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Chapters
0:00 - Introduction and Disclaimer
0:26 - Overview of the Halot Mage S Printer
1:00 - Comparing with the Halot Mage Pro
1:45 - Design and Build Quality
2:30 - Features and Connectivity
3:01 - Build Volume and Plate Details
3:48 - Z-axis Mechanism and Issues
5:01 - Leveling the Printer
6:05 - Resin Vat and Fill Line
7:00 - Issues with Resin Splashes
7:36 - Internal Components
8:14 - Optional Nebula Camera
9:20 - Creality's Implementation of Features
11:00 - User Interface and Experience
14:15 - Printing Process and File Management
15:30 - Print Quality and Dynax Mode Explanation
17:50 - Printer Speed and Resin Issues
20:10 - Problems with Single Speed Stage
21:50 - Print Quality Comparison
24:00 - Summary of Issues and Final Thoughts
25:01 - Creality's Communication and Feedback
27:00 - Closing Remarks and Call to Action

[@shanechristiansen38]

I absolutely love how you and Six never pull your punches. Calling a spade a spade in times when other creators are following a paycheck makes the both of you a more trusted source, especially when the common goal is making the experience easier and better.

[@FauxHammer]

I actually had a chat with Six before I made this video and commended him on his great one! Amazing channel and one I’m happy to work in support of!

[@liveware3926]

Dynax Mode is a temporary transformation affecting Pokémon that was introduced in Generation VIII and is exclusive to Pokémon Sword and Shield. It grants Pokémon tremendous strength and size and allows them to use powerful moves called Max Moves. A variant of this phenomenon called Gigantamax further alters the appearance of Pokémon and gives them access to exclusive G-Max Moves.

[@FauxHammer]

So what are EX pokemon? And are we talking PTCG or Game?

[@mikejackson9585]

LOL, love the symbolic reverse unpacking at the end... I guess we know where that printer is headed back to.😂

[@enrique7934]

"Reverse unpacking" You mean packing.

[@3DRundown]

@@enrique7934 No, he means, the unpacking, played in reverse....

[@Jaynimates]

Fr😂😂😂

[@henrik.norberg]

This review is why I watch this channel. I need printers for my company and I prefer to pay with money than time. So i ended up with 4 Bambu Lab printers for filament and are waiting for a Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra. I need something that just works, the rest is just a bonus.

[@insanschino]

personal experience with elegoo, they are crap. not even 1 month of use and the plate went only up, open the machine, bring the plate down, try again. and again only up. from support said they need to send it to R&D as they have no clue, decided to return that machine and get a phrozen 8k mighty with upgrade kit (this was all in january-february) since then the phrozen works solid

[@Immolate62]

Let them have it, Ross, but remember that they're still one of the big dogs in the industry and try not to make it personal. They really needed to bring the A-game this time with Elegoo releasing the Saturn 4 Ultra for $400 and Mars 5 Ultra for $279, both with tilting bed mechanism. These printers have no significant flaws that I can see and the S4U at least is a joy to use. I'm still waiting for the delivery of the two M5U's I ordered. I'm having to adjust my workflow from the S3U because of how quickly prints complete, and my post process now includes air drying after the rinse in denatured alcohol thanks to your advice, so timing is even more critical. But my what beauties the S4U is turning our using Sunlu ABS-like resin. I just printed out the Loot Studios welcome pack (minus the tavern) and the details are exquisite. More to add to my pile of shame. I own a K1 Max and an Ender 3 V2, so I have a stake in Creality I guess you'd say. But integrity matters, and I'm glad you are intent on keeping yours brother.

[@AuntJemimaGames]

I wouldn't say they have no significant flaws.. frankly Elegoo's plate design and solution for auto zeroing are both messy and prone to failure. That said, I think most of the rest (tilt mech included) of the features are a marked improvement from previous generations of hardware, and most people will have good results with them.

[@JerryBWagoner]

"Im not trying to rob you " ... Brilliant use of a movie quote! Well done 👏

[@3dpathfinder]

Ive retired my halot mage 8k..My next resin printer will be the Saturn 4 Ultra. But , im really loving my Sovol SV08..just printed my first helmet on it and damn its fast

[@xx8arn3ybeastxx55]

I had the Halot mage and I think I had 3 successful prints out of it before the screen just up and died

[@Bobby11]

Sigh, im still waiting for my sv08 AND my saturn 4 ultra.

[@LexOneGTPS]

I’ve bought 3 printers based on your reviews and all the reviews have been spot on with pro’s and cons and I’m super happy with each recommendation. Which I will not be even looking at the direction of Creality.

[@msp5616]

It is evident that they will respond when their sales decline. Until then, they will continue to release the same subpar machines with minor upgrades or, more accurately, side-grades. Hey Ross, your party was awesome!

