LG C1 Firmware 03.41.05 |Black crush fix settings| 120bfi criminally killed by LG after the LG C1/G1

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Post if you have any issues after the update. I haven't noticed any changes, but I will post if I see anything. You can check back later before you update to see the reports from the community

[@rafaelperez9652]

No changes that I can see on my LG C1 either.

[@N2Flashy]

That remote flip was CLEAN!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

😁

[@xlinnaeus]

BFI was the one reason I bought my C1! Thanks so much for putting this video out before I updated mine :)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

There are no issues with 120bfi after the update. I changed the title. I talked about LG removing 120bfi after the C1/G1

[@CynicalCreator]

I saw the original title in my notifications and immediately turned off the wifi on mine lol

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

😂Sorry

[@CubanLegend561]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 acere you estaba esperando tu video del neuvo firmware, porque la notificacion me estaba molestando cada dia, i cuando vi el titulo de tu video, me asusto tambien !! jajaja

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

YEEEESSSSS!!! That intro was awesome, and this is what I am here for. I subscribed for the LG OLED content not the Samsung stuff, love all your content but definitely prefer the LG OLED content the most, no matter what you say in the video I still prefer it. Hearing you excited by LG stuff is just kinda neat to me its hard to explain, a very special feeling I get when watching these videos 😁👍 Thanks for the amazing content Plasma!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I appreciate you

[@rejectxz]

I mean same but I think thats because I/we only have an LG so all the Samsung talk is not interesting to me as Im not looking to upgrade atm. But yeah more LG and HDR content would be tight.

[@BusyWeaverBeats]

​@@rejectxz true but lg also has a lot more in depth settings so there's a lot of unrealized potential out of the box

[@cosminmic3]

After getting the C1 panel replaced out of warranty at no cost, the current EVO model is a newer version that even appears on newer C2 models. I CANNOT ACTIVATE BFI at 120hz anymore, only at 60hz. So the panels themselves no longer support the option, not necessarily the TV hardware. For me it's not a problem because I prefer GSYNC for smoothness vs 120hz BFI.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Interesting. There's hardware necessary for 120bfi that LG removed. Maybe the new panel is not compatible with the existing hardware on your C1, or maybe the hardware goes away with the panel itself

[@cosminmic3]

​@@plasmatvforgaming9648 all settings work without problems, there are calibration differences between the panels, the new one is brighter. In the service menu there is no problem, no error. Personally I think it is not financially profitable for LG to make the new panels run at 120hz BFI.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I don't believe cost is the problem, the C1 was about the same price as C2 and some of them had the same panel (mine is evo)

[@rafaelperez9652]

Just became a new subscriber to your channel. I'm liking your content very much! Keep up the good work!! 👍😁

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I appreciate you!

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

Thanks for your update and perspectives on this uodare.

[@M3talGearS0LiD]

thank you again for testing for us the new firmware

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I haven't noticed any changes

[@JustKeepFlying]

I would love to see the differences between HDR10 and Dolby Vision. From what I've read, Dolby Vision isn't really a big deal if your TV can manage 1000+ nits so I don't really care much for it but comparing them side by side would be good.

[@pavelsalva2327]

Cant wait for dolby Vision comparison video .. on my Lg g2 dolby Vision looks great but it depends on content sometimes there is no difference between Hdr10 sometimes difference is big

[@TheEdmaster87]

You can block lg ip adresses LG is using for the firmware update only on your router. This will not affect apps

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I might try that and make a video about it. Thanks 👍

[@BABA-_-YAGA-_-]

wow i do this for my c1 It's amazing thank you 🌹

[@Socratezism]

At times in sdr black crush annoyed me. I mostly use bt 1886 gamma. sometimes when my curtain is open during the day i use 2.2. In HDR i dont find it crushes blacks too much. Because of this video i went into the white balance settings. and i just noticed an insane new setting! Maybe its new for this last update, or it was new in a previous update but about 6 months ago pretty sure it wasnt there... In 22 point method there is a setiing Adjust brightness level at the selected signal level %. I upped brightness to 10 at 2,5 5 7.5 and up to 5 at 10. Looking at a brightness calibration pic this seems a lot better, amazing! Didnt touch colors, seems fine too me.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That setting is only there for SDR and has been there from the beginning. It is very good

