Let's Test Snow Rated All Terrains versus Winter Tires

[@ktkl68]

Thanks for the vid. That’s a lot of Tony feet diff

[@RCGJR_]

I know it’s been posted a year ago but we really appreciate you doing this, even driving all the way back to your garage and switching out for your winter tires. Much love from Canada 💪♥️

[@bruceyyyyy]

I'm glad you liked it! I think I should have explained better the Baja was in the video to give a better visual representation of the difference as I knew it wasn't a fair comparison when I filmed it but we were having fun. I also hadn't seen this type of comparison done before which really surprised me.

[@adamsmiths3016]

​@@bruceyyyyythank you it's still being used today.

[@Tishers]

That was a useful comparison. I live more to the south of you (In Alabama) so it would be hard to justify snow tires for any reason but it is still good to know some of the limitations of AT's on snow and ice. While I grew up driving on snow and ice, I now live in a land where people rarely see the stuff; the biggest risk on the road is from other drivers.

[@ajr5195]

Good video! Using blizzak WS80’s on our 18 outback and have been VERY VERY impressed. Most say “oh I have awd (or 4wd) i dont need winter tires”.. not worth arguing that they also need to stop and turn in winter conditions and/or on cold surfaces. I will say the BFG at ko2 was pretty good in winter conditions for an all terrain ... but still not like an actual winter tire.

[@jeepliberty1388]

I had a '07 Subaru legacy with I guess you could say okay tires and they were less than half tread and I went everywhere in the snow. The deep snow on off-road if you know how to drive. You really don't need a winter tire for a Subaru, but for people who don't know how to drive that great. Yes, get a winter tire

[@jeepliberty1388]

Ultimately is more important than even the tire. Is the person behind the wheel of the vehicle. You can have the best tires in the world and someone who isn't the best at driving will still have a difficult time. Or you can put somebody that like me has plenty of experience on and off-road and all sorts of different vehicles. And you can give me some half bald or less tires that are just regular tires and I'll go more places and some average person that has really good tires with the same vehicle

[@RagtopRoads]

This is my 3rd season on my Xi3's and I still love them. Worth every penny!

[@drgreenthumb808]

I spent all of highschool pulling my 3 peak A/T friends out of icey ditches with my dad's truck on dedicated winter tires

[@bruceyyyyy]

I believe it.

[@NCtrailX]

Great video. Have never lived in a snow area, so always wondered if dedicated snow tires were really a benefit over an all terrain. Clearly makes a big difference!

[@johnkkkj]

I know this is 5 years late, but love seeing Subaru's in action in the snow!

[@spunkflunk]

But what aboutbdeepcsnow. It seems my wifes car with awd goes though stuff without getting stuck, while me on my lifted truck with all terain tires strugles to grt through

[@byronwhitney665]

Snow tire technology / design has improved greatly over the past decade. If you live in an area that routinely has snow and low temperatures, (below 45 degrees) dedicated snow tires are a worth while investment. I bought the General Altimax Arctic 12. About $700 for a set of 4, (225/55r/16) mounted and balanced. They perform well, worth every penny. The compounds used in snow tires is what sets them apart. They stay pliable, allowing them to maintain adequate traction. It’s also very important to maintain the proper air pressure for safety and overall tire performance and tread life. $700 may seem pricey. But a minor accident will cost you far more. And the average tow truck recovery will cost you about $100-200. And todays vehicle can be damaged quite easily when they slide off the road and into a ditch. Snow tires provide the most safety while driving in low temperatures combined with snow/ice/slush. Once you drive with dedicated snow tires during the winter season, you will always do so thereafter. I have witnessed $50-75k vehicles sitting idle because their tires have little or no traction.

[@porsche558]

I agree that snow tires are better than all seasons in the snow and ice. That said, I just put a set of Pirelli Cinturato P7 all season tires on my 2015 Outback 3.6r. I needed new tires and didn’t have the money to buy a winter and summer set. I also don’t have a second set of wheels to put snows on, so I’d have to have the tire dismounted and remounted every time. So given those 2 circumstances it made better sense for me for now to get a good set of all seasons. It so happens that those tires have a great rating in the winter (not that they are as good as winter tires but so far they seem to be doing pretty decent). What I do have going for me is a severe climate change in my region. Normally we get buried in snow (we always measured by the foot with each storm) but the last 15 plus years we haven’t gotten much snow (now we measure by the inch with each storm). Summers have been brutally hot and humid (like a rain forest). All this climate change means I don’t need snow tires and chains anymore.

