Let’s Race!!! Stock 460 vs a muffler modded 455! Plus, a slight tune-up on the rakers!

[@RichCadwalader]

I have the 460...I love it. Starts first or second pull even after sitting for a year or more. LOADS of power. I mill cedar with it. She's a hangry biotch! I do run a half skip chain also, just to take it easy on the clutch.

[@tfloutdoors327]

Same here! Always easy starting saws, and seem to be very reliable. The 460 started to run lean, and high idle, some time after this video, replaced the carb with an oe part, runs like a champ once again! They’re probably to most dependable saws that I own, and always come with, as a back up saw for our fire wood cutting outings. Thanks for the sub and comment!

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

I generally use a chainsaw for firewood and the the 455 is perfect for my needs!

[@zeromark202]

Good video. I own a 460, but have used both side by side, for the small difference of .12hp, 2mm Piston & Cylinder and $70 cost. Would recommend just buy the 460 the larger bar makes up 1/2 of the cost difference.

[@ryangotsch3670]

What chain?!?! There’s nothing left on it! Hahahahah

[@VinnyMartello]

I happen to own both a 455 and 460. I wanna do muffler mod in both of them but I’ll probably buy a 460 jug on the 455 for kicks and giggles.

[@mranonymous7713]

how exactly do you do a muffler mod on a chainsaw because i have a 455 and it would be nice to get a bit more juice out of it. My guess is that it has something to do with taking out the spark arrestor with that other piece and then tuning the carb. but i cant figure out what the tool i need to unscrew the screws in those 3 holes are

[@tfloutdoors327]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnvSl36ml7-Aesk Here’s a link to one of my videos, shows what I did to open up the a 455 muffler, it’s a little bit more advanced mod, welding required, also to remove the muffler, there is 3 allen bolts, either 4 or 5mm size, remove those with a “long reach” allen tool, muffler is off, there should be a muffler gasket, and heat shield behind the muffler, note the orientation in which they come off, will need to reinstall them upon re assembly, hope this helps. Some guys drill or make another hole in the muffler, and screw a side deflector on it cover the new exhaust outlet. There is a few company’s out there that make chainsaw muffler deflectors that can be ordered, don’t forget the carburetor will need to be tuned, normally a muffler mod will make the saw run lean, can adjust or fatten up the high jet, probably won’t need much but ever saw is different

[@craigunderwood4353]

Look at how loose that chain got. mine does the same thing! If you don't keep track of chain tension it will throw the chain! That being said, it will cost you a new bar and chain, around a 120$, keep this in mind

[@tfloutdoors327]

U running an Oregon bar? Size?

[@jcsawshop]

Why exactly would you need to buy a new bar and chain? I've thrown probably a hundred or more since i started doing tree work/falling and I just put them back on and continue my day.

[@DC-ct8tv]

What bar and chain cost 120?

[@deepsticksbushman8698]

Both good saws. That chain needs to be retired tho 😂

[@jtigertic]

Almost bought a 460 quite a few years ago and went with the 359 instead, it was a dog at first but after porting it it's been my favorite saw for about 20 years now.

[@tfloutdoors327]

Great choice with the 359! Yep, porting then will make a big difference in performance, my buddy just ported a 359 for me, I love cutting with that little saw! My new favorite as well!

[@alexstromberg7696]

Where did you buy those dual felling dogs?

[@tfloutdoors327]

Got them a few years back, I believe eBay or something like that. 455-460 dogs are the same and possibly husky 357 but not for sure. The inner dog bolted up fine, but the outer dog I had to mod and grind a bit to make it fit properly to this saw, which was a little annoying, but over all lovin them!

[@Wildwwill]

I wonder if the 455 and 460 has the same size carburetor? I have a jonsered cs2255 for the little bit of cutting I do these days. Same engine as the Husk 455. I'll have a hard time not purchasing the 460 jug & piston and cleaning up the ports.

[@tfloutdoors327]

That’s a good question, I’m not exactly sure if the carbs are the same, one would assume that they are, but I am not an expert saw builder. I here ya, once the 455s top end goes, it will definitely get a 60 top end, no questions asked. Looks to be a direct swap.

