Let’s talk about THAT Land Rover fire. KIDS STUCK INSIDE!

[@steadfastandyx4947]

A clue in their name : ' dead' locks. Very good man John for stopping that happening and the gentleman with the Volvo.

[@KenFullman]

In fairness I recall the opposite being a problem when airbags were first introduced. To allow emergency services to gain access to vehicles damaged in an accident, whenever the airbags deployed it would automatically unlock all the doors of the car. The problem came when car theives became aware of this feature. Many high end vehicles were being stolen with the simple procedure of just firmly hitting the front bumper. This was enough to cause the airbags to deploy and the doors automatically unlocked. With a swift swipe of a knife, the airbag could be cut to get it out of the way. A quick bit of hotwiring and the car was gone. The common sense solution to this would have been to dissable the airbag system when the ignition was turned off. Seems common sense doesn't always prevail.

[@Nite-owl]

Golf sticks? Everyone knows they're called golf bats !

[@Dan23_7]

Don’t be daft, they’re golf racquets.

[@greg5639]

Bugger ! I thought they were called paddles! 😏

[@liberty0758]

Batons dude...

[@davidorr6627]

No, they are called "Bunker extrication devices".

[@WingPoyLeong]

You are all silly buggers

[@rogerhargreaves2272]

John is a Hero. This must have been terrifying for all those involved. Caution when carrying equipment like clubs and batons; cops can arrest you for being in possession of a lethal weapon. If you have a baseball bat, carry a baseball with you.

[@jo_clarke1960]

Tyre iron and jack are but 2 things which can be used, if your car has them and are legal to carry.

[@russcattell955i]

@@jo_clarke1960 They will never take my wheelbrace

[@jo_clarke1960]

@@russcattell955i 🤣🤣🤣

[@DaleSteel]

GEOFF.. im car dealer. Ive just sold a shogun to a lady who had a discovery sport. That ended up on fire at side of motorwar too. Its the ingenium engined one.

[@pmercuk]

I initially read that as you'd sold her a shotgun. Better than a golf stick LOL

[@Crosshatch1212]

Wild ,

[@Elsie-uy2kl]

Thank goodness for the stranger. 👍. Another reason not to buy a range rover. 😔

[@davidorr6627]

Or any other modern car. Too many electronically operated things that don't need to be electronically operated. I think my next car will be a 1970's Plymouth Roadrunner or Barracuda. No electronics in those bad boys.

[@markbray2988]

Well done John for his quick thinking👏🏻

[@chromiumphotography5138]

About 5 years ago, Aldi sold a really good emergency tool to keep in your vehicle. Torch, seat belt cutter, glass breaking point, and flashing beacon, all in one for about a fiver. Plus one end was magnetic so you can stick to the roof when using the beacon. Sadly, I've never seen it again.

[@markpavlowski7223]

Lidl did one 5/6 weeks ago...+ added bonus of LCD tyre pressure gauge...£4.99

[@discoequipmenthire]

The simple hammer / seat belt cutter version has been around for years, I got bought one by a relative many years ago when I passed my driving test, it's been in the glove box of every car I've owned. Surprised they aren't standard equipment by now.

[@Dan23_7]

@@discoequipmenthireThe little red ones ?

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

I've just ordered one. You never know.

[@Mr4fksake]

I bought one in there a couple of months or so ago for 99p 👍

[@alasdair4161]

An automatic centre punch is the perfect tool for window breakage. I have one in every car including my wife's Ranger. You simply push the point against the glass, press in and the window shatters. I used it once to free a child who had locked himself in his parents car (with the keys) and it was effortless and instant. I keep mine in the door pocket for quick access, just in case.

[@ln5747]

Centre armrest is probably best. Doors more likely to get crushed and unable to access.

[@alasdair4161]

@@ln5747 Good point. (no pun intended)

[@ln5747]

@@alasdair4161 haha

[@SomeGuy_83]

God dam that toxic mascalinulty saving kids again.

[@nixswatson]

Very traumatising, I know from experience, having tried years ago to rescue children+baby from a flat fire...still get flashbacks...hope the guy and the mother are ok....

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

Usual Land Rover quality

[@audibell]

Land rover are s***

[@johnnythefox1851]

RECENT Land Rover quality.

