Jack Dorsey: Square, Cryptocurrency, and Artificial Intelligence | Lex Fridman Podcast #91

Jack Dorsey is the co-founder and CEO of Twitter and the founder and CEO of Square.
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
2:48 - Engineering at scale
8:36 - Increasing access to the economy
13:09 - Machine learning at Square
15:18 - Future of the digital economy
17:17 - Cryptocurrency
25:31 - Artificial intelligence
27:49 - Her
29:12 - Exchange with Elon Musk about bots
32:05 - Concerns about artificial intelligence
35:40 - Andrew Yang
40:57 - Eating one meal a day
45:49 - Mortality
47:50 - Meaning of life
48:59 - Simulation
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[@lexfridman]

I really enjoyed this conversation with Jack. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 2:48 - Engineering at scale 8:36 - Increasing access to the economy 13:09 - Machine learning at Square 15:18 - Future of the digital economy 17:17 - Cryptocurrency 25:31 - Artificial intelligence 27:49 - Her 29:12 - Exchange with Elon Musk about bots 32:05 - Concerns about artificial intelligence 35:40 - Andrew Yang 40:57 - Eating one meal a day 45:49 - Mortality 47:50 - Meaning of life 48:59 - Simulation

[@byronwilliams7977]

Love your podcast man, studying applied mathematics and hope to contribute to the sciences one day. Keep up the amazing podcast.

[@chuckdvorak6268]

It's a great pleasure to listen to your always interesting, calming voice...I feel it reflects your demeanor. You're noted as a classy dresser and somehow it doesn't define you...your genius does. Equally as remarkable is how well prepared you are, therefore, your ability to articulate your curiosity in a way to ask the correct questions from your guests. I appreciate your integrity...it's fun to see you growing!

[@HeyCharlieBrown]

Yang Gang 💯35:40

[@xxxs8309]

Well done,great interview

[@subliminalprolific.vision.7688]

Lex. Keep being you, Thank you.

[@Xceloverdose]

The quality of the guests and interviews on this podcast are outstanding. Lex really turned out to be a very interesting interviewer, getting the best out if these gifted guests.

[@russellg1473]

Xceloverdose been truly fascinating to watch the show grow into what it is now. Lex is really a gifted interviewer

[@vikranttyagiRN]

@@ansonyt3966 Absolutely right

[@johnpaul4301]

Can someone tell me what major did Lex do in college? I'm talking about the bachelors degree.

[@quinntolchin3080]

john paul computer science

[@IceColdProfessional]

I have to watch @ 1.5 speed.

[@jdthecoolguy777j]

Lex Fridman is an extremely underrated interviewer. He is an extremely intelligent, professional host. He asks the questions we all have thought of, but have never had the chance to ask. Just beautiful interviews. Thank you.

[@michaelqiu9722]

He’s ok but far from “extremely intelligent”. Garden variety nerd he is.

[@Rohonin]

​@@michaelqiu9722 I agree, I believe that he's very intelligent in an engineering sense but he's nothing special as an interviewer. I feel like he's not challenging his guests as much, the follow-up questions are not very impressive, all just feel standard and cliche: 'what do you think about UBI? , 'Automation: good, bad?'. None of his opinions was something that I haven't heard before. If you really want to listen to someone extremely intelligent checkout mindscape podcast with Sean Carrol, he was on rogan's podcast twice I think

[@BroCactus]

@@Rohonin well said

[@davidjeindl446]

@@Rohonin I really appreciate that Lex doesn't challenge his guests with pressing questions or try to go for an intellectual show-off. In these friendly, colleagueate conversations, his guests feel comfortable enough to show more of their personal identity instead of having their guard up. It seems like both parts genuinely enjoy this exchange, which makes it all the morre interesting to watch.

[@Gherodolille]

@@davidjeindl446 I agree with you. Him not challenging his guests shows more compassion and intelligence than constantly attacking their views. He knows enough to know he doesn't know a damn thing.

[@fantomet6599]

Lex this podcast has not just the best guests, but the best host as well. monumental dubs.