[@bruceyyyyy]

Please cite any lawsuit where the plaintiff won a "the guy that hit me didn't have snow tires equipped" lawsuit.

[@LunaStarFire]

@@bruceyyyyy its only applicable in certain countries were winter tyres are mandatory by law. E.g. in the uk you can put any rubbish you want on your rims and its no ones fault in an accident when snow and ice happens

[@stephenimsong3462]

Although a second set of wheels is more expensive the cost is usually just for the set of the wheels. The second set will increase the longevity of the other set so you’ll double the life of the tires. So not as expensive as it seems

[@tomtalker2000]

I hate too be the one in saying this guys. But the Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tires are FANTASTIC in the snow. Nearly as good as a dedicated snow tire for sure.

[@blakedjameson]

They're awful compared to the bfg k02

[@moto_ronto]

What tire pressures were y’all running on the various tires? My understanding is that lower pressures can help tires gain better traction in icy or sandy terrain…

[@zmirc]

Respect! Finally a real test

[@kohort1]

I know this is real old but i wonder how all weather tires perform on terrain compared to AT. I have Crossclimate 2 on my forester and do light off road. But im considering a small 1.5" lift and maybe 1" bigger tires. Never owned AT but these CC2 seem to do ok but its not like i do anything crazy. It's more for peace of mind on a forest road, but i wonder if anyone's gotten into serious trouble in all weather on a trail.

[@milfordcivic6755]

My truck came with AT sport tires. I bought another set of rims and winter tires. Pricey, but worth it.

[@alexanderarellano1392]

good thing i found your video and i will have my set of winter tires later for my 2020 tacoma with just have all season. thanks

[@genderlessyoutubefanperson]

Excellent video. I bought a new SUV, and it comes with summer performance tires. Will I manage to drive it in the Winter? Here in mid-Missouri, we have mostly ice and not much snow. I am low on green and do not know if I will be able to save money for -1 inch down from OEM 21-inch wheels and winter or on road/all terrain tires.

[@bruceyyyyy]

If money is tight just grab something in your budget. Don't discount used tires either. I just got a set of nearly new 265/70/17 All Seasons for $75

[@slimnieves]

Awesome video! Nice job and very informative! Thank you !

[@bruceyyyyy]

Glad it could help!

[@MrRony721]

Thanks for your video 👍🏻

[@TapiocaGilroy]

Thanks for the video! Do you think the Nokian Outpost would do better than Falken all terrain in stopping distance?

[@shadeie6395]

Ok! Snow tires it is! Thanks 😊 im a new driver and I had no idea the difference a tire can make.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I'm glad this video could help out!

[@ft7039]

thanks for doing this!

[@eisiebuddaie3551]

I have ko2s on my ram and some continental winter contacts on my Subaru. Brand new I think the ko2s crush the continentals. I had it out in a foot and half of snow and several rough ice / snow events this year. I have to think over the long term that the winter tires will out perform due to wear and tear. Brand new I'd take the ko2s just about anywhere

[@Gimpzorgaming]

Dude was driving on a fucking dusting of snow in this video. He needs to do the test again on 6+ inches of snow. What a clown lol

[@666dynomax]

I’d have to agree with you. I’ve had winters and at on the same vehicle. Blizzak one year and duratrac another. The blizzak while great the first winter when new but became just another winter tire after a season of wear. For me an at is a good solution without getting in to switching tires and extra wheels. Either way this test was really fun to watch I enjoyed it and often wondered how at stack up. Not sure how new or old either set is. Looked like he winter rated at was the falken wildpeak perhaps.

[@tiwalterite]

@@666dynomax In northern Canada winters, KO2s suck. Wrangler Duratracs are slightly better, but at -20°C and beyond they're basically hockey pucks. Even cheap winter tires fare better up here than A/T tires.

