George Hotz: Hacking the Simulation & Learning to Drive with Neural Nets | Lex Fridman Podcast

[@lexfridman]

Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Four Sigmatic: foursigmatic.com/lex and use code LexPod to get up to 40% & free shipping - Decoding Digital: appdirect.com/decoding-digital - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod and use code LexPod to get 3 months free 2:31 - Will human civilization destroy itself? 5:18 - Where are the aliens? 10:05 - Tic Tac UFO and Bob Lazar 12:33 - Conspiracy theories 14:36 - The programming language of life 18:57 - The games that humans play 27:27 - Memory leaks in the simulation 29:58 - Theories of everything 31:43 - Ethereum startup story 39:30 - Cryptocurrency 48:57 - Self-help advice 52:37 - Comma.ai 54:30 - Comma two 1:03:19 - Tesla vs Comma.ai 1:12:22 - Driver monitoring 1:26:03 - Communicating uncertainty 1:27:51 - Tesla Dojo 1:34:19 - Tesla Autopilot big rewrite 1:40:37 - How to install the Comma Two 1:45:13 - Openpilot is Android & Autopilot is iOS 1:54:28 - Waymo 2:05:41 - Autonomous driving and society 2:07:53 - Moving 2:10:58 - Advice to Startups 2:24:00 - Programming setup 2:27:01 - Ideas that changed my life 2:35:06 - GPT-3 2:38:26 - AGI 2:42:29 - Programming languages that everyone should learn 2:49:02 - How to learn anything 2:51:34 - Book recommendations 2:59:57 - Love 3:01:46 - Psychedelics 3:04:07 - Crazy

[@rileykilgore3724]

Tesla earnings call and then this drops, today’s a good day. Thanks Lex!!

[@r-gart]

Timestamps are wrong, Lex.

[@lexfridman]

Sorry, timestamps were all off. I fixed them. I had a bug in my code (both my own neural network and the Python script used to manage timestamps).

[@Circbent]

You might like the Culture series by Iain M. Banks.

[@PositronQ]

The New Travel you can download the KZbin API in Python and implement in your videos like timestamp or changes titles in the screen

[@found_documents]

I went to high school with George in New Jersey and can remember him failing science class/always getting in trouble for being distracted and bored with school. It’s really great seeing him achieve so much success by focusing on what interests him rather than taking a conventional path. It’s a shame that so many kids are turned off by science and math class at such a young age by how poorly the subjects are often taught. It goes to show you that you should never take failing a high school or college class too seriously. Sometimes it can even be a badge of honor.

[@found_documents]

@@ConsciousnessExplored Glen Rock Public High School

[@SecretMarsupial]

@@found_documents You’re a cool human

[@emenikeanigbogu9368]

YESIIRRRRR

[@spyce1102]

If my kid ever gets a bad grade I tell her “you’re still a good kid and I love you no matter what” but then we go home to study that darn boring subject that I’d probably fail too if I were in her shoes. 😅

[@forloop7713]

@@spyce1102 or not study as it is a useless subject

[@TwoMinutePapers]

I've been really waiting for this one. It was as spicy as expected, great interview, thank you! 🙏

[@gm323k4]

Me too. Haven‘t watched it yet but I bet its as interesting as their last conversation. I love your videos btw, keep going!

[@rogerab1792]

huge fan of Geohotz and Two Minute Papers🙏both making immense real change! Lex too obviously!

[@carlrodalegrado4104]

What a time to be alive

[@crosstuck]

Best Ai podcast ever ☺️

[@JacobBrunsonBurner]

Hold onto your papers: Two Minute Papers is a Lex Fridman fan!

[@dannybrown5205]

Lex I just have to say I really appreciate the timestamps. Thank you for the content.

[@ciarfah]

@Joe Pak How can I apply machine learning to timestamps? Lol

[@hpahpa6506]

@@ciarfah - Label Data - Speech to Text - BERT - Done.

[@marketedgetrading]

Life changing experiences: 1. Eliezer Yudkowsky framework for the singularity 2. Hutter prize - AI is just compression 3. Unqualified Reservations blog Book recommendations: 1. Infinite Jest - David Foster Wallace 2. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand 3. Permutation City - Greg Egan 4. The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect - Roger Williams 5. Neuromancer - William Gibson 6. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson 7. Bronze Age Mindset Programming Language Recommendations: 1. Assembly 2. C 3. Python 4. Haskell 5. Pytorch Thank you for the interview Lex and George!

[@kruptworld]

you are a lifesaver! i was trying to figure out what he said!!!

[@loserdavictor]

thanks, much appreciated 🐧🐧

[@jawokenn8766]

> bronze age mindset 🤣

[@stefandili2650]

"Build technology, and don't lie" This is actually extremely good advice Mr. Hotz!

[@mrdbourke]

2:12:44 - "The better technology always wins. Lying always loses. Build technology and don't lie."... worth putting on the wall

[@Xishnik94]

@Katka Švecová VHS is not the 'better' technology in any sense lol.

[@blo0mfilter868]

@Katka Švecová because of porn lol

[@IgnatiusCheese]

Nah Windows, VHS, all new cars

[@chavdarnaidenov2661]

The tech that won is called better, often as a consolation for the loss of diversity. E.g. in most big cities the car displaced the bicycle thanks to it's flaws: it's dangerous bulk, long brake-distance and poisonous fumes. We call the earlier the worse because it's comforting to view the later as the better. Many want to believe in automatic prosperity. We saw lately, that the "social technique"of quarantining and maintaining emergency medical supplies has been LOST to the Western World like the secret of the building methods of Ancient Egypt. And when we often hear that knowledge can be "too much" and people can be "overqualified", it's a symptom the poles have reversed.

[@thebeanymac]

Hello, these are my robots. Not gonna lie - they're gonna wipe us out.

