Let's Talk About STEALTH In Dying Light 2...

[@Noviex]

5:14

[@Pepplay33]

A M O G U S

[@Verxiety]

@@Pepplay33 S U G O M A

[@Zero-qr2td]

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[@kakkapentti4820]

@@Verxiety sugoma what?

[@Verxiety]

@@kakkapentti4820 HAHA SUGOMA DI-

[@princessmyprincess4284]

I 100% with "if your gonna do a stealth system, do it right". I don't expect a metal gear solid v level from dl2 I just hope it's servicable and isn't annoying.

[@purevevo]

Honestly if it’s better have it work like far cry

[@johnthebob1]

I really dont get mgs fans and comapring its stealth. Nothing compares to splinter cell. Tried phantom pain after seeing so many people who love it and after playing splinter cell just found it tedious and boring.

[@maxwellsamuel3255]

@@johnthebob1 splinter cell doesn’t come close to mgs. I’m a huge fan of tactical espionage (metal gear, splinter cell, Hitman, Dishonored, deus ex, tenchu, sniper elite ect) and mgs does this significantly better than most of the games I mentioned

[@johnthebob1]

@@maxwellsamuel3255 hmmm k sure not my point but will also disagree with that premise. The game itself I found tedious and boring. The tactical espionage Really doesn’t change all that much between games. if you’re comparing the size of your junk I was a stealth gamer from the original thief in 98 and golden eye in 97. I just never got why people liked it. Personally I loved the ability to problem solve and figure your way through splinter cell. Every part of it had an obstacle you had to think your way through using gadgets and tools and patience. Granted Ubisoft completely screwed the pooch when taking it over and then slightly redeemed themselves. But I see so many ppl saying it was the best ever by far and I just don’t see why.

[@theshinxgirl]

MgsV was nice and all but I would hope the stealth in this game isn't THAT hard and complex... I got the preorder because I wanted some next level fun, not some next level suffering lol

[@youngblood5434]

"must have been my imagination" *turns around and gets shot in the head*

[@lo154lo3]

Whoops! No more imagination now :D

[@youngblood5434]

@@lo154lo3 lol

[@jammeranimated2627]

"We'll they're gone now." - Enemy with an arrow/bullet in his head

[@tjjavier]

@@lo154lo3 Hahaha!!! 🤣

[@rietzhu]

@@jammeranimated2627 Funniest comment here! Its actually true! 😆 Seen happen more than once..

[@randomkriegsman8444]

I just realised there doesn’t appear to be a mini map, so I guess that means no more easily spotting virals and volatiles.

[@ColossalKiwi]

Correct, there's a compass instead.

[@velocifero4167]

Aren't there markers on top of the screen now for enemies? But yeah having minimap made spotting volatile a breeze

[@LEON-fo6sh]

YES but you will be abell to costumize it hovewer you want to even if as s mini map

[@mavvynne444]

@@ColossalKiwi I still preferred the mini-map tho

[@cjay6664]

They said all the hud can be turned off and on to suit how the game feels for you

[@krugerofcause9048]

I don't understand why so many people expect the most intelligent AI ever from this game. Yes, it's easy to make fun of, but this is still fairly standard AI.

[@negan9055]

I’ve seen better AI in half life 2, a decade old game. I get that this is standard for today’s games, but that doesn’t mean the studio had to follow that standard and couldn’t have branched out. Especially with how smart the AI was in the E3 trailers, which I get are scripted, it just feels like false advertising.

[@alphabroncotwozero392]

I mean when the humans are just as retarded as zombies you've got a problem

[@NefosteuxAlucard]

@@alphabroncotwozero392 *watches zombie and horror movies* .... I mean

[@protocetus499]

Lol people are trashing Alien isolation because the AI is too smart 😂.

[@SillyRiz]

@@negan9055 This AI is ok for DL2, if you've played DL1 you know how dumb the ai was an exploiting the AI was the funniest thing about the first game so Im glad they kept the trash AI, it just makes the game more fun imo

[@CeliriaRose]

I'm not sure how I feel about the scout who alerts others with a horn. On one hand it makes sense to alert others but given this is the zombie apocolypse and we and every other human character in the game are fully aware that noise attracts zombies a horn seems like the worst possible way to handle that situation. Not the end of the world by any means just seems kind of dumb from a logic perspective.