[@johnnythefox1851]

@@audibell Most carsd are tehse days. The old ones were fine. Ihave had two, a Range Rover and now a Defender with no issues at all

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

​@@johnnythefox1851 L322 was the last proper Range Rover

[@johnnythefox1851]

@@paulie-Gualtieri. Mine was a 1981 3.5 V8 Range Rover and now I have a 1997 Defender 2.5. Both excellent vehicles.

[@petenikolic5244]

NEVER close the door when you get out of a car in trouble ALWAYS leave the door WIDE OPEN it cant auto lock then

[@kralg]

This is the first thing came to my mind. If my car caught fire and I got out the check it I would no way to shut the door behind me, especially when my kids are inside.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

If cars still used manual locks and wind-down windows, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.

[@markstarmer3677]

How dare you speak common sense sir.

[@TwinTowerTwo]

I like manual locks and winder windows.

[@geoffreybanditt4355]

Even cars from the 80's, 90,s and the early 2000's with central looking and power windows all what you needed to do was just pull the inside door lever to opening position the door and the car door would automatically unlock and open, and even without power you still couldn't fully lock yourself inside those era cars. And if the built in rear door child locks were activated you still could get in through the front doors to try and get kids out of the car. But cars back them also had a key lock to unlock the front doors also well to you still could unlock them with out any power even with the battery fully disconnected unlike newer modern cars today with only having keyless entry.

[@gravemind6536]

All cars should have one of those small pointed hammers for breaking glass anyway.

[@geoffreybanditt4355]

@@gravemind6536 And you could add fire extinguishers to the list as well and First aid kits as well. The old late 80' to early 90's Mercedes and BMW's I have been around and owned did actually come with a standard First aid kits, I My old 91 BWM 735il still has the original First aid kit in but obviously everything in it would outdated now passed their expiry dates. Also the BMW emergency tool kit did the Euro Warning Triangle reflectors in them as well. Also Aldi have those things as well but The one I bought years ago had the spot for the first aid kit but the kit was already taken out from one of the previous owners.

[@storkythepunk]

I used to work for a Golf manufacturer in a former life (Spaldings/Topflite/Callaway), I wondered why he chose the 6 Iron? he obviously couldn't use the Driver, that said the owner is going to need some wedge to pay for the damage.

[@rayhall3954]

Every car has an instant rescue kit in the boot, car jack (heavy enough to break any window/screen), wheel brace: ditto, screw drive placed at the edge of the glass will also do the job. Stay calm, think then act. learnt this in the fire brigade when a fire tender was not always available. Hope this advice helps someone in distress.

[@nearlypastit2385]

Ray, good point . However, I have a fairly new Toyota hybrid (not yet two years old). Toyota, in their infinite wisdom (NOT !) don't supply a a jack or wheel nut spanner with my model (just that dreadful aerosol liquid and a small electric inflator !). I purchased a small device to carry in the passenger compartment of my car, similar to a spring activated centre-punch, for use should I ever come across an occupied car (in a river, or a car fire) or, heaven forbid, I find myself so trapped.

[@Craig-wp3pz]

Wow, was it finished in 'Far Right Red' as a desperate limited edition by Land Rover, inspired by recent events ??? 🔥

[@kevinmott6205]

John you are a hero. Thanks Geoff for bringing this to us ❤

[@petramaas8574]

John is absolute a hero! ❤. Talking of breaking car windows: there are several types of implements. Could you do a video about which type works best?

[@adamwarren1104]

This explains exactly why i keep my Torque Wrench in the rear footwell. Well done that man...

[@timwilks666]

How would that have helped here ?

[@RodneyW]

Thanks for sharing this one Geoff. It's a great relief to have everyone survive a fire. It's awful that it seems to be so frequent for JLR products. Electrically dead-locked doors are ridiculous - what is going on with modern car design?! It's a good idea for everyone to be prepared, although you don't need a golf club. Any car with a spare tyre has what you need to break a window. The wheel brace or jack lever, will make short work of most side windows. (Perhaps not a Cybertruck window though). There are specialised window breaking tools that will also do it much more easily.