[@joopvanroy6599]

I like how George seems full of himself at first glance but if you listen closer he's actually very humble.

[@Whynot83848]

This.

[@LucidDreamn]

hes just very smart and his mouth can barely keep up with his brain. Elon has the same problem but it just comes off as him being awkward

[@aaronmotta7028]

True confidence is just intelligence being perceived by the younger intelligence.

[@Epileptick0]

It's because he has very little ego and thinks like a machine. That shows in his face.

[@aaronmotta7028]

@@Epileptick0 absolutely. confidence in itself is made of ZERO ego, but intelligence, which you can only truly obtain after you've shed ego. In fact, confidence is just the illusion that intelligence leaves behind on those who can't let go of ego.

[@sssloe]

The first one with George, I came back to it multiple times. Giving this one a listen ASAP

[@skoto8219]

Same, listened straight through three or four times. So much in there.

[@Alashure6]

Good to know I'm not alone here

[@salocin911]

excited to listen. loved the first one. i thought i was the only who listened multiple times.

[@MickDavies]

Yep same

[@Ahliddin007]

2:44:05 "I'm not a great Haskell programmer. I wrote a compiler in Haskell once"

[@eaojnr]

There is no doubt, Goerge is a connected brain. Enjoy his talk almost always, the depth, flattery, the dimensions and most importantly the abnormal approach to viewing our world.

[@steqhers]

i went on a date with George Hotz at 19, was chaotic and he was yelling at me all night. Couldnt handle being wrong, said sex trafficking isnt in America, yeah right. Gaslighting someone who talked to the FBI about their own sex trafficking and them comfirming it isnt cute. Made me cry when i didnt want to, just to say so what. I didn't know him but he acted like i was supposed to, his profile said famous hacker-I just registered it as pedophile. I found out he drugged my water, and told people I slept with him. At the end of the dinner date I had given him a hug goodbye thinking nothing of it but there was a pinch of my hair and i thought it was a normal hug. He called me a tool and looked pissed off when he walked away, I did nothing to offend him. A year later I started seeing him outside my nana's home in belmont shores outside our gate, I met him in San Diego, I never gave him my address either. All my devices were hacked, our smart tv, my sisters laptop, and my phone-all my accounts. I would be alone with my 97 year old nana with dementia in the living room to having my tv play second long disturbing snipits out of nowhere and i could do nothing but freeze and watch it. It felt like he was in my phone camera, like a sixth sense you just have. Weird things would pop up in my phone and in the house. I walked by my sisters laptop to have a snipit of snoopdog play saying youre a bitch. Weird things started happening and this was around the time he came out with the video about Dharma, the spirit world. I think he did freemasonry on me. Right at my nanas room in the doorway where i sleep with her, I felt i was held down for hours at night by a extreme force being made to answer truth or false to every sin and wrong and right i ever committed. on the cross i would either pass the -- bridge or fall into hell |. Was a horrible experience when you dont know what's happening and i would be asked so quickly and it was like someone or something else was answering for me, so many past events i didnt even know how to answer to. One morning I was laying in bed with my sleeping sister and I felt my organs being twisted and turned and pulled. Like my heart down to my vagina. It felt like they came out like stuffing, right out of me. (NSFW) Right after that It felt like i was being raped by an invisible force and i ran down the hallway to my nanas room, where i fell on the bed and it eventually stopped. from there i felt a stitch in my stomach, across my stomach where my bellybutton is. Like it would be pulled and my body would twitch and flinch at the strings. I would feel the string pulled a lot, the cinch every so often at my side. Like a month or so after this I felt claws in my stomach like the scene from American Horror Story. I wasnt pregnant, but these are things i wouldnt wish on anybody. Doing voodoo on a random civilian you dont know? I cuddle the cross at night now and I found out a lot about him. Like he went to Epsteins island and is a literal sex trafficker himself. He brags about watching Child p0rn and acts like two different people on and offline. On the date he bragged about being in the cloud, i thought he meant cloud 9. Nope. Hope justice comes to him everyday of his life

[@Boog1430]

"Python is so much better than lawyers" -- George Hotz -- Wayne Gretzky -- Michael Scott

[@saintangels]

read it as "python is much slower than lawyers" and thought "can't be THAT slow!"

[@Cuyt24]

Python is magical animal. My uncle in Florida is a big snake fan. He owns two Pythons.

[@brandonkirincich8181]

@Wrulol That exists. It's still slow though.

[@MrRolnicek]

@Wrulol And that's why you learn Verilog or VHDL ... Think fast ... no no, FASTER ... faster still ... good, then start overclocking the shit out of it.

[@MrRolnicek]

@Wrulol Well ... of course it is. .. technically.. you can even use it to make an x86 processor if you want.

[@huszartony4362]

The way you guys looked outside the window while conversing made it so much more relaxing for some reason.

[@keithkatane4854]

Dude!

[@ernstgumrich5614]

one could see that they were pondering and did not throw out pre-fab answers.

[@elliotparker7504]

I'm buying a suit and tie as per MIB

[@christianalcala4565]

I only noticed Lex look out the window constantly and avoid eye contact pretty much the entire interview which made it hard for me to pay attention cuz when you talk to someone typically u look at them. Reminds me of a little kid too afraid to ask an authority figure for something so they stare at their shoes as they mumble out a query. Haha

[@danipaolli8007]

@@christianalcala4565 it bothered me too. It's strange that he's avoiding eye contact with George when he didn't do this with much more intimidating people, like Elon

[@unreactive]

"I don't care about self-driving cars. The real reason I'm doing it is to help solve General Intelligence." I love his honesty and being so straight forward.

[@tonyh1345]

Do we really want AGI though? I think we’d be just fine with narrow AI. AGI has the potential to become a species level risk.

