Let Charter Schools Teach

Governments limit charter schools, even though charters often do better than government-run schools
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Many parents try to escape government-run schools for less-regulated "charter schools".
Philadelphia mom Elaine Wells tells John Stossel that she wanted to get her boys into a charter because her local government-run school in inner-city Philadelphia was “horrible ... there were fights after school every day."
Her kids spent years losing lotteries that they hoped would get them into a charter.
"It's heartbreaking," Wells says.
In Philadelphia, thanks to government limits, only 7,000 kids get into charters. 29,000 apply.
But eventually, Wells got her kids into a new charter school: Boys' Latin, founded by David Hardy.
Boys' Latin does many unusual things: all kids learn Latin, wear uniforms, stay longer hours, and it's all-boys.
"The rules are there to set the stage for the students," Hardy tells Stossel. "If the teacher can tell you to tuck in your shirt, they can tell you to be quiet in class ... tell you to do your homework."
Wells says that worked for her kids.
"Before Boys Latin I would come home and say, 'okay, I need you to read for an hour -- read a book.' And their response would be 'why? What did we do?' Like reading was a punishment! [After] Boys' Latin... I would find books in the bathroom on the floor!" Wells said.
Her son, Ibrahim, added, "It came to the point where the teacher would tell our mom that I'd taken too many books."
The school was better at hiring teachers who tried hard.
Wells recalls being shocked to find her sons talking to teachers at night: "He's in his room and I hear him talking on the phone and it was 10 o'clock at night. I'm like 'who are you on the phone with?' and he was like, 'well, Mr. Bumbulsky told me to call him if I needed help with homework.'"
Stossel pushed back at some of David Hardy’s ideas, like making every student take four years of Latin. "It's ridiculous. Nobody speaks Latin," Stossel suggests to founder David Hardy.
"Well we picked Latin because it was hard," Hardy replies.
"What's the point of that?" Stossel asks.
"Because LIFE is hard -- to be prepared you have to work hard. We wanted to get that into the psyche of our students," Hardy says.
Overall, Boys' Latin gets somewhat better test scores than surrounding schools in most subjects.
"We deliver," Hardy says. "Since the very first class we've sent more black boys to college than any high school in Pennsylvania."
Despite that, government officials rejected his proposal to open a "Girls' Latin" school. They've rejected a bunch of schools.
Charter opponents complain that charters "drain scarce resources" from government-run schools.
"You can’t tell me that," Wells responds. "Every parent pays taxes... if I choose for my child to go to a charter school, then that's where my taxes should go!"
In fact, Philadelphia and other cities don’t give charters the same amount of money they give to schools they control. Philadelphia gives them only 70% of that. So per student, Stossel notes, the government schools make money whenever a kid leaves for a charter. Over 13 years of schooling, Philadelphia saves 70k per kid.
Stossel asks Wells: what if those savings were passed onto the child?
“Absolutely! Give them the rest of the money!" Wells laughed.
But it won't happen because, as Hardy notes, "it would also mean that there would be a whole lot less union jobs. The unions are not going to be for that."

[@AarmOZ84]

"They take money away from public schools!" If a public school can't deliver, maybe it deserves to lose funding.

[@TheHerobrineFactor]

I'snt that what the no child left behind act is for?

[@ryateo1]

It's kind of funny that public schools are of the opinion that you can throw money out of a failure. Everywhere else in life when something fails you get rid of it. Not public schools. They fail, and we're supposed to take money away from what's working?

[@ryateo1]

@Paramecium Tollies That's about accurate at the public school that I went to. I went to halfway decent public school. Most of us who got out did so by joining the army. Most of my graduating class did about as well in life as they did in school.

[@ryateo1]

@Fracking Saves My saving Grace was a command Master Chief as a father. my parents identified the problems and shortcomings with public schools a long time ago. And they adjusted their fire accordingly. Both of my daughters go to charter schools. And agreed. I had to join the army to get out.

[@kmg501]

In a sane universe government school would not even exist.

[@redefv]

"Because life is hard" Mr. Hardy. Great human!!!!

[@stevepierce9329]

I studied Latin in Junior high and high school, and it gives an excellent grammatical foundation to English and other languages

[@redefv]

@@stevepierce9329 I do not doubt it. Mr. Hardy is awesome. We do not challenge kids enough these days.

[@yoonjeongsoo9378]

Mr. Hardy is a goddamn hero

[@joeleadslinger6138]

@Paramecium Tollies stay in your safe space 😂😂😂

[@extragroovy735]

@Paramecium Tollies learning a new, complicated language can increase memory and intuitiveness. So how is it not useful?

[@Dougie1969]

My daughter graduated thanks to a charter school. Now she's in college to become a nurse. Thank God for Charter Schools

[@AllieEm1]

Fracking Saves What does that have to do with her post? Successful student graduates to become a nursing student, mother thanks her creator. You are trying to stir up something that may or may not be there, therefore adding nothing but snark to the dialogue. Not a good look.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

4.0 college student, just got my masters, making 6 figures, etc. Went to a basic public school from a city that's a meme to those around it, and I didn't even finish High School. Charter schools are a waste of money and time.

[@dugilee4236]

Fuck God, and Jesus. I am engineer from public school, because I simply want to be a engineer. No help needed from fictional character.

[@1new-man]

@Fracking Saves why so angry? Make mine freedom!

[@Dougie1969]

@Fracking Saves They don't teach religion in schools. At least not charter schools

[@reneeodayok859]

God bless this man, this school, these students. Such a great opportunity. My son was always told something was wrong with him. He tested out fine but purposely failed in school. Send him to military academy and he graduated with honors. Public school doesn't work for most

[@FRN2013]

My two kids went to charter schools for almost all of their school years and did very well. In AZ, charter schools have been around for a LONG time. The unions HATE them.

