Let's Talk About AFL Jumpers

As the Showdown approaches, Port fans will be salivating over the return of their beloved prison bars jumpers to the AFL stage. The prison bar saga is well documented, but it got us thinking about AFL jumpers in more detail.
How have guernseys been regulated in the past? What is the clash policy now? And finally, on a more conceptual level - what do AFL jumpers mean?
Written and voiced by Kristian Barron
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[@ld5382]

I think the real creativity surrounding guernseys is when it comes to the Indigenous strip. I always look forward to seeing every clubs new Indigenous strip because it is something different every year. I think it allows for creativity in a game where tradition and heritage are held with such high prestige.

[@dougieboxell6505]

I really like new jumpers that have a solid logical reason, such as this. Changing jumpers for the sake of it - meh. Used to love heritage round too, bring that back!

[@djstorey]

Also clash jumpers, for some teams

[@jeremy_leow]

think you guys should do a video/series on how each premiership team won the premiership that year!! I think it'd show how tactics and gameplans change over the years since one team's style of play can be an adaptation of many others :)

[@r0bz0rly]

i would absolutely love this omg

[@FootyA2Z]

Yeah I think I like this idea a lot… got 2008 done already

[@stevenwilliams3038]

@@FootyA2Z You could probably do some dynisties together for example the 2013-15 Hawthorn Team all in one video

[@jeremy_leow]

@@stevenwilliams3038 good point, but even dynasties have had to change the way they had to play to remain on top of their game haha

[@jeremy_leow]

@@FootyA2Z thanks mate, love your content!

[@jontyrosenow9396]

I once played twos footy for an opposition club after they were short I was constantly having to rethink what I was doing as certain familiar/unfamiliar colours in my periphery would trigger different actions from me. Excellent video, could watch a whole 120 minutes on it!

[@ImGodTheMaryBanger]

I always wondered how that worked in the mind when 2's players help out a struggling opponent. i bet it would have been confusing as hell

[@ajdynon]

I remember some of the truly horrible alternate jumper designs from past pre-season comps. Hawthorn's camo pattern and "horse racing" diamonds stand out as the biggest shockers. If that's what you mean by "creative", I'll stick with black and a red sash forever, thank you very much. (PS: We Essendon suppourters still consider the red shorts from the 70s a fashion disaster. At least our current clash jumper is an improvement on the grey-and-red one)

[@ajdynon]

Also, I remember the time that St Kilda played Collingwood wearing a clash jumper that was black, white and red vertical stripes that clashed with the Collingwood jumpers more than their normal one.

[@liamjenkins244]

@@ajdynon Remember when Port couldn't wear their home jumper against Collingwood so they wore a grey clash jumper? Black and white vs. black white & grey. Insufferable to watch.

[@dougieboxell6505]

Hey, those red shorts were pretty cool. Would be cool to see clubs experiment with different shorts colours The grey was horrid tho. I despise clubs using non-club colours. For example, white is overused and abused. Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Adelaide - none of these clubs have white, they should never use them. I think the AFL has managed to sort this out in recent years tbh.

[@nicegan8902]

Port Adelaide and Collingwood played a practice game in the early 90's in Adelaide. They both wore their classic jumpers with the only compromise that Port wore black socks with white hoops rather than the standard black.

[@fredsmith2277]

it's great collingwood will be the only black and white magpies and port can go and get lost !!!

[@rafiwerdiger]

as a richmond fan i have ptsd from the prison bar jumpers in 2014, no matter how beautiful that jersey is

[@gwilkes5325]

😂

[@ST-cp6fn]

Was at that game!

[@azzaman96]

guernsey*

[@TheDirge69]

@@azzaman96 Jersey also a garment

[@MrPlzplz]

What's funny about that is that before that game Kenny Hinkley said Port would play in hessian sacks if they had to, because it didn't matter, and ever since Port have been up in arms about the 'prison bar' jumper.

[@Troublemaker2004]

Always exciting when Footy A2Z uploads

[@arrgghh1555]

I don't understand 90% of the 'clash' jumpers. The only teams this effects are Collingwood, North Melbourne and (maybe) Geelong. The only other thing should be white shorts for away, coloured for home, always.

[@dougieboxell6505]

I reckon black and navy blue are pretty bad to watch. Playing - well, they quoted Fletch here, probably doesn't matter. But watching on TV, I sometimes struggle when it's essendon v blues

[@Aussiefan12345678]

​@@dougieboxell6505 my dad had no issue telling richmond and essondon apart on a 10 inch black and white tv.

[@christopherharvie8716]

Oh yeah? Imagine a game between any of Brisbane, Gold Coast or the Swans without clash jumpers…

[@christiansrensen5958]

Those 3 are the ones as a cats fan where it gets confusing in a huge pile. If pies go more black, roos more blue, and cats more white it makes it easier. cats v pies is definitely the easiest to confuse if they both use the same % of white.

[@fredsmith2277]

it's great collingwood will be the only black and white magpies and port can go and get lost !!!

