Leviticus: Laying Down The Law | Secular Bible Study (Episode 3)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Welcome to episode 3!

[@peterkeller7880]

Leviticus and Judges are the books convinced me that Yaweh is a manic bipolar god. Most modern christians as you say ignore these laws in the old testament. Jesus said I come not to change the law but to fulfil them. You must as a christian obey all of Moses's law and the new covenant laws as they were given by Yaweh. You cannot just stop at the 10 commandments. #JoshuaGOAT - The original Che Guevara

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Well said! For me it was Job. A book i once loved deeply and then slowly saw the realities and horror.

[@peterkeller7880]

@@MindShift-Brandon yeah Job is on another level of insanity. I loved the story of Pinocchio.. All seriousness, these stories in the bible are worse than the ones from Greek Mythology and the Greeks have some dark horrible stories, Zeus is sick individual. If Only NBC's Law & Order existed back than the bible would be so different. In the Judah justice system, the people represented by two separate yet equally important groups, Yaweh who gives the law and Moses that enforces and prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.... DUN DUN

[@MindShift-Brandon]

i would 100% pay to watch that show, ha!!

[@peterkeller7880]

@@jacliveshere ah so Jesus lied about following the laws thus God lied. Jesus didnt say you must stop following the laws. The "Gentiles" had hard time following the Judah laws hence why Peter n Paul relaxed the law for them. It wasnt commanded by God. Plus Gentiles is such a degrading term. It ignores peoples cultures as if they is something wrong them. Even Peter and Paul had issues deciding how christianity must followed. There is alot to unpack with Acts. They needed christianity to grow and they found it not so easy convincing other cultures to turn to christianity because of the strict laws. Thats why there is so many denominations of Christianity cos people change the rules amend this and that. The roman empire was better at spending religion by allowing culture and religion to be observed in tandem with the Roman culture and religion. Other examples Alexandria the Great and Ghangis Khan. Plus if it wasnt for the roman empire, christianity would have died. Zoroastrianism would have more followers.

[@alanhyland5697]

Who would have thought, once we realized we were atheists, that we'd be having bible studies?

[@MindShift-Brandon]

lol, would not have guessed it myself. Maybe its just me trying to put to use the decades of study i gave my life too when I was still blinded.

[@alanhyland5697]

@@MindShift-Brandon As long as something good can come of it lol I'm using this series to help me put into words some of the many concerns I had over the years. Having spent all those years sweeping things under the rug, it's looking pretty lumpy.

[@chrishollandsworth6700]

Hilarious comment!

[@lil-al]

It's so much better to not be bogged down by dogma and faith, and actually look at the text for what it is.

[@eyeswideopenapril]

I know but from a far healthier perspective 😅

[@williamwatson4354]

In terms of slavery. The Israelites have just been released from captivity. Wouldn't that be the ideal time to establish a total ban on slavery?

[@MindShift-Brandon]

100%! It is just baffling.

[@ETERNALLYBELOVEDOFAMUNRA]

I'm glad I read the comments because I was going to say that too..😅

[@visions_of_drewth]

I’m an agnostic lapsed Christian who grew up in a fundamentalist community and have long considered doing something similar to this. Searched for “secular Bible study” on a whim. And you’re obliterating anything I would have put together. Think it would have been hard to maintain the objectivism. I have some deep seated anger about things I was told growing up and fears that were manufactured and it’s hard to keep that from creeping into how I talk about certain circles of belief. Well done.

[@QueenBoadicea]

10:24 People have pointed out how Christianity is a blood cult. But it starts here with Moses among the Jews. It's kind of sickening, really.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

I can really relate to the righteous indignation in this one; this was pretty much what derailed my faith. I think you have to do some absolutely insane mental and ethical gymnastics to defend Leviticus. I think it's kinda the low point in the Bible; even Harold Bloom, who really defended the Bible as a grand literary work, made an exception with Leviticus. 😅 And I absolutely adore your point about that probably being why Aaron's sons died, because no one can keep this mountain of rules straight. 😂 Great work here. 😉

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Tharts interesting about Harold Bloom. It shares it low points with Deut, Job, Nahum, and Joshua I think. So much insanity! Thanks for being here, my man.

[@QueenBoadicea]

Other people find Leviticus boring but I always found it a stitch. I adore cooking, for myself and my friends, so the part on the items you could and couldn't eat were of intense interest. I delight in pointing out to people how god forbids the consumption of pigs, rabbit and shellfish but he allows the eating of locusts and grasshoppers. Yummy!

[@Grayraven777]

One thing most people miss when reading the Levitical laws concerning incest, - the only relative left off this list is a mans own daughter. This is bc if having sex with your daughter was a sin, then Lot and his daughters should have been punished, but instead 2 Peter says he was "righteous". So why is it that if a woman gets raped, and can't scream for whatever reason (my guess is that his hand is over her mouth) She gets stoned to death for being a rape victim. But Lot offers up his daughters to be raped by an angry mob, and then later lets his daughters get him drunk so they can rape him, and not a word is said by Lot during these "rapes", nor is Lot even considered unclean after this, instead the daughters are allowed to bare his "intellectually disabled" children who become the nations of Amon and Moab, who the Lord later set "ambushes" against. Am I missing something, or is this not one of the most messed up stories ever?

[@Cnichal]

😭

[@mrwensveen]

I can almost see the writers patting themselves on their backs, thinking they were pretty damn reasonable.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

lol, i envision a bunch of guys who have heard stories from their families for generations, who have told stories around the campfire etc finally come together to get this thing on paper. Everyone tells their version, none of it is the same, so they compromise by putting a little of everyones version in, and here we are a few thousand years later being schmucks thinking its perfect and divine lol.