[@semtex6412]

@@tonyh1345 precisely! but it's nonetheless interesting. and i think great minds like this "species" interviewed in the video won't stop progressing based on that risk.

[@yashaswikulshreshtha1588]

@@tonyh1345 Who cares even if it becomes risk, at least I don't. Don't you crave for that sci fi reality.

[@tonyh1345]

@@yashaswikulshreshtha1588 hell can also be a simulated sci fi reality in which you’re imprisoned forever. AGI can put us there

[@yashaswikulshreshtha1588]

@@tonyh1345 But you will realize it's simulated after all, and you can get out of there. It's not bounding you with physical laws of nature unlike simulation

[@gregorystocker971]

I love that this guy is not afraid to have lofty goals. Issac Newton also wanted to become immortal. Shooting for the stars and landing on the moon is better than never trying to travel up, and if enough people think like this, then maybe one day we might just make it to the stars.

[@steqhers]

i went on a date with George Hotz at 19, was chaotic and he was yelling at me all night. Couldnt handle being wrong, said sex trafficking isnt in America, yeah right. Gaslighting someone who talked to the FBI about their own sex trafficking and them comfirming it isnt cute. Made me cry when i didnt want to, just to say so what. I didn't know him but he acted like i was supposed to, his profile said famous hacker-I just registered it as pedophile. I found out he drugged my water, and told people I slept with him. At the end of the dinner date I had given him a hug goodbye thinking nothing of it but there was a pinch of my hair and i thought it was a normal hug. He called me a tool and looked pissed off when he walked away, I did nothing to offend him. A year later I started seeing him outside my nana's home in belmont shores outside our gate, I met him in San Diego, I never gave him my address either. All my devices were hacked, our smart tv, my sisters laptop, and my phone-all my accounts. I would be alone with my 97 year old nana with dementia in the living room to having my tv play second long disturbing snipits out of nowhere and i could do nothing but freeze and watch it. It felt like he was in my phone camera, like a sixth sense you just have. Weird things would pop up in my phone and in the house. I walked by my sisters laptop to have a snipit of snoopdog play saying youre a bitch. Weird things started happening and this was around the time he came out with the video about Dharma, the spirit world. I think he did freemasonry on me. Right at my nanas room in the doorway where i sleep with her, I felt i was held down for hours at night by a extreme force being made to answer truth or false to every sin and wrong and right i ever committed. on the cross i would either pass the -- bridge or fall into hell |. Was a horrible experience when you dont know what's happening and i would be asked so quickly and it was like someone or something else was answering for me, so many past events i didnt even know how to answer to. One morning I was laying in bed with my sleeping sister and I felt my organs being twisted and turned and pulled. Like my heart down to my vagina. It felt like they came out like stuffing, right out of me. (NSFW) Right after that It felt like i was being raped by an invisible force and i ran down the hallway to my nanas room, where i fell on the bed and it eventually stopped. from there i felt a stitch in my stomach, across my stomach where my bellybutton is. Like it would be pulled and my body would twitch and flinch at the strings. I would feel the string pulled a lot, the cinch every so often at my side. Like a month or so after this I felt claws in my stomach like the scene from American Horror Story. I wasnt pregnant, but these are things i wouldnt wish on anybody. Doing voodoo on a random civilian you dont know? I cuddle the cross at night now and I found out a lot about him. Like he went to Epsteins island and is a literal sex trafficker himself. He brags about watching Child p0rn and acts like two different people on and offline. On the date he bragged about being in the cloud, i thought he meant cloud 9. Nope. Hope justice comes to him everyday of his life

[@InfoJunky]

You could have George on every week and I'd love it every time! He's the best!

[@steqhers]

i went on a date with George Hotz at 19, was chaotic and he was yelling at me all night. Couldnt handle being wrong, said sex trafficking isnt in America, yeah right. Gaslighting someone who talked to the FBI about their own sex trafficking and them comfirming it isnt cute. Made me cry when i didnt want to, just to say so what. I didn't know him but he acted like i was supposed to, his profile said famous hacker-I just registered it as pedophile. I found out he drugged my water, and told people I slept with him. At the end of the dinner date I had given him a hug goodbye thinking nothing of it but there was a pinch of my hair and i thought it was a normal hug. He called me a tool and looked pissed off when he walked away, I did nothing to offend him. A year later I started seeing him outside my nana's home in belmont shores outside our gate, I met him in San Diego, I never gave him my address either. All my devices were hacked, our smart tv, my sisters laptop, and my phone-all my accounts. I would be alone with my 97 year old nana with dementia in the living room to having my tv play second long disturbing snipits out of nowhere and i could do nothing but freeze and watch it. It felt like he was in my phone camera, like a sixth sense you just have. Weird things would pop up in my phone and in the house. I walked by my sisters laptop to have a snipit of snoopdog play saying youre a bitch. Weird things started happening and this was around the time he came out with the video about Dharma, the spirit world. I think he did freemasonry on me. Right at my nanas room in the doorway where i sleep with her, I felt i was held down for hours at night by a extreme force being made to answer truth or false to every sin and wrong and right i ever committed. on the cross i would either pass the -- bridge or fall into hell |. Was a horrible experience when you dont know what's happening and i would be asked so quickly and it was like someone or something else was answering for me, so many past events i didnt even know how to answer to. One morning I was laying in bed with my sleeping sister and I felt my organs being twisted and turned and pulled. Like my heart down to my vagina. It felt like they came out like stuffing, right out of me. (NSFW) Right after that It felt like i was being raped by an invisible force and i ran down the hallway to my nanas room, where i fell on the bed and it eventually stopped. from there i felt a stitch in my stomach, across my stomach where my bellybutton is. Like it would be pulled and my body would twitch and flinch at the strings. I would feel the string pulled a lot, the cinch every so often at my side. Like a month or so after this I felt claws in my stomach like the scene from American Horror Story. I wasnt pregnant, but these are things i wouldnt wish on anybody. Doing voodoo on a random civilian you dont know? I cuddle the cross at night now and I found out a lot about him. Like he went to Epsteins island and is a literal sex trafficker himself. He brags about watching Child p0rn and acts like two different people on and offline. On the date he bragged about being in the cloud, i thought he meant cloud 9. Nope. Hope justice comes to him everyday of his life

[@moosegoose1282]

“As an introvert this interview is very costly” lmfao sooo true bro.

