Let's put an End to this...Who REALLY Won? (Jon Jones vs Dominick Reyes)

Let's revisit and put to rest, who really won in Jon Jones vs Dominick Reyes at UFC 247.
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[@TheWeasleMMA]

Which one next?

[@MaNiC_IMPressivE_M.M.A.]

Any there always dope

[@reecepattison5351]

Till vs wonderboy

[@mmastuff1150]

Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz 2

[@labboyztv]

Nunes Shevchenko 2!!

[@rodrigoortega1477]

Henry cejudo vs Demetrious Johnson 2 would be a great one

[@ezeyzeke7701]

The weasle out here ending Twitter arguments

[@noclipsbarrednick]

Not really I'm still arguing that Texas has the old rules octagon control does count. I don't know how the weasle takes every single state rules into the account but when irs taxes he acts like he can just make up what rules they use.

[@sclassmazoku7978]

@@noclipsbarrednick LMAO, If JBJ was controlling Reyes for even a decent amount of time then you could make an argument here. But, JBJ ONLY HAD 15 secs in this round (0 secs before this round), how tf are you gonna give JBJ the win just because of these 15 secs.

[@ezeyzeke7701]

@@noclipsbarrednick in old rules takedowns played a huge factor even if u didn’t keep them on the ground but there was no successful takedowns from jones till the 4th and 5th rds

[@blacksunday4231]

@@ezeyzeke7701 exactly, the takedowns happened in rounds everyone thought Jones won, but I keep hearing people bring up the takedowns, as if they were the difference in the fight. Everyone's argument for Reyes is that he won the first 3 rounds, so takedowns in the final 2 rounds are irrelevant. The third round is the debate in my opinion.

[@firstgivemearimjob.second8739]

@@blacksunday4231 but not really though. WAS in debate but everyone who isn’t biased knows who really won that fight.

[@bryanyau2001]

Someone tweet this to Jones to piss him off and watch him get petty lol

[@adorablecheetah2930]

Don't say this publicly 😂

[@xunsungwar77]

Jon Jones get angry easily. He don like people to say anything bad about him. Don post this online. if Jon Jones read this he is going to get upset.

[@steveguy3]

@@xunsungwar77 who wouldn't want Jones to be upset, he's a juiced up criminal

[@xunsungwar77]

@@steveguy3 yes. I agreed with you. Jon Jones maybe a bad bad human due to all those things he did in the past but don u agree everyone deserve a 36th chance?

[@bryanyau2001]

@@xunsungwar77 wow that’s as many times as he said he would move up to Heavgweight😌

[@jakem1021]

It’s sad to see considering where Dom is now. I remember watching the fight live I was certain that Dom won. Not even close.

[@steelersnation1622]

Reyes is a bum JJ the GOAT

[@AdnanKhan-jn8dz]

@@steelersnation1622 Khabib is the goat he never lose a round let alone a fight

[@niqowyd]

@@steelersnation1622 that bum pieced Jonny across the octagon for 15 minutes.

[@steelersnation1622]

@@niqowyd last i looked it said Reyes lost

[@niqowyd]

@@steelersnation1622 judges make mistakes. Look at all the strike numbers for that fight and just watch it and tell me who won. Those first 3 rounds weren’t close

[@jacktrevisan3382]

Gotta feel for Reyes. After that he’s not been the same and that last fight was brutal. He should’ve been champ but was robbed and it really hit him mentally he’s still a great fighter but just needs to take some time to recover and get a couple wins to boost his confidence. Hopefully he can at least get another crack at the belt he deserved to win.

[@itsgeodoodz]

I just commented something similar he doesn't fight with that hunger anymore like he's given up or something

[@itsgeodoodz]

He's coasting now, i dont think reyes wants to be champ hes happy being just another guy in the rankings

[@joepace9716]

@The greatest to never live i don't think its that, the judges are just incompetent. you see it in non title fights and in no name fights all the time. Take off your foil hat

[@hellofellowhumans9353]

@@joepace9716 that’s literally how it is. Stop being a sheep

[@joepace9716]

@@hellofellowhumans9353 the commission and judges are seperate from the ufc, they'd be massive fines and court procedures if it was exposed to not be that way. It goes both ways all the time, it's not worth trying to fix a sport when someone can get knocked out in seconds. Volk vs Holloway, max was more of a money cow than Volk yet he lost a fight most people thought he won. Give your nuts a tug. If it was fixed theyd be no point in following the sport. But no your right I'm a sheep for being able to use basic logic...

[@juanjosecarrete4037]

Even Jones corner thought he lost. Their reaction at the end is clearly of a loss.

[@nicolasgamant7389]

I can't believe one of the judge gave 4 round to jones .... WTF !!? did they picked Steve Wonder for the third judge ?

[@nicolasgamant7389]

Maybe Jones need more money, because he almost made nothing paying the judges XD that wouldn't shock me coming from a guy who said repeatedly " i'll do ANYTHING To win"

[@rickyaclickpowr2187]

😎👍 that's right!!

[@buzzardscry1383]

They knew he lost.

[@deanivan3951]

Bullshit! They told him he needed that round and he kicked his ass. Go cry in the corner.

[@exveeex9153]

Hope this becomes a series! Feeling the new ideas you're coming up with for the channel.

[@TheWeasleMMA]

Thanks man! Yeah, this series is really fun to do too because it helps me realize who won these fights too.

[@donovanchilton5817]

Big pig vs GSP

[@sefer1377]

@@TheWeasleMMA Great job, i hope you continue with this series.

[@Mista.Sir.]

💯 Amazing content

[@ayomideotukoya1731]

I agree this was soooo interesting

[@lolly_bread]

I think the Light, Medium & Heavy damage weighting is important and if we attribute 1, 2 & 3 units respectively to those weightings, it totals to Jones=24 & Reyes=41, which really puts this round into perspective. Given that judging is under a lot of pressure for making awful decisions (and rightfully so in too many cases), maybe better technology can incorporated to consider damage weighting like Weasel has done. Even if it requires more judges and equipment I think it has merit.