[@harktischris]

I'm a Christian and the algorithm brought me to this video and I just have to say that this is incredible work and you get a thumbs up and a subscribe from me (just went back and caught up on the other two books so far). Really good and easy to follow historical, critical, etc deep-dive of what can be an extremely supercharged topic (and hence, hard to find this kind of arms-length discussion).

[@chrishollandsworth6700]

Awesome, bro! Glad you found it and engaged with the topics! Ive found that a lot of skeptics and athiests are super nice and willing to answer questions.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey man. Thanks so much for the very kind words despite any differences. If you dont mind me asking, what is it like for you on the parts where i express frustration or call out issues or errors? Like, as a believe, who engages in this kind of content, i guess I’m asking why or for what purpose. Again. Glad to have you here wither way.

[@harktischris]

​@@MindShift-Brandon i'm pretty left/skeptic on the spectrum, and doctrinally i'd probably be considered borderline heterodox, and in the church i am in now these days (liberal mainline protestant) my Christian initiation classes were actually a lot like these video, so the readings are not actually far of from my normal experience but with a lot more useful historical contextualization. i was raised fundamentalist though, so in areas where errors, historical gaps, or major doctrinal contradictions arise, it reinforces the skepticism i had at the time and gives me a better vocab to express what as a young teen found very hard to express, especially with how leviticus's prescriptiveness in particular was handled, so the criticisms are frequently shared. For example, the southern baptist church and many southern "non-denominational" bible churches try really hard to couch the slavery thing as historical artifact (despite it essentially being the SBC's raison d'etre) but also sees no problem bringing the "thou shalt not lie with another man" unchanged to the modern day.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Very interesting. I have so many questions. Let me know if you would ever be open to an interview for the channel

[@Redtornado6]

Feel free to make these videos as long as you want, the work you put into them is exemplary. I wouldn’t mind listening to this stuff for hours on end

[@MindShift-Brandon]

That is very kind, I might start testing some longer content on the channel. Thanks for the positive feedback!

[@kevinnazario1015]

I agree. This is an incredible amount of work. Bravo sir!

[@26beegee]

Having witnessed first hand the life-long damage and even death caused by rape I would be hard pressed to say whether rape or slavery is worse. Both condoned and even endorsed by god makes religion untenable to me.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

At the same time this god condemns consensual sex between two consenting male humans and prescribed the death penalty for it, but also for any kind of male-to-male contact whether human, animal, or object (dildos), and even victims of male-to-male rape and child predation must be executed, "to die they must be put to death," apparently in some cruel and unusual manner. This god really hates women and also men who are not straight!

[@26beegee]

@rboland2173 I agree with you 100%.

[@lil-al]

It honestly sickens me, the way christians try and get around the slavery thing.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes. Once you read it, and see it, i think there is just zero excuse.

[@19Rick84]

@@MindShift-BrandonYep, so true!

[@tamjammy4461]

Ta again. Your summaries of the books are really insightful. It always amazes me how easily modern christians dismiss the slavery issue as just OT, which it isnt. Even if it was, they seem to think that its ok becauseJesus overruled all the bad stuff. If they'd dumped the OT , as some esrly Christians wanted to, that'd be fair enough . They havent. Its their god who did this shit. Who cares if he turned up 1000 yrs later and said "oops- didnt really mean all that". They act as if their religion wasnt used to justify slavery , witch burning ,and mass murder for most of its history. Then tell me I have no basis for my morality. . Sorry about the rant there. Many Christians are fine people. They just haven't thought through what they think they believe.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Agreed, none of this is about individuals, it's about the religion and the unexamined or purposely ignored parts. The more frustrating thing is nothing in the NT does reverse slavery. Its upheld multiple times. Thank you for watching and the kind words!

[@JW-ri9oy]

16:25 - When you read the OT, God really starts to sound like Homelander, or Anthony Fremont from the Twilight Zone 😂

[@Lestat1349]

HAHAHA! such a great analogy, Homelander is just like this :D

[@cooscoe]

So many problematic passages in this and the next two books. I don't know if I miss it, but what are your thoughts on 19:20-22? I found it really interesting and disturbing that the law would take time to make a distinction in punishment for a slave woman and a free woman when it comes to adultery. It almost cements in the record that slaves are fully regarded as sub-human in the bible.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes. Too many indeed. Its abhorrent and im bummed i missed it.

[@thestaciesmompodcast]

It’s a good day when there is a new video from Mindshift! 🧡

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Very kind, Stacie. Looking forward to working together!

[@andrewferg8737]

@@MindShift-Brandon Wait. So you're saying that if I sacrifice my own good for the sake of someone else but secretly have some ulterior motive, then my action is technically not good? I don't believe that. That's just not reflective of reality... ok... maybe a little... But why are so picky? Like who do think you are? God? Truth without mercy is a torment. Mercy without truth is a lie. Love always encompasses both. God is Love. “All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth” (Psalm 25) Deus caritas est.

[@davidbudge8359]

Trust me on this they do not like you ripping birds apart and sprinkling blood around hospital operating theatres to make them ritually clean.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

lol, so strange these doctors who lean on their own understanding, to not want the dead bird blood blessing.

[@davidbudge8359]

@rboland2173 you should have seen his face with the next case it was a bloke called Jesus practicing medicine without a licence.

