Leviathan Axe Attack Comparison God of War / God of War Ragnarok

[@CorruptedYT]

Old Kratos VS Young Kratos God of War Ragnarok / God of War 2005 Blades of Chaos / Athena kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5imkHuuqLVrfbs

[@KINGEW]

damn can i join

[@AverageEldenRingEnthusiast]

Try to find simpsons mod its not really a big one but it just changes textures to simpsons

[@femiogundipe767]

I'd say, the axe felt and sounded heavy in 2018. From recalling the axe, feeling your controller vibrate as Kratos palms it, to the heavy sound it makes when it arrives in Kratos' hand, it feels heavy. Even when it spins on its own when you hold R1, you can hear how heavy it sounds. In Ragnarok, it sounds and feels light. It doesn't feel like that heavy duty axe in 2018. I preferred the 2018 axe sounds and graphics. The ice was bright blue, distinct from the environment. The ice from the axe in Ragnarok seems to follow a warmer tone, which sometimes doesn't contrast with the environment, rather it blends in and one can seldom tell that he's deployed some ice attack.

[@Jack-rk7jc]

I thought I was crazy but this makes sense to me now. When I first started playing ragnarok I thought something felt different about the axe. It just feels like a cheap little toy, feeling the weight as you swing it around played a large part in why the axe felt so good to play with in 2018. This might seem little or an insignificant part of game design but it really does impact gameplay and how much fun it is.

[@labradog05]

I played ragnarok then went back to play 2018. I had a problem fighting enemies on 2018 cause i got use to ragnarok not blocking enemies with effects. But when i replay 2018, the view is getting blocked by too much effects

[@buddharocks492]

Agreed fully

[@angelosinski]

yall playing on ps4 right. the dualsense makes it feel perfect

[@thatsaweirdone]

Yeah, the 2018 effect had a magical frost feel to it. In Ragnarök it feels like he's simply bending the environmental ice to his will

[@rhyguy4927]

Tyr gotta be thinking this Kratos guy is the absolute weirdest right now

[@Mu9une3]

Don't forget Freya as well

[@freshaf8947]

And boy

[@MiserableVixin]

He’s like jiren, can’t break his meditation 😂

[@Vincente_Guerrero]

You mean odin

[@Mu9une3]

@@Vincente_Guerrero no, after Ragnarök you can find the real Try inside Asgard prison

[@stephencarroll9935]

I dont like how they reduced the amount of fire and ice that comes from the weapons

[@matthewnoud6938]

Same plus the axe got a lot quieter and the throws don’t look as good

[@stephencarroll9935]

@@matthewnoud6938 what went wrong its a simple copy paste 😂😂😂

[@iWillWakeYouUp]

@@matthewnoud6938 Plus the sound effects are (way) worse, some attacks lack the same impact also due to lack of camera shake. The blades are especially bad in this case. 2018 all the way.

[@matthewnoud6938]

@@iWillWakeYouUp if you watch the heavy throw in gowr kratos lower back does not even move

[@aaronconrad3254]

I agree with you 100% the sounds aren't as beefy ether that I also don't like

[@isthisayoutubechannel2277]

It feels more powerful using the axe in the gow Gowr feels more realistic but the satisfaction is reduced

[@jiren6346]

It feels unfair in some fights xd and more because the system now forces you to use runics.-.

[@notever8401]

@@jiren6346 why do you feel forced to use runics? I’m over halfway through the game on no mercy and get along just fine without them

[@supersoldierx40]

faster in ragnarok tho

[@bielzs.x]

É por conta do inverno

[@yungish8469]

@@jiren6346 They made it so that runic attacks deal less damage so that fights could be more balanced instead of spamming runic attacks. Still feels like a bad decision cuz it takes away from the hack and slash gameplay all the other games had.

[@tranvinhnhat1289]

Some of these moves are now belong to the Spear. God of War 2018 was more raw power. Ragnarok focus on utility and versatile which mean you can go crazier with different combos this time.

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

They easily could have implemented both.

