LET'S ARGUE: People Will Listen to Kendrick Lamar in 200 Years

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[@BT405]

Part of the reason classical music is so widely known but not connected with the composer is because it's just instrumental. It's not like Beethoven starts spittin over the 5th Symphony. It's a lot easier for an instrumental to worm its way into the collective consciousness without necessarily knowing who made it

[@gabsnandes7818]

Besides, it's easier to spread, I'm from Brazil, i know a bit of English, i get what is in Kendrick's lyrics, what he is telling, most people here don't, so a lot of the value of the song is lost, classic music is pretty much the same value all around the globe because it is instrumental

[@plplplplplpl7336]

I remember thou was conflicted

[@traplover6357]

Or... a person wanted to create a Western Canon that disproportionately filled with white, German composers, and wanted it to spread to increase Western hegemony.

[@galihindra7133]

@@plplplplplpl7336 misusing thy influence

[@morgloracle9798]

@@galihindra7133 Perchance I did the same

[@TheyreStillOutThere]

“Audiophiles don't use their equipment to listen to music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their equipment”. -Alan Parsons

[@gabsnandes7818]

Audiophiles can be so annoying, like, you get something from apple, Sennheiser or any mainstream type thing and they go like "You dumb child, you should get the fumblefarts 69T imported from Cambodia for the most bang for your buck, and get the most sound stage, you are soo dumb" and act obnoxious

[@USALeonHeart]

The fact that that's an *Alan Parsons* quote says a lot since his records were part of the class of 70's records that were often used to help sell hi-fi's.

[@jeffrey_jacobs]

@@gabsnandes7818 this comment is fucking hilarious 😂

[@gabsnandes7818]

@Codex bro, chill, it's mainly people on comment sections ripping on people for going for the more mainstream thing, not the most expensive, and it is not meant to be taken seriously, and it's not asking for someone's opinion it's someone at random going at it, just because they talked about the thing they got, and at the end of the day audio is very different from computers, mainly because of preference, some people like things like extra bass, others don't, and it goes on, and at the end of the day it's a hobbie, most people live just fine with a 20 something dollar cabled earbud like a kz

[@thefinkie6459]

@Codex I'm glad you've had good experiences, but I'ma be honest, every audiophile I've come across has been EXACTLY as Gabs Nandes described. There's a reason the word "audiophile" often has negative connotations.

[@Ppppftt]

Let's agree: Let's argues should be longer because it's one of the best formats on this channel.

[@ItDoesntMatterReally]

I'd argue that they should be more frequent. I'm fine for them being around 10 minutes or so, just do them more often.

[@adichatterjee]

Patreon

[@aandwdabest]

YUP

[@countyfacts6920]

I actually... disagree. I don't think they should be longer than 15 minutes, but I do think they should be more frequent.

[@PatoGuzmanAd]

I want IT'S FOOD.

[@mars2690]

“Grimes made you happy, but she is not your savior” - Kendrick in 200 years

[@ratave6472]

Bitch. Are you happy for me?

[@emilioramirez502]

you mean unknown artist in 200 years

[@jakel4316]

People will still be upset about MBDTF 6/10 in 200 years

[@randomwhitedude9227]

no one will know what tf KZbin was in 200 years

[@judahunderwood8433]

I will

[@badcaseofthebajabada]

The Jay Z Monster bars will age incredibly over the next 200 years

[@Jack-zj1ug]

@@randomwhitedude9227 not a chance that your statement is true. KZbin is king

[@andresboehmwald9171]

​@@Jack-zj1ugbut cable Tv isn't that old either lol youtube will definetly disappear in 200 years, in fact the internet as we know it today will not be the same in 200 if the humanity survives global warming

[@scarecrow8515]

Every time I see some take that treats Kendrick like he's the second coming of Jesus all I can think of is that one post from the Kendrick subreddit that was just: "Anybody else love Kendrick so much they get starstruck when they meet a black person?"

[@lxshya3992]

ड़

[@timetravelingoldman6839]

Holy fuck lmao

[@th3on3thatb3atu]

Lmao dude had to be like 50 there ain’t no fuckin way

[@arctictropic1147]

Reddit is just... Something

[@motelmicrowave]

We do live in a time where everyone swears their favorite rapper is the chosen one that will be remembered like a Mozart of Chopin

[@5_Theories]

1 year later Kendrick Lamar is No. 1 on the Billboard 100 & being played non-stop every day in the name of besting a toronto rapper

[@e-o-o]

Here in the futuristic hood we listen to Kendrick’s posthumous album Bad Kid N.I.C.E City and To Protect a Caterpillar

[@LotsofLatte]

I like how you kept the TuPAC motif

[@nyeb_9120]

@@LotsofLatte Not a motif

[@dwaynekeenum1916]

@@nyeb_9120 L

[@thefinkie6459]

The audiophile comment actually has a really good point. When I talk to audiophiles, they REFUSE to listen to music that isn't 96kHz/32-bit, for example. Their systems are so high-end and their ears are so trained to hearing those slight improvements that they can't stand listening to anything lower. The problem is, most artists don't even RECORD at that high definition. So what you're really doing is limiting yourself to a tiny group of musicians that happen to be as fussy as you are... and yeah, that just doesn't seem as enjoyable.

[@jeffb1430]

They also refuse to listen to the results of actual controlled tests that show all that high bit rate shit is completely pointless. There's a reason actual recording engineers can't be bothered.