[@saxonsoldier67]

Public school works as designed. Why bring out the best in everyone when that threatens the Progressive Agenda ? The old teach a man to fish idea in reverse. Keep people dependent upon an ever-growing all-powerful State.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

By what you said, not every kid is ready fir school. Needing that much forced discipline he wasn't ready for school at all.

[@CaptianDerp69]

i went to a charter school from 9th to 12th grade if i had stayed in public school i would have dropped out

[@jessedavis5992]

Yeah I was the opposite, I went to charter from 6-8th grade and went to a public highschool and dropped out the second I was able to.

[@TheRisky9]

I went to vocational school. Had I not had that choice, I wouldn't have graduated.

[@Lue1337]

@Fracking Saves you sound like a government employee

[@veronicat4517]

@Fracking Saves you must be a public school troll or a board member. Stfu

[@-AnyWho]

i was in a public school the whole time but am hearing impaired and got tired of teachers talking to the chalk board and not me even tho they knew i was hearing impaired so at 9th grade (by this time i was held back twice) i dropped out and took my GED test right away and passed with flying colors. i would never trust a public school if i could help it ...

[@noelaguirre7104]

Charter school system broke the monopoly public schools had it's a win-win situation for the kids. The Charter system must expand and pronto.

[@michealwestfall8544]

Wouldn't it make more sense to take all the positives from charter schools and put them in public schools. Wouldn't it be better to make our schools like Finland, where they don't have a private sector, so rich parents can't opt out, if they want better schools, all the schools have to better. I believe in a school system where everyone receives an equal education. But, we don't have that, we have an education system that rewards children for being in a rich district.

[@michealwestfall8544]

@Fracking Saves It would be more effective if you relayed the business model that shows that it's a scam. Examples of charter schools being shown that they are scams would be nice, too. But even with examples, it's not enough to be conclusive evidence to say in general that charter schools are a scam. Could you show that most charter schools are owned by a few corporations and then show them wanting to inflate their numbers, similar to low funding schools. Plus, what's 2+2?

[@NobodyWantsYourPity]

@Fracking Saves Stop trolling on KZbin and get a life!

[@iPizerr]

Fracking Saves lol i couldn’t imagine trying to convince or argue with someone by simply stating a claim with no evidence and then calling them an idiot

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

You forgot private schools and homeschools exist. There was no monopoly.

[@paulyisgoingagainstthegrai2952]

Whaaaaat? The private sector does something better than the public sector. Whaaaaaaaat? Couldn’t be. This is news to me. Lol. 😂

[@paulyisgoingagainstthegrai2952]

Fretchen tax payer funded but privately owned and managed. Public school teachers are city or state employees. Where charter school teachers are employees of a company. That’s what I meant by private sector and public sector.

[@mrwednesdaynight]

Imagine what they could do if they got their hands on the DMV and Post Office.

[@forthrichdubist28]

Tax payer funded but privately ran. I think it is still in the public sector in terms of funding.

[@wannabecarguy]

@Fracking Saves you told him...

[@paulyisgoingagainstthegrai2952]

Fretchen it’s private sector. Most companies get public funds nowadays. Doesn’t mean their public sector. Public sector means government funded and managed. Charters are funded mostly by tax dollars but it’s a private company with private management.

[@binyaminroscher4516]

In NJ people say that the private schools are taking money away from the public schools because they help fund the busing. It costs about $19,000 / year for public school per student in my town and about $12,000 / private school student and the private school gets little to no funding from the public school. And the private schools turn out much better students in my town. Public school is a scam.

[@TheFoolintherainn]

And when you ask for that busing you're paying for through taxes, they run your kids around on eight different buses for 2 hours just to get back and forth to school that's 10 minutes away... They punish you for requesting public transportation to go to private school.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

In the U.S. public schools spend a few thousand more across the board on students. Charters and private average thousands less.

[@goclone]

Full disclosure I work for a public school district as a technology director. I see the value of charter schools, home schools, and other means to education for all types of children, and I wish we had more flexibility and ability to try new things (and we do when we can). but one thing that really gets under my skin especially in this video. " they have special education directors" yep special education you know those kids that have some sort of disability that makes learning really hard. also the kind of disability that means a charter or private school can say no to. this is one thing that gets left out of every conversation when people start slinging mud at public schools. we educate all children regardless of any circumstances. when a student can't get in or gets kicked out of a charter or private school for any reason guess who educates them the public school. and when a student commits a crime and is removed from public school to a detention center, guess who is there to educate and hopefully rehabilitate that child. it is another public school. I do think that public schools can do better and that many of our issues come from overreach by politicians and bureaucrats especially on issues they know little about. Hell, I am still dealing with an internet safety law written in 1998 that still has a big impact but has been left in the dust. I am also in Kentucky ware most folks in this nation have heard of the battle over the pension system bind we have worked ourselves into and as part of that system thinks the state needs to find a fiscally responsible way to address it. But all that said I think we as a nation have a responsibility to educate all children. No matter the means public schools, private schools or charter schools and having a choice between them. I guess my request in this Mr. Strosell is that if you wish to report on public education in the future please remember that at the school and classroom level my teachers and administrators fight dam hard every day for the best outcome for every child. And when other systems give up on that child or will not accept that child they are there for them. I will agree that there are problems in the system but please discount what public educators strive for every day.

[@Yous0147]

This is the most sensible comment I've read on here. Kudos to you for taking the time and energy to type it out.

[@St3wCat]

Thank you for this comment, many people don't realize that charter schools are given a pass when it comes to students with disabilities. This kind of discrimination forces pubic schools to spend more resources to educate all students while charter schools can selectively segregate students who require less resources.