[@Getahelmet1]

Jon Jones was hospitalized after fighting gus the first time via stretcher and gus lost. Damage is vital for judging but popularity is more important in fight sports

[@lolly_bread]

@@Getahelmet1 Hmmm, on the face of it your "popularity" comment seems unlikely, but I kinda have to agree. As horrendous as it sounds that judges actually might put extra favour on "popular" fighters, it often perplexed me how Jones used to scrape by with decisions on many occasions including Santos, Reyes and probably even Gustafsson. At moments like those it had me wondering about bribes and shonky business. We have to remember this is Big business and Big dollars so preserving the championship status, or popularity, of certain celebrities (oops I mean fighters), makes good busine$$ $en$e. Over time, and particularly in recent years, the UFC have shown themselves to be a shady and underhanded cabal - you only have to listen to the endless complaints by top level fighters to know this, so it's no stretch to imagine they also have financial influence over some of the otherwise-poorly paid judges.

[@chrisdinke271]

@@Getahelmet1 You can't beat a champ unless it's a tko/ko it seems

[@1hit2hitown]

@@Getahelmet1 IT has nothing to do with popularity its all about vegas odds and sports betting. Whichever way makes vegas more money is the way the decision goes.

[@SadBoys.1996]

You’re a casual. Old unified rules. Under those, jones clearly won. Stop looking at this with the new unified rules. God I hate casuals.

[@donbilligatti3004]

Last Two rounds should be counted more When my favorite fighters win them -Joe Rogan probably

[@26michaeluk]

He actually said that after this fight so good call.

[@ImSpun13]

Yeah, go watch his episode with Rashad Evens…he literally said the last 2 rounds in a championship fight should count more. 😂

[@gingerspice2365]

It was tough seeing Reyes lose his first title defense.

[@Venus-yt8dd]

Robbery or not jones objectivally won, judges were doing their job so no.

[@theonetypingthis7186]

@@Venus-yt8dd gifting a decision to the money cow is not really part of the judging job, at least not officially

[@danielbaker1248]

@@Venus-yt8dd Jones did not objectively win. Sorry to destroy your delusion. And the Judges have been known to make awful decisions because they are, 99 times out of 100, not actually judging the fight based off of MMA standards (and not to mention they favor the current champ more because of the money factor).

[@firstgivemearimjob.second8739]

@@Venus-yt8dd “so no”? The delusion lol.

[@KerioFive]

@@Venus-yt8dd Jon loves you so much.. not

[@slayer6155]

Before watching the video, “was it a robbery” absolutely 100%

[@Sampsonoff]

The weasel agrees

[@lukeparnell742]

Sad thing is Jon Jones would never admit it or even acknowledge it

[@josegarza7719]

Why would he? The company was on his side clearly. Jones is a beoytch

[@ollie311]

I can’t believe Reyes is now on a 3 fight skid man 205 is the most underrated division in the ufc

[@simonscheideler4627]

Jon Jones left the division because he was scared.

[@gavinma4831]

@@simonscheideler4627 i don’t think he’s scared. He just wants the bag and was willing to fight ngannou which is honestly probably that worst match up for Jones.

[@VDR2612]

@@simonscheideler4627 he's smart and imagine calling a ufc fighter scared of fighting

[@emmanuelalva6597]

205 is probably the most boring division.

[@ethangarland8034]

@@emmanuelalva6597 maybe if you have a mental impairment

[@urcloned]

The weasles new series “ Who REALLY won “ lol love the content man

[@jlang7705]

Watching "Fake master" Sterling getting jacked by Yan for 4 rounds - now the guy acting like he's a champ - what a joke - making it seem like it was a close fight - LOL -

[@seanhammer6296]

Or more specifically "Who really won the 3rd round?"

[@jlang7705]

@@seanhammer6296 Reyes - round 1,2 - Jones - round 4,5 - 3.....? probably more of a tie - Jones gets the split decision - judges gave him Unanimous decision which is not correct - I still say Jones won that fight

[@jlang7705]

@VeeGeeCee #KeepTrollin

[@EnigmaticPeanut]

This could be huge. Theres a lot of robberies in plain sights that happened, especially in boxing.

[@jasonmalarchak3294]

This is amazing. I really thought that night Jones lost 4-1... I disregarded that because I thought santos won as well and after rewatching, I realized I was wrong. I assumed this was just the same situation so I never rewatched. Thank you sir

[@ProfessionalCurryDefender]

Nah Jones clearly beat Santos

[@mattyonjuul4692]

Chill out jones controlled the whole fight this guy said control means nothing that’s so cap ground control clinch control and striking control are all huge parts of what the judges look for so I say jones won 3-2 rounds 3-5 jones 1-2 reyes just for the striking cuz jones still had Reyes on his heels the whole fight he just kept movin back

[@user-nw2fv5uk4u]

Damage>all and reyes clearly did more damage

[@Steven-jd3ey]

@@mattyonjuul4692 control means nothing, read the criteria (for the first time clearly). Effective striking and grappling with immediate impact over cumulative > effective aggression > octagon control. Control doesn't come into play unless the first two criteria are equal, which they clearly weren't. Reyes pieced up Jones and gave him his first actual loss.

[@zombieepx1933]

id say round 2 and 3 were certainly close enough to go into secondary scoring criteria, reyes ran the whole fight. all 3 judges scored it in favor of jones, wasnt a robbery just an echo chamber of cope lmao@@Steven-jd3ey

[@954buggy]

Valentina vs Amanda 2!! Would love to see that weasel breakdown

[@josephfino5066]

YES!!! Valentina won that one!!