[@Daniel-y1l9y]

I'm just wondering why do you keep taking your hand off the top of the saw and putting on the side while you're buried in wood. That totally takes away any safety from the chain brake and makes it a lot harder to stop the saw from kicking back and ripping your face off.

[@tfloutdoors327]

Safety is number one when using a saw. I guess it must be a habit of mine, that isn’t that good of one. You make a valid point, there really isn’t any reason to grip the saw on the side bar, when bucking, but glad your concerned about this very issue because I see these one handed bandit in log piles using greater more powerful saws than in this video. Trust me I’m well aware of kick backs, and luckily I’ve never been hit, there is no danger of a kick back here, the wood is 12” from the saw horse, and the bars tip is out of the wood by a few inches or more. The chainsaw manufacturers build all saws with “handle bars” to use, if it was a huge issue, they would make them with only 2 gripping points, not multiple.

[@timothyingersoll4311]

@@tfloutdoors327 Chain brake is not old school. Didn't use to be a thing.

[@deepsticksbushman8698]

​@tfloutdoors327 the manufacturers put handles with multiple gripping points for cutting at different angles, not to look cool while cutting. All it takes is one kick back. Happened to my uncle. When cutting down on a piece of wood, your hand should be on the top gripping point so if you do experience kick back, your wrist will engage the chain brake. Safe is better than cool.

[@moatighthole274]

Good video. Question.. when did you find the felling dogs for the 455 saw ??

[@tfloutdoors327]

About 4 years ago I think, they came from eBay or something like that…they’re non oe, I had to do some customization to get them to bolt up and fit correctly, but we’re advertised to fit the 455/460 rancher saws.

[@moatighthole274]

@@tfloutdoors327 Thanks for the info. Cheers !!

[@tc.916]

Can you mod the 460 muffler?

[@tfloutdoors327]

For sure, same muffler as on the 455, beware or some slightly tricky tuning, especially if it’s an x-torque model, the idle will need some dealing with, and depending on temperatures and climate and such, in my experience the pros to a muffler mod on a stock saw will be greater throttle response, more hp in the cut, and a cooler running saw in summer months, the cons will be greater fuel consumption and a louder running saw depending on how you go about it.

[@tc.916]

@@tfloutdoors327 I have a 455 x-torque. I bought a cylinder and and piston up grade and made it a 460. It is a 460 x-torque cylinder also. I opened up the exhaust port on the muffler. Saw runs very strong and the RPM stay pretty persistent in the cut. However like you said the idle is hard to get right. It's either to fast or to slow. I find my self adjusting the carb settings a lot. Any suggestions? I have an Archer Tachometer also. I know it's hard with out actually having the saw in hand but any advise you have would help. Thanks you

[@HawtSawz86]

@@tc.916 Awesome!!! How would you compare the new power to the original 455 cylinder? How’s she running these days?

[@tc.916]

@@HawtSawz86 She's still running strong! The 460 cylinder and piston I got was an OEM. I guess the only way you can make a 455 a 460 is if you get an OEM cylinder. I can see and feel a slight difference in the cut. It seems to keep the power band longer, it also could just be in my head lol but your not going to notice a great deal of difference in 5cc's. Either way I'm more then happy with it

[@HawtSawz86]

@@tc.916 I really appreciate your note and glad to hear it’s still running strong for you! Happy and safe cutting to you! 🍻🍻❤️

[@ianjimenez9769]

Looking for a good set of dogs for my 455. Haven't had much luck, any recommendations? Cheers and good health from Puerto Rico my brother.

[@tfloutdoors327]

Hello Sir! Thanks for the comment, I ordered my set of dogs some 4-5 yrs ago from eBay, if I remember correctly, they were definitely more common then, than now days. I was just looking on the internet, your correct, seems to be slim pickings out there for the 455/460 dogs. Mine were aftermarket and I had to mod them a little bit to make them fit properly. Sorry I wasn’t much help good luck with your search, they are a definite upgrade for the saw.

[@wilkey40]

You can take a 455 and remove the 47mm cylinder and put on a 49mm cylinder and you have a 460!