[@michaelherring490]

How good is indigenous round for guernseys

[@yaamz7]

So good, me and the missus always get around it, ranking our faves

[@harrybaruhas5576]

Love, Love, Love indigenous round jumpers, ESPECIALLY the Richmond jumpers. I always listen to the story behind the jumper and the designers. Magic and great acknowledgement !!!

[@klokar21]

I am a Geelong fan, white is our first colour, it's white with blue hoops and thats how the club has always treated it, Geelong is happy to wear white shorts as its our dominant colour. Geelong struck this deal with Collingwood years ago when ever we played each other, Collingwoods first colour is black so the two teams struck a deal where when ever they played, regardless of who had the home game, Collingwood would always wear black shorts and Geelong would always wear white and as a Geelong fan it has been a great deal and I'm sure for Collingwood fans it must have been a great deal as well.

[@fredsmith2277]

it's great collingwood will be the only black and white magpies and port can go and get lost !!!

[@DianneFilipenko]

Very much enjoyed this video and all the colourful comments. It's always great to see more creativity in off-field merch, so why not on field as well?

[@NHLfreak87]

Great video! I come from an ice hockey background, but have watches footy for six years. I always thought it was weird how teams would regularly have a clash. In hockey, the home jersey is always a coloured jersey, like an AFL team's primary. For away games, they wear white jerseys with stripes or other details in the team colours. I think that always works great.

[@mikespearwood3914]

Unfortunately common sense went out the window with these clubs, as most are very old clubs with incredibly parochial fans that think changing the jersey at away games to prevent obvious clashes is some kind of blasphemy. Pretty childish attitude in a professional sport with so many colour and jersey clashes, and especially when the rest of the world has no issue resolving these clashes in professional sports!

[@NHLfreak87]

@mikespearwood3914 Yeah I agree. It's super childish and traditional for no good reason.

[@christiansrensen5958]

Some clubs have occasionally started to wear indigenous stips outside of indigenous rounds. Most of the designs look way cooler than the traditional ones. That said, if the cats ever wore green, you will probably need to rebuild every stand in the stadium.

[@thisislilraskal]

I'm not sure where I remember hearing this from but is it true that Richmond were first called the Bees? and the jumper was yellow and black hoops?

[@visolate]

Very clever using Danny Ings for the Burnley/Villa/West Ham analogy

[@MrPlzplz]

No way! As someone who's tried to get into the NBA, the player movement and lack of respect to the teams colours creates too much instability for me to latch on to. I like that AFL clubs are proud of their colours, even to the point of Eddie Maguire going barney over the Port Adelaide piers. I think clubs do experiment with different designs more than this video may suggest, but I agree there could be more (your Essendon suggestion for more detail makes sense). I think the inverted home jumper design is just the current phase.

[@dougieboxell6505]

I love the inverted home jumper for clash/away. Been saying it for decades. Retains the traditional jumper that fans love, but also gives something a lil different. That said, the city jumper idea is great too. I love the idea of incorporating more of the club's history and culture into the jumpers. Brilliant suggestion. Hope it takes off. And I agree about you opinion on the NBA - I don't follow it, just love that AFL clubs have very unique and separate identities. Really makes them stand out. The purple of freo, the teal of Port, the sash of dons & tiges, the orange of GWS God i hope of Darwin ever gets a team, it has to be green and blue. Maybe a lil orange. And tassy defs have to stick with the traditional green yellow and res

[@fredsmith2277]

it's great collingwood will be the only black and white magpies and port can go and get lost !!!

[@bp4816]

That’s why being a Celtics fan I love that our team doesn’t have too crazy alternate designs

[@PaddyOC19]

hey A2Z just wondering how you make the painted versions of the footy players in your thumbnail?

[@FootyA2Z]

Hey mate. We make all the graphics as vector art in Adobe illustrator.

[@ItzRobbie05]

Great Video, while I find the idea of a green Geelong jumper, I much prefer that teams are always wearing (with white sometimes an exception) their colours and them alone. Some of these clash jumpers can even double as a heritage jumper... For example my dees, our clash jumper was / is based on the jumper we wore from '75 to '86. Clash jumpers are great ways for club's to reinvent an old jumper... examples: Sydney, Collingwood, Brisbane (sort of), Hawthorn, St Kilda... Then you have West coast, both of their kits are slight redesigns of old kits.

[@5150show]

Cheers from New Zealand

[@harrybaruhas5576]

Another great video By Kristain Barron. Well done all involved. And could not agree more, new jumpers can be a "cash grab" by the clubs

[@blank.9301]

I’m a mad pies fan but I did like those jerseys at 4:12.

[@Aussieedits222]

AGREED

[@Skipper.17]

The thing with port power is the prison bar jumper isn’t their original jumper, but they seem to have a fixation with it. Port power and the port Adelaide magpies are 2 different clubs. Por Adelaides original jumper was more like Geelongs jumper with a lighter blue, then there was different versions of the jumper with different colours until 1902.

[@heyyyyyaaaaa5458]

except they aren’t 2 different clubs..