[@reg-hgsihkvlogz9586]

Yes!!! Some real poor decisions in the women's fights same with JJ v Wheli in my opinion

[@stevenminarik112]

Yes! One round (I believe the 2nd or the 3rd) was clearly valentina’s yet one judge gave it to Amanda. If you look closely, Amanda appeared to land many shots, though she was missing. That judge might have missed that fact in real time.... and that judge’s one point coat Valentina the fight.

[@HJules-cw6fb]

Of course. Just for sake of the series. We know the deal @TheWeasle

[@June-mi9th]

Agree, Val won. You can clearly see it in Amanda's Nose.

[@DoncoEntAgain]

I'd like to see Nunes vs Shevchenko 2.

[@atharali519]

Shevchenko won that one

[@whipsor]

@@atharali519 I was actually shocked when they gave it to Nunes and now Nunes acts like there's no reason for them to fight a third time. She's scared.

[@bubba2711]

Agreed

[@atharali519]

@@whipsor don't get me wrong she is good but Valentina's better 😁

[@xftbllplyr2091]

You guys will unsubscribe when that comes out. The truth hurts, Nunes won

[@seanheaney8303]

These are the breakdowns we never knew we needed! Revolutionary idea man! This serious is going to be huge for your channel! Keep up the good work!

[@tonyc7301]

Dom won 3-2, and it isn’t really debatable

[@naveenbance9514]

professional judges disagree with you 😂

[@rambopack9140]

@@naveenbance9514judges under the ufc boot, who benefits off jones 😂

[@GrubKiller436]

@@naveenbance9514 One judge scored it 4-1 for Jones. We're not gonna pretend that the UFC judges aren't corrupt. They've made corrupt decisions numerous times in favor of their superstars.

[@truthseeker96]

GSP vs Hendricks next please 👍

[@langvuong9892]

Juice head Hendrick deserved to get robbed.

[@4kids555]

@@langvuong9892 like gsp is not a cheater

[@benwyso810]

Yes!

[@GMPro24]

@@4kids555 hes not?

[@mezutzizu]

@@langvuong9892 .

[@taleofthetape7499]

“I feel like those last two rounds should count more” -Joe Rogan

[@MrDeftones122755]

“I feel like you can’t just beat the champ you gotta take it from the champ”- rashad Evans, that podcast showed how bias people are towards Jon Jones

[@mr.ditkovich6379]

"Jan is getting outstruck and this is not the best opportunity for him to win" - Joe Rogan during Jan vs Israel

[@marcoerbifori8683]

@@MrDeftones122755 it's not false at the end of the day, Dominic was done after third round. But, yes, for the sport it was a robbery.

[@nathanrudd2327]

The last round of a fight should count the most honestly, it's hard to say you won a fight after getting your ass whooped at the end of it, not saying Jones vs Reyes was like that at all. I'm just saying. Edit: actually read my comment, I clearly stated Jones vs reyes was not like that.

[@kurthuber8665]

@@mr.ditkovich6379 when the striking numbers showed up and Jan was out striking Israel, I melted in my chair when Joe said that. There is no way there wasn’t bias involved.

[@xunsungwar77]

Guys there is a reason why Jon Jones left the LHW division. Look at what Reyes did to Jon Jones then look at what others did to Reyes. Jon Jones is done. And of cause he is also going to price himself out of all his heavy weight fight.

[@Josh-on-journey]

Thank you! I've been saying this for months. Here is the chain of events: -Jones loses to Reyes. -Jones runs away from the rematch. -Jones is stripped of the belt. -Jones starts complaining he isn't paid enough and wants McGregor money. He used to be a great fighter that was good to his fans. He needs to get back to his roots if he wants to start making good money again.

[@MrJadedGreen]

@@Josh-on-journey He's been cheating since long ago and was either not tested, balanced out correctly, or just out and out got caught is how he used to be a great fighter. He's been a spoiled psychopath narcissist for longer and has never cared for his fans. Only those that kissed his ass by agreeing how good he is. He gets the bad publicity because he deserves it. He doesn't get paid because he doesn't deserve it. He has WAY more than he deserves.

[@seanbrowne5770]

I disagree. Styles make fights and Jones Achilles heel is a fighter with long reach like himself. Jones probably would've dealt with the stockier power punchers far easier.

[@MrJadedGreen]

@@seanbrowne5770 Jones 84.5 reach Cormier 72.5 -12 Cheated both fights and got caught. Stripped of title both. OSP 80 -4.5 Cheated. Got Caught. Gus 79 -5.5 (1) Decision. (2) TKO Stepped up PEDS cause he knew he had to. Smith 76 -8.5 Decision Santos 76 -8.5 Decision, but got his ass whooped by a guy with no legs and still had to be helped into the back himself. Santos walked out on his own. Reyes 77 -7.5 Lost. Still retained the belt though. In a fair, correct fight, Cormier would beat him 9 out of 10 times. (Longest reach disadvantage.) OSP wasn't good enough to beat him. Still cheated. (Least reach disadvantage.) He was cheating in Gus 1 and possibly lost that fight. Cheated harder in rematch to make sure it didn't happen. (Second shortest reach disadvantage.) Smith? Could go either way in a fair correctly done fight at any time. (Tied for 2nd longest reach disadvantage.) Santos destroyed his own knees, hurt Jones with leg kicks still, walked out on his own while Jones was helped out and to the back. Could have went either way. (Tied for 2nd longest reach disadvantage.) Reyes with the second longest reach disadvantage beat him. (But lost.) (3rd longest reach disadvantage.)

[@seanbrowne5770]

@@MrJadedGreen tbf u could argue Jones just wasn't motivated for his later fights in the light heavyweight division. I dont think so I think the games just evolved and the competitions tougher. Still tho fair play for typing all that out it's very hard to disagree now🤣

[@jimmyjameson8705]

That's why Jones moved to hw... He was gonna lose his lhw belt soon.

