Let's Talk Predator 224cc Max Performance (Teardown and Comparison to the Predator 212cc)

[@sasquatchphil89]

Just picked up a 224 thanks for the video

[@randyhertzberg7549]

I pushed the like , you did a better job showing the differences than all the other 224 vids I've watched so far.

[@tylertaughtme]

Thank you it takes a lot of time to edit them!

[@FromTheBottomRaceing]

What about the hemi modle of 224cc predator where I find billet flywheel?

[@davessparetime83]

The pistons are different. 224 has thicker wrist pin and shorter distance to piston top. Because of longer stroke.

[@teshuvahemmet3036]

Thanks for the information 👍

[@TheWoodshedTV]

Nice! I’ve been wanting to get one of those to try it out 🤙🏼

[@plv_smok_novoo2938]

What size charging flywheel and coils dose it take

[@JVScustoms]

Great video man!! New sub. I got my 224 couple week ago when they came out and it’s still in the box. I’m waiting to see what parts to use to build it up. Good info brother

[@HappyHands.]

Anyone else concerned about the plastic cam gear???

[@Deucealive75]

Not at all. I just pulled my seven-year-old 196 apart. Its plastic cam looks great.

[@joshhawn3988]

whats the push rod length on the 224

[@SpeedBoostRC]

I removed that black emission box. Will that have any affect on the engine?

[@tylertaughtme]

Nope

[@SpeedBoostRC]

@@tylertaughtme Thanks. It was in my way when mounting the engine. So I took it off and ran the hose right to the carb.

[@NONAME-kw3pu]

EPA WILL CRY!!!!

[@dirtcoast9008]

Just spoke with techs at OMB and GO POWER…they specifically mentioned that the two cams are not interchangeable even though they are similar in many respects and that I needed to install a 212 Hemi Cam in the 224 if I wanted to keep everything else stock (with gov etc) … all I want to do is simply swap the plastic 224 cam with the metal 212 non Hemi cam. Thoughts?

[@tylertaughtme]

You are right, I think I miss-stated which 212 cam works in it. And my thoughts are just leave the plastic cam in if you are only doing a stage one. If you are doing more than a stage one I would upgrade it to a performance cam.

[@paulwilkerson5117]

Is the shaft RH or LH threaded? thanks

[@cohocarl]

Lets assume both the 212 and 224 use the same rod, piston, and the deck height is the same on both blocks, the 224 with it's 3mm greater stroke would push the piston 1.5mm further out of the deck towards the head. (if deck heights are the same on both blocks). So either H.F.'s claim of 8.5:1 compression on both engines is wrong, the deck height of the two blocks are different, connecting rods are different, or the the pistons have a different compression height. Something has to be different to adjust for the increased 3mm stroke of the crankshaft.

[@Deucealive75]

But isn't it interesting that you can use a plus 20 thou clone rod and a 550 CH piston and be very close to zero deck? I used a stock length clone rod and a 570 CH piston and was right at zero deck on my 224. Another easy engine build option would be a stock length rod with a 550 CH piston. You would be around 20 in the hole and use a .009" head gasket. It's somewhere in the 8:1 CR range with a dished piston and somewhere around a .050" head gasket.

[@daveyboy8907]

Which motor would be better for a garden tiller?? Maybe the 224 because it has more torque??

[@josephgrant9137]

Will the gx200 head fit? Or the billet side cover or billet flywheel??? Thanks Der Guy.

[@msracingcomponents6550]

Do you think the late model 212 electric kit would bolt to the 224?

[@tylertaughtme]

Probably

[@armancha23]

I just added one to my son's kart. Nice torque. I had a performance stage 2 kit on 196, but these studs may be 1/16th wider so I'll make adjustments to adapt them soon.

[@williamdillingham5781]

Those 196 cc engines have the smaller bore so they are really not the same Yes the gx200 and both of the predators have the 70 mm bore

[@Deucealive75]

The GX200 is a 196. That's why many of us call the 196's clones. 68mm bore.

[@Nick-tt7ui]

Can you put a 212 performance carburetor on a 224 does it have the same fitting?