[@soadmontana3310]

@@TheAbsoluteSir if there’s gonna be a third game then maybe they’ll do that

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

Ragnarok was more fast paced and have more combat options while GOW18 is more cinematic

[@vergil5644]

Why?! Stop defending this, please, please, it is clearly fucking worse.

[@TheDarkstar3601]

@@Kratos_Messi7050 gow2018 was indeed more cinematic.

[@nomorepartiezz]

the axe felt and sounded so much weightier and heavier in 2018. no idea why they changed it

[@clef9883]

I think it got weaker or something idk

[@TikaMaranga]

The recall sound is different too. It becomes more and more metallic as you upgrade the axe in GoW 2018. At the beginning it's more like a "Shhpop" and "Shhkunk" at the end giving to the axe the impression that is way heavier.

[@madeofcastiron]

for a story-related reason, i think it’s because of fimbulwinter. mimir mentioned that it makes everything weaker and can even change things’ properties and powers.

[@spongeman1512]

Kratos is getting buffer, so the axe probably a bit lighter. Another stuff happening, cause of fimbulwinter. Weapons got so nerf.

[@aidan9037]

@@madeofcastiron it’s definitely not a story design choice. It would be an embarrassing decision to make the combat feel less impactful and weighty to loosely drive home the fact that thimbulwinter is here

[@thesilentsociety3252]

Hel Touch in 2018 was like a damn flash bang, but in Ragnarok it feels weaker but the flow up is a godsend in those damn Bezerker fights

[@aNsWeRkEy02]

the effects & sound have more impact in the previous game..

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

Its like DMC5, new combat and characters but they nerfed the sfx and fx

[@AbubakarJuma254]

I thot i was the only one who noticed almost bought a diffrent sterio coz of the sound

[@ShikiRyougi05]

They are too crazy in 2018 imo

[@vergil5644]

@@ShikiRyougi05 in a game about God's and giants and magic, cool sfx is "too crazy for you" of everything about these games... thats where you draw the line... no ur coping and making an excuse for the devs so that you can pretend that ragnarok wasn't disappointing on almost every godamn level when compared to GOW 2,3, and 4.

[@jiren6346]

yes and it also applies to the kratos model in fight and his poor animations

[@benchlord3736]

Those ice particles on GoW 2018's Ivaldi's Anvil relic hits different

[@kingkaizoku85]

1:06 I really prefer ragnaröks here despite less effects. The reason is because in 2018 it literally looks like water, meanwhile in ragnarök it actually looks like ice

[@Huda88754]

The sound of impact and power is better in 2018 version though

[@kingkaizoku85]

@@Huda88754 yeah. 2018 feels like the axe is heavy. In ragnarok it literally feels like kratos is wielding a stick but the devs sprited it like an axe

[@elfrankycuz2503]

@@kingkaizoku85 lol ice can turn to water so it this case when the axe of 2018 slams it breaks ice with water

[@kingkaizoku85]

@@elfrankycuz2503 Yeah but me personally I want to bash my enemies with ice, not water

[@iWillWakeYouUp]

It looks like glacial ice, not water.

[@reapershadow1656]

They Downgrade the Axe and Blade Because there are New Mechanic in the Game, Something Called "extinguish Flame" and "Vaporize Frost" When Enemy got Burn /Frezee Inflicted.

[@Cyrex-th1wv]

The aura of the axe in gow 2018 felt like a destructive weapon now in gowr it feels like a joke

[@diegolaverdadnose3509]

Kinda, i Dont feel how The Axe Is an upgraded Mjolnir tbh, i just Dont see it

[@tratamarack441]

Effects and moves feels like improvement because you aren't blinded by the frost particle effect anymore, but the sound effect change make the axe feels really light and weak. The same problem with blade of chaos, there is no "OOMPH!!!" behind this supposedly heavy attacks.

[@misere390]

"Blinded the frost particle effect" ...Seriously?

