Land Rover's Ingenium Engine is AN ACTUAL JOKE 💩 (Part 2)

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Time stamps... 01:16 a word from an engineer 02:15 how to reject a car 02:43 the Range Rover velar is a premium product 03:10 wbac / asap 04:20 Is buying a Land Rover a form of self harm? 05:10 £18,000 loss in two years really isn’t that bad 06:46 Evoke faults evade technicians 08:39 Sell it and buy a Toyota 09:39 Glad it’s gone 10:12 The Best Four By Four by Far is broken 13:28 Always get the warranty 13:52 Fight the good finance fight 14:28 Never ask the internet for advice 17:16 opt for the boring life

[@COIcultist]

Why are the turbochargers dying? I used to turn and mill bearing housings for turbochargers, and at one point did some assembly. Admittedly, truck engine turbochargers. The things shouldn't fail unless you have an interrupted oil supply. One of the websites I've looked at after watching this suggested fuel dilution of engine oil. Jesus, how much fuel dilution can you have. Can't find out yet who builds these turbos, as all I can see are JLR marked comp covers. As we did for CATerpillar. Cant remember if we had marked comp covers for Volvo, SAAB, Renault etc. One other site suggest the turbo is inferior, but who designed and built it? You build turbos, and you know what you need to do.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@COIcultist great points

[@CarsofGlasgow]

cheers

[@lesrylett636]

The main item that causes all these problems is the key. It's only when this is turned that the faults occur.

[@sladehelicoptersgaming3148]

lol if only it had a key it might be harder to steal 😂😂

[@lesrylett636]

@@sladehelicoptersgaming3148 leave the fob in the glove compartment 🤫

[@1gerard47]

That's if it starts 😂

[@arandorapress7561]

Maybe this is JLR's solution to the theft issue.

[@mortenh.o.703]

That’s key

[@barriewilliams4526]

As a mechanic (before I retired) I worked on just Land Rovers for three years. I own a Toyota......

[@chrisstones37]

I'm a builder and have run Toyota hilux since late 90,s on my third one ....never had a breakdown in any ...so impressed with them 😊

[@1gerard47]

Hi lux unbelievable, unbreakable, easy to work on .​@chrisstones37

[@chrisstones37]

@1gerard47 I pulled over to a bloke that bought my 06 Hilux a year ago ....I asked him iff he had and failures or break downs since I swapped that one for a 15 plate ...nothing....apart from usual consumables and services ....value for money eh 🤔

[@johnwade1095]

Ayrton Senna's race engineer at Honda drove a Toyota...

[@davidgavin7280]

​@@johnwade1095 if you believe that crap you'll believe anything

[@Wee_Langside]

Classic Managing Director : I want this on the market by this date. Engineers: that's not possible. Director: that's what's going to happen. Usually the MD moves on to being CEO of the Post Office shortly after product launch.

[@tonyireland2234]

I only drive Mazda MX5`s.The biggest problem I had was 2 years ago when I discovered some bird shit on the bonnet.

[@jonshaw4344]

you need to date classier birds mate😉

[@wearetomorrowspast.5617]

Did she leave her phone number.

[@FredFox-m9v]

I own a 20 year old MX5 nb 1.8 Arctic. Runs perfectly, no rust whatsoever, never gone wrong.

[@user-rf9me7xm1w]

I hope you dumped her !

[@aerostar24]

My Mazda CX5 has not missed a beat in 6 years. Was thinking of buying an F type but not now

[@ArdillaLoco]

I work < 1/4 mile from the local Land Rover dealership. Occasionally I'll pass somebody pulling off the lot and they'll give me a smug smarmy look as they drive on, which I don't quite understand because I drive a Lexus LS460. Despite having a few years on it, it'll easily outlive every single vehicle currently on their lot.

[@nicolassales8679]

I had the same look a while ago but the guy wasn’t concentrating and a truck took the front off his shiny new Land Rover as he pulled out!

[@SomeOne_86]

You have a beautiful and high quality car. The original LS400 and the LS460 are in my opinion among the best Lexus models. The best would be the LC 500 🤩

[@MarkB-33]

You beauty. Thats the way. Proper car.

[@sm400]

Electric motor far more reliable...no egr,turbo,dual mass,injectors electronic,ad blue tanks and so on....😂😂

[@DavidAtkinson-cd3os]

I too have a Lexus, although my one is an RX series. Due to an accident, to me not the car, I am upgrading to a Motability vehicle. I have however owned the Lexus for 7 years and can add up the problems I have had in that time on the fingers of one hand. I don't count brake pads etc. as they are consumables. I get over 30 mpg on a run and normally 25-26mpg round the houses. It is now over 20 years old and still rust free.

[@colinbailey6236]

Wife has had two Evoques from new. Current is an ingenium approaching 8 years old. I've done 5k oil changes since new. I'm fairly sure thats the key. Current mileage 104k. No issues aside from a single onside door actuator.

[@lewlewis6511]

Good servicing and some mechanical sympathy goes a long way, makes you cringe when you see people revving the tits off stone cold engines and switching turbocharged engines immediately off with the turbo still glowing red. More money than sense.

[@TheRealBigDan]

I remember working at a Nissan dealer in late 90s, cars came in once a year, service, cheers see you next year, never any grief, I can't imagine working at these JLR dealers, must be awful

[@ACW9442]

That's when nissan were good. Now they all have Renault engines

[@MarkB-33]

I wish skyline prices were what they were a decade ago. Missed the boat on those 😢

[@TheRealBigDan]

@@ACW9442 the first indication was the k12 Micra, I remember people trading in their k11s and having problems with leaking washer bottles, underneath the seats airbag wiring, tailgate switches etc on their new k12s

[@_Ekaros]

@@ACW9442 My parents Qashqai just had engine issue, 4000€ for a fix and took 4 weeks... Only done like 140 000 km... Insanity...

