LG C1 OLED vs Samsung QN90A QLED - High-End Model fight!

[@RTINGSdotcom]

PRICE EXPLANATION: At the start of the video we show the prices we paid for each product to be transparent with you about how we work. The prices we paid are higher because of the added costs of getting the TV from the USA to Canada where our offices are located. In terms of current retail costs today, the 55" C1 is available for $1299 (regular $1499) and the 55" Samsung QN90A is available for $1499 (regular $1599).

[@AcesMR6]

That makes sense, I was a bit confused why the C1 was way more expensive than it actually is

[@TheMagnumload]

Why do you work like that then? Don't they literally sell the C1 in Canada? Thanks for being transparent just literally makes no sense. If you bought from inflated retail prices because of shortages, you should state that while also stating the dates of purchase.

[@YoungLink529]

Looks like the C1 has more pros

[@JuanJimenez-oq2lk]

RTINGS Lying again look at this clouding QN90A VA panel kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmPHgYyveqiMadE OLED is the best, ADS it is better than VA

[@Supernova094]

Have a 65" QN90A in hall and 48" C1 in bedroom ( dimly lit ) and both are amazing at what they do.

[@pootytang46670]

should have bought two c1s

[@filipesantos5361]

@@pootytang46670 No, he was actually smart. QN90A for a bright room and the C1 for a dimly lit room.

[@pootytang46670]

@@filipesantos5361 no

[@kashyap72]

@@pootytang46670 no

[@Supernova094]

@@pootytang46670 that'd have been stupid considering how reflective C1 already is in a dimly lit room.

[@richardr5888]

I love both and both have strengths and weaknesses. I chose the 85 inch QN90A because the OLED anywhere close to that size was way out of my budget compared to the deal I got with Samsung. Burn in, whether still an issue or not, still weighs on me since the TV is on while I'm not home (the dog gets spoiled and my old 60 inch Sharp has been on every day on average for 16-18 hours a day for the last 11 years). Besides cost for size, I love retina searing brightness. Don't ask why as it's just a personal preference. Also, what's with so many movies now shooting such dark scenes? Even the brightest TV's have trouble with these scenes- and I find myself straining to see details. Please don't tell me it's calibration because the same movies have the same issues in movie theaters. Anyway, my TV has to serve duty in a living room that can be bright, dark, or in-between so I also need the versatility of the Samsung. Your needs may differ, but as long as your choice fits your needs and you are happy with it, then that's all that matters. I wish every person understood that with all things purchased. Maybe there would be less bashing for everything reviewed.

[@jackwilson5542]

Good point about the unusually dark scenes. I see them everywhere- TV shows, movies and even video games. That's a reason to get display with higher contrast and also preferably 10 bit. (As with 8 bit, you get this weird smearing when in some of those scenes, even on an OLED)

[@armenmichaeli6704]

@@jackwilson5542 I love dark scenes. It ignites my imagination. Making things out you don't actually see, you know. Generally, human eyes have evolved to distinguish shades of darkness (although at the expense of color). Our eyes have not, however, evolved to do the same for bright objects, so there you have it, sort of. Contrast -- yes, but not more subtle variations in brightness. This is reflected in the design of digital color space, where more data is reserved for the darker shades of color -- because we are more sensitive to it. Also, when you're watching "eye searing brightness" levels on a TV, your iris adapts by contracting -- so you can actually appreciate different levels of the eye searing brightness better, but that affects your appreciation of the intermittent dark scenes -- it takes some time for the iris to "re-adjust", even when it immediately reacts to lack of light and expands in size, your brain will fool you and there's all kinds of optical illusions it will experience before you can see in the dark well. If there's rapid succession of dark and light scenes, the brain won't bother -- like a train constantly entering and leaving tunnels -- you will either be hurt by all the sunny vistas or will just see black while in the tunnel, seldom both or neither, depending on how much of each is there by volume. One of the reasons -- beyond the obvious that is implied above -- behind why bright TVs aren't great at showing dark scenes, is because for the same native contrast ratio a bright TV will sacrifice blacks -- the contrast is just peak luminance divided by minimum measured black level. For a TV with 5000:1 contrast, if it's 1000 nits bright that gives you the minimum black level of 0.2 which is... very dark gray. Anything in a scene that's supposed to be darker than that will either be squashed by the image processing -- to compensate for ability to show the brighter grays, or the rest of the grays will be compressed into whatever limited contrast there is available to show them. With image processing turned off, one is still left with reasons that have to do with how multiple panels are sandwiched in an LCD TV, for example -- it may be much harder for a TV simply to show you two different blacks that for it to show you two different greens or whites or purples. For OLED TVs, it's mostly image processing (need that to compensate for the fact it's usually a WRGB panel, _not_ just red, green and blue diodes one may naively thing make up an OLED panel in an OLED TV) -- this is corroborated by the observation of how two OLED TVs from different manufacturers that exhibit exactly the same panel from LG, have completely different degree of "black crush" or lack thereof.

[@jonniecandito181]

@@armenmichaeli6704 Who cares, dark scenes look bad when its a constant industry gimmick. You're justifying with valid reasons, but let's be real, its a trend because it's cheaper and we're in the green screen era where regular sets are often VFX. There's a reason big budget films, especially legendary ones from the 90s, are brighter than modern tight budget Netflix exclusives.

[@David-tp7mc]

Same and samsung has work discounts, I got the 85" QN90A for $2500

[@zachary_smith1]

My oled has burn in. Looks like now I gotta go get the q90….

[@davidclixby5840]

I have the Samsung QLED 55inch QN90A and it’s a great tv especially for gaming and all round performance, I am really happy with it.

[@-Medoc-]

I've seen a lot of comparisons between these 2 TV and this one is clearly the best and clearly answer the ultimate question depending on your setup. Thank you!

[@tomdrums4607]

I did a frequency range test on my 83 inch c1 and the bass extends down to 50 Hz. It really does sound like a decent soundbar without a sub.

[@InvaderZiim]

Looking to get the Q90, I'm terrified of burn-in lol, but glad to see some people have no issues with it. I play too many games with static huds to take the chance.

[@Brbrnskhgf5666]

It’s extremely rare with the new oleds. You’d would basically have to try to fonit

[@davidclixby5840]

The Q90 is brilliant for gaming. I bought it for my PS5 and series x and can’t fault it.

[@dante19890]

used my cx as pc monitor 8 hours a day for over 1 year and no traces of burn in so far.

[@lucianobueno6967]

@@dante19890 for now.. would like to hear from you, 3 years from now.. most of those people who never got problem with burn in, change their tv in a 2 years lapse.. 3 tops. Can't expect such tv to have so low lifespan.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@Brbrnskhgf5666 Not true, I had a cx, burn in under 6 months. Replaced with a C1, with burn in under 3 months. Don't believe anyone when they say OLED is good tech, because it isn't other than good black levels. I have no doubt most of the OLEDs people own now, 5 years from now will be in landfills.

[@AgentMoler]

I know much is made about oled by the tv review community but it cannot be understated how much more engaging things are with more brightness. I have a Qn90A and I came from an oled and not having all the black crush in my video games is a significant improvement.

[@DKprojects9]

i recently got an LG C1 and this is something i've noticed as well, like I do appreciate a lot of what the OLED tvs have to offer but sometimes the deep blacks crush too much. I've even noticed this to a certain degree just with HDR vs SDR where I'm like mostly amazed by some great HDR but sometimes notice how I can see less in dark that I might need to see. Not great always for video games especially.

