LFC

A PC cutting out or not posting at random. Intermittent faults are the worst, as you have to do every test three times _just in case_. Turned out to be the mobo, which we then replaced with shiny new Intel 9th gen parts.
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Thanks to music bros down below!
Synthis - / samsynthis

[@TheRealKensai86]

I know this was a year ago but those clips for the cpu fan were back to front. I've done the same thing before lol

[@TheRatlord74]

Motherboards have changed drastically in appearance over the years.

[@skoopsro7656]

The good ones yes. The cheapo boards look about the same. Maybe a few less bright colors on the low end.

[@johndy5556]

@@skoopsro7656 What boards are you looking at main brand boards now even the cheap ones are all black mainboard and the plastic parts on them are also either black or grey, unlike back in the day when boards used to use blue pcb's and blue and white plastic

[@randomxaos]

that board is from about 10 years ago

[@waltermachnicz5490]

I have a board about 2000, 2001. My 2005 HP looks better. My brother played with 486 and before. Tandy 64 I think... I started "imptoving " my 2005 HP ..

[@mrunit7261]

The Raid configuration insures against hard drive failure.

[@adammesic]

This is just incredible! I've seen probably 50+ of your videos and haven't yet found/heard a single statement of yours that's not exactly the same as mine. We're thinking the same over any issue you have faced so far. Probably that's why I simply adore your videos! Great job though!

[@HuntersMoon78]

Bugs me when people don't clean their PC's

[@beardyface8492]

Most people buy them & just use them like an appliance, oddly enough they don't expect to have to open the case any more than they would a washing machine. Apparently "typical users" bug you.

[@by2083]

@@beardyface8492 its filthy lol

[@crylune]

@@beardyface8492 People who don't clean their PCs are as lowly as people who don't clean their cars. Take care of your belongings. I don't have a driver's license but I swear I'd have a much cleaner car than literally everyone.

[@Bromon655]

I’ll clean my computer when a problem arises, otherwise it’s fine. Not like I’m staring inside it all day while using it.

[@train4905]

Dear sir,absilutely superb fault finding,a most exellent job sir,steve from the uk

[@Scitch87]

Adamant IT: "2nd Gen is ancient now." Me: * watching the video 2 years later on a Laptop with 1st Gen i5 * "It's okay Rocky. You go when you feel like it."

[@BeezyKing99]

how's your laptop? checking since it's been 2 years since this comment.

[@Scitch87]

@@BeezyKing99 it's still ok and working but i don't use it as often since i got a laptop from work.

[@fuzzyface4515]

:( I clean my PSU filter on the weekly, but I have 4 cats. I flipped my brother-in-laws PSU around because he not only never cleaned the filter, but somehow lost it. Cleaning his PSU was probably the most spooked I've ever been when handling electronics. I'm genuinely surprised it survived with how much dog hair and cigarette ash I had cleaned out of it.

[@dierkrieger]

Had the same problem on two MSI X99 SLI Plus motherboards. After troubleshooting it turned out to be that both motherboards didn't like SATA cables, not even brand new cables. My fix was M.2 drive

[@robinsattahip2376]

About the only motherboard repairs that are relatively simple are when those aluminum capacitors spew their guts and you can usually see the leakage. An ESR checker that allows you to check the capacitors when they're not visibly leaking runs about $40 USD. I can do the electronics but not the programming as you do. I'm watching this in Thailand in the 35-degree heat and that sweater looks like a form of Medevil torture.

[@prehensileman7254]

Bad power supplies can mess up more hardware than any one thing or component on a PC, that is why it is very important to test the psu before anything when doing a diagnostic on an intermitted hardware error, like cutting out. stuttering or just plain turning off unexpectedly(It's still known as a crash). I can spend 25 dollars on test equipment plus multimeter and without a doubt find a bad power supply. Rather than letting the PC crash or code up in an effort to find the problem, you can test a power supply before you try out the PC, If it isn't running on spec then it will damage drives , graphics cards and even CPU's due to improper voltage output. it is just reckless to put a system online before checking for hazardous conditions that can cause more damage

[@zadekeys2194]

With most issues, I tell clients to make notes of the time that issues come up. Then I start with the logs in the OS & see if there is pattern.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

I feel relieved you used an MSI board. I had problems from Hell like you did with Gigabyte H61 board. Now using a used MSI H81 and problems are gone.