[@kay110]

Still got my 200SX bought new in 2001 - never had any problems, and would not want any modern car as a replacement.

[@davidadams5116]

Christ you must be psychic Geoff. I have spent the last 3 days on Autotrader looking for an Evoque. After phoning several dealers I have made an appointment to test drive one tomorrow and trade in my Seat Leon fr auto. Just relaxing in the bath watching youtube when your video popped up. I now have to cancel my appointment and keep the Seat. Thanks Geoff,

[@georgegently3026]

Why were you even thinking of a jlr product? Can only be that you wanted to impress the neighbors. Don't bother whatever you do.

[@noelward8047]

The 'Ewok' is a girls car !

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Keep me posted on what you eventually buy :-)

[@Graham_Shaw]

Don't do it! Keep the Seat Leon Fr, or buy almost any other car, but not a JLR product! You will regret it!

[@0bzen22]

Just make sure it's not a Puretec / AdBlue engine.

[@2pintsofcremedementh]

Tata needs to be sued all the way back to India for not only destroying two great British brands, but also the environment, and the entire JLR executive team should be exiled to the Falklands. And to those who say "they've always been rubbish", my 1992 Discovery is halfway back from the moon and begs to differ. And my 1995 XJ6 has never had a major failure either.

[@johnathanpearson3203]

It's a perfect time for TATA motors to reengineer the Land Rover range for reliability with the TATA badge 😮.

[@declanbrady5172]

What have the Falklanders done to lumbered with JLR cretins😂😂😂

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

When I was very young and thinking about a career in mechanics I had a good introduction to it by fixing the two BL cars we had. The MG1100 was a constant money pit and the XJ6 would leak coolant from some new area anytime you dared to look under it. I must say though,,,the 4.2 engine in the Jag was nice,,, when it worked. I vividly remember replacing the four rear shocks in the Jag and had to remove the two rear silencers to get the long lower arm mount bolt out to get the shocks off the lower arms. All they had to do was put the bolt in from the front, which was what I did AFTER wrestling with those two rear silencers getting them off and back on.

[@JulianCooke-yn5lh]

We don't want them in the Falkland Islands either. Thank you.

[@douglastodd1947]

My 2litre 2007 X type no mechanical bother It WAS FROM THE ERA OF the Rattling transit , 2 year before or after were quiter , inside it was silent,, on the point of Them ( my Family) thinking my time being near up i Got rid of it as Sons & wife said they would get rid of it,, did 57 ml to a Gallon . went like stink .

[@sladehelicoptersgaming3148]

Cars peaked around the mid 2000’s been going down hill fast since then

[@MarkB-33]

Wont buy newer than 2010

[@primafacie6442]

All the emissions BS has wrecked cars. Don’t buy any car past 2013 - before automotive evolution stopped and found reverse gear.

[@elta6241]

@@MarkB-33I wouldn’t buy anything made in the last ten years and certainly wouldn’t buy anything new.

[@madanto2394]

2011 mate after e90 3 series that's when cars started going to the dogs

[@khalidacosta7133]

Mid 2000's were the WORST cars, even compared to 2024 cars. Late 90's cars were perfect. Everything you needed, nothing you didn't. Reliable, economical and affordable.

[@stephenthornett5999]

A mate of mine told me last year that he knew of a car lease company where their main customers were Landrover Jaguar owners, having to lease other cars as their Landrovers were totally unreliable and constantly breaking down! I couldn’t quite believe him at the time, but I do now…

[@Trevor_Austin]

That Victoria Beckham was one of the consultants on the design team for the Evoque tells you all you need to know.

[@red00eye]

She wasn't but keep repeating the TopGear urban myths

[@CarsofGlasgow]

@@red00eye i know it is crazy how that myth came about

[@soundseeker63]

@@red00eye I've read that she was in a couple of reputable publications so I'm guessing its true and didn't originate on TG

[@BillLaBrie]

I heard she was on the engineering team. Did stress calcs on the chassis.

[@vs6300]

​@@BillLaBrie lol

[@shaunroberts9285]

Fact check: The Evoke was not designed by Victoria Beckham. She chose trim colours for a special edition, promoted it, that's all...

[@paulnewman9275]

My old neighbours Peugeot 405 Diesel estate covered 440,000 miles - no problems at all ,just routine service parts . Then some tit in a Toyota Pious drove into the back of it ( while it was parked outside his house) and wrote it off .....

[@marcusskyfall]

🤦🏻🙄

[@highdownmartin]

I had twenty years of pug diesel estates. 305 405 406 Fantastic cars. Now daily drive a landrover. 1961 LWB with a 200 tdi engine I fitted five years ago.

[@Calvi36]

My pug 406 3.0 V6 Petrol SW had 210k on it when it was written off by a drunk driver when my car was parked outside my house, talk about gutted.

[@jumpferjoy1st]

What this sounds like is that all the Jaguar/Land Rover owners that have been shafted need to get together and start a class action through a decent legal firm.

[@briankinder9292]

The problem with the engine goes back 60 years, when we started ingnoring technical ability and concentrated on academimic ability when training engineers. Result we have complex engines that are not practical, the joys of university education.

[@oilburner225]

That’s good news, my daily drive is 64 years old so I should be ok 😊

[@simon8864]

We came to the same conclusion. (We=software engineers, production managers and test engineers)

[@carholic-sz3qv]

they could have just sticked to rely on engines from other OEM american LS or ford Coyote v8 or why not toyota or bmw.....

[@neilaldrin959]

University is indoctrination.

[@jannenreuben7398]

Wrong way round, the UK's problem was that it never properly trained its practical people to have the academic skills they needed to compete with the professional engineering class of Germany, Japan and the USA. The UK did produce some fine engineers but overall it has been completely outclassed by its competitors. The UK has always had an overall disdain for education and it has cost it dearly.

[@Imw101]

Gotta speak as I find. We've been running a 2016 diesel Evoque with Ingenium from new for eight years. Faults - new battery, new windfsreen, new wheel sensor, new door accuators. No engine problems - touch wood. Main dealer serviced. Fingers crossed.