[@rerooar]

@@heyyyyyaaaaa5458 Except they are

[@TopFix]

I'm an Essendon supporter and I hate how stubborn we are with the constitution rule saying there must always be a red sash. Back then we also didn't let women vote, historical stuff isn't always right. About as stubborn as Americans when they say they can't get rid of guns because the constitution says so.

[@Troublemaker2004]

As a Pies supporter, I have no issue with Port wearing their prison bars guernsey on special occasions; it's part of their rich heritage and they should be allowed to pay tribute to that. However, I think that's where it should stop. Heritage is important, but in the AFL, they are the Port Adelaide POWER, not the Port Adelaide Magpies.

[@Starrchild09]

Well that's the whole point. No one ever said they were trying to change to the Magpies, they want to pay homage to their history with the most successful guernsey the clubs produced.

[@James-fw5ew]

That's not even a compromise that's exactly what we want

[@lukeslayer]

​@Melvin Starr Not in the AFL, that's where the issue stays. They may be successful in their league but in the AFL they've won next to sweet fk all and decided to join a league where an already established club has a very similiar guernsey whether they like it or not and I support neither team that's just the way it is.

[@Starrchild09]

@@lukeslayer it's the AFL mate not the VFL. Port came into the league with an already rich history but obviously couldn't use the Magpie name. By your logic, the accomplishments by all clubs prior to 1990 should be erased. By the way, Collingwood (formed 1892) stole their Guernsey design and colour from the 1891 South Australian state jumper.

[@pratty8459]

Correction they are Port Power not Port Adelaide Power

[@aaronleverton4221]

I can see a Magpies vs Power/Magpies game having issues. but having grown up exclusively watching the VFL as a kid, I never had an issue watching the Cats play the Magpies or the Tigers playing the Bombers. Prior to a bird evacuating north and a couple others joining. Along with a stoned marsupial.

[@klokar21]

Also i would love for you to cover injuries and how it affects clubs, the 2023 season has been one of the most injury riddled seasons ever with West Coast, St Kilda and Geelong all having massive amounts of injuries dictate their season with West coast almost not having a team, Geelong starting the year with no forward line then loosing their entire midfield and rucks and St Kilda having no forward line and needing to recruit from the local leagues.

[@MoveMotive.]

I think it’d be really cool if instead of clash jumpers they made city edition type kits like in the NBA. It’d be a great way to connect to the cities of clubs imo

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

This. Even MLB has done the new City Connect uniforms. This is done not only to appeal to the youth (which it does) but also simply as fashion that people who don't even watch footy will want to buy/wear

[@dougieboxell6505]

That's actually a brilliant idea

[@user-td4ur8vg1t]

sounds sick although it would be a bit hard for suburban clubs like bombers and pies

[@____Riley____]

I think the gather round would be the perfect time that all the clubs would wear their new city jumpers for that year. But I feel like the teams wouldn’t do anything near as interesting with their designs compared to some of the city jerseys in the nba.

[@ew7339]

What 10 Melbourne jumpers?

[@piercesmith1465]

Some of the old NFL teams have a similar attachment to their old jerseys. They may wear something interesting once a year to have a different jersey to sell the fans, but they stick to very old motifs, following their original (or very early) jerseys pretty closely. Chicago Bears, Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Cleveland Browns, Indianapolis Colts, Kansas City Chiefs, Las Vegas Raiders, and New York Giants are good examples of teams that haven't ever (or only very rarely/changed back to old designs) changed their designs.

[@Aarongla55]

love the top don design

[@daneirvine4197]

As and Essendon fan I would love to see a guernsey that doesn't have a red sash. Like a black out kit with a bomber and red accents

[@PatrickVS101]

I honestly think that every away team should wear white shorts regardless of wearing the home, away or clash top. There’s slight misinformation/misunderstanding of certain other sports too. The away team wears grey in baseball (historic homage to unwashed travel kits of the past), basketball home team usually wear white. Soccer provides a bit of a different example as with relegation/promotion it’s conceivable that the century+ ago that Burnley, West Ham and Villa didn’t even know they were all on claret and blue due to geographic factors, furthermore with 100ish clubs in the same tiered soccer pile, it’s impossible to expect unique designs. But also; each club has only three shirts, like the AFL, and away strips have a lot of history themselves. There’s a lot of marketing yes; but there’s a home/away/clash format as well. Arsenal: Red/Black/Pink, Lions: Maroon/Fitzroy Lion/Bears clash. With heritage and indigenous guernseys thrown in, it costs more to collect AFL kit.

[@christopherharvie8716]

It became an issue after the 2000 grand final. Traditional Essendon & Melbourne jumpers are indistinguishable from a distance.

[@humanbeing9340]

I still can't comprehend that they haven't rebranded GC and GWS. Especially GC, they look like a training Guernsey. The point is to attract people; especially children to these teams so as to become generational fans for decades to come. For GC, use the St. Kilda template, with light blue, red and yellow. For GWS, use the Carlton template, with charcoal and orange.