[@FauxHammer]

I honestly thought after the travesty that was the Mage pro, they would actually do that here. I half suspect the reason this looks so similar is because they already made so many chassis for the last one and it undersold they had no choice but to use them all again here. I'm just so disappointed in them for doing this again, It's so misleading. surely some of this is borderline criminal to do? just looking at their product page, I can see so many incorrect statements -Infallible Quality Prints - no, mine both failed to live up to the quality the screen is capable of, and failed to print (they should look up the word infallible) -Smart and User-friendly Features - how, smart features include intelligent sensing features, this has none. and user friendly is the opposite of what this UI is. they don't even explain their functions anywhere. - Excellent Software and Accessories - I mean, the video said it all in response to this! And that is just the opening lines. Are these lies? can these be taken as lies? i suppose the statements are too subjective.

[@TheMrPedrose]

“Bum hole twitchingly close” might be the funniest phrase I’ve heard on KZbin this week 🤣

[@butchsbasementbuilds6828]

It seems that Creality does not understand that getting rid of honest reviewers to protect a bad product is not going to work. In the long run they will only end up with a couple of reviewers with bad reputations who support them and they will still have a bad product and also their own reputation will be destroyed.....BAD BUSINESS

[@Atticuscreed]

Honestly I have no commitment to or desire for a 3d printer but for some reason I find boring English technical specs super engaging for me to sleep. You are awesome dude

[@FauxHammer]

hahaha, I'll take that as a compliment!

[@alexey_sychev]

Thanks for giving Creality the words they truly deserve, good job.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks for listening

[@Kaiurai]

I've seen people review the Halot Mage more favourably than yourself, so I was thinking about picking up the 8k Mage, but after seeing this review, coupled with your last one, there's no way I'll be touching their resin machines. You are absolutely right, there are other machines in the same price bracket that are just streets ahead of this. Thanks for your honest and thorough reviews. I've delved into a ton of your videos when thinking about picking up a new resin machine and will be sure to use one of your links once I've decided.

[@johndodson8144]

Another good review, appreciate the honesty and transparency.

[@JerryBWagoner]

I believe Dynex is a high-end rinse and spin process in my dishwasher. I set it to Dynex = "on" to get off those stubborn bits. 😊

[@FauxHammer]

Hahahah. I still haven’t got an answer that’s not a joke. And I love every one of them!

[@the_average_canadian]

I really value that your content is honest. It's not that Creality's machines are *bad*, they're just mediocre in an industry where their competition is fighting between "good" and "great".

[@bryanduncan6954]

I have a mage (non-pro), and it’s been a fantastic work horse, that said, I want a Saturn Ultra for my next one. It seems the add ons is what took it from a dependable printer to garbage. If I hadn’t had loot studios for years, I’d totally get them and get a commission. They are amazing! HIGHLY recommend.

[@CellarDoorGraphics]

100% agree. The soft metal of the build plate bracket is a huge problem. I've run a decent size print farm for 5 years and have used many printers .....my bracket stripped in the first week of owning the mage

[@FauxHammer]

I’m so glad someone has validated this!

[@CellarDoorGraphics]

@@FauxHammer 5 years of running a farm with at least 10 printers in it. I've gone through many many machines. I bought this one December and I only figured out what was going on last month. I had to use oversized self-tapping machine screws to keep the bed level..... I also struggled using lychee slicer for months until I just gave up and started using the creality slicer. I will admit though, now that those huge problems are worked out. I'm getting beautiful prints daily on it.

[@littlemikeyultra3330]

Love your content! I’m amazed at how many issues creality managed to fit into this poor printer.

[@brennonwilliams9181]

Thanks for the reviews and all the efforts you and other YT creators put into making these videos. Im very experienced in FDM but never owned a resin printer so your experience in considering printers is both a valuable and appreciated resource for those of us looking to make a purchase (which to be honest wont be any of the creality lineup at this point in time). I live in SE Asia, and im also British, so sarcasm runs through my viens and it goes into hyper mode when we see plainly stupid mistakes (multiple times) and as you rightly pointed out, when companies dont want to listen to their customers, let alone take the proactive and professional approach to ask users how to make better products and services. It's tough to be fair when you're infuriated. I was chuckling to myself when i saw this video pop up, as i had just pressed the button on a competitors printer having come to a conclusion early today (thanks in part to your multiple reviews) to stay away from Creality resin printers. Thank you sir.

[@redline3036]

I'm new to resin printing but you have great content and are making it way less stressful for me to get into resin printing. I like creality but they need to get back in touch with you for sure great content and great advice. Went with an anycubic photon mono m5 I could have spent more but I want to learn with mostly manual leveling and just go through the trials and tribulations just like I did with my anet a8 and my ender 3 pro. Around 8 years of fdm printing it was long overdue in the resin side of 3d printing.

[@kthing5853]

Want to say a big thanks for your Saturn 3 ultra video before it helped me decide what printer was best for me and that one is

[@brandondyck20]

Companies need to stop gas lighting and own up to what people are saying about their products and not hide. Thanks for the absolute content full of a review.

[@FauxHammer]

Completely agree

[@Bobby11]

It feels like Creality are not run by engineers but accountants. At least the decisions are prioritising profit/cost cutting over quality etc. (cheaper to tack on features in the app) or spend time fine tuning lift settings and all that.