[@RichWithTech]

Mileage?

[@bumpkinrocks]

​@@RichWithTech2000😂

[@Imw101]

@@RichWithTech 42,000

[@derekr1113]

@@RichWithTech 500 as too scared to drive it!

[@johnstonstewart9683]

My 31 year old tdi discovery is still giving good service ta very much..............wouldn't buy any of those stupid modern shi* landrovers

[@greatwhite1958]

They buy them again because it’s badge snobbery.

[@ibrstellar1080]

Landrover has always had niggles and problems but it sounds like it's trying to kill the brand out of existence.

[@spankeyfish]

It's their emissions reduction strategy. When a Landy's in bits at the dealership, it's not emitting CO2

[@ibrstellar1080]

@@spankeyfish 🤣😂🤣

[@Tel-f7w]

Some people enjoy buying crap cars because they cannot be bothered to do any research

[@RobinOsborne2312]

What you say about taking the problem car from the customer then just reselling it is not a new thing with JLR. Back in 2004 we had a brand new Jaguar XJ Sovereign 2.7 TDVi and it was a nightmare from day one. Eventually after 10 months they replaced the vehicle with a new one. The old one was on the website of another garage within the same group 3 days later at full market price. A friend of ours rang the said dealership to enquire about the vehicle and was told that the previous owner was an elderly lady who had died not long after purchasing the car, which was why it had so few miles on it. My wife is still looking good considering she has been dead 20 yrs.

[@sprograt]

A Land Rover Owner and his money are easily parted. I work as a mechanic Jaguars, Land Rover, Range Rovers are rolling piles of 5h1t, you couldn't give me one.

[@ericrawson2909]

Well I love my f Pace SVR and I loved my XJ before that. Driving Jaguars since 2001 and very happy with them.

[@sprograt]

@@ericrawson2909 It's only matter of time before catastrophic failure occurs, at work at the moment is a Range Rover SVR 2018 or 2019 I can't remember which with 41,000 on the clock and it requires a replacement engine uncle Rodney came knocking and punched a fist sized hole through the block I dread to think what it will cost for a replacement engine.

[@ericrawson2909]

@@sprograt But did he change his oil at all?

[@sprograt]

@@ericrawson2909 It had 7 receipts for services carried out at Guy Salmon which is a Land Rover franchise dealer all services from what I could see where carried out to Land Rover specifications including their recommended engine oil, brake fluid, anti freeze and transmission fluid..

[@theonlywoody2shoes]

How much of these issues are down to ridiculous service intervals? I bought a used/approved F-Pace (2.0 Diesel HSE) from Jaguar. First thing I did was send off an engine oil sample for analysis - around £40. The dealer claimed it had been serviced before I took delivery, but the oil analysis told another story, then I started getting service warnings on the dash, so it went in to my trusted local independent service centre for a full service - I sent the JLR dealership the ~£600 bill, and after a bit of back and forth they paid it in full. Since then (a year later) the car has had an engine oil and filter change after 11,000 miles. The service indicator says it had another year or 10,000 miles before this was due, but I gladly spent the ~£150 to have this done - using the JLR spec fully synthetic 0W30. Another £40 spent on an oil analysis before this change showed everything is OK, but I doubt if that would still have been the case in another year. Basic annual maintenance is an investment; maybe it’s because I’m a retired engineer, but mechanical sympathy is a two way street - consideration given is more likely to result in benefit.

[@georgegently3026]

Just change mine myself every 10k miles for about 30 quid a time, including filter

[@GeoffBuysCars]

I love your approach to this

[@lestersmyth692]

Good point, I’m changing the oil and filter every 10k on my Velar rather than the stupendous JLR recommendation of 21k. I now have 51k on the clock and the engine runs sweet as a nut …… I do keep the warranty in place though otherwise I’d not sleep at night 😊

[@chrish5794]

All I would say to all you guys is DO NOT wait for 10,000 miles, 6,000 should be the max !!

[@iandico]

​@@georgegently3026I think 0w 30 oil as recommended is too thin,and I use 5w 30 in my XE at every 5.000 miles,still low mileage as yet on 31,000 but time will tell,sounds really sweet at the moment

[@sheeeene7]

I worked at a billionairs private home. He started a very popular retail chain, but I won't mention which one as it's irrelevant. He told me that if you are rich, it's a thing to have a range Rover as one of your private vehicles. I was only there 18 months, and he was already on his second one. I lost count of how many times the first one was sat on the back of a recovery truck! 😂

[@kevinmoffatt]

My son came close to breakdown with a new XF with faults from day one. The dealer went broke soon after he bought it on finance and it spent months going to and from another dealer who just deleted the faults memory and gave it back. He had to constantly battle JLR to return it and they lied repeatedly without compunction. These stories highlight the human tragedy caused by owning this rubbish and my heart goes out to people having to find £19,000 to fix a car that no one else will want to buy. JLR make 1970's British Leyland look like a quality ikon.

[@markfox1545]

*icon.

[@paulschofield985]

I’ve got an 80 series Land Cruiser absolutely bulletproof, totally love it..

[@ian-nz-2000]

I will keep my Ford era V8 Jag and 90s V8 Discovery until one of us dies! I've never understood why people buy these over stressed oil burners, just buy a car with a proper engine...

[@BartMGRX]

Great video Geoff, but when are you going to show us the rest of that S60 you're sat in😁

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

❤😂🎉😊

[@rocketmunkey1]

If its not socialism destroying British car makers its foreign ownership (with the exception of German companies who are actually good engineers) I remember the gaffer of JCB wanted to buy Jaguar and turn it into a sports car manufacturer, hope Jaguar Land Rover ends up in the hands of a Brit who actually cares about the Brands

[@garypoulton7311]

Jaguar is dead, you can count on one hand how many years are left

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@garypoulton7311 Under its current ownership by Tata yes, especially with their ridiculous plan to stop production for 2 years and go all electric, EV's as we all know are doomed. But assuming someone like JCB's Boss buys the name, it could be turned into a rival for Aston Martin and Ferrari, Let's just hope it doesn't get sold to the Chinese to ruin like they ruined the MG name.

