LG C3 vs. Hisense U8N, Sony Bravia 9 Better Than OLED? | You Asked Ep. 39

[@PUT_N_WRK]

Ready for that streaming box comparison!

[@supergrissi]

It's real easy! If you mostly do your streaming from streaming services go for the Apple TV Box, if you have your own collection, go for the Nvidia Shield TV...

[@MaheerKibria]

So I am fortunate enough to have both an OLED (LG C4 just got it) and a MiniLED (Sony X95L) TV in my house. I also use reference monitors for CG in my office. So my first thing is if you cannot control ambient light in the room go MiniLED. Even If you can control the light in the room The higher peak brightness of miniLED can really make the image pop in ways OLED can't. I don't feel like one is really better than the other but more that they both have drawbacks. OLED gets you deep blacks and Less blooming since you will always have some blooming due to the optics of your eyes. But you might get black crush and you aren't going to get the brightness of the MiniLED. MiniLED can have trouble with blooming but it is less susceptible to black crush and has a much higher peak brightness. For most people, I honestly think MiniLED is the way to go. Almost all the mastering is done using LCD. OLED reference monitors are really new not to mention they are kind of small and and really dim.

[@shanew7361]

Don't forget your complimentary burn in on OLED.

[@KB-kd9pt]

Which application will give you a crisper picture with natural light. I have a lot of windows in my house which give an abundance of sunlight. Please forgive my ignorance on this as I have not done enough research to know which is better. All the best, k

[@Sas-wk9lj]

@@KB-kd9pt The point is, watching a movie in sunlight is never a natural situation but an odd one. If you're talking about casual TV watching during daytime with lots of sunlight,Full array or mini led wins in that condition. If you're planning to buy a TV for majorly watching movies, and want a sharper picture, go for OLED. But you need to watch the movie s during evening or night time in a well lit room, no issues. If you want to watch movies during daytime, you need some blinds/ curtains to control the light.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

I got S95C and X95L, contrary to what the main poster said, the QD-OLED is far superior in PQ and no issues with lack of brightness. I won't try to justify my purchase of mini led and I think it's bit hyped. I feel it'd equally do, if I purchased full array led X90L (much cheaper).

[@supergrissi]

@@shanew7361 Something you shouldn't worry about!

[@MrOmega52]

I look forward to the Q&A video all week. I have learned so much on these episodes as well as the other videos. Keep'em coming.

[@michael-4k4000]

Caleb Denison for president of the United States of America

[@tonypeng1815]

Hisense U8N 65" is $1099 at BestBuy right now, $500 less than LG C3

[@supergrissi]

Actually some fair questions and the answers was also spot on... Well done.

[@pj-bj2zm]

CALEB YOU ROCK FOR PICKING MY QUESTION!! Unfortunately I tried but cant swing the LG G3 so I am going to purchase a 55" LG C3 hopefully this weekend 🎉. Thankyou again for picking my question!!!!

[@supergrissi]

Then you should try and swing for the 65" instead. BIG difference, assuming you have the space...

[@pj-bj2zm]

@@supergrissi unfortunately I don't have the space for 65 in the 55-in was already pushing it LOL

[@kineahora8736]

I almost bought the G3 after finding out about the G4 HDMI problem-but I chose to pay up for a S95D instead… I got my friend a C3 because she wasn’t really into paying tip top dollar but I told her the C3 was too good to pass up at $899…

[@InstruMentalCase]

Now the 2024 65” U8 is $1,100 and the 2023 C3 is $1,600. I just bought a 2024 85” U8 for $1,800. For reference, last year’s 83” C3 is $3,300 on sale right now.

[@richiejrich]

I want the Apple TV vs Nvidia Shield AV enthusiast comparison video so baddddddd

[@ar-videos]

Shield is a 5year old soc, it’s practically abandonware. Cannot do av1. Cannot do hdr+. It cant even do googles own hdr on the youtube we are watching here. All of which are formats showing up more and more. No reason an ‘enthusiast’ would be touching such out of touch tech.

[@Jacpark]

Gidday from Australia Caleb, thank you for another awesome video, just wanted to let you know your show has viewers all the way here down under. Colin, Melbourne Australia.

[@timothys9288]

I have a LG C3 OLED and love it.

[@philb-ze8sz]

My Sony A80K streaming apps looked better than any streaming box I took home, Apple4K-Ruko's best unit. Same trying cable-cutting KZbin /Fubo, My Verizon FIOS cable box looks better and has more consistent picture quality and sound. While costing less. My question is when I watch these types of reviews and they show how one OLED or what ever is brighter than the other and I can see it on my Sony A80K which means my TV can reproduce that brightness level. if so I would not be able to see it on my Sony. right? Love the channel. All TVs will look as good as lighting conditions and like all my past TVs they look better with lower nighttime lighting.

[@MattyDaddy14]

One of the best q&a sessions ever! 🎉 I’ve been pondering all these questions for awhile now!! Thank you! Especially the tv apps Vs external device! Also, I can’t wait for your detailed reviews of the new Bravias!! I hope you offer advice on the different video setting options other than just filmmaker mode! 🎉😊

[@Raul-wi6rs]

Good morning, despite not understanding the English language well, I watch your videos about televisions, I would like to make one comparing the Hisense U8N TV with the TCL QM851, both from the year 2024, thank you.