[@kdzdr]

Nah GWS is good

[@chadchadderton]

your idea for the GC rebrand is shocking... sorry to break it to you

[@hamishnewman2675]

the afl clash policy has come a long way in the past 10 years, there was a game in 2013 or 14 when West coast had to wear their white clash jumper at home because richmond didn't have an away or clash jumper that proved a difference

[@FitFoodieFrenzy]

That’s interesting , looked it up and it was 2014

[@newsgetsold]

Yeah let's see some baby vomit green 💚

[@thesupplantor]

Teams should be allowed to wear whatever jumper they want. Screw Eddie McGuire.

[@michaelfink64]

The Collingwood clash strip: white with black stripes instead of black with white stripes.

[@StupidRobotFightingLeague]

....so what do the jumpers mean?

[@charlesatkinson4340]

Video idea, analyse brisbanes midfield with Ashcroft, Dunkley and Neale

[@AlecJohnson117]

I'd like essendon to go a full black kit, only with the traditional overlapping 'EFC' logo(like carlton has their 'CFC') over the front of the shirt in red. Would be dope to see a bunch of traditional teams change it up.

[@dopo666]

Brisbane seem to be the only club that can have home (brisbane lions), away(Fitzroy lions)and clash ( Brisbane bears) and still look good while keeping the heritage. Although we did have to go through some shockers to get there.

[@dougieboxell6505]

I wish Brisbane would wear the Bears jumper more often. I love that jumper, even tho I'm a dons fan. The Fitzroy one is good, but they already wear that. Should wear both, from time to time.

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

When the Winnipeg Jets returned to Winnipeg in 2011 they had to ask the Toronto Maple Leafs for permission because their newly designed logo included a maple leaf (albiet red). The Leafs (a team that has no issues wearing a green and white jersey every St. Patrick's Day as a tribute to their team name during the 1920s the Toronto St. Pat's) had no problem with it. Eddie McGuire is just being petty vis-a-vis the prison bars lol

[@therig1339]

Essendon club rules state.. there must be a red sash.. that's why we haven't seen a reverse jumper like Richmond.. and I wish they would

[@God_MKII]

I love the idea of a fuck you tradition clash jumper that constantly changes and looks nothing like the home jumper

[@eamonnixon5765]

I WANT HAWTHORN TO BRING BACK THE 2008 - 2012 geurnsey with a white number square on the back with black numbers and stripes on the back

[@patrickmilner4149]

The prison bar jumper actually represents the Port wharf....

[@FootyA2Z]

“Prison bar” debate needs a rebrand

[@ibd1977]

Prison Bar was given by our rival clubs such as Norwood as Port Adelaide area was known to have blue collar criminal element. However, Port Adelaide embraced the nickname as it heightens the intimidation factor of the club and guernsey.

[@ooo8188]

And? It's nicknamed the prison bar jumper

[@damienlynch4533]

the stupid thing about the showdown is that Port Magpies never played the Crows, ever. The Crows are a compilation of all SANFL teams, port included. I think it makes sense for Port to wear it during a heritage round, but really the true showdown is Power vs. Crows. Power represents ports will at separating from the sanfl and being a bigger club.

[@neiltodd9657]

High time the league put the foot down and made every team develop a proper change strip* St Kilda are fortunate on this front, in that they have had several jumper designs in their history (i.e. well before the era of the national league). I keep trying to push the case with the club to bring back the 1919-1922 mainly red jumper - the shape of which is something like Port's current home jumper. That jumper is a thing of beauty. No dice so far. While we're on the subject, can someone get GWS and Gold Coast to design some real footy jumpers. The Giants' one is passable, but doesn't look like a footy jumper. The Suns' one is laughable. * (except Collingwood, because we're all scared of their fans)

[@fredsmith2277]

it's great collingwood will be the only black and white magpies and port can go and get lost !!!

[@garryjeffery9160]

Some great content would be what it takes to be a professional umpire of the game the average in salaries and some if the all time great umpires. Like raza ray and we'll hes like the only one I can think of. Would be good content maybe I'm just floating ideas.

[@leighreganarblaster9852]

In 1892 Collingwoodwewera red white and blue

[@christopherharvie8716]

Interestingly there are rumours that the Swans are going to dump the opera house jumper (due to contractual dispute with the opera house trust who what ridiculous money for the use of the building’s outline) and are looking to revert to the red V of South Melbourne. As it’s the club’s 150 next year this, as per rumours, is the back door they will use to bring the old jumper back. St George RL club is apparently not thrilled…

[@AZ2PM]

The AFL clubs are losing huge commercial value by not valuing an alternate strip more. They should definitely have more fun with it, like the saints Yellow cross jumper from about 20 years back. It's a novelty and niche that diehards will embrace. Also, the recent trend of removing the apparel sponsors logo from the jumper is a shocking call. Most New Balance and ISC teams now have no obvious sports branding on the jumper. The Demons, Saints, Eagles and Lions jumpers all suck now cos they have stupid brands in prime positions at the center-top of the jumper. Anyone into sport knows that sponsorship from legitimate sport brands like Nike, Adidas and yes, even New Balance, elevates the status of the item. To remove this does detract from the fashion and marketability of these jumpers.