[@nicholassmith5206]

Im sure your birthday party will still be well attended regardless of creality.

[@Down_Time_Dad]

I have an 8k mage (non pro) you can select multiple retract speeds when slicing in lychee. It's been a slow and steady workhorse for me!

[@FauxHammer]

A lot of people say the non-pro mate is very different to these new ones. I've never had one.

[@sbar091]

You're KILLIN' me, smalls. Where's that GK3??

[@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel]

You got our trust brother. You earned it.

[@Strixx23]

The Reviews are really helpful, seems that when releasing a new model or ‘MK2’ many manufacturers are just not listening to users. Do I need to upgrade, right now for what I need,no. BTW, the machine is called Halot, I’m reading an extra ‘R’ in there.

[@jamesh3837]

I've had SO many problems getting prints out of my Halot Mage. I'm almost ready to get rid of it.

[@adelhied034]

I'm planning to buy resin printer and this is the channel I first go through for decision making purposes.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks, hope I steered you clear

[@adelhied034]

@@FauxHammer yeah this really help a lot. Planning to buy Elegoo Saturn 4 because this is the only printer available here that is good enough.

[@Kid_illithid]

Companies might not want to hear feedback like this but they need to. I’m glad fauxhammer is here to keep it real

[@FauxHammer]

They won’t listen

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Printer manufacturers when asked to make sensible firmware changes: impossible. This printer was such a disappointment for sure. Great swingy door, inbuilt vent, but no innovation and just ridiculous firmware. Great job on this review and going as deep on the settings as you did! Cant have been fun. Hopefully Creality get the message and turn their next Halot Mage into a printer worth its price tag. Also I'll see if I can get you in contact with the rep I deal with as they seem happy to continue talking to me even though I recommend viewers spend their money elsewhere 😂

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks Brother, and yeah, little about this was fun at all. though I obviously relish a little in the smugness that I have the freedom to say all this. But I pray they get the message from the community of people buying, or not buying these. I would love Creality to step up and compete, they have the money, but they just don't seem organised enough to get this right. The company clearly needs to work on communication internally and externally. Tech's should actually listen to the marketing team... If you would like to try to put me in touch with your rep, I'd love to talk to them again and offer any help that I can. But if their name begins with J, that's likely the guy who told me he had left the company...

[@ovarb12]

Great review. Honest. No vendors really don't care. Like you said just a little change and it'd be great.😅

[@FauxHammer]

Exactly!

[@trinibears]

So Petty I LOVE IT!!

[@LSCModels]

Great vid. You say it like it is.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks 👍

[@valentinionascu8472]

Thank you for this video. I try so hard to like Creality. I have some FDM printers from them but they don't care about us. I preordered the Elegoo Mars 5 Ultra Resin printer and I think I made a better decision than Creality's machines.

[@FauxHammer]

yes you did

[@FranklyPeetoons]

Although I still use a vintage Phrozen Sonic Mini 4K for resin stuff, I enjoy your reviews and this one is particularly juicy. I have bad feelings about Creality caused by an Ender 3 Pro that apparently defied every quality control check. What a monstrous piece of junk that was. Yes, I know it was an FDM printer, but it's cursed the brand name for me forever. If Creality offered a magical golden bulletproof twat for 25¢ (US) I probably wouldn't buy it

[@ForVectron]

Dynax+ is effectively the 11 on a Spinal Tap Marshall amp

[@tillerzeit]

I wish i had seen this video about a week and a half ago. I purchased a halot mage when my creality LD-006 had the fep film break and spill resin all over printer and im certain got inside it too (still not sure and im not sure about paying for a replacement FEP film to confirm it). So i saw it was on sale saw that the plate was bigger and "better" so i tbought hell yeah. Ordered it and it was on my doorstep a few days later. Set up was easy and the test model one of the ones on the included usb printed like a charm so i printed one of the models my wifes been asking me to get printed for her. That one failed in a way that said somehow the bed was not leveled. Releveled the bed tried again. That failed too. So did it again and this time nothing printed on the plate which was even more odd. Cleaned the plate off pulled the vat out and did the "correct" way (use the paper method to level). Went into the slicer increased my initial layers and (exposure time was already at 30 seconds for intial layers) tried again. Same damn issue nothing sticking to the bed. So Saturday after getting home from some house hunting with my wife i tried to relevel the bed one more time. Took out everything cleaned all of the stuff and thats when i found out the home button stopped the bed 2.2mm from where my vats film was. There is no easy way to reset the 0 other than open up the printer and hit a switch. I was livid because my LD-006 worked for me and this came off as a better version of that printer. So i finally said screw this made a return order put everything back in the box it came and sent it back for my refund. Ive got a Saturn 4 ultra in the mail now and im done with creality. I hope they go out of businesses for this amount of incompetence.

[@FauxHammer]

I would not want to be so unprofessional as to whole hartedly agree with your assessment at the end. So I'll just say quiet...

