LG G8 Teardown - Dont Remove The Battery?!

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JerryRigEverything

JerryRigEverything

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The LG G8 is a flagship smartphone with modern features, and from the outside it looks like a winner. But what does the LG G8 look like on the inside? This Teardown of the LGG8 reveals that the battery is permanently glued into the housing, and is not replaceable. I think this is unacceptable. If you are deciding between 2 phones to buy, You should NOT buy the LG G8 until they fix their battery adhesive, and add pull tabs under the battery. Batteries dont last forever. And eventually someone is going to either replace the battery, or recycle this phone. And when that day comes... the battery needs to come out easier than this.
I will update this description if LG Changes their manufacturing process to add pull tabs or different adhesive.
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@Chytris
@Chytris 5 жыл бұрын
Nice, you actually charged the battery from 11% to 14% by bending it. Thanks for showing us this trick. It might come in handy someday.
@amhanson_
@amhanson_ 5 жыл бұрын
Chytris Viiet?
@TIMETECH07
@TIMETECH07 5 жыл бұрын
@Ralsei with a gun bUt WaIt, EaRtH iS fLaT?
@brandonh.912
@brandonh.912 5 жыл бұрын
@Ralsei with a gun Earth is actually in the shape of a pool noodle
@ZORU11
@ZORU11 5 жыл бұрын
Ow Maaan... I thought the earth was a smartphone 😞
@omurice1130
@omurice1130 5 жыл бұрын
@Lucas Gawor b r u h
@hanswurst8317
@hanswurst8317 5 жыл бұрын
6:02 The reason for the "dirty" internals of a heatpipe is copper powder which increases the surface and provides a better heat transfer
@Devtrek
@Devtrek 5 жыл бұрын
Came to the comments looking for this, and was not disappointed. Bless you!
@mgcassias
@mgcassias 5 жыл бұрын
This comment deserves more likes!
@YoYo-xr3ew
@YoYo-xr3ew 5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@rizkirachm355
@rizkirachm355 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@stevethea5250
@stevethea5250 5 жыл бұрын
@@Devtrek SMART
@yogeshbadgire
@yogeshbadgire 5 жыл бұрын
Other techtubers: lets get started (turn on the phone) JerryRigEverything: lets get started (turns off the phone)
@chacocheese5918
@chacocheese5918 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@gblargg
@gblargg 4 жыл бұрын
Dave's motto over on EEVblog is "Don't turn it on; take it apart!"
@groszak1
@groszak1 4 жыл бұрын
Samsung: Let's go!
@interRestart
@interRestart 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@DingleDut
@DingleDut 3 жыл бұрын
Lol that was good
@kurczeblade2655
@kurczeblade2655 5 жыл бұрын
I remember when replacing a phone battery took like 15 seconds without any tools
@or2kr
@or2kr 5 жыл бұрын
You mean two seconds by dropping the phone on the ground with everything scattered all over the place
@kurczeblade2655
@kurczeblade2655 5 жыл бұрын
Otto Knabe yea there are cases for a reason you see
@beywolfe10
@beywolfe10 5 жыл бұрын
@@or2kr LOL YES
@dr.donnawalter4380
@dr.donnawalter4380 5 жыл бұрын
@@or2kr - nope, by removing the back cover and lifting the battery out, and replacing with the new one. Still using an LG phone that has the removable battery.
@imnota
@imnota 5 жыл бұрын
@@or2kr Were you born in 2009 or something ? Because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I've never had a phone which the battery fell out by itself. And I had a bunch of different brands of phones, including some that I would throw on purpose and the only time the back popped off it was thrown about 25 meters away, so I'd say that's fair and that would never happen in normal situations.
@GauravGRocks
@GauravGRocks 5 жыл бұрын
LG: Don't remove the battery Me: *owns LG G5*
@nathanmead140
@nathanmead140 5 жыл бұрын
2017 LG K8 (lg us215)
@PMM-rb8nl
@PMM-rb8nl 5 жыл бұрын
@@nathanmead140 I have a k8 lol
@redcowcat8705
@redcowcat8705 5 жыл бұрын
Same, and it had more features than lg g8 ☺
@pedrorojo7851
@pedrorojo7851 5 жыл бұрын
2017 k20plus
@ierikona753
@ierikona753 5 жыл бұрын
I har lg k8 2017 first but now i have lg g6
@nickgehr6916
@nickgehr6916 5 жыл бұрын
LG: *don't remove the battery* JerryRig: **removed the battery* LG: **surprised pikachu face*
@alistergoh9744
@alistergoh9744 5 жыл бұрын
Surprised sonic*
@Muska327
@Muska327 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, I was about to do the same comment
@pin3e
@pin3e 5 жыл бұрын
Zenn Lozanno uhhh meow
@sangyoonsim
@sangyoonsim 5 жыл бұрын
LG: Am I a joke to you?
@everythingloki8231
@everythingloki8231 5 жыл бұрын
I still use my s8 just bcuz u still use it having soo many options to switch ,well mine is still in good shape ,just had to replace the screen onece
@Jackmjedi
@Jackmjedi 5 жыл бұрын
LG: don't remove the battery Zack: It's Free Real Estate
@annoyingguyoninternet1631
@annoyingguyoninternet1631 5 жыл бұрын
LG: ***Shivers***
@SomeoneisGone
@SomeoneisGone 5 жыл бұрын
LG : chuckles im in danger
@muhammadkozimabduholikov711
@muhammadkozimabduholikov711 5 жыл бұрын
Blackview bv9600 pro. You can't broke him
@themixgenius1993
@themixgenius1993 5 жыл бұрын
LG in 2016: promoting removable batteries despite other brands already moved to non-removable batteries in their phones LG in 2019: promoting *planned obsolescence* like other brands
@mwbgaming28
@mwbgaming28 5 жыл бұрын
they should be hanged drawn and quartered for abandoning that feature every phone, tablet and laptop manufacturer should suffer that fate
@zaph2580
@zaph2580 5 жыл бұрын
It's like Anakin turned into Dart Vader.
@3bydacreekside
@3bydacreekside 5 жыл бұрын
Nogla's voice: "Daarrttt Vaaddeerrrr"
@AnshulGuptaAG
@AnshulGuptaAG 5 жыл бұрын
I remember recommending the G5 to my friends for this reason. Times do change quickly..