[@XX-el4bv]

Also, I drive to Cardiff occasionally from Bristol, and every time I see at least 4 cars with or without RAC or AA vans broken down on the M4 and further along. All modern cars. Saw 6 in one night a week ago (ish) Stay safe to all of the Geoff tribe 🙏 💚🍀

[@kyrptohead]

I have a Jaguar XJ diesel and it nearly went on fire a couple of months ago after a fuel line came off the fuel filter, whilst I was driving, covering the outside of the car and the whole engine bay in diesel by the time I realised what had happened and brought the car to a stop. Smoke started to pour from the engine bay and thought it was going to catch fire and burn out!! But, fortunately the diesel didn't ignite, so eventually the smoke came to nothing and eventually after 30 mins the issue had passed. A local mechanic came, as I had called the AA, but by that time I had found a fuel line off from the fuel filter. I tried to replace it but it wouldn't clip on securely? I pointed the issue to the mechanic and he said, oh yes this is a common problem as the clips aren't always reset correctly when they are removed during the fuel filter replacement. I said I had just had the car go through a major service, timing chain replaced, so the fuel filter assy was removed to gain access etc. Credit to the service garage, as I went back and explained the situation, so they cleaned the engine bay and paid for the lost diesel!! But, if the car had gone up in flames then the problem of the incorrectly fitted fuel line hose clip would not have been picked up. So maybe this could be worth checking after a fuel filter has been replaced by a garage.

[@1gerard47]

46 years as a mechanic, those clip on fuel connectors are a pain ,why change from tried and tested jubilee clips beats me.

[@anonnona8099]

@@1gerard47 > 46 years as a mechanic, those clip on fuel connectors are a pain , > why change from tried and tested jubilee clips beats me. Robots can't do jubilee clips. And dozy humans can slip a jubilee clip on and then forget to tighten it.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@anonnona8099 Doesn't look like they can attach the new clips properly either..

[@modarkthemauler]

The spring loaded center punch, used in metal work, breaks a window fast and easy. Small enough to keep on your key chain.

[@geoffas]

But, probably illegal to carry on the streets in the UK?

[@ln5747]

​@@geoffasno 🙄

[@jonjon738]

Thanks Mum for locking me in a burning car - fortunately there was a man around to save the day.

[@Sebastianraikkonen_actualname]

What an absolute Geoff Top Tip and quote to use, I will use and refuse to provide context "Make sure you've got something in your car, that allows you to smash either your own windows or someone else's window"

[@paulriggers1558]

car filling up with smoke with your kids in... you get out and shut the doors ? she must come from a really, really, rough neighbourhood...

[@vandamonium1731]

go listen again.... the smoke was coming from under the bonnet not filling the car

[@paulriggers1558]

@@vandamonium1731 and where does the HVAC [heater + air conditioning] get the air from to blow in your face, ahh, yes, under the bonnet... nobody threw petrol in the passenger compartment, the flames came through the dash...

[@YUDNSAY]

Good man...

[@jockmchaggis6797]

Quality.. both of my sisters and my folks all have a 2015 on Discovery Sport...

[@geoffhalstead1811]

Why close the doors⁉️ I’ve got a window smashing tool clipped to the side of my Dobló’s tunnel, & within easy reach. Nor many people know that a removable head rest can be used to smash a window.

[@Jonny_The_Organism]

I got one of those also... Great seatbelt cutter on it too.

[@geoffhalstead1811]

@@Jonny_The_Organism Ah, forgot that cutter👏👍🤗

[@xr6lad]

Yes I agree. Something is not adding up here. Not saying it didn’t happen but is someone covering for the mum. Smoke starts coming out. Mum stops. Mum gets out of smoking car AND closes door (doors don’t close themselves) while smoke is going on and kids inside?

[@johndrake3731]

And you take the headrest with you when you get out ??? (EVERY TIME IN A JLR)

[@geoffhalstead1811]

@@johndrake3731 I’m referring to other drivers who come across a situation like this and use their car’s headrest.

[@libraman1303]

Would have used a 4-iron myself…but John clearly used his favourite club…good on him👍

[@BerndFelsche]

Maybe he didn't know what was par

[@confederatenationalist7283]

There are lots of modern designs with double glazed and/or laminated glass windows if not windows that arent large enough to get through. Door release mechanisms should never be electrical or able to be disabled electrically.