[@74_pelicans]

This is just laughable. You're angry because another sponsor is over a different sponsor? Knowing full well, the jumpers can and are often made by different companies than the agreements they have commercially.

[@74_pelicans]

And also ignoring the past of numerous horrible clash kits, from the likes of hawthorn, gold Coast and even Adelaide and Port power.

[@THEFISH_893]

1997

[@nickhanlon9331]

Without tradition and culture you're just a bunch of molecules stuck together.

[@dommercer3341]

Never Surrender Giants Clash is the best....

[@jimjames4875]

Hello

[@sleek86]

in my opinion: afl teams a more of a whole than the individual, the front represents the club and its history wheres the number on the back represents the individual at the time while also representing those who have wonr that number in the past. im sure this philosophy gets put into players at the larger clubs

[@dannyj4206]

I don't understand, it's like changing the Aussie flag, it's your banner, when the opposition run out they know who there up against,it's culture, it's being a kid kicking a footy out on the street thinking one day I want to play footy in that jumper, it's not a fashion show.

[@jacksonbyrne5835]

Nonsense, you still wear your home jumper 80% of the time anyway. It's fucking horseshit that carlton don't wear their white clash jumper against Richmond and vice versa. No reason to be so pathetic over changing the jumper every now and then.

[@loftylloyd4134]

Bravo👏 it’s sad that clubs disrespect their jumper so much!

[@chadchadderton]

i do somewhat agree with you on the guernsey debate, as i don't think geelong should wear green for example... although that being said australia should change their flag. the current one is a spit in the face to australia, it represents the UK as much as it represents us... gross.

[@sentimentalbloke185]

Pre-1975, VFL teams wore black shorts for home games (even if black wasn't one of their colours) & white for away games. Clash, heritage & indigenous round guernseys are mostly about merchandise sales. The vast majority of them look bloody awful.

[@spartanworrior4519]

South Sydney bunnies home and away are a piss take 😂

[@TemperedEmpire]

As always, follow the money for most aesthetic decisions on and off the field. Any changes to jumpers, logos, gear, etc are just a means to renew brand interest and create a new object to sell. Personally, I have no problem with clubs sporting their old heritage wear (a'la PAFC with their prison bars), but any major changes that go against history (or even some in line with it) are just greed based decisions, for a supposedly not-for-profit league/teams. We don't have a sporting culture entirely ruined by money (like soccer in Europe), but we're certainly getting there are breakneck speed. The VFL/AFL is a frankly terrible organisation that has no right officiating rules and running its league, especially when it's aims are entirely driven by the pursuit of profit. I know you've raised this in the video; but we shouldn't give any leeway to the AFL and its clubs to try and rinse more money from less-than-discerning fans on supposedly 'clash' jumpers. The game is not that hard to follow with the current jumpers as is; we don't need more commercialised crap being forced down our throats. In short; up the VFL/AFL, up those that destroyed amateurism and the state leagues, up the greed-based ethos of modern sport, and most of all; up yours Oakley! Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@bp4816]

You’re goddamn right, though as an Essendon fan I would love to one day see a guernsey that has the bomber take more centre stage in the design would be one of the more unique strips in sport, but probably never happen

[@MagpieR6]

wasnt port the team that actually had pink jerseys

[@chadchadderton]

one of their original strips had pink yeah... what's the point?

[@MagpieR6]

@@chadchadderton id love to see the boys run it

[@chadchadderton]

@@MagpieR6 they have previously if im not mistaken... also a light blue/white hooped guernsey that they've honoured in the past.

[@nathanbroad4736]

compared home and away jumpers to american and english sports but not rugba league

[@MrMikeylegs]

Clash guernseys are not necessary. Can we please stop comparing ourselves to other sports? Team colours are tribal. Tribalism is what we love. The saying goes: “play for the jumper.” Also, can someone please call out the fact that collingwood’s “home” jumper has only been in existence for less than 20 years? It’s completely different to the jumper they wore for over 100 years.

[@chadchadderton]

clash guernseys are necessary... objectively. and you're like too many death bed boomers who don't understand sweet fuck all about modern sports. the "comparisons" are necessary and needed to better the sport, because like it or not the AFL IS NOT the objectively best run competition in the world. We need to look to other codes and other leagues to see what can and can't be done, it's just facts,

[@lukekennedy2295]

I like this video but mate what the hell is the point of putting the pies in pink or cats in green? What, just so they can shill more jumpers to make some extra cash. It isn't just tradition its recognisability, clubs are united by the town, colours and mascots of their teams. What's the point in arbitrarily changing their gear? I don't watch the game because of how cool the jumpers look or because I get to waste money on merch I'll hardly wear, I watch footy because I want to watch footy.