[@HuntersMoon78]

I love MSI hardware.

[@kevinammann5042]

of course the win 10 is on those spinners and spinners are painfully slow for win 10. id definitely move win 10 to the ssd

[@simont1299]

Adam: 'Second Gen is ancient now.' Me: - Still using a first Gen i5 no worries.

[@der0keks]

Same. this 9600 is only 40% faster than the original 2600. The main difference they will notice is the SSD. I will probably go through my 3rd gpu before I swap out the processor. Although the current gen stuff has finally got a 2x improvement.

[@crylune]

@@der0keks Now the 14900K is bonkers and demolishes everything xd.

[@der0keks]

@@crylune lol. Only twice as fast after 12 years. Pretty pleb improvement

[@crylune]

@@der0keksTwice as fast in what my guy? It could be up to 10x as fast, or more, in multicore tests. Single core it just slaughters.

[@rumbler900]

haha the power supply name is a message novatech corp was the name of the military arm that made johnny 5 in movie short circuit lol

[@duartesospc]

Hello, i found your channel a few days ago,and i´m loving it.Keep up the good work. This board,like the laptop boards, isn´t fixable?

[@deelkar]

From my experience it's usually BER beyond economical repair, i.e. you would pay way more for labour than the boards replacement cost.

[@hightttech]

@@deelkar : That is generally true. However, we do fix some motherboards, usually installed in commercial or industrial equipment, when they are obsolete and/or ridiculously expensive. That board behaved like it has a glitchy power rail. A half hour and a fresh lot of electrolytic caps might have stabilized it.

[@Gersberms]

I love these videos. I bought a used i7-2700K and managed to run it air cooled at 5 GHz, and it still feels fast. I think the 2nd gen was one of Intel's great achievements.

[@gerydblackmore5484]

yep, still got my i7 4790k still good for me.

[@zeusgb]

RAID 0 why oh why. Yes it's a faster read but if one drive fails that's it all data gone.

[@jamesvozar1]

fair point you make, why all the fuss indeed.

[@NilsJakobson]

2nd gen i7 pulls like a horse. Its wrong to assume that its slow just because its a 2nd get. I would even dare to say that the 2nd gen is one of Intels all time best CPUs. I see no reason to upgrade and invest into that expensive DDR4 platform.

[@arcticwolf1599]

100% i7 2700k non oc still keeps up to a 8700k i think it was, the fps difference is like 5% if even most of the time, im running an i5 2500 an it still kicks

[@daze6716]

just subbed and I cant stop watching these videos!!! please keep them coming!!!!

[@QuentinStephens]

It's probably already been mentioned in earlier comments - hey, you posted this a year ago - but you should have tried changing the CMOS battery. At 8 years old the battery was probably dead or dying, and the latter can cause interesting effects. Also, I'm surprised you didn't notice sooner that the banks of RAM were incorrect. As for it never being the CPU, always check the heatsink! I've cooked a CPU by accidentally putting the heatsink on the wrong way around so it doesn't contact the CPU.

[@randomxaos]

i just posted that lol.

[@hakumaou5929]

I have the same issue....thanks yt algorithm XD Thanks for the video dude XD

[@northof-62]

Back in the days with a busted MoBo with onboard IDE-RAID, I got a PCI RAID card with the same chipset and a driver floppy for XP and it worked fine. I remember some pro IT guys telling me I would never get my data back. Still have that card (Rocket RAID). It worked well for years with some very good read/write speeds.

[@deexboy]

IDE-Raid. That’s old school! We used to do ultra-scsi raids back in the days for corporate purposes. Those are even slow compared to today offerings! I just did a raid-1 with two 2tb SSD’s for a customer. He wanted redundancy. I half to clone his old machine (intel) to a new AMD. That was an adventure in patience but worked out in the end.

[@concinnity1240]

Hey can you stop making videos so I can finally put my phone down and get some sleep. 😂 Great content man.

