"Level 12 Shockwave!" Star Trek Generations! Phaser Blasts!

[@daviyen]

The funny thing is I see dramatic lighting on the bridge and I know it’s Generations

[@deniseherud]

Hated it

[@ehtresih9540]

engage dramatic lighting

[@ZantherStone]

@@daviyen I can always tell by the audio. I don’t know music terms so not sure if it’s bass or timbre or like echo? Each movie tends to have a slightly different sound to it.

[@Colin_]

you can also tell as Worf is finally sitting down at Tactical.

[@NameName-ej4jt]

Not a bad... not a very good movie. But still more star trek than today

[@JakeSmith-st6vp]

'How long til the shock wave hits the observatory?' "4 minutes" 'Number One' Riker and Worf waste two monies walking to the transporter room. 😅😅😅😅

[@LoriCiani]

He should have said 4 Hollywood minutes, they never run out until the atmospheric tension is high and the imminent plot objective is barely achieved. 😄

[@jakeg3126]

@@LoriCianii wonder how long it was.

[@ZantherStone]

Damn. I feel the intensity and time crunch I felt the first time watching this in theaters. Seeing these guys on big screen was so cool

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

The opening of this movie is in my opinion the best in movie history.(The christening of Enterprise-B)

[@ZantherStone]

@ Oh yeah. What a cool way to introduce the Enterprise-B. And then linking TOS with TNG.

[@dshingle6]

I was stationed at RAF Mildenhall in East Anglia,England, and didn’t have a TV while living off base. I went into the rec center one afternoon and ST:NG was on the big screen in the movie room. This was 1987. I was hooked for life. Each episode is movie quality in every way.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@dshingle6 TNG was shot 100% on film

[@ZantherStone]

@@dshingle6 Dang, in every way huh.

[@beefgoat80]

Worf finally gets a seat

[@calumscott8737]

For all its faults, Generations was incredibly cinematic.

[@NameName-ej4jt]

Agreed

[@nerdock4747]

And there's a LOT of faults.

[@NameName-ej4jt]

@@nerdock4747 and a lot of remembrance, too

[@Jonathan-nn3rg]

When the Enterprise Warps away at the last second, was AMAZING (when I was a kid)!

[@volkerkupfer4535]

Her Last Flight for 3 decades

[@DisaStar258]

"We got a level 12 Shockwave coming in...WE GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE!"

[@beefgoat80]

@@DisaStar258 and Picard still had enough time to say "engage" 🤔🤣🤣🤣

[@safirahmed]

McDowell from Leeds and Stewart from Mirfield both in West Yorkshire in the UK.

[@MaxAbramson3]

Good writers who didn't have enough time to make this story work.

[@lucasbachmann]

Every tng film was bad. Berman and Braga to blame

[@nerdock4747]

@@lucasbachmann Finally, a person with good sense.

[@violetLizard]

​@@lucasbachmannHold up, the idea that First Contact is not a top 3 trek movie... We have differing opinions.

[@meiray]

Technically they had more time to do this than "All Good Things..." which turned out better. With even more time, sure it probably would have been improved, but all the elements they needed to include it was always going to be a mess.

[@BoneleSSWangs03]

Yall trippin. This was a good movie

[@matzpimp]

this is when they start slowly switching the uniforms

[@patrickschulz2193]

Funnily enough, they originally wanted to introduce whole new uniforms but then decided on the mix of TNG and DS9 uniforms; this didn't leave them with time to fit everyone, so Riker here is actually wearing Sisko's uniform.

[@meiray]

The Generations Playmates toys feature the original uniform redesign they were going to get. Toys had to be designed well before production got underway, during which time they abandoned the new costumes.

[@russellharrell2747]

I was definitely engaged (ahem) when watching this in the theater but when they reused the explosion of the Bird of Prey from the last film I was totally taken out and kinda coasted through the rest of the film with disbelief.

[@albertmartinez2539]

Takes a certain kind of nerd to recognize the same explosion. (Don't worry, I'm that nerd too. But it didn't mess with my disbelief.)

[@Foebane72]

So the explosion was so good they used it again and THAT spoiled the movie for you?

[@mykeprior3436]

@@Foebane72 yah it was a bad battle and scene

[@Foebane72]

@@mykeprior3436 It seems no-one likes the destruction of the Enterprise-D, like no-one likes Kirk going out like he does. Which explains why they retconned both later on, but then that was Kurtzman shitty Trek for the Enterprise.