@simoncarlsson4841
@simoncarlsson4841 5 жыл бұрын
I had a G4 and by buying a new battery that I could switch on the spot I had decent battery life for a lot longer, and then they come with this shit.
@James-bk2xo
@James-bk2xo 5 жыл бұрын
It's so weird to see LG do this to their batteries. I remember loving how my LG V10 still had a removable battery during a time when even Samsung moved to non-removable batteries. LG has changed so much since then.
@stephensnell1379
@stephensnell1379 3 жыл бұрын
Barely any phone will have a removable battery Only the outdated phones contain them
@snjert8406
@snjert8406 7 ай бұрын
@@stephensnell1379 Samsung sells the XCover series, with water resistance AND easily removable batteries, not outdated either. It's just sad that it's just these niche phones that have that feature.
@rambot670
@rambot670 5 жыл бұрын
That is seriously dangerous and highly irresponsible of LG. I always thought their phones were underrated , but if they are pulling shady stuff like this, then I am happy that their market share is floundering.
@s.s.6068
@s.s.6068 5 жыл бұрын
Are all their phones like that tho?
@rambot670
@rambot670 5 жыл бұрын
@@s.s.6068 Of course not, but that still does not justify them doing this for the current or any other smartphone.
@s.s.6068
@s.s.6068 5 жыл бұрын
@@rambot670 Thats a given. Was asking, in case I ever need to change mine :).
@rambot670
@rambot670 5 жыл бұрын
@@s.s.6068 Oh, sorry. My bad. Sincere apologies. I think the G8 series and the upcoming V-series should follow the same f=glued battery. Rest should be fine.
@s.s.6068
@s.s.6068 5 жыл бұрын
@@rambot670 No worries pal.
@joreydearce7244
@joreydearce7244 5 жыл бұрын
LG G8: "DO NOT REMOVE BATTERY" LG G9: "DO NOT JERRYRIGEVERYTHING"
@luminumlx2604
@luminumlx2604 5 жыл бұрын
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@aleph_2ne
@aleph_2ne 5 жыл бұрын
Xu Xu Was I supposed to laugh?
@lonewolf124
@lonewolf124 5 жыл бұрын
Than lg g10: do not sell Jerryrigeverything
@WinBeta918
@WinBeta918 4 жыл бұрын
LG G10: DO NOT LG
@luminumlx2604
@luminumlx2604 4 жыл бұрын
@@WinBeta918 LG G11: do not 《¤¿°`~~~ç1/' 1
@emman100
@emman100 5 жыл бұрын
"It might explode any time now but I like to live life on the edge" 😂😂😂💀
@diegotejada6745
@diegotejada6745 5 жыл бұрын
Edgelord 100
@Yantonio7
@Yantonio7 5 жыл бұрын
savage Jerry-
@MrGamelover23
@MrGamelover23 2 жыл бұрын
So THAT'S how you make it look like an accident when someone dies.
@MrShenable
@MrShenable Жыл бұрын
Me too
@ozzyondirt4003
@ozzyondirt4003 4 жыл бұрын
“Permanent adhesive is dangerous and stupid” *keeps prying with bare hands and metal tool*
@thomps0066
@thomps0066 4 жыл бұрын
Well what do you expect? Stop right there and upload an half-ass video?
@andrewgwilliam4831
@andrewgwilliam4831 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomps0066 Yeah, because video editing isn't a thing.
@jjs6568
@jjs6568 4 жыл бұрын
For someone who doesnt know what they're doing, it is dangerous. For a seasoned tech, it's pretty basic.
@BillAnt
@BillAnt 4 жыл бұрын
Heating the screen lighty to about 90 degrees with a digital heat plate or adjustable heat gun, softens the battery glue and it comes out fairly easily. Duh!
@stephensnell1379
@stephensnell1379 3 жыл бұрын
@@jjs6568 however Jerry in this video DOES know what he's doing as he's made loads of videos that he's put on KZbin
@EdgyShooter
@EdgyShooter 5 жыл бұрын
Weird how everything seems designed for easy disassembly, like the lack of soldered connectors and just having contact pads, and the lack of having proprietary screws. And then they go and glue in the battery....
@lorelo.
@lorelo. 4 жыл бұрын
I mean LG used to make modular phones
@iKingRPG
@iKingRPG 4 жыл бұрын
@@lorelo. yeah
@NotLe0n
@NotLe0n 4 жыл бұрын
It just doesn't make any sense
@jgobroho
@jgobroho 4 жыл бұрын
Well my battery is over heating and is agreeing up my screen now...
@jgobroho
@jgobroho 4 жыл бұрын
I meant messing nor agreeing. My screen looks like a damn magnet hit it
@MultiSilko
@MultiSilko 5 жыл бұрын
Zack : lets get started. Smart phones : *Ah shit, here we go again*
@dictatoroblitorator1115
@dictatoroblitorator1115 5 жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@moseskiplagat5940
@moseskiplagat5940 5 жыл бұрын
😅
@markasKCI
@markasKCI 5 жыл бұрын
OII CJ, U PICKED THE WRONG HOUSE
@jestallionn.5984
@jestallionn.5984 5 жыл бұрын
Someone please make this a meme😂
@stephensnell1379
@stephensnell1379 2 жыл бұрын
@@jestallionn.5984 there is no such thing as memes
@army6669990101
@army6669990101 5 жыл бұрын
JerryRig: *removes the battery* LG: *Wait thats illegal*
@tookie1864
@tookie1864 5 жыл бұрын
LG: *Don’t remove the battery* Zack: *does It anyway* LG: *you weren’t supposed to do that*
@savagekings9187
@savagekings9187 5 жыл бұрын
If u can’t remove the battery then how the hell are you gonna replace ur damaged battery
@army6669990101
@army6669990101 5 жыл бұрын
@@savagekings9187 LG wants you to buy a new LG phone, they dont want you fixing your current phone.