[@Nick_MG]

​@@misere390 yep

[@nomicnevermic]

0:16 kinda sad that this isn't here now

[@Poyo-w1o]

@@nomicnevermic fr

[@Bladwave]

@@nomicnevermic So true, best axe attack by far

[@catdix_shorts9596]

i think it's worth mentioning that the Returning Whirlwind no longer is activated with L2-R1, and is now activated with L1(shield)-R1, along with Returning Storm. IMO this is a horrible decision since now you can accidentally fire off runics when doing fast combos with Rw or Rs. If they moved the input to L1 because they wanted to replace it with something else id get it. But it just seems like needless change that's just another backstep from 2018. i defiantly wouldn't say they work the exact same.

[@CorruptedYT]

Yeah! I found myself using runic attacks by accident

[@drjcup3228]

Totally agree with you. I found it to be the most annoying change. Like you said, it was unnecessary and punishes our muscle memory from the previous game, and just makes accidental runic attack activation.

[@7hepenguinMan]

@@drjcup3228 why did they even change lol

[@Mikegivesnofucks]

Fr that pissed me off so bad

[@prons_gaming5083]

Also, returning storm is the same mechanically, but returning whirlwind has a second followup if you press R1 again. So it's not the same, it's improved in that way

[@StaggerjAGGER]

If Fimbulwinter really drains all magic, then why are concentrated pockets of magic running around as Wraiths and Elementals trying to kill us? Just something I felt was weird

[@eaglefangkaratedojo7473]

The magic is draining out of everywhere and manifests as these things. Freya talks about how the magic leaking from the gods (same reason Kratos’ weapons decay) has to go somewhere.

[@sentientmustache8360]

Because those wraiths are the magic that was drained out of everything else

[@StaggerjAGGER]

@@eaglefangkaratedojo7473 Thanks. I platinum the game a few weeks ago but I think we all know theres no way in hell I remembered every detail or convo. WE NEED THAT NEW GAME PLUS BROTHER

[@legendlalo]

They are where the drained magic goes to, they’re essentially created to protect the realms from fimbulwinter iirc based on a convo in the game

[@TheDarkstar3601]

Because the devs want more enemies.

[@dominiclam4772]

All the effects for both the Axe and Blades seems heavier in 2018 yeah, they are more swift now, kinda indicating that Kratos has mastered them and oh, Fimbulwinter drains magic lol

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

That's just an excuse for the watering down of the strength and power that Kratos displayed in the GoW2018. I feel faster in the sequal for sure, but at times I really do feel like the heavy attacks and runic are less powerful, which detracts from the immersion. When I slam my axe on the ground in 2018, it's like an iceburg coming from the ground, whereas Ragnarok looks like a bunch of weak snow crysals, and it doesn't have a powerful AOE look to it.

[@sync1463]

@@TheAbsoluteSir I agree

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

@@sync1463 When NG+ comes out, I want the option to be able to change the effects to "classic" aka the GoW2018 feel.

[@sync1463]

@@TheAbsoluteSir absolutely

[@godzillazfriction]

@@TheAbsoluteSir cope you're wrong

[@Danieru_]

In terms of combat, I liked GoW 2018 more than Ragnarok. Especially when it comes to hand-to-hand combat, the lack of a skill tree for it in Ragnarok is disappointing. You have the Lunda Armor set that focuses on hand-to-hand combat yet there's barely any moves for it.

[@smarty1268]

You don’t have the spear in 2018, 2018 is the reduced version of ragnarok when it comes to combat and let’s not forget the addition of verticality as well the charges you can do to all 3 weapons.

[@rulo9647]

@@smarty1268 @Smarty sure but there aren't any long combos anymore, you have no need to change from one weapon to another unless the enemy has an elemental barrier. Bare-handed combat complemented axe combat so well. As for the spear, it is just another weapon that does the same job as the axe or even worse in many cases.