[@Malinkadink]

I've actually liked having a very small amount of black crush from OLEDs, it helps hide artifacts in very dark scenes sometimes, but sometimes there is definitely too much crush. I have a C2 and if I go look at the lagom black level test I cannot see 1 2 or 3 squares. If I move the window to my TN monitor every single square is very visible with its 700:1 contrast ratio and terrible colors.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Try Fine Tune Dark Areas +2 Or Black level 51 Fine Tune Dark Areas+1

[@Malinkadink]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 It helps but its extremely minor, my unit seems to have higher than average black crush, to get rid of it would mean losing perfect blacks

[@The_0ne504]

My C2 used to be able to black the screen while in KZbin and I would use that feature if I had to pause and walk away for a few minutes. After a firmware update, it no longer works in KZbin but does for other apps.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Interesting, thanks for sharing that

[@TheIconizer]

Hey Ariel, I know this is a different topic, but kinda isn't. I'm still trying to find the sweet sport with Balck Stabilizer and White Stabilizer on my LGs- Lowering White Stablizer burns out the picture and I loose fine details like clouds, but gives a brighter feeling (no nit change). Increasing it to 12 makes details more visible although gives a dimmer feeling. For Black Stabilizrer I usually lower it to 9 to be safe from Black Level raise and have contrasty feeling. I know you were testing tese out 1 year ago, but I was wondering did you find your sweet spot? I use LG C1, G2 nad C2.

[@BusyWeaverBeats]

Personally I go w0 and b0-5 depending on game.. for example titanfall2 with rtx HDR and w0 b1 and like 30-40 contrast HDR looks crazy good (DTM on)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

From all the videos I've done about tye LG C1 I actually never recommended any combination of settings using the Black and White Stabilizer. I tried them a lot as it seems like LG likes it because they even have it in some monitors. I don't like at all what those settings do and the results are always worse imo. I wouldn't recommend using them at all.

[@TheIconizer]

@ that’s where I got. Just saw a video you did and you used 0 for a testing. I thought you went deeper :) Thanks for the confirmition.

[@BusyWeaverBeats]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 does that mean you leave both at 0 or 10?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Both at the default 10

[@borisdg]

The LG Alpha processors are superior to Samsung's NQ4 for processing. :P

[@alanclark9000]

This is why a calibration is a must for these lg oleds. You're c1 gonna look way better if you actually use a calibration tool and stop putting on blue lights cancel. I do it it too. I don't like to. Turns whites dirty and way too green. The confusing part about LG oleds is that you can have these same settings for youtube, and videos will look great. This is with blue lights switch to on & warm 50. But if you were to watch an old sdr movie on KZbin, it would look like how you see your game name now. It's very annoying owning an LG oleds because you need a tune for each different type of film's or different Aps. A good calibration to make old movies look good in sdr on KZbin won't work for old movies in sdr on Netflix.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

In the end, what matters is to get an image we like

[@mexdrago3009]

Thanks Ariel. I hope every year 120bfi is on qd oled.😅

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Me too

[@otaku_shaku]

My dream TV is an LG QD. Oled with bfi on high 120hz and and some things like game motion plus until then holding onto my LG C1

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That would be amazing

[@anthony3192]

I have a 55 C4 OLED, do you recommend unlocking the peak brightness on high with Color Control for SDR Games? i Risk Burn In?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

There's no risk in doing that. Peak brightness high is a regular setting that can be used for everything but gaming (which makes no sense)

[@anthony3192]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 so can i set oled brightness to 90 + peak brightness to high without risk? probably the brightness peak in game mode is disabled to avoid burn in, since many games have static images? do you use peak brightness on high in sdr games?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HDR has Brightness and contrast max out on Game mode and that is intended use of the TV would never use anything other than max out Brightness for Gaming and regular content

[@rankcolour8780]

Windows can be difficult with multi-screen HDR. If you are extending your desktop It requires individually configuring each screens colour depth/dynamic range/etc and usually something like nvidia surround or whatever AMD does. It looks like you are mirroring your desktop though to different devices using different HDR formats with different edids requesting different visual encoding. That will be challenging. You could try an HDMI matrix/extractor/splitter with configurable edid so you can send dolby vision to one panel and 10+ to another but a solid matrix is expensive and still unreliable. You get weird handshake problems and HDMI dropouts.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Interesting, do you think that could fix the one connect box of the S95C and S95D not allowing Nvidia Image Scaling and DLDSR to work and CRU app to delete the 4096x2160 resolution from the EDID of that device?