[@guguigugu]

oh dear however did you manage

[@TimberwolfCY]

Man. I don't think enough credit goes to the sound design for this film, both music and effects. Damn.

[@raven4k998]

so what is a level 11 shock wave like almost enough to destroy everything in the entire system?🤣

[@phelimridley6727]

The Amargosa observatory destruction scene is movie Star Trek at its finest. Special Effects that still stand up 3 decades later, our familiar heroic characters rely on seamlessly on one another, Klingons !, high stakes, Dennis McCarthy's sweeping score, puzzling behaviour from the new character (Tholian Soran). Excellent

[@ZantherStone]

@@phelimridley6727 Yup. All while Picard is dealing with immense grief while managing situations.

[@phelimridley6727]

@ZantherStone Yes. He is barely able to respond adequately when it is announced: "Sir, A Klingon Bird of Prey de-cloaking off the Port bow." Picard looks distracted. "What!" I love it, I can't get enough of that scene. I don't understand the hate for that movie. It's brilliant!

[@shelboymebob]

Whoa Malcom is Al Siddig's uncle?! That so cool 😊

[@StoicLion]

And according to Alexander Siddig, Malcolm had a miserable time on the GENERATIONS set.

[@shelboymebob]

@StoicLion aw oh noooo 😅

[@harryc1971]

@@StoicLion just a pay cheque gig really nothing special about the role or the movie

[@johnm3907]

Blood uncle tho or married into family

[@patrickschulz2193]

He would have agreed to appear on DS9, too, but on two conditions: Alexander Siddig would have had to direct the episode and MacDowell would not have wanted to appear in alien make up. The latter condition made it fall through since, given this recognizable movie appearance, the producers would insist on alien make up to differentiate him from Tolian Soran.

[@paulnicholson5997]

The only thing I really didn't like about this movie was the reuse of the Bird of Prey explosion from S.T. 6 The Undiscovered Country.

[@brucejemcek6986]

Soren had a weapon that could stop the nuclear reaction in the core of stars. By destroying stars, he could alter the gravitational configuration of solar systems. By doing that, he could alter the course of the energy ribbon called the NEXUS. The Nexus had to come to you , in order for it to sweep you up into pure blissful paradise. Soren didn’t care how many worlds he killed. He would do ANYTHING to get into that Nexus.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

On the grand sheme of cosmic distances, the mass of the star remains in the system. So no, the gravitational influence remains.

[@MaxAbramson3]

​@@trazyntheinfinite9895Very little. The science behind this movie didn't make sense. I just couldn't get into this movie.

[@daleallen7634]

@brucejemcek6986 : Actually, Soren was attempting to RETURN to the Nexus, he'd already been there, but was "rescued" (along with several others), from it by the Enterprise NCC-1701-B.

[@zcorpalpha2462]

Good Movie 🍿 I didn’t feel bad for Soran ( Spelling may be off ), cause he just wanted to back with his late family, or an image of his late family ( Nexas )

[@lucarinaldichini324]

You spelled it right, mate 😊

[@Freddie1980]

I wonder if they trying to save on electricity by keeping lights off on the bridge?

[@patrickschulz2193]

The demands of cinematography forced changes to the lighting, actually.

[@meiray]

Try Picard season 3 if you want to know true darkness. This is just lovely dramatic lighting. TV lighting was largely designed for expedience. Movie lighting is designed for craft.

[@amead78]

You would think that it would take him 4 minutes just to get to the transporter room.

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Not really. There's transporter rooms right below the bridge, or they can do emergency site to site beaming.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍"Startrek Generations!".

[@RissaFirecat]

Love Star Trek The Next Generation! This was the very best Star Trek out there!

[@_Omega_Weapon]

I grew up watching it at DS9. For me it's hard to pick between the two but if forced I'll go with TNG;)

[@LoriCiani]

My eldest son got into Star Trek Voyager first before paying any attention to the rest of the genre. I was a TOS fan from way back. I’m trying to get my grandchildren into Prodigy. Any way you come to love Star Trek is a good way. We are all different and each of us has his or her favourite series or movies and that’s good. Live long and prosper.🖖🏽

[@hinoron6528]

"We have 4 whole minutes? Let's take the long way down to the transporter room, shall we?"

[@theancientsancients1769]

They should have used a tractor beam and move that whole observatory rather than risk last minute saving attempt. Well under my command of the Enterprise at least that is what would happen

[@EMTedroni]

At warp? The station would fly apart. Individual pieces might survive, if the observatory was modular and assembled in-place instead of built in-place, but there's no way to know which pieces would survive, nor if your people are in those modules since Soren's lab is shielded from scanning and transporting.