[@peterholland3306]

Not so sure about the quality of the Germans though. You clearly haven't owned a BMW MINI with the awful 1.6 litre engine and gearbox. My wife has one and it's far worse than my Ingenium engined Jag!

[@davidkettell1073]

Really Germans are good engineers,check out the reliability of VW'S and Mercedes ,the worst.

[@JohnEvans-zo7kk]

I have had many German cars. I now own a Honda civic and a Lexus IS both are far superior to any of these supposed prestige German brands.

[@dannydee2668]

I used to work for Honda delivering Delivering and collecting Fleet cars. They are bulletproof if serviced regularly, the only fault that ever happened on a honda was the battery on the remote had to be replaced.

[@phils4634]

The last LR I owned was a diesel Series III LWB. That machine towed a decent sized caravan all over Europe, as well as many camping trips to Scotland (lived in Portsmouth at the time). The only problem was a broken pair of reverse detent springs that were a slight pain to replace since the gearbox cover needed to be removed. You would be surprised how many "Designer Land Rovers" are bought in Australia - all owned by the "Keeping up with the Joneses set", many of which are simply used to ferry the kids to and from the Private Schools (along with the Audi / Mercedes / Tesla / BMW set). Our 17 year old Holden Rodeo (built in Thailand) has already proved its worth, and is actually a very decent, very capable 4WD diesel.

[@thomascatford2627]

That's when a land rover was still a land rover with nothing fancy or complicated

[@markbowyer9562]

All new diesel engines are suffering the same problems, it doesn't matter on manufacturers, if you want reliable buy older vehicles not new, I have a VW T5 1.9 2005 it's done 338,000 miles and in 4 years of owning and using as a camper van it's never missed a beat never left us stranded on the side of the road, and I would literally drive anywhere in it with 100% confidence

[@ianhughes7805]

I have for work (and am keeping) a 2010 Vauxhall Movano, just coming up to 200k miles. I keep it serviced and it is a pleasure to drive and excellent on fuel. No ad blue. Will hang on to it as long as I can. My wife has a 2013 Suzuki Swift, petrol. It is still as nice as the day we bought it, she is hanging on to that as well

[@GeoffBuysCars]

good simple engine that

[@ianhughes7805]

@@GeoffBuysCars Thanks Geoff

[@watto7728]

The only problem with any VW T model is the sliding door woosshhh bang on nice quiet campsites...

[@stephengeraghty3368]

so dam right 😂😂

[@bentullett6068]

Imagine what happens when they go fully electric. Knowing the recent recalls due to fires with i-paces its going to be fun. Although as Barrie mentioned on his channel most of the cars with faults tend to be owned by those who don't have the money to own and maintain JLR vehicles and he won't buy Range Rover's from certain places.

[@charlesripper2978]

I have a 66 plate XE sport. Had it since 2020 ,now has 85k mikes. Great motorway car. On cruise a* 75 get over 60 mpg. Had no issues and kept up regular services. I suppose there’s always one.

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

“Motorway miles” would seem to be the key factor here….

[@picobyte]

Please stop calling this crap an engine.

[@DebraLeighfield]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@justinw6670]

Gold 🤣

[@uneducatedromantic4049]

What a tragic end to an iconic British brand/brands. I have a 1990 5.3L V12 XJS convertible and a 2015 5L V8 XFR and although neither have ever missed a beat, when a new Jaguar pulls up next to me at some lights or in a car park …. I don’t know whether to laugh at them or reevaluate my life.

[@mikejba]

Owning a JLR product in 2024 is like owning Triggers brush from Only Fools and Horses.

[@unclebumble8971]

😂

[@escapetheratracenow9883]

We've had a 2009 Focus 1.6 Zetec from new. 95,000 miles and one new battery,timing belt kit, 8 new tyres and that's it. Still runs sweet as a nut.

[@Alexander_l322]

I go though tyres much quicker 😢 talking a set every two years

[@GeoffBuysCars]

that's a forever car from the good days

[@Jevon177]

Be careful, mine was great until I took it in for a MOT after 4 years and the whole car had rusted out in a year. It had no adviseries the year before.

[@escapetheratracenow9883]

@@Jevon177 We're in Bulgaria now. In winter everyone has cold weather tyres fitted as no salt is spread on the roads. This works really well and obviously reduces the amount of corrosion on vehicles.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

LandRover Jaguar, the price of vanity! Just so they can look down on others! Still looking down on others from the recovery truck!

[@MarkB-33]

Dont take much notice of them tbh. An old jaaag maybe.

[@leewatts8656]

I always have a giggle to myself when I pass one at the side of the road when I drive past in my trusty 400 quid mondeo

[@DaleSteel]

Issue with ingeium diesel engines is predominantly related to the DPF and allows particulates into the oil which then turns into a silicone type substance blocking oil journals. If your near Leeds Geoff all in and see us we're currently rebuilding a ingenium unit

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

Jesus christ that's horrible design flaw! That means you gotta change the oil on really short intervals with chemical flushes in between.

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

There’s the channel Barum Engines (Barnstaple Devon) who have started doing LR Ingenium fails… the sludging up on one of them due to a delayed oil change on a low use car is shocking…..

[@GeoffBuysCars]

pop me an email

[@DaleSteel]

@@GeoffBuysCars will do

[@DaleSteel]

@SoulTouchMusic93 yes. Jaguar recommend 20k but that's a pipedream. If it was my car id be doing 6k mile oil change and you might have a chance. The only other real issue is the timing chain guides fail but you usually get abit of notice before chain snaps. Byfar the worst issue is the DPF/by pass oil issue. People say oil pumps fail too but it's my personal belief the pumps fail due to the sludgey oil.