[@666dynomax]

@@tiwalterite I will agree I’m from Canada also but am not going dedicated winter tire on pickup. The wow factor of winter tires wear off after they’re new Just like any tire. I run dedicated on the car All that being said if the car gets upgraded to an suv there’s no question I’ll be running 3pms rated all terrains on that too.

[@tiwalterite]

@@666dynomax to each his own. I daily a JKU and nothing short of a winter tire compares (from my experience where I live at a constant cold climate). I also don't get excited to put tires on, I just want what gets me where I need to go! :D

[@Christian.jsf1]

Awesome testing. Now we know! Thank you!

[@bruceyyyyy]

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@johng8967]

Thanks guys for doing this

[@bruceyyyyy]

Tony is still cold from standing out there!

[@TheBeatenPaths]

Good vid!! AT tires are good for driving through snow, but who actually drives through snow. Most winter driving is done on slippery roads. And they're junk for that. Stopping isn't my concern, staying on the icy road while traveling is. Again, great video guys.

[@draco4540]

all weather tires are pretty good in winter. a whole hell of a lot better than all season tires, but not quiet as good as dedicated winter tires. i have all weather tires on my front wheel drive car. the stopping power is pretty good (better than all season tires), and i can get up the hills without to much of a problem when cars with all seasons are struggling to get up the hills (if at all).

[@ThriftyGarage]

I have a set of General Grabber ATx that will be needing replaced soon. Looking for a different set that will have better tread life. I pull 7-14k trailers 90% of the time with my Silverado 2500HD. Mostly around town, occasional freeway but also on gravel and dirt roads. What would you recommend?

[@tomcray7907]

Viatti Brina

[@nutronik9]

I would have to argue that the 3 peak rating isnt meaningless when you have roads in places like Utah or Colorado that require that as a minimum rating to drive on a road in certain months. Granted snow tires will always beat all terrains. The rating is created by USTMA and RAC, but the rating only rates based on acceleration, not breaking or turning.

[@pliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

i have my doubts and now convinced !

[@johnnywood8082]

Just replaced the tires on our 2014 Outback with Michelin Premier LTX. So far a great tire.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

Do they perform well in the snow???

[@johnnywood8082]

@@mercedesbenzs600bash yes, they did. They didn’t last as long as i had hoped.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@johnnywood8082 Thanks my man,I'll probably put these back on my Sequoia plus Walmart has a 90 day money back guarantee if I don't like the performance...

[@johnnywood8082]

@@mercedesbenzs600bash nice. I now have Nitto Terra Grapplers

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@johnnywood8082 I've heard of those,hows the performance in the elements???

[@Spencers2122]

Great vid… thank you!

[@bradlybaldwin2609]

This was fun to watch and very cool

[@chrisridebike8]

Thanks for the vid. I’ve always run dedicated snow tires in the winter and just got AT3Ws and was wondering how they actually compared. Looks like I’ll be sticking to snow tires!

[@timtheyao3382]

Nice review i was about to get an AT tire but now im going for winter tires which i can buy for second hand and cheaper. Cause no one else sells AT tires second hand in my size lol thanks for this

[@michaelfletcher1224]

Useful braking comparison and shows what most people already know. However, the overall conclusion is not really accurate. It should have said that dedicated winter tires are much better than 3 peak snow rated AT tires at braking on ice. The 3 peak snow rated AT would likely have been much better that non-3 peak rated AT tires... if you had tested them. And would have also been much better than all seasons. Also, the 3 peak rating is given based on acceleration only and in specific conditions. It means more about being able to get moving than it does about stopping. Saying it "means nothing at all" is a patently false statement and claiming 3 peak is marketing only is grossly inaccurate. Clearly, dedicated winter tire are much better in light snow and ice... at braking... than 3 peak rated AT tires. You should test accelerating up a mild grade or in deep snow and you'd probably find them to be closer in performance. Still liked the video... it confirms what we all already knew, thanks.

[@byronwhitney665]

18 feet can be the difference between hitting another vehicle or stopping in time to avoid a collusion. And this experiment was done at 35 mph. Results will be even more impactful at 65-75mph.

[@sking2173]

So 88-62=18 ??

[@byronwhitney665]

@@sking2173 not sure why I wrote 18. You are correct that the math isn’t correct. But it’s still true that 18 feet may make a difference.