[@DKprojects9]

I'll say tho in regards to gaming, I mostly chose the LG C1 for the 4 ports all being hdmi 2.1, their gsync and premium free sync support etc. Basically they check all the boxes for support and features right away. Sony was missing VRR, I was not happy with Samsungs having only 1 port with hdmi 2.1. I have a PS5 and XSX and I don't want to have to share a port.

[@hardovski7103]

You have to understand how to get your settings dialled in. Black crush can be alleviated with proper calibration.

[@AgentMoler]

@@DKprojects9 I’m running up against the 1 port issue now since I have a series X and ps5. It def is annoying but I believe more switchers will become available in the near future.

[@AgentMoler]

@@hardovski7103 I had a B6 and it’s well documented that the firmware updates really ruined the black levels for over 1 year. I also think the way they implanted game hdr was just poor on that particular model so whatever tinkering I did could not get a good balance between blacks or looking too washed out.

[@ericoliphant1891]

Got my 48” C1 today. The graphics on ps5 and series x are unbelievable. My vizio oled was okay for a while but had too many issues and the TV wouldn’t register remote inputs anymore. Glad I pulled the trigger on this one! $200.00 off at best buy too, so couldn’t turn it down.

[@bliglum]

Enjoy it brother! That 4K as 120fps with perfect blacks, and super fast pixel switch time is nearing the holy grail of picture quality!!! But word. I ran a 55" oled for a few years on Win 10, and would just leave the "HDR" option ticked. So it drove everything at 100%, all the time... Did cause some burn-in.... But if you're just using it occasionally, only with consoles, you should be fine!

[@203joeman]

I got the 55 inch and I wish I went 48. Too big for a bottom monitor, top tv setup. The 48 is the absolute perfect size

[@2414kels]

I got a 55 C1 I'm more than pleased with it. And it was cheaper than the QN.

[@Mr420Dankbudz]

I love mine as well!!! Series X is amazing looking!!!

[@starmade9367]

@@Mr420Dankbudz what setting do you use?

[@agiverreviga4592]

In the gradient test the OLED had visibly clipped the blacks, yet it scored higher?

[@RTINGSdotcom]

The Gradient score is actually made up of 4 measurements weighted equally. You can compare the numbers and pictures side-by-side here: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-qn90a-qled-vs-lg-c1-oled/21551/21421?usage=1&threshold=0.10#comparison_466

[@Sir_Mack]

I ordered the 85" qn90a on black Friday for $3200 straight from Samsungs website. Super excited and can't wait!

[@xm3405]

C1 is best for a dark room home theatre setup and QN90a is best if you want HDR imoact and plan to use it in a living room.

[@montu25]

Recently got a C1 77 inch, it is plenty bright for daily use. And I am coming from a 75 inch Vizio P Series Quantum with 1300 nits peak brightness, they are known to be very bright for normal use. Not really missing the brightness of my Vizio while watching anything on my new C1 OLED.

[@user-bj1mx2ip1c]

Makes a huge difference in a bright sunlight living room.

[@montu25]

@@user-bj1mx2ip1c my living room has lots of big windows and it is plenty bright with sun most of the time in my backyard where windows open. The only issue I see is light reflecting from other things on to TV screen. And I noticed in lots of review that QN90A also faces reflection problem and it is worse than LG C1 sometimes. It has rainbow effects in reflections.

[@statelinesenthusiast7793]

@@montu25 thanks for posting how it’s doing in a brighter room. I am considering the C1 (small house and I enjoy having drapes open for some ambient light)

[@montu25]

@@statelinesenthusiast7793 it is brighter than older generation OLED. Wish I could post a picture to show you how many and how big my living room windows are and how my C1 is performing in that environment. Don't worry about it and go for it. You won't regret!

[@xm3405]

AVOID VIZIO TERRIBLE BROKEN TVS

[@robbyrockets1]

Love my two CX OLEDs, 48 inch and a 65 inch. Beautiful for movies and gaming.

[@BluesElwoo2]

When going to a store to compare these 2 TVs, I will agree that the LG looks better, but the Samsung still looks really great! I ended up going with the Q90A because I am hooking it up to my PC. With a risk of burn in, I just have to imagine I would burn the windows task bar, or browser interface into the screen. Who knows, but the risk and what I was using it for was something I didn't want to deal with. I really like the Q90A! There is a little bit of weirdness with the brightening and dimming of lighting zones here and there, but overall its not a big deal. Its only really noticeable when you have a mostly pure black, background, and something really bright moves into where pure black was before. The brighter area might look slightly brown/washed out for a split second. Overall though, I really love this screen, and have felt nothing but happiness with it!

[@joxyn]

did you tested the neo qled with the latest version 1901? Image quality seems to be better now

[@apothecy4011]

is not available via OTA for everyone yet. I am still in the previous version

[@bonzer2u]

The 1901 USB flash file has been posted for a few weeks now, no need to wait, easy and fast.

[@X5J2UY]

I treated myself to an LG OLED C1 55' and it is amazing. Playing some PS4 games with my PS5 and this TV is game changing. God of War looks incredible with HDR on an OLED. Couldn't believe the difference to my older LED TV. So anyone with a PS5 and an OLED TV. (Re)Play GoW or Horizon. The jump in image quality is stunning and very noticeable with those games! Shows with Dolby Vision are also beautiful. Witcher and The Expanse come to mind. Both really shine with an OLED

[@oooo1110]

It's a shame PS5 doesn't have ALLM, VRR and DV support it's such a waste. Now Series X + C1 = BEAST MODE.

[@raedersa]

@@oooo1110 allm and vrr coming to ps5 soon but dv i don't think so 🤔

[@mbahmarijan789]

@@oooo1110 what are those?

[@oooo1110]

@@mbahmarijan789 Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) Dolby Vision (DV) - This TV supports it but unfortunately PS5 does not so its a waste of money buying this TV for PS5. However it's worth buying it if your gaming on Series X/S because both support all features bringing this TV to life. It's beautiful playing Forza Horizon 5 or Gears 5 on this OLED TV.

[@transfo47]

@@oooo1110 If only it had anything worth playing....(and didn't perform worse in multiplatform games)

[@zuti071]

Again, nothing about upscaling normal SD&HD tv channels.

[@montazownianr1]

Lg is definitely bad ad scaling.

[@bonzer2u]

The sammy scales nicely.....

[@allawaynick]

I’ve owned a C9 and recently bought the QN90A as a PC monitor and all I can say is that the brightness and colours are incredible on the Samsung. If you couple that with no risk of image retention then the Samsung wins it for me for gaming. If you want the blacks and viewing angles then go for the LG. Even then though the Samsung does a great job. I cannot see with the naked eye any further differences between the two - except maybe the hdmi port # difference but it’s not an issue for me.

[@flyingfrog7847]

Isn't the reaction speed on OLED instantaneous compared to QLED tho?

[@zeebuzz2734]

What games have you tried and how do they compare? I have the CX48 and am really tempted with the QN90

[@allawaynick]

@@zeebuzz2734 I’ve tried a number of games with Far Cry 6 being the latest and it’s been a great test bench with the lush scenery and optional HD texture pack. The colours really do jump out and the god rays, reflections and water detail really feel like they are shining which is something I’ve never really felt before with other panels. On the LG demos that I have seen the colours look a bit dull on the C models - maybe they can be improved on the LG G1 which has improved brightness?