[@GrubKiller436]

He would've lost to prime Jiri. Jon Jones is afraid of the hungry wolves that climb the hill.

[@itsyoboigucci7578]

I was so mad on that day and so surprised when Bruce Buffer announced Jon Jones as a winner cuz it was so clear that Reyes won that fight.

[@hischam0698]

Yes

[@SadBoys.1996]

You’re a casual. Old unified rules. Under those, jones clearly won. Stop looking at this with the new unified rules. God I hate casuals.

[@sunleo6161]

Reyes def won

[@killamazilla3835]

@@sunleo6161 nah he didn't

[@xshv87ziiiii]

​@@killamazilla3835😂😂😂

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737]

Never forget that dom reyes changed coaches after most people think he beat JON JONES and has been koed cold in his last 2 fights since then

[@takisk.7698]

Didn't know he changed coaches after the Jones fight.. interesting.

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737]

@@takisk.7698 yeah Jon anik said so as he was walking out for the Jan fight

[@rvckyym]

Damnnn damn damn

[@rvckyym]

He shoulda Been moving like max Ain broke dont fix it

[@Charles-yf5bk]

haha what he deserves. ungrateful shit his team got him there to begin with and he just gonna drop them because of one L

[@HeyAveon]

Nunes vs The GOAT Valentina 2. THATS the fight we need answers for!!

[@dlilwon]

You mean 3. Didn’t they already fight twice?

[@HeyAveon]

@@dlilwon it's for what fight he should break down and see who really won. Since 3 hasn't happened, it cant be 3

[@jdrobin1]

Valentina won the he second fight. The first is a toss up

[@HeyAveon]

@@jdrobin1 I think Nunes won the 1st. She won the rounds 1 and 2, then Valentina dominated the 3rd round. But I think Valentina won the 2nd fight.

[@djbriantalbot]

@@HeyAveon it's kinda like Amanda only has a chance when the settings are on "Easy"

[@Ryan-sd4ir]

I like what you included after and broke down what could have been different in the UFC if the other fighter won. Keep doing that same thing after you break down the fight. It makes you think about it more

[@galacticmaui2]

Damage is hard to measure. Between placement, how much power the attacker generates, the ability to absorb shots by the defender mixed in with having or not having a good poker face it’s almost impossible to get an accurate idea of what’s happening in fights these close. You move a KO shots placement an inch and the results change even though it’s thrown just as hard. How many times have we heard fighters say after they were in all sorts of trouble after what wouldn’t appear to be a heavy shot with no one aware while on the other hand some fighters have taken bombs and felt little to nothing. This isn’t specific aimed at this fight but just in general.

[@johnjohnsonstein8409]

Okay but he still landed more total strikes lol. And at 205, most punches are going to have a lot of power behind them

[@garrisonturner3232]

​@@johnjohnsonstein8409The last sentence of his comment said "this isn't aimed at this fight specifically."

[@calvynvanwyk1395]

I remembered texting a friend of mine who was a big Jones fan in the 5th round that his boy had lost. Was so disappointed in this robbery man.

[@nicholaslopez6384]

What did your friend say when Jon won?

[@calvynvanwyk1395]

@@nicholaslopez6384 haha some shit like Jon wil never lose

[@nicholaslopez6384]

@@calvynvanwyk1395 ahah savage ass

[@zenithpath8707]

@@calvynvanwyk1395 He wasn't wrong

[@tmerchead1]

@@calvynvanwyk1395 He wasn't wrong.

[@HondudeTeamMudhogs]

Henry vs DJ please. That one will take some time due to the takedowns and scoring “effective grappling”.

[@Oldhandlewasabitcringe]

Still think dj was done dirty, not jusy from the decision but selling him off to one after and giving him no respect

[@HondudeTeamMudhogs]

@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe Ya I just felt like Henry got takedowns but didn't advance position, use any ground strikes or threaten submissions so his grappling was literally just to waste time. I thought Dj was gunna get the nod.

[@markwatson5995]

Great suggestion

[@Oldhandlewasabitcringe]

@Rainbow Dirt so youre not a fan then?

[@HondudeTeamMudhogs]

@Rainbow Dirt tell us how you really feel

[@zachcoleman3357]

Great series man. This is style I haven't seen yet. You're pretty good man ;]

[@ChristopherRyans]

I've been with you for awhile just wanted to say congratulations on the channel and the views your getting on videos. It's got to be tons of work that's why I wanted to take the time out to say thank you and congratulations

[@prashant2840]

Kevin Lee vs Charles Who actually won ??? Kevin Lee was only appreciating the choke attempt of Charles by patting Charles on his back and those fools thought he tapped

[@adarsh6519]

😂

[@Anon-nv7bp]

what about Masvidal/Askren? I saw Masvidal tap at least 3 times to a knee injury.

[@prashant2840]

@@Anon-nv7bp Agreed Masvidal Tapped.

[@clockworkman8210]

@Srinaath Anbudurai chael pinned silva for the 3 count....damn judges screwed him lol

[@GoddessLadyRei]

Jones was my favorite fighter. Reyes won the fight.

[@GapModel1]

Reyes is my favorite fighter of all time and Jon is a cheater and a criminal. Jon won the fight.

[@jimnosnow4484]

No way Reyes won the first 3 rounds

[@HJules-cw6fb]

My fav too. I thought it was close. I agree. There was so many misses from Reyes but he was a beast with output

[@chrisriveraaa8668]

youre just saying that to make it seem like youre not choosing sides. theres a reason theyre called championship rounds. chael beat anderson for 4 1/2 rounds and at the very end he pulled through. you dont judge someone if theyre winning in the beginning.

[@GoddessLadyRei]

@@chrisriveraaa8668First off Sonnon threw the fight with Anderson. I only did amature MMA. However I knew when someone was trying to use the triangle. You never let them move your arm across your body and you stack that ass. You don't pull away. Two Reyes kicked his ass and yes I loved Jon. Until the 3000th time he got busted for cheating and other drug use.