[@fantomet6599]

Bird okay bruh ‘some of/one of’ if that makes you feel better

[@moonman6113]

he is literally the worst of the worst... never heard person speak more monotonous

[@ankiesiii]

I love the Jeff Bezos star trek profile image

[@seesidesummerhouse6112]

Its like an intelligent version of Rogan. I know this because I only understand about 20% of it!

[@johnpaul4301]

Can someone tell me what major did Lex do in college? I'm talking about the bachelors degree.

[@SAJanth94]

That water bottle is the most silicon valley thing I've ever seen haha

[@htxtony80]

Sajanth Jaden Smith

[@anthonya9259]

"Just Water" based in Glens Falls, NY. Small city at the base of the Adirondack mountains. Will Smith is an investor.

[@jerm_]

Yeah more like the most Hollywood thing ever. I believe that's Jaden smiths brand

[@johnpaul4301]

Can someone tell me what major did Lex do in college? I'm talking about the bachelors degree.

[@brandonbarton3459]

john paul Lex did computer science from his BS to PhD at Drexel

[@MythicalCrypto]

Thank you for letting everyone sit in on these conversations!

[@mitpatel2237]

The cryptocurrency and ego conversation was brilliant. I took a lot from that. I think the perspectives that Jack offers is beyond needed.

[@opmike343]

These are historic level podcasts. Incredible stuff.

[@deregshshsbbs]

Hello Lex, I love your podcast and your MIT lectures on deep learning too. I am from Ethiopia, and Jack is right about the continent Africa's problem. I hope digital currency will solve this problem someday soon.

[@mancusjam]

Jack has his counsel and advisor in the room, check reflections.

[@ryszardbargiel7256]

@@jeetsg1316 what time? Any time the camera is on Lex. There are at least two people. Too many young people watching this. No clue how naive this Jack is, or worse. If he has the amount of power and money as some say, wow. This is not good. I skimmed around the video, but am finding his responses disturbing for someone in his position.

[@ksligh4893]

Billionaires rarely walk into a room they haven't been for an interview by themselves

[@breakfastglitter]

Obviously, all public figures have their pr team / advisors with them for interviews and such. PAs and so on.

[@ksligh4893]

@Khazuri Official you would know wouldn't you, with all your access to billionaires.

[@temphemp9251]

@@ksligh4893 you don't have to be a billionaire to know that c-suite level figures in companies in the 9+ figure have at least one aide on call or with them at all times. I've worked in multi-billion companies and startups and know for a fact that whenever press or publicity is involved there's a great amount of reviews and checks involved. You'd be an idiot as a CEO not to have a second set of ears/eyes.

[@foremarke]

Lex, thank you for continually checking your interpretation of your guest's words with them, it usually leads to a more refined, more insightful answer. I thank you because it would be so much easier for you to just agree with them and move on, nodding along, regardless of whether or not you were certain the two of you are on the same page. It isn't easy to continually submit yourself to being honest, especially with the calibre of your guests, and asking for clarification but it almost always leads to better content. Keep up the good work plz

[@greenspand]

Lex, thank you for your podcasts. They are an inspiration and they are a valuable insight of how many of your gifted guests see the world and reason about it.

[@michaeldifelice2313]

24:20 - What a great question. Was lucky enough to stumble on to this channel tonight but really looking forward to checking out other content and interviews

[@Uninen]

"By the way, you're the best dressed hacker I've ever met."

[@jambagestalten4713]

and if you turn on auto-captions it says "best Russ hacker" )))

[@edh615]

@@jambagestalten4713 lol i thought that

[@GrimSleepy]

@@radams2403 ROFL!!! That's fairly thought provoking... What I heard was, "You're the best trust hacker I've ever seen."

[@zerberus1097]

Thanks, I didn't quite understand what he said :)

[@BroncoC206]

Thanks, I never understood what he said

[@MB-hz7wm]

I’ve enjoyed watching Lex, his rapport with guests and this overall audience grow over the years. Jack was a stellar guest for this show and Lex allowed him to feel comfortable enough to open up in ways other interviewers have not (others center on Twitter instead of changing up the dynamic). This is my second time watching this. I like being able to feel the wheels turning when both of these gentleman speak . They value the graceful ebb and flow mature conversations reflect. It’s interesting to note which sections I centered on this time around based on what I’ve learned since the 1st viewing and what we’re experiencing globally during the pandemic. Well done, Lex and Jack.