[@allawaynick]

@@flyingfrog7847 OLED is definitely more responsive on paper at least - it’s whether it’s really noticeable that counts - I just feel the QN90A has more wow factor

[@zeebuzz2734]

@@allawaynick thanks for the info. I need a new TV downstairs so I'll probably get it and then see what gaming is like on it. Micro led is still a long way away😁

[@salvatoreciuccio2570]

Just want to thank you guys for helping me earlier the year to chose between the LG CX and the Samsung Q80 and I went with the LG CX

[@simon3461]

When will you test the new C2 and G2 panels from LG ??

[@RTINGSdotcom]

We have to wait for them to be released first before we can buy them for testing. We will do our best though to get them as soon as possible!

[@simon3461]

@@RTINGSdotcom Thank you !! I'm looking forward to see these test !

[@user-rn5rf2pz4j]

Please add power consumption to your benchmarks.

[@robbell8507]

I have an LG C183 and it has been an excellent TV thus far. I have about 1,500 hours on the TV. This TV is plenty bright and the picture is excellent. I game and watch movies and I would buy the same TV again. I highly recommend this TV!

[@jessicabailey4708]

Will the LG C1 work with a Samsung HW-N650 soundbar? Will the LG remote control the soundbar?

[@26DeislerFCB]

black level is so imporatnt, my room is complety dark when there is a dark spell in the movie on my c1, there is no light at all is as dark as it gets

[@nothumanff5900]

You living without having light in the house bruh

[@davidcole2337]

Both are great TV's. But really depends on how bright the room is going to be in. Typically OLED will have better darks and picture quality. But can't be deem.

[@giotorres9848]

I have 75 q90t and 65 c1 both tv r beast and u cant go wrong with either one

[@TheKev507]

No mention of the lack of Dolby vision on the Samsung? Should we take away that it isn't a big enough issue to consider?

[@marcuscole8796]

Unfortunately Rtings is (still) ignoring dynamic HDR formats with their reviews. Be assured as long as watching Netflix or Disney+ Dolby Vision is a big issue and a "must have" I am convinced. Static HDR10 is just the basic format and is not able to make use of the performance current tvs are capable of. (I am watching DV content since mid of 2017 on my C7 btw...)

[@StarsAtNight1]

I'm not a fan of Dolby vision, because it propitiatory nature It's not good supported by video players. It's a nightmare to get correct Dolby vision playback on a pc.

[@marcuscole8796]

@@StarsAtNight1 There is nothing proprietary with Dolby Vision ... in fact it is the single only existing dynamic HDR format in the market (Samsungs HDR10+ was and still is a DOA format without content). Your problems are coming from: a PC is not an AV component ! Stream Netflix, Disney+ or use an OPPO 203 player together with an LG OLED and there will be zero problems with watching DV.

[@tears2040]

@@marcuscole8796 Amazon Prime has plenty of HDR10+ for mat videos , in fact all of their newly released content does. Not sure you’re spreading an entirely true correct information. Just because Netflix or other streaming platforms have not adopted the format, doesn’t mean it isn’t good or others like Amazon Prime truly show how great it looks.

[@marcuscole8796]

@@tears2040 There is a big difference between DV and HDR10+: Dolby Vision is always mastered by a professional colorist ... whereas HDR10+ is algorithm based ... it is adding dynamic meta data on top of a HDR10 master by using algorithms ... in other words: it is guessing ... hence an inferior approach ! There are other differences explaining why DV is used as the standard and not HDR10+ like: a studio masters it's content with the Dolby Vision format ... and automatically receives a HDR10 and SDR version from the workflow of this "one time" mastering. For HDR10+ you'll first need a mastered HDR10 version ... then you can apply the HDR10+ algorithms ... one more step (and still it's "guessing") ! For the SDR version in case of HDR10+ I am not sure whether you'll have to do another SDR mastering of the content or whether there is an algorithm based tool delivering a decent or sufficient quality output using the original HDR10 master. I can go on like this ... bottom line: HDR10+ is a fake dynamic HDR format invented by SAMSUNG to control the HDR market and in addition maintain being able to overbrighten and oversaturate pictures ... plus - instead of paying Dolby Labs for their work - generate some own profit with it ... don't think HDR10+ is for free for the OEMs ... although it's cheap ... with both meanings...

[@billclay2701]

Absolutely loving my 55" QN85A. After looking at all the options it fit me perfectly. It helps my previous TV was a 7 year old Samsung though. Hard to leave that brand reliability. The OS in the QN could use a update though. Customization sucks. But the picture is solid. Not OLED solid but coming from a 7 year old TV its like a next level picture upgrade. Hope OLED gets pricing and burn in together.

[@space0015]

hope my oled doesnt get don't curse me

[@billclay2701]

@@space0015 the people i know who have had burn in problems have families and aren't the only one who use the TV. Kids especially will pause a game or movie and not comeback for an hour, if that. Surprised they don't have a hard-wired screen saver for these TVs that come on with 5 minutes of static picture.

[@space0015]

@@billclay2701 but i don't have a better tv only ones 55 inch x80j, 55 inch frame,65 inch au8000. And my oled is a 48 inch c1

[@space0015]

Didn't come yet we can cancel

[@momsbasement656]

The dream is an OLED without the "organic" part. Then you could crank up the brightness and not worry about burn in. Unfortunately, that tech is available (called micro-LED) but is Richie-Rich expensive and will remain so for many years.

[@mohamedahmed1023]

Are the C1 prices there a typo? I can get get a C1 OLED 65" for well under $2700 CAD and this video has a 55" C1 listed at $2734 USD. That isn't correct.

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Hey! We actually pinned a comment about this. The prices we showed in this video are what we had to pay for the unit. They are inflated because we buy the products in the USA, but get them shipped to our offices in Montreal so there is added costs for that.

[@gazzerbot385]

I'm looking to replace a Panasonic Plasma 50" with either of these tv's. I've never had an issue with brightness in the room it is in. So, am I right to assume that the LG C1 would be closer to mimicking the Plasma in terms of blacks and contrast? We watch mostly streaming shows, some movies and tennis :-) The ambient light are three lamps set low. During the day, one big window and two little; only in the winter when light is low do we have issues and we pull curtains. Great review too. Best I've seen in about five months of "deciding." (I'm watching prices right now as the run up toward the religious experience for most people known as the Super Bowl).

[@marcuscole8796]

The decision should be pretty easy: when being used to a self-emissive display (plasma tv) the replacement must be self-emissive again (OLED tv). You will for sure not be happy with a transmissive display (LCD tv). After using a 60" plasma myself for 6 years I replaced it with a 65" C7 OLED in 2017 ... no regrets for even a second, the OLED turned out to be a massive improvement in all regards ... except motion because OLED tv (as LCD => all tvs today) are "sample-and-hold" displays and do not have the same visual smoothness as CRTs or Plasmas. Motion interpolation or BFI (black frame insertion) will help for watching e.g. tennis, but can cause other drawbacks like artefacts or a dimmer picture. But, as said, this is the case with literally every single tv currently available.

[@demetriocalluso2044]

What do you think about dirty screen effect in samsung QN90?