[@jasonswof4048]

GSP vs Johnny Hendricks, do it, NOW!

[@notjack113]

Bit different considering Hendricks was a drug cheat lol

[@Mac_Raymond]

Johnny won that clearly

[@saunajoe5973]

@@Mac_Raymond no

[@Cnut_the_grape]

@@notjack113 yes he was, but this isn't a question of who would've won under better testing, this is a a question of who won when they actually fought.

[@notjack113]

@@Cnut_the_grape doesn't matter. Drug cheats should be booted out with their accomplishments stripped

[@jackgriffiths3662]

Hey man you definitely make this a series great to watch👍

[@LT.CarterBlake]

I'd love to see Jones vs Gus 1, I always felt that Gus won the fight but after watching like 50 times out of pure enjoyment not actually analysing, I genuinely do think now that Jones won but I'd love to see it broken down by you Weasle

[@WillPage]

Great fight. definitely close.

[@anonymouss7741]

Nah Gus lose and everyone that wanted Gus to win on a rematch thought he would destroy Jones if they fought again and Jones destroyed him even worse lol the second time 😂🤦‍♂️ And the only reason why it was close was because Gus was about the same height and reach which Jones never experienced before So he had to adapt pretty much to his own size

[@laiwurofg1314]

Watched it after everyone kept saying that Gus won. I don't think he won at all, and I am by no means a Jones fan

[@justinklenk]

@Kaicher Mung Yo, man, they're talking only about Gus vs Jones here, bro.

[@zwryy7622]

@Kaicher Mung you don't even know the judging criteria LMAO

[@saia24]

I still remember joe rogan saying "I think jon just lost the first 3 rounds" to immediately saying at the end of the match " I don't know who won?" Complete lies what a clown show

[@alfiecoplestone7015]

prob due to the 4th and 5th being obvious it made him feel more 50/50. when i watched the fight i thought jones won because of the last 2 rounds and a close 3rd due to bias. not bias towards jones but bias that he won the 4th/5th.

[@peergynt9852]

@@alfiecoplestone7015 2/5 isnt 50/50 ffs

[@alfiecoplestone7015]

@@peergynt9852 to judges it may be. when 1 is obvs, 2 is obvs. 3 is somewhat close, but then 4 and 5 is obvs. it may cause bias

[@peergynt9852]

@@alfiecoplestone7015 its simple math dude

[@Pwanx0w]

@@alfiecoplestone7015 The judges score it round by round, the score of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds are already written down when the 4th and 5th rounds begin. So no bias possible, just utter bs

[@Juel92]

Arguably the biggest robbery in the sport considering the weight of the decision.

[@DavidJames-uo9hr]

I think G.S.P vs Hendricks was. George got his ass kicked. At the post fight conference George looked like he got jumped

[@SumthinFishy]

@@DavidJames-uo9hrlook where Hendricks and Reyes are now. Both weren’t the same after.

[@ghostjason878]

@@DavidJames-uo9hr gsp won the fight on control time the scoring criteria was much different back then

[@joshuae4639]

​@DavidJames-uo9hr that was definitely not a robbery. You could easily see gsp winning. All though I think the fairest outcome would've been a tie

[@Steven-jd3ey]

@@DavidJames-uo9hr GSP vs hendricks was A LOT closer than this. I think Hendricks won but you could make an argument for GSP. In this fight, Jones got beat up and clearly lost.

[@T.W.I.E.A.I.L.F.W]

Not only did he give us a breakdown, but he also gave us an alternate timeline. This is why I’m subbed

[@F3RR3LL]

Definitely do nunes vs Valentina 2, I’ve always thought Valentina won that fight.

[@4Sim0n4]

No she didnt

[@darkghoul4049]

If I had my way, judges wouldn’t even be there and a ai that determines damage done with all possible calculations and spit out the winner. Fantasy land is awsm 😂

[@passofar]

Dude lets do this.

[@pstratos7]

Like the ufc video game

[@Apolloneek]

Yeah but then they wouldn't even have fights just ai match ups. Unless they used alot of cameras and movement capture and review by humans in case of dispute that was scored by computer

[@nicolasgamant7389]

I'll be more than ok with that ! It's a math game, feelings don't have their place here; and i quote one of the justes : "i gave the win To Jones, because he would have won, if there were a 6th round " .... WTF !!!

[@nicolasgamant7389]

@@Apolloneek what the hell are you talking about !? I don't see how having an AI judging scores, would negate the need for the fighters To fight...

[@chrisb3k1]

With the sport growing, and with mounting questionable decisions by judges, I think you could really make an impact with these kinds of videos. You've got the knowledge and background to really clear up for us these questionable decisions. I think you nailed the Holloway/Volk fight, just like you did this one... with clear video evidence. And you're so right, it's all about DAMAGE! And here's the thing: NO ONE is covering this topic in MMA right now! So good on you for doing the work, and just to reiterate: I really thing these kinds of videos could be hugely impactful for both the fans and the sport. Thank you.

[@JammyTom]

I would love to hear a breakdown of Jon vs Gus. It's always educational to get your analysis

[@nickvantinteren9871]

I always thought it was the number of strikes and significant strikes basically tallied up, which has always outweighed damage in the judges' eyes. Hence GSP beat Hendrix, Bisping bear Silva, etc etc.

[@thistle_boy]

Before watching this, I'm commenting that Reyes won that shit.

[@vonclaren1]

Damn right, we all know he did

[@FoxUnitNell]

@@vonclaren1 It would have been better for jon's career and the reputation of mma were they rightfully give the title to Reyes after the fight. It was a true underdog story against the greatest fighter ever whom loss the match he wasn't suppose to lose. That's a great narrative and shows the audience how effective mma is since the biggest odds of all sports was over came - but with Jones given the win, it just makes mma look cheap and populist; they are just trying to be mainstream and marketable rather than a sport and respectful to the martial arts that formed it with fair play and non biases.