@Chris-hw4mq
@Chris-hw4mq 5 жыл бұрын
@@army6669990101 its youre device you can repar it when you want, greedy guys
@keaundrebrewer
@keaundrebrewer 5 жыл бұрын
@@Chris-hw4mq technically no it may not
@benlin7783
@benlin7783 5 жыл бұрын
Love how you're caring about the consumers more than any phone company can. Love the vids, keep up the good work man!
@shanez1215
@shanez1215 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, LG sponsored him and let him do a teardown on the G6, but the second they decide to do something douchey, Zach let's us all know.
@FaryaWolyo_
@FaryaWolyo_ 2 жыл бұрын
It's awful, because this phone truly has some great features, the dual screen modular addition, good battery life, great RAM and processing speed for the pricepoint. When I bought this phone, it truly stood out in price to performance ratio, nothing came close. I guess there's always a catch...
@JRadian
@JRadian 2 жыл бұрын
LG G8 also had audiophile Sabre DAC chips and actual physical headphone jack, which sounds great. It had removable SD card slot, and I also like their camera's color rendering and overall look of photos. I've used my G8 for 3 years, and now the battery's running down faster and likely dying. Seeing this vid about glued-in battery is discouraging, as there is no equivalent mobile phone available to purchase on the market today with all the features G8 had..
@LarryLopez91
@LarryLopez91 5 жыл бұрын
Back in 2016, LG released the V20, which allowed you to pop the back cover off and *easily* replace the battery. Fast forward 3 years later: LG releases the G8 and makes it downright dangerous for the end user to replace the battery. What the fuck happened...
@iKingRPG
@iKingRPG 4 жыл бұрын
And also they tried to make a modular phone that was super repairable and upgradable. Maybe someone got fired after that failed? 🤔
@feedexinfinity8055
@feedexinfinity8055 5 жыл бұрын
LG: *releases unrepairable phone* Zack: "im about to ruin this man's whole career"
@Twn_Turbo
@Twn_Turbo 5 жыл бұрын
Well I mean he just durability tested the internals...
@boltmix7294
@boltmix7294 5 жыл бұрын
@@Twn_Turbo And confirmed that it's a shit purchase as it makes repairs harder and more dangerous
@luisr5432
@luisr5432 5 жыл бұрын
Brand's*
@mariotorrone
@mariotorrone 5 жыл бұрын
But I'm not a repairman.
@jacebales1523
@jacebales1523 5 жыл бұрын
FeedEx Infinity LG
@ferni0
@ferni0 5 жыл бұрын
*Everybody gangsta until scratches at a level 7 with deeper grooves at a level 8*
@CheeseDoodle
@CheeseDoodle 5 жыл бұрын
HERETIC
@mra.b7406
@mra.b7406 5 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahah
@happy-monk
@happy-monk 5 жыл бұрын
Mu Ha Ha...
@Aakash_Goswami1
@Aakash_Goswami1 5 жыл бұрын
How dare you say that, mortal human
@miroslavbartunek2846
@miroslavbartunek2846 5 жыл бұрын
OW player. OWO
@Xdori23
@Xdori23 5 жыл бұрын
Zack: “skip the LG G8” *LG stock drops by 50%*
@spacy9571
@spacy9571 5 жыл бұрын
Lg doesn even have stock
@JYMAHJAMES
@JYMAHJAMES 5 жыл бұрын
@@spacy9571 they still make the best TVs, and Apple invested billions into LG to make OLEDs sooo
@spacy9571
@spacy9571 5 жыл бұрын
@@JYMAHJAMES im talking about phones :)
@spacy9571
@spacy9571 5 жыл бұрын
@@JYMAHJAMES and they dont make best tvs but their screens are decent like mate 20 pros....Oh wait
@JYMAHJAMES
@JYMAHJAMES 5 жыл бұрын
@@spacy9571 You said nothing about phones you said stocks, don't go all fanboy mode on me
@abyssalx2
@abyssalx2 4 жыл бұрын
Man, your voice bring me peace in that teardown
@SamuelSalzman
@SamuelSalzman 5 жыл бұрын
When you realize that LG was famous for having phones that had user replaceable batteries, when the other manufacturers.
@KR7PT
@KR7PT 5 жыл бұрын
1:10 "If the back glass does break, it's only like, $10 to replace." *Cries in Apple*
@mary_8122
@mary_8122 5 жыл бұрын
Same 😭😭😭
@PhoenixCNSTL
@PhoenixCNSTL 5 жыл бұрын
Nathan Locke bEcAuSe ThE gLaSs Is DifFeReNt ThAn OtHeR pHonEs
@Tactical_Taco
@Tactical_Taco 5 жыл бұрын
I did my own back glass replacement for my sister. iPhone 8 Plus. Had to buy like a $130 frame online that had the buttons still installed. And it also came with battery and charge port. Had to swap ALL the guts over. One hell of a repair compared to the typical shit tbh
@Tactical_Taco
@Tactical_Taco 5 жыл бұрын
But still cheaper than apple to do it myself! They wanted 3 to 4 hundred
@nathleflutiste
@nathleflutiste Жыл бұрын
@@Tactical_Taco So that's how they rob people today ?
@niri1x
@niri1x 5 жыл бұрын
LG : DONT. REMOVE. THE. BATTERY. Zack : *I'm a professional, that is ridiculous.*
@SAHILKHAN91972
@SAHILKHAN91972 5 жыл бұрын
you want likes bitch!
@hamzahaytham3940
@hamzahaytham3940 5 жыл бұрын
It’s really ridiculous
@yurihana878
@yurihana878 5 жыл бұрын
new people here be like, "who's zach?"
@kia556645
@kia556645 5 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@randomhobbiest5562
@randomhobbiest5562 5 жыл бұрын
Zack is his real name if I'm right
@LexTheBuilder
@LexTheBuilder 5 жыл бұрын
Me:Opens youtube to study *Sees Zach uploaded a video* Me:Well, school can wait
@TechTroppy
@TechTroppy 5 жыл бұрын
KZbin to "study" 😂😂😂😂😂
@glodenduck2077
@glodenduck2077 5 жыл бұрын
"Ah shit, here we go again"
@AnonymousFrogNG
@AnonymousFrogNG 5 жыл бұрын
It's been waiting so long, you've graduated high school.