[@joemason31]

haha, when is this said?

[@hempwick8203]

is this a reference to introverts needing to recharge? I'm only 1m in

[@DweeD1516]

@@hempwick8203 yes

[@RR-et6zp]

we're a social species with our time alone, you're not special, psychology is BS, biology is true

[@sasagrcevic475]

He is not an introvert or he doesnt understand what it means.

[@omarnomad]

2:42:42 About the programming languages you should learn in order to understand modern stack from first principles. - Assembly - C - Python - PyTorch (Software 2.0) - Haskell (Functional Programming) - Coq (Dependently Typed) - Verilog

[@Haos666]

No Rust??

[@omarnomad]

@@Haos666 can you elaborate why do you think is important from a first principles' perspective? Don't know too much about Rust but read good things about it.

[@tonyh1345]

Couldn’t I just start with python?

[@omarnomad]

@@tonyh1345 Sure! I think his comments are more about really understanding computers and systems from first principles to all the way up. Let me know if you want help with your python project, I can give you a hand.

[@jeremyschoffen413]

I'd put lisp on the list... I am a snob that way :)

[@AndyChamberlainMusic]

Lex looking out of a window and saying "I fell in love with Lisp, the heart wants what the heart wants" is peak this podcast

[@jonathanjarvis1878]

got a timestamp?

[@LadislavGalik]

@@jonathanjarvis1878 2:26:00

[@viadharmawheel]

Gotta let Lisp go just like HAL 9000. Want something different, learn Haskell which is the mathematics of programming. Or if you want to stick with Python you can do a lot, try meta programming.

[@remyclarke4020]

​@@denijane89 I've been using Vim, and I tried Emacs. It might seem weird, but it was the first time I felt like my keyboard was powerful. I'm only a newbie, but it is just fun to use Vim like an instrument. It's kind of like playing guitar, or something. Do you need it? No. But it is simple, extensible and enjoyable. But it requires some practice. To be fair, it's "expert" software, not in the sense that it is elite, just that it is very pragmatic yet simple, and extensible once you learn the setup. I must have spent a week or two on both emacs and vim, looking up for tips and the like before getting used to either. In the end it doesn't really matter, because the bottleneck for programming isn't typing anyways, so everyone should use what they find most comfortable.

[@nickfrederiksen4763]

Amazing conversation guys! It's like two roommates at uni, late at night. Love the connection and content. Thanks Gents.

[@mkballer4502]

only with the difference that lex is a con.

[@catalystlover]

@@mkballer4502​​⁠you have 32 comments on this channel, and they are all hateful. what a pathetic and bitter life you must live. i can see why you have a positive affirmation playlist, but maybe instead you should adopt a better mindset.

[@theonewhobringstruth6102]

I love how lex makes his videos into segments so we can go listen to certain conversations in videos. That extra edit is so helpful for a learning experience. The show should be called the lex fridman learning experience like rogan hahahahha

[@skepsis12]

Dear God... I didn't think I could love your podcast anymore... Then you go and hit me with Diablo 2 cow level metaphor for life.. Jesus man, I'd love to have a few beers with you bahahaha.

[@mgp5555]

Lol I agree that was great

[@laurasalo6160]

"Anymore" or "any more"?

[@erichchan3]

When I used to have someone helped me with "cow level" when I created a new character I would call it "power leveling" in Hell mode.

[@penguinista]

"That's interesting. Let me translate that: You haven't really thought about what you do systematically." at 49:45. Hats off to Lex.

[@RealOne697]

Hey Lex how about a podcast with Peter Thiel, i think he would be a fascinating guest.

[@goofeydude22]

This guy kinda reminds me of Thiel in the sense that he is constantly speaking about context and frameworks.

[@FORTEPodcast]

I know nothing about computer science. I host an arts podcast. But the conversation style really has me hooked to learn more about things I have no clue about and take it as inspiration for my podcast! Thanks for your tremendous work Lex - hope to meet you one day!

[@martiruhay]

"Sorry divorce lawyers, you are gonna be replaced by Python."

[@enveabaculak3962]

by ethereum

[@Steven19886]

@@BGMzRahii2k9 yeah, like the machines are not made by humans

[@lachlanblennerhassett6410]

2:17:57: "If the human species is going to survive, we should celebrate success." - Lex Fridman edit: You do inspire us (the world) Lex! Thanks for the podcast.

[@mkballer4502]

Lex is mega fake

[@mrdbourke]

1:01:30 - "In supervised learning, the weights depend on the data, in reinforcement learning, the data depends on the weights..."

[@sammysam2615]

George talking like he wants the Infinity Gauntlet

[@RHYTE]

he is so incredibly based i love him

[@RetroRedline]

Please have George on again, I could listen to both of you talk all day long. Great episode!

[@abhiz93]

Let it be said. The most awaited podcast of 2020 was Lex Fridman & George Hotz. Literally, two intelligent intuitive people just communicating ideas about the status quo of the world & the potential humanity has to reach its pinnacle. Truly. Much awaited collaboration.

[@seanj6333]

It's funny, this guy looks like a regular bro, but that brief visual first impression shatters as soon as you hear him speak

[@211212112]

Well ya know...