[@drummonkeystuffuk1875]

Ouch thats one dirty filter! I always keep my filters clean.

[@bdhale34]

The greater majority of Intel boards since the first generation core series do not count their ram slots in the order you were indicating, from socket to board edge they are numbered 4, 2, 3, 1. Slot 1 is farthest way from the CPU not closest.

[@itsallgoodman8867]

1. why single dimms? couldnt you find a 4gb x2 sticks? dual rams are always better 2. isnt it better to put all the components to the board before you put the board itself back to the case? same goes for the cpu cooler and its fans, just less hassle

[@hea5843]

44:00 I once read an article about lapped heat sink surfaces being a bad idea cause it decreases surface area at a microscopic level. Think of it like a radiator's fins vs a radiator with a flat surface "Which does not exist, but if it did...". It's seems that the most efficient surface mount is NOT a polished one but a brushed one. Similar to the IHS of all CPUs. There is a good reason why those are not polished. And I don't think it's to reduce cost... it is advised to let the applied thermal compound to fill in the gaps between both surfaces and provide a larger surface contact between the cooler and the CPU. Just thought I'd share that if you are interested. Thanks for all your videos.

[@yvonnadeau2331]

You can't say " no one cleans there filter " anymore. I ALWAYS clean my pc's Man i just found you a short while ago and i'm really into them, most of them of coarse. Trouble shooting, I can't get enough. Thanx

[@burt591]

Is it not possible to fix the motherboard? I have seen you fixing notebooks motherboards, what's the difference with this?

[@DevilLord666YourNightmare]

Depend if its possible to fix or not (not because notebook diff, actually same boards) , in this case seems like fixing this board will cost = as new mobo in cash.

[@eustacehendrix9659]

It's possible definitely but is it worth it, especially on an 8 year old PC? If it's your own PC and you have the spare time, sure. But if you're running a shop, the customer is not going to pay you extra even if it takes you the whole day repair the mobo; plus you won't know if the bad part is replaceable till you find it so it can be a wild goose chase from the start. Laptops; on the other hand, will not always have a replacement mobo available for purchase so repair may as well be the only option.

[@_packa_2731]

little late, but I have seen many of the 2. & 3. Gen Motherboards going bad just because of an corrupted Bios over Time. In around 70% of the cases, reflashing the Bios chip got new life in that boards.

[@Layarion]

jesus, both of you need to dust your computers.

[@slightlydazed9267]

11 mins in and it sounds like the MSI mobo I bought online for my i54690k. It'll boot into bios, run for 3-4 mins, then power cycle. After checking everything I found that the southbridge chipset was heating up to the point you couldn't touch it.........

[@l337pwnage]

Old video, so it don't really matter, but I'm surprised I didn't see a comment saying the cpu cooler fan retainers are on backwards. Not that I might not do the same thing, there was probably a team of engineers that tried to figure out the most unusual way to mount that. Reminds me of when I tried to help a friend replace a broken clothes dryer belt. I stop by and I couldn't make head or tails out of how the belt was routed. Luckily I had a variation of the same brand dryer, so I just looked at how my unbroken one was routed, lol. Oh, and you don't route the cables for the clear panel, you route them for the high-speed:low-drag air flow. 😜

[@arthurdanielles4784]

'Raid' systems can be notorious for failing AND recovering. I always recommend NOT to use them. 👀Modern mobos are much more adaptive to multiple drives et storage et read, write et 👀If you are new or 'newish' to pc building DO check this guys channel out on other activities re pc fault finding, repair, building et The key to a 'NEW build' should always be based on WHAT YOU (OR the person you are building it for) wants out of that system. 😗DON'T waste money on a system that is a 'Rolls Royce' for trips to the local shops et ! My sister uses her PC for web browsing, FB et et little else.. so why build her a system for gaming et et ? HOWEVER I do build a lot of systems that DO allow for expansion future wise re drives, storage, USB, video output and and !

[@arthurdanielles4784]

I had same 'Foxconn' motherboard and NO, would NOT buy that 'manufacturer's' M'board again.👀 I reasoned that they were a 'premium' board. OK for light work but as is the case with some mobo's, put some heavier demands on them and they WILL fail. 👀Over 40 years of PC building et + I've opted for certain manufacturers that I trust re future builds including certain components. I switched over to AMD within the last 10 years and Intel now is a distant memory.. 👍My top three mobo manufacturers are Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock.