[@markrichardson5966]

Nice volvo S60 Geoff (I guessed before you siad at the end)

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Well done!

[@phenogen8125]

Many people with low back pain actually reduce it by merely driving this (golden) era of Volvo with their encapsulating and comfortable (submarine safety designation) heated seats. They economized a little in not including a masseuse. Your appreciation of it as the best car to date is an indication of spinal aging expression. The safety is still a major facet and the comfort level is superb and the sound systems are pretty much benchmark.

[@lewlewis6511]

The only reason i didn't buy my sons S60 of same year was we need estates for our dogs, it was a cracking car otherwise.

[@frankeltam8784]

Geoff, you're right to highlight the flaws in that engine and I realise you've never been a fan of JLR. Some people have had horrible and expensive experiences with little or no help. Most of the problems seem to have been timing chain/tensioner failings which weren't helped by stupid long oil intervals. The weakness in that area has sort-of been admitted with JLR upgrade (allegedly) late 2019. Indeed when I've trawled JLR Forums checking this it seems mostly

[@ridbanner1407]

My local specialist showed me the “”upgrade”” It was a slightly larger camchain idler sprocket to put a bit more preload on the chain so the tensioner had more effect. Top engineering ho ho. Specialist laughed and said they still blow up just the same.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

I'll balance this out later in the week

[@frankeltam8784]

@@ridbanner1407 I must admit I've never seen the 'upgrade' but I'm a regular nosey parker on Defender, Velar, Evoque and Jaguar Forums. All the ones I've seen are 2017-2019 Ingenium 2.0 Diesel. I don't pretend I've seen all the data and I'm certainly not defending bad design and I'd be really peed off too.

[@system11yt]

My Defender threw a suspension fault on Friday - cleared it be pulling the air suspension fuse for 5 minutes but they can't look at it until .... DECEMBER.

[@andrewnevermind4902]

That air ride is hopeless.

[@rayhall3954]

So Geof Buys Up all the decent old Volvos cornering the market so we all have to travel around in naff vehicles. Thanks Geof. Seriously though I have a18 year old Honda CRV 2.2 diesel and have looked after it myself changing all the fluids and oil, filters and brakes, etc. Brought it 6 years ago as a none runner (clutch) for 600 quid and have run it fault free ever since. My daughter has a 21 year old petrol version and has never had a major problem after 17 years ownership. So add that to your car hall of fame for reliability.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

I like those CRVs

[@69waveydavey]

I worked on them in the 80's/90's they were crap then but at least they were quick and cheap to fix. We had a lot of customers from the police HQ at Lancs. A copper came in with a brand new RR that the air suspension had given up on, they had only just come out, it went straight back to the factory. Not only did they lament the passing of the SD1 V8, when they finished with the Mk1 RR they also pined for them back. The new defender is also a joke, knock a corner off and it'll cost you an arm and a leg, the old one you just bashed it straight again.

[@John_Wood_]

Every new shape defender I see already has one of the front headlights not working...

[@dion5643]

@@John_Wood_, funny you say that, I spotted one today !!

[@alexkyle4973]

I use a 2019 corsa 1.4.....for courier work....420000 miles....sweet as a nut.....parts replaced.....throttle body, water pump.stat housing....i change the purge valve every 50k...brilliant car😅😅

[@gravemind6536]

You won't get from the new Stellanti Corsas with the 1.2 pure tech. Heck I drove a courtesy car that was the new shape Corsa and the power steering failed at 25k miles.

[@alexkyle4973]

@@gravemind6536 nah wudnt touch them now!!!..those 1.4 engines are a peach...never goes above 3000rpm..or 70 mph...

[@hunchanchoc8418]

@@alexkyle4973 How often do you change the oil?

[@alexkyle4973]

@@hunchanchoc8418 every 3 weeks or 10000...whichever is sooner....still original timing chain, clutch, gearbox...a lot of motorway mileage ....getting btwn 52 to 56 mpg...i avoid turbos or diesels!!

[@gravemind6536]

@@alexkyle4973 They're not brillitant engines to be honest fairly reliable but dull and underpowered. Doing the kind of mileage you're doing surely you'd have been better off with a Diesel? All better than Ecoboom or pureshit engines though.

[@geraldtalbot6400]

I now understand why Jaguar Land-rover make a vehicle called a discovery, it's because shortly after you buy one you discover how totally crap it is and how much it would take to put right

[@danieljwoodhouse]

Yep, your first video and a quick browse of the web luckily stopped me in my tracks of buying an LR Disco Sport with the 2L TDi engine. Still haven't found another vehicle as yet, but luckily the lease company has extended the lease on my EV till, well, whenever. They weren't rushing for it back 😂

[@ianharrison1822]

Defender 90 D250. Works perfectly. I will be changing the oil every 10,000 miles, this mitigates most of the engine issues.

[@highflowhighflow9896]

As far i know the last proper Land Rover engine is the 300TDI , its robuust one but for the rest Land Rovers have lot of troubles with leaks, vacuumpump, power steering ... They need to replace too often thats sad

[@natkingcol909]

We're a small car dealer in sunny Scotland. My old man bought a low mileage 6 year old Jag F-Pace. Full service history, excellent condition. But it had a slight knocking noise from the engine, which he was warned to look for when buying one. Anyway we had to fit a new engine. £5500 from jag plus 2 days for one of our mechanics to fit it. Great fun... Never again..

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Just take the oil pan off and slip some new bearings in it from the bottom.

[@TheJensenInterceptor]

WE GOT INGENIUM in my wifes Discovery Sport, engine was declared BAD at 40,000 miles, engine is now on 62,000 as i now do 5,000 mile oil changes, plus I watch the engine everywhere, there was a plug in side of engine, I brought a new one and fitted, I hope it is still there, not checked, but chambers in engine were being pressurised, so I check that pressure is not being built up, hope it continues, but have Warrantywise cover just in-case.