[@ColossalKiwi]

It does backfire on them a lot

[@phantom__1117]

Well the zombies don't like the light at all in the second one apparently

[@coltonshields2321]

How do you reckon they should alert their friends that someone’s killing them

[@CeliriaRose]

@@coltonshields2321 Allies could simply respond to sounds of fighting or characters could call out for their friends. Both still would involve sound but it would be less likely to carry as much as a horn would making it less likely to draw zombies. There could also be things like flares which could be shot up into the air to signal distress. Again makes some noise but far less than sounding a horn.

[@coltonshields2321]

@@CeliriaRose the bright light of the flare would probably attract zombies, shouting loud enough to get all your friends attention would attract zombies, the horn works fine

[@Valyntin]

Theres no words that can explain how excited I am to play dying light 2, after 6 years of community support and knowing techland is a company that fully listens to its community im sure dying light 2 is gonna be a master piece.

[@TheVoidWanderer]

I love the generic stealth system, with alert meters, tall grass, distraction objects, and cool takedowns, it's my jam. So glad it's here in DL2. Edit: I dunno if it is a skill or not, or just not in the game, but the ONE thing it is missing is the ability to drag bodies, ala Dishonored style. They did that the best, choke out and drag. It would fit so well with the animations they have.

[@ColossalKiwi]

Totally agree

[@simonreed8986]

I can imagine this might be a skill to earn.

[@negan9055]

The new survivor sense x rays their outline so it’ll still be pretty easy to spot them

[@bravepigster]

The best thing to do if you can’t move the bodies in game is to please not make the enemies notice the bodies, it ruins the stealth if I can’t do anything to prevent getting detected. Gta somehow didn’t have that problem cause they made it so the enemies only detect you if you killer someone near them.

[@negan9055]

@@bravepigster wouldn't having enemies look plainly at a corpse you just put in front of them ruin the stealth even more? It sounds ridiculous, I would rather be near detected and be forced to quickly shoot the enemy about to notice the corpse before he calls out rather than watch him stare blankly as his friend falls flat.

[@isaiahfolley7866]

My least favorite thing about inconsistent stealth games are that if one sees you then they all seen you, or if I kill someone after a alert meter went off, everyone is alerted

[@trentdouglas1532]

I instantly subbed to the channel after seeing this... The way you explained the implementation of stealth in games was spot on. Keep up the good work :) Fingers crossed the stealth ends up being viable and fun in Dying Light 2!

[@ColossalKiwi]

Hey, thank you! And welcome!

[@Jim90117]

Stealth is okay being slightly forgiving, however when it's slightly unforgiving that's when it starts to break. The whole experience has to feel fair to the player, alerting 1 guard and by defaulting alerting the entire base (even guards nowhere near the vicinity of the alerted guard) is definitely a stealth sin in modern games with stealth systems.

[@sampletext3433]

Oooh. That detection meter reminds me of how you had those two little displays in stalker SOC in bottom left corner, which indicated the amount of sound you made and how visible you were. That's cool stuff techland.

[@goromajima8396]

Techland: *Releases DL2* Me: *Modding the game audio so the howler sings the start of down with the sickness*

[@yellowjacket8870]

It might not be as useful but I do REALLY hope it comes back, just walking through hordes and looting things on an invisible timer or even using it to go though puzzles was so fun

[@NeuroticPixieSlasher]

