LAW is S Tier!? Rip Reacts to TheMainMan's Hidden S Tier Video

LAW is S Tier!? Rip Reacts to TheMainMan's Hidden S Tier Video
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[@JinKazoomer]

Saying just sidestep duck doesn’t negate the strength of the move/character

[@Ro-fw3lc]

I was about to say,remember when this was said about azucena? Lol

[@NoOneSpecial209]

Big facts. It’s not strong just side step, duck, short hop, then korean back dash and you beat the move😂

[@charlieholmes2077]

me when my character is good but i have to downplay it

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

How the fk is he downplaying it man literally agreed with almost everything MM said rip is a law main so he didn’t disagree on something everyone didn’t know he simply corrected or stated it may change or he hv to test one more time rip repeatedly says law was good in 8 chill stop crying lol

[@tms-324]

@@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544 chill 😂😂😂😂

[@SW-zb6bf]

I wish I had that luxury. (Continues to play Asuka)

[@ricey3952]

@@SW-zb6bf I feel like I dont run into many, but man those knowledge checks get me every damn time. Hopefully yall get some good buffs soon :)

[@1991jj]

Dead ass😂

[@tms-324]

The biggest dark horse is Leo

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

Lmao 🤣 I play Leo and bro not lying do seems like ppl need to start realizing how strong she’s is 🔥

[@vergo1785]

He has 6000 safe mids with infinite range and sometimes bs evasion.

[@Kaizer_Ulysses]

Leo's been strong since they "overbuff" her in 7 lol

[@SM......]

Let my girl Leo alone we out here trying to hide her wall game

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

@@SM......lol facts tho im still eating 🥣

[@crazy911wman]

"sidestep right duck and you counter him" LOL

[@amosjohnson6348]

Lol I swear that we just had this same situation with azucena

[@crazy911wman]

@@amosjohnson6348 exactly. The amount of precision it requires to counter 2 buttons are ridiculous. Thats not how balance works

[@mihu.96]

"just sidewalk right fuzzy block 13f electric punish while I faceroll this string over and over, what's the issue?"

[@amosjohnson6348]

@@mihu.96 lol when you right, you right 🤣

[@weiwu1442]

just have insane fundamental knowledge built over years to counter the move that the guy with 20 hours spams, YEP

[@adeebh1238]

I don’t know who’s worse at downplaying Law mains or Jin mains 🤦‍♂️

[@nx47]

Jins mains are the deepest in delulu for sure lmao

[@ricey3952]

@@nx47 fr tho, I main Jin and he is incredibly strong. Not being top 5 doesn't make him weak. He is def top 10, but the S tiers dominate this game. Hopefully after some well needed nerfs to the S tiers, every character has a chance to perform fairly.

[@ToshiTado]

ask a jin main if jin's hellsweep is reactable and have fun

[@NemoRackkz]

Character downplaying in Fighting Games is weird to me never understood it in Fighterz and I still don't understand. I play Jin and I think he is very strong. I have to assume people down play their characters so they don't get nerfed. Just sounds like a terrible mindset tbh

[@ricey3952]

@@ToshiTado *cries in 20f while other Mishimas have 15* ;-; Still strong oki tho so idc, just gotta use his other great lows. Plz nerf d2, sick of bad Jins spamming it looking for CH.

[@StrikerSashi]

Actual crazy levels of downplay 😂 I’ve been watching rip since TTT2 and this is the first time I’ve heard him be like this

[@via_negativa6183]

Because you weren't around for the t6 avoiding the puddle podcasts 😂

[@MrBoomxl]

He literally said Law is a top 10 character...

[@1991jj]

Bro so scared of nerfs 😂

[@T3mptat1on]

I've never seen a law player not downplay their character. "Just ssr duck" remember when azucena players said that about wr32?

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

wtf are you talking about who downplays law bro everyone knows law is good rip repeatedly said it in this video pay attention to the video 😳🥱😒

[@Djfmi]

@@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544 he was downplaying it saying sidestep right as if everyone can do that at every level of Tekken Law is really really good in this game and he needs a Nerf look at all the options he has when he goes into heat

[@shaolinchaplin7500]

​@@DjfmiStop exaggerating DSS pressure is ass can be interrupted by jabs .... But he is strong but pretty damn honest....

[@zaidhasnain9192]

​@@Djfmi sure law should get nerfs, but using the argument that not everyone at every level can defend against a thing isn't really that great of an argument In that case victor and eddy should be nerfed into the ground because not everyone at every tekken level can defend against it, getting better at defending against these things are a part of tekken

[@shaolinchaplin7500]

​​@@DjfmiAlso u can sidestep and block as well u can literally break Law's momentum every time he is in DSS.... And even if u consider him an S-tier character then he will be the only S-tier character whom u can option select on everything he does... 😂

[@ShaunInce123]

I wouldn't go as far to say he's as broken as Main Man says. Is he a strong character? Absolutely. But the only players playing him at the highest level are Double & Malgu.