[@MASKOAA]

You said this was best case scenario but I would classify blacktop with thin snow and a layer of thin ice worst case scenario.

[@bruceyyyyy]

This is a good point. I was considering "less than an inch of snow" as being better than "several inches of snow"

[@MASKOAA]

@@bruceyyyyy I've read that in deeper snow the 3 peak all terrains catch up to the dedicated winter tires. POSSIBLY a new test video this winter for you to do?

[@bruceyyyyy]

@@MASKOAA Possibly. (: I just ordered an inflatable deer off Amazon for my next video. Lol

[@LunaStarFire]

@@bruceyyyyy from what I understand is that typical road use with light snow and in all general road use then a standard tyre will do better (excluding likely summer tyres in snow). The advantage of all terrain is that it doesnt get stuck in snow, it will be able to dig itself out of the snow and drive over it where on more severe snow a snow tyre can't move

[@LocoMe4u]

All-terrain are good to get you to the garage to get snow tires when temperatures drop below 5c

[@tokyorude]

Thanks for this.

[@jannowak3369]

You should use winter ATs like Cooper ATW. And compare it to dedicated snow tire. This would be interesting test

[@mechie2542]

Google User not true at all

[@Icutmetal]

Fact Checker That’s not entirely accurate; there are absolutely winter-biased all terrain tires like the ATW, as mentioned above.

[@peterscott2662]

Putting Snowflakes on AT tires, probably became popular because it's a sale advantage in places that require a "snowflake" tire in the winter like the Province of Quebec.

[@Barnabas94]

Keep it Wild and Wonderful

[@marc-andrebenoit5776]

it really depend on the brand. I drove BFG KO2 in Canadian winter and had 0 problem. Like them more than the winter tires I had. Was on an true 4x4 so maybe that has an effect. But I roll winter tires on my awd SUV and can't complaint about them.

[@RachwalMaciej]

Thx for the test. Bit tbh u compared the jest ICE tire to a ALL SEASON AT tire. I think a ICE /typucall winter AT tire would be as Hood as that winter tire.

[@bruceyyyyy]

What's an ICE Winter AT? The Wildpeak says it's rated for Severe Winter conditions. (The 3 Peak Mountain Snow Flake)

[@cuzimaluzer777]

Is the 2.5 good enough for $27k or step up to the 3.6 for $36k? You've had both I'd love to hear your personal opinion. Having a hard time deciding.

[@bruceyyyyy]

The 3.6 isn't that big of an upcharge if you're comparing apples to apples. Compare a 2.5 limited to a 3.6 limited. I really liked my 2.5 but I really like my 3.6 as well. I am not sure I would be happy going back but when I had my 2.5 I was happy with it.

[@cuzimaluzer777]

@@bruceyyyyy well, I live in Texas and the summer time heat is hell. I can get a 2.5 premium with cloth seats and be a lot happier because the leather trims lack seat cooling. Cloth seats last longer imho. And I can find 2.5 premiums for a little less than 27k, which is quite a bit cheaper. I just want to be satisfied with my decision. Did your 2.5 get much better mpg on average?

[@bruceyyyyy]

@@cuzimaluzer777 It sounds like you would be happier with the 2.5. In stock form the 2.5 got 3-5 better mpg.

[@cuzimaluzer777]

@@bruceyyyyy literally sitting at the dealership in Tyler texas buying a 2.5 premium. White with tan interior.

[@bruceyyyyy]

Send me a picture/video when you are done! Tell the dealership I said hi.

[@Couponz89]

All terrains with 3 peak are better in anything more than a light dusting in regards to not getting stuck. I wouldn't go up a mountain canyon during a winter storm on snow tires.

[@64kdawg]

Nice info! thanks for doing this

[@bruceyyyyy]

I really liked the AT3's but they are totally a 3 season tire as far as I'm concerned.

[@JamesKlafehn]

"Second set of tires" You arent clear in the video at all. I had no idea which tires you were using

[@bruceyyyyy]

First test were Wildpeak. Second was X Ice 3.