[@kineahora8736]

Hi Caleb. Just so you know-there’s an ongoing issue with LG G4 TVs involving messed up HDMI ports (particularly the most important HDMI 2 port) where video is scrambled when you switch from an internal TV app to the HDMI 2 port. There’s a 6-page AVS forum thread on it with multiple users reporting the issue, and one user reports his local Best Buy has already processed 17 returns of the G4. LG has yet to even officially address the issue. It’s a real shame as I was just about to buy that TV and all the reviewers love it…

[@Canuck-1976]

The whole which is better internal apps or AppleTV 4K as an example. That actually depends there has been situations where the DV looked better on internal apps. This is the whole "Player led vs TV led" HDR/DV. With AppleTV it might do the processing and the TV isn't as involved as much. The really important part would be for example Sony XR Clear. Does it work on anything. Meaning anything connected via HDMI or only on internal apps? If it only works on internal apps then it would be better to use them when streaming since you get the extra upscaling and cleaning of low bit rate content. Even 4K streams. I wish someone actually made a proper comparison. Side by side.

[@wayneboiles6136]

Got my LGC3 65” for 1498, it is amazing. Hate to steal from McDs but I’m loving it

[@electronicsaxman1]

The real answer is the U8N is gonna be 900 bucks in 6 months and the C3 isn’t

[@pete49327]

Suggestion: Do a comparison of Apple streaming box vs. a 4k blu-ray player.

[@MadViking82]

Hi Caleb! Thanks for the awesome content as always. You are one of the beacons in the industry for TV enthusiasts! One question: Would you have time to delve into U8N ADS Pro panel at 75"? This is a very interesting purchase for the (admittedly slowly) growing users who utilize a large TV screen as PC monitor. I for one, have been using TVs as PC monitors for over 10 years, you get the best of both worlds for cinema and gaming. Thanks, and hope you feel refreshed after your holidays!

[@richardwilson2621]

I have followed your content for years . When i need answers about the newest tv this or that you are the go to guy . All tvs seem to be trying to catch up to the oled tech . I believe the lcd advancements have reached the maximum as far as it can go . Oled still has some wiggle room with brightness and then it will be capped off as well . I finally bought my first oled its the 77 inch lg c3 i,ve never seen such a beautiful tv picture as long as the content is there the upscale is pretty good you have to give the unit something to work with . I ,ve had my oled for a month every now and again i go on youtube and run those oled test 4k documentaries just to see what this space ship can do . Nothing can compare and thank you for all your info on tv tech ................

[@thomasstyles4785]

For the C4 if you are interested in gaming it does 144hz

[@Alex335i]

Hi Caleb, you had the pleasure to play around with 97" LG OLED G2. There are some interesting deals right now with more than 40% discount. What is your opinion about that TV now in light of current progress of new models, keeping in mind it's sole function would be movies and streaming? Thanks :)

[@chrisbullock6477]

we've never had a problem with LG OLED installed apps. Always had good streaming and quality.

[@cashy57]

I think when we’re comparing MiniLED vs OLED it’s important to also bring overall value into the conversation. I recently picked up a 65” TCL QM8, and I’ve come to enjoy watching movies on it way way more than my LG CX 77”. The peak brightness on QM8 just really makes HDR content have that “wow” factor. Obviously OLED has come a long way since the CX, but I don’t think I could justify the price difference if I was in the market for another TV at this point. I’m nearly completely satisfied with the QM8. (I got my QM8 for around $700)

[@steveludwig4200]

And SONY will always be better than any of those...

[@R6ex]

Guess you're not referring to dark room viewing .... ???

[@TBoogy3]

I was just about to say to the op that I'm in a similar boat. I have a 85 inch Sony and the lower level TCL and I enjoy watching 4k HDR content better on the TCL due to brightness.​@@steveludwig4200

[@Jonathan-bv7qs]

HDR is overrated, higher brightness doesn't mean WOW..

[@jrfarawayfrom2016]

​@@steveludwig4200 I have been a Sony fan since I was old enough to remember - however.... I have been buying lg TV's for the last 15 years, and MSRP be damned, the sony's I do like cost twice as much as the LG OLED offerings that look good to me....

[@ChannelBri]

LG G3 is $2,300 at best buy now. The other day, Costco had the Samsung S90C for $1999 with total of 5 year warranty plus $150 Costco Cash. S90C seems like best deal now

[@IBODEGAI]

I have oled. I have since bought a tv that’s supposed to be “almost” oled. It’s not. Extremely disappointed. Once you go oled you don’t go back.

[@AntonioCunningham]

I'm looking to go back. After experiencing a 12 hour image retention event, I went back to my TLC 6 series. Sadly it's starting to die (almost 7 years old) and I'm reentering the market. I won't be getting another OLED.