[@chilldudie242]

For applications that want 8 threads, not even a 6th gen i5 will keep up with an i7 2600, you’ll get brutal stutters Intel seriously didn’t upgrade their CPUs enough generation to generation to warrant upgrading, man. You have a really weird hatred for 2nd and 3rd gen Intels hahaha they’re fine

[@Ag89q43G0HyA]

good gpu, terrible fans, terrible powersupply, horrible low quality motherboard, well, thats xpected.

[@ThisOLmaan]

Dust🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇'ies i clean my PC every other day do to the wood and metal cutting warehouse we live by, and they make lots of dust, so have to dust the house and PC almost every day good thing I am just living in a Studio. wow $500 hundred pounds is $624. and change so I take it pounds have more value? so with $624 buck you can buy used good PC parts to build you one. But me I always buy new when it comes to a personal PC why cheat ur self when you cant treat ur self after all its Us set up, so you want nothing but the best, but with that set up you bought there look real decent, and guessing another 10 years with that set up LoL why not

[@arthurdanielles4784]

DO remember that upscaling from an old pc to a newer mobo et NEW MS windows config et with software / programs designed for ie Windows XP, 7 et may NOT work on Windows 10 et 👀You can check with the software manufacturers et to see if they have 'upgrades' / patches but often that will NOT be relevant. IF Windows detects the software et it may attempt to run the software under its own set of drivers et mods et BUT often that will create instability AND can corrupt data et 😗Likewise some external devices / hardware may NOT work !!

[@Kraaketaer]

A bit of an old video, but still worth asking a question: given that you're able to suss out a lot of board level issues on laptops, and that (as you mention in the video) older generation motherboards are often hard to find (and tend to fetch good prices due to scarcity), do you put any effort into diagnosing and fixing the board after an upgrade like this? If you got it running it could fetch a decent price on Ebay after all.

[@rletage7233]

Darn it I was hoping for a better out come on the first MB. I am running a asus 450b -m2. mb with ryzen 52400g and 16 g crucial ram. and a rx530ss 80+bronze psu and a Zotech 740? 4gb gpu. that is the set up. I run this rig 24/7. lately the weird thing is it will power cycle it self. just shut down and restart. some times it will go 3 days no issues other times it will power cycle 2x a day for 3 days running. Switched the ram around thought that fixed the problem. nope. this was built 2 years ago and I have had no problems with it to date. I am kinda stumped here. anyone have an idea on where to look next? I will be moving it to another case soon with a brand new 750w psu. with a used Zotech gtx 1050 ti gpu kinda putting that off till I get replacement parts for a used Origin case I bought. but think maybe i will be moving it before i get those parts in.

[@techtipsuk]

Would have been handy to know about that 500 quid before hand. Install cpu, ram and m.2 when it’s outside of the case far easier

[@leftmorningstar6954]

ryzen would be way better and cost effective upgrade than the i5

[@francissauve6685]

Probably what he had on hand...

[@francissauve6685]

Intel series is a lot more stable with BIOS, so there's a lot less chance of the system coming back with issues later on

[@gerble36]

Depends what he was using them for. At the time of this video, I believe it was the Ryzen 2xxx line available. While they are better for multithreaded work, intel's chips where still stronger core vs core. While I agree Ryzen would be better cost value, not necessarily better for performance. For example, if the client was a gamer, then he would see better performance with the i5 then he would with a 2500 Ryzen in most cases. So "way better" is a vast over statement.

[@Lardzor]

The Raid on Intel Core chipsets, (RST or Rapid Storage Technology), has always been backwards compatible for me.

[@MasterJediSean]

the older RAID Arrays were usually made up from SCSI Ultrawide HDD's and were very expensive and yes they had SCSI ID'S usually 1 thru 7 and they also terminators on the last drive to tell the array that there are no more drives after the termination jumpers. but when sata or sas drives were the new thing for arrays the serial chains were far superior and cost effective.