[@95FormulaSS670]

I wish reviewers would compare TVs with how most people use them with cable or satellite boxes with 1080p or lower outputs, as not everyone watches 4k or HDR content. It would be great to see how they compare in up-scaling lower resolution content. Most 4k TVs look great with high quality 4K input.

[@henkken]

If you only watch 1080p content, you shouldnt buy this caliber TV in the first place.

[@95FormulaSS670]

@@henkken well most TVs you buy now are 4K....soooo?

[@95FormulaSS670]

@@henkken Also most streaming apps are 1080p content or lower.

[@henkken]

@@95FormulaSS670 Yes almost every tv is 4k, but if you dont watch 4k HDR content much, dont waste your money on high end TV. Buy cheaper 4k tv.

[@95FormulaSS670]

@@henkken I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is if they did and showed a comparison between the cheaper and more expensive TVs and how they up-scaled content then you be able to make a better informed choice. Also, I do watch some 4K content but most of the time it is Bell satellite content being watched.

[@tykejack]

I don't understand why we need to waste 8 minutes to just say "If you have a bright room, don't get an OLED but if you care ANYTHING about ANYTHING ELSE get an OLED."

[@ShadiFagihi]

And burn in risks

[@3ALmansoori]

Qd-oled has them both

[@tykejack]

@@3ALmansoori QD-oled from Samsung is good, but it's not better than other OLEDs because Samsung's colors purposefully boosted to make the image look more impressive. So that's great if you simply want the wow factor, but it's worse/bad if you want the most accurate representation of the director. This video explains it kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJnXoGyDos54rqc

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

The fact that an LCD is able to be so competitive with an oled is outstanding. Great job to Samsung and LG. Would love to see sony x95j vs QN90A vs LG G1

[@bliglum]

It's not though. Not really... LCD is now supremely refined (With fancy local dimming, and quantum dot color filters), old-hat tech. With new band-aid solutions every year, just to try to keep up with a rough, new tech of OLED. And still losing, by a wide margin... Not just black levels, contrast, viewing angles either. This video kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqWlH6tppupe9k details how the input lag for interactive content, like gaming, browsing, PC, etc. Is actually much worse for LCD than advertised, due to their infamously sluggish pixel switch time. Vs OLED's near perfectly instantaneous pixel switch time. Not to mention the fact that black level enhancing FALD is often disabled when low input lag modes are engaged Furthering the gap. What amazes me, is how Samsung managed to sell cheap old hat LCD Tv's with a color filter gimmick, and an obviously rip-off name of "QLED" near or at genuine OLED prices.. Heard they sold a lot of 'QLED's too!.. I'll give credit to Samsung for THAT!! Smart business.

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

@@bliglum hmmm I disagree, by the eye test they look identical. The mini led even showed more detail in the dark scene where the person was on the sand vs the oled. In some cases it looked better especially in brighter scenes but for the most part identical. Sonys x900h isn't even mini led and holds its own against a C1 in a side by side video from All Things Tech. Qleds never sold for genuine oled prices before this year when samsung used mini led instead of full array led. They still have full array leds for $600-$900 compared to the $1800 55 inch oled models. Samsungs marketing though is on point with calling it "QLED" though I'll give you that 😂

[@bliglum]

@@armandopacheco-soto3592 "Eye test"? By my 'eye test', even the latest, greatest LCD's have smeared motion, and Dirty Screen Effect. The larger the screen, the worse it gets.... Also, extremely poor off-angle viewing, especially with FALD sets, which look near OLED level contrast on-center, but display TERRIBLE blooming off angle. With zones turning on and off obviously, and distractingly. Also, your rhetoric is obviously biased. And wrong.. "QLEDS" have sold, and STILL sell for OLED money (at least 'QLED's of comparable quality), or more... Just look at current pricing for a good 65" OLED, $1799 for the C1. Vs Samsung QN90A, currently at $1999.. Basically Samsung riding on their reputation, and deceptive marketing (QLED vs OLED), to make a HUGE profit. And I'm sure they have.

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

@@bliglum once again I disagree on all accounts except for viewing angle. This video shows no smearing at all along with the one I mentioned. LTT also did a side by side with the qn85a and the C1. Identical and better in some scenes than the oled, and the qn85a is an IPS panel while this qn90a is a VA panel. Incredibly impressive from LCD to hold its ground.

[@bliglum]

@@armandopacheco-soto3592 That's cool, we can agree to disagree. All good!

[@scottmoreau5630]

I really like my QN90A but the vertical banding is a bit annoying for a tv in this price range. To be fair, it’s hardly noticeable and only really pops up on an angle but still, why can’t these companies make a clean panel?

[@Codeman113]

Exactly there just big greedy asshole company’s that know the problem is there but don’t wanna fix it, just like 75/85inch x95j last year LOLOLOL HOW DO YOU NOT SEE A GRID PATTERN ACROSS SCREEN IN THE FACTORY?🤣🤣 literally they knew it was there yet still out it on the market

[@scottmoreau5630]

@@Codeman113 I am going to put in a warranty claim. Taking a chance but hopefully I get a better one! Still a joke though.

[@Codeman113]

@@scottmoreau5630 I feel like filing a BBB report against them and Sony, it’s sick wrong and pathetic no one wants to play games seeing big dumb ass lines on the screen like tf?

[@funhumanusa]

I bought the 85 inch QN90A yesterday at Best Buy for $2599.!! Debated getting the QN90B but for an additional $1900. I could not justify it. Waiting for delivery next week, cannot wait. Replacing my still perfect Panasonic plasma P65ST50 65 inch, Rtings review 9/2013 best blacks tested, big shoes to fill.

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Feel free to let us know what you think once you get it! :)

[@joeglennaz]

Thank you I’ve been wondering about the difference between these two TVs in particular and the difference in the two technologies.

[@am_ma]

Thank you very much for that that was very informative.

[@davicito4841]

I passed on the C1 last spring because my room gets very bright, no regrets with my QN90A, it's a beast

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

It's a beast I agree you Davicito 100%, but unfortunately the colors didn't seem very accurate to me compared to LG/Sony. Did you get your Samsung QN90A calibrated?

[@davicito4841]

@@asafblasbergvideographer I didn't and tbh I don't see anything wrong with the colors

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

@@davicito4841 OK excellent. Thanks! :)

[@alexpappas1573]

@@asafblasbergvideographer The QN90A in film mode with color space set to Auto is very accurate. Not so much in standard mode.

[@stephenpatterson8056]

@Alex Pappas Yep, as long as color space isn't set to native and contrast enhancer is disabled, colors look quite good. Now if only Windows wouldn't force everything into an HDR container when you switch HDR on in the display settings...

[@tomatoketchup1582]

I definitely have an ADS panel. Please review QN90A with ADS panel. Import one unit for review.

[@swinoob616]

I have the qn90a but with Ads panel so I'm not totally happy.

[@pascalmacarty8625]

Hi, I think you forgot to analyse HDMI ports specification, in details, like bandwidth, features, HDMI 2.1 fully compliant or not etc... For exemple, could I use these TVs as computer monitor, at the maximum definition, maximum refresh rate and maximum HDR level, all in the same time, without artefacts (like displaying forced to 4:2:2 which is uncompatible with that specific usage) ??? And, according to the display technology of these TVs, should I use these TVs as computer monitor ? Thank you !