[@tillerzeit]

@@FauxHammer thanks for the review Ross, like I said I returned the printer two days ago so I'm still salty and I run a small 3d printing company for tabletop minis and terrain. So when stuff that I need to rely on doesn't work at the most basic layer that I can't keep up with or god forbid an unexpected surge in demand it really sets me off.

[@FauxHammer]

@@tillerzeit I completely understand, I was being somewhat flippant. I totally get you bro and they need to do better, becasue they are loosing people becasue of stuff like this!

[@user-mg5cm4vs3m]

Thanks for the honesty, wish more people did honest reviews. Ding shills. I'm going to buying my first resin printer in September or at Christmas and I won't even consider getting a Creality or any of their products now. Stuff them.

[@reginaldwwalkerii]

My first printer was a Creality resin it broke within 30 days. I will never own another one.

[@motor1841]

I'm glad I choose Elegoo over Creality, just the simplified user experience alone makes the choice for me. The strange bed leveling behavior breaking the pump on the Pro model just screams of poor design or thoughtless design and it seems to carry over to everything they do on their resin printers. I certainly cant see myself purchasing a single resin printer from Creality. Also if they aren't willing to listen to Ross and his fair criticism they certainly wont hear a single word a customer would have to say. Easy pass now and going forward. Great review as always Ross and you are the best Resin Printer reviewer on KZbin hands down. Maybe Creality does better with FDM printing but thats not my thing and they can keep it. Return this crap machine Ross and don't feel bad for one second about it.

[@user-cw6ip9ps3g]

can't imagine how many issues that this printer has.... You would think they have been in the 3D printing market for long, their machines should be well made & designed. But apparently not. Thank you for your honest review, I will go for an Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra..

[@FauxHammer]

Good call. And thanks!

[@peterpeter5666]

My 2 printers im leaning towards atm is the mono 7 or s4 ultra. Still waiting for them to age a bit to see how many complaints before I buy

[@FauxHammer]

Both are decent. I’m doing a comparison video soon.

[@peterpeter5666]

@@FauxHammer that's fantastic. Can't wait

[@johnhinkey5336]

Once again, the software guys seem to have never used the hardware themselves. This is such a common theme on 3D printers (FDM and resin).

[@spyke3575]

Mage Pro received an update on the 25th. Full tsmc and adjustable lift heights are still not enabled/functional. Chitubox still has it wirh a minimum 8mm lift and single lift speed. FML.

[@FauxHammer]

Shit, but dunno if you were expecting that, but the mage pro has been out a year and still does not have that update

[@spyke3575]

@@FauxHammer does the S have tsmc yet? I don't think so either. My goodness Creality!!! Such a simple fix. 1 fix that would make the whole Halot Mage range so much better. Program out once and copy pasta to the others. I don't understand it mate... Such an easy fix. If only I had some programming and coding skills to update the EEPROM myself... Creality are selling themselves short and denying their customers of the great potential these printers have. And it's a disservice to the Creality and 3D printing community to cut comms turn a respected contributor like yourself. All they need to do is listen,step back and look at the big picture, receive criticism (yours is clearly constructive), make changes, release fixes for what can be done in software, apply fixes to new product going forward. FauxHammer makes new video praising said company for fixes and better product, company sales go up, community respect goes up and this brand loyalty goes up. It's a simple feedback loop. What don't they understand? For what it's worth, I, and I'm sure We, appreciate your honesty. You are literally telling them how to make a product better and what customers should be aware of, everyone gets a fair shake. Hopefully they get back in contact with you as this would most definitely be their loss. They just need to unlock the potential of the Mage range. Give us control. They really would be great printers, would you agree? If only there was a way to klipperise these printers, I would cut tires with oem firmware/software so dam quickly. But alas Ross, here's to waiting for Creality to pull their thumb out of their bum Thank you for your integrity and not being a sellout like some of the other reviewers of this printer range. I've only seen good and honest reviews from you and another gent Once In A Six Side. The rest just praise the machines when everuonr knows that there are issues. Is like to get the Mage S bout I honestly don't see the point if I can get an 8k printer that although smaller will give me tsmc and better lift heights and speed controls... All while being cheaper? Yeh i don't think any further Creality SLA printers will be making it into my workshop until they start listening and release a fix for the Mage range. Pro in particular. Too dam fast. Or too dam slow off you edit the speed because then it's locked to that speed the whole print. It's moronic. Anyway We appreciate you Ross and definitely feel your frustration

[@thomasmcgee1511]

had been eyeing this. I have the stqandard halot mage, I did like it but this thing looks like a mess, yeah no. thanks for the review Faux.

[@3DSte1985]

I bought a Halot One years ago as my first resin printer. It was a nightmare and almost put me off resin printing. I then bought a Mars 2 Pro, and Elegoo are now my go to and I won't touch Creality. I replaced my CR-6SE with a Neptune 3 Plus and again I won't ever go back to Creality.