[@lovelorn88nick]

​@AntonioCunningham really??? I have the LGC2 Oled, had it for alil over 1 year now. Absolutely ZERO screen issues so far. I play alot of games on it and retro games with a scaler I've heard OLED got better within the past few years

[@AntonioCunningham]

@@lovelorn88nick I have a LG C1 and it happened 8 months into ownership. I took a break from playing Monster Hunter by watching 90 minutes of Anime while I ate dinner. I went to start gaming and had the widescreen bars on the TV. It lasted at least 12 hours. Because of this, I now get stressed when using the TV longer than 90 minutes. While I know logically, I shouldn't worry about burning... especially since I made sure my warranty would cover burn in, but I'm human, not a robot. That experience makes me feel terrible every time I use the C1. So yeah my next TV will not be a OLED. I much rather have peace of mind than a Superior image quality. Sadly it took me experiencing that image retention to fully understand why burning is still a issue for people like myself.

[@IBODEGAI]

@@lovelorn88nick yeah. I get that nothing is perfect. I’m on a B7. It’s still absolutely glorious. Replacing it this year with a g4 and the B7 is replacing the mini led in the bedroom.

[@lovelorn88nick]

@AntonioCunningham man that sucks, odd how that happened though, I have my screen saver set and it auto dims after about 10 or so minutes of no video activity. I bought mine in April 2023. Use it ALOT. It's a LGC2 55inch. No trolling I've had zero issues. I am always worried about burn in though

[@elac1256]

'Liked' for covering the effects of 'all day' usage and burn-in. Thanks.

[@airforcex9412]

I’ve been following this industry for decades. There’s a review embargo and all you’re getting are Sony talking points. Wait a month or so and notice how reviewers will start casually saying it’s not as good as OLED because of the reasons we already know…

[@johnniejohnson8026]

As much as I would love to have a OLED I am a gamer and live on my TV off and on all day and night another great video Caleb

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Yeah I would Grab Samsugn S95C if not getting U8N. Def NOT C3. C3 is seen as downgrade for a lot of folks thinking that its too dim. HDR Gamming tested PEAK at -480nits, its ridiculous, ppl have to like live in pitch black single life for that even on spring days. :)

[@davidross7255]

Hey Caleb! Does the 75-inch U8N use an ADS IPS PRO panel, if so, wouldn't the viewing angles on the 75-inch look better than the 65 inch which uses an VA panel?

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

I would take the ADS-PRO. I cant explain. I thought ADS-pro will be lower tier or catching up game. But WALKING the store seeing 75” U8K ,,,I walking out Flipped UPSIDE down. They are the MOST GLOSSY panels ever. They look like Acrylic wall art glossy . On top they absorb light 2X as OLED. So it looks like dark glossy portal on those Star 🌟 Trek show.

[@whogg0521]

I tell you, you are making it VERY hard not buy a new 75 inch TV. My C6 is suffering burn in in the lower 5th, due to watching the news constantly during the pandemic. I bought it used and have never seen 3D better. I just want to hold out hope that all this great processing will being back 3D HDR.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Dude good for u. Yeah the LED has Advanced SO much. That MY 2021 U8G Hisense, makes my $1100 Ipad-PRO with the (M2 Chip, the same Chip in MAC-PRO) look like $250 cheap tablet. I am NOT making this up. Its shocking. They are so advanced in visual its unreal.

[@homebtsea]

I’m in same situation with my C6. It developed burn in over last 2 years and more recently a weird green tint in the middle of the screen when faces or similar colors are positioned there. But definitely 3D on it is still amazing. Any replacement will have to be cheaper now due to me and the wife being laid off several years ago.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

@@homebtsea yeah I hear ya. Once U See a Hisense (set up, Black level turned down, NOT like what he presented in some of his mushy videos) u will thin its QD-OLED. Not even WOLED. Thats what Happened to me in store, check ing the TV. All the sales ppl came like” its d same as OLED”. N the a dude behind me checking 75” SONY Flagship A95K qd-OLED like”what is that”. N came over checking it for like 20 min. Lol cuz he thought I was working there. Lol 😂

[@zigpop67]

@@homebtsea Just like you, guys ! Looks like 3D lovers are dinosaurs, now ;) I love my c6v, very well tuned, perfect 3D ! Just... These horrible burn in that appeared last year... Desperate to find something that could replace it. (because of the 3D, it is like impossible)

[@jcguevara6223]

Lol .. like comparing Lexus and Mercedes to a Hyundai Genesis. 😅😅

[@Mike-pn2si]

Good, really looking forward to that Shiels vs ATV comparison. Love your stuff.

[@lifewithintergrity]

Have both. The Apple TV is better imo.

[@RBzee112]

I own and use 2 Nvidia Shield TVs for streaming and live TV. The Apple TV is more powerful, but I don't like the closed ecosystem.

[@hectorsaldana7021]

​@@lifewithintergrity I have apple tv 4k but I'm not sure if it's me but it doesn't support all audio formats

[@tonypeng1815]

Why bother with 8K, it's gimmick at best. Human eye resolution pixel per degree is 60. Comfortable max FOV for human is 60 degree which translate to 60*60=3600 pixels smaller than 4K. Color accuracy, contrast and the ability to retain details in both end of brightness spectrum are what's important.