[@Velciter]

Exactly and they're character specialists that have always played him. Meanwhile known tier-whores of the scene aren't even touching him in 8. He's great but he's clearly a tier below the best in this game, yet everyone makes out like he's broken AF.

[@zer0cx110]

And he’s always been that way. I get excited when I see law in top 8 tournament play because, well, he never makes it farther than that . My honest opinion is that the tekken community just knows the law match up too well ( I main law ) so taking him all the way is just gunna b way too hard

[@fahrikaka]

1. what makes DSS so weird now is that they changed the timing of the last forward input to be later (if you still use the old input) and has fewer plus frame compared to T7 Law so the DSS move after it comes slower or make the frame advantages not so uninterruptable like before, so you either has to do just frame DSS execution everytime or make them retaliate using kicks that usually comes 12f or slower, thats where DSS auto parry comes in, to make them consious that they can't jab interrupt Law DSS during heat. its also why they make DSS cancellable through DF input, so it adds another mindgames that they cannot use high moves to interrupt the DSS and get launched by WS2 or flipkick, or do 12f mids or slower to interrupt with the risk of being hit by a DSS move. 2. Nunchucks tracks to Law left side, totally not tracks to his right. 3. SS3 DSS is super inconsistent, sometimes dss moves can be inputted after 45f, sometimes it wont. definitely a bug. and the fact that we are not used to auto DSS from it, makes it harder to get the guaranteed after CH 4. 3+4.4 is whack now, not only it's not a launcher anymore, but you can jab float before the last hit if you block the 3+4, and still a duckable last hit. the only good thing about it is that it deals 40 damage, a little bit more compared to other char 14f punisher, and also guaranteed nunchucks if its CH. but i came along with the risk with it, so maybe the bigger damage is justified? 5. Parry nerf (startup and damage nerf, and can be CH throwed), db3 nerf and no more magic 4 made him harder to use. 6. Hit Confirming 1,1,1 on CH to get the heat dash launcher is SUPER HARD, not easy. Law is super good during heat dont get me wrong, but his problem from T7 persist, his keepout tools is whack and no fast tracking move in midrange, also now he has a new problem which now his whiff punisher is not as strong anymore and definitely weaker compared to other character, he also doesnt have a far hitting launcher to punish a -15 move now.

[@thegame2834]

His problems from every Tekken game lol. Law has had the same issues for most of his existence 😂😂😂

[@fahrikaka]

@@thegame2834 Yeah, they gave him nunchucks for keepout but still not easy to get the right range to make it not punishable, they also didnt buff his df1 range which is bizarre to me.

[@jetblaksuit]

Anything TMM doesn't like is broken or op. I wish he'd use better words for things that are just strong.

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

True like saying his heat smash has infinite reach 😂 but I still get what he's trying to say just don't take it so literally with tmm.

[@jetblaksuit]

@@whydoyoukeeptalking its really irritating cuz you know new players think everything he says is gospel. Guy is smart no doubt but exaggerates so much

[@herpderp4078]

I think Kazuya has short arms so his dick jab game is bad

[@jjwrx8]

​@@jetblaksuit Tbh he just guilty of telling you as he sees it i like the fact he doesn't pretend stuff isn't over tuned id say almost every single high level tekken player is in the same camp. I'd only have an issue if he talked out his ass and didn't show you why he thinks the way he does, but he goes through the characters and shows out the key standout problem moves that's clearly too strong of options compared to most of the cast.

[@bombguy9531]

Well, Low is actully op and really easy to play too in Tekken 8. There is nothing with TMM hating or something.

[@P-Likan]

With all due respect, when you say for almost every point "yeah just step it" , this is valid for most of Dragunov's kit too. if someone delays a few frames, you still take damage. Such fast moves cannot be stepped on reaction. For heat, you listed every perks confirming how OP his heat is. For Nunchaks, they track well on both, even right side. For DSS inconsistency, mashing works well enough. I agree with you that Law is not broken( though the 10f CH launcher should go.. ) , but he is really super strong in T8, I would definitely rate him S tier next to Jin, Alisa, Lili, Nina etc... He is not God tier like Feng but not far off IMHO.

[@guyoncouch8796]

The 10F should be fine Heihachi had one in T7

[@TonguelessDanny]

Yeah when they say "just step right duck and you good lol" it is so funny, not like they can delay or use a homing mid or something. That advice might as well be "just guess better bro".