[@genome7970]

Yeah it’s theorized that Yahweh, the storm war god, and El, the elder wise Canaan god, was melded together to make the God of Old Testament. That it’s 2 natures from different cultural backgrounds playing tug of war in the Old Testament. Which mildly would explain why god acts disproportionately bad and good. Though this being in mind when they created the Bible is unlikely, in my opinion anyway. Also loving the series, keep it up!

[@nckanime3994]

I really appreciate your channel and the content you're putting out. Stumbled across it thanks to KZbin algorithms and subscribed almost immediately. You put things into words that I have struggled with properly expressing during my deconstruction and deconversion from fundamentalist christianity, and you do so in a manner that is respectful enough that I wouldn't be afraid to share with my still believing family and friends. Keep up the great work!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I really appreciate that support and feedback! Welcome to the family snd thank you for taking the time to let me know.

[@eyeswideopenapril]

Absolutely mental gymnastics 😮. Brilliant unpacking and highlighting so much and it’s absolute atrocious laws and endorsing of slaves, murder….etc

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!

[@TheRatzor]

I still believe in a God but I cannot defend the insanity of the bible, I'm like I could write a better book! I'd love to see an atheist re-write the bible with our current standard of morality and how they would have instructed these tribes

[@MindShift-Brandon]

hey there, thanks for watching. So do you believe in this abrahamic god or something else then?

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

it was mosaic law or the law of the priests; imagine, however, being the creator of the universe and feeling the need (or insecurity) to communicate (attract attention to you) with a particular group of standing apes in the middle of nowhere and direct them to rituals and sacrifices!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

oh yes, zooming out is what always makes this just so silly. Needing a man in a funny hat to go in a very special tent and shake blood in just the right way and tie a rope around his ankle to pull him out by in case god kills him, and that man has to kill a goat to atone for his tribe for another year..and on and on and on.

[@Jake-zc3fk]

Brandon, you just keep it coming brother! You have a clear and concise delivery for a topic that is so convoluted and full of contradictions. I used to try to convince myself that there were no contradictions in the Bible, just our misunderstandings 😂 We are fighting a battle that for many believers is rooted nearly as deeply as the need for oxygen and food. There’s a long way to go. Keep up the effort, you are doing a fantastic job!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you, my friend. I too once really believed in the inerrancy of the full bible, what I think we mean when we said that, was I dont know and I dont want to know. lol.

[@clemstevenson]

It is, quite frankly, astonishing that anyone takes the bible at face value in this era. Their god ‘claims’ are indistinguishable from fiction, and their knowledge of the world around them was close to nothing. It is unsurprising that modern-day ‘believers’ have to defend their faith, by attempting to shift the burden of proof.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Agreed and agreed. Ive often thought of an experiment where you hand an objective adult with no indoctrination or religious knowledge just Leviticus. Out of 1000, how many do you think would call this god wise, moral, loving? How many would dedicate their life to him? Etc. its just insane for christians today to try and excuse this behavior.

[@clemstevenson]

@@MindShift-Brandon It is truly bizarre that anyone would even try to justify that biblical stuff in this era. The idea that god would require any form of sacrifice at all seems utterly irrational to us nowadays. Why would an all-powerful god need that? Someone who had never been exposed to these biblical claims would be baffled. As a matter of fact, I am evidence for that. This is because I grew up in a secular environment, and only met up with random biblical passages at school. It would appear that a religious pressure group is still maintaining religious education in English schools. That is a failed indoctrination process, as religion is opposed to real-world education.

[@andrewpascal6096]

Another?! You are cranking out the content good sir.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

ha, thank you. This particular series will be out every single Thursday at 9am.

[@duanethompson8770]

Thanks for another informative look at a book in the Bible. In my opinion too many present-day Americans would like to base our laws on this ancient text.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

You are welcome and i agree. Getting a bit scary but at the same time its whats leading the way for so many to wake up from this faith also.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

@@MindShift-Brandon Facts. I agree 💯 percent

[@Jwhit91]

Another great one! You sneak in so much amazing context and interesting anecdotes. Thanks for these!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you! Yes i try to spice it up with some extras

[@anthonyharty1732]

I’d like to know HOW this ‘God’ ever spoke to people. Did ‘he’ shout from the sky’s? 😂🤣 ‘he’ couldn’t shut ‘his’ mouth thousands of year’s ago but now only speaks in peoples IMAGINATIONS, they say ‘he’ talk’s to them without any EVIDENCE to back it up.

[@acemak14721]

…….I have zero idea why people still believe this nonsense. 😑

[@MindShift-Brandon]

It’s baffling because i feel the same way and yet just a few years ago i was so bought in.

[@acemak14721]

@@MindShift-Brandon I’m surrounded by believers, grew up in it, but I never really studied it to the extent that I know it now that I’m an atheist. And still, I believed in a lot of it also. Crazy. It all seems so primitive now.

[@a.b.2405]

I was always told the slavery in the Bible was not the same as the slavery in America so it makes it better. But it’s still owning humans as property so I don’t think it makes it better at all…

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Plus its 100% the same. Taking foreigners from their land, owning them as property and passing them down generationally. This is chattel slavery

[@Badficwriter]

Its always seemed like historians playing favorites. Someone became a nonperson against their will, due to no fault of their own. We're supposed to know that treating people like second class citizens is bad, but our ancestors were too stupid to know better. But often we find in the most ancient literature, people who simply acted morally. By modern standards. I think they knew, most of the time. It required propaganda to overcome common sense.

[@davidgale8043]

Hey wait a minute your tricking Atheists into learning about the bible🤣🤣🤣

[@19Rick84]

Really enjoying these Secular Bible Studies! Thanks for doing them!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure, glad to have you watching!