[@JavimenX]

I feel like Hisense lost it’s way, they were supposed to be the budget choice. At $1500 they’re no contest to C3 or Samsung S90C If you want LED instead of OLED just get the Sony x93L that is at the same price; some would say Hisense is better for gaming as it supports Dolby Vision gaming and stuff, but being real their implementation of VRR is very buggy so I believe most folks would be ok with a proper HDR10 VRR implementation than a glitchy all rounder

[@felipeepilefelipe]

Hisense still is the budget choice in this case. You could get the U8N on promotion for almost half of the price of the C3…. And the U8N has all the high end capabilities, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, HDR10, IMAX, DTS, 144 hz, 4 HDMI 2.1, very fast and responsive Google OS. The mini led and Quantum dot makes a great work with blacks and you have more bright than the C3.

[@moo8698]

lol. I want accurate picture. I don't care how shiny, colorful, etc it is. I want to see what the director wants to show.

[@techsamurai11]

Yeah but you can get that image in the cheapest tv if you calibrate it. Why get a top of the line tv to get a flat two-dimensional lifeless image? There’s going to be no comparison between the filmmaker mode and the best-looking image an A95L can produce.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

​@@techsamurai11sounds like you got something terribly wrong with your TV. Filmaker mode picture never is flat. It has better depth and tone mapping with great shadow details.

[@techsamurai11]

@@Sas-wk9lj point me to a video where Filmmaker mode looks better than Standard in Warm 1-2 (ideally 1.5). Quantum TV has 1,000 videos showing how bad Filmmaker mode is. I changed my TV to cinema mode in Succession and the picture literally died - there's no other way to explain it. My TV would have looked like a TV from the 80s. I can't even take Live Color off my Sony - it never looks better without it. I know it's not accurate but it looks better so it stays on. It's not like it picks an orange instead of blue, it picks a more vibrant color. And I've watched everything on that TV from Rififi to the Hitchcock Anthology, to every John Ford Movie to a 1,000 series. And of course gaming isn't gaming without the TV in proper settings with Reality Creation on. In fact, Reality Creation is easily the #1 gaming TV feature of all time surpassing HDMI 2.1 by a mile.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

@@techsamurai11 I'm sorry to hear you get ugly looking PQ when turned to filmmaker mode. I am coming from Samsung S95C perspective and believe me or not, I used to do a lot of tweaking to see which mode I should settle on until I found filmmaker mode to be working best especially for SDR movies. However, I own Sony X95L too and I got it set at Dolby vision mode with reality creation turned on at 80% and live colour medium. I agree, without live colour on, the PQ is awful and reality creation manual setting is must for a sharper grainy picture ( for upscaled videos). When playing DV content, I don't touch the settings as it looks natively good with auto selection of 'Dolby Vision Bright'. One thing that dramatically changes the literally bad/dull PQ to great is to set the Ambient Optimisation Pro/Ambient Light Sensor setting to 'off'. Rififi is a great old movie (in b/w), I too watch some great oldies like 12 Angry Men, Hitchcock short TV series, Twilight Zone...

[@32toddv]

I got the U8N 55" forfreeformy honest review. That said, it hasavery nice picture straight on, but off angle is horrible. It doesnt come close to either my C1 or G3 OLEDs at all.

[@gauravgoel8092]

There there, Caleb said OLEDs cause burn in.. as I think in most of the houses TVs are on from morning till late night at least on most of the weekends...

[@tuckerjeffrey]

Looking to purchase a great 77" TV.. Should I get a C3, C4, G3, G4 or the Bravia 9? I have destroyed 3 LG TVs watching Fox News. I can't handle the burn-in or image retention any longer.. It is terrible but I know it is my fault. Heck, I sleep with it on Fox News most nights. Thanks for the Video. Who has the TV to beat in 2024?

[@gurkdoinwork]

the streaming quality question speaks to a search i had early last month. turns out different web browsers allow for different streaming quality. I've got a 4k tv mounted above my desktop. This took me by surprise.

[@viacoms]

Hisense U8N is my choice !!! Love it !

[@hababacon]

I got the C4, Best Buy had a sale during the 4th. The C4 looked better than the C3 from what I saw in person. The C3 looked dimmed by comparison looking at the 65 inch model. I picked up a 48 inch C4 as I'm using it as my PC monitor.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

C3 C4 same brightness in 48 42, you only get boosted brightness on the c4 55 and up

[@hababacon]

@@beammeupscottsp7952 There's a few more benefits you get. Slightly lower latency, slightly better color volume, better sound, and 144hz mode. My friend informed he can force 132HZ on his 65inch C3. Is 120hz to 144hz a big difference? No, is it worth $300 more? Probably not at the 48 inch model. The 65inch model is a yes. Am I satisfied with my purchase? Yes! Side note. The green tint is semi noticeable at non useable angles if the background is mostly white or yellow. Darker colors I don't notice it, but this is my PC monitor. I'm heads up on it 99% of the time. You would have to purposely stand at an extreme angle to see it which is basically looking at the TV from the side.

[@X1ao4]

I have a tcl 98x11g, it big & bright and thanks to 5000 dimming zones it's very hard to find a blooming area.

[@ducatii360]

TVs are being banged out as fast as cellphones it’s over kill and needs to be slowed down. There is no reason TVs should be obsolete 6 -12 months after purchase. It’s horsesh!t

[@p0larz0mbies]

I bought a 75in U8K (75in has the ads pro ips panel instead of VA) and have been very happy with it. It gets bright af and looks great.

[@davidross7255]

How are the viewing angles? I'm stuck between a U8N 75 inch or a G4 77 inch.