[@davistiadi]

@@TonguelessDanny Yeah, that is super dumb of him to say that, he should've known better. I've practically seen every Law matches from replay channels, and if what he said is true, then we won't be seeing even a single win from high leveled Law. Sure you can step + duck his options after DSS, but he can choose to cancel into slide step which threatens another layer of 50:50.. High level Laws like Double and Malgu does this constantly and it's what's making him scary.

[@ricey3952]

I think all 4 belong u mentioned belong in the top 10, but the true S tiers imo are the top 5 characters. Drag, Azu, and Feng are in my top 3, others can switch around between Nina, Jun, Lili, King etc. But I dont see Jin being better than these 4. He is in top 10 for sure tho.

[@gloopdwf]

it's different bc u can buffer a step into the moves that go into dss and counter the stance... ws4, 43 just buffer a step right into duck

[@President_Shin]

lol when people say “Side step bro”, like dude doesn’t have homing moves.

[@InfinityToilet]

Yeah but with that mindset you should never step any characters. Tekken 8 defense still has mind games. You’re better off stepping moves when law is in DSS till they start mixing with homing. Just yesterday I beat a mighty ruler law because he never mixed in a homing move in his DSS pressure, making it a relatively easy dub. Same with drag, I played him for fun for the past two days, and the people who actually choose to step make it significantly more difficult to implement my massive frames vs the people who choose just to hold back and only block.

[@LilPreston94]

Or like T8 will let you. All the time ive sidestepped and the camera fucked up I don’t even trust it

[@President_Shin]

@@LilPreston94 the camera hasn’t been talked about enough

[@LevelUpYourGame]

lol when people play a 3D fighter and get upset at "Side step bro"

[@President_Shin]

@@LevelUpYourGame lol, when people think you’re upset at their hilariously, vague solution on a 3d game.

[@flerphead]

I wish people would stop throwing out the term broken for anything that's strong and good in fighting games.

[@superbadisfunmy]

thought i was the only one. everything is broken apparently.

[@enrikekasijas705]

​@@superbadisfunmyOh yeah that's something that bothers me too. TMM literally says everything is broken when it does not concern Kazuya 😂 Counter throws were great introduction they said...and now everyone complains it's a broken mechanic. Btw to me broken is that too many moves are safe along with being too fast to react. That's stupid 😂

[@Andito56]

@@enrikekasijas705 noob

[@beastant12itachi8]

Didn't this man give good reasoning on why the things were broken that he said was broken witch was 2 things cmon now legit facts

[@CT-gh2vm]

​@@beastant12itachi8a broken move is a attack that breaks the game. Nothing law does is to that effect. He's just overusing the term.

[@101mrcrazyman]

I still remember the "unseeable low" law video 😂

[@sondertt2220]

The PERFECT low

[@oz_garcia]

rip needs to make a tierlist now so we can see what characters he thinks are better than law

[@jcat0908]

You can only block the nunchuck IF the law doesn’t time it right. If they time it right while grounded it’s guaranteed.

[@typhon74]

Bro when ICFC starts? want to see you play in these tournaments. Just ling came back from the tekken 6 and some other players who never left. But saw Mr nap back to tekken 8 was cool.

[@theelusivememe1772]

When he says to hold up to block the nunchucks, im assuming you hold up and as soon as your character is standing up, you hold back to block the next attack right?

[@Stompnado]

you hold up into block then you punish him, he's super punishable there, don't just hold back and do nothing

[@via_negativa6183]

If you hold up off the ground neutral block kicks in in these situations so you punish.

[@theelusivememe1772]

@via_negativa6183 so you don't actually have to hold back at all then huh. How about if you want to get up block low, do you hold down back instead of holding back then pressing down back?

[@jorgesmith2000]

Agree with Rip. I’m still playing DSS like in previous tekkens where most high level players will just SS right out of his options. I don’t use it as much as I should in T8.

[@vernondivinepurpose8041]

Law have been a challenge for me in the 3rd purple rank. But I don't sidestep enough...✊🏾🙌🏾🧘🏾‍♂️🔥🦸🏾‍♂️💜

[@johanseth3277]

As a law main, WS4 DSS is really easy right now but no one never talked about instant ws4 You can have a plethora of setting up WS4 But you need a visual cue and buffer DF enough to make law in crouching status. The thing is you still needed his ws4 pressure to have a 50/50. It can be jab interrupt and law is one of the most predictable characters sinfe every set up he does is from crouch to have a great pressure and 50/50 i could say he is A+ I can't say his S cause you'll never seen a situation from High level where the Opponent is on LOCK DOWN always from S tier characters. He's pretty buffed atm but S tier is an exaggeration.