[@WhiteWulfe]

I believe Dynax is a marketing gimmick that doesn't work. Yeah, I'll admit I didn't read the manual, but that's what my first impression was, and it was close enough. I'm honestly saddened to see that a company that used to be so beloved in the 3d printing industry is just doing the "slap a sticker on it and screw fixing any issues" thing, but they've been doing it for so long with tiny little updates here and there (just look at the Ender 3, with it's six bajillion revisions, and so many silent ones) that I don't even get disappointed when I see yet another box that doesn't work properly, and has fewer features and a worse UI than my Mars 2 Ultra.

[@mikelucraft]

On the Mage 8K, my bed tightening knob fell apart and the UW-o1 vat seal failed within 5 weeks of purchase. It took over 5 months to get a new seal and they never bothered saying what type the bolt was or replaced it. They are good at ignoring user questions/requests as well. My lid was covered internally with resin very quickly, as a newby I was more than disconcerted and felt that I was doing something wrong. They have lost my brand faith and loyalty unfortunately with me looking elsewhere for a larger printer now.

[@FauxHammer]

Ooof, people typically day that’s a good printer

[@mikelucraft]

I do like it when the resin works or isn't too brittle but so far I'm printing whole 1/35th tanks. Having issues around the new supports package in Lychee using looaaaddds of resin. Size is the main issue now so looking at the Sat4 Ultra.

[@mikelucraft]

Got a M5 wing knob for the build plate but support from Creality is let's say interesting. Free compensation resin turns into a voucher, replacement seals for a totally different wash tub, and then a random 500 bottle of Std resin drops. I'm using water wash now due to the wife not liking smells. I used to be a Quality Manager of a foundry chemical factory so solvents are my friends lol. Keep smiling Ross, love the channel. I also sold my first design today so happy

[@ScytheNoire]

Creality won't change, they don't care. Friends don't let friends buy Creality.

[@GustavoSanchez64]

I always found creality resin printers as just a side project for them because why not to get a couple sales from the people that buy Enders. But now that Bambu is here and destroying them in every category unless you need a really big FDM printer they are going to have to get their crap together or die.

[@CamuLufia]

They at least got the Flip Lid Better than Elegoo...why is there no handle or a small gap for the Fingers?! oh and the Included Air Exhaust fan is nice (had to order something from China for my S4U since it has a weird diameter which is not rly a thing in germany)

[@Arick_Lee]

I Believe Dynax Mode is: A key that unlocks..or rather unobstructs access to/visibility of print parameter categories or valid parameter Min or Max values...and also obey those parameters. 8mm lift height anybody? I *think* Dynax Mode at least used to (pro vs non-pro) required a different motor..perhaps screw assembly..which at the time appeared to have a seperate output on the board for. Short form: I believe Dynax Mode is: A software gate feature key to enable Producing a feature and price tierd product line while maximizing the economy of mass production by allowing them to literally make the guts/hardware of each tier identical in actual capability. Greying out various level of Dyna on lower models(just so the common folk get to see what they are missing). ...but as with everything Creality..it's half baked at best and poorly impliented.

[@Arick_Lee]

Taking a look at the word readable text configuration files for the Mage and Mage pro for instance..is confusings as it is interesting

[@Arick_Lee]

Some day..Try Opening up a Genaric custom printer in Chitu-Box and feed it your LCD parameters etc...see what gets different about our options. IS HALOT = USER RESTRICT MODE ENGAGED😂

[@FauxHammer]

I’ll be Hornsby I struggled to read that. But yeah it’s a mess

[@Lizard008]

I kinda get that Creality will always have a place of sorts because your first printer was one of theirs. The same applies for me. However: after several extremely shitty contacts with their support, I've written them off. They need to fix some serious issues and come out on top for me to give them a new chance. Their app is rubbish, the support is unworthy of the name, documentation is non-existent. The only things Creality had going for them (back in the days) was the ender and CR series that were a value deal... Which grew a huge community due to the easy modding. The community plugged the holes in support and documentation for them. I understand you can't just ignore Creality due to their market share, but please don't bend yourself backwards to try to find something positive to say. That's not how any of this should work. Thanks for the review!

[@MrDrake333]

@FauxHammer could you upload a film or short about how it looks like with Dynax mode set to 100 mm/s ? Must look hillaries

[@FauxHammer]

Check my Mage Pro review where it snapps the spout off the resin pump! there you go. used to move down at that speed too!

[@mikedixonphoto]

I have completely given up on everything made by Creality. I don't even take their review items anymore.

[@TrepidDestiny]

So once again, it's looking like the Saturn 4 Ultra is still the leader of this printer generation.

[@stiffler69er]

acfs the bomb ive got a thousand hours on a original acf sheet from my anycubic photon mono m5s

[@FauxHammer]

Fair enough. If you want speed rather than quality. Stick with it.

[@stiffler69er]

@@FauxHammer Well you dont mention the fact that it also allows for much lighter supports than normal which reduces the amount of marks you get from supports improving the overall look and quality of the print, acf has a lot of benefits and works well. The sharpness you speak of losing is so minimal that you can barely tell.