[@tfloutdoors327]

Ive been thinking about that, it runs ok like it is now, for the most part it’s been a reliable saw for me, but it might get that upgrade in future.

[@wilkey40]

@@tfloutdoors327 I only plan to do it when I get a 455 that needs a rebuild

[@tfloutdoors327]

@@wilkey40 I would definitely be interested to see how it turns out! I’ve also been courteous on maybe doing some mild port work on 455s transfers, wonder if there is any gains to be had? Not sure if it’s worth it or not at this point and time for the saw

[@VinnyMartello]

It’s safe to assume that the 460 is superior in every way.

[@paulrowe6132]

Husquarna365

[@VinnyMartello]

@@paulrowe6132 Ended up going for broke and getting a 395XP haha.

[@CutterCH]

2 seconds faster and a 4cc difference is far from superior. None of that is enough to justify the price of the 460 being $100 more. Also, a 2 seconds faster and a 4cc difference is a waste of a saw model. No need to produce both models with such a small difference. Keep one and discontinue the other. The 455 has been the biggest selling saw of the two for over a decade. Look what happened to the 465 rancher. It lasted about 2 years then was discontinued because nobody wanted to pay that much for a plastic saw. The 555 and 562 were responsible for the 465 disappearing.

[@brandonmurphy4657]

Echo 590 Smokes them both

[@tfloutdoors327]

I haven’t ran the 590, heard that they are very strong saws, the echos that I do have are great saws, I’ve been impressed with them

[@bryantitus6634]

Can't help but agree. I've run a Stihl 290 that my brother has, which is literally an orange and white version of the 455. They cut basically identical. My other brother has a 391. The echo 590 cuts damn close to the same as the 391. Which is 4cc larger than. The 460 husky and revs higher. For $388 shipped, you literally CANNOT beat the echo 590.

[@CutterCH]

@Bryan Titus The Stihl 290 is a turd. The 455 has it beat every time. The 290 was Stihl's number 1 selling saw model for a long time. It was also their biggest overpriced piece of crap they ever produced. Once the 455 was released, more people were buying it and saw it outperform the 290. Stihl lost that battle and discontinued the 290 after sales dropped to the floor.

[@chickenknucklez2604]

And my ms660 blows away a 590.... Big deal the 455 and 460 are great saws choose your poison

[@dominicgorno7158]

What size bar are you run on both saws?

[@tfloutdoors327]

24” bars

[@droptine7848]

I own both I’m happy

[@blueridgemountainprepper2166]

Dang, umm thats by far the most worn out chain I've ever seen 😂😂😂

[@tfloutdoors327]

Ya… had to get my moneys worth out of if 🤣. Probably wasn’t the best chain to choose for testing purposes, but a good one to show cutting the rakers down on. It wasn’t producing a great chip, but still cut, even though most of the top plate is gone lol

[@shapeshifter7753]

Thanks for the vid👍455 has been a great saw for me. I wouldn’t want to buy a new one now. They are asking $600 for one in Canada. That’s too much unless you can’t work on a older used saw. I’d like to run one of them cs 590’s everyone is mentioning

[@thefringeminorityreport4797]

Paid 899 each for my 2 460 ranchers

[@zeromark202]

Blows chips on the rancher!

[@willbrennan3840]

They sound about the same out of cut

[@bryantitus6634]

As much as these saws are perfectly good firewood and homeowner saws for someone with larger trees around their yards and properties, I can't help but feel like the echo 590 would HANDILY best both of these saws. For.... Far less money.

[@zeromark202]

I can vouch for that, own them! (460 vs 590 24” same bar/chain) CS-590 FTW! Better warranty & no BS stratocharged clamshell. Love Husky 70cc+ pro saws though.

[@bryantitus6634]

@@zeromark202 I've yet to run a 70cc class husky but would like to. I've run Stihl 038 super, 440, 046, 460, 661 and might be missing one. And own a husky 394xp. I feel like there probably isn't a bad modern construction 67+cc saw from husky, Stihl, echo, or Dolmar/Makita, and even the old school Poulans right before they sold out. Sure, some will be better than others but none are bad.