[@arthurbush8341]

Great video pal. Been waiting for a video like this for ages. Do you think the AT tyres would perform better in say a foot of snow? Or do you think the winter tyres would still out perform them? Cheers from the UK

[@bruceyyyyy]

I think the winter tires would still out do them. It's a matter of how the compound handles temperatures. But it's worth retesting if we ever have deep snow again.

[@arthurbush8341]

bruceyyyyy cheers pal 👍

[@sleddingfarmer8692]

The snow/winter tires will out perform the all terrain or all season tires in any winter conditions. No contest. My 2500hd truck has BFG k02 all terrains, that even siped myself, but civic with snows way out performs it. Right up until the snow is too deep. But tires won't help that.

[@jayminer9416]

Run it with an all season along with the other two.

[@sleddingfarmer8692]

All season tires are absolute garbage in snow compared to a dedicated snow tire.

[@MrThorgrimm]

So are your snow tires studded or just snow rated tires?

[@bruceyyyyy]

Studded tires are old tech.

[@thof8287]

I've used all terrain tires with snow peak and also used Nokian hakkapaeliittas and Blizzaks There is no comparing to a good dedicated snow tire. Nokian Hakkapaeliittas are the best snow tires I've ever used on snow and ice.

[@bruceyyyyy]

Yeah I could tell as soon as snow hit I was keeping these ATs on.

[@Jerry-me1fy]

I wonder if the Nokian rotiiva all terrain tires do the best compared to other all terrain tires in the snow

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

Yeah I heard those Nokian winter tires were really good,a dedicated winter tires is definitely the way to go..

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@Jerry-me1fy Are they suppose to be really good in the snow,I know the price is right,I gotta research these tires...

[@salmothymus]

well, all in all, those Falken AT3's haven't really disappointed.....I am not aware of any AT that would equal or outcome medium class dedicated winter tire....so, keep them changing when possible, but AT's will do OK too, just get less aggressive while driving....😉

[@andyham6094]

Falken wildpeaks are great all terrain tires. I have them of my built 4runner and they have been awesome in deep snow and I have yet to get stuck. Obviously with most tires if you slam on the brakes in the snow you will slide, especially heavier suvs and trucks. Falken wildpeaks have outperformed ko2’s and any other AT I’ve tried in heavy snow and heavy rain and has done just as well off roading on the trails as any other AT tire.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@andyham6094 I was thinking about the Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws for my 08 Sequoia Limited 5.7L 275-65-18 here in New Jersey also for the money the Yokohama Geolandar AT G015s are suppose to be really good,I don't know I'll pick one eventually...

[@Gimpzorgaming]

You say At's are no good in snow... Lol I use my at's in snow every year. Never an issue.

[@bruceyyyyy]

Not very good compared to an actual snow tire.

[@Gimpzorgaming]

@@bruceyyyyy 5:52 c'mon bro.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I stand by what I said. ATs really aren't much better in winter than an all season. Once the temperatures get cold they might as well be summer tires.

[@Gimpzorgaming]

@@bruceyyyyy bro you sound like a clown. My at3w's have literally no problems. Over a foot of snow last night and temps in the single degits. Not one issue.

[@bruceyyyyy]

That's really not all that impressive. I've driven through deeper snow than that on OEM all seasons.

[@anichols752]

So off roading winter conditions do you use the AT3s or Xice?

[@bruceyyyyy]

Not sure. That's a good question!

[@paliy241]

It's all because of Bender! False news! Jokes aside, Excellent video. Thanks. you saved me from spending $600 on All Terrains.

[@bruceyyyyy]

Glad I could help! I'll tell Bender he helped too.

[@robertomelendez3651]

Thanks I was like crazy looking for the best tires for this year and you just make it easy for me thanks ! I was really interested in the All terrain with snow flakes because it will look incredible nice on my car and they’ll say that are incredible good on snow but Noel I know ! safety first!!! Thanks again!! Make a video with the best winter tires brand in ice and snow that will be great one!!

[@frodev728]

not all AT tyres are the same. The BFG K02s perform really well in snow and ice.

[@gordonsmith6896]

Whelp looks like we’re gonna go winter + 3 season tires for our 4Runner. Thanks!

[@bruceyyyyy]

That was my choice!