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Hey Pascal! We do have a section for the supported resolutions for both TVs here: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c1-oled-vs-samsung-qn90a-qled/21421/21551?usage=1&threshold=0.10#comparison_206 Additionally, we have a different testing methodology for monitors than we do TVs. We did test a 48" C1 using our monitor test methodology though which you can read here: www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/48-c1-oled

[@AncientHippie]

Between the LG C1 OLED vs Samsung QN90A QLED anybody have opinions about which TV would be better for watching hockey games (my primary use)? Naturally most games are at night so sunlight shouldn't be a main factor.

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Hey! I think it might help to check out our comparison between both of these TVs! www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-g1-oled-vs-samsung-qn90a-qled/21422/21551?usage=1&threshold=0.10

[@jimbert50]

You failed to mention the price. Are they the same? Usually OLEDs are more expensive, which would weigh in to the Q90A's advantage.

[@paulcox2447]

Very similar. Both are around 2k. Samsung has their TV's priced quite high. Price difference is minor, it's very fair. LCD really only cheaper until you try to get it close to OLED quality.. Then the price goes up for that last bit of performance with high end mini-led. Samsung does LCD better than anyone and they are priced like it. Hisense is getting better and better tho

[@ernaldo1848]

@@paulcox2447 The lg c1 is around 1k in europe. Same for the Samsung

[@mjhieusuper]

In my country C1 48incg cost 800usd, Qn90a cost 1500 usd. But I prefer Qn90a, because I live in bright room and my tivi must be on 24/7 with static content as Camera CCTV. I just switch back to CCTV screen after done watching movie/tv show. Surely Tv will be off in 3 hours on every sunday of the week for resting.

[@t63409]

The OLED don’t forget that the panel also degrades a lot faster. The more you use it the more it starts to burn it self out. Lifespan is way less than a QLED TV. In my opinion for now at least QLED is the winner for most people.

[@dante19890]

every light source burn itself out eventually. Happens to Led too. But u will probably upgrade ur tv before that happens anyway.

[@ananonymous8595]

Yes you are right

[@forza8719]

Samsung is known for using cheap panels.

[@ΑντωνηςΜεταλικης]

The LG OLED screens don't experience this problem at all. The pixels provide white light, that turns into a color with a filter. LG states their OLED TVs have a lifespan of 30,000 hours, which is equal to watching TV 3 hours per day, for 27 years.

[@Hologhoul]

@@ΑντωνηςΜεταλικης You haven't met my wife!

[@ericcarlsson5439]

I had Philips oled before and got burn in. Bought the qn95a and an very happy.

[@MultiDemo007]

Just thought I’d preface any Australians watching: Our QN90As are all ADS/IPS panels EXCEPT for the 50” & 85”… So take that how you will :)

[@markkoetsier6475]

Good point, this is definitely the kind of info that needs to be spread. Then I'd like to chip in and warn Europeans that the same goes for our QN90A, which is pretty much an American QN85A including its IPS panel! Depending on your country, get the *_QN92A_** , **_93A_** or **_94A_* instead, as those actually ARE the TV reviewed here. On top of that we have the QN95A, which is a USA QN90A as well, except the ports get replaced by a One Connect with 4x HDMI 2.1. So that's a nice option if you need more 2.1 and don't mind having a proprietary box that bricks your TV if it stops working, and is unreasonably expensive out of warranty. (Personally, I'd just get the QN92A and a 2.1 switch.) Man, why does Samsung have to overcomplicate this shit? It just leads to people buying the wrong television under the assumption that their local market uses the same model designations as the US, where most tech content tends to come from. So misleading...

[@TonyMaxBirt]

I expect this would be the same for NZ then? Can I ask how you have confirmed this? Not great for Samsung to be replacing VA panels with nasty IPS.

[@MultiDemo007]

@@TonyMaxBirt I work for a Big Box retailer in Aus, we sell every major brand. Through my own trial and error with testing TVs and confirming with my sales reps.

[@TonyMaxBirt]

@@MultiDemo007 Thank you very much for this info was just about to pull the trigger on 75 inch QN90a, dodged a bullet going with C1.

[@TonyMaxBirt]

@@MultiDemo007 Could I bother you a little further, Is the Sony X95J in Aus/NZ the same panels they are in the US?

[@jimbo121]

I'm so torn between the 2 of them. One side I wanna try OLED and on the other I want the wide bar support of the samsung for 21:9 and 32:9 native support. I'm retiring a CRG9 monitor so I am scared to be underwhelmed by the OLED brightness.

[@ForceInEvHorizon]

If you're gonna use oled as a monitor beware that it might have a chance to get a burn-in. Also the Samsung is much brighter than the oled

[@TheDailyWorkingDad]

Go with Samsung if using it as a monitor for sure. I have the 85" QN90A and it's amazing.

[@jimbo121]

@@TheDailyWorkingDad I went C1 lol had in a few days and am blown away.

[@ForceInEvHorizon]

@@jimbo121 well goodluck cause probably after 3-5 years your tv may be have burn in

[@TheDailyWorkingDad]

@@jimbo121 not a bad choice. I know plenty of people that use that specific tv as a monitor and love it. There are a few drawbacks if you’re wanting to use it for very specific things, but if it works for how you’re wanting to use it, then that’s awesome. It’s a great screen.

[@BiDouX]

je ne c'est pas avec les nouvel mise ajour comme la QN90A elle est rendu sur ver 1903.0 c'est mieux ou pas ?

[@degenerationx90]

Both great TV's but if your room really even has any light whether from the sun or just the lights. You have to turn them off and block out the sun with blackout curtaina.The OLED is absolutely terrible with lights on.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Yeah and some scenes on the oleds crush details in shadows. Too bad they can't perfect this kind of technology so we can turn up the brightness without worry of burn in.

[@transfo47]

@@robertlawrence9000 That's microLED. Should be perfected in 7-10 years.

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@transfo47 yeah I hope soon 😁

[@degenerationx90]

@@robertlawrence9000 don't know if you ever watched squid game but some of the scenes are so black because it's filming a scene with no light and you can't see absolutely anything that's going on. Had to watch it again on my qn90a.

[@tracer073]

@@robertlawrence9000 my brightness is always maxed out, oled is too dim to not max out brightness, don’t care about burn in

[@dante19890]

would only consider an led over an oled if u get a much larger screen for the same price.

[@chopinhoven]

and for pc use to avoid burn in

[@dante19890]

@@chopinhoven used my LG CX OLed as a PC monitor for over a year now with no signs of burn in. Curious how many years it will last

[@RTINGSdotcom]

It absolutely can make a difference! If you're very far away from a smaller OLED TV, you won't be really getting all the benefits of the display. Check out our size to distance calculator for reference: www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship

[@BookClubDisaster]

One thing that doesn't get discussed: are you light sensitive? I am pretty light sensitive and I find my Samsung Q8FN way TOO bright. I almost feel like with some scenes I need sunglasses. And setting can't really dial this out much. Everyone debates whether OLED is too diim but no one asks if QLED is too bright. I'm waiting for my C1 delivery tomorrow. Hoping it will be what I'm looking for. Not too worried about burn in. My iPhone's OLED screen is 3 1/2 years old, static images all over the place, but I notice no difference from the day I got it.

[@overnightdelivery]

All I know is that CRTs looked amazing and they generally had 100 Nits or LESS. I don't find the brightness to be an issue at all, since no electronic displays look better with sunlight on them. Did get burn-in on my AMOLED phone though. But it was from playing KZbin videos constantly in windowed mode.