@Twn_Turbo
@Twn_Turbo 5 жыл бұрын
School isnt worth it, try in college
@emooki886
@emooki886 5 жыл бұрын
@@Twn_Turbo I thought one need to go to school first before going to college? HmMmMmMMMMmmm
@rodimusmaximus3912
@rodimusmaximus3912 5 жыл бұрын
*laughs in LG V20* I always keep 2 extra batteries on me
@danz107
@danz107 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to your videos, I had the confidence to open my first glass back phone today. It's not a phone in your videos, but I can apply the same techniques.I have one of these LG G8, but I'm afraid to do a screen repair because of the terrible battery glue!
@rishabprasoon5970
@rishabprasoon5970 5 жыл бұрын
LG when they sees Zacks video " Ah shit here we go again " Edit : gasp nearly 500 likes in 2 hours ? Damm CJ got some fans here
@rawtrout007
@rawtrout007 5 жыл бұрын
jerry*
@ZebyWebby
@ZebyWebby 5 жыл бұрын
His name is Zack Jerry=Zack
@rawtrout007
@rawtrout007 5 жыл бұрын
Zebastian Plays that's not true lol
@Killme-fb5qu
@Killme-fb5qu 5 жыл бұрын
raw trout that is true
@D--
@D-- 5 жыл бұрын
@@rawtrout007 ye his name is zack
@deepgold6378
@deepgold6378 5 жыл бұрын
U dissasembled that phone like legos, thank u jerry, very cool!
@dan7ehchangeurmind340
@dan7ehchangeurmind340 5 жыл бұрын
Sonic Does Awful Songs And Memes stfu S so T the F funny U umbrella
@lolzdatguy4987
@lolzdatguy4987 5 жыл бұрын
Go post ur weird ass comments somewhere else
@linahaddad5186
@linahaddad5186 5 жыл бұрын
@lolz Damn kid chill
@cavemann_
@cavemann_ 5 жыл бұрын
His name is Zack tho o.o
@benw9431
@benw9431 5 жыл бұрын
hIS nAmE iS ZaCk tHo...
@tamarockstar09
@tamarockstar09 5 жыл бұрын
Zach talking about the batteries is like my dad talking to me about all my life choices I made.
@cathl4953
@cathl4953 5 жыл бұрын
Informative and helpful to those who are interested?
@vaskopoh9512
@vaskopoh9512 4 жыл бұрын
@@cathl4953 yeah
@zorgichez6324
@zorgichez6324 4 жыл бұрын
He's gonna skip it next time
@varunpolisetty3944
@varunpolisetty3944 4 жыл бұрын
Ya
@CooldudeSub
@CooldudeSub 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@ujeemujedzikieweze
@ujeemujedzikieweze 5 жыл бұрын
With every g series is a some issue, almost complete phone but if battery will fail you stay with glass brick, mi5 have the most convenient back panel to open and changing battery is very easy.
@loranwijga55
@loranwijga55 5 жыл бұрын
It surprises me that the battery of the LG G8 is so difficult to replace. Considerring that LG was one of the last brands with a replaceable battery (LG G5)
@alexisaguirrevazquez7900
@alexisaguirrevazquez7900 4 жыл бұрын
How times have changed.
@excalibur1812
@excalibur1812 4 жыл бұрын
V20
@bliss_gore5194
@bliss_gore5194 Жыл бұрын
lmao 4 years later took me 1 hour to replace and it was surprisingly easy. didnt even take that much effort to pry off the battery
@mrtsquaredproductions1813
@mrtsquaredproductions1813 5 жыл бұрын
Samsung: Lol lets make a folding phone Zach: And now for the B E N D T E S T Samsung: oH nO
@lynn.chaaaa
@lynn.chaaaa 5 жыл бұрын
Or can I say *fold* test? e.e
@theman7140
@theman7140 5 жыл бұрын
Zach after the test: “It seems that the Galaxy Fold is the best smartphone ever to handle the bend test. As you can see it folds in half without breaking, for now.
@endermodz-nightcoremore593
@endermodz-nightcoremore593 5 жыл бұрын
Battery: *exists Also battery: *_No dogs allowed._*
@darkawd9243
@darkawd9243 5 жыл бұрын
Jon snow
@Buffering...
@Buffering... 5 жыл бұрын
LG: *Don't Remove The Battery* Jerry: YES!
@Baronnax
@Baronnax 5 жыл бұрын
The "Yes!" joke doesn't work everywhere my dude.
@Buffering...
@Buffering... 5 жыл бұрын
@@Baronnax: joke doesn't work everywhere my dude me: make it work anyway Phuntsog Wangchuk: 😮
@pd1769
@pd1769 5 жыл бұрын
@@Baronnax Yes!
@patrickboner2185
@patrickboner2185 2 жыл бұрын
Little trick I use....get some electronics cleaner from Radio Shack. Did my first G8 today and removed the battery in about 45 seconds without bending it. With the tube on the sprayer, I sprayed a little bit around the edges and let it sit for about 5 seconds. Was able to get a plastic pry tool under it and lift it a little bit. Sprayed some more under the battery and it practically fell out. That stuff breaks the adhesive down so much better than plain old alcohol.
@angryzombie8088
@angryzombie8088 5 жыл бұрын
LG: don't remove the battery Zack: you have just given me a reason to it
@stephensnell1379
@stephensnell1379 3 жыл бұрын
His name is Jerry
@0tispunkm3y3r
@0tispunkm3y3r 5 жыл бұрын
Winced at the Stanley knife pointing toward the thumb!
@hoder4857
@hoder4857 5 жыл бұрын
You new here?
@YorkshireD1
@YorkshireD1 5 жыл бұрын
@@hoder4857 I'm not and it did actually get closer than normal!
@mrlithium69
@mrlithium69 5 жыл бұрын
he has horrible knife skills in all the videos its shocking actually.
@Subswithnovideos-ih7dd
@Subswithnovideos-ih7dd 5 жыл бұрын
LG should've added *No JerryRigEverything* warning on the battery
@dineshlakra8512
@dineshlakra8512 5 жыл бұрын
I like your profile pic tho 😂
@lilianamessi
@lilianamessi 5 жыл бұрын
@@dineshlakra8512 fucking profile pic
@bningthouja7103
@bningthouja7103 5 жыл бұрын
It's high time Jerry copyrighted his infallible line *"scratches at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7"* to deter other durability testers from using it.