[@armylrs2391]

Too bad the video processing is abysmal

[@PatWalsh-l8y]

@@davidross7255I’m sure the G4 is a superior tv but that comes at twice the price. I paid 1200 for my 75 U8k. The question is the G4 worth spending 2k more on for that increase in picture quality. Only you can answer that.

[@Da-iken]

@@davidross7255 ADS panel have good viewing angles and a more glossy finish. VA has bad viewing angles. So the TV needs a viewing angle filter, but that will lower the VA panel contrast and making it more greyish to the eye, depending on the finish. But from what i´ve seen most Hisense VA panel have bad viewing angles. So no viewing angle filter. Can´t speak for the U8N.

[@p0larz0mbies]

​@@armylrs2391 ?

[@RobSnow-ui4sz]

Great video....what do you define as an older TV?

[@ericlarsen6209]

Hi Caleb, long time subscriber and follower by the way I learned a lot about tvs with you. My question is it too much difference between the A80l and the Bravia 8?

[@michael-4k4000]

Good question. Hardware wise, it's the same more or less, but the Bravia 8 has some new software and processing issues

[@ericlarsen6209]

@@michael-4k4000 as I understand, it is a little bit brighter, the bezels changes and includes special picture modes for Netflix Amazon and Sony app, explain the issues.

[@williammaverick]

Short Answer: Mini LED has surpassed OLED. Why do you think Sony used it for their flagship model? You really think one editor knows it better than Sony's engineers? LMAO

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Because in science 🧬 program, the professo explain how EYES 👀 work n form image. N explain about “Black level “ vs slightly less black level vs bright vs dim …. If u are bright parking lot do u see? Too bright !!!! But WHY do u see BRIHT ppl in outfits on stage looking CLEAR??? THEY have VERY Vibrant COLORFUL OUTFIT! Do Black level matter on stage? NO becase U need bright outfit n COLOR DENSE outfit to SEE. Do we see BETTER at back of tall building or cloudy day? Or we see bright spring morning, or in the mall? Cuz all the lighting n spring clear day make things Bright n POP. RESULT(Science) HUMAN EYES see MOST comfortable with LOT of COLOR Density, NOT just Black. Mini LED focus on Luminance but they are NOT 1 trick pony, they have advanced SO much to have VERY DENSE color Volume(match QD-OLED) to creat the most vibrant but concrete visual. Those ocean fish tank/Aquarium , the 🐠, I am loooking at right now, its 3D becaue the Dense shade of color, there is NO black on the fish body. The premium LED can creat the visual that suits Human eyes the MOST day time/night both.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

immature kids not allowed here to comment

[@williammaverick]

@@Sas-wk9lj lemme guess. you just bought an expensive OLED TV. suck it up and move on.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

@@williammaverick dude, I've been buying expensive top tier TVs from top brands since the year you weren't born.

[@R6ex]

LEDs much better value than OLEDs at big screen sizes.

[@n.andersen]

I've had my TCL 75" miniLED tv for a couple of weeks now. I love the size and hate the picture quality. Considering going back to my 7 year old LG OLED with burn in until I find a good offer on a large OLED TV.

[@MSE9107]

Which tcl you got ? And what do you hate about the picture quality ?

[@n.andersen]

@@MSE9107 I had the C845. Ended up returning it and got a S90C instead. Much happier with this. The colors and motion are much nicer. The design is also nicer IMO

[@fZionists78]

Love the unbiased takes. I have no interest in TVs, but I genuinely appreciate honesty.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

if you don't know anything about TVs how can you tell if someone is being unbiased in their takes?

[@FatMax420]

​@@Sas-wk9ljNo favoritism or bias was shown toward either tv technology. Clear pros and cons were explained for both.

[@michaelbraaten]

I haven’t watched the vid yet, but just from the intro, I can tell you I have had other issues besides basic picture quality with external streaming boxes compared to apps built in to the TV. We are having issues with our Apple TV 4K, where the KZbin app glitches on every single advertisement. The sound and video flash to black multiple times and some of the ad (and then some of the content after the ad) is cut off. It’s so jarring to watch, I’ve switched to the LG WebOS version since most of my watching is on KZbin. We’ve had plenty of other annoyances with the Apple TV recently as well. I love the platform though; I am just waiting for a new version to come out. Hopefully they’ll support 120 Hz refresh rate finally too.

[@homebtsea]

Is your Apple TV default video setting showing 4K HDR ( or 4K Dolby Vision)? That can cause the blackout screens on KZbin. Set the default video to 4K SDR and try KZbin again. The blackout screens are caused by the Apple TV converting non HDR signals to HDR. My first gen 4K ATV would do the same thing you described.

[@michaelbraaten]

@@homebtsea I figured it out shortly after making that comment. I have the Apple TV set for Dolby Vision, but so is my TV… I had the “match content” option checked in the Apple TV, and THAT was what was causing the blackouts.

[@michaelc.1588]

I have the LG C3....and a very old Sony Bravia. To replace the Bravia.... What's the difference between the U7N & add a soundbar, VS. U8N with its nice built in speakers: less desire for a soundbar?