[@rankcolour8780]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Maybe? I've not tried anything that custom with edid but I'd assume that's what the app you have mentioned in other videos is doing when it removes the higher resolutions? I've used one before that let you pick resolutions to configure a monitor and tell a Samsung TV to use LLDV (a kind of dolby vision) but I've never used one to remove a resolution..... but edid is how a panel tells an PC what resolutions it can display so, maybe? Sorry I'm not certain. Fair warning the more configurable they are the more expensive they get and still aren't always reliable!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll look into it

[@astrea555]

C1 the goat :p

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Later TVs don't come even close when it comes to clarity

[@cast3192]

have you disabled tpc and gsr (ASBL) in the service menu? If so, have you encountered problems over time?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes, no problems whatsoever, I did that day one

[@cast3192]

@ Thank you! How many hours do you have on your c1?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I don't remember but it's like 5k

[@InvocationTom]

For whatever reason, the lowest code value for me is 101 on an LG C4. Mastering Peak/MaxCLL both set to auto didn't fix this. Any ideas on why that might be happening?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It seems like that's the way it is with the C4, others have reported that too. It might be equivalent, or it might not be working. Let me know if you find out

[@InvocationTom]

@plasmatvforgaming9648 Ahh good to know, thanks man! I'll try this method anyway using the C4 values and see if it makes a difference.

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

Are you using RGB Full Range or Limited on TV settings?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Always Full on PC and TV

[@TheEdmaster87]

Full range RGB like on an actual PC monitor is the way to go. Also will be correct for reshade addons if you use this. On consoles like ps5, and other devices like nvidia shield, apple tv, decoders for normal TV watching limited is the way to go.

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I’ve checked now and Its like I though before, Limited/Limited and Full/Full is the exact same on PS5 whilst in 4K 120hz mode, it gets limited to 8bit whilst in HDR10 when 4K 120hz signal is reached. So it doesn’t really matter on console, but yes it does look a lot better with full/full for pc. That is very clear to see. 4K 120hz mode runs HDR at YCBCR 4:2:2 at 8bit 🤣 bloody sony man… I have always known about this but I clearly forgot about this.

[@uhMaxx]

@@EverythingPS5Pro lol xbox series x runs 4:4:4 4k 120hz at 10bit

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

@ I know!!! 🥺

[@alanclark9000]

I just got home yesterday, and my lg is asking me to update it. I dont mind, but what's the point? We can't tell if it was one updates or multiple updates that make the main menu faster and apps also load faster. My question: how we getting updates and not know the difference after the update. We already have had efficient updates and they work. Im guessing this is another efficient update? Change adds on home screen? Nobody knows what it's actually doing as a update.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

LG doesn't say, and that's probably because they don't want us to know.

[@cflores841]

Hey brother do you have a "one and done" or 2 video of yours that you can recomend to calibrate my LG C3? Looking to get my HDR more dialed in for PS5

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I have some summary videos about LG Settings but I've cover almost every option available on these TVs. My goal has never been to share setting to be copied, but rather share my understanding about these settings through testing so everyone can set up their own settings on their own TV, even if it is a different brand

[@cflores841]

@plasmatvforgaming9648 Right on brother! Thanks you!!!