[@paulfischetti248]

Frankly, the very first thing, a pc shop should do is blow out the dust and back up the hard drive. Before doing any diagnostics.

[@PapaMav]

LAZY/CLUELESS people, don't clean their filters...

[@tonyhawthorne3222]

You can hot plug the data cables to a rain array while pc is running and it will bring them up and they will show on all boot ups after.Worked for me anyhow.

[@mrv2k2000]

I saw the word Foxconn and knew it was the mobo. The only board that ever died on me was a Foxconn. Complete pile of shit.

[@adcdsasa6526]

Best channel i have seen compliments..

[@MirceaD28]

Having the power supply down in the case is not a good design. All the dust sits on the table and get's sucked in and the heat rises in the case. The old fashion way with the PW S is better. Up in the case.

[@adamgrant1787]

I have that same wireless keyboard the Logitech K400+ and love it

[@leightaylor8069]

I don't think low end Hxx1 chipsets support RAID.

[@davidlynch9469]

Not sure why you get such hate for psu placement direction. I have read multiple experiments which show it acts as another exhaust fan and helps pull heat out and bring down temps inside the case but, when in the opposite orientation the heat of the psu radiates into the case and your case fans have to exhaust an additional heat source raising temps inside the case.

[@FOX11GUY]

Hopefully he orientated the fan clips into their proper position off cam.

[@L337f33t]

I dream of having a shop like this. Or something like free geek does.

[@rumbler900]

can the core i7 920 still game only i got given one in a board recently pretty much whole computer is in parts i have to build it

[@Echo3_]

Thats cool you know the standoff layouts, i take them all out and mark them through the board and anywhere I see a dot I put a standoff

[@paulfischetti248]

You install the CPU heat-sink fan brackets backwards.

[@Gersberms]

Arctic MX-4 was good but it dries to a crisp within 2-3 years which I think is bad.

[@PapaMav]

I had to look up that neat CPU cooler; only available in Europe. German eh?

[@randysmith7094]

29:21- Always clean your CPUs directly above your LGA socket.

[@Adamant_IT]

Working under a camera teaches a lot of bad habits of not wanting to reposition the camera 😅

[@2023testerlab]

"... aging hardware, with some exotic mods..." 😄

[@iamvengeance5324]

Calculations come out to 320 pounds. For TERRIBLE parts, no less. The 8 gigs of ram was just a kick in the nuts considering the minimal difference in price between 8/16 gig kits. You should be ashamed that he gave you 500 pounds and THIS is what you did for him. Oh, and if you think your labor comes out to 180 you're delusional.

[@Adamant_IT]

Are you applying 2022 prices on a video made three years ago? Because that's very much not what the breakdown was.

[@davesdream]

I was hoping to see the mobo repaired, not just replaced :(

[@js0988]

It's made by foxCON, that should be your first clue. The same company that makes every Apple device, ever seen an Apple device that works? No, didn't think so.

[@MasterJediSean]

Before I had ever seen your PSU fan upside mount, this has been my preference as well, but I will add that it is well worth the money to go with an 80+ Gold rating, if not Platinum or even Titanium ratings. I couldn't afford these higher end PSU's. My MSI A650GF 80+ Gold has a 10 year warranty which is the best option next to efficiency rating.

[@crylune]

That is a great PSU. MSI’s been doing miracles in the PSU market recently. Their Ai1300P is what I use. A CWT built, 1300W 80+ Platinum beast. Would have gone Seasonic but they had no ATX 3.0 units at the time. Still, this beauty will last me and I don’t intend to switch it out for a long time.

[@thecrownedclown9656]

I’ve subscribed… fun videos… I love that job.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

SIX ! Nice copper heat pipes.

[@SeanSR]

single channel ram, worst upgrade ever.

[@IronWoode]

It's so much easier to assemble the HSF and cpu and ram outside the case.

[@lethalspizzle4247]

i clean mine and its still dirty as hell, i think up side down may be the way forward.

[@FirstWizardZorander]

I'm curious: Any reason why you don't do component-level diagnostics on desktop motherboards as you often do on laptop motherboards? Perhaps this was a marginal short with not enough current to make the PSU shut down?