[@otallono]

@@FoxUnitNell or at least an immediate rematch. No one just gives a belt to their opponent. It still wouldn't be official.

[@CorruptOutcast]

Moral of the story: Pillow Hands Jones fooled the judges.

[@angelsjoker8190]

It's not even only pillowhands, he even had less landed strikes period. So even in point fighting, he would have lost.

[@allenmk138]

Most of Jones opponents hit harder than him, so just basing a whole win cause Reyes landed 3 more damaging shots is stupid. If the difference was 10 or more, then that's what you call a robbery. A close fight that comes down to one close round isn't a robbery.

[@robbiesantos7677]

@@allenmk138 not to mention he had reyes backing up the whole fight. Giving the impression he's doing more damage.

[@elyt777]

I wouldn't call this necessary a robbery, it wasn't one-sided. That been said, people kinda remember JJ from his earlier days when he beat Shogun, Machida, Rashad. But since the USADA, JJ has never been dominant. If u look at his record, since 2012 he got only one early finish. 8 years of 5-round fights in the 2nd heaviest division, no KO's. This is why Ngannou called JJ a "decision fighter". Only 1 sub over Gus. And those decisions weren't dominant either, this one lost to Reyes, a split decsion with Santos, & controversial 1st fight with Gus

[@Harris4Guitar]

@@allenmk138 bro... reyes outstruck him across 5 rounds... wtf are you talking about? even if its a close fight, the dude who landed more and fought better should be the winner...

[@sagethemage7]

Wow never saw someone breakdown fights like this, thank you

[@tdrivers1102]

Dude these videos are the best. So useful and informative

[@keonihillier981]

WEASEL NEEDS TO BE AN MMA JUDGE

[@lenox4166]

The confirmation is much appreciated. Please keep this series going

[@Tajueko86]

That's a great concept man!! Hopefully you'll do more of those, Gus of course but I'd like to see Thiago Santos Vs Jones as well.

[@spacentime7]

Wow man. I’ve been watching your content for a while now and this is by far one of the funnest videos you’ve ever made. I wasn’t expecting for you to go Inception on our ass towards the end but that was awesome. And so was the analysis of the rounds. Great job, brother!

[@imaXkillXya]

Weasle will now be getting called out by the Pico Champ in the TFC(Twitter Fighting Championship) after watching this video.

[@angelsjoker8190]

Hasn't PicoJones blocked him on Twitter¿

[@bljet4388]

@@angelsjoker8190 if he didnt, he will after he sees this

[@angelsjoker8190]

@@bljet4388 Yeah, Jones is quite sensible :D But I think Weasle mentioned once he got blocked by Jones, but maybe I'm confusing it with Derek from MorePlatesMoreDates who analyzed Jones steroid/PED usage.

[@bljet4388]

@@angelsjoker8190 shit i forgot derek made that video, gotta watch it again

[@saeres9288]

Awesome stuff as always! Can you do one on Shogun rua vs machida 1? That was a huge robbery back in the day

[@robertshafer8968]

Dude you cram so much detail into 8 min it’s amazing.

[@dragostoma9033]

I really like this kind of content. You should do one for Till vs Thompson or GSP vs Hendricks

[@Mista.Sir.]

Looks like this will be a new series , really hoping so love this content Weasle thanks fam 🤘🏽👊🏽

[@savvaskhub9771]

Please make more vids man. .I loved it....keep it up . ...

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

You should do one of these with the Izzy vetorri 1 fight. This series is a good idea, you should definitely make this a regular series.

[@Itzconr]

Was wait for this, saw so many comments on the last video glad you made this.

[@juantirado8249]

Wait you really did it lmao, i loved the Volk vs Max vid, and if this is a new series it would be great Btw i'd like to say a few interesting fights that you could analyse: Lawler vs Condit, GSP vs Hendricks, Rob vs Yoel 2, Nunes vs Valentina 2, Edgar vs Maynard 2, Benson Henderson vs Frankie Edgar 2, GSP vs BJ Penn 1, Thiago Santos vs Jon Jones, and Brandon Moreno vs Deiveson Figueiredo 1. I know that it's probably not easy to make this videos, but i'm proposing a few good ones to see if you're intersted in any of them and make a video at least of one

[@jlang7705]

I disagree with both Vids. Max won, and Jon won.

[@WillPage]

@@jlang7705 You think Jon won this fight? Seriously?

[@jlang7705]

@@WillPage Not unanimous - but by split decision - yes - he won

[@desertfox738]

Can’t do Edgar vs Maynard III, Edgar knocked out Maynard in that fight lol.

[@juantirado8249]

@@desertfox738 ohhh yes you're right, i forgot lmao

[@KidbuuGODMODE]

Damn, I thought I was already subscribed to you and I had watch basically all your videos, SUBSCRIBE fight crew! ;) Keep doing you!!!

[@Crasham1]

I love this keep doing this bro! Great job

[@timephire]

Loving this new-ish series, can't wait for episode 3 of "Let's put an End to this..."!

[@lewisgordon3958]

Far and away the most blatant robbery I've ever witnessed live. It was so absurd and, frankly, disgusting.

[@capalottyslimalini2878]

You can’t judge a fight simply with strikes cuz Jones took shots but was never really hurt in the fight. Control matters, walking down the opponent, grappling, take downs

[@sbakernyc5761]

Biggest robbery is a stretch... GSP Hendricks was more aggregious for me

[@davedanger4414]

@@capalottyslimalini2878 Strikes DO matter MOST when scoring. Walking down opponents and being EFFECTIVELY aggressive are something to consider, but Jones was getting bopped while walking Reyes down, so that's not "effectively" controlling the fight. Plus, you can easily tell that the judging was poor based on one judge having it 46-49. It comes down to who won more rounds and Reyes won the first 3. I remember thinking Jones was going to run through him, too. The decision surprised the hell out of me. I couldn't believe it. That 49-46 might be some of the worst judging I have ever seen. One judge gave round 2 to Reyes and the other gave round 3 to Reyes. The UFC is notorious for bad judging, too.