[@DEADPOTENTIAL]

You wouldn’t understand peasant

[@paradise_valley]

also love paying attention to this audiophile stuff as much as I can but most bubblegum pop records and certain genres lend themselves to sounding decent with some compression and lo-fi vibes so they don't come off as sterile or robotic or monotonous. Sonic variation in service of artistic intention is one of the reasons people go to live shows in stadiums with crappy sound quality and middling vocal performances. Hard agree on hi-fidelity audio products and streaming services becoming the norm but not all of this matters if the music is satisfyingly listenable. That said I still appreciate my progressive neo-classical alternative metal jazz jam bands that work really hard to make their sound mixes pop and consistently maintain a level of clarity - because that's a creative choice that such artists intend to make their music sound clear with all 50 different layers of instruments.

[@MegaFriendlyCreeper]

We will all be dead in a climate related cataclysm in 200 years, not listening to Kendrick.

[@martymcflyy6775]

The cockroaches will be listening to Kendrick

[@guydoodson3714]

Hot take

[@LucasSilva-zk2jv]

Damn, thinking about that is kinda crazy, about 200 years there'll be no more humans in Earth.

[@ryanjohnson1758]

Those couple of scientist in that bunker in Switzerland gonna be blasting To Pimp a Butterfly until humanity calls it quit. 🇨🇭

[@mmaksymko]

idk i will probably be killed by russians so i kinda don't care about climate

[@ianbyrne465]

Let’s argue: most of these takes this episode were very bad, which is good because this show is about unpopular opinions, and it’s good to see people actually post something that may not just be accepted by everyone

[@Aburner960]

I Agree

[@adichatterjee]

I am weee

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I mean there’s a difference between someone being disagreeable and people being fucking purposefully contrarian of just shit. “Uhm, actually. Poop tastes delicious. Y’all are just cowards, don’t @ me”.

[@nt1331tn]

This is your month bro!

[@schmeighty1586]

yeah especially the fart old head

[@MaxMax-zo9vq]

That Kendrick take was so confidently wrong that it was almost admirable.

[@kevinbodniza8559]

I know right lol very cute

[@traplover6357]

I mean, elitists and gatekeepers making music a class thing such as composers in the Classical Period sucks

[@goh02]

@@traplover6357 Requiem, Moonligt Sonata, Storm, Valkyries and many others classics are Dope, I think that aged pretty well.

[@trey6555]

that take was so trash, like mfs still look at painters art from 500 years ago and usually still associate it with the artist because they have a unique style, kendrick and other artists have their own artstyles so its kind of hard to not associate the songs with the artist especially in music where they rap and you can hear the voice

[@TheInsaniacGuy]

The most adorable aspect of that horrific take was assuming Earth would still be a thing in 2 centuries.

[@yodadback]

They are not shoving Beethoven down our throats any time soon. Anyone who listens to classical music either studies it or appreciates it which many musicians do

[@rockifythis]

Fantano has some weird bias towards classical... He likes jazz oldcats like Miles and Coltrane, he should like classical too, i dont get it

[@yodadback]

@@rockifythis yeah. I've been a subscriber for 7 years and he doesn't mention classical too often. Even guys like Miles and Coltrane took a great deal of influence from classical composers like Chopin and Mozart.

[@mattneuberger5529]

I often feel really pretentious when fantano talks ab jazz records, because i don’t want to gatekeep, but it feels like he doesn’t GET IT, like GET IT get it. He sort of dismisses some of my favorite jazz coming out today like Esperanza Spalding, or Snarky Puppy, and I can’t for the life of me understand how you could like some of the jazz he supports and not like those records. But yeah his classical expertise is not great lmao (which is fine btw)

[@goh02]

@@rockifythisFantano had white guilty, can’t handle that all white Europeans and “oppressors” taken title “Classic Music”.

[@arctictropic1147]

@@mattneuberger5529 I just don't understand why he has a distaste for some section of jazz. I don't want to believe its "melon doesn't understand music theory" because there's a lot of jazz records that sound amazing even without having to knowledge of music theory. Has he ever gone in depth with why he believes this way?

[@omegasauce6172]

I’ll still be around to listen to him

[@becketclark9942]

Ok OmegaSauce

[@theviscount4622]

@@becketclark9942 Ok Becket Clark

[@Perry....]

@@theviscount4622 Ok The Viscount

[@travisscottburber5719]

@@Perry.... Ok UsualWhiteGuy

[@nate7418]

@@travisscottburber5719 Ok Travis Scott Burber

[@Lucols4]

Classical artists songs are that ingrained in our culture purely because of their melodies and their use in pop culture. The fact that they aren't sung is the main reason why they are so eternal. You can insert them in dozens of different situations without diverting the focus of said ones. That's the reason neither Kendrick nor any other artist will reach the level of permanence that Mozart did for instance.

[@magicwindow6682]

also with music that is instrumental makes it inherently more universal with it not being tied down to a language that might not be as common or exist at all in the far future

[@goh02]

Requieren had lyrics.

[@TheLily97232]

We should all watch the video about how our music is built on super specific people from Europe and question more why we think one thing is amazing/the best. He does have a point imo

[@DCshandle]

@@TheLily97232 music is a philosophy

[@thepeanuts55]

I would love a future where the crazy frog ringtone is regarded as high art

[@theviscount4622]

in 200 years we will be living on a planet that we no longer recognize, there will be robot kendricks and robot drakes fighting our wars instead of young men and women.