@justinthematrix
@justinthematrix 5 жыл бұрын
I think it would be a trademark not a copyright
@snjert8406
@snjert8406 7 ай бұрын
I'm your 69th like. Feels good.
@7vikram
@7vikram 5 жыл бұрын
Jerry! You are the King of Electronics Durablity, Repair & Tear Down. A Million Thumbs up for your channel 👍
@adityapatole2048
@adityapatole2048 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Zack, Please make a video on the Energizer phone with that 18000mAh battery. Want to see it opened☺️
@kigasdj2
@kigasdj2 5 жыл бұрын
it is a dead project. Kick start event failed miserably, so it is not existing model for now
@adityapatole2048
@adityapatole2048 5 жыл бұрын
@@kigasdj2 Okay okay
@pipipipi3087
@pipipipi3087 5 жыл бұрын
Aditya Patole they probably forgot people have power banks.
@adityapatole2048
@adityapatole2048 5 жыл бұрын
@@pipipipi3087 😂
@19summers81
@19summers81 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sad, I wanted one of them.
@ErnieLon
@ErnieLon 5 жыл бұрын
Way to make a 180° turn LG! Just 3 generations prior the G5 had a removable battery.
@shreerajkulkarni
@shreerajkulkarni 5 жыл бұрын
Satisfied every bit of curiosity 1. Will the phone restart after removing everything? *Answered* 2. Will the earpiece speaker work after tampering? *Answered* . *I would like to live life on edge!* - Zack the Baldy (2019)
@deadalusshadowduck
@deadalusshadowduck 5 жыл бұрын
Living life like Larry :D
@asmit6377
@asmit6377 5 жыл бұрын
Baldy....lol
@gwyenbleidd2151
@gwyenbleidd2151 5 жыл бұрын
7:32 "Amazingly the speaker is still working even if it crackle"
@AamirKhan-771
@AamirKhan-771 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah that part 😂😂😂
@umang2226
@umang2226 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! actually i had left after all see you arround xD
@Thermalions
@Thermalions 5 жыл бұрын
Cambry voice over?
@MisterFribble
@MisterFribble 5 жыл бұрын
The speaker is most likely a terbium alloy, which is the only metals that actually change size when exposed to magnetic fields. Often used to turn tables into loudspeakers. Think large object moving a small distance (terbium and table/screen) vs small object and large distance (speaker cone).
@flare78x31
@flare78x31 4 жыл бұрын
I got the g8 with only 2 rear cameras but it's been one of the best phones I've never had. I get 8 hours screen on time so if in a year I'm only getting 5 that's still better than the majority of phones. I also don't keep phones long enough to need the battery replaced.
@Buffering...
@Buffering... 5 жыл бұрын
LG: *Permanently Glued Battery* Jerry: (VETO!/FuckYou)
@inigoilzarbe2010
@inigoilzarbe2010 5 жыл бұрын
I like LG phones, but this is a no no.
@duderRechthat
@duderRechthat 5 жыл бұрын
I still use my LG G4 which i bought at the time for its replacable battery. Sad to see how they changed their policy over the years..
@isinglikeanass6708
@isinglikeanass6708 5 жыл бұрын
It still didn’t have any bootloop issue?
@duderRechthat
@duderRechthat 5 жыл бұрын
@@isinglikeanass6708 its still working fine! No issues apart from two fine cracks in the display, because i dropped it one too many times
@isinglikeanass6708
@isinglikeanass6708 5 жыл бұрын
Marius wow my nexus 5x is already fucked up bc SD808 sucks
@nathanmead140
@nathanmead140 5 жыл бұрын
The LG k8 has that, I don't know what cpu the 2018 model has in it. (I have a 2017 k8 and that has a qualcomm snapdragon 425 but I like the 800 [or higher])
@Rajivrocks-Ltd.
@Rajivrocks-Ltd. 5 жыл бұрын
My G4 is draining like crazy ever after buying a new battery, you didn't have this issue at all? I bought the G8s a few days ago because of this :(
@burstnesstutorials2000
@burstnesstutorials2000 5 жыл бұрын
JerryRig: And the next phone to be tested is.... Huawei Mate X: "deep breathing" Galaxy Fold: "intense shaking in fear"
@asmit6377
@asmit6377 5 жыл бұрын
Haha..It's like Zach is waiting with the vaccine in his hand and all the kids are in line. Well, you know the drill!!
@Terra-Antares
@Terra-Antares 4 жыл бұрын
Petition to replace Li-on batteries with Solid State batteries. Why? *+Solid state batteries are a lot more durable* *+They charge a lot quicker than Li-on* *+As in the name, there's no chemical liquids inside, it's all solid so no leaking harmful chemicals, also safer for the environment too* *+They last up to a decade or more, compared to Li-on that typically lasts 2 to 3 years* *+Solid state batteries can last several days of (normal) usage, unlike Li-ons which can last a full day at normal usage and have roughly 2 to 5 times more capacity when compared to a Li-on cell with the same size* Companies like planned obsolescence sadly so this is unlikely in some scenarios
@alexisaguirrevazquez7900
@alexisaguirrevazquez7900 4 жыл бұрын
I am very excited for solid state batteries to become the norm.
@knitt9914
@knitt9914 5 жыл бұрын
AFAIK, what they do with dirty or coarse internal silent pipe is to make larger surface area inside small tube allowing the heat dissipate more efficiently. edit: misspell
@stephensnell1379
@stephensnell1379 3 жыл бұрын
The copper object that Jerry showed in the video is the copper vapor chamber to keep the phone cool
@terracethornhill
@terracethornhill 5 жыл бұрын
LG should be more concerned with getting people to buy their phones than forcing the rare few who do buy them to replace them prematurely. This is a giant fail for LG, there's no way I'm giving up my V20 for that pos.
@2moke2creen
@2moke2creen 5 жыл бұрын
I have 4 3300mAh batteries for my V20. Was looking at the V40 but that thing is still $900 unlocked!