[@JimsyTFT]

I swear, I love this podcast so much. Thank you Lex, you're nothing short of a gift.

[@SamWalsh1]

Great podcast Lex, I really appreciate that you ask the difficult questions, asking Dorsey about death was incredibly insightful for me, I barely ever comment but I just wanted to say thank you.

[@chesstictacs3107]

It would be fantastic to see mathematician/hedge fund manager Jim Simons on your show.

[@zsomborabraham2046]

Definitely

[@BoRisMc]

He had Ray Dalio on the podcast. Interestingly, he declared on JRE that he hated all things stock market and that he considered managers to be essentially gamblers. I wonder if that has to do with the fact that Ray, imho, behaved a little bit too alpha with Lex in his podcast, living up to expectations.

[@Yoko4797]

@@BoRisMc yeah i noticed that too. But dalio's work speaks for itself and i think he just prefers we go read em instead of asking him questions

[@joespeakman2499]

Watching interviews like this gives me hope for the future of mankind. Thank you!

[@zcai2672]

Lex is one of my favourite interviewers out there... No one in the network televisions can compare

[@steveworth5757]

I never realised how intelligent Jack Dorsey is and how well he can explain things.

[@VimDoozy]

@Koba Forever There is no such implication in the comment you are replying to. The person simply shared their surprise at Dorsey's apparent high level of intelligence and great ability to articulate ideas. Your reply is insensitive and needlessly hostile.

[@steveworth5757]

Koba Forever No, not at all, I was just really impressed by him.

[@stellapatchouli6652]

Dorsey is a genius. No doubt. I think he should shave that beard.

[@johnsmith-zd5he]

yah thats great! Just remember if this technology persists say bye bye to the freedoms of cash and being a controled bot just like they want you to be

[@xyzyzx1253]

frank johnson I’m not sure you understand how bitcoin works... Or how much fiat currency and inflation by the federal reserve undermines your buying power and freedoms as a result...

[@ChristopherFontes]

Lex, thank you for all the great podcasts! You are helping show people the light in "the craziest of places..." You're helping a lot of people look at it right. A horrible paraphrase, from a great Grateful Dead song : )

[@khhanthology8696]

Another great one, keep it up Lex! Great conversation; I've never heard from Jack before this

[@312squadron]

This outstanding, I love how deeply philosophical gets. Well done Lex 👏

[@darin_hagre]

This is an amazing dialog - one of the best episodes yet!

[@TravisGarnett]

@Darin Hagre: Agreed!! Thank-you, gentlemen.

[@richroll]

This is great. Thanks for doing this guys.

[@dailyfuturetrades4998]

Coming back here since the major tech news the last two months. In less than a year, so many changes on such a global level.

[@justinfleagle]

Subtle.

[@jaewarren9371]

49:59 The moment Lex looked up was a moment of transcendence. It was as if he had peered his head out over the dome. I got goosebumps. If anyone is, in fact, observing us, that look to the heavens was definitely noted.

[@dmurphydrtc]

Another gem. Love the format and the calibre of guests. Wonderful personal insights. Thanks.

[@AndyRutledge901]

I was just flipping through some interviews that I hadn't seen and I really started to notice how much the last year has taken a toll on everyone. It's like we did a decade of 'growing up' or matured or whatever you want to call it in just one year. Covid aged us all.

[@joshflick7045]

what an excellent interview. You're just hitting them out of the park.

[@darzyx6986]

I absolutely love the video annotations and outline, Lex.

[@aMoxii]

I love the intro music on spotify. It would be great to also have it in the KZbin version. Thanks for the great content!

[@brendanvienne90]

This channel needs to blow up

[@user-ju6zx3rm8d]

it is. Look at the amount of subs

[@joalco3]

28% of his wealth is CRAZY. Bravo

[@williambrandondavis6897]

Crazy? It's not like the guy could ever spend all of his money. It will not effect him one bit. He isn't ever even going to notice it's gone.

[@mayanksoni9046]

@@williambrandondavis6897 then you try to donate a single dollar, let alone 28% of your wealth.

[@jasonoliver6170]

@@williambrandondavis6897 Exactly, and yet so few do.