[@alexmacdonald9182]

robot stop

[@versusx1384]

what about robot jack harlows

[@matthewhouck9395]

We will be on Mars

[@patrickklein1023]

There will only be lizard. All will regress to lizard. Happy lizards.

[@runnersdialzero1244]

Pretty funny that you think this planet and the human race will still exist in two hundred years.

[@giascle]

If any kind of current music is going to be revered in 200 years, it's film scores. No lyrics to confine it to a certain language (for the most part), heard by millions upon millions of people around the world, associated with other cultural landmarks that will likely stand the test of time, etc. Beethoven has a lot more in common with John Williams than Kendrick Lamar.

[@sown3476]

For many of the same reasons I'd say videogame soundtracks will come to be greatly respected as well. A lot of classical music comes from the scores of many great theater plays!

[@SteeZy644]

Facts, Time from Hans Zimmer will definitely have a longer shelf life than the top 5 rappers rn

[@pyrotechnic96]

@@sown3476 I think the fact that video game soundtracks are defacto in the public domain (they are not copyright striked on youtube) will 100% boost their relevance for future generations.

[@delrioway6]

Yeah, to add to that I think Kendrick’s music is so topical. It definitely speaks to his and others experiences at this time, but in 200 years, I’d like to think our society will have progressed to doing things at least a little differently. Just like I imagine that many cultural issues from 1822 have either been overcome or changed massively, and many many new ones have appeared as well.

[@businessbuilder92]

English has been around for a long time there is poetry from other cultures and times that people still relate to and enjoy so it doesn't have to be an instrumental to stand the test of time it just has to be potent content

[@phantom-pr6op]

Man... it's kind of hard to picture music in 200 years. Everything seems so well preserved since the 50s. And at least since the Beatles I feel like it still has some life in the mainstream. Would like to see what it's like when the 50s and 60s stuff hits 100 years before I try to predict what 200 years will do to Kendrick. Really curious how the Beatles will look 200 years after Sgt Pepper because I don't think the idea of "This is the best with what we were limited to in studio" will ever lose its appeal to me. While I can't find the same interest with music that was preserved on a sheet of paper or even many early albums that weren't necessarily thinking about production.

[@geoffreybrunell5592]

Yeah it's weird to think that even the oldest critically-acclaimed albums aren't even 70 years old yet

[@boblanaranja]

One way to get a sense of where the Beatles catalog will be when it hits 100 years is to look at some of the old country blues artists from the 1930s (Robert Johnson, Charley Patton, Leadbelly etc.). Those recordings are foundational to the majority of modern music but I doubt the average music consumer today is familiar with the music. At best you'll probably get "oh that sounds like that zeppelin song." The Beatles (or for that matter Kendrick) will end up the same way - forgotten by the masses & only remembered as old melodies by a select few. Kinda like classical now.

[@phantom-pr6op]

@@boblanaranja Thank you!! I wasn't aware. I'll do that! :)

[@keihues]

Cole Porter wrote a ton of songs in the 30s that many people still recognize (and perform) today.

[@phantom-pr6op]

@@keihues What are some examples? I might recognize covers :)

[@GizmoFan1]

There's also the problem that audiophile equipment can make some music sound worse. Producers know to mix for the widest audience, and something that's optimized for AirPods and cheap bluetooth speakers doesn't necessarily sound perfect on a set of Sennheisers or Focals. Not to mention some of the best music is recorded like ass and that becomes way more obvious on high end equipment, and not in a good way.

[@KingLoop13]

This extends to almost all music nowadays. I listen to vinyl (albeit rarely now that I’m away from home and my setup is there) and I almost exclusively get records that are before the digital era. Albums today are all digitally engineered and compressed so listening on vinyl is just literally listening to a high resolution digital file. ESPECIALLY bumping any rap without real instrumentation. Don’t get me wrong, I still get records for contemporary artists who I love, but it’s way more about the presentation for me than the record at that point.

[@hobermaas4166]

​@@KingLoop13 I share this sentiment. Listening to newer releases on vinyl is tedious and absolutely not worth it. Older releases have their appeal because it's a whole experience. That said, it only applies to certain genres of music. I can't bring myself to listen to any classical music on vinyl, it's just a miserable experience.

[@AliceYobby]

@@hobermaas4166 is this because you don’t like classical? I don’t understand if it’s something else as classical recording techniques can be top notch

[@hobermaas4166]

@@AliceYobby Quite the contrary, I do enjoy classical, but the limitations of vinyl, especially in the low end, don't really cut it for me. The odd crackle here and there also take away from the enjoyment in this particular context. It's just a nitpick honestly, I just prefer a clean, properly mastered digital version.

[@Spectre0799]

Kendrick Lamar will easily be remembered longest out of any rapper of this age Except maybe drake but we'll see how popularity and longevity intersect

[@Ben-cn4ke]

Kanye is definitely going to be remembered more

[@sovietelmo3000]

@@Ben-cn4ke facts

[@joedorben3504]

Popularity and longevity are inexorably linked. Drake will definitely be remembered longer. It's not a question of 'quality', or whatever else people try to make it about.

[@solaakastopthe3254]

@@ralissedarysv2497 L

[@dominiquesmith7680]

@@philly_sports1558 Such an awful take

[@ThiscouldbeaName]

completely agree with that audiophile take. Once i got more into audio technology, vinyl etc. etc., i soon realized its like a freaking rabbithole. always searching for the next 'upgrade', where the improvement in actual quality only improves ever more slightly. was way too focused on speaker placement and all that. while i do think its important, you still have to sit back at the end of the day and ask what you're trying to get out of it, and that is enjoying the actual music you want to listen to.