[@Adamant_IT]

Lack of learning so far - Desktop boards are a completely different ballgame to Laptop mobos, as it's usually a logic problem, where as laptops are usually a power problem.

[@ACOnetwork]

I am cringing when he touches CPU surface with fingers 😱

[@SantaClaw]

Because ?

[@DaleDix]

Humidity is like 80% where he is.

[@eustacehendrix9659]

They're not as sensitive as you were told. Also, if you have enough ESD to damage the part, the metal case or screwdriver will let you know with a spark.

[@SidneyCritic]

It's not only hard to find MBs from that era, it's hard to find WORKING MBs from that era. Just bought 3 x 3rd Gen MBs and they were all faulty. One was faulty when it arrived - no onboard vid and one RAM channel dead. One totally failed after two days. And the last lost the network after 1 day. There is something from that era that makes MBs fail, because I have older PCs(Pentium 4, Core2Duo) that still work.

[@DanielsGameVault]

You should get a PCI tester to help get diagnostic codes out of old MOBOs like that. Newer ones may have a little 2-digit LED display already on them, or they may not have a PCI slot entirely, in which case you'd need a PCI express tester which I'm not sure exists.....does it ? :|

[@helmchen1239]

The're cards that have both, you can just turn them around

[@h1tzzYT]

Intermittent problems are the worst, i had one problem with my personal pc and i lived with/troubleshooted that issue for around a year. The problem was that pc had random shutoffs during the operation, regardless workload if im gaming, idling or 3D rendering those shut-offs were completely random it could be 10minutes after pc bootup or 8 hours after. i tested pretty much all components except cpu and mobo. (it was 32gb ddr3 1600mhz cl9, 4790k gtx 1070, z97P-D3 motherboard and be quiet straight power 10 600W psu). I tried all the solutions excluding changing components, i tried making sure that chipset ran at decent temp, resetting bios, updating/downgrading bios version, memory testing reseating every component, running outside the case, so on and so on, nothing helped. So i said f*ck it, and upgraded to x570 crosshair hero 8 and r7 3700x, no problems since. That motherboard was pretty bad, i ran 4790k at 4.6ghz and i guess it was a little bit too much for z97p-d3 motherboard with its trash vrm. Never again im skimping on motherboard.

[@soulzero7942]

I have always flipped my power supplies....

[@pentiummmx2294]

foxconn is a awful brand, worse than asrock

[@PizzaFrix]

... As you said 8 years old... so... maybe the just the mobo battery could be dead?

[@Adamant_IT]

Dead CMOS batt won't stop the mobo from booting - just means it won't keep the time/BIOS settings properly. A healthy mobo should boot and run with no battery at all in it, you'd just get a BIOS reset every time you turn it off.

[@teknik53]

the bridge problem. bridge reballing

[@errilhl]

The correct procedure is motherboard, CPU, RAM, CPU-cooler and testing, before mounting anything into the case... Especially if using second-hand older parts. Okay, seems it was new parts, so that's good, but still, I would mount and test before mounting, just in case - if something is then done incorrectly, like having a misplaced standoff in the case, you know it's something with the case-install that is causing issues, since it worked before doing that.

[@beardyface8492]

And about one build in 10 (or less), you'll save yourself a problem, the other 9+ you've wasted time, no problem if you're a hobbyist, no good if you're trying to make a living off it.

[@errilhl]

@@beardyface8492 bullshit. The building outside the case is basically the same as building inside the case. Depending on type of case/MB, ofc, but as long as regular ATX or EATX, you can 99% of the time just put the finished build into the case, without disassembling first. So the extra time you spend is maybe what... 10 minutes extra for the extra test? It's not noticeable.

[@sirlurksalot4454]

very nice upgrade, the customer should be well pleased with it

[@RWL2012]

@herbert even i3s have caught up to the performance of old i7s now!