[@orlandov.5537]

Tax Heaven?

[@princeroyal7951]

@Xenomoly Bloom People like you make me sad. Such a pessimistic life. Why even bother living? Lol

[@jerm_]

Loved this one can't wait for part 2!!

[@Duskroc]

29:21 probably one of the best set of questions asked with respect to the philosophical side of things.

[@ChristianSofroni]

Love to see Lex as a host that can handle wrestling with serious minds. Joe on the other side has an audience that relates more to the “Dionysian” way of reasoning and acting. No wonder Joe was struggling making Elon feel as if he is in the right place with the support of alcohol. Either way, the world is a better place now that we have access to both Lex and Joe’s work. Thank you.

[@arizablozki9370]

Lex, I want you to know, and I am sure I can speak on behalf of all you fans. We are sending our love your way man! Your a mensch!

[@joseiraivegabaez4959]

Thank you Lex for always continuing to bring excellent content and insight. ❤️

[@aurorascofield7552]

So, It's all about connectivity, Lex and Jack really done a good talk! Appreciate it so much!

[@junnuravikumar]

35:15 watched RATATOUILLE after the interview and it is amazing.

[@hiepvu5497]

Hey Lex what a great progress you have made :)

[@griffblob]

Great conversation and well done with the questions Lex. Keep it up!

[@dilpickel22]

MAn your podcast has been popping great guests! Great work!

[@YoHViraL]

Fantastic interview ! Youre doing really well as doing this exercice

[@jennellelangrill8972]

Great interview! You’re getting better and better with each episode!

[@stefanborek7101]

Great job Lex! You are my favourite podcaster, would love to see round 2 with Jack.

[@Ms.Opportunity-og9yu]

I adore both Lex & Jack! What an incredible conversation to listen in on. I learnz so much. 😃

[@HexaSquirrel]

The guests recently have been nothing short of outstanding. Thanks, Lex!

[@ericcuellar9549]

lex!!! you are KILLIN IT

[@pandiyanp5816]

I like that 'Hire people from whom you can learn '. Many won't say it openly!

[@aaronsavant1055]

my favorite channel on KZbin Lex Fridman you are the man!

[@AnimalStoriesWithSomeFacts]

The way Jack thinks and how much clarity he has is freakish and frightening!

[@MohitSharma-hy9st]

that could be coz he's started to literally live like a monk, he went on a 10 day silent meditation trip to Myanmar (away/unhook from all technology) he eats only 7 meals a week (that's some extreme intermittent fasting) master your psychology, create an extraordinary life

[@Michsel77]

Next: "The following is a conversation with Alan Turing"

[@MWang-ne9ze]

I really enjoyed the part that you guys discuss about the relationship between AI recommendation and self awareness.

[@bharathmshetty]

Lex, Thanks for the talk with Jack.

[@Explain5AI]

Lex you're on the ball with this one ! great content

[@islammohamed1441]

Synergy: Crypto, Square, Starlink Crypto: borderless currency Square: accessible borderless financial transaction Starlink: accessible borderless internet access

[@tonydeveyra4611]

the modern economy is a wwe tag team match between Jack & Elon and Zuck & Bezos.

[@bergssprangare]

Mr Islam..is it haram?

[@islammohamed1441]

bergssprangare Ask a theologian. I’m a scientist.

[@ManasturNights]

Too bad Starlink is going to pollute the night sky. Like Travis Longcore said, "Starlink is a crime against humanity; it robs us of the skies of our ancestors to every corner of the earth".

[@islammohamed1441]

@@ManasturNights Urban light and particulate pollution did that a long time ago. Nice misdirection there.

[@guanglefan9266]

Thanks for adding time table!

[@sean631]

Next Up: Interviewing every single American President simultaneously, both alive and dead

[@RyanIsAPro]

Lexxx with the heavy hitters 💪🏼👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🥳

[@duderadley2383]

I’m so grateful great information like this is out there

[@Travthewhite]

Thank you for the love Lex you the shit!

[@Steph1]

“The risk that we lose our self awareness” and “The self awareness is now outside ourselves and it’s doing such a better job” Words that might define the 21st century: the potential fall of mankind as we both create the next leading entity and “evolve backwards” ourselves

[@williamoseghare8584]

Jack ended the conversation with such a savvy and apt joke! Great Interview Lex!!