[@DrDandan]

John, we salute you 🫡

[@blacksmoke9419]

John is an absolute hero 😊

[@wordup1944]

Well done John

[@AndrewTSq]

Saw the same thing the other day from a Kia Ceed hybrid, where the fire started under the bonnet where the high voltage thing box :D to the electric motor was.

[@johngoard8272]

Well Geoff mate I live in Australia since 1978 and this whole issue that everyone with misguided delusions of grandeur has to have these large and cumbersome SUVs for everyday use is simply out of hand out here too. What annoys the living heck out of me is that they think they own the road, have to overtake you whatever it takes, bully other road users at roundabouts, and park in disabled spots when to me if you are disabled like myself because how in the name of reason does one get in and out of these monstrosities?? I might add that many do not have the appropriate tag left on the windscreen of one's vehicle.

[@micke3035]

Hero = someone who through a swift, determined and unselfish action save lives. John it's a great character treat to be modest, but you are a HERO! 👍

[@tonysheerness2427]

Childproof locks and deadlocks what can go wrong in an emergency?

[@chrisose]

A couple of notes on this. First, you should have a glass breaker on your key ring in case you need to break a side window to escape. Note: This only works with tempered safety glass (see below) Second and more concerning: There is a trend among car manufacturers to use laminated glass in the side windows instead of tempered safety glass. These windows will NOT shatter and allow escape. In fact first responders now need to carry a special powered shears to cut through windows to perform rescues.

[@pilkipilki4472]

Insurance firm will sue the guy for breaking the window

[@PhilDiasPJD]

Without knowing John's skill, i guarantee that was definitely the best 6 iron shof of his life. Well done mate. Legend!

[@DeeCee1150]

Spot on reporting regarding "Wales Online" Geoff, a complete crock.

[@declanbrady5172]

Geoff. You can use your headrest to smash a window. One of the metal posts has a spiked end and is designed to smash a window in an emergency. Alternative you can buy an emergency glass hammer with a blade built in to cut through a seat belt for £20-30.

[@RobertMacleod-h3b]

Well done john

[@MrDblStop]

John is a hero. I wonder how long he took lining up his swing though? 😄 'No, hands a little lower, weight a bit more to the left, relax the forearms...'

[@nerielarisma1]

The means by which you directly intervene with a vehicle, Handbrake, footbrake, steering, door handles and locks are being removed with fatal consequences

[@timreed663]

I already have a tool which can cut seatbelts and smash the windows it's a tool to help the elderly get in and out of a car,it also has a torch

[@clivelittle831]

Too many unnecessary electric gizmos, too many multifunction items - what could go wrong?

[@Phiyedough]

If it had been a series 1 Land Rover this would not have happened.

[@ldnwholesale8552]

A Landrover catching fire?? Never, such a quality vehicle. !!

[@jonjo6886]

One thought I had was to tell people not to shut their door if the car may start burning. If they have kids or other passengers in the back they would have a means of escape.

[@cjj0701]

Note - software is updated for phones over the air all the time. No one has issues with that. Need to think prior to just knocking over the air updates.

[@SLEEPYSID99]

Well done John. You're a hero. Geoff if its a diesel then what is actually catching fire ? Oil leak? On to exhaust manifold?

[@jacquelinebrunder2384]

I have one of those multi tool things in the car for cutting seat belts and it has a heavy duty sharp point for smashing car windows with. As you say everyone should carry one given these car locking issues seem to be ubiquitous. The ability to slash the seatbelts is important as it is often hard to undo the seatbelts from outside the broken window.

[@chrischarlton422]

Geoff, you've just convinced me to take my wheel brace out of the boot and cable tie up out of sight under the back bumper but close enough to yank it free if I need it to break the glass....

[@Wee_Langside]

Since you did Birmingham Live a couple of weeks ago I'm addicted to their stupid stories.