[@joseduranjr4963]

How much do the vehicles weigh

[@bruceyyyyy]

Both are around 4000 lbs.

[@nycenj3974]

Cool video... 👍

[@BillyPilgrim70]

The Wildpeak AT3s are really good in snow actually. Here's a guy in Vermont driving in several FEET of snow and doing just fine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5LaY5aHfLGmhM0&ab_channel=JoeyK Stopping distance is just a small part of how a tire will perform in snow. IF you can't afford 2 sets of tires or like me live in an apartment with no garage or room to store winter tires I would recommend the wildpeak AT3W for a year round tire for sure. I love mine and I live in the Hills of West Virginia and they do great running the back country roads even in deep snow. Watch the video link I posted if you want to see how they do beyond the parking lot stopping test.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I would say driving forward is more of a test of the four wheel drive system and not so much the tire isn't it? With a good AWD system you can keep forward momentum going even with ebay all seasons. I'm in WV too. What part you from bubby?

[@BillyPilgrim70]

@@bruceyyyyy Your argument suggests you can do fine driving in snow with cheap ebay A/S tires as long as you have a good AWD/4WD system? Then tires don't matter at all for winter just buy a vehicle with a really good 4WD system and save big money on tires. Winter tires will always out perform AT tires in winter just like my Ultra High Performance summer tires on my Focus RS blow away any all season in summer, that's not a news flash, but stopping distance is just one small part of the equation. That's why Motor Trend, Car & Driver, etc, don't call a tire "Sad" just because the stopping distance isn't the best. The guy driving in Vermont (and many other videos) doing real world driving show the true capabilities of the tire. Neither tire you tested looked like it did too good in the turning test either because nobody takes turns like that at 35 mph in the winter unless they are parking lot rally drivers. Hoonigan Bruceyyyyy Block? All I can say with 100% certainty is the Falken WP AT3W has been a great tire for winter driving especially compared to the stock Geolanders that came on my 2019 Crosstrek. IF you want to run one tire year round they are about as good as it gets for driving in all conditions (except deep mud but they are not horrible) also the Continental TerrainContact A/T is also very good but the Falkens seem to do better in snow from all the reviews I've watched which is why I went with the WildPeaks. I might have to hit up the University High School parking lot tho for some fun this winter. I have two boys in Mo-Town that live with their mom. One is a senior at MHS this year. Stay safe my friend.

[@bruceyyyyy]

@@BillyPilgrim70 I think the tires are as important as the 4WD system. I think the AT3 is a good tire. I just replaced them last month. I just don't think it's comparable to a dedicated winter tire. I don't really hoonigan beyond testing in videos. I drive pretty conservatively/defensively. Lot better on the blood pressure, ya know?

[@bruceyyyyy]

@@BillyPilgrim70 Also if you're happy with your purchase that's what matters more than anything.

[@buttonsangel3074]

Yes, the 3peak mtn snow flake (3PMSF) is useless, or at best, has outlived it's usefulness. 3PMSF rating only requires 10pct better snow traction (compared to some std all season tire). 3PMSF does not require: winter compound, extra siping, or grit particles; and those are the things you want in a "dedicated winter tire".

[@bigty200307]

When do we get to see the WRX?

[@bruceyyyyy]

What WRX? O:-)

[@bigty200307]

@@bruceyyyyy the one you just bought

[@bruceyyyyy]

I have never bought or condone anyone buying a WRX.

[@bigty200307]

@@bruceyyyyy liessssss

[@sampep]

Awesome comparaison! Winter tire all the way!

[@samuelclark2434]

3 peak does mean something but an all terrain will never be as good as a winter tire.

[@bruceyyyyy]

It means it's 10 percent better traction in snow than an average all season tire from the 90's. That is the official standard.

[@666dynomax]

@@bruceyyyyy pretty low bar to achieve really. Too bad they didn’t publish how each tire performs above that benchmark. I remember my dad always running all seasons and slipping and sliding around hills here in the rwd crown Vic. Never believed in snow tires lol

[@bruceyyyyy]

Ya. I'm sure they do well enough in the snow but having driven them back to back it's a night and day difference. If you asked me if I had to drive in the snow with ATs... Or drive in the snow with snow tires and half my brakes disabled. I would still pick snow tires. Props to the folks that think their AT is good enough for them. But after having snow tires I know what works for me.