[@phottiogames56]

Yeah that's the one thing that sucks about the combat in this game, you have to equip a specific shield and use certain button inputs to make bare handed look somewhat good and enjoyable. Really hope they add more to the combat for ng+

[@matteobovo2126]

@@smarty1268 the addition of verticality sucks and the spear is not on par with the axe and the blades of chaos as a weapon.

[@yvng_c1v1c73]

@@matteobovo2126 wtf are u smoking , the amount of versatility you get with the spear is crazy, i can tel no one in ur life told you to stfu

[@bankjibbernow]

The Axe in GOW 2018 feels more impactfull than in Ragnorok... even the audio

[@tisbutascratch9987]

THIS GOTTA BE THE BIGGEST DOWNGRADE BUT THEY DID THE BLADES OF CHAOS EVEN WORSE

[@AMG-777-Q]

100%

[@samtg3226]

I wouldn’t say ragnarok’s effects are worse than 2018’s. It’s personal preference really. Ragnarok has more emphasis on the actual element the weapons are using. Yeah the attacks in 2018 felt bigger and more powerful, but thats bc they were all just huge over the top streams and particles that were colored to resemble ice or fire.

[@godzillazfriction]

ye but some like the rage of sparta is definitely better looks wise but for weapons it's is simply different since the charge up for the blades of chaos sends shockwaves this time

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

Ngl the fire effect in GOW2018 looks like fanta

[@samtg3226]

@@Kratos_Messi7050 This man gets my point

[@LikeAChameleon]

@@Kratos_Messi7050 Agreed

[@MaxCanonStunner]

@@Kratos_Messi7050 true. They look so dated lol

[@nobody7204]

Both are good, but you can't deny that attacks in GoW 2018 were more satisfying to pull off

[@seanvang9102]

Atreus is just standing there like what are you doing I’m bored I want to go on a adventure

[@buddharocks492]

The running R2 and the L2+R2 in 2018 i miss so much.. Shit was epic, now its severely toned down and someone mentioned the ice isn't as sharp either.. Like the color of it isn't noticeable like it was before

[@sabalghoo]

Man, I really miss my Glaive Storm in Ragnarök! Ngl as much as I love this game, it kinda sucks having 4 less Runic options for both the axe and the blades compared to 2018

[@bulinggit2.0]

The Axe to shield/bare hand combat was pristine

[@sebastianaguilar7479]

I don't know how to explain it but the Axe felt like less heavy in Ragnarok

[@EritSanguine]

I think a lot of the comments are trying to say there is more impact and crunch in 2018 than in Ragnarok, which is definitely true. I don't have a huge problem with it, but I did notice that throughout my playthrough.

[@KingOfTheApex]

I miss holding R1 to throw the axe mid combo, used to do mad combos with that

[@aleemizcool3654]

That was like my favorite move. That and holding R2 for the over the shoulder Axe cut, the horizontal one just doesn't hit the same tbh

[@tonyflamingosucks6590]

@@aleemizcool3654 facts, this is my least favorite change about this game. There were a lot of badass executions to be done when the enemies health was low enough and it gave more variety than just the stun bar kills

[@Kostas_Dikefalaios]

@@aleemizcool3654 My biggest gripe as well, other than too many Atreus missions haha. They also took away the changing stance moves from the blades which I always liked to use. Instead of changing this they should have added on top of it.

[@grim9464]

@@Kostas_Dikefalaios they changed the blades stance moves because they saw a KZbin speed run of sigrun where the blades stance did 90% of the damage in like just 30 ish seconds. Something along those lines if I recall.