[@IrishFoxHound]

He is an absolute hero!!! Kudos John! Cars will have a wheel brace!!🙂 EXCEPT EV’s!!!😱

[@JulieChapman-l6e]

New cars do not need a wheel brace they do not have a spare wheel

[@IrishFoxHound]

@@JulieChapman-l6e my point being numbnuts is that a wheel brace can smash a window too

[@jo_clarke1960]

Got something, called a 2ft half inch breaker bar for starters and all of is driving older cars should have a tyre iron or jack, anything in a pinch. Mother must have been petrified and gonna need a hell of a lot of time to recover, let's hope the children didnt get some damage and the oldest gets the help she'll need. John may not want to think of himself as one, fine but we can all think of him as a hero, good on that man, even if he does ruin a good walk 😁

[@bleachyberserko4191]

John, what a legend 👏👏👏

[@frostyflowers4207]

You can buy a small key ring window breaker they similar to what you see on trains and buses to break window

[@offgrid7837]

To design vehicles that can trap people inside with no mechanical means of entry or exit is gross negligence and should result in huge legal cases.

[@GordonRoberts-em4ht]

You can use the shaft on your headrest to smash windows if you don't have a golf club. I walked away from my Isuzu MUX with the key in my pocket and the engine stopped. The car locked itself and my wife and friend were trapped inside. My wife had to sound the horn to get me back and let them out. This is in Australia and luckily it wasn't hot. Daft idea.

[@RealButcher]

What a good man, reacting sooo quick. ❤🎉 But why did it burn soo quick... petrol? Or Lipo battery under the bonnet? I have seen a car catch fire... it did go fast but not alarmingly fast. And it staarted where the engine was. At one moment yu could see the front windshield catch fire and melt.

[@andylaauk]

If it wasn't for the fact that it was a diesel, they wouldn't have had a chance, unlike an ev fire an ice car will take time to burn.

[@scanadaze]

I carry an ice pick/hammer for windows. I bought it after watching a KZbin video of a guy in a Tesla that was on fire and couldn't get out. Problem with the Tesla truck is the windows are made not to break.

[@liberty0758]

Anyone finding themselves in such situation, a very important tip to break glass would be at the top edge where window meets B pillar, where the glass is most fragile.

[@Spenny-px3mu]

An automatic spring loaded centre punch is small, easy to carry about and the perfect tool for breaking hardened glass without causing any flying glass etc.

[@techjunkie68smusicandtech56]

I am old enough to remember a time when we didn't have to worry about all this security on cars and homes, we had more trust and less crime overall, people looked out for each other and the only time we had our door locked was at night when asleep, now, we have to secure virtually everything and we've become too reliant on electronics (especially in cars)for security and general operation of the vehicle. And yes, times were BETTER then! I was born in '68 and had a great youth. As time went on I saw a decline in standards of just about everything and it makes me feel sad and angry at the same time. Why do people allow standards to fall and allow our society to be much worse than it was and hearing people say, oh that's just how it is, you can't do anything about it! It makes me cringe, there's so much going wrong now, people feel paralysed, and don't know where to start to create change for the better, this includes myself! Unfortunately I know this has been done deliberately, to demoralise people, make them apathetic to what's going on around them. Problem - Reaction - Solution and here's where we are now. Increased crime calls for increased security measures but also increased risks when things go wrong due to decreased quality standards!

[@sib923]

All cars used to come with a 'Safety Hammer'...for the windows and with a cutter for seat belts! Do they still provide these?!? If not hey should!! Just get yourself one of those!

[@soundseeker63]

THANK GOD in both these instances someone has managed to get the childrenout in time!!! But how long before we have a tragic incident where that isn't the case....? Have any official recalls been made by JLR as there is very clearly a problem with fires that needs addressing ASAP. Can the government not intervene when an issue becomes safety critical like this?

[@SteveTarren]

Did you know that the white material on a spark plug which is either ceramic or porcelain,will instantly shatter car side windows, I have witnessed it being done to reduce down some old car glass to make disposal easier

[@litestuffllc7249]

The Landrover sport has hybrids - diesel usually do not catch fire and all diesels have a petrol shut off; which can ensure fuel doesn't keep feeding the fire.

[@robertguest1832]

"All Diesels have a petrol shut off " 😂 I'd have thought a Diesel shut off would have been better

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@robertguest1832 Ya I suppose if you take Petrol to mean gasoline; I understand its meaning to be fuel.