[@stevenhogenson4880]

You have demonstrated in this episode (as well as many of your others) the interesting phenomenon of atheists knowing the bible better than most believers. Said believers can't understand how the bible could drive anyone away from faith. And that's because they've never read it. I've seen over and over again in comments (not only for your videos but for many other of the atheists who have content out there) how often really reading the bible results in a new atheist. It certainly was true in my own case, but truth be told, the bible element was just one of several factors that led to my deconversion. Most believers only hear the lovely cherry picked verses from their pastor or priest and don't realize the sheer horror of a lot of the content in the OT, especially in the Pentateuch books that you are presenting as a part of your series. I am working my way through all the Mind Shift videos that are listed. Enjoying each one. Thank you for creating such informed, thoughtful and excellent content.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

love to hear that, thanks for taking the time to catch up on the backlog as well. It is so sad that most christians just refuse to engage with these books. Thanks again, Steven!

[@gmsnightmare4328]

I love these videos. Thanks for the effort you put in. I know you put a lot in these videos and I really appreciate you my friend!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I am really glad to hear it. Thank you for your appreciation! It is more work than most videos, but I also really enjoy it.

[@averagejoe455]

Wasn't the god of Leviticus El and not Yahweh? You know, the god their people are literally named from? Israel = Praise to El or Praise be El It does NOT mean "Struggles with God" as the totally believable and never lying Bible claims.

[@nicolasandre9886]

If I'm not mistaken, Deuteronomy has laws about taking children and women as slaves after a military victory. Between that and all weird laws in Leviticus, I find it pretty hard to choose which are the worst honestly. In any case, it's not making a very strong case in favour of a loving and all powerful god as the inspiration for this supposedly 'good book'.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

No you are right, the duet verse is more evil as its in reference to all three, genocide, sex slavery, and chattel slavery. Maybe what I meant was this is the clearest verse, no excuses or context issues here. Believe it or not, there are some gross ones for Deut.

[@mcawesomeytyo3312]

We’re laying down the law with Lawviticus💀💀💀⚖️⚖️⚖️

[@Noise-Conductor]

No tattoos made me LOL. Why would the creator of the universe care about something like that?

[@adrianvargas1380]

I really like the fact that when you make a new video, it pretty often references other videos that you made, and because I have seen that they present ideas that I've never seen, it ends up creating one big tree of knowledge with different branches

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Very cool to see it that way. Thank you.

[@not_a_theist]

5:28 Thanks so much for this explanation of their forty years spent roaming the desert. I have only heard the length of time it took used erroneously as an argument against the biblical god by other atheists.

[@Lestat1349]

Well I am now done with leviticus and boy what a ride. I agree with you on the slave part, stop excusing this with the mental gymnastics you have to do. If god was a perfect moral being then he would say no you may not have slaves, ever, like you said, done. This is a bit far fetched, but I have to say that through leviticus I kinda felt like this is a setup for a scam. like, moses was alone on the mountain when he got the rules, the priests are his family and they get set up for life? Again I know its far fetched but my scamdar vent of like crazy trough some of the parts in there. also its quite telling of gods character (If he was real) that he loves the smell of his own creation burning. Another great video, looking forward to numbers one, maybe not so much reading it but watching your video after as a price. Have a good one :D

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Numbers gets even wilder! And i like the scam idea. Regardless, theres no doubt that same level of thinking was going on for them as a people group. Only we get to have slaves etc.

[@Lestat1349]

@@MindShift-Brandon even wilder huh, well I guess I will find out tomorrow how bad and wild it will get

[@MindShift-Brandon]

@Lestat1349 buckle up, my friend!

[@jenna2431]

This would be awesome as "Sunday School." 😂 It's more than I actually got from Sunday School.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha! Funny enough. When i started making content like this on my old booktube channel i called the series sunday school. Thanks for watching, Jenna!

[@nicolasandre9886]

'Actual bible study' ^^

[@RobotProctor]

Can't wait until we get into specific verses, too. Leviticus is full of doozies. EDIT: many verses were discussed here! Enjoyed that part.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I am also eager. Thought I would test the water and appetite with 30 min overviews before hours and hours of verse by verse. Thanks for watching, man.

[@solidsnake497]

Notice how the words wrath, substitute, or appease are not in Leviticus. 🤔 Also notice how sins like murder, idolatry, and adultery have no sacrifice, but God had forgiven people who committed these in the OT David, Manasseh, Israel interest things to think about.

[@joycesky5041]

If I’m not mistaken I thought Moses wrote part of the Torah after he died. Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣 The funny thing is that it took them 40 years to get to the Promised Land which should have taken them 2 months at the most so they must have been walking around in circles…it’s ridiculous. I heard Seth Andrews say the other day that the Israelites were traveling in an area the size of an animal reserve sanctuary and then of course he and Forest Valkai busted up laughing like they always do 🤣. I’ve heard others say that it was an area with the diameter of Rhode Island. If archaeologists have found primitive ancient tools from the Neanderthals that date back like 200,000 years ago and if the Exodus really happened then there should have most definitely been some type of artifacts that should have been found by now like pottery, tools, cooking implements, jewelry, etc, but nothing has ever been found from 4,000 years ago which wasn’t that long ago compared to the Neanderthals so I don’t believe the Exodus ever happened. Seeing Christian’s only believe some of the laws like the 10 commandments (not that they follow them) then how come they aren’t following ALL of the other 600 some-odd laws? They say that Jesus did away with all of that so if that’s the case then he should have done away with the 10 commandments also. The present day Gentiles shouldn’t be wearing mixed fabrics, eat pork or shell fish, they should be keeping all of Shabbat from Friday at Sundown throughout Saturday, they should eat Kosher, do all their cooking before Shabbat begins, don’t turn on light switches, microwaves, stoves, not pick up sticks, etc. If Jesus did away with the Old Law then why do Christians still use some of them? It’s ridiculous but yet god isn’t the author of confusion? There’s nothing more confusing than Christianity and their bible. Correct me if I’m wrong but we gotta give the Jews some credit with all of this…Orthodox Jews keep the whole Law and don’t waver from it but I honestly don’t know how they do it…I think I would lose my mind trying to remember and to do all those works of the Law…Yeah I’d totally lose it! 🤪😵‍💫🤪😵‍💫🤪 Sorry about my comments being so long…people probably don’t even read them. I’m just a blabber mind and blabber mouth.🧠👄🧠👄🧠👄