> Massive fucking two-handed hammer > hehehe stelmth Seriously though, really looking forward to the stealth kill mechanics. I'd spend hours in FC3 taking out outposts using only stealth knife kills. I have no idea how many times I've had to reload a save after messing up in Dishonored when trying to do Ghost, Clean hands, and no magic in one game - but it was such an engaging thing to do. I wonder if there'll be skills for chain assassinations? Good to see a variety in human enemies, I didn't realize they added a human goon. The scouts seem like a gamechanger, can't wait to start sniping them (or doing my favourite rat play: bring zombies to the humans and loot everything while they're busy. Those Rais's guys must have been so embarrassed when they returned to HQ without the loot they were guarding - if they survived, of course, which is obviously not my problem.) I noticed toxic spit on 6:48 like the one the Night Hunter uses in DL1 to summon rabid explodey boys? What's up with that? Or do I need to visit Novtex's channel to find out more? ) I was hesitant about checking out videos by other KZbinrs, since I was waiting for yours and already know that you deliver. It's such a shame that you couldn't participate in this early demo for technical reasons - but at the same time it's wholesome that your reviewer bros got your back. Here's to everything being sorted out by the time DL2 releases 🤘

[@ColossalKiwi]

I also did clean hands and ghost in the same playthrough, but throwing no magic into the mix?! You madlad! I'd definitely implore you to check out those guys' videos if you can, it'll be well worth it. There are spitter zombies back in DL2 but the Revant also has a toxic waste attack too. Thanks so much for your comment!

[@RevolutionDrummer47]

Looks like they got it right for sure. Stealth mechanics, especially against zombies, looks great.

[@sidewaysfrog]

just subbed! love the way you make your content.

[@ColossalKiwi]

Thank you! And welcome to the channel!

[@UoKani]

This is very good and relieving information about Dying Light 2, and I personally am overjoyed they added these stealth mechanics.

[@OneNot]

I just wish they have good difficulty modifiers on the game. I feel like they did difficulties pretty alright in DL1. I noticed it less so in this video, but I just watched the OniZombies footage and noticed how incredibly easy the stealth looked. I mean mechanically it seems consistent and workable, which is great, but it just seems very easy in terms of detection ranges/angles/times as well as them not reacting to noises like the player dropping from a pretty big height very near an enemy. I REALLY hope that scales with difficulty in a smart way. By smart, I mean not just faster detection and that's it, but increased noise detection, bigger detection cone angles and all the other things I mentioned.

[@Brehbei]

Cant wait for this game to come out

[@shannond2707]

Great video! Thanks for posting 😊

[@oldschoolgaming4763]

Must agree. Always love games that you mention where you can almost stealth thru entire games with ninja takedown (probably because I suck at "spam all the buttons while fighting 12 enemy's at the same time"" playstyle). Kind of hope that there is a skill present in many other games that makes you loot the bodies of takedown victims while you take them down, its a great time saver. I wonder if a throwing knife at the head will always kill sleeping zombies from range or if you always have to get up close and personal (thinking of that howler down in the garage in that side mission some have shown). Cant wait to thursday midnight.

[@therealayy4542]

I didn't know that they gameplay until I watched this video,so 4:23 is when my eyes piped open and I immediately searched up more gameplay...I spent 4 hours watching dl2 content

[@popcapk5536]

I too like stealth, propane is an invisible gas, therefore propane=stealth

[@scheppusmaximusgaming]

The skyrim part had me laughing *stands in front of the player* "Must be my imagination" *gets a headshot*

[@daganknott4573]

I’m so exited for steal play through

[@mattshepherd1736]

Being in the dark rushing through dormant zombies with 30 seconds of immunity left it’s sweaty

[@ILIKELOTSOFCAKE]

You nailed the intro to this video.

[@ColossalKiwi]

Thank you Mason!

[@banana7371]

7:08 idk if this was just part of the crouch walk animation but i noticed his hand twitching kinda fast at the same time as the zombie

[@kezplays1296]

Love how enemy’s react to your torch

[@noah-984]

Really good break down cleared up a lot of concern

[@Tenshihan-Quinn]

In Dying Light 1 - instead of wondering why the enemies all suddenly know where you are, just imagine that such a thing exists as radios, they communicate the fact that they just saw you at 'X' location.

[@JD-yt8dj]

Dude ngl I forgot you existed I haven’t seen your videos in SOOO long

[@miss.brun0]

Oh man, I am so excited for this game. Me and my best friend played Dying Light 1 with each other religiously when we were younger, and it’s so incredibly refreshing to see a sequel that actually looks like an IMPROVEMENT. Techland has always had a great track record of listening to their fanbase, and it seems that’s no different here. People have complained that the jumping seems a bit floaty, for instance, but A) I don’t think that’s a massive deal, and B) if it does become an issue, I have no doubt Techland will jump at the chance to make their game the best it can be for their fans.