[@rachelrasmussen1101]

I agree this needs to be a part of the discussion, but I disagree with a few finer points, due to my own experience. I live in a high immigrant community. My kids attend a charter school that caters to English As a Second Language students. They saw a need and filled it. They do this by hiring half the teachers and twice the teachers aids, because they are working on 75% of the budget of a public school, and immigrants typically can't make up the cost difference. And they have phenomenal results. Meanwhile, in the public schools in this area, a politician got elected on the campaign promise of more and better paid teachers. But that promise was kept by drastically cutting lower paid, non-unionized teachers aides. They kept their special ed directors, they just cut the people who were actually administering the special ed. And they didn't have a choice in it, because the decision came at a government level. My kids school doesn't cater especially to special ed, but it is a workable model that proves the charter system could cater to special ed and do a better job than the current system. Because special ed kids (like ESL kids) need one on one training, not bloated top down edicts.

[@karencrookedfingerscraft3408]

Not in California, public charter schools usally have a higher percentage of students that receive Special Education than the traditional public school.

[@RavenCloak13]

goclone I guess that’s how it is in the mainland but here in Hawaii the students that I had at my public charter school that had learning disabilities and physical disabilities were taught how to farm, how to work along with a different tailored education for them. They learned how to make irrigation systems, learn hydroponics, along with tending to the fishery we had and even some of the cattle and gardens. Those kids got a good education because they were taught how to still be independent enough along with there disabilities. I know in public schools that there are teachers that actually care about there students and want whats best for them but stuff like the SAT’s, the forced curriculum that’s outdated or being changed to just brainwash kids into being idiots instead of free thinking critical thinkers and even out right banning of stuff like recess or more specifically making physical education way less fun by having overly safe equipment isn’t helping. I live in one of the poor districts where the public high school has fucking cops on duty to “keep the peace” cause fights break out all the time and even get organized by the students, kids who bring improvised shanks and knives cause they grew up learning how to make those. All the fucking kids from that school didn’t think they’d make anything of themselves and it showed. They smoked in class, drank, got pregnant early, teachers sleeping with students (my fucking brothers sleep with 2 of the female teachers), teachers having actually fist fights with students. It was shit! The public charter school I went to actually showed me what I could do, what I could be! I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and ended up taking up the STEM program one of the teachers had going. I got interested in construction and architecture work from that class, ended up working over the summer with the same STEM teacher to help build one of the new school buildings and even learned some electrical from him! Me and him that summer built a classroom my school mates used along with myself and I even earned a wage from doing it! I did my senior project on how we went about doing it, that it gave me confidence in myself to find a career in construction and what my plan was to get into construction. As soon as I graduated highschool I went to the trade school here and got my associates degree in construction in 2 years. I was 19 when I got my degree! And I already proved what I learned cause the construction course gave hands on approach and even gave us a good starting place if we joined the union cause a lot of alumni from the construction course are in the union and know the students that come out of it are good workers. I’m planning on giving back to my community by getting these kids with no direction SOMETHING to do. We don’t got a lot of fun places around here so I figured we should just build some. I got a lot of work ahead of me from actually building up the funds needed, making connections and trying to shape the community to WANT to change but it’s better then sitting on my ass and not doing anything. Though I’m glad someone up there in the mainland still fucking cares for any of these kids and actually wants there to be better but damn if I know how you’ll do it what with all the private companies trying to breath down public schools necks. Thing is we had to deal with some of that crap to. We had to do those stupid useless SAT’s and stuff and the thing is the students did there damndest to make sure we could pass those cause we the students knew our teachers actually fucking cared about us and we wanted to show they weren’t wasting there time. So yeah, just your students knowing you actually give more then a passing fuck about them is probably one of the best things your doing for them and maybe giving them a few nudges in alternative ways they could learn.

[@imustbecrazy5626]

Charter schools brought the gpa of Atlanta up. Mostly black communities doing well. Good

[@imustbecrazy5626]

@Fracking Saves Fracking does save. Dems want to stop fracking, coal plants and natural gas production. But no nuclear power plants. Yup. I'm crazy. Atl is better with charter.

[@imustbecrazy5626]

@Fracking Saves Your obviously a product of the public education system. Go fuck yourself.

[@saltywater5097]

@@imustbecrazy5626 don't mind him, he's just mad that black people are actually doing well.

[@wompa70]

People say charter schools only get the best and brightest kids. The “alternative” school in Coweta county is a charter school. Their graduation rate is fantastic.

[@imustbecrazy5626]

@@wompa70 Go Coweta Co.! Ga Strong All Day Long.

[@reneseguin1200]

I live in Ontario Canada. Our public schools have different school boards in one city. I as a parent can choose to send my child to a public, English Catholic,french Catholic or French Immersion. When I bought my house on my property taxes. I was given the option to chose what school board would receive my tax money. Each school board receives an X amount of money per student. While they are still top heavy and more expensive then charter schools, the boards still compete to get the most students in order to increase their funding. Hence the better the quality of education, the more students they get.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Charter schools are not a better choice. Private and charters are used as a dumping ground for kids that cannot cut it in general population schools. Most advanced degreed parents homeschool, elitist use alternative schools to keep out the poor and segregationists try to stack their schools with other similar mediocre personality disordered idiots. I don't mind if they spend their money on these schools but I don't want my money in a school with no transparency and tons of grade inflation.

[@sevenman9672]

Homeschooling also offers better results than government-run schooling!

[@Frostblast7]

Pretty much any alternative offers better results than government-schools.

[@classicjoe8014]

Most homeschooled kids in my area are illiterate...

[@wannabecarguy]

@Fracking Saves you don't sound like a jealous troll at all. Why don't you let the big kids discuss education?

[@Lue1337]

@Charlene Robertson homeschooling doesn't necessarily mean the parent is teaching the kid, you could always hire private teachers...

[@saltoftheearth6656]

Charlene Robertson Thanks for sharing....

[@shakesitoff1122]

Let the Government teach your kids, what could go wrong!!!

[@vasyak9264]

:)))

[@frankphillips6001]

@Fracking Saves We can already see the results. Across the board charter schools have a much better graduation rate, higher SAT scores, greater college admittance and much better overall discipline because students can more easily be expelled because the schools operate on a voluntary basis. That said, I'm quite sure based on your multitude of comments that you are not interested in any facts. You seem to only be concerned with trashing any opposition to Big Brother.