[@AmityvilleFan]

It's almost 100% just regulations. Why isn't this stoopid book edited?

[@DCox87]

Stunning, gut-ripping TRUTH.

[@goonerbear8659]

The Levitical laws were unironically fascinating to me even as a child.

[@BrianS1981]

What comes out clearly from the first books of the old testament is that Yhwh is not the all powerful and all knowing god that the three abrahamic faiths made him out to be. The god of the early precursors to the jews is a very small and limited one.

[@davidofoakland2363]

I just wanted to add my two cents here to help with the YT algorithms and to boost your channel. I'll even give it a 'subscribe'. Your summaries are really very illuminating and I found myself pulling down my own bible to follow along. if you keep up these excellent exposes, I'll continue to consume.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate all that! Thank you very much. Will do!

[@willievanstraaten1069]

Today is the first time you appeared on my KZbin. Hope that more people will find it.

[@djfrank68]

Good stuff. Thanks.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching

[@Cuffsmaster]

Thanks for putting all this together - please keep it up.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure, man!

[@Azho64]

Love this series thanks

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure!

[@Andre-qo5ek]

mosses was a yogi, holding an advanced asanas i guess.... 🤔

[@josephworkman5964]

Thank you for this. One of the verses in Leviticus that I believe poses a significant problem for the sacrificial savior idea is 5:11. What are your thoughts on this?

[@jerryhayes9497]

Comment for the KZbin algorithm god 🙏 because that thing actually exists 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@MindShift-Brandon]

lol, finally a deity I can serve! thanks!

[@jerryhayes9497]

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[@cringeLoop]

"He said you may, he said here's how" 😄

[@tonydarcy1606]

That's put me in the mood for a prawn sandwich !

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha! but thats the same level of abomination as homosexuality. Is shrimp really worth the smite?

[@anotherway6427]

Wonderful video its interesting to see how this timelines theology worked and it has motivated me to keep learning

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad to hear it. Thanks for watching these!

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Having heard at a community meeting a testimony by a fellow gay man who was beaten and r@ped by 5 men (who were the real sodomites here?), I find Leviticus 20:13 to be particularly cruel and unusual and unjust. A clarification of that verse: for "surely they must be put to death", the Hebrew translates as "to die they must be put to death" (Numbers 25:4 method?) and the Septuagint translates as "they must put themselves to death." This last apparently describes Roman crucifixion on a standard Roman _crux,_ because the crucified wears himself out and if my suspicion is correct, exhibits the nature of the transgression. More on that later.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for the added points. Yes it is just grotesque!

[@surlycycler2213]

So God likes a good bbq

[@frelias8146]

Is this just me, or is one of the main themes (not addressed in the video) is the establishment of a racketeering business by a new cast of priests? As in, whatever you do (committing sins or just menstruating), you'll end up having to bring fresh meat to the priests who will perform the offerings -and keep a portion for themselves...

[@LegendOfKitty]

If God knows everything, then why does he need 40 years to figure out anything? He should know everything that's happening and everything that's going to happen.

[@josephtaylor4405]

Thanks. I wanted to know how many 'sin' 'sacrifices' there were. My favorite is 'don't wear white after Labor Day '

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol

[@Vinnymanvinny1]

To be fair, im agostic (former Christian) of three decades. Christians also quote the new testament to fight against LGBT

[@JoNDOE66613]

How are they wondering lost in the desert if they had god as their gps?

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol well i do address that a bit. As the story goes, god wanted to take his time and train up his people through trial before letting them in the promise land. Still so ridiculous though.

[@JoNDOE66613]

@MindShiftSkeptic but why would the bible say they were wondering lost if god was guiding and training them, it's so disingenuous but that fits the overall theme of religion I suppose.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Indeed. Trying to make sense of any of it is futile.

[@solidsnake497]

⁠@@JoNDOE66613The Israelites were not lost they were judged by God because they didn’t believe God when he said he would help them fight the giants in the land. He wasn’t training them up either he was judging that first generation of people for their unbelief, their children were able to go into the promised land but not them.

[@JoNDOE66613]

@@solidsnake497 judged them to do what?

[@averagejoe455]

Affairs and adultery are two different things. No contradiction there.

[@Betttty]

You also forgot that God also doesn't like yeast 😂😂 damn

[@lutek1]

Just picking out one small phrase...."It pleases God"....... isn't it strange that God would need anything (the smell of burnt animal flesh. or anything else for that matter) to be pleased. I conclude that God has a nose, God has senses. And above all, God cannot make himself experience the smell of burnt flesh unless it is brought about by humans. Taking this thought further, God cannot make Himself not jealous when He is jealous, He cannot make Himself forgiving when He is unforgiving. (etc) The first is very physical, the second are very mental, so maybe they shouldn't be mentioned right after another. But the first made me think of the second. (Well yeah, that's just the thing, isn't it.... once you start seeing holes in one part, you start questioning other parts. POZ brought me here, he gave a shout out to you last week.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

All of that! Man do i hear you. Went down similar trains of thought.