[@polkaputo3226]

any audiophile vinyl collector will tell you vinyls played on expensive equipment don't inherently sound better than other mediums. it heavily depends on how the music itself was recorded and mastered. audiophiles spend crazy money to hear the music as it was intended to be heard, as closely as possible. that doesn't mean it's better, necessarily, it just means it's more true to the way the producers wanted you to hear it. and it shouldn't be out of ego or to feel superior or whatever, it's just a genuine fascination with sound.

[@caidynwastaken]

I think the "new classical music" is going to be all the dad rock and pop music that have been used in everything for 4+ decades I'm imagining back in black played in a "classical villain music" in like 2260 (assuming humans live that long (I doubt it))

[@airyanawaejah2323]

I Don't think western civilization is able to survive another 30 years let alone another 200 years.

[@jamiehovis7722]

the new classical music will be jazz. rap is the new classic rock. the later genres are simple dance music at its core, the former are intellectual serious arts

[@musichere3287]

Another big reason records are released at midnight is because Thursday midnight is when the tracking week for the Billboard charts and other charts starts. When you release it at that time, you can get higher first week sales and higher song debuts for the charts

[@Free-4554]

I love how the mr krabs question was more interesting then his actual question

[@MaxMax-zo9vq]

I’m so glad Denzel had the exact same take I did when Donda and CLB dropped

[@malum9478]

zel da 🐐

[@sachitechless]

That comment about phone speakers vs big audio equipment is interesting, because there is still I think only so much you can do over certain speaker setups, especially something like a phone speaker. I think I remember hearing the ending to this one song, Cherub by Ball Park Music, where the ending sounded super compressed and muddy until I heard it over speakers that weren't my shitty car or phone speakers and it actually felt like it had room to actually play the heavier outro.

[@jamesl2729]

Describing Jack Harlow as "some kind of combination of butter and ketchup" is one of the most profound things I've heard on this channel

[@JaxzanProditor]

Y’all need to listen to more classical music if you think there aren’t any lyrics. Mozart’s Requiem is still with us today despite no one on Earth speaking Latin today.

[@kqatsi]

Confutatis.

[@Bundpataka]

People still speak Latin as a second language

[@RFLCPTR]

@@Bundpataka Nobody does. Even people who take latin lessons in school never speak it, nobody even knows how to pronounce that sh*t. They read and write it, yes, but mostly in a historical context without ever applying it in the real world as is it is f*cking dead. Nobody speaks it properly at all.

[@Th3Dr34m1sD34d]

I mean, latin is still the official Vatican State language if I'm not wrong

[@johnkiunke4508]

The point still stands there though because the music doesn't need the lyrics, whereas a lot of current genres do.

[@thevinyltruffle]

To the dude railing against midnight releases: This does make you sound old as fuck. And dude, I bought TOOL’s Lateralus at midnight when it was released. Midnight releases are not a new thing.

[@sounddevastationrecords]

I think your response on the Deftones post is something that needs to be acknowledged far more - and that speaks to the echo chamber we're all now so used to living amongst, especially online. Reviewers are offering a subjective point of view, but often with the initial premise of being as "objective" as possible, i.e. You're not reviewing something because you're a fan (even if you are), but because you want to think about it one-removed and then react and comment on the artist's decisions, end product, etc. While it's obviously fun to discuss music in a mostly positive way with fellow fans who often think similarly - or at least still arrive at similar conclusions (aka like) of an artist/album - that's not the 'job' or role a critic is setting out to accomplish or accommodate.

[@coastercraziness]

I’m just starting to pick up bass playing, helps me really appreciate these intros

[@t_ylr]

I agree with the midnight releases take. In the age of social media and livestreaming artists should be throwing single release parties at like 8pm ET

[@crystalsnow1138]

The eligibility for charts start at midnight though. So if an artist releases their music earlier in the evening all those streams/sales in the first few hours will go to waste.

[@t_ylr]

@@crystalsnow1138 ah dang that makes sense

[@BT405]

just listen to it whenever you want

[@rudytabooty8640]

I like what Kanye did with the first donda event, minus the lack of production. I would love to tune into a release party for an album while the artist is on screen. That would cost a lot tho

[@AsexTwin]

@@rudytabooty8640 depends on the album. sometimes i would rather sit in a room with my eyes closed than pay attention to a screen while also trying to listen to the lyrics and overall sound

[@anyssamoya1559]

I love midnight releases because it's fun to make a little ritual of: the anticipation of waiting in the days before, and then the hours, and minutes until it drops, and then sitting at home alone with it from start to finish. Maybe listening through a second time after, or going to sleep and then playing it the next evening, but slowly getting to know the album more. I know I'm outing myself as a digital native with this one, but I take a lot of joy in waiting to listen to something the moment it's released

[@AntiVectorTV]

"How are things fire underwater in Bikini Bottom?" Have you _listened_ to the Christmas album?

[@screwtapee]

The what

[@uncrownedoak7777]

Huge Deftones fans here. If they didn't get you from their early work, it's hard to see someone becoming a fan from only their latest releases, working back.

[@glockseventeen233]

I became a huge fan in the year 2000 because of the WHITE PONY album . It was nothing but pure excellence

[@zaidlacksalastname4905]

The difference between Beethoven and Kendrick is that a Kendricks songs have lyrics (wow) and those lyrics are about him (also wow) so unless you're deaf Kendricks music will be associated with Kendrick himself

[@leah73574]

Watching Anthony's face frame by frame with the wave effect thingy always been my favorite thing to do.