[@denniswood9503]

rabbit hole's of death i cant figure it out

[@smada36]

I have a Foxconn mobo with an interesting fault. H77M board i7 3770 4 x 4GB cheapo RAM Bought as Advent branded machine from PC World with an HD6770 1GB graphic card. I upgraded to a GTX970 which worked fine unless the DP ports were used. It wouldn’t allow you to get into the BIOS and took forever to POST. Once running, worked fine. If hdmi was used, it worked fine. I assumed that it was a different Gen compatibility issue with the PCIe port. Added to the issue is that every BIOS that Foxconn made for the board would say that it was not the correct BIOS and refused to upgrade. Also, the BIOS on the board, Foxconn say doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it is an Advent specific BIOS for that board as it displays the Advent logo when POSTing. There is very little information online to help troubleshoot this issue. My solution was to buy a cheap second hand MSI Z77 from eBay. Having seen your BIOS chip programming video, I am tempted to have another play with this Foxconn board.

[@johnblecker4206]

Most 2500k will hit 5k MHz if they have decent cpu power like1.5 volts on the cpu + good cooling on the MOSFETs.The HSF and the 970 are blocking cooling to the vrm and mosfet or the cpu power supply area.My wifes pc a cheap ASRock pro is also limited by mb cooling to vrms etc at 86c the cpu will start downclocking.This Foxconn also seems to be very weak in the cpu power area + that small case will run way to hot.

[@Ouch.]

I really enjoyed that one....thanks

[@lexavaritia7596]

Talk about old school boards way back pre 2014 era My first board was from Gigabyte and i always thought they were the best, turns out NOT my H61-M died its audio while i was cleaning it out, the ram DIMM also died with fuming smoke when i tried an incompatible ram (back when i was still inexperienced with PC's) the thing still works on my house. but its now popping an bios error everytime i boot it up. good thing it has dual bios (coincidence?) I also have an asrock board AM3 from 2009. Board works fine no issue. Its just that its so outdated that it doesn't support uefi/AHCI config which bug me a lot because the old drivers from 2006 is so slow for boot up times but the board has given me zero issues so far even when im abusing it by taking it out of the case a lot of times/min maxing whatever ram i find. So far heres my take on the boards MSI - better than usual, though they make unusual stuff Gigabyte - makes cheap and disposable boards, pros: cheap, cons: cheap Asus - solid board maker, with exception of few Asrock - Somewhat decent/good built quality but their old bios suck or their weird features sometimes doesnt make sense Biostar - Basic board, WYSIWYG thingy. they do have bad tier at the bottom of the barrel chipset Foxconn - like biostar but sometimes a bit better ECS - DONT, unless its a freebie from a school who stop using ECS as their computer lab motherboard there are other boards, but this ones is what i have experience with. just my one cent to them

[@bryantallen703]

I basically did a upgrade like this. Though, i went back another Gen. and got a Golden 5.3GHz i7 8700K for $280 and this was in Jan. 2018. I also found a z370 Aorus Gaming 7 motherboard to go with it for $145. Got a 16GB kit of GSkills FLARE X 3200CL14 (Samsung B-die) that overclocks to 4133CL17 for $90. I essentially got all 3 main (base) components to start a build. They were all open box items but, brand new with damaged boxes. $500 for a setup like this, i just couldn't pass up. Gaming 7 was $250+ board originally. I was very surprised to this board marked down, even if it was almost a year old. It looks awesome, lights up like a Christmas tree and has the best VRM out of any z370 board besides the GODLIKE. Using 10 (ISL99227B) 60A smart power stages in a 4+2 configuration but, double to an 8+2 using (ISL6617A) current balancing smart doublers. So its an 8 phase Vcore with 480A total current capability. And more powerful than most Z390 boards. It can also run the 8core 16thread 9900K. Which i eventually upgraded to. The i7 8700K that is still a monster, i put it in another z370 Aorus Gaming 7 that i got for $170. After such a great experience that i had with that board, i decided to get another one for the 5.3GHz 8700K. It was the only board i could find that would run it and not overheat. I had the Corsair Obsidian 500D case and 860i 860watt PSU and dual 1TB Samsung 970pro nVME M.2 drives which i put in RAID 0. The z370 Gaming 7 had 3 M.2 slots so i fugured it would be a good match. But, not really. the DMI 3.0 bottled the 2 970pros so i took them out of raid. One could still reach 3.5GB/s tranfer rates which is plenty of speed. It wasn't until i got Gigabytes z390 Designare, that i could RAID 0 2 of those 3500MB/s nVME's and actualyy get 7GB/s tranfer rates. Thanks to the PCIe direct to CPU lane distribution that the board had. Plus dual ThunderBolt 3 on board. Yeah, that one i had to get. I eventually made that one my editing rig. With all the money i saved by going with open box last Gen parts over the past 2 years. I was able to get a eVGA RTX 2080ti FTW3 Ultra which is pretty much one of, if not the fastest air cooled 2080ti's out there. I also got LG's 55inch C9 O-LED TV for the family. Couldn't be happier. 10th Gen may run a little more cool but there is no architectural upgrade past skylake. So, i think i'll wait for Golden Cove or some other Cove for my future PC needs.