[@FauxHammer]

@@stiffler69er Sorry, but how does it allow much smaller supports? The driosted film reducsed the XY accuracy, so you reduce the size of your supports but need to increase exposure time in ordr to combat the diffusion. I'm not saying you;re wrong, but your statement contradicts everything I've seen. I am more than happy to be proven wrong, do you have examples of reduced support sizeon ACF directly compared on teh same printer with the same resin to PFA. with both printers showing results in various support sizes to determin the failure point per material and comparing the final print results of each? or are you just quoting the same marketing words that other brands have used? If you have any evidence to support your claim, I'd love to see it, and will happily admit this benefit to the whole world and will thank you for pointing it out.!

[@stiffler69er]

@@FauxHammer I'm not technically reviewing the acf so I'm not running tests but I can tell you I can use light supports with acf film on large 1:8/1:6 scale prints where in normally with normal fep I need to use medium supports, it's obvious really that if something releases easier and faster it means it takes less force and speed to do the same job. So a light support can do the same job as a medium support.

[@FauxHammer]

@@stiffler69er ok, i hear you, but that is called specious reasoning, just because something does something doesn't mean there aren't other variables. ACF diffuses light. If you want proof, get a sheet of PFA and put your phone screen up against it, how much does that sheet make the light from your phone screen blurry? now do the same with ACF. see the difference? that is also what it is doing to the UV light from the LCD Consider this. you use medium supports on PFA and they work. and on that print the XY dimentions are more accurate, so you actually get your 0.28mm give or take 20 microns. Then you use ACF, wand you use light supports, which have 0.20mm contact points, but due to the diffusion this could be give or take 60 microns. So in reality, medium supports on pfa could be anywhere up to 0.48 microns, whereas on ACF they could be up to 80 microns. So whilst the setting in Lychee or whatever allows you to use a different thing, the material is actually making your light supports much larger than using medium supports, this is more likely why it works. I'm not saying ACF is useless. I'm saying it introduces more inaccuracy in your 3D prints. If you take the same model printed in PFA and ACF, the PFA print will be sharper. this has been proven time and time again, andACF introduces horizontal lines on the surface too. But depending what you print, this may not even matter to you. If so, crack on, use it and enjoy it. But please understand why it is different and what it does so that you can help others make the best informed choices too. So if you want speed, rather than quality, stick with it. I am happy if you are happy. But it is not, The bomb IMO. It is "an option" with several drawbacks that peopel should be aware of.

[@abovewongart]

you're so SAVAGE. I love it.

[@FauxHammer]

Believe me, I don’t want to be

[@abovewongart]

@@FauxHammer I gotchu

[@FauxHammer]

@@abovewongart thanks brother!

[@vladterra7353]

are there any better alternatives with similar built volume in term of print quality and user experience, but not Saturn 4Ultra (I hate that vat 🙈) ?

[@FauxHammer]

Normal Saturn 4. Anycubic M7. Saturn 3, Saturn 3 Ultra. GKTWO. there's loads of 10" printers mate, all are better than this.

[@trainsstawell]

I have the pro it has its problems but it works well for me, ive had it a year and never leveled the build plate in that time. Creality warranty is a thing you learn about if you need some thing fixed as it says 1 year but most things are 3 months. I think big printers are not made for high detail prints, ACF or something like it is the future, ive have had no fails with the ACF. Resin pumps, self leveling etc are a waist of time, all resin printers need a heater. Ive only had to fix the build plate lock as it wasn't put together properly

[@Harshmage]

I believe Dynax Mode is marketing talk.

[@FauxHammer]

Would ah even better if it was

[@Specter257]

Here we go... After countless hours this is what I have collected. I own the Mage and 2 Mage pro models. I have started to use the pro on in the last 2 weeks even though I have owned it since it was released. The mage was just deathly slow. After trying to communicate with Creality techs (who were rude and unknowledgeable/ I have the email traffic to prove it) I gave up because it NEVER reached the speeds they advertised. The print quality was great if you were willing to wait longer than any other printer (even my OG Mars upgraded) The pro model has been horrible. I am extremely experienced in resin printing. I'm retired and still able bodied mostly so I have the brain power and time. First and foremost I print cones of calibration. Failed 90% of the models. Most models would fail at layer 20/21. I know this for a fact because I have an expensive micrometer. Two instances would occur. 1- layer 20/21 will delaminate and the proceding layers will adhere to the film. 2. Pulling force will be SO GREAT that the model will be pulled from the build plate and adhere solely to the film. This is my understanding of the occurance and possible reasons. I believe that slicing models in anything except Halot box will create a 50+micron gap (at layer 21) causing print failure without a build plate adhesion loss. If you are lucky (and I really do mean that) do to over exposure (15%+) your larger models will continue to print but will slip because layer 20-21 or 21/22 will only adhere near the center of the build plate. Very small models (aprox 4mm+ diameter) have a 50-60% chance of being fully intact no issues. If you over expose the print by 15%+ then you will lose significant detail but have better chances of non-failure. I say it like this because I still have yet to have 100% success on a single build plate. Dynax mode... Here goes... It is the software reading the next layer of pixels in comparison to the previous layer and then slamming the gas pedal on speed with complete disregard to decency. Sorry I had to throw that in. And guess when this really kicks in? That's right!!! Layer 21... At least that is what I believe. I watched my pro slap chop it's way into my heart 30+ times over and over… failure after failure... And when my exposure was 0.9s it would be on the build plate. When it was 1.0-1.1s it would rip clean off the build plate and be stuck to the included "high speed film." Dynax plus is essentially Doc Brown taking Marty back to meet his parents and screw up the time line cuz LORD that thing will 1000% always rip it off the build plate. Let me be clear. These are mostly testing the cones of calibration I'm referring to. So it is consistent and singular variable changes at a time. Needless to say there are serious issues with the firmware (oldest and most current). I tested both. I have read and agree with what most of applies to the Halot Mage series from "sn4k3". (UVtools) And to make matters worse for Creality, sn4k3's eeprom dump has been blocked from working on the Halot Mage series FW so there is no way to see what the gcode is doing or even what it is capable of. If anyone has gotten this the eeprom to dump please msg me. I refuse to give up. I am not happy with creality but there are so many of us that have sunk hard earned money into these machines. It is capable of great prints but I am 100% positive the key starts at the default gcode line by line. Also... The " light off delay" function... Doesn't work right. sn4k3 talks about it with detailed math. If you turn it up to 3s it will help but not a guarantee to achieve success on a print. At this point I'm praying. I'm testing more as I type this but God may just be laughing at me at this point.