[@Donalob]

As someone who doesn't play Law, I agree you. As you said there is other characters who just lock you down with offense - something Law doesn't do as well. RIP is wrong on the df2 though. I literally side walked either way during a match and got launched from it. It's a crazy good move.

[@johanseth3277]

@@Donalob literally that tracks a lot and thid game said SS is buffed And it's only -7 Hella safe and low-key spammable

[@Dark_Tesla]

Honestly I love how you disagree with things without shitting on TMM while being able speak on what’s actually good about Law. Might be my 2ndary now.

[@jefft5789]

Thanks for this commentary! Would you consider playing against or coaching Ninjaklla212's law?

[@BullC6]

That's the thing rip...nunchucks track to his weak side.

[@LordRaptor]

Rip with the Lei Wulong face in the thumbnail with the eyebrow raised.

[@Raspy978]

You're very good at downplaying RIP keep up the good work 👍

[@josephyoun8480]

We need a guide to show what we should/shouldn't do for Law mains who come from Tekken 7 to Tekken 8 like me.

[@devonh117]

the thing with law is that no one respects dss, they either try to mash it/powercrush or rageart and more than often it works. Even though dss is super easy to do, you still need the fundamental knowledge of all the moves to and from dss and how your opponent reacts to it.

[@FuriousGeorge_]

This whole time I thought I sucked because the jab was always beating out my dss even though the frame data says otherwise, also the timing for getting the move out is kinda odd. Glad its not just me

[@SRMessyNcosyStudio]

Ummm, any slide thats further from distance of 2 is reactable from high intermediate skill level and hella punishable. Slide is difficult to react up close but you try get in close and do crouch fdf3 see how it works out.

[@Zachary_Sweis]

2:30 same with Bryan df2,1 into backsway. It says I'm +8 on hit!!! Backsway 1 is i16 (the backsway frames before the move comes out add to it, obviously), but if I'm hitting 1 immediately after doing df2,1,b I should have 8 extra frames to work with. Even if I'm 2 frames late I should still trade with i10 moves, but it doesn't. Even if I hit 1 at the first possible frame I can always, ALWAYS be jabbed out of it, when the game (and my logical understanding of frame data) tell me I should win.

[@Ethromel]

The question is: Why did they allow Law, Nina, etc to keep weapons throughout the whole match, but only allow Leroy to use his weapon once?

[@jorgesmith2000]

Also agree DSS is harder than before from a consistency perspective

[@epictcg4424]

Yea, I have problem with me 112 punish into dragon stance and my forward 1 sometimes lose out to other moves... Same with forward 3 1 or 2 forgot the move but that supposedly gives you plus 4 if blocked but it loses to other shit at times... And yes, DSS is easier to go into but its not consistent... You still have to time it. And yes his DSS Can be SS easily but peoples never do. He still not as good as the other S tier character. But im pretty sure he will be in top 10 after the may 8 patch. But yes 8 to 10 is good placement for me too.

[@adenbrazza5128]

drag, king, feng, nina, xiaoyu, jun, lili, alisa, reina, azucena, leo and jin feel like straight up stronger characters to me, law competing for top 15 with the likes of bryan, eddy, devil jin, hwo and lee. we'll see what happens post-patch but mainman always got the kneejerk reaction vids just an easy way to push out content.

[@EclecticVisionHub86]

I smell another beef Rip vs the mainman😂😂😂

[@jon630]

Hahahah why does TMM's cab only have two buttons???

[@RedHotChiliPigno]

It is not possible to step something you can't see.

[@brassmarsh]

Wait, is TMM being hyperbolic? What a surprise 😒

[@jorgesmith2000]

UF3 is not as safe as ws1 as a mixup though. You get floated if they attack

[@Aroused_Pineapple]

It's a launcher in heat that tracks. You basically have to take the slide (which now gives reset oki) or die.

[@jorgesmith2000]

Tracks in heat??

[@via_negativa6183]

this reminds me of that time years ago on the avoiding the puddle podcast and aris asked rip what he thought was laws weakest aspect and on his reply immediately called him an asshole because most characters would kill for a move like that. Top ten anime downplayers my dude, law is obnoxious in this game. You could say just step to practically single character But that all said Tmm is annoying with constantly making out that holding up out of combos is like some sort of secret tech that no body knows about.

[@branbelmont326]

Law is insanely strong tmm isn’t wrong at all

[@havyn88]

Oh no, I have to input one extra direction to launch from a grab, my character is so trash.