[@Mark-sn6kh]

Charter schools are going to teach the same thing most places. They take tax payer money... they are teaching what the state says. Plenty of research that shows theres no real difference. The biggest difference is location... just like public schools.

[@MoonlightXYZ]

@Fracking Saves If it's a scam that means they are taking your money and running with it. You put the child in charter to make sure they get a good education. Look at public, I went through public my entire life and schools didn't deal with the problems like failing test scores and students acting like a heard of circus monkeys on cocaine. I remember one day in science class I snapped on a couple of students who was clowning around and not taking the notes. After that they shut-ed up and we got our notes done. Put some authority in public schools and you will see dramatic improvements, sadly that isn't the case since teachers can't put authority in the class room.

[@Lexilove2016]

"Oh yeah see that thing that i had no part in? Yeah I did that." - The government, since the 1940s.

[@nymalous3428]

3:05 They have to take Latin!?! I took Latin in high school for two years, by choice (I had to insist, actually, since the district was trying to remove it from the schedule). It's one of the best decisions I ever made as a young person and it has actually helped me in a lot of ways, not just in my ability to comprehend what I am reading, but also in puzzling out other languages (since Latin is the root or parent language to many more modern ones). If I had a son, I'd move to Philadelphia, just to enroll him in Boys' Latin... well, probably not, but it would be a temptation. Good work, David Hardy, I hope your school flourishes! Elaine Wells, yes, you should be able to choose where your child goes to school AND the tax dollars that would fund your child's education should go with your child. I wish more people understood this. "The government monopoly never goes out of business." Keep publishing truth, John.

[@HowlingFang6258]

I went to Catholic school from K-12 and was never taught Latin. We never even used it in church. I really wish I did; learning Latin would have been extremely enlightening for me since I like learning languages. Not only could you learn other languages easier, you would also be able to read the works of all the ancient Roman figures, like a Caesar, Cato, Marcus Aurelius, and the most important, imo, Cicero.

[@mawlinzebra]

I took 4 years of Latin in highschool by choice.

[@nymalous3428]

waisodim666 I would have too, but they cut me off at two years, since that was the "minimum" colleges looked for in a second language.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

School districts have more varied learning styles and extra curricular. A community that doesn't invest in education is to blame. Not the school. You may have been interested but your people are the main ones leading the charge against bilingualism and multicultural education.

[@troywest7045]

Except religious schools, they cannot receive any tax dollars.

[@BronzeOrwin]

hopefully some day we can make another system that has kids focusing on a goal in school, instead of thousands of menial tasks all day

[@kercchan3307]

I wish the education system was flexible and allowed kids to learn different subjects at the pace they can handle and not the current factory line schools. edit for clarity. also i wish they would allow the smart students to graduate earlier and take college courses till they are old enough to go to college or a trade school or whatever the student chooses.

[@BronzeOrwin]

​@@kercchan3307 the fact that school has you braindead doing menial tasks instead of focusing on bigger projects is what bothers me the most. we need to get government far less involved than they are now

[@infamoussebsansuz5770]

3 words:Project-based Charter School

[@MOMOFCJ6]

@@infamoussebsansuz5770 5 words free roaming no schedules schools

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

People who hate higher math call it menial. People that profit from the menial math are glad they have so few people to compete with.

[@aaronmund5120]

I am a graduate of a charter. I wouldn't be where I am and have an MBA if I stayed in the district school.

[@zaidnava562]

I wish I stayed in a charter school.

[@Lithilic]

The fact that I'm floored to see young students well dressed, well behaved, and actually learning shows us just how much we've lowered our standards.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

My child wears a suit to school and office wear. It was a school choice in public schools. Our local charters chose expensive poorly put together polo shirts and khakis uniforms.

[@RebeccaCampbell1969]

Unions, making schools more expensive and specially protecting bad teachers? Where have I seen this about unions? Everywhere

[@Tlrhighside209]

The NEA, the largest teachers organization in America and it only looks out for teachers, their benefits & salary as well as working conditions. Not one thing for the Students or their quality of education. Unions are pure evil...

[@Tlrhighside209]

@Fracking Saves Trump 2020!

[@imchris5000]

why do you want to race to the bottom so bad?

[@St3wCat]

The idea that unions are bad is a common misconception, unions actually help everyone. Teachers are only paid a "fair" salary (it would be lower without unions) because of unions and are protected from unfair treatment. Unions help incentivise the best teachers to become teachers by keeping the quality of the job high. Teachers with the most experience are almost always better at teaching, and without unions many schools would fire these teachers to avoid paying higher wages and hire younger, less experienced teachers who will work for less money.

[@Tlrhighside209]

@@St3wCat you are an Idiot and possibly a teacher. So government would fire experienced teachers with a proven track record and only hire young inexperienced ones simply to save a buck? You do know that public schools are run by the government, don't you? And most school districts in the U.S. are run by Liberal Democrats. So are you saying that the Government and School Board members are evil and corrupt? Your logic is flawed in so many ways...

[@ryateo1]

On top of that, my daughter goes to a charter school that mandates parental involvement. Every parent of every student is obligated community service hours to the school. And I think it's awesome.

[@Dogman690]

You are a fucking idiot if you honestly think that parents are going to start willingly signing up for community service mate. People are lazy

[@ryateo1]

@@Dogman690 That's why it's a charter school. It's not for parents who don't fucking care. It's for parents who do, lol Don't you realize it's for us to get our kids away from parents like you. I have an ex-wife, and we both attend events and do community service for our daughter's school. So yeah, I'm a fucking idiot.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Your charter had to mandate volunteering. That's sad. Our public schools don't mandate it. Our schools are cohesive within the local communities and have partnerships with the local businesses. They volunteer without a mandate.