[@deniseherud]

I just wanted to see the Enterprise warp away...

[@ZantherStone]

@@deniseherud Saaaame. I remember the warp away scene was in the previews to the movie. And I think also some fast food commercials when movie was out in theaters (some cup give away but they had him saying engage from that scene)

[@JB_Hunkamunka]

This is some inpressive pan and scan work, lol

[@haines96]

If the planet is in the Goldilocks zone of the star (i.e. similar to earth) then the shock wave should take much longer, especially if they are seeing it (light). Maybe it is a smaller, less hot sun to allow the planet to be much closer, but still seems too fast. (Of course, for story and suspense reasons it needs to be that fast in the script.)

[@jcpulido80]

Helm, warp 1. Engage!

[@guguigugu]

the senior officers of the enterprise are really lucky that all bad guys in star trek also suffer from stormtrooper aim

[@gratefulguy4130]

It's crazy to look bad and see what our standards for good and bad media were back then compared to now.

[@seanrosenau2088]

Number one. Mr. Worf! Deanna WTF?

[@magnusdiridian]

anything that comes in FOURS is going to trigger picard

[@Showboat_Six]

How can you have a shockwave in the middle of space when there’s nothing in the middle of space but emptiness

[@Machistmo]

I feel like the chances of us reaching this evolutionary stage grows dim

[@Dantheman-0..1]

It’s only set a few hundred years in the future. Humans haven’t really evolved much if at all by the events of the show. In reality it could take us thousands of years before human beings ever become a truly interstellar species.

[@Shapes_Quality_Control]

You kidding? America already has instituted early Starfleet with only 50 or so years until the events of First Contact. Provided Biden stops blowing up diplomatic relations we will even skip WWIII. Seems we’re on track.

[@Machistmo]

@@Dantheman-0..1 compared to today its millions of years away it seems to me

[@Dantheman-0..1]

@@Machistmo I think perhaps you are being too pessimistic. Humans already have PADDS, Starships and talking computers. It’s only a matter of time.

[@TonyStark-wr7ob]

At least Elon is doing something unlike nasa. Still for us regular people to even think of going into space in our lifetime is slim.

[@trentmonaghan179]

Mr. Worf's eyebrows looked awfully pointy in this video. 🤔

[@bjornjoseph]

Longest 4m40s ever. Prob took 5 minutes to get to the transportation room

[@nakfoor1846]

I think Generations was a good story on paper but the biggest mistake was mixing the TOS cast in. Even without that the action is kind of flat, but like I said I think the story was a good concept.

[@volkerkupfer4535]

The Last Working day of the D for 3 decades

[@louseveryann2181]

My only criticism about this movie is the badly handled Kirk arc closing.

[@MaxAbramson3]

A good story idea with so many rushed ideas. Great stories need time and they need notes!

[@Kfp20241]

technology sure can crunch time limitations

[@kraxus03]

Notice LaForge gets his rank used but the Android is MISTER Data

[@rarewolf4913]

The observatory is apparently smaller than the Enterprise D, so why couldn’t they just use a tractor beam to pull it away at warp?

[@nebbyott]

Shockwave of what? Vacuum?

[@algilbert4095]

MR DATA NOT Lt. Commander?

[@pjmorgan]

Explain to me how the solar probe reached the star from the observatory in mere seconds, but the shockwave takes minutes, which it absolutely would do. If it were our own sun, it would take over 8 mins to reach Earth on average. Additionally, there would be absolutely no way to know the shockwave was on its way until it reached you.

[@jtenorj]

The probe may have been warp enabled. Some probes on board the Enterprise D use a modified photon torpedo casing with a warp sustainer and can keep like Warp 8 or Warp 9 for I think 36 hours(so roughly 1000-1500 times the speed of light). The shock wave is limited to the speed of light, but the Enterprise sensors are not. Pretty sure at least a portion of their sensor array is capable of operating at FTL speeds(perhaps much faster, like 10,000c or greater similar to subspace communications. Yeah, subspace sensors. I believe those are required to sweep ahead of the Ship at warp and allow the navigational deflector to make necessary adjustments while moving at FTL).

[@pjmorgan]

@ information is inherently limited to the speed of causality - or 1c and no sensor can “see” faster than this speed, no matter what kind of space it’s using. The stars light output was seen to fluctuate from the interaction with the trilithium weapon, but yet the shockwave proceeded it by at 4 minutes and 40 seconds. None of this makes any sense in Generations and is the weakest part of plot. And that’s saying a lot.