[@MasterBunny69]

I'm on firmware 3.60.20 have been for ages . I guess I live in the future on my 2 oled c1 48 inches

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Some regions get different firmware updates

[@rejectxz]

Do you not watch movies on your tv? Im curious if dobly vision is worth it for movies as I have only used HDR 10

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll make a video about it

[@uhMaxx]

it looks more life like & pops out the screen more, but some DV contect can be dim, but at the right distance and in the right mode its actually perfect and preferred over hdr

[@paQ75]

I wonder if there wouldn't be a possibility in the future to do BFI through the GPU driver. It would be a good solution for TVs that don't support BFI beyond 60hz.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

BFI tes but rolling scan is impossible because it has nothing to do with the frame, it's more the way the display shows the frame (less of it in a rolling scan manner like CRTs)

[@paQ75]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I believe it is technically possible to do this at the driver level, since the GPU can decide how it represents the frames.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If the frame is not shown in full and it's just a horizontal section(the rest is black) that's what you'll see.

[@N2Flashy]

I’ve been getting flickering in HDR, not sure why. Maybe my HDMI cable? All my drivers are up to date. G sync is on, game mode.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Download the CRU app and hit restart64

[@BusyWeaverBeats]

I thought that's normal for vrr on oled

[@astrea555]

3:33 wow that's crazy. That never happened to me because my C1 has never seen the internet and I'm glad I didn't get baited into connecting it. Nothing worse than nagware/forced updates etc

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It's so annoying

[@o_KingOfKings_o]

Yo hice el update en mi c1 0 problema 👍

[@Djiohn]

hi, i just received my s90d today, a question does pixel shifting moves the image slitghtly outside the edge while using it on pc, gaming u dont really notice it but when im using full screen windows i can see sometime it moves the X to close the window like couple of pixel cliping outside the border of the screen

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes, it drives me nuts, so I turn it off

[@Djiohn]

also if i use CRU to remove 4096 also removes my 144hz option, does it that for u aswell ?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I showed how to fix that on the S90C video. You have to create the 144Hz res very specifically

[@Djiohn]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 oh yes thanks

[@Basti-j7o]

What do your settings look like in the control panel and in the game if you use BFI at 120 Hz? Do you have v-sync on in the control panel and off in the game? and do you also use an fps limiter that is set to 120 hz? what are the best settings for this ?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Exactly what you said. Also Full RGB 4k 120 10 bits

[@drpratikroythebest]

Can you please make a video on best display and colour settings for Bravia 9?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I don't have a BRAVIA 9 but I shared how I use test patterns to calibrate and you can apply that to any TV kzbin.info/www/bejne/oomYdp2qfqyqiZYsi=hce9ZQfrYzMIYK48

[@drpratikroythebest]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you, still I will wait for you to make a video on bravia 9 if you get this tv somehow 😀

[@N2Flashy]

How do I enable trumotion? It’s grey out and off for me in game optimized hdr

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HDMI Console Mode Picture Cinema Home, turn OFF VRR, Gsync Freesync, and ALLM on Console, set the refresh rate to 60Hz

[@N2Flashy]

@ is this better picture quality than 120hz with game mode and g sync? I have my port as PC so I get 4:4:4 chroma. I saw somewhere that this is best for pc use and game on pc. Thank you for always replying!!

[@GFClocked]

I aint risking. Disconnected the tv from internet altogether and using Chromecast for the tv features

[@xXElLocoRobXx]

i tried 60hz bfi in my C4 is so much flickering for me, maybe 120hz bfi is not that flickering. Also im having some weird bug that my windows pc always actives dolby vision when hdr is enabled even when dolby vision is disabled in my tv config, some games changes to hdr 10 but some others no, thats the case for auto-hdr and in dolby vision i dont have control over DTM or even HGIG so i dont even sure if the hdr is been treated correctly. i have didnt find any way to fix this problem is anoying me so much.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Flickering is completely gone for me at 100 and 120 but it's definitely visible at 60

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Download the CRU app and see if you can delete the Dolby Vision from the EDID, I've never done that as I've never seen DV activated on Win11

[@xXElLocoRobXx]

​@@plasmatvforgaming9648 it worked! i deleted the dolby video data block in CRU when pc Dolby Vision mode disabled in my tv and after a bsod did the reset64 now its working as intended no dolby vision when off in tv and dolby vision on when i activate it. it worked like a charm. thanks for the help!