[@kwesietsibah2917]

@@capalottyslimalini2878 what are u talking about? The only that happened in the first 3 rounds is striking and Reyes clearly won in the striking department . He got robbed plain and simple

[@onepunchflan3071]

It was a robbery but not a huge one. Watch edson barboza vs Dan ige that was one of the worst ive seen. Even max holloway vs volk 2 was a bigger robbery than this one.

[@freshcakes1382]

Loving these breakdowns and the idea of objective point scoring instead of the opinions of the 3 stooges in the judges chairs.

[@ashishshinde9871]

with all those Heavy shots we expect Jons to backdown but, he doesn't he keeps on fighting that show the heart of true champion. Plus there were 5 round you've to break all of them

[@reecepattison5351]

People that deny Reyes winning are hilarious Great video once again ❤️

[@mikeyrandom13]

EXACTLY

[@adcavenger1980]

They are simps for jons

[@seanhammer6296]

If Reyes would've won he wouldn't have lost. But he lost, so therefore we can only determine that he did not win.

[@Teddyisoffline]

@@seanhammer6296 is this ironic i hope if so good one

[@kevo6463]

Even if he did win how Is he doing now??

[@prashant2840]

Khabib vs Tibau You gotta do it Weasle 🙏

[@TheArtimusMaximus]

Good call but I definitely had K winning on closer viewing. Love to be proven otherwise though

[@prashant2840]

@@TheArtimusMaximus I also think Khabib won very slightly. But it was so close they could have given it to Tibau and it would still be fine. No robbery because it was too close

[@jumbroni6014]

This is why we need open scoring. The crowd would see the scores and freak out.

[@Fearthesmoke]

A whole new series “What if the other guy won” you say everything that would’ve happened.

[@blacknap0le0n56]

Bruh, I love these videos of controversial decisions broken down by round! It's like the most objective way to consider the data and evidence before determining one's decision. I'd love to see Gustafson vs Jones breakdown! Well done!

[@UncleBilly171]

Your profile pic 🙌🏿

[@goosenuggets9693]

@@UncleBilly171 What's so special about his profile pic?

[@martinjohnson2381]

@TheWeasle building in your point that it's all about damage, what do you think of the idea of keeping your tally for l/m/h attacks, dropping the 'total' count and replacing it with a score, where a: Light = 1 Medium = 1.25 Heavy = 1.5 This way we focus on total 'damage' and not total 'strikes' (where we don't actually count damage as a factor)? Great channel, thanks for the content.

[@cassanateli]

Sounds like significant strikes vs strikes to me

[@Los150]

A 49-46 is WILD 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@citadel9611]

This fight really p!ssed me off. Reyes clearly won this fight. It is these kinds of fights why I quit boxing.

[@schmakyle649]

I initially thought Jones lost when I watched it live but then after watching it again I thought Jones won.

[@Kwasimitsu]

Agreed. People's desire to see him lose outweighs their clarity.

[@BaconRecoil]

@@Kwasimitsu he lost 3 rounds to 2 that he won. If my math adds up Jones lost more rounds than won, hence him losing the fight

[@N1rOx]

And after watching this?

[@Jack_80]

@@BaconRecoil "but jones won the last 2 rounds. those are worth more, that's why they're called championship rounds." i actually saw people use this a lot. they obviously have no idea how scoring works and were admitting jones lost without even realizing it. if the last 2 rounds were worth more, you wouldn't see much action in those first couple rounds, they'd be conserving their energy for the lster rounds.

[@schmakyle649]

@@N1rOx after watching this I could say Reyes won 3 rounds to 2 but Reyes looked like shit in the 5th round and I’m sure that’s why the judges scored it the way they did. If he woulda looked good in the 5th I’m sure they woulda gave it to Reyes

[@pt1456]

I think its all about how the judged perceived the fight in that moment. Even though Reyes landed the more damaging shots Jones never really showed any signs of being hurt (didnt get rocked or wobbled) and the judges might not have thought they were that good because of that. And because Jones was the one moving forward the majority of the round, they might have seen two fighters with similar output but one was moving forward more. Just a theory though. Still crazy how one judge had it 4-1 Jones.

[@CasualGamer121]

Yea obviously. The point of these videos are to review the fight and determine if the judges made the right choice.

[@dersuchende1531]

Nah the judges just were biased Jones simps.

[@caspar_gomez]

right. Weasel going through frame by frame in slow mo to pick out a 3 strike difference like that's in any way conclusive. That's impossible in real time, perception and effect DOES matter

[@dersuchende1531]

@@caspar_gomez Yeah and Dom's striking was wayyyy more effective. If all non-jones fans saw it how can the judges not? (Unless the judges are Jones fanboys as well 😏)

[@caspar_gomez]

@@dersuchende1531 it looked like a super close, non conclusive fight in real time. I think Dom probably edged it technicaly, but without any real damage being done (no knockdowns or cuts etc), jones being champ and finishing strong, we can't call it a robbery. Considering Reyes hasn't done shit in the division since, they probably made the right call

[@bluefire5842]

So Reyes was the one that actually won, but in favor of jones they picked him. Jones was bigger, older and had way more fights. Jone 27-1,Reyes 12-4. Reyes was clearly the better man here.

[@thanevakarian9762]

“It’s about damage” who needed help leaving the cage?

[@freeninj1369]

It’s a round based scoring system not a overall one😭

[@nickbarnes8279]

Its also NOT about damage. "effective striking and grappling" is the #1 criteria. Something doesn't have to do much damage to be effective. E.g oblique kick

[@osamamanan2723]

@@nickbarnes8279 effective striking means damaging striking.