[@frasercrone3838]

The reason the Australian guy got a result is because we have consumer laws that basically say that a product should be fit for purpose buy a reasonable definition. So, you just have to demonstrate that the product should perform as it was intended for what is determined to be a reasonable life. The court cases for dud cars have generally come out in favor of the plaintiff if they have been looked after properly and not made it out of warranty or failed within a short period out of warranty. car brands are starting to take note of this now and have become more reasonable with such claims because nearly all the court findings are that vehicles should be trouble free for the period of the warranty otherwise why put that warranty period on the vehicle.

[@glidezilla]

It's a TATA.🤫

[@niflheim4213]

My 2017 Evoque with it’s 2.0D Ingenium ist still going strong with 100k. Didn’t miss a beat.

[@memylastname9972]

You can fool all of the people all of the time- once you realise the are daft enough to buy a Rangerover.

[@David-tt2mt]

INGENIUM? Riiiight, the marketing dept. In overdrive!

[@sorbabaric1]

That name for the engine makes me think of the saying “all saddle, no horse”.

[@RichieRouge206]

I recognised those door cards and headrests immediately as a Volvo P2 and the curved rear window denoted it as an S60. As a huge Volvo fan and owner of a wonderful 2005 V70, I whole heartedly relate to your enthusiasm for these wonderful cars. Being a tall chap with back issues myself, the seats are heavenly and they actually have improved my back! Great video, and studying Vehicle Engineering at college, this was ideal matter to discuss. The shit quality of engineering in cars now is beyond a joke

[@stewartboyd3128]

bought a suzuki ignis 2018, never missed a beat, 1.2l 4 cylinder work horse horse.

[@haydnd2764]

So you’ve just bought a 2006 D5 Volvo S60, think I’ll hold onto my 2017 prefacelift D5 XC60.

[@Luddite1]

I fit windscreens and we remove and reseal at least 1 Range Rover windscreen a week as they leak ……mostly at the dealers to

[@matthewwiddows6319]

You don't buy a car these days, you just use it for 3 years and hand it back, no incentive for car companies to make reliable cars anymore.

[@adogmcdizzle]

There is because residuals matter.

[@markfox1545]

Why are you claiming to speak for me? I buy my cars cash every time. As soon as I buy one I start saving for the next.

[@matthewwiddows6319]

@markfox1545 I'm not, because hopefully you will do your research and buy a solid car, but your not the majority customer that buys on pcp. If the car lasts the pcp period then that's all that matters.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

This is why I will not buy a modern car. They're stuffed full of electronic nonsense that fails, the engines are very poorly designed, and woefully unreliable, and the dealer customer service departments are utterly useless. But what I find really funny, is that the 1981 Triumph produced by British Leyland that I've daily driven for the past three and a half years has been faultlessly reliable. It hasn't gone wrong once, and is the most dependable car I've ever owned. Fed up of your Range Rover? Buy a Triumph Acclaim.

[@ghunt9146]

Which is a rebadged Honda!

[@matthewgodwin3050]

@@ghunt9146 I'm not entirely sure what point you're making, but yes, it's basically a Honda Ballade. Which is why, 43 years after it was produced, it's still reliable daily transport. I've never understood the derision from old men with beards and Triumph Stags, who think the Acclaim is somehow a lesser car because it's based on a Honda. Honda make the best cars ever.

[@ghunt9146]

@matthewgodwin3050 my point is, because it's basically a Honda, that's why it's reliable! BL slung some Triumph badges & a Lucas battery on it. About all that failed on them was the ignition amplifier. They're good cars, keep it. 👍

[@NickyB62]

Back in the 80's & 90's I was in the motor trade. Those Acclaims were a dam good car. The only real common problems were body corrosion & the valve stem seals. Oil would weep into the cylinders when the engine wasn't in use overnight producing much smoke every morning. But a very reliable car as was tre Rover 213 that replaced them.

[@GLH8]

Its not just electronics on the ingenium. The basic mechanical parts also fail. Regularly.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee, Limited 2.7CRD and after the warranty ran out, the warranty company didn't offer to extend the warranty for some reason? Perhaps because it cost them more to repair than I paid for it.

[@WH05GTH]

I didn't realise we was in the presence of Royalty 😉 keep up the good work Geoff 👏

[@philmarriner5300]

My Kia Venga 1.6 CRDI Euro 6 is worth 4k on a good day, £35 pa road tax and no add blue. 83k miles an 7.5 years on and still going strong. 4 trim level so heated seats, steering wheel, climate etc. you can keep yer ‘Status Symbol’ … mine is also owned outright.

[@warrensmith4590]

Surely someone else could be offering a conversion service to a decent Crate Engine?!

[@pogglefishii6807]

In 2009 a Honda garage changed the rear wheel bearings for free on my (then) seven year old Jazz despite it being long out of warranty (and me being the second owner) because, according to the mechanic “wheel bearings should last longer than that.” I’ve driven Hondas ever since, and that Jazz was 22 before its last owner stopped buying it tax. I don’t see any of these JLR’s reaching that age.

[@hunchanchoc8418]

Wheel bearings were a known weakness on the Jazz. but not expensive to remedy. Gearbox bearings were on the weak side too.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

you can't go wrong with a jazz!

[@pogglefishii6807]

@@hunchanchoc8418The mechanic admitted as much (about the wheel bearings) but said that Honda had recognised the issue and would replace any on Jazzes with less than 100,000 miles without charge.

[@billdoodson4232]

​@hunchanchoc8418 My wife's old Jazz had the gearbox bearings done free of charge by Honda well out of any warranty period. I asked them to put a new clutch in at the same time as the car had done 50,000 miles. They only charged for the parts. My wife is now on her second Jazz, the old one was 10 years old and had only had a new headlight bulb otherwise in that time.