[@holgerbahr8961]

Hopefully the G5 will feature 165hz BFI

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That would be amazing

[@localeyemusic187]

True motion...is gone or not to enable on the lg c1 anymore.....🙄

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Change HDMI to Console Mode and Picture Cinema Home then 60Hz output

[@localeyemusic187]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 aaarh! Got it🙏🏽 thx man!🥳🙏🏽

[@arthur78]

Why use Fire stick for Netflix when the TV has a native Netflix app with Dolby Vision?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Because the fire stick forces DV for absolutely everything

[@The_0ne504]

What version of Windows are you using?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Win11

[@jeywhistle]

Those LG updates are only adding and extending adds in the apps;big data gathering. Nothing gets improved.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

They keep making money after they already sold you the TV

[@lewisevander]

Hdr seems to be less colorful for me after the update.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Double check the settings and turn HDR off and back on again. I didn't notice any difference

[@mikew1080]

I factory reset my tvs after any firmware update. TVs just have issues without doing so in my experience. I personally noticed no changes on my C1 following this update.

[@lewisevander]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ok, will do.

[@cosminmic3]

For me 03.41.00 solved Black crush, 03.41.05 brought it back

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I didn't notice any difference

[@ToxMod]

👌🏻

[@MuzdokOfficial]

that sucks removing that

[@yousellouts]

WRGB OLED FTW

[@chrissoucy1997]

120 BFI is gone? What the hell, thats like the only reason why I still keep my LG C1, this is such bullshit.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

No, I might have to change the title. I talked about LG removing it after the C1/G1

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I changed the title

[@chrissoucy1997]

Oh ok, my bad, you really scared me for a second 😅😅. 120 BFI is not something I can use often because of how hard it is to get a locked 4K 120 in most games even with DLSS and Frame Generation, but when I can, I always use it. I really hope they can figure out someday how to combine BFI/rolling scan BFI with VRR for OLED just like Nvidia did with Gsync Pulsar for LCD's because that would open the door to use it for so many more games where you can't use 120 BFI unless you have a 4090 or use garbage quality settings.

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Ha! Scary title! Appreciate your bravery in still doing firmware updates. (Mine, exclusively used as a computer monitor, was in the box for a while, which necessitated a big firmware catch up. However, after that I unplugged it from the network forever.)

[@moosyx]

Hi what game is that on the background name of the game

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

High on Life. The funniest game ever created. Highly recommend it

[@FuegoWelding]

Haha i actually think the fire stick using DV killed my C9. Only 4000 hours and dead pixels and a faded horizontal line in the top border of the picture

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Age happens, but full HDR brightness is intended use for the TV.

[@uncouthliyouth4486]

I don’t see the appeal of Black Frame Insertion personally. Kills peak brightness. Is it supposed to make motion look smoother? I have a 4090 asking honestly why use this feature

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

On the C1 OLED Motion Pro high works at 60, 100, and 120 and it improves the motion clarity in 2.6x. Simplybmultiply by 2.6x how good it looks in motion. It makes 120fps look better than 240fps on 240Hz OLEDs

[@uncouthliyouth4486]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648It’s greyed out in gaming mode with gsync on my C1. I noticed Digital Foundry never mentions it anymore. Idk I’m not a performance guy and peak brightness in HDR is important to me. I would like to experiment with it but it doesn’t seem necessary, at least with my hardware. Correction “OLED motion pro” is greyed out but set to low?

[@CynicalCreator]

With 120fps you can get I think 312fps motion clarity. Personally I prefer the clarity over brightness, but once you play with bfi for a while be, normal 120fps will seem as blurry as 60fps seems to you. For me now even just using medium/240fps is noticably not as clear as high/312fps

[@uncouthliyouth4486]

@@CynicalCreatorWhat games are you playing? I’m assuming nothing too demanding. I guess if I was gaming competitively it would be worth it. I can’t adjust the setting without turning off gsync it seems. I remember on my ps5 I had to shut off VRR to use it. Does it work well with Frame Gen? Even that tech is meh to me considering it has some kind of artifacting in every title I’ve enabled it in.

[@uncouthliyouth4486]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 okay 2.6x is the multiplier for the “high” setting which is way too dim for me with no ambient light in my room. What’s the multiplier for low and medium settings?

[@GenX_in_the_wild]

YESS Sunday night is saved 🙂🥲