[@FBI-sr2eg]

I just really help theres sniping in this game, parkouring up to a good vantage point and clearing out an outpost from a distance seems so badass

[@ventilated6443]

There won't be modern firearms in DL2 sadly, so probably not.

[@FBI-sr2eg]

@@ventilated6443 really? That seems like a weird move. I thought guns were done great in DL1

[@ventilated6443]

@@FBI-sr2eg It's cause it's been 15 years since the Quarantine failed. There isn't a reasonable amount of ammo anymore, and they want to focus on melee combat. We still have homemade guns though, like sawed offs and such.

[@FBI-sr2eg]

@@ventilated6443 damn. Maybe there’s a homemade bolt action you can put a scope on but i doubt it

[@GoobleMoWizard]

Actually kind of glad the Devs actually made a stealth system that works, and not a one chance thing. I noticed as well, bigger enemies when they hit you, you didn't go flying down on the ground and have to wait a few seconds longer than usual to get up, cause in Dying Light 1, it was a real pain to get up, and the fact that enemies kept attacking you, and downing you right after you got up was annoying. I could be totally wrong on that one, but I found it pretty frustrating to get knocked over repeatedly.

[@henseltbrumbleburg3752]

I'm just looking forward to a solid campaign. I'm not keen on the health bar. I hope we get some mods that make enemies less spongey. Like instant kill on head shots or something

[@saechaoboi416]

I'm honestly really bad at stealth but I do like approaching in stealth before chaos insues so this will be cool

[@pedroribeiro1410]

bruh, youtube recomend this video about dying light from a foreign channel that obviously i never heard of but i think "meh, i'll watch it it's about dying light and i like the game" then i go 5 minutes deep and this guy give me a fucking amongus, fuck it liked and subscribed

[@ColossalKiwi]

🙏

[@chillymonkeys7772]

So happy to hear this 👍🏻👍🏻

[@mookachalupa]

Only thing I missed in Dying Light 1 was a reliable stealth system, that with the projectile auto aiming were my main and only gripes. Really happy to see so many improvements and changes coming with DL2

[@ryanobrien2383]

In dying light camflouge pretty much makes you a god with all the necks you can snap.

[@TheCombatKitchen]

What ever happened to your Nightmare playthrough? I enjoyed watching those. Can't seem to find them these days.

[@harrietje2001]

If techland aces this game, and in have faith they wil, this gon be goty 2022 for sure

[@glb1993]

I can not wait for this game dude I swear lol it's going to take up so so many hours of my life and I won't regret a second of it. Elden rings going to do that to me also lol.

[@tbtb771]

“Happy boy” line is Nakeyjakey reference?

[@ColossalKiwi]

Yes!

[@ColossalKiwi]

So glad someone caught that. His RDR2 video is still one of the best KZbin videos ever made.

[@osc-oldschoolclips5204]

I’m so looking forward to stealth. I can’t wait.

[@BubblyJubbly]

Ya ever played Styx Shards of Darkness, dude? Perfect stealth game if you fancy it, plus it’s super cheap now.

[@LoR0451]

0:13 Hitman: Absolution...... That's the Hitman game you chose for an example? Well, to each their own I suppose ;) lol jk Jokes aside, enjoyed the video as always Kiwi. Completely agree about how some games really stuggle with their identity by trying to include stealth in a not super practical way (felt this most with Wolfenstein: The New Order/The New Colossus.) My favorite stealth systems from video games are all from older titles like *Thief: The Dark Project*, *Splinter Cell*, and *Metal Gear Solid*. Really hyped for Dying Light 2.

[@ColossalKiwi]

I played Absolution way too much in high school lol

[@erikkostadinov7019]

Dude this game is going to be amazing i didnt know they had a whole stealth system and i do really like stealth

[@JjDBz]

lol when he showed picture of hitman and said make it look like an accident. i think i played the wrong hitman.😂😂

[@zaidenator1671]

i see the health bar of enemies and I don't really like that and i hope i would be able to turn that off, but are you still going to be able to one swing kill enemies?