[@brucewayne8955]

Thank you Lex for existing!

[@cbaucoable]

Great interview - real interesting

[@consensusg9226]

Lex Fridman is one of those people who's voice actually matches their face. I have listened to his podcast for years, so when I finally saw his face, I was like, "Yeah, that seems about right."

[@ammedia9870]

You mean the softness of his voice matches that of his eyes

[@austinm419]

Thank you for asking about his thoughts on Yang and UBI. The sooner we wrap our heads around issues related to human labor vs human value the better.

[@marchorsting8059]

Yang gang forever

[@SafetyLucas]

Universal basic income will cost a fortune, disincentivize work, and most importantly not lead to a fulfilling life. People who do not work but are able should not receive income. Before the coronavirus pandemic happened, unemployment levels were at record lows. There is no need for UBI any time soon if ever.

[@quasmoke3553]

@@MusicalMemeology That's nominal unemploymemt rate though. A lot of these are contractor jobs, and many people need to do several jobs just to get by. Not to mention a lot of white collar cognitive jobs will be replaced by AI so even if we don't do UBI now, making it a mainstream idea for people to consider is a good idea imo.

[@quasmoke3553]

@@SafetyLucas UBI in my opinion actually gives you more freedom of work. UBI is not supposed to make you live a luxurious life without work but to cover the minimum so that you can choose to pursue what you want to do. So UBI does not disincentivize work, but rather incentivize people to do the work they want to. I mean it's not like people don't have hobbies. Also, at the bare minimum, UBI is a huge economic stimulus that itself would create jobs. For instance, you want to start a bakery, but at the moment it may be a bad idea, but if people have more purchasing power, starting a bakery may not be a bad idea. In the end, working people are going to spend the majority of their income, so injecting cash directly to people's hand is the most effective economic stimulus.

[@chunchuanlv3211]

@@SafetyLucas In standard economics theory, people are incentivized by marginal benefit, and UBI does not change your maiginal income/labor. In fact, the point is to replace the current complicated welfare, which does deincentivize work through effective marginal tax rate over 100%.

[@cyral_u]

This podcast was so "tame" lol both their personality are so calm this was a very relaxing but intense podcast

[@Ecclesia.777]

Zzzzzzz

[@Soothsayer210]

Thx for the Time Stamps. Great video. !!!

[@stylinandraciallyprofilin6995]

Jack Dorsey is a modern day book burner.

[@stellapatchouli6652]

@Xenomoly Bloom whose his connection? Name please.

[@GK_Imagimotion]

@Xenomoly BloomCould you actually name at least one famous person without any kind of connections?

[@vinster9165]

Jack promotes censorship for some but not others based on politicals

[@oivamickelsson3864]

@@vinster9165 Free market economy and free speech. If you have a problem with this particular company move to a different platform like 4chan.

[@xyzyzx1253]

Vincent Chubbs shutting down fascists isnt anti free speech. Fascists are not engaging in the free market of ideas with the intent of maintaining the free market of ideas, If you let those ideas get spoken and spread enough, they’ll shut down everyone else’s ability to have free speech. If your free speech is intentionally motivated to drive the development of an ethnostate by spreading propaganda on social media platforms, Fascists engage with media platforms to get a platform for their ideas to spread. Liberally defending fascist rhetoric allows it to spread, If you don’t want fascism to spread, don’t give it a platform. They have every right to tell the fascists to fuck off. It’s the right thing to do imo

[@datmesay]

That was fast !

[@stark1862]

Enjoyed this meaningful and productive conversation.

[@cidadaoPPT]

This was absolutely amazing!

[@randomsitisee7113]

Omg this channel hits all of my interests. Why am i only finding it now!!!

[@chouhanaryan]

That way that Jack doesn't move his hands at all freaks me out a little bit.

[@curmudgeon1933]

@A C. I'd be interested in your opinion of Trump's 'air accordion' hand movements, which he employs whenever he presents 'alternative facts'.

[@anewcreature7]

Better than those people who move their hands all over the place whenever they speak.

[@HardcoreGamer101508]

@Amusis Uh no, public speakers use hands a lot.