[@jgilliam1955]

My wife bought my last TV after watching your videos. It is the Samsung QN75QN90D GREAT TV. You made two outstanding comments. One was most people want a picture that looks good to them. So, they never mess with the settings. The second was if you watch a lot of TV or run your TV a lot a OLED is not for you. Both of these statements are true. My OLED had burned in after 13 months. I watch a lot of TV. I am retired, and my TV is on maybe 16 hours daily.

[@gadjox]

The Bravia will be brighter and better for daytime and well lit environments, while the oled will be more accurate and better for darker rooms and movie watching. Also, oled quick response makes more sense for gaming. I think that oled can already get bright enough, or will be there eventually. Why bother with anything else? Streaming quality depends on codec and bitrate. Generally I don't think internet streaming will be better than a bluray anytime soon.

[@ramonzaions7522]

Bravia 9 gonna be TV of the Year!

[@carlkidd752]

My PC monitor is the 55U8G and my living room has the 65U8H. Both are-were massive upgrades over my 48" Samsung and 65" SONY Bravia models. To be sort of fair, they were both 8 years old when replaced. I do not get the "best" out of either Hisense as I refuse to turn on the mandatory spyware that comes with all "smart" TVs. You do your audience a massive disservice by refusing to call out the mandatory enabling of spyware. A big reason I have not watched many of your TV reviews in the past year. I guess you value your job and income more than truly helping consumers.

[@Turd_Furgeson]

The question is in the price per inch for the Sony 9 make it the best for the average TV buyer

[@michaelclark4855]

Great run through. So what would be the best type of screen for all day viewing and for sports and movies, as I can't keep up with the different ones? Thanks!

[@Marc.Google]

SHIELD vs APPLE TV! Yes please, Caleb.

[@allie12212]

I love my LG C3 65 inch

[@itztriplec6380]

As some one who has an older LG C9 and a C3, I recently purchased the 75 inch Hisense u8n for the living room and let me tell you it's a darn good tv! From a distance it really does rival OLED contrast. The brightness is insane, I had to lower it to about half! Godzilla x King Kong and Pacific Rim streamed through Fandango was a visual treat!

[@scottmulholland7975]

I also have a 65" C9. I was thinking about the U8N. Which do you like comparing those two?

[@powerfrenzy]

I'm still not clear on the benefits of using an apple tv box over, say, the apps on my Sony's Google tv interface. I am fine with the quality I get from the built in apps though so eh... I don't stream enough for it to be a big thing. Would make for an interesting video if you expand on the comparison you mentioned for apple tv vs Nvidia

[@adamobrien1945]

I LOVE this series. Thank you for doing it. On the topic of external streamers to internal tv apps, I've really enjoyed the external options once my panel no longer receives support. I am still enjoying my 65in LG E6. The panel still looks great, I enjoyed watching Avatar 2 in 3d at home (haha), but the support of the onboard apps are long gone at this point. I like the idea of buying the latest apple TV, Roku Ultra, or shield to "keep my os up to date" whole still enjoying a viable panel. I also have employed a HD Fury from arcana to guve me a split earc and enjoy lossless Atmos with my sould system. The idea that we can extend the viability of these panel beyond their supported schedules is just great!

[@johncaruana6406]

What a great video. Thanks.

[@ashishpatel350]

sony and lg over any hijunk

[@NetNathan1]

How about Amazon Fire TV for streaming?

[@gewoonjasper_]

I’ve seen the c4 no difference with the c3

[@Erg0_Sum]

Just bought a 65” C3 this morning for 1400 CHF I’m excited. Just moved to Switzerland from the State. Is there any significant differences between the C3 series in Europe vs USA? I know we get the U8KQ which operates off Vidaa instead of Google TV.

[@michael-4k4000]

How much is that in Baht?

[@Shizzle700]

Bring on the Bravia 7

[@KarmaWillCatchEveryone]

Personally it depends on the OLED technique, I very much like QD-OLED and MLA-OLED because of the capability to brighten up pure color levels instead of just white. It’s just a different league than any LCD.

[@jimv1983]

QD-OLED looks great but I wouldn't buy one due to the short lifetime.

[@tkburn1439]

The shield is too old to support hdr10+ these days. 😢 Cmon Nvidia give us something new.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

OLED is king in a dark room Miniled is more suited for a bright room. Both tech are intended for different use cases.😊

[@Sas-wk9lj]

only fools watch movies in a super bright room. Watching TV in a bright room is a superficial issue created by marketing guys to sell mini LEDs

[@primemegatron22]

He just said a forbidden word, he said, "FOX NEWS".... omg, omg, I'm so triggered right now!!! 🤭🤭

[@richardseip4954]

Oh the fascism channel? Ya, pass.

[@tubey84]

Seen a U8K and C3 in a 'normal' living room setting, haven't seen a U8N. That said, even with brightness taken into account, there's no contest - the C3 wins hands down; just has the wow factor. The U8K is great, but there's levels to the game here. At the same price point, unless your TV is set up facing directly into the sun for some reason, you'd go with the C3, unless the U8N is a dramatic upgrade.

[@lorddrifter7296]

The c3 is dim as hell tho. Its basically unusable in anything other than vivid and even then its still dim

[@KyleReeseCel2029]

I'd have to see for myself. The U8k can do everything according to Rtings at a high level. While you get an overall better picture with a C3. You don't have to worry about stutter or brightness levels as much with that LCD. Then if you want to buy a 77 or 85 inch tv you'll save thousands by getting the hisense. Unless the image is really overrated the hisense appears to be a better value.