[@ThDragoomba]

@@grim9464 uhh so they simply coulda nerfed it lol

[@cameronlott7151]

Tyrs revenge being a regular attack in Ragnarok is pretty cool

[@ChrisThePlayer777]

I cant be the only one that felt that the Axe felt a lot stronger in 2018 than it does in ragnarok i dont know if it is because 2018 had more ice and particle effects while using it

[@kaiholeung903]

Tbh I love old attack more, the heavy r2 attack from the above and the hold r1 attack of throwing spinning axe is just great

[@zorex.]

yeah but the the the grinding storm attack was OP. if you want to sorta do the grinding storm attack in ragnarok, you should do that switch stances attack

[@kaiholeung903]

@@zorex. yeah gald that they keep the switch stance attack

[@TeddymanYT]

Old holding R2 attack was the only thing I missed in Ragnarok

[@kucingsedihjojofan1428]

Looking at that thumbnail, I thought Kratos was playing a guitar

[@ferdinand9555]

Am I the only one who likes the lessen particles from attacks? Like I like to see the weapon in action whilst having a decent amount of contrail, too much effects kinda looks too plastic-y in ways, plus the attacks actually looks accurate to the elements that the weapons are portraying. I actually prefer ragnarok's combat overall, I love 2018's combat but I think this is a massive improvement from 2018.

[@rythic.]

I like how they reduced particles on most things that blocked view of enemies. Atreus’s wolves in 2018 had so many particles and I could barely see

[@smolder_bravestone]

Nah, 2018 Gow was way better.

[@ar7hur06]

The noise and visual effects of the 2018 axe is better. The sound of the "cracking" of the ice after the slam and the glow of the axe itself, in Ragnarok are lacking punch and feedback. Still pretty good though.

[@player-vo8yb]

I like that they use less effects in GOW:R. Those effects sometimes blocks the view in GOW 2018. I expect to more easily see the enemies in front on Kratos in Ragnarok.

[@CrazyDavey23]

its bacuase of fimbulwinter

[@Mikegivesnofucks]

I actually liked the effects of 2018 better. They gave more power to the attack

[@MicolashAnfitriónDeLaPesadilla]

You right but anyway i prefer the effects hahaha

[@Nrzpokrter]

Thats fimbulwinter for ya

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

what is up with this weird justification here and in the comments, they used less effects cause there are more things on screen , stop simping like children unless you are on

[@MKIS_33]

Damn the sound designs got downgraded to the ground.

[@Vincente_Guerrero]

Honestly I miss the gow 4 control like the hold r2 attack is way better in gow4 and the blades is chaos heavy flames attack is better in 4

[@bhanuprasad9117]

In GOW Ragnarok you don't feel the weight of the weapons. Leviathan axe felt like a toy. Also you can't directly call axe when using blades when hit 🔺 instead of calling axe it whips the blade. God of war 2018 gameplay was more fluid and fast.

[@Delta_2209]

Now that's just a bad opinion man

[@undary0u]

No it wasn't it was just masked behind being more cinematic, rag is way more fluid and fast its incomparable

[@anthonygarcia8749]

That people agree with lol

[@doodoowater8000]

For the people saying they improved the combat in every way. You are delusional and biased. They removed hand to hand skill tree and executioners cleave. This should be a crime

[@Freezerker]

@@doodoowater8000 1000%

[@thetechnosaiyan]

​ you are biased aswell don't kid yourself

[@mustangcody]

They should've had option skills, you either can just one tree that has grinding storm or another that has the River of Knives attack.

[@juansubiry99]

i honestly like the more intense effects in 2018

[@NoCluYT]

Ragnarok is better with the animations and gameplay, but I really like how 2018's special attacks felt and sounded much heavier and harder hitting.

[@Randomdudefromtheinternet]

I miss the old effects, they really make the blows seem to hit harder.

[@TheMauriceRondefolt]

I hope someday there will be a mod replacing the sounds and effects of Ragnarok from the 2018 game

[@DanielValentin0508]

I think that Ragnarök's moves and effects streamline the look of the game. And instead of blue glow effect for the axe, it's more actual ice and frost.

[@TheMegatron673]

"the river of knives" in GOW 2018 looks way better than ragnarok's version. also it seems like it travels further too.

[@kevintrackpants4938]

I really missed the Hold L1 spinny catch move on the axe from 2018 gow.

[@zorex.]

they removed it because it was OP

[@ThDragoomba]

Which one ? Dont get it

[@zorex.]