[@NatoCaloGaming]

Sorry, just no. There's plenty of variation clubs can have with designing clash/alt jumpers using their current colours that can a) be effective clash solutions b) experiment with new ideas c) respect the clubs identity/history. The problem is that the people at clubs who design these jumpers are just unimaginative - which is where we get the "make it the home jumper but with side panels". Even still, fans of Collingwood for example are completely satisfied with the current jumper arrangement, with the clash being an effective solution vs any team as well as a nod to that inversed jumper once being our home kit itself. There simply isn't a need to make them wear pink for no reason when a bit part of "black and white" is the absence of colour. Likewise will all other teams, there's just so many colour/design combinations that haven't been tried with their existing club colours that would make interesting and effective alternate strips. Also that Pies all black vs Cats all white is one of the cleanest matchups in the whole league, nothing wrong with it at all.

[@mikejfwalsh]

I am not actually sure why you have used the NBA analogy and compared it back to the prison bars debate? The only grounds Collingwood actually have to deny port the rights to wear the strip is if they are 1. The home team and 2. If port is playing them. A genuine clash means that yes port Adelaide have to play in a different strip to prison bars. Obviously I do think Collingwood are laughable for denying port the right to wear the strips but only in the instance where either they play collingwood at home or port is playing any other team.

[@edab9088]

They agreed to the contract.

[@alexsoundias1974]

It’s funny because before port entered the AFL Collingwood and port played each other. port wore the prison bars and was no clash

[@chadchadderton]

@@edab9088 a contract that has never been proven to exist, a contract that has never been confirmed or even spoken about by the AFL... who happen to own the IP meaning they would know of said contract if it existed...

[@OhAeroHD]

Essendon will forever remain a red sash until the constitution is changed. I love our history and what the sash stands for. But in terms of clash guernseys, we are poor.

[@tsv2087]

I wouldn't mind seeing Port wearing their Prison Bars guernsey. Just make the top part teal and I don't see why that wouldn't work. Pink Pies and Green Cats? Hell No🤮

[@sithlordofoz]

The "clash" issue rose up when Channel 9 briefly had the rights. Never any drama until then - even when the Bears were playing. It should have been made very clear to incoming teams - like Port who seem to be the only club with a chip on their shoulder about it - that the colours already in use and the patterns were off limits. Port should have been told you can be teal and silver. West Coast, Fremantle, Gold Coast, and GWS all managed it. Brisbane did a solid when they merged with the Lions and took the maroon from the Bears and replaced the Red of Fitzroy with it. So basically it's the butt hurt Kochie. They could have stayed in the SAFL.

[@chadchadderton]

port seem to be the only club with a chip on their shoulder yet they aren't the club gate keeping something that isn't even theirs? that would be collingwood. also you claimed the pattern was off limits, but that is objectively wrong... do you get off on making idiotic comments on a social media platform? Also not sure how kochie is dragged into it? I mean he might not be likeable, but again he wasn't the inept moron that was attempting to gatekeep and IP that the AFL owns... oh and also just to help your undeveloped mind out a tad, Port haven't been in the "SAFL" since 1927... so that's another part of your comment that is utter lunacy,

[@ScibFilms2]

i remember mentioning a list of teams to do some videos on a few weeks ago, possibly over a month ago at this point. but it seems you's are just going by the trends of the controversey of the week if not month. been making videos quite late recently. haven't even touched on the Draw rules and how they needed to be changed or how we're seeing a decline in Geelong for some reason and a rise in teams such as Kangaroos and Carlton beating and drawing with teams otherwise last year they wouldn't have. this looks to be a crazy season and the videos are like once every 2 weeks if we're lucky and we're just here talking jerseys out of all things.

[@TurkeyMuncher117]

bro who tf are you these boys make quality content and they don't owe you anything

[@devilwarr1or]

You delibretly left out the MAIN REASON why Collingwood has an issue with Port coming into the AFL with their jumper and im pretty sure you did it on purpose. In the SANFL Port Adelaide were/are the magpies. One of the SIGNED AGREEMENTS they made to come into the AFL for them to be accepted by the league and all other clubs INCLUDING COLLINGWOOD, is that they cant market themselves as the magpies OR wear their black and white prison bar jumpers in the AFL. They accepted these terms. And since then they have tried endlessly to get it changed and try every trick in the book from peer pressure, to media hit pieces to post game switches to try and get their way instead of doing the right thing, THE THING THEY AGREED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE and just make their NEW JUMPER AND COLOURS mean something in the AFL. The Port/Collingwood jumper issue is unique but im pretty sure if another team tried to join the afl also known as the bombers or blues or demons then this issue would flare up with them too.

[@alexsoundias1974]

There’s always this claim that port signed an agreement to never wear the prison bar guernsey once they entered the AFL but neither Collingwood or the AFL have ever produced this document when port have wanted to wear it. If this agreement actually exists then why did Eddie never take port to court over it rather than making a new agreement in bad faith to let port wear the guernsey once per season during heritage round (which he knew was about to be discontinued)? Why was this document not produced last time Collingwood and the AFL didn’t let port wear it rather than the AFL threatening to take away premiership points?