[@Ultimategaming-j3r]

I sell TVs and to be honest I have compared them and although OLED is really good hands down the U8K is soo good especially for what you are paying

[@starwing0]

Same price point?

[@Smg_Glxy]

Absolutely not. Even TCLs new mini led flagship is better standing next to this.

[@abelramirez7391]

I thought burn in wasn’t such a big deal on Oled’s anymore. Bought a 65 C3 a few months ago because a bunch of reviewers said not to worry about it. MY C3 is on for most of the day and is off at night when everyone is 💤🛌

[@frommatorav1]

It's true that OLED isn't the burn in risk it used to be. However, Caleb was just warning that certain users are still at risk if you're watching Fox News or CNN all day with the static logos and crawls 24/7. With my LG C1 65" OLED, I've had it over a year and a half with close to 8000 hours use and don't have any degradation that I've noticed. I also vary my content and when I do pause something for too long, my TV dims itself automatically.

[@charlesthornberg4087]

I have a 55 inch LG C9 with over 16,000 hours on it. I have no burn in it has an awesome picture my use case watching cable TV Sunday to Thursday and Friday and Saturday watching movies and cable TV I don’t think you have anything to worry about as long as you vary your content.

[@TheRealBertMoog]

Amazon has the *** 75" *** U8N on sale for $1499

[@andyadler]

As does Best Buy -- until the end of today at least. I'm torn between this and the LG C3 -- leaning toward the latter, as I don't have an overly bright space and watch movies mostly, no gaming. OLED stutter does concern me, though.

[@kingjamesangelo23]

I switch from LCDs to the 42” and 65” C3 and my experience with Lg has been better

[@michael-4k4000]

Have all OLED now. But I would love to have a Bravia 9!

[@partizanbgd0113]

Plasma TVs were also dimmer, but contrast, deep blacks, and overall picture quality was so superior to anything on the market. My Panasonic VT25 is still rocking, in a quest bedroom to be fair, but for the first 8 years was in full use and I never had any issues with it. OLED to me is what plasmas were back in the day. I don’t care for too much brightness, but on these OLEDs, colours pop so much, I really don’t feel they are lacking any brightness (C3/4, G3/4, Bravia 8, Samsung OLED S90C/D I believe). Respect your purchase and don’t treat it like a Walmart Casio watch and it will last you a long time. Buy extended warranty for any lemon purchases and you won’t regret getting that crystal clear picture you get from OLED. Just my 2 cents. And yes, if you are looking to upgrade your 8-10 year old tv, buy a previous year model, it will be a huge improvement over your current tv and you’ll save a lot of money, or get more for your buck, like a bigger screen for the same price new models sell for in smaller screen size. Cheers

[@thepawecio]

I have lg oled right now. It pretty old now, but its still great for movies i watch. But my next tv could be miniLed from Hisense or TCL from 2 main reasons. 1. Size - i want something in 98-100 inches. 2. Brightness - i often watch movies in daylight and 3500 - 5000 lumens peak brightness would elevate my watching experience in that environment.

[@absoluteresolution3822]

It’s simple, get an OLED if your price range allows for it. The top tier LED’s are just as expensive as the OLED’s of the same size so why would you buy an LED TV!? I have top tier TVs of both technologies and OLED in my case now the Samsung QD OLED is my favorite. You can’t go wrong with an LG, Samsung or Sony OLED. Sony is overpriced though. OLED’s are bright enough now to be in any room. Like he said the only reason not to get an OLED is if you leave your TV on for 8 plus hours a day on news channels or anything that has permanent banner which will cause burn in. There’s no need to debate picture quality anymore and not even when comparing the top OLED’s because unless you are staring at each TV side by side and very close up looking for minute differences in brightness and color you will never see those perceived differences in real viewing. We have reached peak TV tech in my opinion and the only thing they can do now is advertise BRIGHTER to get you to upgrade. Rant complete!!

[@williammanion3616]

I would like to purchase the Hisense u8n 55" however, I'm having difficulty finding the real specs. Hisense website has the 55-in model listed as 3,000 nits found out it's like the last year's K- model at 1,500 nits. And all the reviews only list to 65" and 75" when tested. Based on the information, I feel I would be buying last year's model. So would you happen to know what differences are between the k model and the n model?

[@Emptrix]

Hey Caleb, are there any ETA on the Bravia 7 and 9 reviews that you can share with us?

[@techsamurai11]

I'll say the following about accuracy - I was watching a scene from Succession from HBO with Logan's face wearing a burgundy turtleneck and some reflections from a door iirc. I switched to Custom. My god. Sure, it looked like my calibrated monitor with the ugly colors and flat look and made a well-shot scene look like I had taped it on a 480p phone. I switched immediately back. If I had to listened to any of the people who use calibrated modes, my TV would have looked like a $200 defective model instead of the gorgeous lush image that literally fights toe-to-toe against my 1,000-nit full APL 4k OLED laptop in every image. And this was an image where Custom has almost no impact - imagine Toy Story or Coco or Life Of Pi. And I always use my light sensor but I think Sony has a very good light sensor or they used to - maybe the new ones are worse or positioned in worse spots. I know people hate to use them on other brands and maybe they are just horrible. I would have gone blind if I didn't use the light sensor on my TV and it would have been the dimmest TV on the planet during the day or the brightest TV at night. I would love to see a Sony (not OLED of course) in a comparison of SDR and HDR with Standard and Warm2 with less color or Warm1 with more color (essentially Warm 1.5). If you compare Jacob+Katie Schwarz's Venice in SDR and HDR, I do wonder whether folks might not necessarily think HDR is vastly superior given the inability of the TV to defeat the brightness to match ambient light conditions.