[@christoffero89]

So. Did upu like it?

[@eczamurai]

Could you please upload the input lag on the QN90A without game mode on? Game mode on the QN90A looks absolutely terrible.

[@RTINGSdotcom]

We don't specifically test 4k @ 120Hz Outside Game Mode but we would expect it to make a significant difference. For reference, here are the QN90A measurements we do have. 4k @ 60Hz 9.8 ms 4k @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode 76.6 ms

[@eczamurai]

@@RTINGSdotcom Oh wow thats more than i thought it would be. Does changing color temperature to auto affect this? Because the native colors are terrible on this lol.

[@Da-iken]

you should copy movie values into game mode (moviesdr into game sdr and movie hdr into game hdr). reset movie befor, if you changed it. Then you get both. Only leave local dimming on high in game mode. turn of contrast enhancer and do not go over 2 sharpness and it should look good.

[@bucclao209]

Can I change the aspect ratio on or any of the Samsung or LG??? I have the original old 2017 lg oled tv that can change anytime so it will fit tv. I don’t like the top & bottom black bars. It defeats the size of the tv. Also my old Samsung won’t let me change either. Please help! Thx.

[@RTINGSdotcom]

You should be able to, yes. This is taken from a recent Samsung article: • 16:9 : Sets the picture to 16:9 wide mode. • Zoom1 : Magnifies the size of the picture on the screen. • Zoom2 : Magnifies the size of the picture bigger than Zoom1. • Wide Fit : Enlarges the aspect ratio of the picture to fit the entire screen. • 4:3 : Sets the picture to 4:3 normal mode. • Screen Fit : Use the function to see the full image without any cutoff when HDMI (720p/1080i/1080p), Component (1080i/1080p) or DTV (1080i) signals are input. If you're curious about a specific TV though, it may be best to check out what the manufacturer says online as that information is easily accessible!

[@addicz2]

How to put a wallpaper in to LG tv?

[@toriless]

I have been using a Plasma set as one of my monitors for the PC for 8 years without burn-in. You really have to abuse one to have an issue. Proper settings really help a lot when it comes to burn-in.

[@stephenpatterson8056]

What brand do you have? I owned a Kuro, a Panny, and a Samsung plasma in the past. The only one that really didn't exhibit any image retention or burn in was the Pioneer. The Panasonic and Samsung would regularly display temporary image retention when scenes would switch and by the time I was done with the Samsung it had some very light, but present burn in. It always amazed me how Pioneer perfected that tech and even after being acquired by Panasonic they STILL couldn't replicate it

[@toriless]

@@stephenpatterson8056 Samsung but I wish I got the Panasonic since it it very reflective. 600 Hz 3D, etc. Just not 4K and heavy. Uses more electricity but 179 degrees viewing angle, no tearing. It just proves cheapest wins not best. Plasma slaughters LED thechnology.

[@montazownianr1]

@@toriless 600hz?

[@toriless]

@@montazownianr1 yep, instantaneous, 1ms refresh rate. It is constantly rescaning. It is completely different. Comparing it to a LCD is like comparing a Tesla to a steam engine.

[@gazzerbot385]

I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma from 2008 and want to just get a bigger set for the room. Do you think the OLED compares to a plasma?

[@TheKing-fo4xo]

Hello sir, I know my question is not related but I don't have much time. So, I am getting one of hyperx cloud 2 or the cloud alpha S. Now the cloud 2 checks all the boxes for me but while reading/watching reviews, they say that the cloud 2 doesn't sound as good as the cloud alpha S. Also, the cloud alpha S are also perfect for me, but I am a little concerned about the frequency response consistency of the cloud alpha S. If they sound similar then I will go with the cloud 2 because their F.R.C is better without glasses which I don't wear. Ps: I cannot test both of them to see which one fits me or do anything. I can only receive one or the other. Sorry for the long comment.

[@Ernburd]

Returning my QN90A because the local dimming is very bad and noticeable while gaming on my ps5. It’s hard to explain but a lot of colors get washed out and brightness levels never look quite right. Buyer beware if you’re getting it just for gaming - I was not impressed.

[@christoffero89]

I notice the bad dimming in tv series too

[@aquaneon8012]

I feel bad every time I see a competition between the lg c1 and the qn90a and people like to promote the lg c1 as a clear winner and say all led tvs are inferior. As someone who upgraded from an 8 year old lcd tv, I have been really impressed with the qn90a especially the saturation of the colors and the bright hdr highlights. The blacks are also deep compared to my old lcd tv with no local dimming. I enjoy my tv and don't have any major complaints but I always feel fomo whenever someone promotes OLED tvs over anything else. I keep watching comparison videos to ask myself if I made the right purchase.

[@transfo47]

If you have a dark environment, the OLED will look better. That's pretty much the long and short of it. Burn in is much less of a problem on the new TVs.

[@lasersalmonroll1509]

@@transfo47 but not as pc monitor it will burn fast…

[@gazzerbot385]

@@transfo47 ... but ... what confuses me is "dark" environment. How many lamps on? How about a window that gets morning light? Dark=can't see your hand in front of your face? or....? seriously, not being snarky. This is what's so confusing.

[@lasersalmonroll1509]

@@averagemaleiq4047 linus tech got it in a few month, also auto dim work very frequently when using for ms office (brightness setting less than 50%) last part was mine, 50% screen work 50% youtube.

[@lasersalmonroll1509]

@@averagemaleiq4047 in case of gaming, look great in normal case but mmorpg static icon will burn it fast, got ABL while managing inventory in FF14

[@aleksandarichkov7806]

Interesting that you do not point out the Automatic Brightness Limiter on the LG OLED C1 - seems like quite an issue for regular viewers on a number of forum threads and reviews. Can you comment on this experience during your tests?

[@BigDavos]

I have it turned off on my C1, no issues here you dont need it

[@xm3405]

@@BigDavos You can't turn it off, you can only disable ASBL which is static dimming over time and congrats u voided ur warranty.

[@aleksandarichkov7806]

@@xm3405 @freshlyunrealy was about the ask the same thing, as I am in the mind between LG C1 and Samsung QN90A. If burn-in is not an issue on LG's OLED screen, why is LG not covering burn-in into the warranty? It is twisting my mind and can't decide tbh.

[@xm3405]

@@aleksandarichkov7806 burn in is certainly an issue just the marketing is there to cover it up. It's not really burn in per say its just certain pixels more worn out than other. The reason burn in is less common nowadays is because of pixel refresher that detects the worn pixels and then damages the rest of the pixels to make it uniform again. LG does cover burn in but only on the G1+ because they have the new "Evo Panel" that contains a new hydrocarbon emmitor that takes a much longer time to decay. They get a 5 year burn in warranty but as the C1 still mostly comes with the old emmittor it's not covered.

[@jedics1]

Im waiting for someone to bring out a monitor more comparable to Apples miniLED displays with much more dimming zones...Almost as good with blacks with none of the disadvantages.

[@oooo1110]

Are these high end?? I have one of those.

[@chipwabanda8425]

Are there any Samsung TVs with more than 1 HDMI 2.1 port you'd recommend?

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Unfortunately, there are no Samsung TVs with more than one HDMI 2.1 port right now.