[@chhimi4025]

Everyone who comes on lex's podcast are nerdy as hell, it shouldnt be surprising.

[@chhimi4025]

@Aidan Hannah I agree I should've said "most", but imo Ryan hall felt a lil nerdy as well , I dont mean it in a bad way tho. It's people who are really into what they do who make the world go round so hurray to being a nerd.

[@valentinfontanger4962]

In a world flooded by low quality content, this is gold

[@fragmentedunity8694]

Ya

[@maibster]

Are you saying that its only gold compares to the low quality content? Because I think this is simply objectively incredible and as close to perfection as humanly possible

[@HipHopMafiaGang]

In a world with enough high-quality content to spend numerous lifetimes consuming, this is gold.

[@lululuna5774]

“Being right is super important except at the expense of being wrong.”

[@agustinvera1772]

I thought this guy was nuts, but he is a brilliant guy. I am glad, Lex, you interviewed him again. Thanks for your perfectionism and hard work!

[@ninjachan6171]

This is amazing to listen to Lex challenging George Hotz's ideas and having fun!

[@mrdbourke]

1:36:03 - George is so stoked to announce "we switched from TensorFlow to PyTorch" hahaha

[@QazJer]

Me with a degree in computer science: I know some of these words

[@1999_reborn]

Did you enjoy studying comp sci? Also how difficult was it?

[@rishabhghosh155]

@@1999_reborn if you're intrigued by the magic behind computers, and then take in the fact that a computer only ever knows 0 and 1, it'll be a fun ride!

[@aes9217]

Degree in commenting?

[@tonyh1345]

@@rishabhghosh155 life is bits and everything can be digitized. Neat stuff

[@mysecondaccount7887]

If you're a super curious person, computer science can be a great place to start because it has applications in more fields than most As for difficulty, just get accepted into a good school or with a high entry margin otherwise, and you'll be fine

[@AleksandreMzhavia]

This is one of the most interesting guests you've had.

[@FlorentBerthet]

1:54:23 "Google has declined so fast in the last 5 years" --> I would have loved George to elaborate on this. I think Lex sometimes misses good opportunities to ask "Tell me more" when a guest says something interesting.

[@mmddyyyy-his]

i don't know about this too, but since he's fans of hackernews maybe this is what he's referring news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21382310

[@spoorthyv]

He talks about it a bit in a recent interview with dave lee

[@jackstrada5263]

So many interviewers do this. They can’t quickly assess that just because they aren’t interested in hearing more, their viewers aren’t.

[@willd.8040]

I'm reading this before the interview gets to that point, but I've actually thought this myself recently. Maybe it's not true, but it SEEMS as if they're not innovating at the same rate or scale as they were for their first 15-20 years. I wonder if they just reached a point where they can't keep making the same kinds of leaps just because the technology needs to catch up, or get ahead enough for them to leverage it to become as innovative as they had always been before.

[@JOOOOOOOE]

George Hotz love him or hate him, he is a fantastic mind.

[@kevinhoalcraft]

Who would hate! Why?

[@I2yantheGreat]

Only morons hate George

[@madeonearth6506]

I finally know who jailbroke all our iPhones years ago ! 👌

[@drublod530]

And a narcissist, spitting bullshit.

[@SolvingTheMoneyProblem]

This will be fun!

[@PyjamasBeforeChrist]

Hey mate. You might be interested in this recent chat with Jeff Dahn kzbin.info/www/bejne/poC0goetjtCaZpo

[@yongpark5302]

Just like Elon, his heart is in the right place. Good to see you here.

[@johnkechagais7096]

It was brilliant

[@swaggerrhinolol5100]

Their iq is larger than the iq of all of Wall St. analysts combined. LoL

[@duplexdown]

tesla needs to come around to his approach to driving

[@bassNY]

why does this guy's thumbnail always look like he's fronting a metal band?

[@krispenev9935]

Hahahah

[@blo0mfilter868]

@Barret Wallace his instagram is meant to make fun of social media influencers. though in one of his coding streams he said he wouldnt mind getting more followers because "it makes me look legit when I slip in those DMs"

[@aaron4820]

@Rocky Dennis We should all be more like Rocky Dennis, look forward to your interview with Lex.

[@afz902k]

I fail to see that, I guess we might have different opinions on what a metal band frontman looks like. It's a picture of a guy wearing flannel giving a stern look. How does that make you think of metal? I'm genuinely interested in your answer

[@robertoin7]

@Rocky Dennis bro you’ve been going through the comments saying shit about him did he hurt your feelings I don’t get it 🤣

[@triestoohard1]

"Reddit is group think" - YES!

[@ahaquer153]

HAHAHA

[@bestestgaming8454]

the worst vile kind

[@gon7155]

Based / true

[@anapavia4379]

Lex, you have already created a product that encourages positivity. After I listened to your podcast for the first time, besides loving the conversation, I loved that most of the comments were positive. Then I knew I was entering a good space. Thank you for what you do and please keep going!

[@jamesgillis8122]

Hotz is a brilliant guy, best interview I've heard in a long time.