[@exodia275]

Me when im in downplaying competition and my opponent is rip

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Sorry RIP, but players at green ranks playing on PS5 at 200ms are doing full 90 damage combos consistently with no problem. The execution barrier of LAW is gone when it comes to dishing out damage. LAW will be much more balanced if his nunchuks move was a lot slower and punishable.

[@Adanimo_nRg]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Law's DSS is clunky. The execution for it has become easier however the moves that are used from it are still inconsistent at times.

[@MJ-fp6lx]

I knew Law was strong when Low High beat Knee Feng at evo champion tekken 8 showcase

[@Aamir0512]

Law needs a low CH launcher, and then he will be OP.

[@tre4boyable]

Could you make a law guide?

[@DownBadDad-iz9mp]

They havent changed anything yet and your downplay vs launch grab was 'its not good because its getting patched'. Like, NO homeslice. Its getting patched BECAUSE its good.

[@JohnDoe-kq4dd]

Extra comment: DSS quote often loses also not just to jabs. This is nice extension but in no case is it guaranteed. It is not Azu level with LIB. If it was - I would have agreed...

[@mushihimesamas]

As many Laws I've been fighting I do think hes S Rank and Im only saying this because THEY NEVER STOP HITTING BUTTONS NO MATTER WHAT! They don't give a rats if you're in heat or full health. These mothers go all out on me nonstop. I can't even attack first or side step when the round starts because he's so got dang fast.

[@rook9309]

Doing Laws heat smash out of ws4 DSS is the play

[@d0gh0t]

Me: One pointed a gun at me and shot me in the chest Rip: Just side step bro

[@DreadPyke]

He already said earlier than the stomp into nunchucks is not guanranteed, but he's just doing to show max damage + it gives great oki if they do quick rise.

[@marcanthonytiquia7115]

Maybe rip doesn't know what the "masku" tech term means

[@oldmanjenkinsgaming3555]

​@marcanthonytiquia7115 yeah I was coming here to see if anyone else noticed lol. TMM knows it's not guaranteed and knows there is only one way to get out of it but if you people don't know, then it is 😅. Surprised RIP couldn't put that together that not everyone knows how to get up off the ground lol

[@enrikekasijas705]

​@@marcanthonytiquia7115yep masku tech is a terminology for those invested in TMM dictionary 😂 true

[@kylecairns2847]

It's wild how often I hear people (no hate to this guy in particular) argue that because the move in theory could be _even better_, that means the move is balanced or fair in its current state. TMM points out that the slide into nunchuck situation favours the law player because even on block, the jab float combo is scaled and causes only grey health damage. And the first thing this guys says is "but Law has no special way of healing it all back!

[@bartek4536]

Yes Rip! I preferred the old dss.

[@drhighpinger7934]

if you are arguing, ss right duck to avoid something. that move is really good because it makes defense harder.

[@Aroused_Pineapple]

ss right duck is basically a meme at this point. How was WW2 won? SSR duck. How do you avoid paying taxes? SSR duck.

[@stephenchoi2791]

Ssr duck is to avoid 10/11 of his dss mixup which is honestly not that hard. YOU CAN EVEN SSR BEFORE WS4 INTO DSS TRANSITION EVEN CONNECTS if youre still getting hit you either dont know the timing and im willing to bet you still get caught by kazuya hellsweep loop. Atleast even if you do get caught you dont get launched by ff3 from kazuya The only option that would catch this is f2 which is a jab. Thats it.

[@vegettoblue8705]

Mail man at It again

[@trashboat4731]

Good video from both guys, i dont understand why people are getting so mad on each others opinions, its just a game lol

[@zacharyalan4977]

I'm not sure, maybe it's easy to feel like someone is trying to same something about you as a person when they are just trying to make a statement about a character, but it's your main. I don't know, I guess I wouldn't say that Rip is actually mad in this video. If you disagree about an opinion, you should try to defend it, right? We definitely take things too seriously.

[@trashboat4731]

@@zacharyalan4977 absolutely, but people here seem to be taking what rip said some what personal, like take it easy. Of course every person will defend there main to the absolute. It's only natural, plus it's just a game lol.

[@ZeOnexify]

Mainman has to see this video

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

Why ?

[@via_negativa6183]

​@@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544tmm users OP and broken too often but the rips downplaying in this video is insufferable.

[@jjwrx8]

​@@via_negativa6183 Yeah no kidding when he was outraged about him saying the sweep has infinite range when it clearly may as well i was like ah yeap downplaying is real.

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

Yea ok 😂

In basics if you use law correctly hes strong but if you dont kiss your health bar goodbye. I main law so i know this. Yes he has homing moves but when in cqc its hard to those things when poking is a factor. I get bopped by pros all the time in a few groups im in and they all tell dont matter if you have homing moves to use. If ya cant hit me when i poke you to death or cant land a hit all of that goes in the trash. LITERALLY

[@patrick28357]

good insight and great video from you and mainman. People are giving you shit for downplaying but you're just voicing your opinions. You admit Law is good but also there are plenty of strong characters in this game.