[@demongodjr]

trips me out people use the word Stan. like the song that term comes from is directly telling people to not become obsessed with celebrities the way stans do

[@enricomorelli8756]

I feel like the kendrick comment still proves that his fans still treat him as an hip hop saviour while this poor man wants to be treated as a simple, imperfect human. Smh😔

[@shellmorton9860]

ik fuck Kendrick fans frrrrrr.

[@--REGULAR--REGULAR]

MM&TBS sounds better and better everytime I return to it and yet again another great project from Kendrick.

[@ProducedByRIFT]

it’s shit lol

[@lindseyh6913]

i agree. my opinion about it has definitely changed positively since first listen

[@jpb10]

Anthony needs to listen to more Bach and Beethoven

[@maxlap7855]

Yeah that take was shit.

[@anthropocentrus]

I never really care about these takes because I know most of these “critics” have a thumbnail view of the classical repertoire anyway…..

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

Anthony thinks Kendrick will be remembered in 200 years, he’s too stupid to listen to anything intelligent

[@thomaslikesmusic]

On midnight album releases (6:28): - It makes sense to release music at the very moment the release day begins, so artists and fans can stream it and benefit from as much of the release day as possible. - Methinks this guy lives in EST. If you move to the west coast, you'll get everything at 9pm! - If you don't want to move, you might consider the indie record/CD stores you've frequented. If you're a pleasant/loyal customer and get to know the staff, they might sell you an advanced copy as the store is about the close on the previous night.

[@YvesBelliveau]

I honestly can't believe you're doubling down on your hate for the new MCR track

[@not_kaya_]

i'm kinda glad he did, cuz i've only seen high praise everywhere, but i thought it was kinda boring and subpar especially for an mcr song and a comeback single at that. i felt like i was going crazy tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@kriptyk]

That deftones take at the end was like one of the most random and thrown together takes i've ever seen on twitter, as much as i disagree with your opinions on their newer releases.

[@paroxysm6867]

Generally speaking, I think there's two types of Deftones fans: the older fans who fell in love with them back in the 90's/early 00's and then the younger fans who got on board around the Diamond Eyes/Koi No Yokan era. That's why one section of fans will tell you Around the Fur and White Pony are their best albums while another section will tell you DE and KNY are their best albums. Anthony is clearly in the former category. I generally agree with him that their older stuff is their best work (I'm about the same age as him, so that might have something to do with it), but I also think he's been just a tad harsh on them lately (Ohms doesn't deserve a 3 lol).

[@Mr___f]

@@paroxysm6867 Meanwhile I'll throw on Engine No9 and Genesis in the same playlist. I feel like Deftones is essentially 3 bands with the same name at this point. They definitely were most influential during their mid nu metal phase but I loved/love the shoegaze influenced stuff they put out now as well. I'll never understand how he shits on later Deftones but gave Loathe a 6 though lol

[@ZeeDDD65]

Man Anthony rarely has anything positive to say about classical music.

[@lucag.lisickza425]

because he didn't know anything about it

[@jamiehovis7722]

white guilt

[@Eleusis]

On the Kendrick comment, reading the title I suspected it to be more about Kendrick also representing a lot of the cultural movements of our time and how those could be cited in the future as a documentation of them. In terms of music itself, not the words but the composition etc, I think most likeley would composers like Kurt Cobain still be heard. I know his works are also lyrical but He himself didn't care much about the words and more about its melodies. If you take away the sound and production of it you realise how beautiful and unique his songs are musically. (smells like teen spirit, on a plain, lithium, sappy being my prime examples right now)

[@saeedbaig4249]

"Be a stan of yourself" is the advice we needed but never got. Thank you Daddy Melon!

[@chestty455]

Travis Scott going to release an interlude that's 2 minutes of autotuned passing gas. The best evolution to his music I can imagine.

[@jedeveron4326]

what

[@itscalen6305]

You know the take is bad when Fantano is practically reading it out as a question

[@jpm9628]

Love watching these for sizing complicated/basic takes. Not an attack on Fantano.

[@DLCoker666]

10:38 Saturday night wrist frickin SLAPS. Underrated I think

[@tamirshimshoni8185]

The part about Kendrick's music becoming anonymous "like Beethoven" is not only unlikely to be true for Kendrick - it's very much not true for Beethoven. A large part of the reason Beethoven's music persists is because of his personality and life story: the revolutionary groundbreaker, rebelling against the establishment, with his famously fiery temper and disheveled appearance, tragically losing his hearing yet continuing to compose brilliant music despite that, all that jazz. And you can say that about almost all the really famous "classical" composers: Bach, the creator of intricate music of mathematical precision, way beyond the abilities of mere mortals, unfairly ignored and forgotten in his own time but rediscovered a century later; Mozart, the child prodigy with divine talent that ended his life in poverty and squalor (possibly murdered by F. Murray Abraham); Wagner, a bigger than life who brought his ostentatious operas to life through sheer determination and force of will (and was also notoriously anti-Semitic), and on and on.

[@businessbuilder92]

Rap is essentially poetry as much as it is music and poetry from a thousand years ago is still recognized so I don't see why it will be any different even if rap isn't the most popular music 100% of it won't just vanish

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@businessbuilder92 dude stop lying to yourself. Rap is not some profound high art. No rapper is comparable to Beethoven ot Mozart. You can delude yourself all you want but anyone with a brain knows that isn’t the case.