[@cpusca]

QN95A

[@ManofSteel89]

The qn95a but I don’t think that’s available in the U.S

[@xm3405]

@@RTINGSdotcom inaccurate statement and I’m not even referring to the QN95A. 8K neo qleds are 4x hdmi 2.1 with the one connect box and they are in north america. please edit your statement to say north america and 4k.

[@jinx20001]

a little bias here as i own a C1 but i do have to wonder how bright some of these rooms are people are sat watching TV in because i don't know about anybody else but most of the rooms in my house have 1 light and a window or 2 and im not opening the curtains and letting the sun beam directly onto my TV so the display being too dim gets thrown about a bit too much in my opinion, i don't think most people are watching TV in an office with 15 fluorescent lights... i have never once thought gosh this TV is dim... well, that's a lie sometimes it aggressively dims when static content is on screen for obvious reasons. the C1 has been absolutely amazing be it watching witcher on netflix, playing RDR2 on my pc... HDR content is crystal clear with no bloom, first display ive ever owned in fact where if HDR is available its a no brainer. cant take too much away from that samsung though and i am as bias as anybody else lets be honest.

[@QuentinQuatermass]

I agree. My media room is in a finished basement which of course screamed for OLED so I bought a C1 to replace my old plasma. But OLED will work in a brighter environment if you make good choices. All if my friends have LEDs in bright rooms and really they should be doing more to control ambient light. A Sunday night football game on LED looks a whole lot better than the earlier daytime games.

[@lasersalmonroll1509]

My OLED was in my office so closing curtains is not an option, so i moved it to bed room. And replace it with qn90a. Light reflection in the movie was the first time i know my OLED got not enough nits It work great as TV but super bad for pc. Good but not great for gaming though.

[@moniquemonicat]

We have 6 windows and a sliding glass door window and we're in Arizona so it's pretty bright year round so hands down the Samsung QN90A is best for us. We just bought a Samsung QN90A today, our bright room was the deciding factor.

[@RTINGSdotcom]

That's a pretty fair conclusion. Feel free to let us know what you think!

[@AsianPersuation24x7]

excellent and informative video, Thank You!

[@alexpappas1573]

This is great, both great TVs that will force both company's to improve on there weak points. Good competition! I bought a QN90, for bright office/gaming room. No regrets, right TV for my application.

[@Ample17]

To be fair there is no improvement anymore for LED technology. It has reached its peak last year. OLED and microled is the future.

[@patrickm1092]

@@Ample17 are you sure? If samsung could use a similar tech like Dual Cell u9dg with their amazing dimming zone tech it will be very different for average customer to see the difference between an oled and led

[@Ample17]

@@patrickm1092 Yup Samsung stated themselves that they make the transition to OLED and Micro LED and stop further developing LED technology 👍🏻

[@alexpappas1573]

LG and Samsung are both at a crossroads in my opinion, LG cant push WOLED much further and Samsung cant push QLED much further. They will both need to transition to new technologies, Samsung will be moving to QD-OLED. I have no idea where LG is heading but they will not be able to transition WOLED to 8k and boost brightness. The heat and power consumption will be too much.

[@alexpappas1573]

@@Ample17 Samsung's ultra high end will transition to 8k Neo QLED and 4k QD-OLED. Samsung LG sourced W-OLED panels will then slot below that, followed by 4k QLED (Likely IPS Based).

[@walker2006au]

Isn't the correct comparison with the G1?

[@RTINGSdotcom]

We've done that video too! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpC7hnVvadefY5I If you meant comparing the QN90A to the G1, you can see that comparison here: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-qn90a-qled-vs-lg-g1-oled/21551/21422?usage=1&threshold=0.10

[@evalangley3985]

If you are gaming, the HDR on the samsung is just way better. And if you are using your TV as a living room monitor, like I do, then there is only one choice, QLED.

[@animaze8043]

I really liked the Samsung until i saw it in person - the local dimming looks decent from a distance, but you can clearly see the dimming zones when there is contrast in a scene (dark sea vs brigt boat) and it really ruined the experience for me. Then, i noticed the lack of detail where the LD was trying to make a black background. To me, having owned a OLED Sony for 4 years, OLED's picture is superior if you can manage reflections and there has been zero issue with burn in - despite playing tekken 7 alot.

[@fearlesslegend2073]

I want to buy oled so bad but I keep hearing horror stories about the burn in ! Should I get the c1 or q90? Or sony?

[@fearlesslegend2073]

I'm a big time gamer , I bought the q60r 2 years ago and its trash

[@drunkhusband6257]

Disagree with Oled looking better, there is far less color, far less brightness, everything looks dull and washed out with no pop, very unrealistically so

[@christoffero89]

@@fearlesslegend2073 i have q90. Might trade in for c1. It looks more natural and the panel lottery on Samsung is a big no no. I got a bad panel

[@christoffero89]

I also notice the local dimming. In movies with black bara i se the black bars light up with the movies. Hate it

[@curbsidetech]

Both seem to be amazing. I need that extra brightness and no risk of burn in

[@brokenwrench404]

Burn in is really a non issue with the newer lg’s. I have a almost 4 year old lg c8 with over 12k hours on it of 60/40 gaming and tv watching. It shows no signs of minimap or hud burn in

[@jinx20001]

many retailers also offer a warranty specific to cover burn in aswell, i have 5 years of burn in cover on my C1 for example. had it somewhere around 6 months now using it as a PC monitor but mainly gaming and watching movies aswell as youtube and its been fine. i also think the brightness issue is overblown, most people don't watch the TV in a massively lit room with fluorescent office lights for example and i dont know why anybody would have curtains or blinds open with the sun blaring in onto the TV either, its kind of an unrealistic scenario which means actually OLED's get plenty bright enough for most people. using the extra brightness of the LCD TV aswell is not really what people typically do, who uses 100 percent brightness, it kills accuracy and blows out details, a well calibrated display is actually pretty dim. But hey, only you know your situation.

[@alexpappas1573]

@@brokenwrench404 What about displaying security cameras on it? I am worried about the grid pattern/timestamps and PTZ controls

[@curbsidetech]

@@brokenwrench404 that's awesome especially with your usage.

[@curbsidetech]

@@jinx20001 good point takes some of the worry away.

[@chopinhoven]

where is image burn ?

[@AudiophileHeaven]

Man, no one is commenting about the fact that none of the QN series of Samsung cannot show proper colors in 4K 120 Hz. They all have a flicker / interlacing artifact when used as a monitor for PC if you go 4K 120Hz

[@AudiophileHeaven]

@@dochvtech22 What does that have to do with the question...? They go into dithering mode by interlacing for colors they do not cover natively, for example shades of orange and strong yellows.

[@toriless]

How about LG C1 vs their own Mini LED Nano Cell series which appears brighter and costs half as much as OLED.

[@xm3405]

their QNED line has blooming IPS panels that are dimmer with worse colour gamut and dimming zones.

[@giovanni2910]

What about price comparisons? That could be a deal breaker for some.

[@gazzerbot385]

They are almost identical in price for the past five months (which is as long as I've been perplexed at making this decision). LOL

[@patka9196]

Bought a C1 48 inches as PC monitor and wall-mounted it. There is no better option for a RTX30 graphics card!!!

[@asmodeusml]

Decided to get rid of my Q90T because of horrible ghosting and bad Game Mode in favor of a C1. And even though it peaks at basically half the brightness of Q90T, perceptually the difference is not as great as numbers may lead you to believe.