[@seirbhiseach]

Cyber-schooler here, its a great flexible option for kids in an awful district, a rural area, or a kid who travels a lot. I am none of these, but it has also helped me to learn at my own pace, not the pace of a teacher, or the math-wiz in a different class...

[@smithersreleasethehounds5330]

This is really where we should be headed. More flexible, personal pace, and the least expensive. Plus better for the environment, easier on parents with tight schedules, safer from a practical standpoint, and on and on. So many benefits, so little drawback..

[@seirbhiseach]

The only problem with it is that it takes a special kind of student, one who is largely self-motivated, but those that are self-motivated succeed to the highest degree

[@honestfriend767]

@@seirbhiseach right, my grade were doing fine in Covid online school except for pre cal, but every else had their grades fall. PS it is hard to learn math online because you can go to tutoring whenever you want and ask the teacher questions and most videos on KZbin choose easy problems to do videos on not the complex problems on your homework.

[@seirbhiseach]

@@honestfriend767 it wasnt terribly hard for me to learn, but I'm no math genius, it really does depend fully upon the learning environment that your specific school provides because you just have to have teachers thst understand they're trying to teach you the math CONCEPT, not simply how to do that one specific equation and sequence of equations, but the concept itself.

[@q8venom]

3 public school teachers disliked this 😡

[@davec.3198]

Millions of great teachers in public schools, hate the way they are run. They'd love to work for a great private school.

[@nicholasbeeson4999]

It's up to 72 people now.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Several million public school employees laughed at the voters that literally voted for bad management and leadership then blamed the government instead of their local level poor choices. You got more than a few thousand dislikes.. but thanks for the chuckle.

[@brettbolch6304]

Government was never intended to have a part in Education. Education is not a Constitutional right but like so many other things in America the government feels the need to control education and Americans feel entitled to it. Charter schools at least adds competition to a government monopoly on children's education.

[@gonzalogutierrez510]

@Fracking Saves it's not as if government fuck up almost everything it touches, is it?

[@microcolonel]

There's a good argument for a common baseline educational funding target, even for kids who aren't your own. All things considered, it is better for each of us that every child has access to education of some standard. Primary and secondary education are generally pretty cheap if run correctly. Where exactly that funding goes is another question.

[@josszarnick2393]

Fracking Saves How is he dumb? He is factually correct.

[@alpennyworth8770]

Gonzalo Gutierrez Ignore him. He's trying to troll everyone.

[@goldfishi5776]

Brett Bolch That moment when the government creates a barrier to entry in an economic market, you realize that government *is* the monopoly. They should be taken to court for violation of antitrust laws. It’s the same situation.

[@laurensimendinger8887]

I go to a charter school and although I don’t have many friends I’m a LOT happier than I was at my public school.

[@aperson7151]

Same. Class sizes are smaller and the teachers actually want to help you. At my charter school, all the seniors go to college after graduation but at my old public school, making it to sophomore year was seen as a massive achievement🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@28ebdh3udnav]

When private business fail to deliver their services, the media will criticize them. When a public service fails, the solution is always nore funding instead of reform.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Businesses always want to shutdown schools. I don't trust a business that wants to steal my tax money and shutdown my tax payer funded schools.

[@Username-ky3lr]

Good to see I am early. Many of the problems with gov't schools in America are exactly what Australian gov't schools have. Keep up the great work John! I've become a big fan of your work recently. From Australia

[@Username-ky3lr]

@Fracking Saves Lol I am not at a gov't school

[@winkydinks4770]

What are Australian schools like?

[@winkydinks4770]

@Fracking Saves not u I'm talking bout @Konata Izumi

[@alexency5685]

Americans speak English though... so do Australians. You’re obviously trying to sound smart but instead making yourself sound dumb.

[@Username-ky3lr]

@@winkydinks4770 They make us wear uniforms and school starts for us in January and finishes in December. Also, we don't have middle school we only have Primary which is like elementary and High school. Primary starts at Kindergarten (5-6 years old) and finishes in Year 6 (11-12 years old) Highschool starts at Year 7 and finishes in Year 12

[@ephanhymerable]

These young men have something special! I have zero doubt these 2 will be famous for accomplishing great things one day.

[@EmperorHelix]

When I was in public Elementary School, I did very well, but I was constantly bullied. Then when my father died in the fifth grade, I completely gave up on everything. I went to a gifted School, when my grades never went above an 80. Unbeknownst to me, that gifted School began accepting all students because New York City decide to end gifted school programs.

[@EmperorHelix]

@Fracking Saves no u

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Bullies are powerseeking narcissistic violent children and adults. You needed counselors at your school and a better community environment. We dealt with our bullies. Having parent volunteers helped immensely but having knowledgeable diagnosticians was the best.

[@ryanjones7681]

5am and a new stossel video came out... I'll sleep later.

[@billydarley6925]

shhhh, hes sleeping now.

[@ITPalGame]

It isn't really new. If you search you can find the same report a few years ago.

[@lunaflamed]

RIGHT!!!

[@boulderbash19700209]

His videos always made my blood boiled. I can't sleep with that.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Said no human ever.

[@megabrawndo]

This is so true it hurts!

[@thatonedudebutwho9919]

I'm currently going to a charter school and if you wanna get you're highschool degree you have to get into a college,army,or trade school

[@Dogman690]

Which is bullshit imo

[@jaycweingardt11]

Lets do more of this, the govt is selfish and can never do things properly.

[@jaycweingardt11]

@Fracking Saves what?

[@jaycweingardt11]

@Fracking Saves i seriously can't figure out what you mean, are you insulting me? Because thats not an insult because its not true... I also never went to charter school. Did your education fail you? Could explain your projecting, Maybe clean up your house before insulting others... Or at least make a good argument. Either way, please improve yourself for the good of everyone because i can feel you dragging the world down with your mindset.