[@Maskof7eyes2]

I beleave dynax mode is automatic dynamic layers like what UV tools has for free.

[@FauxHammer]

I want to believe that's partially true, But I don't know how it would know to change waitimes of lift speeds without any force sensors

[@mitcho590]

I believe dynax mode is a speed up printing mode like elegoos new fast mode but it soubss like it sacrifices quality big time but i get a feeling this is a loaded question 😂😂😂😂😂 Creality is very very out of touch with where there competition and what people want. Only thing i like is the built in filter/extractor with the hose since when the filter stops working at least it pumps the full smell out still I onoy just brought my first printer and ive spent 6 months researching, comparing, watching reviews on every printer, watching what youtubers are using for what I want one for. I have to admit these guys lost me almost at the start of my journey because it feels like they are at least 2 generations behind everyone else but think there brand is worth a premium price for some reason. If they fixed a few things and added heated vat and a few ui upgrades and software features like multi exposure tests to speed up calibration and also get the price down more it would be a top contender but they aren't even competition for the other brands anymore lol

[@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel]

I believe Dynax mode is…..glorious potato

[@FuriouseMiniatures]

the amount of times you brought up you not being bitter and how they stopped talking to you makes you sound bitter lmao. One time in a the beginning and end is enough i promise lmao

[@FauxHammer]

lol, so you missed the end where I admitted this?

[@Kev_lexington]

I believe Dynamax increases the speed of the print while unlocking certain options. EDIT: What the fuck?

[@christiangruening352]

@fauxhammer My reply function seems to be bugged: Uniformation announced today the GK3Ultra lineup

[@herasuziel9]

Where to find this Heavy Knight figure at 25:24? Couldn't find it in the links in the description...or i'm to dumb.

[@FauxHammer]

Sorry, that one comes on the printer

[@herasuziel9]

@@FauxHammer Dammit, thats a nice one 😉

[@benkonczal4584]

I’m watching this and trying to understand this companies blatant crappiness… I suspect they may be owned by a much larger parent company who needs a write off. OR they have the ability to literally “throw” these together and know they will sell just enough to make it worth their while… Regardless, thank you for doing the deep dive so everyone knows why they should buy….. just about any other printer on the market. I won’t even pimp the GK Two again (whoops. I messed that up didn’t I ? 😂)

[@christiangruening352]

@fauxhammer Have you the GK3Ultra cooking up?

[@FauxHammer]

Never Heard of it, unless they announced the name, which I'm sure they haven't. But if such a printer exists, I'll have a video out on announcement day

[@insanschino]

dynax is direct subscrible-please-thanks xD

[@FauxHammer]

Likel, commentl, and subscribble

[@PaulsGarage]

They stopped talking to you too?

[@FauxHammer]

They’ve started again after this video

[@Hero1117a]

Can I come to your birthday 🎉?

[@Lurker1222]

Why would any get this over any other printer?

[@LambertCinema]

What I don't understand is why Creality has not replied back to you? I've worked with tons of businesses & the #1 advice they've all abided by was "COMMUNITY". If there's someone doing a thorough test & putting your product through the ringer & giving out HONEST opinions & experience, never take that for granted, you're ignoring a customer. Especially a customer with 65k subscribers on KZbin, keep in mind that customers often provide reviews on websites, their personal social media sites, etc & OTHER CUSTOMERS READ THEIR EXPERIENCE. No one on the face of this earth is willing to spend money on anything that costs $200+ & have a bad experience. Get it together Creality, there's always forgiveness from both parties, we're all in this together.

[@FauxHammer]

I don’t either. Especially since I was told my guy left only to find out weeks later he’s still working there with other peoples.