[@tylertaughtme]

Yea they are the same.

[@jamesmikesell5458]

I wonder if a 212 hemi head would fit and raise compression

[@tylertaughtme]

Im pretty sure it will fit.

[@NONAME-kw3pu]

.009" head gasket raises compression... shaving off .065" off head raises compression. flat top piston raises compression. ...

[@Deucealive75]

Putting a hemi head on a 224 is a downgrade.

[@lerabidheavy7437]

The cams are not interchangeable, i was building a 224 and had a 212 non hemi cam lying around and the cam wouldn't fit into the block as it was bigger on the block end

[@tylertaughtme]

You are correct

[@jimbright8194]

Great information! We do go kart racing in PA and now I’m wondering if there gonna eventually switch to these motors. Some tracks up here are actually switching to the Ducar 212 offered by Dyno Cams and are not allowing the Predator 212 anymore. I wonder if there gonna stop making the Predator 212 all together and just sell the 224? 🤔

[@heathenprojects2639]

The 224 will take over because of emissions the Tillotson 212e also has emissions on them and the predator 212 has been around along time also the ducar is a great motor and reason your track is swapping is because they come with a 17k rated pvl fly wheel and won't blow up like predator ins for tracks is getting crazy

[@nicolec7290]

The 212 is 6.5 HP. The 224 is 6.7. HP .7 that’s only point 2 more hp. For 30 bucks more it’s not worth it.

[@bma4203]

What makes it. Worth the extra $45-50 ?? Stroked crank meter Block I guess ?

[@NONAME-kw3pu]

that is the question... worth it for 12 more CC's???? why didnt they just GO BIG and to 250cc with bigger bore and be done with it?

[@Backroadmuscle]

ARC made a post on Facebook telling u everything that fits the stage 1 fits

[@tylertaughtme]

Yea I said the stage one is good to go on these.

[@mikesbarn1858]

The 224 will spool up slower but deliver more power than 212. Look at formula 1 race car setups. For comparison.

[@Deucealive75]

Crankshafts are definately different. Clone rod journal and flywheel taper. Clone cam. In my opinion the way to go with these if you intent to build is a hemi flat top with a common clone billet rod then go from there.

[@tylertaughtme]

Think you are pretty spot on. I wasnt sure on the cranks but everything else was pretty easy to identify as clone compatible.

[@Deucealive75]

@@tylertaughtme Oh and I forgot. Once you pull the cam you should see where it's clearanced. So a new cam would need the same clearance. I guess block and cam clearance should be checked on any build though.

[@tylertaughtme]

@@Deucealive75 yea I noticed that when I started staging it and like you said check that on every build. Sometimes you get lucky and dont have to do much.

[@johnsmithfakename8422]

I like the idea behind the .224, I like the upgrades of the engine and I think they are worth the cost. The .224 seems like an engine that is designed to last. I am biased because I like the idea of Square to undersquare engines because they are slightly more thermally efficient and have the torque necessary for daily driving. This is my question. I know that the crankshaft is different, but is the connection rod similar between the .212 and the .224

[@Deucealive75]

The rods are similar but not identical. You can't use a Predator 212 rod on the 224 crankshaft. That's what sucks about the Pred 212. It has a unique crankshaft. The rod journal on the 224 crankshaft is a common size that has been around for three decades (Honda GX200). If the 224 had a unique crankshaft like the 212 I would have never bought one. At least they got smart with the Predator 212 Ghost engine. It doesn't have a unique crankshaft like the other 212's.

[@NONAME-kw3pu]

worth it??? HUMMMMMM???? for 12 more CCs??? doesnt seem like it? BUT now that the 212 is $160. ON SALE the 224 can be had for the same price? hummmm??? if they had the 212 for $100 still i wud just be perfectly happy with the 212 hopped up, good as any. still takes $200 worth of parts to make it SING to 6500 RPMs with 22# springs and CM .265" cam, port job, header, intake/carb/air filter. so...???? i WANT ONE... dont NEED one. got to separate NEEDS from WANTS.