[@Aroused_Pineapple]

10f ch launcher ftw in heat

[@reedm7619]

If only the Themainmanswe didn't refer to "off the ground" as Masku tech people wouldn't get so confused. Un-techable ground spikes that have guaranteed damage follow ups is what tekken refers to it as, but otg doesn't exactly fit either, but I'd rather hear, "OTG is guaranteed" than masku tech (as if he invented otg's). In this case it's not guaranteed it's a reset/mixup for a chance for more damage. It's not "fake" as a tool by no means.

[@J-Phantom0]

Law guide bro

[@jaybruh111]

As a Bryan main, I don't think Law is that nuts. He's a great character, but he's not oppressive as the pre-nerf S-tiers

[@8304u]

downplaying

[@jaybruh111]

@8304u Just sharing my opinion bruh. I have more fun fighting Law than 333 vomit Eddy.

[@jyggalag9838]

​@@jaybruh111 You having fun playing against a certain character is not really a good reason though if that is what you are implying, Eddy and Kuma are really annoying to play against but below average in tournament play. I'm not sure about eddy but his buttons don't seem amazing

[@Raspy978]

I don't think Law is a top S tier and I don't believe TMM thinks so either. I believe he thinks Law is bottom S tier

[@jaybruh111]

Yeah, what you guys are saying makes sense. I'm in flame ruler right now, and I haven't fought a Law that gave me issues like the pre-nerf S tiers did. I've fought blue rank Laws who play super solid, but I never felt like the kit was too unfair to deal with. However, I understand that my experience doesn't equate to fact. I'm not saying everyone else is wrong, but rather that my experience has been different.

[@DaPhenomAce]

For whoever said ppl don't know up is faster than back, THE GAME DOESN'T TELL YOU!!! Lmao acting like it's taught in the tutorial

[@Bee339]

As a Shaheem main im keeping quiet!

[@xaero07vsxaero69]

Yes please! Keep shining the light on Law so that we can distract the devs from nerfing the ACTUAL true dark horse

[@tkshehrozakram8027]

law db,3 is -13 on block

[@Stompnado]

unbelievable, this guy every time he gets demolished by a character in ranked he makes a youtube video in the following days to convince everyone how dumb that character is, he got demolished by a Law recently and now he makes a Law video, next he will get demolished by a Nina and he will make a "Nina is op" video and so on

[@ChickenC3]

He has been saying law (and nina btw) are s tier for a long time

[@mccollio0909]

Really enjoyed the video Rip, watched both videos today. Gives a more balanced perspective. But if you do say he's top 8 at the end of the video... Then he's right, he's s tier for sure. Would love you to put out that guide though!

[@alexj4573]

just hold up, it’s not guaranteed. cut it out. kazuya has the same thing with f4. it’s one of his only redeeming qualities.

[@RDG99]

The perfect low has returned!

[@MJ-fp6lx]

Law Lilly and Feng got away 😂😂

[@user-or4ct5ow6b]

unfortunately the next patch is already in the works...

[@alsy0055]

it's just a clear reaction of having veteran law players at top evo. i really don't like these quick change of heart take on something. shows you how little they understand the game. this is why you shouldn't really listen to these kind of people. mainman is just making money.

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

Yup 👍🏾

[@ChickenC3]

Except he was saying law was s tier way before evo

[@neutralsteak]

14f launcher tho

[@dhrupadpatowary8476]

RIP trying to downplay Law , obviously he is S tier . Evo says it all . Needs adjustments for sure in combos .

[@DarthCrodious]

The fact RIP is disagreeing with most of the video only proves that players HATE when other players say their character is anywhere remotely good💀 Like bro its OK if your character is S tier😂😂

[@librarygary1618]

I'm 2:45 in and he's not even accurately representing the frame data for the moves he's complaining about. All this proves to me is what I already knew which is TheMainMan is just kind of a jackass 😭

[@cherryboywriter6299]

I think when you make the claim that a character is S-Tier we really do need to have a discssion about their tools. S-Tier carries a pretty heafty burden of proof about why this set of tools out classes everyone else's *as opposed* to just being really good ya know. Shutdown criticism by trying to claim "cope" is productive to no one at all.