[@nuttytechy]

I know this is vid is nearly 2 years old but the Foxconn boards were the motherboard of choice for novatech in their budget barebones bundles. I must admit they were ok to the average user but they were very finnicky. I have many of those boards lying in a draw. I can't knock Novatech for using those motherboards because as I say, It was for their budget build for the home user / family PC. Novatech do sell high-end products too. They won't be the cheapest but as they are on my doorstep and I am impatient then I don't mind the 5 min drive to collect it from their showroom.

[@kitpatrol1695]

great video as usual from Adamant

[@len9518]

My power supply is mounted fan down, but is on a hard surface, which is 3/4 inches from the bottom of my case, and I DO clean the filter regularly. Therefore there is always room temperature air going through my power supply.

[@mikegord]

OLD case but LOOK at ALL the BAYS!

[@BWGPEI]

My second-gen i7 still works very well indeed. But, it is sitting on a very good motherboard (Fatal1ty) and the Cooler Maser case is like nothing available today, so I hate to part with it. Have you ever seen a large Cooler Master case with a SATA drive slot on top? I never could find any ID on the case.....

[@michaelmayer8193]

gtx 960 kick it tru dumpster

[@bozgadanmarian]

That dust on the fan is just awful 😖

[@martinenglish6641]

update/reflash bios fixes such issues 50+ % of the time and replacing the bios chip fixes 80+ % of the time. but because retail consumer boards bios/CMOS chips are hard soldered in and not an ic set socket configuration. Still used in high-end server boards and mainframe birds. MOB is so cheap considering so a bad CMOS/bios chip makes it a throwaway board. I am just too old on computer tech.

[@Adamant_IT]

I think if I saw this job today I might've been able to save that mobo. I've learned a hell of a lot about BIOS flashing over the past year that probably would've been invaluable to this video.

[@skylineboy092]

The pc didn't even POST. How would he flash the BIOS?

[@martinenglish6641]

@@skylineboy092 As I said, it the Cmos chip is toast, and you can not post directly to the bios, the chip will need to be replaced and as I also said almost all MB's have the CMOS chip hard soldered to the board so replacing is difficult at best assuming you van get a good CMOS chip with bios loaded. If you are lucky it will post to the Bios but not let the operating system boot. If not, try supercooling the chip to see if it will post, it sometimes works. If not, the board is dead and not worth the time to fix in relation to the board's cost. High-end server boards and mainframe boards have the Cmos chip inserted in a socket and are much easier to swop out.

[@martinenglish6641]

@@skylineboy092 Remove the CMOS chip and insert it in a CMOS programming bench board; If the chip will not respond to a firmware connection or fails to flash after a connection is made to the chip, the chip is toast. Not every run of the mill shop has this equipment. Large data center tech shops do. And not so easy on modern motherboards because the chips are no longer inserted into an IC chip socket, but hard soldered to the Motherboard. Most electronics board are throw away boards because of the difficulty in removing bad components to replace with good components. If you are working on old mainframes or proprietary servers that are no longer in production and not supported, the component level repair is a must and usually depends on a boneyard supply of doner components or boards from nonfunctioning computers. Take data centers that deal with financial and payroll data, they still run IBM big blue and old Wang and Digital mainframes. due to old data storage tech that is not cost-effective to transfer to modern media for storage and retrieval.

[@woxslol]

Only 1 stick of ram :(