[@practicalguy973]

Every year I see full size 4x4 trucks and SUVs in the ditch on busy highways more than cars when the temps drop to under freezing. I'm sure some of them have the 3-peak snow rated tires. Should be banned marketing since it gives people confidence in the winter they should not have.

[@jerryp2433]

Good video. I'm still undecided though. I'm supposed to get Michelin X-ICE 3s installed this friday on my 4runner and I was planning on getting the Falkens for the summer. It would be cheaper to just get the Falkens and be done with it though. I currently have Nitto Terra Grapplers now and I was sliding all over the place in snow storm today. So those are a definite no-go.

[@bruceyyyyy]

If you regularly drive in snow it would be irresponsible to not run winter tires.

[@vitaminb4869]

I agree, if you have constantly snow/ice in winter, get proper winter tires. It will be worth it and if they save you from at least 1 accident, they'll pay for themselves many times over.

[@DonutsReview]

NYC 4Runner here planning on changing from Michelan LTX M/S2 to Falkin At3s soon. We rarely get snow in the city now, so the tires are just meant for snowboarding trips. Not everyone live in a house where they can store tires....so Falkins are probably best option. I've driven plenty times in the snow with my Michelins already. I think the major difference is on ice.

[@JS-qi1ou]

I just got a job in Montana and will be living and working in the Southwest area of the state in the Rockies. I was talking with my future boss about getting snow tires and he said he's never purchased them only A/T's should I take the locals word for it or spring for the Blizzaks and run a dedicated winter tire?

[@jerryp2433]

@@JS-qi1ou I have a 4runner with all terrains and kept going when I braked on a small hill...I bought winter tires after that. I only used it for one season though and I am selling them.

[@yeahbuddy92193911]

Great vid, this convinced me not to get all terrains for Vermont winters

[@montgomerybojangles8644]

Why put at3ws on a Subaru? Seems like overkill for a grocery getter.

[@bruceyyyyy]

Uhh. Check my other videos?

[@timtheyao3382]

i love subaru baja

[@chrispylemonade6139]

different cars have different braking system. It might be better if you test them with the same vehicle

[@bruceyyyyy]

I did that in this video.

[@jeremymoreside1444]

Need to test cooper discoverer at3 4s against your same winter tires

[@bruceyyyyy]

Why?

[@user-wq5ws1qs7x]

Winter snowflake on AT or all season tires only means 10% better grip then the benchmark tire uniroyal tigerpaw tire. Snow tires all the way.

[@DarkWizardPrince]

hmmm decisions decisions. I really like the look of the at3s but man.

[@NemoTheGlover]

goood vid thanks

[@kendigjl]

I'm gonna need you to come testify in court as an expert witness if you don't mind. I'm suing the 3 Peak Mountain Snowflake marketing agency for tricking me into buying $1300 worth of tires today. Just kidding - snow tires are for people who like messing with tires every 6 months. Just slow down, and have better tires than the person in front of you. If they're running all-seasons then I'm golden with 3PMS.

[@freedom_foz_6337]

Nice pit time!

[@LeemWills]

Sorry all season tire runner get hard in the snow , u need a good winter tire to go up against I bet u won't be saying that

[@bruceyyyyy]

Isn't that exactly what I said?

[@desertdan100]

You need to use the same vehicle for all test conditions.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I did bubby

[@timwilson7326]

You need to watch the full video

[@desertdan100]