@@ThDragoomba the thing at 0:20

[@ThDragoomba]

@@zorex. ohhh okay, tho that move is done by holding R1. OP must have made a typo

[@jwilsthem.c3780]

I think they toned down the effects a bit too much but I think what bothers me is the sound effects for the more powerful moves Wish they were a bit heavier I think they toned down the visual effects to make the game not as visually confusing to look at

[@thered_hood7451]

I kinda hoped they made combos for the frost awaken and immulation skills

[@ansidiny]

Kratos: practicing his axe moves Tyr: don't mind me I'm totally okay with you trying not to kill me with your axe

[@HeluvaWeirdo]

I believe the reason it lost a lot of effects is either trying to make it look cleaner and more realistic which I appreciate or fimbulwinter degrading his gear

[@SpectraLight]

Still miss the glaive storm heavy runic attack for the axe from 2018. That shit was my fav did so much deeps

[@magicmamba915]

that shit was fcking op in runic builds, even one shot most of the basic enemies in GMGOW

[@dravetehwq6357]

I like 2018 better when using leviathan axe holding r1.

[@MicolashAnfitriónDeLaPesadilla]

Glaive storm was my favorite runic attack in 2018, why they deleted:(

[@CorruptedYT]

It did work

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

Yeah it was OP as hell.

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

Too fucking OP

[@dragonshinobi1978]

Yes that's my favorite runic attack too, I guess they update it to Skadi's Edge because it kinda look like the Glaive Storm.

[@Xiter2025]

@@CorruptedYT what did you mean?

[@Arthur__Morgan_]

4:40 man in ragnarok it is like a flashlight, you don’t feel the power

[@StarOneSeblix]

In ng+ they need to make the weapons have a stronger aura

[@BiggieJ4224]

Ngl, I fought the dlc statements, but there are a lot of things that feel too similar with a few upgrades I guess but even things like cinematic/powerful looking attacks are toned down, it really feels they added a few features but didn’t overhaul anything really

[@999Blacklight]

is it just me, or are the slams with the axe on the ground in the first one, are more badass?

[@gabrielparrilha2442]

They greatly reduced the ice and fire animations.

[@erthasee]

This man is a w he had to switch between games going through the loading screen just so he could show us this video

[@gabrielmoreno7112]

Breath of Thamur is in both games, you must buy it from Brok and Sindri in GOW 2018 tho

[@isaacgarciamedina6506]

I think you should make a comparison video about the Shield Combat. In 2018, there was soooo much combos you can do. In Ragnarok, he only has 1 basic combo. 🙃

[@jacobbillington1033]

Imagine showing these AAA titles to the dudes who developed shit like pong and space invaders. They would absolutely shit their pants.

[@CorruptedYT]

Almost impossible to imagine, movies weren't even lookin that good

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

I bet the reason they had to reduce half the effects is because they had to take account to cross platform with previous consoles

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

Let's hope so because the next game's combat better look more like 2018 or I'm gonna riot.

[@FunnyRedemption]

​@@TheAbsoluteSir It'll probably be something better. It's most likely gonna be on PS5 only. I've heard some rumors or leaks, I don't know exactly which one, that the next game is gonna involve sailing, and if it's true then they really upped the gameplay.

[@k-jon036]

I miss the sounds of the weapons in the first one

[@SaifAhmed-rp9pu]

They should have kept GLAIVE STORM that hurts 🤕

[@ap4702]

Can't be the only one that preferes the weapons and armours from 2018. A higher level of polish and weight.

[@ThDragoomba]

Disagree abt armors, the armors in 2018 looked ugly mostly

[@ap4702]

@Doom Slayer sure, but they're still better than ragnoraks. That dragon armour is ugly as hell, and the rest are recolours of the default armour.

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

Yeah, it think the armor looked better in 2018 because 2018 really emphasized environmental reflections (which I miss), and it showed itself on the armor sets.

[@mateusz1386]

2018 feels more powerful and savage

[@arjunroy9043]

The VFX seems more *godly* in 2018 😐

[@s1gmaduck]

Yea it was toned down in ragnarok but it is more realistic

[@arjunroy9043]

Kinda sad. Even the runics were waayyy more powerful.