[@RR-et6zp]

read more

[@steqhers]

i went on a date with George Hotz at 19, was chaotic and he was yelling at me all night. Couldnt handle being wrong, said sex trafficking isnt in America, yeah right. Gaslighting someone who talked to the FBI about their own sex trafficking and them comfirming it isnt cute. Made me cry when i didnt want to, just to say so what. I didn't know him but he acted like i was supposed to, his profile said famous hacker-I just registered it as pedophile. I found out he drugged my water, and told people I slept with him. At the end of the dinner date I had given him a hug goodbye thinking nothing of it but there was a pinch of my hair and i thought it was a normal hug. He called me a tool and looked pissed off when he walked away, I did nothing to offend him. A year later I started seeing him outside my nana's home in belmont shores outside our gate, I met him in San Diego, I never gave him my address either. All my devices were hacked, our smart tv, my sisters laptop, and my phone-all my accounts. I would be alone with my 97 year old nana with dementia in the living room to having my tv play second long disturbing snipits out of nowhere and i could do nothing but freeze and watch it. It felt like he was in my phone camera, like a sixth sense you just have. Weird things would pop up in my phone and in the house. I walked by my sisters laptop to have a snipit of snoopdog play saying youre a bitch. Weird things started happening and this was around the time he came out with the video about Dharma, the spirit world. I think he did freemasonry on me. Right at my nanas room in the doorway where i sleep with her, I felt i was held down for hours at night by a extreme force being made to answer truth or false to every sin and wrong and right i ever committed. on the cross i would either pass the -- bridge or fall into hell |. Was a horrible experience when you dont know what's happening and i would be asked so quickly and it was like someone or something else was answering for me, so many past events i didnt even know how to answer to. One morning I was laying in bed with my sleeping sister and I felt my organs being twisted and turned and pulled. Like my heart down to my vagina. It felt like they came out like stuffing, right out of me. (NSFW) Right after that It felt like i was being raped by an invisible force and i ran down the hallway to my nanas room, where i fell on the bed and it eventually stopped. from there i felt a stitch in my stomach, across my stomach where my bellybutton is. Like it would be pulled and my body would twitch and flinch at the strings. I would feel the string pulled a lot, the cinch every so often at my side. Like a month or so after this I felt claws in my stomach like the scene from American Horror Story. I wasnt pregnant, but these are things i wouldnt wish on anybody. Doing voodoo on a random civilian you dont know? I cuddle the cross at night now and I found out a lot about him. Like he went to Epsteins island and is a literal sex trafficker himself. He brags about watching Child p0rn and acts like two different people on and offline. On the date he bragged about being in the cloud, i thought he meant cloud 9. Nope. Hope justice comes to him everyday of his life

[@jamesgillis8122]

@@steqhers wat

[@steqhers]

@@jamesgillis8122 sick aint it

[@jamesgillis8122]

@steqhers if it's true, yea. He seems like the kind of guy to do that tbh.

[@chrismackay9268]

Awesome, I find George extremely interesting so thanks for this round 2.

[@TallDrinkForAMan]

Hotz Fridman 2024?

[@realy7392]

Well, Firman was born in russia.

[@TallDrinkForAMan]

@@realy7392 Laws can be changed. Career politicians might as well be born in other countries with all of the foreign and special influences they carry water for.

[@GRMREAP3R97]

@@SimGunther funny how the current Republican president maintains undisclosed bank accounts in China. Probably it's a bi-partisan issue, ain't it?

[@TallDrinkForAMan]

@@GRMREAP3R97 Funny how a real estate mogul who does business in other countries...has bank accounts in foreign countries. You know what's the real joke that you're choosing to ignore? Joe Biden was the VP who peddled influence in the form of relief money if the Ukrainian Government didn't fire the prosecutor in charge of a case that involved the company that his son was a board member of... You're the definition of a hypocrite.

[@NoOneAtAll666]

30:55 George: I want 100Ghz processors, I want transistors that are smaller than atoms...I WANT POWER. Lex: *EVIL LAUGH*

[@OneBigMobb]

'The universe isn't that big', what a big brain statement. People can be incredible in some areas, but incredibly naïve and unknowledgeable in others.

[@terrestrialcreature7481]

He then changed it to our galaxy. Plus it’s in the context of aliens and taking into account how long our universe has existed, 1 million years to traverse our galaxy is maybe reasonable. Makes sense just he should’ve said it differently

[@ezwalduzumaki3161]

Hmm. After watching this a 2nd time, I am still very impressed on how much knowledge george has collected, i.e. how smart he is. A true inspiration, all you need is the internet as he said in his stream.

[@carlrodalegrado4104]

You know Lex Fridman is about to say something deep when he looks to the window

[@AndrewNakas]

Thank you Lex! Your past couple part two podcasts have been so good! George is crushing the self driving game. Huge thanks!

[@GH-pu3xc]

Just binged all the George Hotz episodes! Your best guest yet! What an interesting person!

[@BebehCookieIcecream]

This conversation seriously opened my perspectives on computer science and theory. I'm going into a computer engineering program and really, really had no idea how broad the scope of this field is. So damn cool.

[@zelllers]

He believes technology destroys the world, yet he makes technology. Absolute madman.

[@carlos.santana.1337]

Devs too

[@zelllers]

@Brandon Spicer mass unemployment for nerds and the stop of growth that our economy is so dependant on.

[@calinative5302]

Exactly

[@Nil-js4bf]

It's part of human nature. The scientists working in the Manhattan Project were aware that the technology could destroy us. But the allure of pushing the capability of humans forward can't be resisted.

[@zelllers]

@@Nil-js4bf these people are sickening

[@richardcsanaki5531]

geohot is my favourite guest on the show, thank you Lex for the upload! now onto waiting for part 3 :D

[@aeonikus1]

One of the best interview or rather conversation I've seen in a long time. Two great minds collide in an abstract and beautiful information osmosis. Lex, with your interviews you're doing a great work that's so beneficial for humanity, thanks for that :) It's also great to have people like Geohot in the same reality :)

[@NWforager]

i love falling asleep to these . they say you can't actually learn in your sleep but i don't know about that so much

[@DammitBobby619]

I still remember when he jailbroke the first iPhone #legendary

[@cosmicrider5898]

Fr..hes an og..

[@EricLeCrennSanchez]

The way George Hotz speaks makes me feel like he could be a character in Star Trek TNG

[@Gvtteddybear]

Ya hes def an alien

[@cosmicrider5898]

We all could be but we livin week to week while hes reached post scarcity.. But dudes a Data prototype...