[@TonyRule]

@@jaycweingardt11 Seems he's a catch phrase spammer with no actual arguments. Best he's just treated like he's just the clown he is.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Thank you! Several of us have been studying Kentucky's public school system and trying to improve our schools. It's very frustrating work. The system is designed not to be accountable and the only answer to failure is "we need to adequately fund public education", which explains why we now spend three times as much after adjusting for inflation than we did in the 1970s with slightly worse academic performance, during a period when vast improvements in information technology have made all related fields much less expensive. The more I see of public education, the more it looks like institutionalized child abuse. Most teachers are well intentioned and they try their best. The problems are structural, and are largely in the central office.

[@candylee11]

This so good! Especially for the kids. It's all about politics and the system trying to keep jobs. For doing a bad job.

[@goldfishi5776]

Latin is used in science math *and also a necessity in Law and also Medical fields* and is the root of so many foreign languages to include our own. When I was in high school I wanted to learn Latin but we only had Spanish or German.. like I’m ever gonna work for Germany.. so instead I bought Latin books and took a vocational class in place of the foreign language. *hell I would have rather learned Sanskrit or Arabic or a Cyrillic language than the garbage they force on us. ITS NOT INTERESTING!

[@kf7721]

I think Latin would be good in order to better understand and learn new words because the conponets of the words would be familiar and understood.

[@leejamestheliar2085]

Ordo ab chao?

[@extragroovy735]

Well German and Spanish are the second, third most common languages in the US, so I think that's why it's taught

[@gareginasatryan6761]

Latin was the literary language of Rome. It’s questionable whether is was a real language spoken at all. The vernacular of the empire was Greek. I laughed when the characters in passion of the Christ were speaking broken Latin.

[@AuraAcorn]

As someone who goes to a charter high school, I can agree with completely. Test scores for the school are at least 10% higher then the high school I would have gone to. It also allows for much more flexibility with what we as the students are able to do as recreational activities (Our normal school day ends at 1:30PM, but we have Conservatory from 2:00-5:00, which includes choosable activities like writing, art, band, dancing, etc.) Back in public middle school, I have been neglecting to do any homework and although I was thought of as a bright person from my peers, I was getting not very much work done, and I felt no regrets. Now that I have moved to my Charter School, the difference is as clear as night and day. I now offer to do extra work for others, and my house/personal life has never been so cleared up because I have been that much more motivated to work towards my goal since I realised how little work I ever did before. In Conclusion: Thank you Charter schools!

[@normalhuman9260]

Your comment is about the only one on here not hit up by the members of the teachers Union. I wonder why they haven't jumped on yours yet? Aw wait,cause what could they say against it, lol. Thank you for sharing,thank you for seeing the value in hard work. I wish you nothing but the best,and you will earn it. You will! Good luck with your studies.

[@michaelgrimes5588]

My mom did the same to me to get into a charter school...did eighth grade twice..you arent alone brother!!

[@1new-man]

Stossel /always a truthful heavy hitter! truth hurts but indeed sets you free!

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

He was paid for charter bias...

[@jileel]

Teaching latin is great! It'll help them learn other languages down the road. So lucky!

[@humakausarshaikh210]

I never thought Charter schools were better than public until I worked in one ( Rocketship in Concord). I could not believe the effort they put in each child. The results were amazing!! I love charter school now!!

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

I've worked in multiple charters and public schools. Charters are filled with expelled students.

[@KevinMcMullen.]

My kids are in Charter School. They actually love going to school.

[@redhiney6666]

I’m glad good people are actually trying to help the kids

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Charter schools aren't helping. They kick out kids that need help.

[@bt5270]

Stossel delivers.

[@noahhowellstone1264]

With the new society with missing parents a chatter school is perfect to be able to raise the kids

[@tolfan4438]

It's amazing that there's actually a parent in Philadelphia that doesn't know the schools are zoned and you can't just pick the one you want.

[@LiamSGue]

In Latin, you learn as much English as you do Latin. It also helps you learn the Romance languages

[@wilsoncrunch1330]

I took latin in High School and can read and understand Italian and can read and understand enough of Spanish and french to get around in those languages.

[@skapunkoialternativeliving6522]

Also lots of public schools do get a bad rap... because they keep saying that kids don't learn that that's not true a lot of kids do make it... but like I said in my earlier comment it depends on the kids if they want to learn or not the choice is always yours... because what you love now good or bad will determine how your life turns out tomorrow the choice like I said it's yours...

[@seirbhiseach]

Don't worry, if a kid doesn't learn the way or at the rate they make him, just throw him in special ed and get more grant money for having so many kids in such a specialized program

[@skapunkoialternativeliving6522]

@@seirbhiseach that's a good point

[@onemoredenise5521]

My son is taking a business course this year and they are running the school store during that period this semester. Well, the school told them they can't sell food anymore because it's taking away from the cafeterias profits.

[@iamtheangiechrist1090]

Thank everything that is good and green in this world for ppl like David Hardy.

[@Mapdotnowhere]

Parents should own the responsibility of child education not government

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

You voted for government..own your bad voting choices.

[@mclostinthewoods]

Nothing highlights the failures of public education like the success of private and charter institutions.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

You voted and caused those failures. Basically you are saying just give funding to people with knowledge about education would be better than letting businesses and lawyers handle it.

[@790robothead6]

There's a school down the road from me with billions of dollars backing it. Any kid that went there and had a 3.5 GPA or higher got a full scholarship. Somehow most of the money got pissed away. Billions. It became a charter school about 5 years ago and the staff parking lot became 3 times bigger than the school itself and completely filled with cars. Apparently you don't need any teaching background and can just be a random granola mom to teach charter. For over 100 years, besides the handful of teachers, only three people ran that school. Then the remaining money got pissed away. Now it's closing down. I have no idea what the hell was going on there. Any school, charter or otherwise needs tons reforming.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Bloated admin not student population.