[@jtenorj]

@@pjmorgan so I used to own a physical copy of the Star Trek the Next Generation Technical Manual, but it was water damaged at one point so I no longer have it. However, more recently I've downloaded a PDF copy to my smartphone. I looked at the sections regarding both long range sensors (aligned with and directly behind the main navigational deflector dish, most of which operate Using subspace tech) and ship to ship communications which also operate at speeds far exceeding starship warp speeds(roughly 60x speed based on them current and future projected warp technology). The speed is Warp 9.9997 and while high resolution scans are limited to a 5 light year distance, medium and low resolution scans are effective out to 17 light years. At that speed and distance it takes the scan 45 minutes to get to the target and the results take 45 minutes to get back to the ship. That's a 90 minute round trip and 34 light year round trip. I was also reading about probes, and a class 9 probe is capable of sustaining warp 8(a little over 1000c) for 14 days( a little less than 1/25th of a year). So in two weeks, a probe traveling at warp 8 can cover a distance of approximately 40 light years. Warp 9 is faster at a little over 1500c(a class 9 probe can sustain this for 12 hours) but still much, much slower than most of the long range sensors suite or subspace communications(also warp 9.9997).

[@kevinhoward9593]

if there is no air in space you cant see a shockwave just saying. just like ships cant make noise going to warp.

[@kingsman8475]

How does a shock wave travel through space?

[@deerejohn7209]

Not seen here, but if they have inertial dampers why are they thrown arond by a shock wave ?

[@johnm3907]

Ypu can see that woman in background she in loads of tng episodes. Big hair.

[@mrkenmt]

It'll take 2 minutes to get to the transporter room AND beam down. Not much time for rescuing anyone, beaming back, then warping out of there.

[@kennethmalone4689]

Transporter rooms/ pads aren't necessary for beaming.

[@mrkenmt]

@kennethmalone4689 yes of course... but... When we next see Commander Riker, the Enterprise calls him saying... what? Oh something about two minutes left. And like I said - you're right about transporter rooms not being needed. Coulda shoulda woulda used that space for anything else.

[@kennethmalone4689]

@@mrkenmt the way I look at it, transporter pads are more or less a formal receiving location. There may also be more specifics built into the pads like decontamination.

[@randallgschwind3799]

Nuts

[@brucejemcek6986]

Soren. Nexus. You really have no feel for correct spelling. At all.

[@dhinton1]

this was a TNG episode stretched out to make it a film ..... JLP being distracted by his brother's/nephew's tragic death? Data picking NOW to implant that emotion chip? said chip distracting him from being able to rescue Geordi on the observatory? them using Geordi's VISOR to see inside the Enterprise-D? all stuff that would happen when you have extra time 😂😂😂

[@Reiman33]

a shockwave in what medium. I know trek technobabbles stuff away, but honestly generations was especially lazy in this department.

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Since the Trilithium device immediately breaks down all fusion within a star, I think "shockwave" is just akin to instant nova? Or supernova?

[@ti994apc]

Why is Data calling from the transporter room saying he cannot locate himself?

[@_Omega_Weapon]

That was the transporter room operator, not Data.

[@brucejemcek6986]

Destroying a sun, which is a star, would cause an immense shockwave to propagate outward from the destroyed star. The shockwave would obliterate anything as it expands.

[@_vortech_]

And would travel much faster than how it was depicted, unless that was a massive star, bigger than Stephenson 2-18.

[@ytmndman]

Actually a "shockwave", by definition, needs a medium, like air, to propagate through. An exploding star would just release a massive wave of radiation and ejected material.

[@_vortech_]

@ytmndman you're right. If they did it correctly, it should've been a massive expansion of gas and stellar debris being flung out in all directions. It would like a rapidly expanding nebula... since that's how nebulas are created.

[@jaminova_1969]

Is this the one where they kill the legendary James T. Kirk by having him fall off a rusty bridge? Nice Ph/U/Ku to fans of TOS!

[@christiangraf5474]

They need a real Captain.Get James Kirk.🖖🏻👏🏻✌️🇦🇹

[@shamusomalley4263]

Since when does Troi have the slightest clue about how powerful a stellar phenomenon is?

[@meiray]

She had to study a lot to get her Commander promotion.

[@ralphyetmore]

So much wasted talent on a crap script.

[@LippyHungstocking]

But it only goes to 11

[@ErikaHruska]

I take it that X11 flare damaged your circuitry🤔 Bummer🧲

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