[@logansaxby7224]

Dying Light 2 is going to be terrible

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@logansaxby7224 RIP I already pre ordered it 😂

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

You can probably turn it off. Dead Island had health bars too and you could disable them.

[@davebriggs2919]

Yeah you can turn them off

[@webby3174]

@@logansaxby7224 have a little hope man

[@Obsidian_One1]

I can get behind this! It really isn't the best stealthy game but it is consistent and viable. It's not stuck in the middle with one foot in and the other out. God job Dying Light! 👍

[@TheMornom]

Nice video! I'm glad that we will have a stealth system in DL2. Especially for killing other humans, because I didn't really liked human encounters in DL1. I will definitely try the sneaky approach with humans.

[@camweyland5864]

These past few years, the games that have been coming out has made me disinterested in gaming but MAN AM I READY FOR DL2

[@bravepigster]

The stealth was hard to understand cause only certain things triggered their attention, like I’d shoot someone who was in view of someone but he wouldn’t notice, then I hear the guy downstairs get alerted.

[@Aetharn]

I kinda hope that we'll see a dying light 2 mythbusters when the game comes out and people have questions haha

[@Earthpenguin123]

First time I used stealth in that game was that first volatile mission fighting them was impossible at the time and they were scary af

[@scorchingstarbhaskar7011]

The people who are complaining about adopting elements from another games would've complained about DL2 just being a big DLC if it'd remained the same. The only thing I have an issue is lack of volatiles at night or less variation of them. I would like it if difficulty settings change such elements

[@kirstyburston2912]

far cry 3 started my love of stealth def an amazing game

[@PlebNC]

Hey, hey. Doom is a stealth game. The enemy can't trigger the alarm IF NO-ONE SURVIVES.

[@Minotaur5200]

Dying Light 1 stealth system reminds me that of Far Cry 2 stealth. The one difference is that in DL1 if you kill an enemy and nobody sees that, you cover is safe. Meanwhile in Far Cry2 no matter how stealthy you are, the moment you take out ANY of the guards wether they see you or not alarm is raised. So atleast DL1 has slightly better stealth than FC2. In that regard DL2 blows DL1 out of the water when it comes to stealth, similar to what FC3 did to FC2 on that same topic.

[@rizalgar3801]

colossa when going loud is an option:

[@payne267]

Can enemies find and call in dead body's? And if so, can you move body's?

[@boundedscythe7726]

Talking about stealth even in camo zombies hear your footsteps even if you aren't running around yet they can't hear any of the other footsteps or screams.

[@jayuchiha4478]

*Silently sneaks up behind enemy with MASSIVE SLEDGEHAMMER and bonks them* Hehe Stelf🤫😏

[@bernardonunes501]

Hey, can you answer this? How are the virals? They are like the first game, like, you can't do noises? By the way, they appear at day time? I didn't saw any at the gameplays that are at the day.

[@ColossalKiwi]

They pretty much act the same as the first game, except you'll mainly encounter them at night

[@Akaash449]

Farcry 2 stealth was pretty realistic.. good memories.

[@mavvynne444]

I can't wait to do play it like Far Cry style 😎

[@SharkSprayYTP]

its an improvement. but i dunno, i really like stealth games but i cant lie i dont really want to stealth it. like i just want to bolt through dark zones with zombies on my arse instead of slowly avoiding sleepers.

[@DhrubaPal]

Me: Stealth???? I thought I need to run like hell like last one 😂😂😂😂

[@canlex]

I’m so fucking excited for this game. God I want it now.