[@scottgibson7893]

I believe the performance gap between normal public schools and the charter/private schools is the discipline and expectations they are allowed to enforce. These are the kids that would be in the top 15% of their public school because the parents hold them accountable and have higher expectations. Start allowing public schools to enforce the same standards and hold parents accountable for the behavior of kids and you’d see a big improvement in public schools.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

You would have to get governors like Abbott to stop creating poverty pockets and isolating rich. Economic terrorism is creating broken children. They cannot function in school.

[@StoicKiwi]

Love the schools topic; powerful video. Keep it up John!

[@bezllama3325]

I'm in a public school district that is considered great so I can't really relate but I have heard education is getting worsr

[@mspiller95]

John Stossel is an absolute unit of a man.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

That is a weird thing to say.

[@rays7437]

I met a "teacher" from the LAUSD who told me she was an educator for the Los Angeles Union School District for the past twenty four years. Unfortunately what came out of her mouth was, "I have did a education for the Los Angeles skoo disrick for the last twenty four year."

[@skapunkoialternativeliving6522]

And because these charter schools a poor man's private schools... they act like it and they teach kids much better than public schools... but then again it depends on the kids themselves... because some will learn.. and some will not learn... so in some cases Public Schools also can work it depends on the person who wants to learn or not...

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

"Students in charter schools experience smaller gains in achievement than they would have had they remained in the traditional public schools.” -Ladd

[@skapunkoialternativeliving6522]

What you have to realize.. is the charter schools in the cities like New York or New Jersey ...is basically a poor man's private school .that's basically what it is..

[@enrique1422]

I went to one of the worst high schools in my school district, thank god i never have to go threw that again

[@gregwall6553]

We looked at public schools around us and it was obvious they had no control over the students. Sent my son to private school, never saw the 70,000 x 8 yrs from public school.

[@CharlesLumia]

The people should be in charge of the tax dollars spent on their children's education. Vouchers that can be used at whatever school they wish to attend and are accepted into.

[@CharlesLumia]

@Fracking Saves please leave your union and stop hurting average folks to benefit yourself.

[@seirbhiseach]

I mean, compared to your effortless execution of the office, it can't be THAT hard, right?

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

They can spend their voucher where ever. No taxpayer should foot the bill for subpar charter schools.

[@troywest7045]

Not religious schools

[@SwankyBanana]

Reminder that America led the world in education until the government opened Public Schools. Now we only lead in University education, but it has absurd costs due to the government subsidizing them.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Before public schools there were community schools and food/housing plus pay was given by community to teachers. Government regulated schools via vote by citizens Imagine voters actually mad at the politicians they placed in office.

[@SecretSquirrelProduc]

Florida has a bunch of charter schools. Many of which have failed so miserably many kids had to redo years of learning.

[@DoctorSpicy]

I love this and the stories Stossel delivers. Imagine all the media outlets that never gave him a chance.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Probably because bad journalism can easily be fact checked.

[@WeAreWafc]

The Bible should have had a Stossel chapter in it.

[@bigredone1030]

Borussia Doormat easy there edgelord

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

That is some bot stupidity.

[@troywest7045]

Tax dollars don't go to Bible thumpers academy.

[@pimperish666]

“If I pay taxes then those taxes go to public schools. But if my child goes to a charter school then that’s where my taxes should go.” Well, I don’t have kids and my taxes go to public schools (which are garbage schools teaching illegals) so why do I and others have to keep funding them?

[@peteranon8455]

A lot of people only see the side of the argument when it benefits them. I still support charter schools, but find it funny that this particular parent can't understand that "anyone else" doesn't want to pay taxes to support her lifestyle.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Charter schools get funding for immigrants. Funny they don't mention that.

[@troywest7045]

Your tax dollars should follow your child to it's school, unless it's a religious school, they don't get tax dollars period.

[@domenicobertone1807]

Lots of love from south italy Thanks

[@tylergriffin333]

John and team, awesome job breaking it down as always. 👍👍👍👍 Keep up the great work.

[@CapeSIX]

Private business always does a better job than government run.

[@tsiozo211]

Fracking Saves that’s a stupid rebuttal that has zero to do with the topic. If a charter school can do a better job, cheaper, then why are you against them. Every government run school I know of is bureaucratic, wasteful, and less effective.

[@Vo_Siri]

Private schools don’t do a better job than government run education. They perform well because they’re either obscenely expensive, or funded by other corporations or religious entities. Either way, there’s mountains more money involved. If they had to run on the same budget that right-wingers force onto Public Schools, they’d fail immediately.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Absolutely false. Businesses run on profit first and today's business owners are very biased and immoral. No more capitalism in our schools.

[@TheChinBurton]

We need more of this and less of the public lawless school ran by kids. I don't agree with any type of bloat like forcing Latin or anything not really related to getting your career going...but it looks good and I like school vouchers idea.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

You get out of public schools what you put in. You don't get a say in charter schools.

[@alcoleman5261]

Our country need more people like Mr. David Hardy. He is the hope for our nation's future.

[@prophetic0311]

I worked at a charter school in Cleveland a few years ago, those parents didn't have much, but they were, for the most part, engaged.

[@ETuss713]

What? School vouchers? Competition drives better products? Who would have thought!?! Now apply the same government nonsense to healthcare...are you sure you want that folks?

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Charters aren't competing with schools. They don't offer all the extra curricular activities and don't provide resources for special needs. There's no competition.

[@mrow7598]

Sanders "We need to be more like Norway!" Norway has lots and lots of charter schools.... Will he allow that model from Norway? Heck no..

[@TheRisky9]

Bernie Sanders has a dream of what America should be like, but then does the opposite.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Norway doesn't have any charter schools. Charter schools must be desperate if they are willing to spread easily checked lies.

[@troywest7045]

Norway wouldn't have faith based schools. So not a great comparison.

