. Just wish it was lighter but quality is amazing.
@jvaraneta2 күн бұрын
What kind of overlay are you using? Thanks!
@jonnyk11952 күн бұрын
It’s software called ‘telemetry overlay’. Works great
@jvaraneta2 күн бұрын
@@jonnyk1195 thank u!
@Bodkin_Ye_Pointy4 күн бұрын
I think you should have pushed for the hearing in any case. Rank or no, he did not withdraw from out of your path until you told him to. He had no right to be in the road and perhaps should be under investigation himself for endangering the riders by his action. As a senior official he has failed in his duty of care endangering the riders well being. Further I think the investigation should include whether he was attempting to influence the race unfairly because doesn't the positioning impact on season rankings?
@sophie022223 күн бұрын
Also .. what is the outcome?
@Horus-Lupercal15 күн бұрын
I think you're 100% in the right mate, he could've caused a pretty serious accident by doing that, unacceptable of an official. I hate that we likely have to buy front and rear cameras for safety, we should be able to choose low-to-no tech. Much love from New Zealand.
@thierryflippe679216 күн бұрын
Says it all with british organised cycling ...utter crap !
@AlaskanbrawlКүн бұрын
You were right. What was he doing stood there ???
@wohlhabendermanager5 күн бұрын
I thought what you said was extremly nice, considering the circumstances.
@Lazy_Jay_Racing13 күн бұрын
As someone who has never raced in a Crit, I'm even less inclined yo give it a try now that I've seen what kind of attitude some people in the BC office think is appropriate! That guy should not have been in the road during the race, I'm not sure I'd be able to accept their warning politely
@larryfinke61332 күн бұрын
I don’t think you have anything to apologize for.
@t0urdefrance713 сағат бұрын
Question: What was your response after BC contacted you? Did you appeal against their decision?
@andyderbyshire51914 күн бұрын
Besides the swearing, which to be honest is understandable considering the effort and ambiguous intention of the 'spectator ', you hadn't done anything wrong. He was not in any recognisable kit to id as an official. He stepped into path of the athletes. His complaint is unreasonable he should be disciplined and made to apologise for his error. In my youth racing crits I had never experienced this but other pompous behavior abound. What are the current official rules for lap norification. I mean, the motorbike passing is a good enough clue isn't it. I hope you at least get a chance to have your say. Don't accept any strikes against you. Excellent racing and course btw.
@walkersutton12 күн бұрын
nice "game over" animation!
@kixigvakКүн бұрын
I don't ride bike races anymore but I do swear a lot. Last time I got called on the carpet, at the local high school, I said to myself "Why am I swearing in English when I speak an obscure tongue in which swearing has been developed to a fine art?" So I got into the habit of swearing in this other language. Now I might get strange looks at one of my outbursts but at least I don't get into trouble.
@pinkycatcher13 сағат бұрын
Always be the first to complain, it puts them on the defensive. So next time this happens, file whatever formal complaint you can stating there was a dangerous action on the course by a member of the public. It would have forced them to say "oh it was our official, who wasn't wearing any uniform, but you shouldn't cuss" and then you can give the good reply "I had a safety concern that could have caused injury and you're worried about my language?"
@cornishalps987014 күн бұрын
That official is always at ilkley seen him the past 2 years. He was probably one who allowed camera use as well.
@consentofthegoverned5145Күн бұрын
What is the "BPM" and "W" measuring?
@cybermonk26462 сағат бұрын
BPM: beats per minute, or your heart rate W: Watts, or how much power you are putting to the pedals
@fr4nk85414 күн бұрын
Fair play mate. There will always be wet lettuces
@paulflory353212 күн бұрын
Aren't battery-powered loud hailers available in the UK? Using one of those, he should have stood on the curb and communicated with the riders safely from there. Perhaps he has never raced, at least not on a criterium course like this?
@peterroberts447010 күн бұрын
The brightest thing about this Commissaire was his black jacket.
@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv14 күн бұрын
In the US it is normal for the official to step out into the road a bit to get the attention of the riders when sharing a message. That said, he should have been looking at the riders coming towards him more and should have been moving back off the road earlier
@mescey505914 күн бұрын
Should he have been wearing clearer ID? Surely there is some reg about that
@simonduckworth881813 күн бұрын
He's very lucky that he's come away un injured, he clearly thinks he's above the law. Great video editing Mr K what camera is it? Makes you realise everyone should have one for their own safety. And i'm sure if you hadn't had it recording you'd be facing the wrath of the law. Alot on here simply suggesting he should be wearing a high Vis but come on, high Vis or not get out of the middle of the road!!!
@jonnyk119513 күн бұрын
Thankyou, it’s filed on the @insta360 x4 great camera!
@1972hermanoben9 күн бұрын
No apologies needed on your part: it’s a race, adrenaline is running high, competition is intense and feelings are running high and so it’s no place for anyone - especially not a commissaire - to be breaking with safety procedures in such a flagrant way. He’s representing a serious and immediate risk to everyone around you on the road and it was absolutely right to tell him in no uncertain terms to remember the danger he presented and to get back behind barriers or out of the way. Nobody but him will have had their feelings hurt: anyone there with kids will understand the conditions you’re racing under.