[@bendysama1728]

It is bc the fimbulwinter,it drains magic

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

It's fimbulwinter for ya

[@redhare8572]

The team faithful to Fimbulwinter drain magic and just "hey, we tone down effect lol"

[@albertovinicio123]

God of War: Ragnarok has worse effects. There is a greater grandeur and impact to GoW 2018. GoW Ragnarok brings a sense of softened impact.

[@godzillazfriction]

it's not that the effects are worse... they are different but like the running slam and the R2 combo finisher definitely has heavier and better impact with the camera moving with it whereas ragnarok is just lessened and the camera is static

[@CorruptedYT]

That’s my fault I have camera shake completely turned because some runics was so bad I couldn’t see anything 😂

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

@@CorruptedYT 🗿

[@vergil5644]

@@godzillazfriction the effects are worse, have you seen the ice formations? And the blades immolation? Like cmon its so blatant.

[@godzillazfriction]

@@vergil5644 some aren't

[@lenin725]

I think the reason for having less effects (visual/sound) is because the amount of things the game already have. Because having all the realms and much more items make the game massive. So, if they have the same visuals and sound. The game wouldn't be on ps4, GOW Ragnarok would have been the most demanding performing game on the console. The ps4 would overheat horribly

[@themaster6718]

6:23 Tyr's Revenge is on Ragnarok as a regular skill called "Vengeful Sickle". I think.

[@afnanhisyamhussin2589]

Grinding storm was the best, shame they took it out

[@theivans90]

3:02 if you ask me.. that was an awesome move, dkw they removed in Rgnrk

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

What I feel most lacking is that they removed the combo throwing move. Where if you hit the enemy in the head with light throw and time the return at the right time Kratos automatically throw it and you can do that until the enemy dies. It was so much satisfying. I felt like they lessen the effectiveness of the Axe thrown. Maybe to make the spear feel more attractive, having less overlap between the two. Also I expected a better integration of weapons. They should have built a combination of buttons to rapid cycle between weapons similar to God of War 3. This game requires your thumbs at the analog stick the entire time so you can be always on the move and controlling the camera, at least at higher difficulties. Taking your left thumb from the stick to switch weapon is really bad when you are surrounded by enemies. Especially because you can't obviously switch weapons mid a animation, it's have to finalize. So I need to send still for a moment until the switch is possible, remove my fingers from movement and into the digital directional. It would be more efficient if there was a shortcut, I don't know like L1+ O (I don't think this do anything) that made Kratos cycles to the next weapon already doing a attack to stanger a enemy. The other changes I'm fine with, like I prefer the more bombastic effects of the first game but I realize that one of the criticism over it was the combat was hard to read at a time. They focused so much in make it cinematic with minimalist hud that it affected playability. Most of the changes made were obviously to raise the spatial sense and readability of the combat and enemies and for the most part they succeeded. Let see what changes and balances they bring with new game plus.

[@virtual_bomber5698]

For the throw combo you can use the fast frost awaken from an axe throw. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not as smooth by any means but when you can do is throw the axe, recall it and just keep holding triangle. When he catches it it will immediately go into frost awaken, then aim and hit r1. If you do it smoothly enough it’s very similar to the last game but it’s not as fast.

[@amirmahdisalmanian9585]

I like both design , but 2018 is more heavy and good feeling for war , and ragnorak good for focus on combos and good graphic

[@busterr18]

Tyr be like: Please go away I’m trying to meditate here

[@electric_lizzzard]

Tyr is chiller that Leviathan Axe ever be

[@Shruz]