[@arcpuffin]

Where is Exodus? I can’t find it in the playlist

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats strange, i just checked and i see it in there. You can also try searching mindshift exodus

[@arcpuffin]

@@MindShift-Brandon thanks, I found it in the actual Bible stuffy playlist but not the “all Mindshift videos” one

[@MindShift-Brandon]

@arcpuffin oh weird. Thanks for letting me know

[@RubyNeumann]

So NOT boring!!!! Thank you!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad to hear it!

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

To be fair, Paul reiterates that being gay is a sin. So if you believe it's inspired from God, you could say that's enough. If that wasn't there, yeah sure, you have a strong case for being ok with gay people.

[@Badficwriter]

But Paul wasn't Jesus. Nor Yahweh. He was just a man who thought sex was unclean and wished everyone were chaste like himself. At some point you have to ask, would Jesus have agreed with this? Wouldn't he have mentioned if he did?

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@Badficwriter All Christians consider Paul as inspired writings from God. It's real hard to take Paul out of Christianity.

[@lisacampbell2449]

Have you done a video on the origin of Yahweh and other gods? I did not know this! I am flabbergasted and excited to learn more. Also did you say you will be moving on to cover the books story line in detail once you have completed the secular study?

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Check out my series dissecting the divine!

[@lisacampbell2449]

@@MindShift-Brandon brilliant! Thank you 🤩

[@raysalmon6566]

it very common for skeptics to go to the barbaric laws of levidicus snd twist them into todays culture John 14:27 Peace I (Jesus) leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

[@johntiggleman4686]

I have a real problem with Paul's teaching (I know, NT)...but maybe as a separate video..I would really not want to wait for you to get to all his letters to hear your opinions.

[@tulpas93]

Love this series! ❤

[@andrewferg8737]

Wait. So you're saying that if I sacrifice my own good for the sake of someone else but secretly have some ulterior motive, then my action is technically not good? I don't believe that. That's just not reflective of reality... ok... maybe a little... But why are you so picky? Like who do think you are? God? Truth without mercy is a torment. Mercy without truth is a lie. Love always encompasses both. God is Love. “All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth” (Psalm 25) Deus caritas est.

[@CheknoEternity]

Imagine hearing everything in this video and how god is okay with slavery and you still call it “love” You’re a sick pos just like your religious god. I hope you wake up from your bull 💩 ideology. He literally murders Aaron’s son’s over a god damn mistake…a f**cking mistake!!!!!!! And you call it love…. What a pos…

[@broski365]

Oh my glob

[@japexican007]

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬-‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭18‬-‭23‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭24‬-‭29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh good point. Lol i don’t mean to be rude but quoting almost a whole chapter from a NT book in KJV with no words of your own is just not beneficial. Thanks for watching!

[@japexican007]

@@MindShift-Brandon well apologies but i believe those words speak for themselves in regard to the purpose of "The Law" and what it was meant for, i was hoping you would read the passage as to how it applies to the Torah, next time i'll be happy to add my two cents, God Bless.

[@grantrobinson9129]

Just one problem here. The Bible is 100% man-made; so that quotations from it carry no greater divine authority than quotations from, say, The Adventures of Alice in Wonderland, e.g. "Curiouser and Curiouser!", and what about "Well, I’ve had enough nonsense. I’m going home!" 😆

[@johntiggleman4686]

All I will say is I am amazed that some people still think the KJV is the best translation, when it is not.

[@wolfos420]

Nice.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks!

[@joannware6228]

“Faith is the key that puts every other truth into its proper place. Triumphs become opportunities for gratitude instead of pride. Tragedies become opportunities for growth instead of despair. Life just makes more sense and our faith in God gives us joy even when we face what can feel like insurmountable trials.” -Matt Fradd, p.96

[@joannware6228]

@MindShiftSkeptic- How cute!

[@joannware6228]

@rboland2173 Only faith reassures.

[@ifeobasa5459]

@@joannware6228 and concepts like "closure" or "acceptance" don't?

[@joannware6228]

@@ifeobasa5459 No.

[@ThroneofDavid8]

No one has more intelligence than the Author/Father of Adam and Eve.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

This is not an argument to any of the issues raised here

[@TonyLambregts]

16:00 this reminded me of a story of king Louis 14th of France's court. Apparently they put on elaborate plays. There was one costumes made out of feathers glued on with pitch. This costume caught fire and the individual was consumed in flames. That was pretty recent in the grand scheme of things. I'll see if I can find a reference.

[@TonyLambregts]

On further consideration I believe I read about in A Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman. It's a history of the 14th century Europe, an excellent read.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Love that book

[@oo1o11o]

Who was Christ?