[@user-me2zb1bz3u]

Who even cares about Creality when we have ELEGOO MARS 4 ULTRA

[@FauxHammer]

Fair point. but a closer comparison would be Saturn

[@terranceroberts6259]

You reviewed only 60 printers. Pff. No wonder they wont take your opinions on board. Ha ha ha . Seriously though, you think these companies would want hard, matter of fact reviews, if it means the company can make a better one. I cant wait to see the next Uniformation release. I got a email of a pending release today!

[@JumCuggler]

Jesus lord, this printer is a piece of junk. Thank you for taking the hit and buying one to review so that others don't make the mistake of buying it.

[@FauxHammer]

I sent it back. That is one saving grace, they let me have a refund. And I never sent the camera back either

[@Brodoodle]

Having seen what Creality achieved in the FDM side over my last 10 years in the hobby I feel that we are going to be continually disappointed with the progress they make. Creality just seems to not do much more innovation these days and just ride the brand recognition they have from the earlier FDM days. My personal tinfoil hat theory is that because they didn't win the "race to the bottom" (Make it as cheap as possible) as they did in the FDM space they have almost given up the idea of a large market share in the Resin space, Thus the lack of investment in making advancements besides the generic screen "Upgrades" we get each release cycle, Not like they do much innovation in the FDM space anymore.. , But hey that's just an opinion from someone who's had a far too many Creality FDM machines during the hobby XD

[@mgsghost]

My mage pro sucks ass the pump is slower than a month of Sundays and changing the screen if you can even find one is the hardest thing I have ever done on any resin or fdm printer

[@jamessalisbury3320]

A smelly smelly bum bum.😂😂😂😂 ahhh Ross I love it.

[@FauxHammer]

Fart face too!

[@jamessalisbury3320]

@@FauxHammer I love your little comments you make. Also I think it’s funny when a company stops communication all because you spoke the truth in a review they asked you to do. Keep the vids coming. Live the reviews.

[@giann5786]

i was about to Buy the "new" halot play, I can't pay more than 200$ , because of taxes and shipment fees,. , i Guess i'll stay in small printers a few months more.

[@FauxHammer]

Well I haven’t tested that one. So please go see reviews on it. Never base a machine on a review of a different machine from the same brand. Creality have made decent printers. This is more just complex and poorly explained.

[@giann5786]

@@FauxHammer the Thing is that there is no reviews yet, nobody... And its listed on Amazon. But all the reviews on amz are about other products, trying to raise their punctuation (3 stars) looks Bad and suspicious in My opinion.

[@FauxHammer]

@@giann5786ah, I’d be patient then.

[@jamesgates1074]

Oh shit, it's Creality. Get ready for some jank.

[@punk6119]

Ive yet to see a creality product that ive been impressed with...

[@armholeeio]

Creality won’t be getting any dollar bucks from me, I have a Mars 2 pro and once the wife isn’t looking a will probably get another Elagoo type printer. Also Bravely Sir Robin ran away

[@SOCMMOB]

I've owned a Creality product for about 1.5 years now, and i'll never buy any of their junk ever again.

[@FauxHammer]

Fair! I love your profile pic

[@TheRoamingbison]

Wow, I've used over a half-dozen resin printers over the last few years and never seen anything as moronic as the Creality z-axis controls. This printer looks to have some decent qualities but then they do something pants on head stupid like that. It's no wonder they have struggled to build market share.

[@Drivenapollo]

It really felt like you were trying to find a redeeming value in this printer, but it never provided one to you. I agree the design is nice, but the user experience. 🤮 Also, birthday party for making it to the end!! Lol

[@FauxHammer]

Well said! And thanks!!! It’ll be fun!

[@Jokershadow696]

Creality just live in their own world like many other 3d printing companies from china. To build good printer isn't something difficult or expensive (bambu lab) . It seems they have heir own physics that is way diffrent from us, different gravity, temperature and many more.... is weird for me...

[@FauxHammer]

Yep, it’s weird. It’s like they don’t want money.

[@MrShaneSunshine]

The tile has non standard english phrasing which makes me hate it without watching it! Please.....my brain is bleeding!

[@prerecordedresponse9884]

The only word I can think of to describe this printer is "sloppy."

[@FauxHammer]

That’s pretty accurate

[@luisarevalo4645]

Comment so Ross can buy more Legos to play with his friends and not with SSBBF not invited to his bday party

[@schmiddy8433]

Creality was good for one printer: the original ender 3. Not because it was a good printer, but because it was cheap. Creality doesnt make good quality products and never has. They make knockoffs that are cheap and just barely work enough that it isnt a straight up scam.

[@NerdLegionInc]

I had 6 different creality prints. 4 resin and 2 fdm. I had many ridiculous issues with every single one of them. I've sold most and will never use their printers again. They. Are. Ass.

[@ivoidwarrantiesuk]

Subscrible? What Engrish is this?

[@FauxHammer]

Have you not subscribled or likeled the video? Likel, commentl and subscrible