[@hunchanchoc8418]

They're excellent cars, and so spacious that in reality, 90% plus of journeys don't actually need anything bigger. A sensible London Mayor would have mandated that this is the only car you're allowed to have, without applying for some 'special necessity' permit.

[@JohnDavis-ed5sg]

A pity they ditched the TD5, they only had one real weakness, oil wicking into the ECU, otherwise very robust, 30+mpg, makes a lot of noise but it's a nice noise.

[@-DC-]

Heads Crack Gutless Terrible on Fuel, You couldn't give me another TD5

[@gothicpagan.666]

Land Rover Defender 90 or 110 were the last good Land Rover. Provided it has diff. lockers fitted. For the person with the 23 Drover with loads of problems; just throw is back at them, "Not fit for purpose" is the important sentence

[@kartherdeconnor2786]

Hi Geoff, not sure if any JLR techs, or victims for that matter, are aware of the engine oil filter issue plaguing these engines for many, many years now. The relatively simple fix is as follows: 1) remove and empty engine oil filter( preferably at running temp. 2) wear sturdy chemical resistant gloves and fill the now empty oil filter with liquid Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE), as this solvent evaporates quite quickly and reduces maintenance turn time. 3) cover open end of filter and shake vigorously then drain liquid. Repeat this process 2 - 3 times till fluid runs clear. 4) sit filter upright for around 30 min. till completely dry. 5) " The Fix" : apply thin film of 15W/40 oil to the filter's rubber seal, fill the filter with the same oil and then screw in ANY Hilux engine into said filter and refit to the JLR product. FIN.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

To be fair, literally every engine type has its own "failure" facebook group. Toyota has its own. For everyone who thinks that Toyota is bulletproof - they should really go look at the rampant failures of that "venerable" v8. We've only had our P400 Ingenium for 3 months and 3000 miles but so far its been rock solid.

[@MarkB-33]

Saw a lovely mint p reg celica in black for just 2.5k...

[@mr.145]

Yes ,mate of mine had a 66 plate Avensis which he had to get rid of,many faults the main dealer couldnt fix.

[@-DC-]

​@@mr.145Mrs has a 18 Yaris Toyota have replaced both rear hubs and a door wiring loom thankfully all under the 10 year 100k warranty.

[@declanbrady5172]

JLR The next class action lawsuit. Trading standards should be investigating this.

[@Farney-gy1qo]

Buy an Evoque pre 2014. My Evoque SD4 Pure Tech 2013 so far "knock on wood" 100k, just wear and tear parts. Its been perfect. Later Ones are SH!T !! I don't wear Tracksuits I wear shorts all year. My other car is a 2001 Ford Ranger XLT with plenty of rust!

[@michaelrck]

My own Land Rover Ingenium is superb.

[@garypoulton7311]

You have just jinxed you car

[@pb5x5]

At the moment............

[@ridbanner1407]

You sound like a hezbollah operative showing off his shiny new pager .

[@jamesm90]

They're nice while they're still working........

[@michaelrck]

@@jamesm90 Sure, same as my pacemaker

[@segandy2888]

Wasn't the 2.2 engine in Land Rovers a Ford unit? Same as used in Transits before they went down the 2.0 wet belt route!?

[@gravemind6536]

Yeah it was a Ford/Peugeot derived engine I believe they collabated with each other. The 2.2 wasn't immediatly replaced with the wet belt engine the 2.0 unit initially came with a chain and then a few years later they changed the chain for a belt.

[@segandy2888]

@@gravemind6536 Yeah I knew Ford had a Peugeot collab cos my Fiesta diesel is Pug derived.. Company I worked for had a Transit fleet and from I think 2017 onwards we started having issues with engines because of the wet belt design. Many turbos and engines replaced!!

[@hunchanchoc8418]

It's a Ford motor used in a Transit of some generation and the LR Defender. In the Freelander2 and early Evoque and Discovery Sport, it's a Peugeot unit with some turbo mods by Ford.

[@seantaylor9758]

Bring back the day when it was the Rover Company. I still have, amongst my collection a series 3 109 with the 2 1/4 petrol engine. They were still agricultural vehicles!!! but still going strong today.

[@dogtails7614]

FFS stop buying these crap vanity cars because your ego needs a boost. These things are built by a company from a country where the horse and cart is their most reliable mode of transport!

[@MarkB-33]

Many of us proper petrolheads are not impressed by trinkets 😂

[@NJPurling]

And you can put the horses 'exhaust emissions' on yer vegetable patch.

[@careyroberts3924]

Where you are parked and the view behind you looks uncannily similar to a spot a couple of miles from my home here in Snowdonia. Keep up the good work & many thanks for all you do 🙂

[@garethonthetube]

Malvern Hills. He said so at the start of the video. I lived there for 20 years.

[@careyroberts3924]

@@garethonthetube I know my friend. As you say, he said so quiet clearly at the start. Regardless of where it is, it looks uncannily similar to a spot a couple of miles from my home here in Snowdonia. Have a great day 🙂

[@garethonthetube]

@@careyroberts3924 Where in Snowdonia?

[@CarbonCleanCo]

These 2.0 pay for my holiday every month 😂

[@richardstamper5630]

No more Land Rovers or Jags for me - I bought a 140k mile Santa Fe and it goes great.

[@Tel-f7w]

My 2010 Toyota Yaris is the best car i have ever owned and i have owned loads of cars Ford Vauxhall Peugeot etc

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

Coolant loss? Open deck cylinder block! They warp.

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

Subaru know a bit about that..

[@Actually-y7j]

I'd rather own a Rickshaw than a JLR Land / Strange Rover

[@bentullett6068]

Tata will probably make a Rover rickshaw.

[@phils4634]

Back in the day (1980's) the rather famous Simmonite daughters had their 4l V8 twin Janspeed turbo Strange Rover - probably one of the most powerful off-roaders out there, with an available 550hp translating to a LOT of torque.