[@osamamanan2723]

Because reyes lost round 5 bad. Round 4 was close.

[@porkchopsandapplesauce]

You can eat 300 strikes in the fifth round break your nose and Sprain both your legs as long as you secured the first three

[@gmartines8511]

when I heard unanimous decision I knew they gave it to Jones I mean clearly that 4-1 judge don't know shit

[@khalidqureshi3168]

Well, the other 2 judges dont know shit as well tbh

[@xunsungwar77]

U are too innocent. That 4-1 judge don know shit? I think he is up to something. $$$$

[@gimlysadasda]

@@xunsungwar77 Its just as likely to be either of them, or even both haha. MMA judges seem to have basic boxing judging knowledge at best

[@clockworkman8210]

its fixed, protecting the cashcow if we only knew how much sport is controlled and fixed to maximise the wealth we're better to play dumb and enjoy it lol

[@khalidqureshi3168]

@@clockworkman8210 i don't really think that's the case.....i know of a controversial decision that involves the cashcow losing, cejudo vs dj 2. They might just be bad decisions or maybe what they see, its obviously impossible for them to see all we can because of different angles

[@ets9326]

You should've done RD 2. It's much closer than you're saying because Reyes misses with most of his attacks. One Judge did score it for Jones and gave Reyes Rd 3 which I believe is the correct scorecard.

[@killamaniac57]

These are so good TheWeasle!

[@MarcraM82]

these are very good, keep doing it

[@andrewcruz1931]

I loved the ‘alternate future’ part lol , that was very interesting.

[@chancegray4923]

Definitely would love to see a breakdown of Joanna vs Weili next. Lots of people think that was one of, if not, the best UFC fights of all time due to being such a closely contested, high pace fight the whole way through

[@benjaminbrozene]

Love the new series!

[@francismartial6427]

I'm a huge Reyes fan and will always defend the claim that he should've been crowned champ that night but the respect I have for Jones that after almost a decade on top is still beating these top guys/having very competitive fights with them is truly amazing and something Gus, Santos or Reyes could never replicate. An almost unbeatable legacy that only the 1% of the 1% can accomplish

[@metalcoremania1]

Before usada bro. Relax. That matters

[@Chris-2]

@@metalcoremania1 but why? Pretty much everyone Jon beat before USADA was on gear too lmao…. It’s not like he was the only one juicing, so I don’t see how it invalidates his legacy back then. And believe me, I’m not a big fan on Jon lol

[@metalcoremania1]

@@Chris-2 solid point fair play tbh

[@Chris-2]

@@metalcoremania1 I feel you tho man, I’ve never disliked someone I’ve never met before as much as Jon Jones lmao. He definitely lost the Reyes fight, but his legacy is just impossible to deny otherwise. I wish he wasn’t such an awful human being so I could be a fan lmao

[@Jiggaballs64]

@@metalcoremania1 True but remember that Jones fought a juiced up roidhead vitor belfort that was knocking out everyone

[@rucelleandrotorres7794]

Nunes vs Shevchenko 2

[@Popebott34]

Yes give us the Gus vs Jones round breakdowns!

[@apathy7663]

I believe round 2 made the difference not round 3 Round 1 and 3 went Reyes not round 2

[@josuef.2593]

Fuckin exactly.

[@dude-us9gy]

It’s sad being from Texas and seeing the Texas commission screw up yet again…

[@MrDeathbydying]

Do one for Rob and Yoel, second fight

[@Stephen7764.]

Here's my take - Rob definately won 3 rounds of that fight, but Romero did a lot more damage in the two rounds that he won. That fight is great example of why I don't like the judging system, imho a winner should be the fighter who did more damage.

[@brokcen2748]

That would be a good video even tho i would ignore it and just say rob won Im a salty rob fan

[@ahmeddjeghri6879]

Rob 1-2 Yoel 3 (not a 10-8, Rob was still answering and throwing big shots) Rob 4 (but he got rocked at the end of it) Yoel 5 (should've been a 10-8)

[@clearlyalunhead1109]

@@brokcen2748 same dude

[@srijanagrawal255]

jones vs gus next for sureeee

[@supergary4988]

What a great idea. I say a top 10 of controversial calls if you haven’t done so already and then commentary of each one separately.

[@lowki4320]

this fight was not a robbery by no means

[@madgavin7568]

Yes it was.

[@MrGuyalord]

GSP va Hendricks please !!!! And don’t forget that Hendricks tapped to gsp which made him release a bit of the choke !!!!

[@ashb4275]

Hendricks tapped? What round and time? Genuine question, I honestly can't remember it and would like to go back and see it. Haven't watched that fight for years.

[@MrGuyalord]

If i recall correctctly it was in the first round , i’ll play it back tomorrow when i will be sober, much love brother!

[@S.A.N.503]

Joanna vs Weili is absolutely one of the greatest fights I've ever seen! That would be a awesome breakdown video! 💯

[@cf7804]

@Hot Balls ...it was one of the greatest fights ever regardless of how long someone had been watching the MMA...

[@S.A.N.503]

@Hot Balls I've been watching MMA since 2004. And I stand by my statement 100% that fight has everything. Great striking technique, footwork, endurance, toughness, heart, and they were very closely matched. We just didn't see any ground work. Not sure what you think a great fight is? But I have a feeling I know...

[@maiyy3549]

@Hot Balls L

[@Joseabh24]

Bro but weili absolutely won lol, didnt you saw that alien head of joanna?

[@Joseabh24]

Bro but weili absolutely won lol, didnt you saw that alien head of joanna?

[@xunsungwar77]

Lol. We need to watch this zoom in and slow motion to judge one 3rd round. Sometimes I really wonder how those judges judge fights live.

[@JumboTTV]

loved the butterfly effect at the end!