[@ZeOnexify]

Did you even listen to the misinformation Rip point out that mainman made? You think he just disagree without any basis? Lmao

[@gritsgravy3886]

False, it's the fact that people talk about characters they don't play, so they never point out any of the weaknesses... Law is strong but also extremely linear, and has a bunch of inconsistencies. Mainman literally made this exact same video saying Law was a hidden S tier in Tekken 7.... yet nobody ever wins anything with him

[@President_Shin]

Just like TMM saying Kaz is average when he’s really a downplayed S tier

[@themarcshark]

No one: Rip: IM THE BEST!!!

[@smartcurry]

Df2 definitely tracks good asf laws like whipping dat shit out like crazy

[@stephenchoi2791]

It tracks alot less than in 7. Lily can easily step it now

[@RationalMinded]

​@@stephenchoi2791 If you're arguing that the character who consistently has the best lateral movement in the series can step it now, then you're just making OP's point for them.

[@stephenchoi2791]

@@RationalMinded yes she has the best sidestep. But the wording is shes can easily ss it.. KEY WORD EASILY not capable of ss. Makes it that others capable of ss if timed correctly

[@RationalMinded]

@@stephenchoi2791 Understood, it's a fair point.

[@Section8dc]

Law is definitely really strong but mainman is exaggerating a bit, I think top 10 for sure, some nerfs would be ok

[@richardooo7884]

Watching a mainswe video is always depressing. He just crying all the time😅

[@superblack898]

I at least appreciate that you’re willing to admit that he’s around too 8, but like… how… how is too 8 not S tier?

[@bruceMooseman]

I can't wait for any top/decent players to say ' oh yeah my character is totally s tier, yep megga broken! Haha try and beat me losers!' but then u get nerfed.. 😞 this is basically why u dont listen to anyone talking about their own character.. lol i dont care who they are 😂

[@jkdman2007]

I have never seen malgu or double did ws+4 dss 3+4 at all in real matches against top korean or japanese players because it's not that easy and it's risky. Swiss dale is always on something if he can't beat that character. 😂

[@padzman91]

the downplaying XD But when TMM makes a valid point, Rip still does admit that it's good so it's fair. Edit: After rewatch, 18:27 man the "just step it" just is not doing it. 50/50 mix-up where the low tracks you for good 35dmg+oki, but sure, just "step it cause it's linear".

[@stephenchoi2791]

Why are you letting a law crouch dash in your face for the slide to track?

[@padzman91]

@@stephenchoi2791 Why are you acting like this is not an easy to enter into mix-up for Law? This crouch mix-up has been around forever, and it's effective to this day. With that attitude, you can do it for any characater. "Why are you allowing a mishima to wavedash mix-up in your face"

[@stephenchoi2791]

@@padzman91 except i don't ssl into hopkick or just 1 jab or df1 check them, exact same concept, once they realise you dont respect, change timing. the difference is that kazuya's mixup works is due to wavedash covering much more distance aswell as having Ws2 launcher that tracks to discourage ss also his mixup all have similar range once they get into that range you have to respect. Law does not. Once you know the range of Law's ws move slide is much easier to predict. I do admit slide's track is wack, but thats not just Law thats Lee and Shaheen aswell

[@doowagoflame4368]

So Law is S tier against Jack lol

[@HolyShytItsBrandon]

Not sure what issues Rips having with ws4 dss f1 I generally beat jabs or trade I never lose unless I’m slow. But I do play hitbox

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

You have to downplay your character otherwise it will get nerfed :D simple logic.

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

Man rip just basically said it’s easier but ppl still have inconsistency with it as if I wasn’t change man not downplaying law and he’s right you still only see 2 out of 10 laws doing dss correctly in online 🥱

[@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544]

@@yellowscarlightningscream8347 and I agree

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

@@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544 bro, I have played many LAW players and even at 200 ms not a single one of them ever drops their combos. I am Fujin ranked btw. I have experienced LAW and NINA players are by far the most consistent in T8 when it comes to dealing a lot of guranteed damage.

[@zer0cx110]

I’ve been using Law for years and Law is the best he’s ever been right now ( like most characters) I think his biggest buff is the numb chucks , but you know what? In tekken 7 , I always felt like he needed something like that and he finally got it. Also, Law is easier but that’s also GOOD because in tekken 7 , he was so hard to use that the majority of law players couldn’t even maximize his damage because he was simply TOO hard due to execution. Law was easy to use HARD to master so I’m glad hes easier now for new comers. Law also brings in a lot of players because he’s Bruce Lee. But there isnt anything that makes Law stand out amongst other characters though that other characters don’t have. Literally, LAW Is good but I’ve never thought he had any moves that are CHEESE. Examples: Jun’s heat special is CHEESE. It heals and has too much range. Devil Jin’s Heat special is CHEESE. KINGs whole character is CHEESE in T8. NINAS guns are CHEESE because of the chip damage. Victor is CHEESE. Just press TRIANGLE!!. Dragonuvs damage was CHEESE. Because it takes no execution and never did! Y’all want to know who the REAL dark horse is? ITS BRYAN FURY. he’s the new best character in the GAME