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@robertguest1832 Seems like my definition is more to the exact meaning - according to Google: "Petrol - a light fuel oil that is obtained by dstilling "petrolium" and used in internal combustion engines" - evidently you think it means gasoline; which isn't the only way you can break petrolium down; you can make both gasoline, diesel, and other light petrolium fuel.

[@Mr4fksake]

You need to keep these things handy in the car under the seat as most people seem to keep a boot full of crap plus you've also got to get in the boot and if its all dead locked then no chance in an emergency !!

[@julesviolin]

Why don't they report the exact make model and year? It would be so helpful in investigating the cause.

[@onthebuses]

Scotland Sharing 🍺📡🍺

[@Budgie40]

The Moral of this story keep a 6 iron golf stick on the roof bar of the car not inside as it could get locked inside. Really glad the kids got out.

[@Dan23_7]

Good old JLR strikes again.

[@TheLDunn1]

Geoff, I often hear EVangelists repeatedly say that statistically, EV’s catch fire way less than ICE (let’s ignore hybrids for the time being). Is this still true, given the seemingly endless supply of EV fires we see these days? OR, is it just that when an ICE catches fire it only tends to burn out the one car, rather than take out the whole car park / transport ship / dealership, and so doesn’t make the news as readily as the EV’s? It would be good to separate out petrol & diesel figures too I think.

[@geoffas]

They're playing with statistics. There are far more ICEs than EVs on the roads ;-)

[@TheLDunn1]

@@geoffas yeah, but it would be good to see the stats behind them. I’m sure the outright number of ICE’s catching fire are larger than EV’s, as you say, due to there being a much larger number of ICE’s on the road AND the average age of ICE’s being that much older. However, it would be interesting to see the figures and show the figures as a ‘per ice’ & ‘per EV’ to compare the two (or 3 if you split out petrol & diesel)

[@Sp_75-76]

@@TheLDunn1Actually the statistics are based on per hundred thousand cars sold, so the fact that there are more ICE cars is irrelevant. And saying that ICE cars are older so more likely to catch fire is a pretty ludicrous statement.

[@gregderuiter583]

One of my friends is Shift Manager at JLR Halewood where Discovery’s are still assembled. He informed me that each entire car is assembled in 130 seconds. This may contribute to quality issues ?

[@niceguy391987]

First thing that comes to mind why a diesel would burst into flames would be a runaway engine. But that seems pretty unlikely in a car, that usually happens in trucks or railway engines or big machines. Another possible scenario could be the egr system.

[@modarkthemauler]

Happens in cars usually when the turbo leaks engine oil into the intake. Not a lot of naturally aspirated diesel engines being sold, almost all are turbos now.

[@greenmeaney6906]

surely the doors locking if the electrics fail is a complete safety failiure . personally I would prefer the vehichle was stolen if doors open due to flat battery than locked in for same reason.

[@imbetterthanyouis]

a rescue knife in the center console is really handy , its basically a pocket knife with a glass breaker a seat belt cutter and you can get them with a beveled nose and a set back cutting edge on the knife so you dont accidentally stab people when loosening tight clothes

[@ChrisHipkiss]

It's a crazy world said Arthur Brown. (Look it up) hehe.

[@geoffas]

Fire! I bring you fire! lol

[@heywhotsgoinon8286]

Hi tech, hi danger.

[@244col]

As a parent what a nightmare. Even though my children are grown my concern will be possible grandchildren I have in future travelling in these modern "safe" cars. Scary.

[@andybtec]

Get yourself an automatic centre punch to easily break car side windows

[@siyabonganqayana]

New Land Rover sport huh?, you must have seen how dense and scattered the cables are and a lot of flammable material, it's like it's by design to have no time to extinguish when something goes wrong

[@hamshackleton]

You-Tube forgot to tell me about this one - - - Why do these car electronic locks not fail-safe - ie UNlocked? - - - I keep a spring-loaded centre-punch in my car for just in case.