[@mistersmith8962]

theme 1 and theme 2

[@andrewferg8737]

Old Testament Archeology, a brief sample: Sinai 361 Moses Inscription- Proto-Sinaitic alphabetic script in stone-- “Our bound servitude had lingered, Moses then provoked astonishment, it is the year of astonishment” (c.1500 BC) The Ipuwer Papyrus- Egyptian account of the Exodus “Lord of All” & "the river is blood" (c. 1500 BC) The Soleb Inscription - YHWH inscription on Amon-Re temple built by the Pharaoh Amenhotep III “land of the nomads of YHWH” (c. 1400 BC) Mt. Ebal Curse Tablet - YHW inscription on lead “you will surely die. Cursed by YHW” (c. 1400 BC-1200 BC) The Merneptah Stele - Pharaoh Merneptah “Israel is wasted, its seed is not; and Canaan is become a widow because of Egypt” (c.1208 BC) The Shishak Inscription - relief from the temple wall at Karnak built by Pharaoh Shishak “the fields of Abraham” and “highlands of David” (c.925 BC) Berlin Pedestal - cartouches inscribed into base of Egyptian victory stele, 18th Dynasty Egypt “Ashkelon” “Canaan” “Israel” (c.1550 BC-1292 BC) Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III & Annals of Shalmaneser III - Assyrian relief of King Jehu and stone tablet record of tribute “I received tribute… from Jehu of the house of Omri” (c. 841 BC) Tel Dan Stele - Canaanite inscription “I killed…king of Israel… of the House of David” (c.796 BC) The King Hezekiah Bulla - royal clay seal of 12th king of the Kingdom of Judah, King Hezekiah “Belonging to Hezekiah [son of] Ahaz, king of Judah” (c.727 BE-698 BC) The Isaiah Bulla - clay seal of the Prophet Isaiah “Belonging to prophet Isaiah” (c.700 BC) et cetera...

[@CheknoEternity]

According to the general consensus of scholarship (even critical Christian scholars), YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. His pantheon in Ugarit is called the Elohim, literally the plural of El. "When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"." "First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine. Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)." "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8). With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting." "The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins" based on the majority scholarly consensus. (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) "Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins" (A second response to Michael Heiser) "Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library." *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains 70 names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were 70 in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.) "Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library" (Mark Smith is a Catholic) "God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart" "02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82" (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) "Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan" (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") "God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost." (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) "Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters." "Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim." "Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart" "The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible." "The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri" (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) "Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia" (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") "The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical" (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch "Pagan Origins of Judaism" by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch "How Monotheism Evolved" by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch "Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)" (By a former theist) Watch "The Origins of Yahweh" by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.

[@CheknoEternity]

“However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. “(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) The Bible is immoral for its stance on slavery alone. It could have come out and abolished slavery and lead the way towards giving people human rights. Yet it copies the immoralities of the people during that time. ~=~=~=~=~=|=~=~=|=~ Exodus 21:7 "And if a man SELL his daughter to be a womanslave, she shall NOT go out [of the slave arrangement] as the manslaves do. -women slaves never had ANY option to redeem themselves as the Hebrew manslaves had. -- women, along with other multiple wives, were considered property, equivalent to livestock, children, cattle, sheep, goats, and slaves (humans owning other humans), and Concubines (2nd wives), OR, additionally, the FEMALE child sex slaves commanded to be taken by Yahweh/Jesus at Numbers 31:17-18 (KJV) "Both your manslaves and your womenslaves which you shall have, shall be of the nations around you ; of them you shall BUY menslaves and womenslaves" Leviticus 25 44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24) Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18) Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God) Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11) New Testament **Luke 17:7-10** \-- Jesus says servants (i.e. slaves) should know their place and not expect thanks for the duties they are required to perform. **Ephesians 6:5-8** \-- Slaves are to obey their masters as they would obey Christ. **Colossians 3:22** \-- Paul tells the slaves of Colosse to "obey your earthly masters." **Colossians 4:1** \-- Paul says masters should be fair to their slaves. (Tacitly endorsing the existence of slaves and masters) **1 Timothy 6:1-2** \-- Slaves should consider their masters worthy of full respect. **Titus 2:9-10** \-- In his letter, Paul instructs Titus to teach slaves to be obedient. **1 Peter 2:18** \-- Slaves, submit to your masters; even the harsh ones. When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God hands them over to you and you take them captive, suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails, discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house for a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her. (Deuteronomy 21: 10-14) The men were still "keeping" the young girls for themselves. Still rape. Not to mention the fact that they killed every little boy too. So here we have child rape and child murder. "You see, slavery was part of their culture! My deity couldn't just stop that practice!" Uh... yes it could. Your deity wields magic power and you believe your deity is morally right on all things and could've commanded it's adherence in stopping the practice, just like it did with stopping some people from eating pork and oysters.

[@andrewferg8737]

@@CheknoEternity "you may" --- Regulation does not imply approbation.

[@CheknoEternity]

@@andrewferg8737 mental gymnastics. Slavery is slavery pos

[@Kyeudo]

@@andrewferg8737 _["Regulation does not imply approbation."]_ When you are all-powerful and all-knowing and supposedly benevolent to all mankind, yes it does.

[@sdlorah6450]

The seriousness of man's sin is expounded upon in Leviticus. We tend to make light of sin, but in this book, we begin to see better how God sees it. God points to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus Christ of himself, whose shed blood was the price for our redemption, through animal sacrifice in Leviticus 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. As the blood of bulls and goats could not take away sin (see Hebrews 19:4), Jesus' blood was shed and applied on our behalf in heaven's tabernacle: Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us (Hebrews 9:12). After his sufferings and death on behalf of our sins, he rose the third day, all in accordance with the scriptures (see 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Jesus Christ is the only Savior of mankind; all men must turn to him by faith, trusting in him to save them from the wrath of God, lest they perish (John 3:16). God has already done the work; we must simply trust in him.

[@Rogstin]

*Knock Knock* _Who is there?_ *_God, let me in._* _Why?_ *_So I can save you from what I'll do if you don't._* One cannot resist an all-powerful god. All sin is only permitted because such a god allows it. No action in the universe occurs without this god's consent.