[@via_negativa6183]

Just duck ninas guns bro.... 😂

[@user-or4ct5ow6b]

xactly, its what been saying. most of the youtube tekken pros complain about the "top 5" but in reality, 70% of the cast are BROKEN. each have their own gimmicks and we seeing it clearly in the current tournaments. The line up of people making it in the tourneys and everyone is playing a different character. The supposedly "top 5" characters are barely even making it in top 20. If it werent for Knee or jdcr, u wouldnt even be able to tell those characters were even in the game.

[@zer0cx110]

@@user-or4ct5ow6b I agree lol. Sometimes it’s not the character that’s good, it’s the player . Sometimes professionals over state how strong certain characters are because that’s a character they feel should be “nerfed” A lot of characters have moves that are Rediculous that people don’t talk about enuff … like jacks heat special.. (fastest in the game I believe.) But everyone would rather talk about juns heat special and devil jins

[@zer0cx110]

@@via_negativa6183Man I got Nina to purple ranks 2 days ago and I did it in two days . All u have to use is Gunz. And she has a while rising gun move that’s impractical to duck . Most people just block it. Nina’s underrated . I got her to purple in less than a 100 games ( and I could’ve kept going ) She’s just not my play style

[@volktol4432]

I play Reina , Bryan and Law (and some others) but yea Bryan is so good, he shits out damage and love it but he isn’t braindead easy so it’s actually rewarding to play him imo

[@ahmki52298]

Honestly law isnt perfect but man hes so good haha

[@anismuhaj4495]

Law Is strong but not S tier, i use to pick him in Tekken but he looks ridicolous becouse in some intro he speak about hate Rich people wich make no sense, he looks so 💩💩💩 instead of making him more serious like howarang.

[@ego3162]

Rip is right.

[@princekanbatsu2301]

The thing about slide that makes him say "broken" is that the reach is obviously very high, and yes you could say that from that long range there is no mixup for law, so just block low right? But the transitions at the moment are so fast and much more accessible that you don't even recognize the law player is going for the slide at all. Yes the reach is very high, sometimes hitting even tho it looks like the move should whiff and yes it tracks both sides tremendously. Now 36 damage is not high, but as he said, the punishment you get is also not very high at all, and is all recoverable. Look at hellsweep for example. Sidewalkable easily left (except that bitch Jin which is sw right and most of the time tracks like hell) If you block it you also get a full on launch and the damage is similar, except Devil Jin obviously but you get the point. A sweep, usually is about 30+ damage and when blocked you get the launch punish. Imho his slide should be walkable at the very least more consistently. I think this would be the less impactful nerf. The remaining option would be to make the launch not float, which would hit Law much harder

[@HolyStarXL]

Typical downplaying your own character so bandai doesn't get the green light to nerf him lol nice strat

[@PAPALIKO]

RIP I don’t want to hear it, Law is TOP 3 ok end of discussion 😂

[@Spazek]

Mainman documents all of his saltiest losses by putting out 10 minute videos about how a random character is secretly cheap. I first noticed it back when he did one about Nina in Tekken 7, clearly pissed off the entire video lol

[@jon630]

Yeah dude it's like it's just fundamentally against his nature to say anything objective about the game. It's all just a big salt fest

[@abdulkarimelnaas7595]

I'll bet this was after EVO results. It was suprising seeing so many Laws at the top. That unexpectedness and need for explanation makes for a good video topic.

[@abdulkarimelnaas7595]

TMMs has actually been backpedalling too hard I would say. Now he keeps saying waifu players are the most fundamentally sound 😂 I doubt he actually believes that with their inbuilt braindead evasion and pressure. I think he got severely disturbed when he realized his favorite characters, Kaz and King, are actually strong in T8. He doesn't trus himself anymore and has overcompensated. He also changes his opinions a lot so he will probably have a new take next month.

[@Eedorian]

​@@abdulkarimelnaas7595No, he says that only about Lili players. He still thinks that Alisa, Asuka or Nina mains are braindead spammers.

[@T3mptat1on]

TMM took nina into high ranks just spamming her stupid strings without even knowing the character, he backed it up by playing her himself and showing how easy it was to overwhelm people with her

[@mez6678]

do ppl know slide is a launcher @ max range w nunchucks 😂

[@TheNonHiddenSingularity]

RIP's arguments : step it EWGF ? step it. Hellsweep ? step it. Heat smash ? step it. Rage art ? step it.