@shaffanmumtaz8830
@shaffanmumtaz8830 5 жыл бұрын
@@2moke2creen just switch to samsung i did it back when they screwed up with g 5 and love samsung since then
@2moke2creen
@2moke2creen 5 жыл бұрын
@@shaffanmumtaz8830 that's fine, but just because the G5 was a disaster, doesn't mean LG phones aren't good now. Supporting "the underdog" really makes phones better in the long run.
@elk3909
@elk3909 5 жыл бұрын
@@2moke2creen i added a custom battery to my v20 now its capacity is 30 Ah(30000 mAh). it is a heavy brick now buti only have to charge once every several week. and because its on the outside i can use my dcpower supply to charge it at 20 amps in a few hours
@2moke2creen
@2moke2creen 5 жыл бұрын
@@elk3909 I wanted to get that, but the fact thay it's so bulky and that I have 4 batteries made me not buy it. I'll consider it now since I'll be using the camera a lot at an event.
@raiyanahmad5514
@raiyanahmad5514 5 жыл бұрын
zack : let's get started smartphones : * I DON'T FEEL SO GOOD*
@thomasmcdonnell1957
@thomasmcdonnell1957 5 жыл бұрын
so that rectangle is how the LG TV is so impossibly thin...
@EngineeredFemale
@EngineeredFemale 5 жыл бұрын
We need more High I.Q people like YOU!‽
@christiangraham4579
@christiangraham4579 5 жыл бұрын
Graphene Carbide nah they have a sound bar that comes with the tv. Lol the screen itself is exactly that. Just the screen.
@AbuHajarAlBugatti
@AbuHajarAlBugatti 4 жыл бұрын
@@C20F because they can
@can-cruiser
@can-cruiser 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting and sharing. Not only the permanently glued battery is difficult and dangerous to remove, but also it is very unlikely that anyone will be able to buy a replacement battery because the factory assumes it is fixed in place and cannot be replaced. Really a big turnoff to buy the G8!!
@victorunbea8451
@victorunbea8451 5 жыл бұрын
The heatpipe internal 'dirt' is quite important. It is sintered material that acts as a wick allowing the heatpipe to work in any orientation. Without it, the liquid-gas phase change would only work if the heat source is always positioned downhill of the pipe. Search for how heatpipes work.
@ljessecusterl
@ljessecusterl 5 жыл бұрын
In my experience, LG batteries typically only last 13-15 months before showing serious degradation. Looks like deciding my V20 would be the last LG phone I ever owned wasn't a bad decision.
@MrLuffy9131
@MrLuffy9131 5 жыл бұрын
Aren't the Samsung battery's worse like what he said, you have to charge TWO times per day? XD
@HAWXLEADER
@HAWXLEADER 5 жыл бұрын
Well, if getting android 8 half a year after android 9 was out wasn't a clear sign i don't know what is...
@gioprox5207
@gioprox5207 Жыл бұрын
​@@MrLuffy9131 zach's S8 was 2+ years old at the time of posting this video
@stephensnell5707
@stephensnell5707 Жыл бұрын
​@@MrLuffy9131 no Samsung Batteries are known and can last 4 years solid
@ruicosta8105
@ruicosta8105 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, good to know LG is not looking for customers, tankx for the video.
@spikonn
@spikonn 5 жыл бұрын
Nokia 9 Pureview anythime soon ?
@m_arun_r
@m_arun_r 5 жыл бұрын
Vivo IQOO please
@mikey6392
@mikey6392 5 жыл бұрын
You should do a clean phone video with this phone
@rinorqenaj1086
@rinorqenaj1086 5 жыл бұрын
i subbed because not only u make great vids but your voice is soo calm keep it up
@osuplayerlmao2143
@osuplayerlmao2143 5 жыл бұрын
Lg: Dont remove the battery JerryRigEverything: ok today we will be removing the battery
@darrinthorpe9292
@darrinthorpe9292 5 жыл бұрын
What happened if the phone blew up while he was removing it? That's just insane!
@TechTroppy
@TechTroppy 5 жыл бұрын
You mean Zack ?
@ccalvinn
@ccalvinn 5 жыл бұрын
@@TechTroppy literally the same shit tho wtf lol
@glynemartin
@glynemartin 5 жыл бұрын
LG just fired the person who ordered the glue that holds the battery in place...
@xDTHx
@xDTHx 5 жыл бұрын
Really? Did they actually?
@inooby333
@inooby333 5 жыл бұрын
r/ woooosh No not actually. Are you dumb?
@oxateu
@oxateu 5 жыл бұрын
​@@inooby333 we get it you have reddit very nice
@alliedabish-gachaandmore3620
@alliedabish-gachaandmore3620 5 жыл бұрын
INOOBY YT r/ihavereddit
@Snake2208x
@Snake2208x 5 жыл бұрын
Not strong enough
@brianclemensen3313
@brianclemensen3313 5 жыл бұрын
The 'dirt' in the heat pipes is most likely sintered copper powder, which is done to increase surface area, thereby increasing heat transfer
@remoremo-fh6nn
@remoremo-fh6nn 5 жыл бұрын
brian mose you r correct man 👍👍
@PotatoJunkee
@PotatoJunkee 5 жыл бұрын
I believe the "dirt" in the heat pipe is meant to rough the surface, drastically increasing surface area for thermal transfer
@98dizzard
@98dizzard 4 жыл бұрын
Was under the impression it helped the condensed liquid to wick back from the cold side to the hot side.
@PotatoJunkee
@PotatoJunkee 4 жыл бұрын
@@98dizzard if anything, wouldn't a rough texture make it harder for a liquid to move through it? Or would it work similar to how paper takes water up above where it's touching water
@98dizzard
@98dizzard 4 жыл бұрын
@@PotatoJunkee the inside of heat pipes are rough for capillary action, exactly as you describe. Otherwise the pipe would be reliant on gravity and only work one way up.
@PotatoJunkee
@PotatoJunkee 4 жыл бұрын
@@98dizzard interesting, although when you hold your phone it's typically oriented so that the liquid would drip back down to the processor, although that wouldn't really do much lying down. So what you're saying makes sense to me
@mikk999
@mikk999 9 ай бұрын
Saw at the adhesive with fishing line... Takes awhile but it works.