Off topic: I like both games but gowr felt rushed..which i understand its ragnarok, but it just felt rushed imo yk. There is little details and areas i see when i play gowr multiple times that either have missing hitboxes, hitboxes where they arent supposed to be at, and unfinished textures. Another thing that annoyed me abt gowr is the armor for atreus and freya..gow2018 made it where you can upgrade atreus's armor for runic and bow attacks which was useful, but gowr doesnt have that anymore and its just clothes. Like bruh cmon now, they couldve made it where it gave either atreus, freya or kratos a buff instead of being a cosmetic yk. There's more i can say but those are just things i wanted to say (ik ima wake up to multiple spelling mistakes)

[@a.omoush9644]

Ragnarok is beautiful, but the 2018 version is more mysterious. In general, the previous part is much more beautiful in terms of story and drama. An example of this is Kratos' attempt to hide his past from his son and everyone, chasing Boulder and his return to his past to save his son, "the scene of the blades of chaos" and much, much more that remains in terms of story. And the plot is nicer.

[@fleek5876]

Ragnarok needs more vfx attacks doesn't feel as powerful as gow 2018 and both games also need quantity over quality enemies like in the old gow games

[@nnnovacaineee]

Well they did me that the winter makes all magic and things weaker through drainage. So maybe it was toned down for that reason. Even tho I do agree its kinda a dumb decision to lessen Kratos even further

[@fernosbonos5394]

nobody didn't know that returning whirlwind has a follow up after 2 swings if you press again

[@Narutofan36250]

That person meditating is looking like Lord Shiva

[@ShadowRavenGaming222]

I feel like they did a few things better in 4 than 5, and I don’t like that they removed a few things and replaced some with less cool attacks and stuff.

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

Look what they did to my boy...

[@Naiddou]

power vs swiftness

[@bigboibebop]

I miss the old R1 hold move

[@ImDaRealBoi]

Now that I think about it, they should've went a similar direction to how Ghost of Tsushima handled wind effects and allowed a toggle between minimal and maximum particles, because some people like lots of flashy particles (like me) and others like the slimmed down look. Or even the sfx, which in my opinion was meatier in 2018 Everything is both an upgrade and a downgrade. Like for example, I love Skaldi's edge because the original precision throw lockon kinda felt like a waste of time when I could just combo throws AND get a headshot combo going, but in a runic attack with sick ass slo mo it feels much cleaner and usable mid combat. But taking out the original executioner feels downright wrong, like I want to CLEAVE people, there's already enough cutting going on. And leviathan's wake was just the sickest at sniping.

[@saurophaganax_0]

Tyr's revenge is also a regular move in Ragnarök. Just hold R1 while aiming

[@MrWaterlionmonkey]

The stance change moves have 2 added differences that are cool that not many know about. If you hold the light attack button on the second attack the axe spins around kratos one more time. Also if you mix and match light and heavy attacks in gow 2018 you get a combo of 3 attacks. In ragnorok you can mix and match 5. Only found that out recently. That was awesome

[@REVOFEV792]

The UI in the menus look so much better in 2018

[@Huda88754]

The sound design and the weight of impact is better in 2018

[@bigboibebop]

Leviathans wake is now frost awaken + aim r2

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

The diminished sound effects really sadden me.

[@gurkeerat1232]

I just want to correct the glaive storm is the runic attack called leviathans roar in god of war 5. Storm of fimbulwinter is different and not similar to any runic attack in god of war 2018

[@TNDStream]

I liked the old GOW games better because of the impact of the gameplay & sound design. Not to mention the camera was much better when it showed everything on the battlefield rather than having to 360 turn all the time. But that’s just a preference. The new games aren’t bad but aren’t as good. I’ll always remember GOW for its Greek Mythology games. It’s like comparing masterpieces vs knock offs that tried hard.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

Skill issue?

[@moozeex1]

GOW 2018 AXE moves, sound design and feal is like it was on steroids!!!! I knew there was something wrong with fight mechanics in ragnarok from day 1, but didn't knew what it was.now I see ...They evolved it BACKWARDS ITS FKN DISSAPOINTING!!!

[@xoxo7190]

It's sad that ragnarok has lost his axe and Chaos blade effects. In 2018 GOW it looked so cool with the paritcles and now it looks so boring.