[@devilwarr1or]

@Alex Soundias lol that's a lie to say the document doesn't exist just because they don't show it. Eddie has stated numerous times if they dared wore the jumper without permission they would end up in court and port also has never done it in game without permission. If there was no document then there would literally be nothing stopping port doing it now then would it? The most recent contract about all this was drawn up in 2007 and it's easily available to find with a quick google search. What's so hard to understand? The conditions of them entering was they gave up their logo, song, nickname and jumper, they agreed....

[@alexsoundias1974]

@@devilwarr1or Eddie says a lot of shit that he doesn't back up. Again, if he was adamant this document exists then why has port worn the prison bars on several occasions when we all know he doesn't want them to? Why did he make a new agreement in 2007 rather than just pointing to the old one and taking port to court? The reason port don't wear it anyway is because the AFL threatened to take away premiership points. If the threat was just a fine then they likely would've done it. Those were the conditions of entering and it's literally what they've done. Giving up the prison bars as their main jumper and wearing it once per season to celebrate the club's heritage aren't mutually exclusive.

[@devilwarr1or]

@Alex Soundias haha you're still ignoring the reality of the situation that proves there must be some form of agreement in writing to prevent it! If there wasn't, they would just wear it. If the afl threatened them with taking away points, then take it to court and appeal it..... They don't...because they know they would lose in court!!!! Eddie didn't become Collingwood president until late 98! Port were trying to get into the afl for years before that and came in 1997.

[@chadchadderton]

@@devilwarr1or you made multiple lies in your comment, but then proceeded to act predatory online and claim that alex lied about the document not being proven to exist... which is objectively the truth. you keep on saying they agreed to this and that, but never have you once actually proven where they agreed to it... aside from mentioning eddie like he's the second coming of jesus. the same eddie who for years supporter and befriended joffa (a known and now convicted child rapist) you also asked why port wouldn't wear it if there is no agreement, but when presented with the objectively true reason why you conveniently ignored it? that's beyond weird. Port were threatened with on-field sanctions, hence why they didn't wear it... never once did the AFL (who own the IP) threaten or even mention litigation, nor have the AFL ever spoken about the existence of some magical cover all document that port apparently signed. And again, when the borderline illegal actions by eddie that also included the factually correct statement that the AFL did agree to let port wear the bars at certain points in a season was mentioned you suddenly fell deaf and decided not to mention it whatsoever... once again conveniently ignoring something that doesn't suit the argument that eddie told you to write... what's so hard to understand? collingwood are latching on to an IP that they don't own and a guernsey that they openly copied from another team... yet they attempt to gate keep a design that isn't really even that close to the collingwood design whatsoever.

[@BDub2024]

Its not difficult is it. Don't wear white shorts away. Think of the whole strip. Its stupid for the Eagles to wear white shorts when they're playing a team with white on their jumper! Why would Carlton wear white shorts. When it just looks more like Collingwood/Geelong. They should both always wear their historic jumpers with white shorts. Melbourne played Collingwood with a light royal blue jumper and white shorts. But why white when Collingwood wore white! Wouldn't commonsense say red. If they get the shorts right you may find that teams don't end up having to wear alternative jumpers as much. Also Essendon and Richmond could more often wear their home strip but tinker with the design. For example Essendon wider sash, red trimmings and collar red shorts. They'd look a lot less than Saint Kilda who already have white on their jumper. End result is that both teams benefit and wear home strip. Richmond vs Carlton/Bulldogs shouldn't be wearing whte shorts clearly. They should be yellow (or black) with the home jumper tinkered a bit with a wider yellow sash and all the trimmings. Similary Bulldogs can wear red shorts against Collingwood, not white...

[@Ducatirati]

I am concerned that the traditional use the term a football Guernsey , is a dying tradition , younger people have with time worked Jersey in to describe a Guernsey , Save the Australian football Guernsy , keep jersey for Rugger ,Soccer , Anything but Australian rules , Save the Australian football GUERNSEY from being lost to the game like so many other traditions , it's an Aussie Footy jumper , Long Live The GUERNSEY RARARA 165 yrs a GUERNSEY

[@christopherharvie8716]

I don’t know about you but it’s always been called a jumper…

[@Ducatirati]

@christopherharvie8716 it is a jumper , it's a GUERNSEY, a type of jumper , the traditional jumper worn since 1858 , and the collars gone and it's evolved , but it still the CARLTON GUERNSEY they play for , Have a look a the original Butchers GUERNSEY.1864. 1870 , when we officially become the BLUES . PS I did mention that it is the traditional jumper GO BLUES , RARARA

[@chriseverett20]

Me: God I hate people who post 'first' Also me: *sees no comment yet* FIRST!!!

[@FootyA2Z]

Too good! You are the winner this time, Chris 🤣

[@downunderfulla6001]

These changes of guersies is just a cash grab to out pocket supporters. Wether at home or away they should have one colour and style. Sack whoever the clown is that thinks football is a fashion show🍺🍺

[@chadchadderton]

so collingwood should not wear white? richmond not wear black? carlton not wear blue?... you said only 1 colour right champ? those were your words.