@genericeric0102
@genericeric0102 5 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this video, it's just a shame the way they glue these batteries in nowadays.
@aidsgill7217
@aidsgill7217 5 жыл бұрын
eric jones crackheads pissing me off
@ArtseyGurl
@ArtseyGurl 5 жыл бұрын
Back in my day, if you dropped your phone 1 foot the whole back falls off and the battery would slide across the floor 😂 I didn't know if miss those days
@xyzhou6207
@xyzhou6207 5 жыл бұрын
And LG cannot understand why their phones wont sell well.
@porogami7yearsagoedited754
@porogami7yearsagoedited754 5 жыл бұрын
I hope this is a joke because 99% of people don’t open their ip68 phones up
@kojok4667
@kojok4667 5 жыл бұрын
@@porogami7yearsagoedited754 true
@MrLuffy9131
@MrLuffy9131 5 жыл бұрын
And I still can't understand why people buy Samsung when their battery life is the worst XD
@xyzhou6207
@xyzhou6207 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrLuffy9131 I don't have Samsung but their last gen didn't have notch, drop or hole, and it has a headphone jack so bravo for that. Sadly, S10 happens
@stealth3002
@stealth3002 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrLuffy9131 I've had my note 8 for two years and it can last one and a half days on one charge, two days if on battery saver. I use it constantly at school and I usually am left with 50%+ whereas I hear people complain about their phones' battery dying by fifth period
@bulitzecroz9463
@bulitzecroz9463 5 жыл бұрын
Jerry: I like living life on the edge! 👌🏿 Just like James Bond.
@diegotejada6745
@diegotejada6745 5 жыл бұрын
Edgelord 100
@Ghlargh
@Ghlargh 5 жыл бұрын
Here's a tip: If you need to remove a battery for replacement you can fully discharge first by attaching a resistor across it or even just leaving the phone turned on until it dies, a battery discharged to the protection chip threshold is very unlikely to catch fire even if crushed or punctured since the mechanism that starts the wild explosive fires we have seen needs electrical energy to heat up the internals of the battery. Still, disassembly should be done outside or at least near something fireproof like an oven pan to throw the burning phone into...
@quewerty8401
@quewerty8401 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I was seriously considering this phone, but if the battery is dangerous to remove , then its not worth it.
@bovinespongiformflu
@bovinespongiformflu 5 жыл бұрын
The battery is captive, why even have adhesive?!?
@Sammysosa-mx2pk
@Sammysosa-mx2pk 5 жыл бұрын
Right lol
@MuvoTX
@MuvoTX 5 жыл бұрын
Forced obsolescence... they dont want people to extend the service of the device.
@shanez1215
@shanez1215 5 жыл бұрын
Strain isn't good for the ribbon cable, and a small amount of space is given so the battery can naturally expand and contract due to temperature and wear changes. A loose battery could damage the ribbon cable and/or disconnect, rendering the phone useless. Plus, bouncing around could also bend the corner of the battery, which could cause it to blow up like the Nite 7 did.
@forceablepizza764
@forceablepizza764 5 жыл бұрын
@@shanez1215 this aint a joke either, i used to work in a facility that repaired iphones, some idiot forgot the new pull tab adhesive under his new battery and the battery got punctured by the pcb causing us to have to evacuate the floor for half an hour
@shanez1215
@shanez1215 5 жыл бұрын
@@forceablepizza764 Oof, admittedly I reused the adhesive from my old battery, but the s6 edge didn't use pull tabs, so all the adhesive was left behind on the midframe and could secure the new battery in place.
@RxRTamago
@RxRTamago 5 жыл бұрын
LG during durability test: ow yeah . . . . . LG during teardown: OW NO!!
@glodenduck2077
@glodenduck2077 5 жыл бұрын
LG: *Sees Zack Tearing Down Their New Smartphone* LG:"Ah shit, here we go again"
@Lovin_NY93
@Lovin_NY93 5 жыл бұрын
LG G4 was amazing because of the removeable battery. This is ridiculous.
@stephensnell5707
@stephensnell5707 Жыл бұрын
Well now all up to date Smartphones from 2020 for example all have the batteries glued directly inside the Smartphone itself making it irreplaceable
@nathleflutiste
@nathleflutiste Жыл бұрын
@@stephensnell5707 It's still replaceable, it just takes more time. Well one time I've changed the battery of my gf phone (Samsung), and it exploded. Still I could put the new battery, even though I got seriously scared for a moment.
@viktorkromm1608
@viktorkromm1608 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. thanks to you, I now know a little about IP 68 and MIL-STD-810. Today it is fashionable to have a quick battery charge, and as a result, access to a quick replacement. Probably with standard charging, the battery will last a long time. That's why they stuck it on. It should last two or three years. And there, 5G smartphones are getting cheaper. Persuaded IDA to buy G8s.
@madhukeshnp
@madhukeshnp 5 жыл бұрын
The dirt inside the cooling pipe acts as cooling fins just like on our water cooled bikes and car's. But on a smaller scale. Its helps absorption of heat much effective and transfer it to the liquid.
@mre2489
@mre2489 5 жыл бұрын
When you think your KZbin Notification was just in Time.... Already 500 views
@HaXD1209
@HaXD1209 5 жыл бұрын
For a moment, I dare to hope
@megamode
@megamode 5 жыл бұрын
10k 11 minutes ago
@Shahzo_Fr
@Shahzo_Fr 5 жыл бұрын
😂
@alexandruilea915
@alexandruilea915 5 жыл бұрын
And? Why would anyone even want to be in the first 5 minutes on the video I can't understand since the video will render in 360p or 480p at first.
@Sanzhikdon
@Sanzhikdon 5 жыл бұрын
@@alexandruilea915 they wanna comment something "funny" first so they could get thousands of likes🙂
@Techvalte
@Techvalte 5 жыл бұрын
I would recommend LG not to use permanent adhesive to the battery cause it might cause harm during battery replacement 👍
@xumit
@xumit 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Post credits scene was amazing surprise.
@bantot1296
@bantot1296 5 жыл бұрын
LG: don't remove the battery Zack: You can't tell me nothing
@larnrothdergan2399
@larnrothdergan2399 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Slapped that THICC notification so hard I could've alerted the guards!