[@reasonablespeculation3893]

Hah ! interesting; Hand movement and grunts,, our first communication method. Those who communicated most effectively had reproductive advantage. Those who had a genetic tendency toward such emotive movement passed on the trait. No longer necessary in language communication,,, but it can be used for enhancement.

[@jerrybender6633]

@Bob Jones please see tesla bruh on yoututhe but only if u have lots of nerves left

[@Kakerate2]

31:38 woah, as a game dev this advice is both really relevant and deeply introspective.

[@stefanbaumann520]

Splendid content - thank you!

[@neolynxer]

It so sad Lex did not have a chance to talk to Freeman Dyson.

[@lexfridman]

Yes. It breaks my heart. Podcast or not, I wish I could've met him and shaken his hand.

[@bkkz6769]

@@lexfridman Don't miss out on Bill Gates, Elon and Zuck. We can also try to learn from big brothers like Larry Ellison.

[@rishab2121]

@@lexfridman bring sergey brin and larry page to talk.

[@zsomborabraham2046]

@@bkkz6769 yep, get Larry Ellison on. Fascinating guy, but zero good interviews with him.

[@bkkz6769]

@@rishab2121 yes these too

[@dayneodendaal4772]

Simon Sinek talks about trust in a very similar way: trust is given, mistrust earned. I think it’s phenomenal that Jack and the team at Square have taken this approach. It’s a choice to believe that people are inherently good.

[@TheJessicagardner]

Great interview :) Thanks @LexFridman and @Jack

[@IvanIvanov-yd2wv]

Awesome podcast with one of the great ones of our time!

[@scififan698]

You mean that dictator fascist censoring hipster? Sheeeshhh

[@jiyangchen3472]

Cmon, Ratatouille is amazing! Lex, you gotta give it another chance. I think the older you get the more you'll find meaning in it.

[@VASKAS100]

Petition for Lex to get Andreas Antonopoulos on the show!

[@lucifel1004]

insightful interview! thank you so much guys!

[@ricmrodrigues]

This was really great Lex, thank you both.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

7.2k views after 2 hours? How is this not in the hundreds of thousands?? This channel will keep growing for sure, amazing stuff.

[@Kopern1k990]

We should make the bets on who Lex will bring next!

[@datmesay]

Sergey Brin

[@NolanAtlas]

Mark Zuckerberg

[@seanfitzgerald4207]

Jeff Dean

[@shellrox2878]

Richard Feynman

[@davidbudo5551]

Dr. Michael Woodley

[@btucke7]

havent seen this feature where the bottom scroll shows which topic is being covered...gonna be a game changer

[@fenilparekh4439]

Really good Podcast, thank you Lex.

[@avi-ventures]

Incredible, please can you experiment with the idea of having a 2+ guest podcast. An Elon and jack in one room, something that just explores the creative minds of such fantastic guests.

[@jperin001]

Yang gang was here!

[@chrisvawdrey2810]

Learning and creating at Jack's level would be addictive to the extreme at the ultimate cost of us mere mortals. Why wouldn't you take that path

[@user-ju6zx3rm8d]

wow, this podcast is really blowing up now. congrats! :)

[@thoughtpolease7183]

You guys could've explained the can of "Liquid Death" on the table

[@Rohonin]

hipster beer/ energy drink prolly

[@deanwcampbell]

No questions regarding censorship, miss-use of power or anything difficult. This was nothing more than a cream-filled, pat you on the back interview.

[@grantspeer6149]

While I agree, I don’t think jack would have agreed to be interviewed if so.

[@emrazum]

best podcast on youtube by far. always so meta

[@faithjacobs522]

Really enjoying this interchange... Thanks

[@nftmaster2050]

Maybe I‘m too curious, but what would the (at least) two others in the room do? Might that be guys from legal and PR? Is it typical for such important persons to have them around for podcasts?

[@UserName-ii1ce]

Bodyguards cause Jack is literally talking to Hitman

[@user-ju6zx3rm8d]

I was noticing that too. There is a woman and a man there. The woman, is probably his lawyer//that woman who appeared with him on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. Making sure that anything Jack says that could cause legal or financial trouble for him or Square and Twitter, will not make it to the final edited podcast which is released online.