[@dentondunn4346]

I can vouch for the CS590, had Iowa Performance Saws do a muffler mod and retune removing the limiters and it will eat a 460 Rancher up. Won’t bog in nothing, pure torque monster

[@zeromark202]

@@bryantitus6634 Stihl 440 & 460 are in the top list! I have a ms461 it’s a super strong saw as well. Imo there is many bad modern saw models from all the brands. If I was in market for a 70cc electronic carb my choices would be 572xp & ms462 that’s if money didn’t matter lol. The ms400 I ran last week was impressive also. For Echo cs620 is there best model. Can’t wait to try out a new husky 592xp, the biggest Echo cs7310 just doesn’t stack up unless ported and since all prices went up would go with a husky in strictly 70cc class. My favorite saw I most grab is my cs620 24” out of the 10 I have.

[@bryantitus6634]

@@zeromark202 when I am cutting mostly just firewood, my muffler modded 590 with a 24" is my go to. I'll limb with my jonsered 2245 or husky 50 and once I get done the limbing, I block the smaller limb wood so I don't have to reach as much with a heavier saw, then switch back to the echo. When I'm feeling froggy I run the 394xp in anything over about 8-10" but that's more for the fun factor than necessity as I have blocked 30+" wood without issue with the 590. The husky is not really enjoyable to swing around unnecessarily for long periods but nevertheless gets used enough just because it's enjoyable.

[@troyforeman5825]

New chain and learn how to square file, trust me you'll like it.

[@tfloutdoors327]

lol, I hear ya! I love square chain and have been messing around with a square file for while now, just getting it dialed, I feel like, where it’s cuts smooth and stays sharp through out the day!

[@troyforeman5825]

@@tfloutdoors327 I like how much my saw likes it, much less stress on the motor.

[@tfloutdoors327]

@@troyforeman5825 Totally agree💯. My fav when cutting fire wood, or anything dirty, is square skip. Cuts very nice, plus less cutters to sharpen on the longer bars

[@War24rior]

SAW DUST POWDER

[@War24rior]

EVERY CUT SHOWS DULL INCORRECTLY SHARPENED CHAIN ON THE LOG FOR NEXT CUT 🤔

[@tfloutdoors327]

Some clarification on the DUST and STUFF… at 6:20 ish into the vid, the 2 saws are lying on top of wood CHIPS, not DUST. Also towards the end of the video you can see that this chain is very worn and has been filed passed the wear lines on more than a few teeth. “Chain needs to be replaced” also note….Cutting DRY wood with a slight breeze can make the chips look like small particles or dust coming from the saw.

[@War24rior]

👌 WORN CHAIN

[@gresahasanaga5623]

Husky nr 1 best quality

[@Chad-em2fg]

You must be as poor as me! My chains look exactly like yours!!!

[@craigunderwood4353]

my 545 mark 2 blows away any of theys two chainsaws!

[@tfloutdoors327]

They’re just 2 home owner saws, thought it would be fun to run them up against each other, I haven’t been to impressed with the newer style rancher saws, they work, yes, but definitely better options available that are out there

[@duckco1]

Not a good side by side comparison. The 455 chain was lose

[@wilkey40]

All a 460 is a 455+ saw

[@mnbucks2929]

455 sounds like a pooch.. also if you take too much off the rakers it's going g to drastically bog those saws down

[@tfloutdoors327]

Yep, I alway use a gage, file mine to .025,

[@adrianstefan23]

🙋🏻‍♂️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@tjgrossman]

If you can’t see or hear the difference in tune up on those saws, then you need to learn how to tune correctly. The 455 is loser power cause it is lean. I have so many saws, including a 455 and 460, they are virtually identical in power, even after porting.

[@jlc1167]

A 2 Stroke engine isn't like a $ stroke. A 2 stroke needs a certain amount of back pressure from the muffler in order to run correctly, if there's not enough back press. and its not timed correctly you will lose air fuel mixture through the exhaust. you time a 2 stroke mufflers back pressure by the speed of sound , you exhaust length, the RPM you'd like to achieve most power at. blah blah blah there's a shit ton of math to get a 2 strokes performance to increase through exhaust.