[@ivansimoes9200]

Currently I don't see any complaints about burning CX OLEDs (mainly because it's the oldest on the market) and C1, With so many haters on the internet, they would certainly be full of complaints. I have a gaming CX and I avoid games with a fixed HUD (I play on an AOC Agon 32 monitor) and I have OLED LG A1 for movies. The two TV's are spectacular!

[@StarsAtNight1]

On tech websites I see a lot of comments about burn-in experiences when there is newsarticle about oled. Most just move on (without complaining) and never buy a oled again.

[@ivansimoes9200]

@@StarsAtNight1 oled cx forward, can't find complaints. I find many complaints from older models.B9, C9. But I will be more attentive.

[@Da-iken]

of course not because they are really new. We need more time to see how good they perform. But a bx had a burn in from breath of the wild. but it was from a mother and she played botw with full color and dynamic settings.

[@JFLTX]

QN90A is awesome and so is the C1. Different strengths and weaknesses. Tho I do feel in many comparisons, the reviewer does tend to be bias towards the OLED. (Not saying that about yall).

[@PoppaCYS]

I don't know.... is it truly bias if one technology is demonstrably superior to another with regard to picture quality? OLED's greatest weaknesses are the potential for burn-in and its lack of relative brightness when compared with LEDs. Unless you have a super bright room and need a super bright TV or if you have a fear of burn-in, there's literally no reason to choose an LED over OLED.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Both TV's are amazing. I would be happy with either one of them. I have both OLED and LED TV's and I like both technologies. OLED is in my bedroom and LED is in my living room.

[@tracer073]

That’s the way to do it, I have a A80j I’m my bedroom, and it has perfect blacks and contrast but I often times think I would be happier with the bright punchy colors of the qn90a, the A80j oled has black crush and it is dim. I think I would like the bright punchy image better.

[@dose1euro]

C1 out of the box colour accurary was cause of a default unit ? cause if not i dont think it deserves to be praised as the best oled tv at all

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Based on reports we received from other people and how much it deviates from previous reviews, we suspect our unit was just bad in this regard.

[@deepesh2252]

I was in the shop a week ago looking at C1 and QN90A side-by-side, bought the G1 instead and have no regrets. G1 has the Evo panel which is much brighter than the C1, plus a 3 year warranty on the panel that covers screen burn-in. Fits flush on the wall like Samsung The Frame and has art mode as well.

[@IwinMahWay]

Is the warranty available in india too?

[@deepesh2252]

@@IwinMahWay Yes, it can also be extended to 5 years at a reasonable cost.

[@jbmop]

Went with the A80J which has better out of the box color accuracy than the C1.

[@Kenny.1979]

Snap what an amazing TV the A80j is. Colours in custom mode look spot on to me.

[@montazownianr1]

agree

[@hatchetmac]

C1 latest update makes it brighter than it was before

[@Night_City_Vibes]

One gets burn in and only lasts maybe 3 years with high use. So there you go. The other is warranted against burn in, will last at least 8 years and has a long track record of lasting much longer.

[@pete49327]

I will never get an OLED because I watch mostly movies and the OLEDs fail miserably with HDR, Dolby Vision, as the sets are unable to take advantage of HDR/Dolby because of brightness issue.

[@agtpunk7189]

I haved changed 70a samsung for a c1 when you watch a movie or play a videogames in a dark room it's a another level

[@Zoranurai13]

If only sony would come out with a miniled. It would slay given their performance with full array with limited zones

[@michaellubeck7004]

nah. I just returned my 75 inch X95K mini Led yesterday because SDR/Cable TV looked MEH....But my LG C1 looks super sharp and colors pop with SDR ...and even HDR movies looked more of a wow factor on my C1

[@antharian8053]

I have bought the 2017 55 inch LG Oled model...great picture quality but alrd recked by burn ins due to extensive gaming...had first issues 6 months after the purchase. 5+ hours daily gaming...the problem only gets worse...i wasted my money on it. If you plan to game a lot forget about Oled...dont get burned like me. It is unacceptable that Oleds are sold as a gaming option...its a scam...buy an Oled only if you plan to stream movies. If you game as well get a led tv or be rd to retire your oled in a few years. I wish i had known...i wish they had warned me enough...they did not.

[@rnrnrkrk994]

What setting did you use? I have 2018 model but turned on all the OLED protection features like pixel shifting, pixel refresh, logo dimming (static elements often found on games), and reduced brightness to 40%, which was perfectly bright enough for my living room. I still don't see any burn-in as of yet. YMMV since yours is 2017 model that might not have the safety features. I can only expect 2021/2022 ones would have more safety features.

[@TC-zu5rx]

more then 5+ gaming hours daily. Go outside!

[@lasersalmonroll1509]

Totally agree, i bought CX last year. Great for movies and stuff but very bad for some type of game. MMORPG in my case, the screen dim even when I’m managing inventory and all the menu and icon will totally destroy the screen. Moved it to bed room instead.

[@antharian8053]

@@rnrnrkrk994 only pixel reftesh on my model...that doesnt seem to help much..

[@DETERMINOLOGY]

@@TC-zu5rx What gets me is why do people buy OLEDS knowing they going to test burn and Burn in the oled. Alot dont vary content or anything which OLED isnt it if your going to blast the OLED like that

[@Donnshizzle]

I just got a 85” QN90A, awaiting trade in for the C1 77”, the QN90A rainbow 🌈 anti-glare is horrible. I am coming originally from a Panasonic VT30 65” and will invest in better curtains for smaller windows this spring. Main windows in the room are already blackout.

[@xm3405]

LGBTQLED 😂

[@blary5298]

I went with the 65 inch C1. Dont think micro-led tech is there quite yet. Loving it so far.

[@AllenJohn]

Hey, can afford this? No. What about you? No. But yet here we are.

[@Kapono5150]

A self emissive technology vs a back lit technology. Just doesn’t seem fair you know

[@xm3405]

Transmissive*

[@closmartin1273]

And with deals going on now, the Samsung qn90a runs about half the price of the oled. So I'd rather pay about 2500 for the samsung than about 4 to 5k for the LG. And the quality is a great improvement over previous models. And theae are for 85 and 83 inch models

[@RTINGSdotcom]

If you do, we'd love to hear what you think!

[@ShawnLangford]

Mini/Micro LED displays might pull me away from OLED but so far the offerings have not been impressive. Happy with my B6, C9, and most recent purchase C1.

[@andrewskaterrr]

I compared these too in my house and the C1’s color destroyed the QN90A. Also the lock dimming zones are laggy and noticeable. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4Lbh3dpaqpjjas

[@CH-bn7qb]

Yeah I still have my B6 in my bedroom I now have an A90J for my living room Hard to beat OLED

[@braziluluwita8268]

Very lovely, thank you Sir.

[@loitersquadX]

Sony x90j vs both these?

[@RTINGSdotcom]

The Sony X90J is worse overall than both of these options, but is still a great TV. X90J vs C1: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-x90j-vs-lg-c1-oled/21562/21421?usage=1&threshold=0.10 X90J vs QN90A: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-x90j-vs-samsung-qn90a-qled/21562/21551?usage=1&threshold=0.10

[@Blueberrry91]

I got The Samsung q95t 65 in my livingroom and LG c1 55 in my bedroom. And I dont regret it.

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Glad to hear you're happy with your purchases!

[@safebet5841]

I need now a 32 inch OLED uwqhd gaming monitor with 100-144hz!