[@xaviercurwood6403]

The prison bars is a joke. Port chose to be Power so be Power, you aren't the magpies.

[@r0bz0rly]

agreed. fuck port haha

[@downunderfulla6001]

Totally agree

[@chadchadderton]

they never attempted to reclaim the magpies nickname in the AFL... if you can point to where they made an official statement attempting to rebrand the AFL team as the magpies than go ahead, if not you're admitting you were wrong. i'll be waiting.

[@cattleprod4787]

White shorts is the worst tradition

[@harrybaruhas5576]

AFLW removed the while shorts mandates

[@r0bz0rly]

port adelaide are the power, not the magpies. 1 flag, 1997. (still love your channel btw just don't agree with you on the port issue)

[@garryjeffery9160]

Yeah mate 2004. 97 and 98 were the crows.

[@chadchadderton]

that's actually not correct. Port Adelaide entered the AFL and refounded a new entity for the SANFL... so objectivly the entity that joined the AFL In 1997 was the original club established in 1870 where as from that point on, the SANFL side was a newly established entity.

[@bradleycooper6065]

It's not really up for agreement, the Port Adelaide Football Club exists in the AFL. It is fact. Your denial doesn't change that. All it does it out you as uneducated and ignorant. Next you'll be telling us that you don't believe that the earth is round, that evolution is real or that climate change exists.

[@r0bz0rly]

@@garryjeffery9160 1997 was when they were established

[@Rob_D74]

I can't believe you didint do Collingwoods atlernate stripes where they just switched the position of black and white stripes. Not to mention that while they have an official alternate stripe, Collingwood never wear it, they pay the other team to wear their alternate stripe. As a Don's fan I wouldn't buy a jumper in anything other than a black gernsey with a red sash. I live in Brisbane and when I go to the Broncos Leagues Club they have a wall filled with all the different geurseys they have worn in their comparitively brief period that they have been around, and it makes me feel sad for their supporters that they dont have a long and proud tradition of wearing the same jumper for over 100 years. As for Port, they new what they were getting into when they joined the AFL. They could have chosen not to join and kept their prison bar geurnsey but they didnt, so stop being a bunch if whingers and embrace the teal.

[@chadchadderton]

seems like a hypocritical comment from a dons fan of all people. the same fanbase that refused to embrace indigenous people earlier this year? the same people that refused to embrace a red based guernsey and grey based guernsey even though they knew what they were getting into when they continued to hold their AFL License? the hypocrisy is utterly disgusting, I hope you get well soon champion.

[@rhyssanders9122]

The AFL club that is Port Adelaide was made in 97. They never wore the prison bars EVER! The club that wore the prison bars were the SANFL team Port Adelaide Magpies, its not heritage to the Power whatsoever so dont lump them into some issue that 'people aren't allowing them to wear their history' lol, they dont have history

[@chadchadderton]

oh wow, you clearly aren't educated. Prior to the 1997 season the AFL awarded a license to Port Adelaide... the SANFL club. What happened was the SANFL club entered the AFL and refounded a new entity to hold a SANFL licence as at the time the SANFL did not allow an AFL club to hold a SANFL licence (including the crows funnily enough). So actually the AFL club "Port Adelaide" is the 'original' team foudned in 1870 whereas the current "SANFL club" was actually founded post 1997. The AFL and SANFL entities were also separate because of forced separation by the SANFL (mentioned previously) until some time around 2010 I believe (can't exactly remember the year)... where the SANFL finally sorted out their issue with PAFC and allowed "PAFC" to hold both an AFL and SANFL licence, the entity now also holds an AFLW licence. make sense?

[@rhyssanders9122]

@@chadchadderton What season did they first play in the AFL? and what were their guernseys?

[@chadchadderton]

@@rhyssanders9122 collingwood first played in the AFL in 1990 btw champion, doesn't mean they were founded in 1990 does it. Collingwood also wore different guernseys in their first season as well much like west coast, fremantle, brisbane/fitzroy, gws, adelaide and the western bulldogs. so there's both your questions rendered moot

[@bradleycooper6065]

Imagine writing this, and not realising what an idiot you sound like.... "The CLUB that wore the prison bars were the TEAM Port Adelaide Magpies" So was it the club? or was it the team? Which one. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The Port Adelaide Football CLUB was granted an AFL licence, it formed a new squad and assembled a new TEAM. The club, its money, its board, its home, its facilities, its supporter base, the enemy hatred, the HISTORY all moved with the CLUB which owned it to the AFL. The TEAM also once dressed in Blue and White and Magenta after that, the TEAM was also known as the Portonians, the Seaside men, the Magentas among other names. These TEAMs all belonged to the one club, and doesn't mean each nickname change equals new CLUB. It's all well and good to troll Port supporters, and have a good laugh about it, but when you actually write things like this as if your trolling lies are factual all you do is make a fool of yourself.

[@Samfoote]

first L take from the channel