[@tonyd3927]

I thought most cars have something that will smash a car window it’s called a tyre iron just take it from where it is tucked away usually near the spare wheel and put it near the driver. Also automatic centre punches work well and take up very little room. A little more extreme if army surplus stores still exist get a wrecking axe in the car

[@waughontheworld6530]

Remove your headrest and use the steel bar on the headrest to break the glass

[@nearlypastit2385]

Geoff, About a year ago I saw yet another infuriating advert interfere with my You-Tube viewing, but it caught my attention before I could hit the 'Skip' button. The ad was by a diver gent who decided that something, easily carried, should be marketed for dealing with occupied cars that had a mishap and ended up in rivers (etc) - the car electrics being disabled by the water so occupants unable to escape ! The device being advertised in the ad. was compact, a bit like a small, round, hand-torch. Uncapping one end revealed a blade for cutting seatbelts, the other end had a spring activated spike that you pushed against window glass activating a percussive action of the spike ( I remember something similar to the latter from my engineering days - a spring activated centre-punch). Although I'm a pensioner and, in my old age, wary about my personal safety (yet still ride a motorcycle !?) I purchased a couple of these advertised devices, one for carrying in my car and one for my son's car. I didn't expect to end up in a river, but as I now have a hybrid car, and many pensioner driving mishaps seem to involve cars with auto gearboxes, thought I'd be full of regret (understatement !) if I didn't have the window breaker in my car, and I ended up under water ! Looking on-line I see many variations of window-breaker are marketted. When I made my purchase it hadn't occurred to me rescueing someone from a burning car , but such occurrences seem to be quite common these days , so glad I may be able to assist someone in such a predicerment (N.B. I don't play golf !!!).

[@davidorr6627]

Obviously the best thing to do in a modern car if you have any issues is to immediately open all of the windows, and if you need to get out of the car to check anything, leave your door open. If you have children in the back seats, open one of the back doors as well. Also, if you have to get out of your car for any reason at all, make sure you don't leave your children inside, especially toddlers in baby seats.

[@FreerunMediaService]

The thing is that because cars need to be "cheaper" the cut some costs at other parts. Tesla is doing the same with the front sensors. Cutting some costs is more and more happening to the expense of safety. Little smaller brakepads, little thinner wires of putting a little more power on a single wire and so on. The older cars not so much and yes they can catch fire. It the numbers that count these days and not the quality of the car.

[@nearlypastit2385]

Yes F/M/S, this weight/cost-saving vehicle design is creating major hazards, but hey, profit is more important than human lives (not !) ! I have a Toyota hybrid that is less than two years old - it didn't come with a jack or wheelnut brace, just one of those (bad idea) aerosol liquids and a small electric pump. (I have purchased both items now though) but also have a window breaking/seat belt cutting devices that I have in my car's centre console storeage).

[@MrDblStop]

I heard that if you're going to break a car door window the rear door windows aren't as strong as the front door windows. Can anyone confirm or debunk that?

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

With central locking you should expect it will activate and trap you and your family in the event of fire or entering water. You should invest £5 in a pocket sized window breaker ( they usually also have a seat belt slicer).

[@brutusoftroy2810]

Im guessing this is to do with either blocked DPFs or regens taking place when at slow speeds and the under bonnet temperature is causing a fire. This is a recall worthy thing surely, if only to program an engine non start into the system when the dpf is saturated. This is what happened at Luton maybe?. Can we just take a moment, before we blame the Land Rover, just think of the mentality of the mother who has left her children locked in the car unattended with the windows shut while she was shopping. If there was an engine stop light or dpf blocked light on the dash, with her mentality, how confident are we that shes not gonna ignore it and keep driving?

[@tweed532DaveH]

Not only LDR, just had a storyline tagged to me about a BMW X6 X drive that caught fire and the lack of action by BMW maindealer.. I've emailed the link to you... 👍🇬🇧

[@sparkels1000]

I think ALL cars should carry a fire extinguisher. It should be part of the MOT inspection. They are cheep enough. Mine was £13 for a 1kg.

[@Crosshatch1212]

I have had one on every m bike I've owned not just for myself and screw driver will pop any window I'm an emergency situation.

[@MrTpain1945]

My Citroen club in 1978 came with a fire extinguisher

[@llamedosr7843]

11 months old called Brian 😂

[@markstarmer3677]

Made my wife smile as well.

[@Spenny-px3mu]

The sad fact is that if that had been in America John would receive a bill for breaking the window!

[@ivorvickerman8061]

A question. Could the 12v battery be lithium ion? They are using lithium for ordinary car batteries, not just hybrid and EE's?