[@TheDragonCat99]

The director talking about how they learn Latin because “it’s hard, and life is hard” reminded me of why I’m currently learning the programming language Lisp is school. I’m never gonna use it, unless I go work for Grammarly I guess, but that’s not the point. It’s so different from most other programming languages that it really works your brain and encourages true learning, not just memorization.

[@danhoang6335]

I whole heatedly agree, our property tax should be distributed to all the kids at school age so they can choose which school they want to attend. I paid a lot of tax to local public schools but sent my children to private schools on my own dime because the quality of education are much higher. The private schools operate on much lower dollars amount spent to each child per year than that of public schools nearby yet still be able to maintain higher education standard because of the efficiency.

[@troywest7045]

Just to clarify, religious charter schools are not eligible for tax dollars.

[@xallthatremains8339]

Unionized public school teachers absolutely hate charter schools where they are actually held accountable for the quality of their curriculum

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

They don't. They can get comparable pay and benefits. Charter schools have high turnover in student population and will terminate teachers.

[@donnajoseph-barford1076]

Homeschool is the way to go. Keep kids out of the Globalist Satanic people.

[@aperson7151]

It doesn't really help with social skills. Apart from church and school, I don't really go anywhere else. Most people at church are not within my age range so socializing is hard. At school, I can easily socialize and it boosts my confidence.

[@troywest7045]

Globalist Satanic people? Right then, we know you're a Trumper.

[@bluegriffen88]

Sometimes I don't have the words for how much I appreciate this channel.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

It's a biased commercial fir charters. He forgot he was against them when he worked major Station.

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

In the UK you get to enroll to any school no matter where it is in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and its all because schools are funded by the Department for Education which is a central government body but the schools are owned by the local council (e.g. London Borough of Croydon) or the county council (e.g. Surrey County Council) except for academies which are owned by private companies and most 6th form colleges are independently owned (e.g. South Thames Colleges Group) and all are inspected by Ofsted which gets to close down schools or colleges (or at least punish them I think) if they are too bad and don't seem to care about their students.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Conservatives try to kill education in the states. Look at all the bias in Stossel video.

[@Haseo92]

Public school teachers make plenty already, don't let them fool you

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

It isn't about compensation. It's adding so much more responsibility, extra duties and more credentialing to keep up. Every trade person gets extra pay for more duties. Teachers have to fight and strike for .

[@AYVABTU001]

And people still want socialism...

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Charter schools are socialism, lmao! Charter school education apparently sucks.

[@scoopmac8580]

Amazing video John. Always love watching!

[@talclipse]

Love your videos.keep them coming brother!

[@Alpha-ro8sc]

The most feared 9 words in education. (Everything) I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Reagan was from the government and he denied you medical help.

[@haydenzielinski2168]

I don’t know about every charter school but I’ve gone to one since 6th grade (I’m a senior) and it has been an absolutely awful experience. If you plan on sending your kid to a charter school please do research beforehand.

[@TheFoolintherainn]

That's a terrible, because you're not helping anyone - can you edit your comment and be a bit more specific?

[@YPEFFLE]

I'm in Philadelphia and my daughter goes to a charter school. I couldn't be happier even though my neighborhood school is one of the best in the city. Class size of 1st grade public school:30 kids Class size of my daughters charter school: 17 Public schools in Philadelphia are beyond horrible (I personally attended up to 6th grade then we moved to the suburbs)

[@sixsixST2]

My wife is a first grade teacher in a public school. We send our kids to a private school. We have a couple of magnet schools, but you still have to live in a certain area to go to them.

[@jacktribble5253]

I have watched your work for many years and I have found it all educational. You may be one of the only real journalists left. Anywhere.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

He was against them before he was paid to pimp them.

[@fatherof4kids]

My son went to a charter school 9-12th grade. They helped him a lot more than public school.

[@mybackhurts7020]

I work at Southern California school District and the past two years we have had a massive amount of kids going home school

[@gabsclark9524]

My kids go to a 4star charter in Las Vegas. We are living in a motel because my children need to be close to their school. I get an alert if a homework assignment is missing or incomplete. My children will never go to another public school. My daughter is bound for Juilliard.

[@DracComb]

One of my dad's childhood friends worked as an assistant director for special ed, retired with pension. Got rehired to the same job and was getting a pension and full pay.

[@seahil]

Brilliant! Great as always John!

[@thebourg]

Charter schools aren't all they ate cracked up to be, but they are better than public schools. It all depends on how the charters are managed. You still need competent people in charge

[@madison7920]

I go to a charter school and I’m in 8th grade, learning physics, algebra 1, and Spanish 2.. I totally agree with this! It was so, so, so hard to keep the pace but if you try really hard, you’ll get there

[@niki_99]

Hear! Hear! Thanks John Stossel. I teach at a charter and I can attest, we are challenged to put so much focus on how at a small school we have the ability to personally know all individual students. This makes a big difference for many students.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Charter schools write the curriculum. Students aren't challenged.

[@troywest7045]

That's great, no faith based schools should ever receive a penny of tax dollars though.

[@mojopare8954]

One of the country's biggest and best funded unions - NEA, the National Education Association, is reflecting their vested interests by fighting charter schools and individual vouchers with a plethora of less than accurate aspersions. Public education is currently a monopoly often does not serve the best interest of students.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

Charter schools are a for profit business. That makes them a monopoly when they are fighting private and public school systems to be the only one.

[@troywest7045]

Faith based charter schools should never receive tax dollars

[@mikeg9284]

God bless you Mr. Hardy!

[@snakedike]

I attended a school board meeting with my wife who works for a charter school that was petitioning to open facilities to support students they already have within the district boundary. A teacher from the public school argued from the podium that the you couldn't get competent teachers for the $56K the charter school paid vs the $90K the average teacher in his district made . He actually got a round of applause. Odd given the charter kids easily outperform the public school kids.

[@sweetsendaedreamr]

students in charter schools experience smaller gains in achievement than they would have had they remained in the traditional public schools.”