@@timwilson7326 I watched the whole video twice. I used to work in a tire store and different vehicles respond better with the right tire design. To really test tires you need to swap them out on the same vehicle on the same day in the same conditions. The center of gravity changing plays a huge role in how a tire performs on different vehicles. How the car is loaded, the gas tank level, the wind profile against the vehicle from different angles you name it. I live in the Midwest and we are used to constant changing conditions and terrain types. Some tires will steer better but won't stop well. Some tires will take off and stop well but won't turn well on ice but do ok in slush. You get what I mean. Use the same vehicle and the same driver on the same day in a relatively short time and see how it goes. I live in a Rural area and when we were younger some of us guys carried a whole different set of tires with us in the back of the 4x4 for off roading, mudding or hill climbing. I used to run a 1976 short box 1/2 ton Jeep pickup with a 401 in it. It would climb hills like a mountain goat but I could not keep it in my lane on ice no matter what tires I put on it. It was happier with two wheels in the ditch. It was too light and had too much torque to the wheels no matter how you drove it. I had a factory quadratrac system in it with a front end air locker. The factory quadra trac system was twitchy. I finally broke down and put skinny bias-ply directional mud and snow tires on it and that fixed the problem. Those tires would slip and break loose on the ice and just as quick grab again. Then I could point it a direction and keep it going where I wanted. it jut took way longer to stop and you had to drive for it.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I did test the same vehicle in the same location on the same day. The only difference was the tires.

[@zzzyyyzz]

there should be much more snow that you can compare those..

[@bruceyyyyy]

That is how much snow was there that day.

[@cheeng1]

3PMSF actually is quite useful and meaningful. For cleared roads, a dedicated winter tire outperforms everything. However for uncleared roads 3PMSF tires will handily outperform blizaks and the like as those dedicated snow tires do not deep enough treads nor are big enough for real snowy roads. The best advice is talk to a knowledgeable tire shop and tell them your needs.

[@uoo22boo]

this is another video that i just watched ,, that compare winter to at ,,, and you completely leave out the deep snow compare ... you are using a winter tire with non-winter tire in a winter condition ,, but you don't do a compare in deep snow condition ,, i bet you will get a new winner that way .. my comment is not a put down , but wanted to see more ..

[@Idontwantahandle6669]

Most winter driving is done on packed snow and ice. AT3’s don’t perform to the same level as winter tires on packed snow and ice. Black ice is what sends people without winters into the ditch.

[@joshschjenken1735]

I feel a true snow test should be 8” or more on ice. My five year old could do this bud

[@torreVs]

Three words: *Tyre rubber compound*

[@bruceyyyyy]

I like your Avatar.

[@torreVs]

@@bruceyyyyy Behind 3pmsf mark there are many people giving the best. If your snow tyres, with or without 3pmsf mark, are under 4mm in depth; they aren't snow tyres because self cleaning function doesn't work. Ondo izan,

[@bruceyyyyy]

@@torreVs Both the All Terrains and Winter tire set were less than a year old.

[@torreVs]

@@bruceyyyyy Ok; have you checked tires manufacture date? Graven on tire sidewall. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4HYpGmcd5usmJo

[@bruceyyyyy]

1218 on the AT tires. So they're 10 months old. 2116 on the winter tires. They're 2.5+ years old. I was mistaken when I said the winter tires were new too.

[@path3848]

Was this outtakes from "Fargo"😂

[@bruceyyyyy]

Eh?

[@rterry2752]

100 foot tape measure is $10

[@bruceyyyyy]

Ay man can I borrow $10?

[@Bananahammock88]

That is NOT an inch.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I must have been using guy measuring.

[@Bananahammock88]

@@bruceyyyyy definitely

[@Zanderthelab]

All terrains are not tested on ice they are tested on packed snow. Your test is inaccurate. And some people can’t afford two sets of tires.

[@bruceyyyyy]

"Your objective test is inaccurate because you tested winter rated tires in winter conditions." Okay. I wish KZbin let me have a laugh react.

[@Zanderthelab]

@@bruceyyyyy you could’ve studded all terrains.

[@Zanderthelab]

@@bruceyyyyy you could’ve put chains on. Or just not drive so fast.

[@bruceyyyyy]

I wasn't testing that. I was testing All Terrains with the 3 peak mountain snow flake symbol against Winter Tires.

[@Zanderthelab]

@@bruceyyyyy all terrains are not dedicated snow tires. And they aren’t even nationally tested on ice!

[@diegovelasquez3599]

Subaru Baja ❓‼️

[@djdj-qx3hb]

2 diff cars omg

[@bruceyyyyy]

Same car, same conditions, thirty minutes apart?

[@CC-zq3ge]

@@bruceyyyyy Probably didn't finish watching the video. I thought the same thing until you went back to change out tires.

[@bruceyyyyy]

@@CC-zq3ge Good point! The wife showed up so I put her in the video.