[@joopvanroy6599]

@@Gvtteddybear he's a rational human being

[@Sekir80]

There is one: Barclay. He is much more shy, though. But in the episode when he became one with the highest intellegence, well, that has some resemblence. :D Edit: TNG S04E19 - The Nth Degree

[@alexchomiak]

The team up we didn’t know we needed

[@unltd_j9018]

We definitely knew

[@ryanvanbeethoven3362]

This is stunning. 10/10. Lex is king.

[@Butterflywings011]

I could listen to these two talk all day

[@williamoseghare8584]

Lex: "Oh wow, you're hurting my brain" Me the whole time......

[@RKFCGSBGK]

Such good timing Lex was just looking for an interesting conversation to watch. Going to watch this all the way through!

[@FelipeBRARSPF]

This is this dude having those "crazy eyes footage" of old docs we see now in new docs about important people who are brilliant but crazy.

[@Unigma]

@2:42:30 To add onto those paradigms I think it's also important everyone learn massively parallel languages commonly associated with the GPU like CUDA, HLSL, GLSL etc. This teaches how to think massively parallel in terms of all operations executing independently.

[@arthurzlol]

Insane how george was confident and now correct about Tesla conforming to comma in terms of end to end NN and driver monitoring

[@blo0mfilter868]

Damn 3 hours, thanks lex. Geo is a legend

[@drublod530]

An overrated narcissist at best

[@thesimulation2711]

When George laugh it's a mix between evil and cute

[@tonygambale9786]

Just evil.

[@AlekseiTrofimov-h9y]

He's a legend. Awesome episode! Did he really mention Slava KPSS along the way? I'm waiting for round 3 with George. Thank you, Lex.

[@SpicyNoodleEnjoyer]

I thoroughly enjoyed every single minute of this, Geohotz is on a whole different level

[@lynnetalarico1412]

This is a great interview. I am a hardware engineer in silicon vally having issues with getting conneted to the vpn for the second day in a row. I can't do anything without a software license. So I started watching this and have learned a lot. Lex is so in turn with everything. Side bar my job is moving to Austin. Moving this year.

[@Draxen]

Man I wish you could do an interview with George every week, these are always so good!

[@NeoStoicism]

Love these two guys.

[@theinquisitivelayman]

Been waiting patiently for this one.

[@d3tach3d]

I dont think ive seen someone that is so calculated, logical, truthful, blunt, etc) but he doesn't come off as an arrogant sociopath. He feels like the opposite as coming off as genuinely nice, thoughtful, caring, and so on. He is truly a fascinating individual that with that personality that I just cant get enough of.

[@SirLuke007]

Buddy is loaded with knowledge, conscious of it, and still remains a humble listener and communicator I’d love to to sit and hear him just talk freely with his buddies

[@steqhers]

i went on a date with George Hotz at 19, was chaotic and he was yelling at me all night. Couldnt handle being wrong, said sex trafficking isnt in America, yeah right. Gaslighting someone who talked to the FBI about their own sex trafficking and them comfirming it isnt cute. Made me cry when i didnt want to, just to say so what. I didn't know him but he acted like i was supposed to, his profile said famous hacker-I just registered it as pedophile. I found out he drugged my water, and told people I slept with him. At the end of the dinner date I had given him a hug goodbye thinking nothing of it but there was a pinch of my hair and i thought it was a normal hug. He called me a tool and looked pissed off when he walked away, I did nothing to offend him. A year later I started seeing him outside my nana's home in belmont shores outside our gate, I met him in San Diego, I never gave him my address either. All my devices were hacked, our smart tv, my sisters laptop, and my phone-all my accounts. I would be alone with my 97 year old nana with dementia in the living room to having my tv play second long disturbing snipits out of nowhere and i could do nothing but freeze and watch it. It felt like he was in my phone camera, like a sixth sense you just have. Weird things would pop up in my phone and in the house. I walked by my sisters laptop to have a snipit of snoopdog play saying youre a bitch. Weird things started happening and this was around the time he came out with the video about Dharma, the spirit world. I think he did freemasonry on me. Right at my nanas room in the doorway where i sleep with her, I felt i was held down for hours at night by a extreme force being made to answer truth or false to every sin and wrong and right i ever committed. on the cross i would either pass the -- bridge or fall into hell |. Was a horrible experience when you dont know what's happening and i would be asked so quickly and it was like someone or something else was answering for me, so many past events i didnt even know how to answer to. One morning I was laying in bed with my sleeping sister and I felt my organs being twisted and turned and pulled. Like my heart down to my vagina. It felt like they came out like stuffing, right out of me. (NSFW) Right after that It felt like i was being raped by an invisible force and i ran down the hallway to my nanas room, where i fell on the bed and it eventually stopped. from there i felt a stitch in my stomach, across my stomach where my bellybutton is. Like it would be pulled and my body would twitch and flinch at the strings. I would feel the string pulled a lot, the cinch every so often at my side. Like a month or so after this I felt claws in my stomach like the scene from American Horror Story. I wasnt pregnant, but these are things i wouldnt wish on anybody. Doing voodoo on a random civilian you dont know? I cuddle the cross at night now and I found out a lot about him. Like he went to Epsteins island and is a literal sex trafficker himself. He brags about watching Child p0rn and acts like two different people on and offline. On the date he bragged about being in the cloud, i thought he meant cloud 9. Nope. Hope justice comes to him everyday of his life

[@shango752]

Amazing podcast! George has really matured since last time. Truly self-aware of himself and his company.

[@hootmx198]

Holy hell I'm 15 minutes in and have to say this is a banger start

[@ThePaoOfTooh]

Geo my man, I'll never forget what you did for a young me with all your jailbreaks. Long live the true DPR.