[@ACD54]

I simply don't understand. I have a 2005 Discovery 3, and the mechanic who looks after it loves it so much he calls it his pension fund! And it doesn't even have an Ingenium engine. Which reminds me - I wonder how the car's getting along? It's been with the mechanic for three weeks this time...

[@rogerhanbury677]

Friends 2020 evoque 20kmiles , turbo failed , 4.5 k bill utter garbage

[@lewbar6442]

Here's my story I've recently joined that group. I had bought my nearly new. Jaguar XF. Within 10k miles the timing chain failed I was without the car for weeks while they diagnosed it and then repaired it. 1 and half years later the in control touch screen failed so they replaced that then a few months later a update release but they wouldn't update them over fear of bricking it they done mine anyway and then charged me 2k to replace the unit. Then the exhaust started rattling that was the cat. That cost 1200 oow. Then the alternator went ant it was recovered for that. Then at 39k miles the engine began knocking after a 3 month fight it was replaced free of charge. Then less than 6 months after this the turbo failed on a country road sucking the oil in and sending me and my pregnant fiancé hurtling down the road unable to stop it eventually managed to snap it in to neutral and it ran away untill the fire brigade put it out. I was left in the shit jaguar wouldn't touch it without me paying as there's no warranty on goodwill engines. I have a BMW now never been happier.

[@SurrealWorldNews]

Geoff, as I know for a fact, all cars that were registered 2020 onwards have been sitting around for 4 plus years due to the lockdowns...I know this due to I worked in Portbury docks where they were storing new unregistered cars. Most so called new cars are sitting around for 2 years anyway, in the docks but with the plan-demic this extended their stay 4 plus years and all car sales took years to recover. This might have something to do so called new car issues?

[@lankyboy90]

depends if it's a "stock" car or a custom order. If I was to ever order a brand new car again, I'd go for a completely custom order. I did it for my Mondeo in 2018 and it took longer to get to me, but I knew it was coming straight from the factory to me (doubly so as they had to phone me to say the colour i initially requested was no longer available and had to choose a new one from the updated colour catalogue)

[@MugatuJag]

If you are in the States, The 35t engine, 3.0 supercharged in 2013 through 2018 various models is covered under the emissions warranty. 8/80k miles federal, Pzev States 15/150k. Check your exact model, but it covers so many issues, including supercharger, timing chain, exhaust issues, spark plugs, Intake Manifold issues, intake, catalytic converter, etc. etc..

[@rafo6577]

I don't understand why people want all these new cars, they are all crap. Best cars made are from the 90's. Get yourself a late 90's car, give going over by replacing all the serviceability items, and you're good to for many years of trouble-free motoring.

[@philhawley1219]

My 1994 Discovery still goes well. I have no intention of ever buying another car.

[@willcurtis7986]

I was sat outside a pub with my in-laws not long ago and they were talking about buying a new car. There was a one year old Jaguar F-pace parked in the car park and they pointed at it and said that they were going to the JLR dealership tomorrow to look at one of those. I almost spat my pint out and instinctively blurted out, "DO NOT BUY one of them, it will blow up and require a new engine. A voice from the table next to us came across, "That's mine and trust me, he's right".

[@JulianCooke-yn5lh]

There seems to be a common theme. Buy a premium product or IP. Then f**k it up. Job done.

[@kevanchippindall-higgin1859]

No mention of head gasket failure which would see the coolant drop quite quickly but not leave any external trace. I have a Disco 2 TD5 that has done 119k miles and a Disco 1 200 Tdi on 140k miles. Mechanically, both of them are completely flawless and utterly reliable. I also have a 2016 Skoda Rapid, also on 119k miles and the same applies. I have no intention of changing any of them because they are reliable and that is all I really care about. Modern cars are now so hugely complicated that if they do go wrong, probably the most sensible thing to do is to put a match to it.

[@paulnewman9275]

Its not unique to JLR - I had a Sokda Superb , 3 dealers could not find the cause of a fault . I rejected the car on quality issues and to be fair they took it back and replaced it with a new one which was fine.

[@gravemind6536]

Dealerships don't have mechanics they have part fitters obviously useless when trying to diagnose warranty work.

[@paulnewman9275]

@@gravemind6536 Very true these days sadly (:

[@tardeliesmagic]

Where are LR made now & the engines?

[@darrenlomax1283]

Have you seen stories about the GR Yaris' piston rings with huge gaps in them causing engines to blow a piston through the block. All car companies are building seriously unreliable cars at the same time . . . . Feels like a conspiracy to me 🤔

[@grahamhaynes7658]

Toyota back the car with a 10 year warranty which covers track use,no build up of failures in UK.

[@darrenlomax1283]

@@grahamhaynes7658 thought it was a 5 year warranty? Theres a report in america of a corolla gr catching fire on the motorway and Toyota checked the on board data and decline to honour the warranty because it was doin 85mph on the motorway. They said it shouldnt have been speeding.

[@TheBlibo]

Hi JLR have a very poor reputation around the world and it's not surprising, the ingenium problem is mainly down to poor design but like some other manufacturers they insist on getting as much power out of a small engine as possible, it is very easy to turn up the wick on a diesel but you need a well designed unit if you want it to stay together and the ingenium is not well designed it was designed to be cheep and that's what you get

[@sempereadem54eadem64]

Had one in an Jaguar E pace a complete nightmare. Someone told me (who knows) they developed this engine to make money.Keep away from this rubbish.

[@sparkieRTOC]

A manufacturer who makes an engine that makes money? - who'd have thought it?

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

They're never going to make any money if nobody wants to buy them anymore. I'm sure Toyota is struggling with making money.

[@Mark-c6x7c]

​@@SoulTouchMusic93Toyota have just recalled 100000 V6 engines for block cleanliness issues...😂

[@sempereadem54eadem64]

@@sparkieRTOCwhat’s the day job a comedian

[@sempereadem54eadem64]

@@sparkieRTOC🤡