[@fryanne9750]

So the vent is from the batman series game

[@dazzio187]

God I can't wait for this. I want to know the specs required

[@darkcrow3350]

I think it's on the steam store

[@dazzio187]

@@darkcrow3350 it's all tbc

[@darkcrow3350]

@@dazzio187 Ah my mistake we'll the specs will definitely be more than dying light 1

[@ElementlSynd]

i do love stealth but for this game it even better for saving ressources

[@jeremyfigueroa1683]

I don't know man, my game might be bugged because remember the mission hakon told you about the sleeping beauties. They were all awake nd once I started they all knew where I was nd attacked. I had to brute force it, nd ever since then I can't do stealth with zombies. They are always alerted. Either that or they are glitched into the ground nd are always near by so I can't progress missions, I have to either go to sleep or quit the game

[@DPowered2]

Enemy interaction with each other is a bit annoying. Their top priority is stuck on you and sometimes they do fight each other but they will mainly focus on you

[@luciferken2796]

When dishonored meets dying light

[@yoosefazarnoush]

How do you have all this information about how it is? Any releases?

[@ColossalKiwi]

Press demo event

[@sleepy_killer]

I like the game it needs a little more gravity and not strong magnets effect magnets and it's perfect

[@DatAsianGuy]

glad to hear that stealth is a more viable option now.

[@Pand0rasAct0r_]

I have a question. Idk if you can answer this. But one thing I hated the most about the original were the auto aim on bows/crossbows. That it didn't matter how you aimed it would sorts auto aim. Even on pc. Is this removed? Is it fully self controlled now?

[@sleepy_killer]

U know there is an option to remove auto aim right? Righttt?

[@dumplingjaw8749]

I know how you feel about stealth especially when there is a stealth skill tree and your in hard mode

[@kellyyang3370]

the howler's not new it's basically is the screamer but fully adult

[@heyaParanoiA]

: so..is it basically "when you're stealth on DL1, you're a stealth god in DL2"?

[@wasteland_bandit0654]

Assassin's creed,Hitman,dying light, not so much far cry and some what watchdogs 1&2 those are my favourite stealth games

[@theveryloosegoose]

I really liked Dishonored stealth, so I hope I'll enjoy this game's stealth as well When I buy it a year after release cuz we can't afford it, amirite poor people gang?

[@evanludens4583]

5:14 to see how to duplicate weapons

[@noborge]

Half baked stealth in games suck. It's always a pain to be detected for half a second by someone who couldn't even react to me manage to telepathically tell all of his teammates my exact location

[@varunpatkar501]

Anybody have any suggestions for games with really great stealth systems? I really liked the stealth in Metro Games and Dishonored and how it affected your endings. I am looking for more games like those but cant seem to find any. Also I only have a PC so no PlayStation or Xbox exclusives please.

[@freeaccount5223]

I hate they keep giving HP bar at enemies right now it's very annoying to look at

[@churchhimself4405]

ah my the best kiwi

[@adambucek2138]

5:08 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@memdic6987]

If we are talking about stealth mechanics, what do you think of Payday 2? I know the game is very old, but it is still living to this day. I wonder how will OVK handle stealth in Payday 3...

[@ColossalKiwi]

I can't say I've ever played it sorry. Been meaning to for a loooong time

[@vthelastrun3290]

Love stealh as an option

[@kylanstover6748]

When does the game release again

[@ColossalKiwi]

Feb 4th 2022

[@doge9347]

Is the survivor sense the same?

[@ColossalKiwi]

Great question - the survivor sense seems to reveal a bit more than the first game.

[@doge9347]

@@ColossalKiwi nice

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

This game was trying really hard to be a scary realistic version of the first game in trailers... Guess it's good I know that it was all a ploy. Who the feck thought it was a good idea to change the formula.

[@lifeisgood1776]

I mean if you don't like it don't buy it 🤷

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

@@lifeisgood1776 I think I've heard that somewhere before? Something like an evil corporate game developer that makes terrible copy paste and uninspired boring games.

[@lifeisgood1776]

@@cendresaphoenix1974 I have no Idea what ur talking about

[@outbobthelaw2248]

Where exactly did they market it as a scary game? You could see how vibrant and different it was compared to the first game from the very first gameplay released.

[@lifeisgood1776]

@@outbobthelaw2248 it's not supposed to be scary it's more like a action thriller with a lil spook here and there

[@MTH3h3l0l]

Where the heck do you access this demo?

[@CeliriaRose]

It's a press demo. Various youtubers and press outlets got to play the game for around 4 hours so they could writer articles/make videos about the game.

[@LittlePickle47]

Must have been the wind