[@jonhy9241]

Dude yesss lmao that's the only reason I know of him

[@MarcusFred-wn3iv]

I admire the financial independence of people, But you can live better if you work a little more. After watching this I think there are people out there, on the extreme, who plan to die early just to be able to retire early. To each their own but to me, retirement isn't just about not having to work, it's about having the freedom to do whatever you might reasonably want, such as travel, buying things, enjoying life, etc. I don't think I could retire with less than $3m in income-generating investments, maybe $2m at the very minimum. I plan to work until I'm at least 45

[@harrisonjamie794]

Nobody knows anything, you need to create your own process, manage risk and stick to the plan, through thick or thin while also continuously learning from mistakes and improving

[@MarcusFred-wn3iv]

@@harrisonjamie794 Having an investment adviser is the best way to go about the market right now, especially for near-retirees, I've been in touch with a coach for a while now mostly cause I lack the depth knowledge and mental fortitude to deal with these recurring market conditions, I netted over $220K during this dip, that made it clear there's more to the market that we avg joes don't know

[@harrisonjamie794]

@@MarcusFred-wn3iv Who’s the person guiding you

[@MarcusFred-wn3iv]

@@harrisonjamie794 credits to *MARTHA ALONSO HARA*, one of the best portfolio managers out there. she's well known, you should look her up

[@harrisonjamie794]

@@MarcusFred-wn3iv Thank you, I just checked her out and I have sent her an email. I hope she gets back to me soon.

[@idanhacmon5682]

I am midway through the conversation. as a programmer this is truly one of the most interesting talks i've ever seen.

[@kittyandrew]

what an interview. I had a smile on my face for 3 hours straight (from enjoyment). Lex, you are responsible for wrinkles on my face, just sayin'.

[@cowofdeath777]

~19min Lex, "let's get all the crazy out of the way" *scrolls down to chapter list* 3:04:07 - Crazy

[@thesk8erdav]

never heard of this guy but hes an instant GOAT

[@subcon959]

Most people knew him from iPhone and PS3 hacking

[@elonmusk352]

He is the coolest guy in silicon valley

[@thesk8erdav]

@@subcon959 I used to jailbreak my ipods, but I never knew he was the guy behind the code

[@udhdbdjxisskka]

2:12:23 "The better technology always wins". Beautifully put brother.

[@manavnaik1607]

I love hearing this guy talk, you can see how much of an influence science fiction has had on this dude, even down to the calculations while Lex does the calculations based on the academic work to check

[@CaliforniaEDM]

Never clicked so fast.

[@cmyuii]

for real

[@sapito169]

lol

[@boxerpop82]

Same

[@garthwoodworth3558]

George mentioned the importance of honesty a few times. One of the most common criticisms of Elon Musk, and no doubt, George Hotz, is that they are accused to operate as con men. I am certain that in both cases these criticisms are by people who do not understand honesty. George and Elon, different as they are, each gain most of their power from their honesty

[@dominicdannies7482]

Robotaxis by 2017 ? Sure....

[@horvathszzsolt]

@@dominicdannies7482 If it will end up being 2021 or 2025 will it matter? He did not say the timing will be on point he said it will happen. And you can be sure that it will. If the timing was right means it could have been done earlier. He sets the goals and the impossible timelines. That's how growth happens.

[@dominicdannies7482]

@@horvathszzsolt He said End of 2017. And yes, it does matter enormously simply due to the fact that you playing with expectations of incompetent People which he can counts himself into if he was being honest. Everyone seriously working with Tensorflow or Pytorch knows how insanely stupid his remarks to AI are. .

[@horvathszzsolt]

@@dominicdannies7482 I disagree, you overemphasize the importance of timing for the sake of your argument. Those who appreciate innovation are willing to wait the extra time. Also what he meant by "robotaxis" were the cars Tesla cumulatively produced that are capable of becoming autonomous once FSD is completed. This number at the moment is around 1.2 million and the beta FSD is already on the roads. I'm pretty sure the extra 2 years was worth the wait.

[@dominicdannies7482]

@@horvathszzsolt Their seems to be a misconception. I do not have an issue with timing(or with Innovation?I do not know how you came to that conclusion) but an issue with purpously lying. We can tweak different meanings of words as much as we want,you illustrate quite perfectly your willigness to do so. Maybe examine FSD word-for-word and compare that with what the actual system can do.

[@SkylerMorgan]

Thank you for what you do Lex.

[@jvdagamer]

Wao I really think George Hotz is underrated and I cant believe I just found out Lex had a couple interviews with him.

[@brettshrekington]

EPIC CONVERSATION! 2 GENIUSES WITH 2 VERY DIFFERENT VIEWS!! this is what the world needs!

[@zakridouh]

my heart skipped a beat when I saw this .... so excited, thanks for this lex :))

[@TMIOTesla]

"I'd love to fork Nvidia"

[@sebasfavaron]

😏

[@pdadey]

George could be Chamath Palihapitiya's technical alter ego. He is alarmingly honest, insightful and refreshing. The perfect candidate for the political class he spoke of. Lex I hope your interviews with him go the full 15 rounds.

[@trashmail8]

Lex, please consider interviewing Chamath one day. He's awesome and has so many insights to share.

[@fabiokaya202]

You on drugs?

[@biesman5]

Please bring George back to the pod! Seeing Levandowski on the podcast would be really cool as well;D

[@viniciusmonteiro2514]

I agree with the learning by googling it simple idea. But often I get overwhelmed by so many results and lost on where to start. To help I try to do the following: Read the basics - take notes, write about it (for me it really helps tp write about it), practice it. Then break down the subject into smaller parts, for example: Deep Learning into basic math, matrices, machine learning, etc. Or RL into tree search, monte carlo simulation, Markov, etc. Then do the same for these smaller topics: read the intro, write about it, practice it. I've been trying to follow this recently and it's helping.