@PistachioFilmsLLC11 күн бұрын
Shouldn't have been in the road. Shortened to polite version, lol. Drew.
@nickvledder13 күн бұрын
Start watching at 8:40 … No need to apologize for swearing imho.
@cahal11 күн бұрын
What he did was incredibly dangerous. I can fully understand your outburst.
@raceface_m25794 күн бұрын
What camera was this?
@jonnyk11953 күн бұрын
It’s the @insta360 X4, love it
@nickhutchinson906814 күн бұрын
Ive ridden this a few times, its hard graft! Nah, mate, you're not in the wrong, he's a prick. Cav has a lovely vocabulary when he's in the peloton. He should be sanctioned
@jameswebster165514 күн бұрын
That official needs to think about his actions here, he could have easily caused a major injury. What was he thinking! It’s a race not a Sunday morning club ride.
@twintyara633012 күн бұрын
The ending feels depressing, wish I could stay with you sitting on the grass together
@johnwbroseley14 күн бұрын
You dont see the officials walk on the track in a formula 1 race!
@stevendimmock479111 күн бұрын
Me again. I have subscribed and will be watching closely in future to see if that idiot tries to single you out at future events. Whatever you, my friend, don't give up on the sport we love. When we are all watching, if that idiot isn't squeaky clean, we can get rid of him. It's a simple question of a weight of numbers. Keep filming.
@Tailspin8015 күн бұрын
Let’s hope the organisers watch it and learn. I rode in RideLondon this year and my only real criticism was the poor marshalling. Many took no notice of the riders, they didn’t get upstream of the numerous crashes to warn riders and several just waved their yellow flags continually to show how much fun they were having. The BC rules and regulations include hundreds of pages of onerous regulations regarding the riders but say nothing about how the officials should behave or how they should be identified on the circuit.
@brandonhoffman4712Күн бұрын
Thats a bummer of a race. In F1 you still get to race after being lapped. If it was my 1st race and I got canceled for being lapped, I'm not certain I would continue to participate.
@svgs650r13 күн бұрын
What’s with the socks?
@jonnyk119513 күн бұрын
Got to have your fast socks on!
@FattyOn2Wheels3 күн бұрын
Does not matter who he is he's a danger to the riders no hi vis on could be anyone bellend
@vfclists14 күн бұрын
Official was a right pillock. What did he think he was doing?
@matthewgrice541113 күн бұрын
It's been years but stuff like this(the officials in the US) and other riders attitudes got me to stop racing(I did enjoy it) and now just enjoy riding. Before one race we had been told we could use the entire road width for the sprint after the last turn, I jumped out of the turn past the motorcycle who then flagged me out of the race. The winner (I would have been caught by most but might have placed) gave me his prize as it was a membership to a Gym he could not use. Over the top officials mess it up for everyone.
@jonathanlake60533 күн бұрын
The only reason that he would be standing in the road like that in my opinion would be to influence the outcome of the race,perhaps he had a wager.
@CED992 күн бұрын
You swiftly used *effective concise verbal communication* to prevent a nasty accident, well done. Could you have chosen more flowery words to protect their feelings? Maybe. Would it have been as effective? Probably not. At the end of the day you got pushed right by a cyclist and there was a very real possibility of collecting a person standing in the middle of the road, which could have hospitalised one or both of you!
@davidbentley473114 күн бұрын
Commissaire’ations
@skwb19739 күн бұрын
This official should work for Formula 1. He will be a hit!
@pauljenkins25016 күн бұрын
If it was necessary for a race official to step into the road in front of an approaching pack of riders (and thats a mighty big "if" in my opinion), then he should definitely have been wearing an official hi viz jacket or tabard. Otherwise, he just looks like a crazy member of the public. And therefore, in the circumstances, I completely understand why you reacted as you did.
@Teraaria-uy4bf3 күн бұрын
That guy should be fined for that
@simon_says_shhh2 күн бұрын
If you were injured he would be 100% responsible for bike damage and injury costs.
@kylemorris148414 күн бұрын
If you ran into him,would you be the one being disciplined? I would hope the onus would be on the 'unofficial ' official to get out of the way. I think the official needs some educating or retraining. Glad you didn't crash.
@deanbradley58914 күн бұрын
You did reyt
@VollKaracho20913 күн бұрын
"Swearing is not nice" FUCK THAT!
@kathymurphy72173 күн бұрын
Arrogant …….. and he is supposed to be an official. Sack him. Glad you had evidence!
@BertramSFegg11 күн бұрын
BC Commissaire and race organiser here. Matey boy should not be in the road. Absolute no no. He needs to sort it out with you and put a few quid into the charity jar.
@BufordDuckworth6 күн бұрын
I don't race because I don't want to have to deal with the egos of other racers, the egos of officials, or the egos of interfering fans. That and because I'm fat and slow.