@mayrln
@mayrln 5 жыл бұрын
the fuck is wrong with you mate
@larnrothdergan2399
@larnrothdergan2399 5 жыл бұрын
Lol. Had nothing to do with dogs and all y'all could think about was fucking dogs? Y'all need help xD
@larnrothdergan2399
@larnrothdergan2399 5 жыл бұрын
@@sovietrussia3632 Looks like Russia needs another bombing lmao Too many dog fuckers
@larnrothdergan2399
@larnrothdergan2399 5 жыл бұрын
@@mayrln Learn how to read, we call it a joke and a *reference* to a meme that was *Dummy thicc*
@niri1x
@niri1x 5 жыл бұрын
Baby : S-s Mum : The baby is going to say it's first words! Baby : *Scratches at a level 6 with deeper grooves at a level 7*
@pranavbalaji7864
@pranavbalaji7864 5 жыл бұрын
And that's how Zack was born
@calebmarkle5773
@calebmarkle5773 5 жыл бұрын
I had LG's for a long time. Every single one I had, 4 or 5 different models, had an issue with the battery requiring either battery or full device replacement. I had upwards of 5 LG K10's and 4 LG G6's (locked in contract but had insurance) every single one had battery issues. I have a Note 9 now and I'm not going back to LG
@YovanGabut
@YovanGabut 5 жыл бұрын
Give G5 the Lego awards Give G8 the (you name it) awards
@ardarazi8472
@ardarazi8472 5 жыл бұрын
hand moving gesture thingy that nobody will use because it is too faffy
@sanjaykashiwal8480
@sanjaykashiwal8480 5 жыл бұрын
Samsung : Time to pay Jerry to not to durability test our brand new Samsung galaxy fold Jerry : Hold my beer
@onemat2000
@onemat2000 5 жыл бұрын
Such a shame on the battery removal by LG as their phones have been really good since the G6. I've only been fixing phones since last September, but long enough to see all the newer phones are becoming more anti-repair.
@ErikIrish-Erock
@ErikIrish-Erock 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to your video, I salvaged two of these today. I had two with broken screens, one with a swollen battery. I had two pristine demo units, available all over ebay for about $60. I simply popped the motherboard and mic board in the demo unit, and I had a brand new phone. :) Just a tip for anyone who really loves this device (as I do) and wants to keep using them. The screen and CPU screen outshines the V20, which I'd used and loved for years. Thanks for a cool video!
@Roboticdoughbull3k
@Roboticdoughbull3k 2 жыл бұрын
There's literally not any version of cdma or gsm g8 on Amazon in any condition less than about$160 up as of April 2022. Things must have been much different 3 months ago. Can fine condition C on eBay for maybe $80 now extremely poor condition or parts only.
@francissamson4358
@francissamson4358 4 жыл бұрын
You mocked LG insensitively on battery notification and adhesives but you were gentle with samsung's similar implimentation
@darchanaamaran9843
@darchanaamaran9843 5 жыл бұрын
Dang it i thought it was one of the videos he says"scratches at a 6 with deeper grooves at 7"
@3h55
@3h55 5 жыл бұрын
🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️Read the description, dude. It says teardown not durability test...not that hard
@darchanaamaran9843
@darchanaamaran9843 5 жыл бұрын
@@3h55 ik bro im just trying to get the reference into the vid
@darchanaamaran9843
@darchanaamaran9843 5 жыл бұрын
@@3h55 imma die hard fan of him
@ayie3889
@ayie3889 5 жыл бұрын
you are dumb , that's it
@jamesbaucom9295
@jamesbaucom9295 5 жыл бұрын
You're getting a lot of undeserved hate. I thought you had a pretty solid reference.
@michaelkeith3447
@michaelkeith3447 5 жыл бұрын
Hey L.G.... Life's Good is not applicable for anyone purchasing this phone. You made a stupid choice with the battery. You're making Apple look consumer friendly...
@riceplay33
@riceplay33 5 жыл бұрын
LG initially stands for Lucky Goldstar but chances are, they've changed for something more ironic considering how bad their products can be like this G8 lol
@MrLuffy9131
@MrLuffy9131 5 жыл бұрын
Samsung battery life is actually the worst XD
@samuraizeta8310
@samuraizeta8310 5 жыл бұрын
totally agree with you...battery replacement should not dangerous...fail move from LG..
@koolaidman4246
@koolaidman4246 5 жыл бұрын
LG stands for life's good than why is there a risk of DYING 🤣🤔
@alxm9617
@alxm9617 5 жыл бұрын
Lucky Goldstar tho...
@benfrench9224
@benfrench9224 5 жыл бұрын
Lg stands for Lucky Goldstar
@Am4ndeepSingh
@Am4ndeepSingh 4 жыл бұрын
LD
@toastedphantom3007
@toastedphantom3007 4 жыл бұрын
They didn't say that a good life is long :^)
@starlightentertainment6878
@starlightentertainment6878 5 жыл бұрын
He gets the thanos' gauntlet *Meanwhile *NOW THE SNAP TEST*
@mrutyunjay333
@mrutyunjay333 5 жыл бұрын
Hey zack why you are not making phones transparent any more... I was waiting for the s10 but it didn't came...
@Zennity
@Zennity 5 жыл бұрын
When will Google hire your voice for Google Assistant?
@ronaldckrausejr7762
@ronaldckrausejr7762 5 жыл бұрын
If you happen to know a codes and/or assembles... Just a few voice samples can get you on your way. I've been adding all kinds of different voices to dedicated GPS devices ever since they were first made available to consumers. The same can be done with any device which has voice. Even works with W10 and Apple/Mac - although more difficult with Apple. The more voice samples one has the better. Can be made to work most of the time with just one hundred words. and then adapting it from there.
@OperatorOrphan
@OperatorOrphan 5 жыл бұрын
I’m not saying this is why there is dirt in the pipe, but I think that the dirt helps keep the heat in side the pipe. So it’s not just going strait into the phone and heating up the back of the phone (like my iPhone 5se does, but I use it everyday)
@victorgeurts1745
@victorgeurts1745 5 жыл бұрын
I think the ''Dirty Copper'' Is there to create more surface area
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