[@MSDOGS1976]

I tried an Apple box last year and I sent it back. Didn’t like it at all.

[@bradasstv]

If anyone is looking for a cheaper tv, I was at Best Buy yesterday and the TCL Q7 I believe had an awesome picture for a cheaper tv. I think it was on sale for $899 for a 75 inch! I didn't buy it, but just looking at all the TVs with a novice eye, it looked really good. Thought I'd pass that along because I'm new here, and looking for a tv. Don't know anything else about it, except it looked really good and was fairly cheap as far as 75 inch TVs go...

[@DeRaNgEdOfficial]

Caleb, what's the difference in the u8n 65-inch va panel or the 75-inch ads pro panel?

[@Radders1433]

Sold my Apple TV 4K gen 3 box. Prefer LG C3 apps mostly as apart from Apple TV series or movies then there’s not much difference. Amazon Movies and BBC iplayer look far better on LG apps. However sound seems far better from LG apps when using LG S65Q soundbar.

[@WilliamTaylor-h4r]

I'd just get the 8k because the reciever says, '8k', then the reciever did something. You need a better processor for DTS: Home Theater, or it will junk audio in windows. You ramp up the audio test, and the reciever takes 1.2 seconds to catch up. So if they are talking, it's all quiet, then you hear the rebuttal. If it wasn't just a movie, I would not care, "oh brady your such a wonderful turn bull, but how will we fancify nonsense?"

[@karlhungus545]

The 65" U88N is almost $1,000 cheaper than the C3 here in Canada once you factor tax in. No brainer for my well-lit living room.

[@alexandersahlman4912]

Kudos for making a "Studio Apartment" look like a "TV Studio" by using the right lights & cutaways to illustrate your points. Small spaces with the right lighting take time to setup. Studio settings usually can leave lights in place. Viewers should know that when a show goes on location (remote), the crew size increases for the setup & knockdown. If it doesn't increase, you must pay for longer hours at a higher rate. Simple math vs keeping the cost of the "look" for viewers. Sometimes the look is a necessary sacrifice in favor of content. As you said, do you spend $1k+ more for a TV your eyes & ears will not actually see or hear!?

[@wiggly8484]

Where does the HD firestick stand in this streaming device list?

[@Leo-tf7gu]

Apple TV is better for streaming apps. Period. For file based playback Ugoos / Zidoo / Dune etc. Shield is neither here not there. Suck it up Shields fans. I got rid of my Shield 2 years ago and never looked back.

[@teneriall]

Don’t buy Hisense because the Play 5 don’t recognize the screen for 120fps and looks like trash I just bought the U8H

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

What the hell. Play station does 120hz for u8h its=====proven. Check your HDMI 2.1 cable! It turn out the over HALF of HDMI 2.1 cable on the market are fake, even including the big brands. N there tons videos teach ppl how to make the U8H 120hz. Iam not sure if u have to turn to text clearity on n etc. but u need to change some settings. U8k u8n d 2 are plug in n play. The U8H has to be set to specific way to have 120hz maybe for PS5. Its apparently PS5 friendly. Xbox more iffy .

[@ozrencolic4717]

I am thinking of buying LG G2 or LG C3 model. Not the price is exactly the same for both models. What would you advise me to get?

[@Turd_Furgeson]

Got a 65 inch G3 for 1,500 and the issues with lower than 1080P source materials are bad. My Panny Z series plasma blows it away. Regret not getting the Sony OLED

[@AntonioCunningham]

I'll never by an Apple product so looks like I'm gonna be using the Nvidia Shield ( I no longer want to have my TV connected to the internet after what TCL did with the Force arbitration update)

[@Barbarapape]

Re the LG C3, if you are buying a 42 or 48" one, the C4 has according LG an upgraded panel using the same panel tech as the larger ones. I have just had to return my 48" C3 and the store was not surprised, which to me indicates as to why the C4 has a newer panel tech. As for Hisense vs LG, if you live in a part of the world like the USA the Hisense is fine, but not if you are in the EU / UK where they use their own very buggy Vidaa OS instead of Google, and take it from me Vidaa realy sucks. Best of luck to anyone buying either brand, having returned bad samples of both, i am now waiting until the 2024 models have been tested fully and have a proven reliability record.

[@bobsimmons1470]

I'm an Android user and bought and returned the most recent Apple TV box. I found it frustratingly slow versus Google TV to setup. I suppose if I was an Apple user I may not feel this way. Given the price I just was hoping it would blow me away compared to Google TV but it didn't.

[@computerenthusiast402]

LG C3 65-inch OLED is on sale right now at Costco for $1600. I don't think you can beat this deal and is the Best Value Budget TV right now.