[@japexican007]

@@Rogstinindeed and one day he will stop allowing it and then you’ll complain then too

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

Ezekiel 35 - Edom must be an empty wasteland. Genesis 36 - It is Esau/Amelek who is Edom. Edom will be turned into an empty wasteland and its people will be destroyed. The Idumaeans were converted to Judaism before Jesus was born. The Roman Catholics mistakenly thought they were descended from Jacob. God has already done the work; we must simply trust in him.

[@grantrobinson9129]

The penny hasn't dropped yet (and - sadly - probably never will).

[@jaclo3112]

Sin isn't a real thing. And it's obvious jesus saved nothing. He couldn't even save himself.

[@japexican007]

Again God didn’t come to abolish physical slavery, God doesn’t want you to be attached to this corrupted world, God wants to bring you home, to heaven with him God came to redeem us from spiritual slavery “For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭7‬:‭14‬-‭25‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Carnal, sold under sin” slaves to sin “Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” ‭‭John‬ ‭8‬:‭34‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬ (Servants to sin or righteousness, slavery reference) “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6‬:‭24‬ ‭KJV‬‬ (Two masters, aka slavery)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Just enough. That excuse holds no water at all. He abolished so many other things that were far less evil. Hell id even settle for neutral but he takes the time to instruct them on the practice and thereby condoning it. It is inexcusable no matter how many games you try to play.

[@japexican007]

⁠​⁠@@MindShift-Brandon but that makes no sense You’re claiming God abolished x. Thing and allowed “physical slavery” therefore God didn’t come for spiritual redemption against the slavery of sin? But what about the reasons for allowing slavery as a means to reference the spiritual slavery that we all endure? now that we see the whole picture we can understand that no man is free, we’re all slaves to sin, slavery is merely a foreshadowing of the true slavery present in our souls Just as Abraham sacrificing his only son is a foreshadowing of God sacrificing his only begotten son, God always shows parts and shadows of things that must be fulfilled So I truly don’t understand your argument, both physical slavery had a significance of showing the true problem, not to mention perhaps it was allowed to fulfill Gods ultimate purpose Perhaps those minor things that were “abolished” had no significant effect in regards to allowing God to fulfill sending the Christ down Although as per Christ He didn’t come to abolish anything but to fulfill Also there is no way to justify that it wasn’t required for Gods plan as we have no way of knowing, furthermore as said previously you claim God abolished lesser evils I would say God allowed this lesser evil(slavery) for the purpose of conquering the absolute evil(sin) that is the actual cause of slavery, pain and suffering, your missing that point in which (sin) is the cause and slavery is merely a symptom of that cause Also just as Jesus told the individuals who asked about the wife being put away it could be that from the beginning slavery is bad but because of our hearts or (the Jews) hearts back then God allowed this to happen, see: “They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭7‬-‭8‬

[@ZeusAssassin]

I think you need to start banning people that do nothing but regurgitate Bible verses with no apparent context.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

its been an interesting dilemma. So far I have not wanted to remove or censor any part of the channel.

[@japexican007]

@@MindShift-Brandonnteresting how the atheists who claim to be truthseekers and skeptics of anything even their own beliefs first line of thinking is cut off any dialog which doesn’t agree with our stance, how ironic, As a Christian I don’t have to listen to a channel that bashes my faith and claims their view of Christianity is what I claim as a Christian, I could ignore such hateful/bias stances on such topics, but that would be doing a disservice to you who has been hurt and has suffered by people who have claimed to be Christian, I could block your content but I choose to subscribe and listen to your words because I’m not afraid of challenging my faith, and I honestly want to know what makes someone who claims to be from the same faith or was, what leads someone to depart the faith

[@japexican007]

As for “gay people” we see that this goes on even until “the last days “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬ When it comes to being in Christ yes all sin has been forgiven even any gay person can be saved but as for why we call out a “gay person” it depends what you mean, if this person is flaunting their sin as something that should be praised then yes we should call it out, I don’t ask for Christian’s to accept/allow and commend my sins because I know they are sins, furthermore those type of individuals are claiming that x sin is what God meant for them and not only so but being gay is what they associate themselves with, which I believe is what leads to the breakdown of morality, by calling evil good and good evil “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬ when someone hosts a parade and a whole month for a sin that says I like it when a guy sticks his ding dong inside my anus then I harken unto you what about that sin should Christian’s accept? You’re taking your sexual preferences and put them out in the open for others to forcefully accept your sexual desires And you’re taking your pride of how you accept your sin and want others to accept your sin I don’t understand why you believe that this specific sin should be accepted just because it was in the Old Testament and you believe it should be put away even though it’s still referenced as being part of the last days See “lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God” “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@ZeusAssassin]

Please stop. These verses don't make a lot of sense outside of making claims you can't back up outside the Bible. It's embarrassing for your faith. Shame on you.

[@japexican007]

@@ZeusAssassinnice response, feel free to add depth to your response rather than the same basic regurgitated atheist comment which adds nothing to the conversation

[@grantrobinson9129]

@@japexican007 Again, the penny hasn't dropped yet (and - sadly - probably never will 😞)

[@jaclo3112]

Being gay isn't wrong though. Thereby proving all those verses you spewed to be wrong. It's very telling that those verses don't even mention the systemic christian ritualistic practice of child rape, paedophilia and marital rape as things people shouldn't do.

[@Badficwriter]

Ohno this verse says wicked shall be...INCONTINENT! Woe! And another describes the wicked as...disobedient to parents! Alackaday! Your writer had vomit of the brain.

[@DickGallo-dk7wi]

Leviticus has ruined sooooo many good lives. F that book.