[@businessbuilder92]

@@mrmxyzptlk8906 I'm talking about abilities being passed down between civilizations for thousands of years mozart was born 200 years ago maybe 300 im not exactly sure. Either way, choir opera etc had already been existing years before that with the church that's what encouraged mozart if you weren't aware there are many others with stunning ability like rachmaninov from the 19th century as well. Valentina lisitsa has renditions of moonlight sonata mov. 3 that arguably compete with any versions I have ever heard and she is still alive today. Honestly I believe you want to put down a form of personal expression because of your personal emotions towards it not based of the merit of what am artform truly is. Isn't it always the artist that say art is what you make it you want to control what is and what isn't art but fortunately that is not up to you and you alone. Everyone will choose how they feel based on their own merits that's what makes it all subjective so if you read this much then good for you 👍 didn't mean to talk you head off.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@businessbuilder92 what? It’s not just my personal thoughts? I like Kanye, Lil Wayne and Drake. I’m not dumb enough to think any of them are Mozart tho? Music critics and historians have acknowledged classical musical is a higher art. And Mozart is at the pinnacle of it. Which is why he’s been remembered. Nothing in modern music has come close to him. It’s like saying Tolkien is better than Shakespeare. It’s ludicrous and just ignorant.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@businessbuilder92 also yea Christianity influenced every important figure in history. Isaac Newton, Shakespeare, Mozart, Beethoven, Napoleon. All pinnacles of humans and brilliant and beyond in their respective fields. All heavily religious. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Ofc Christianity is influential… kind of stating the obvious. The most known, read and beloved book is the Bible so yea.. and the most revered, known and important person in all of existence is Jesus Christ. So yea it’s obvious… not sure how Mozart taking his music from religious inspired choir operas has anything to do with this… but ok.

[@owl509]

LET'S AGREE: Cringing With is the best Fantano show

[@deftfkaubgup4669]

Untrue. Either It Came from Bandcamp or Starter Pack

[@_PuppetMaster86]

@@deftfkaubgup4669 You're both wrong. It's LET'S ARGUE.

[@longdogman]

@@deftfkaubgup4669 i miss it came from bandcamp :(

[@freedom_mayor]

lol so about the audiophile thing: im way more into sound quality these days, but years, me and my friend were camping and he had like four NeverShoutNever songs on his flip phone lmao and we listened to them and when i was in that zone i realized that it was so lofi but you can still hear all the instruments if you take your time tk pick them apart. and i started listening to shit on my phone speakers and i swear i would get so lost in the songs even tho it was so lofi. lol there is a magic to it, but still these days i got to get that huge bass sound

[@saulf.4678]

That whole "I recognize the tune, but I don't know the name/artist/composer" argument is flawed, out of context with what classical music is. "Classical music", is a generalized concept, used to describe a "genre" of music that follows certain musical characteristics, a certain sonic idiosyncrasy. There are still "classical music" composers today. It's not about "this song is old", or "I recognize it, but I can't put my finger on it", hahah, that happens with all music, all the time. "Classical music" is a music genre, with multiple "subgenres". Pretty simple. It won't be replaced, it won't go away. It is the root of all music, and it still serves as a masterclass for music overall, for theory and for practice. But I do kind of get the point, hahaha. Kendrick's music IS a masterclass, for rap music. 🍻💯

[@NeonRadarMusic]

To the first segment about Kendrick, I feel like pointing out even Beethoven himself was really popular among the masses, just as Shakespeare was. But now both are being shoved down the throats of students who really couldn't care less because it's simply not of their time. Jazz was extremely rebellious when it was first popular and now people study it college and it also has some of the worst elitists around. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Kendricks music has a similar fate. In fairness, he has elitist gatekeepers even now. We can expect his music to be canonized or rather INSTITUTIONALIZED (see what I did there) several decades from now. I dunno about centuries but certainly decades.

[@pyrotechnic96]

100% it's just what happens. People will definitely be studying the popular music of today in the future. Analyzing rhyme schemes, researching social contexts, and music technology that shaped the sounds of different eras.

[@dgayle2348]

Underrated take! Funny because even NOW lyricism, content and rhyme schemes are falling out of favor so in a sense Kendricks music isn't even of this time and is being forced down people's throats. Just imagine in 200 years when rap is just grunting over the sound of data being uploaded to the cloud amplified by 1000, and in school you have to study To Pimp a Butterfly lol

[@jxgalaxy3810]

Personally I think Kendrick’s music will be dead around mid 2050’s. Assuming he stops making stuff around mid 2030’s to 2040

[@pyrotechnic96]

@@jxgalaxy3810 I think you're underestimating the legs that popular music has. By the '50s the generation that grew up on Kendrick will only just be in their 50s and 60s. That's prime nostalgia age. The Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin were still big in the 2000s. Maybe he doesn't have any singular song that transcends time and becomes a lasting part of popular culture but I kinda doubt it.

[@goh02]

@@pyrotechnic96 Nah, many people think that Damn aged bad, few other give section And UR a chance, Mr Morales now is the less Kendrick album that people hear. Obviously this don’t make Kendrick bad, but show you how the time work. The true is that out of rap the only project that people give respect is TPTB. Even the greath impact that Kendrick had, him neva beat in terms of popularity Taylor, Katy Perry, Drake, Kanye, and look I think that Kendrick is better than all them. But if you want survived the time, need a lot of popularity. Beatles, Zeppelin, Stones, Queen, Doors, Beach Boys, Michael Jackson, Bowie, Dylan, Floyd are remember and big today because nobody was more greath than all them.

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

“Foundations of decay didn’t hit a dramatic peak” what? Are we listening to the same song?

[@ImpendingRiot83]

MCR listened to one of the singles from Deafheaven’s ‘Infinite Granite’ once and were like “Yeah we can do that”

[@BillyCobbOfficial]

Had to pull out emo Billy

[@Sonicshadow8989]

Yo! Bill when the new album or single coming out?

[@terribleawful]

honestly im not so sure we've got 200 years at this point

[@RFLCPTR]

haha yeah

[@Purkinje90]

Jacob's question reminds me of that lady who asked why they put the deer crossing sign on such a busy stretch of the highway

[@ramiror2132]

People know who Beethoven was and what the symphonies are called and where they came from. It's not like they're totally absent from context, we know who the classical composers were and how and what they've lived

[@something6167]

Just maybe some people actually like classical. Contemporary shitty pop is pushed on the masses way more obviously since its actually profitable.

[@JupiterAdept]

Yes, when exactly is Beethoven being forced down our throats? Is he talking about learning music history in school or something? It sucks that "classical music" has become so irrelevant that it relies on wealthy donors but that doesn't mean that the music isn't good.

[@beansfebreeze]

My hottest take: Pet Sounds was the 808s and Heartbreak of the 60s

[@lordpringle6796]

delete this comment

[@blossomingbeelzebub]

no it was the pinkerton of the 60s

[@mackr1940]

the wall was the yeezus of the 80s

[@rickmcthicc3500]

the money store is the white album

[@Sam-dm8vh]

9th symphony by beethoven was the exmilitary of the 1820s

[@HJ-ju4ui]

The first one makes me laugh so much because like ''we will rock you'' and ''we are the champion'' by Queen have basically all ready transcended to the status he is talking about.... and they where made 45 years ago...

[@THeKallOfCtulu]

On the phone speaker guy, there's a song by Low Roar that has a bass effect on one of their songs that literally does not work on cheap speakers and headphones. Like it just literally does not play. Bad speakers can definitely make songs sound worse

[@henryicsman3886]

You should review a classic album from the past (80’s, 90’s, 2000’s, 70’s, etc) regularly and make a series out of it

[@robharris993]

Not only does Anthony have a hell of a work schedule already keeping up with new releases, he already has classics week which he's said he doesn't really enjoy that much.

[@dankoz5975]

Can't see why Kendrik, it's more like someone from rock/metal music will take this position. A lot of bands from 00s like soad or slipknot still relevant, like we will rock you by queen or something still relevant after half of century, when most popular rappers from 00s or even early 10s -- are completely forgotten by everyone but rap fans even if they had millions of strams.

[@jewel_throne2950]

Agreed and that's only because rap is an overrated form of music.

[@Centure120]

Saw the title and its nothing to argue about. Kendrick Lamar music is forever

[@HEELEO]

Personally i think the best way to listen to music on headphones that are decently built in quality as the sound is crisp and you can hear the work in the production better

[@johndamario2546]

not a single soul on planet earth in 200 years will be listening to We Cry Together

[@benjaminwelkens8118]

I 10000000000% disagree

[@aze4964]

How do you know John DAmario you expect me to just believe you John DAmario?

[@bienzoo]

I will specifically ask my grandchildrens to listen to it

[@AsTheCrowFlies745]

My lineage will. I will pass down the track to my son and he to his just in spite of your single comment

[@johndamario2546]

@@AsTheCrowFlies745 I’ll be there to witness it

[@nerdude360]

I feel like its kinda weird that Fantano is so against the vocal mixing on The Foundations of Decay by MCR... I don't think that makes it a bad mix? When people do that it's always intentional. MCR could have mixed the vocals better, they can make it sound however they want it to sound, with the money and hundreds of people they work with, most likely, yet they chose for it to sound this way. Shoegaze does it all the time too. Or like, to give an emo example, Come In by Weatherday-- nearly every track on that album is impossible to hear the lyrics at all. But it's clear that was an intentional choice, and it adds a lot to the atmosphere. I just don't know why this is much different from that??? Its a specific sound they intentionally wanted to capture.

[@coco_rthritis6462]

I haven't listened to the song but he said something similar about the album Doppelganger by TFOT, which I know isn't technically emo but I consider it as such. I thought the mixing was perfectly fine, especially compared to their first album. I guess it's just personal preference, but I think truly bad mixing isn't very common nowadays cause of available technology and information.

[@lilpip1126]

@@coco_rthritis6462 you should listen to it it's great!

[@rachelhartman2489]

While I agree that it was obviously a choice, weatherday is a weird example solely on the reasoning that album was recorded on extremely cheap equipment and the tone and effects are solely from the fact it was recorded on iPhone and not an artists choice the same way.

[@nerdude360]

@@rachelhartman2489 I mean... Ok?? But the mixing is still appropriate for the sound of the album.. it's very common for emo artists to do that, and regardless of the backstory it's usually intentional for it to sound so rough and hard to hear. What about the hundreds of shoegaze bands that have the budget but still choose to do the worst vocal mixing of all time? It's because it works with the wash of sound, and same applies with the MCR song. But I get what u mean fs.

[@nerdude360]

@@coco_rthritis6462 yeah I agree. I think that bad mixing especially now is definitely done intentionally most of the time, bc of that. You have lots of diff options for mixing these days. An intentional mix is always a good one. That's why I don't believe in the idea of a bad mix, there's just such a thing as a mix thats put in the wrong context. But even then, that comes down to personal preference, I suppose. But yeah, agreed!!

[@hankfrance4559]

Let's Argue questions should be collected through KZbin polls too

[@ethanwimsett]

the fire underwater is metaphor

[@rh4709]

Bro, no one is listening to Kendricks last album a month after it dropped. What are you talking about 200 years lmaooo

[@yellowfamilyfunny3065]

People will listen to my farts in 200 years

[@grogbit3682]

‘Be a Stan of yourself’ is some of the best advice ever for the current generation

[@DiscoPickle102]

My baseline for what a speaker has to get right to be a speaker worth using is Justice's Stress. If it can reproduce the screeching sound at 1:49, it passes the test. My €50 bluetooth speaker managed, so that's what I'm happy with.

[@hterbluc]

The mix in foundations is rough but the song writing is Gerard as I love him always. It’s not blackgaze it’s more reminiscent of the more dynamic forms of post hardcore they were born from

[@f.c.2475]

Kendrick Lamar in all his good work has attracted all the wrong kinds of people as his fans- these people will do nothing with the message he is putting out, yet they want to feel like "in the know" so they keep listening to him, specially his latest work. Listening to his music can not be without acting upon what he says, and who acts ? Everyone seems to know the tragedy that hoods and projects are, yet who changes it ? 2pac talked about the same, now Kendrick and there will be another kid down the line.

[@ZEPj6blacklabel]

Never seen a melon slapping the bass so nice

[@dilliondantin]

32 seconds in and there's just something about the editing that feels off in the best kind of way. I've laughed out loud 3 times already

[@julesglendenning937]

I love headphones, mics, speakers, all that shit... But some of the guys take it too far. I will listen to whatever kinda music at whatever kinda time. Having the option to use some really good headphones is a great thing. But, before any of that, I just kinda threw my iphone next to my ear and bumped like that. Personally, I think the best way to listen to something (at least music that's new) is in a car with some at least decent speakers, but that's just my stance

[@tetchra4549]

Why didn’t you finish the Travis Scott and ASAP rocky take, it was actually good

[@Boomi_Dog]

probably forgot to

[@jedeveron4326]

the eyelids were simply too pressing of an issue to focus on asap and trav

[@loverboyclement6767]

do ppl actually say they sound the same lmao. cuz if they do that’s crazy.

[@littyagain9402]

cuz the answer is obvious, people like to troll

[@tetchra4549]

@@loverboyclement6767 yeah nah they do not sound the same, similar approach to the music tho (sometimes)

[@synthiandrakon]

what people don't seem to understand is that we know less about musicians in the past, not because time has passed but because methods of recording information were just less developed and there were less people recording information. the information we have on artists today, save some huge freak accident is information we will have indefinitely

[@perlundgren7797]

People can't tell Mozart from Beethoven because of a lack of available information? I'm somehow not entirely convinced...

[@gustavohernandeza.890]

"BE A STAN OF YOURSELF" - Sir Anthony Fantano, Earl of Bangershire

[@robbiewalsh6965]

Kendrick has inherited Pac's legacy, who comes after is the far more interesting question.

[@sycofya1677]

Inherited lmao you wish🤦‍♂️

[@timetravelingoldman6839]

Kendrick fans are wack

[@tango31313]

No he hasn't.

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

Unless english becomes teh one and only language, I kinda doubt anything with lyrics will truly be that influencial. Like everyone has already said, what makes classical music that popular is that the pieces are purely instrumental so where they are from is irrelevant.

[@jamiehovis7722]

you know nothing about classical music. lots of classical music has lyric its just in italian and german among other romance languages. it can stand on its own musically however.

[@erikasdarodalykus]

this video helped me calm down

[@grassrash6162]

Hey Fantano. I'd love to know what you think about Bôa. A lil underrated of a band imo

[@becketclark9942]

Lol didn't expect to see my boy Billy. I do agree with his take on Foundations of Decay though.

[@aidanbrunzell1463]

My grandchildren's grandchildren deserve The ability to groove to King Kunta.

[@abrahamloch8682]

Whyyyy is the baseline so addicting

[@bornabudic1399]

Glad he answered the Rocky one

[@CxViolet]

/srs this is my second time here after getting a little too high. As usual melon, your video helped ground me and even have a good laugh along the way. Thx :)

[@jakobgrene5905]

That Kendrick take was so bad lol

[@WalrusFPGA]

Dont wanna be the boomer here, but you definitely could go to record stores at midnight for notable releases in the 90's. It was a fun way to meet people with similar musical tastes.

[@apollo5063]

hidden shadows remix at the end went foolish

[@aryjarvis3161]

As a bit of a light audiophile, i think my mood impacts how good music sounds way more than anything else, so I genuinely believe music sounds better to people with several hundred dollar cables or "audiophile crystals". The placebo effect is really really powerful

[@RhodokTribesman]

Earbuds are NOT going to have the same size of soundstage and separation of a set of monitoring open-back headphones no matter how pouty one may be feeling. Im not an audiophile, but there are objective differences in what you use to listen to music through

[@aryjarvis3161]

@@RhodokTribesman well yeah... and even then theres a big difference between open back headphones. My point is that your enjoyment of music is more based on psychological factors than the quality of the headphones. there are many fantastic musicians that do not care about audio quality. For the first few months after launching, Radiohead's In Rainbows was only available as a free mp3 download. It was good enough for the best alt rock band in the world.