LG OLED Dynamic Tone-Mapping On or Off vs HGIG: Which is Best for PS5/ Xbox Series X Gaming?

We demonstrate the effects of [Dynamic Tone Mapping] "On", "Off" and "HGIG" in [HDR Game Mode] on the LG CX OLED TV, and explain which is generally the best setting for gaming on the Sony PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Our recommendation can also be applied to the BX and GX, as well as 2019's LG C9, B9 & E9.
A Canon DP-V2411 4K reference monitor was used for HDR analysis of dynamic tone-mapping (DTM) vs HGIG. HGIG-compliant games on the Xbox Series X include DiRT 5 and Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War.
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[@91KevinJohn]

Waiting soooo long for someone explain exactly this!!! Great Video!:)

[@apocalypse369]

Wow this is the content I need right now I was just asking about this in the other vid I own the series x and ps5 and was confused by the settings on my LG cx especially regarding this hgig dynamic tone mapping that you for furthering the explanation on this vince

[@SirAndras]

Always nice to see you do videos and explain things more in detail, even if I never question your decisions unless you yourself are unsure. I had set my PS5 up with your Xbox setup first, then I realized I should have clipped the test images, not let them sit at "barely visible" which is a bad choice of words for the settings. Anyway, it's looking great with my E9 so I'm happy. Not a calibrated TV but then again it's good enough (Don't have Vincent here to actually calibrate and I wouldn't trust anyone else!)

[@vadimkrylov]

I like that you are listening to your fans. Sometimes we have our own opinions. But this is awesome

[@campos3452]

“We”

[@WillzMaster85]

Yea man... I know for a fact he made this video because of the comments from the last couple videos... this man is a legend on this tv shit... just got this tv a few days ago and his videos are a life saver!

[@wackswax8423]

Ya he listens. He gets hated on hard by channels like that clown QUANTUMTV! Even if Vincent works for LG idc, I just don’t get the vibe that he’s lying.

[@gobluebalter]

@@wackswax8423 quantumtv is an absolute joke. He has no idea what he's doing.

[@whistlelover2657]

@@wackswax8423 quantumtv says stupid shit like “I won’t reveal my white settings or color balance settings, I’m not giving that away for free” QuantumTV is just another shill who brands himself on his “true facts channel” but then he hides his settings... meaning we can’t trust absolutely anything he says about any of the TVs he’s showing because he is likely intentionally skewing his results to make LG look bad.

[@jimbarrett5462]

Thank you for taking our input seriously and creating content that reflects our needs, Vincent. Keep up the excellent work.

[@ledooni]

LG‘s terminology with Dynamic Tone Mapping „Off“ is really confusing. Essentially the TV is not dynamically tone mapping but it is still statically tone mapping to that curve that always tries to restore highlights at up to almost 4000 nits. I think they should rename the section as just „Tone Mapping“ and offer the choices of „Dynamic“, „Static“ and „Native/HGiG“ so people actually understand what they are getting. I didn‘t know that myself and now it finally makes sense that I always have to set peak luminance in games to over 3000 nits on B7 that has no tone mapping in game mode.

[@tyto3948]

You’ve just saved me so many more countless Saturdays starting up a movie or game, realizing the image looks crappy, fiddling with calibration for hours, and eventually forgetting what I initially planned on doing in the first place.

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

Hdr is confusing it looks like a lot of messing about I might just use hdr for movies vesa 600nits for movies will be great but games are problematic too much messing about in the menu while Sdr you just mess with the shadow details in hdr you mess with everything me ile use it for movies I can only imagine movie mode hdr at 600nits must be great probably end up watching films in hdr turn my xbox hdr on for netflix or cobra kai lol season 4 ile probably watch the series next year become I want another oled

[@KSlabi]

This is great. Thank you for helping make sense of this new technology. All of your videos have been extremely helpful.

[@kcweazle]

I love this. So glad you made this video. Very well explained. Thank you!

[@ShruggingAtlas80]

This was a sorely needed video. Well done, Vincent. Thank you!

[@maxhill9254]

+1

[@slayerdude212]

What was his answer lmao video 2 long literally yea or no question

[@ShruggingAtlas80]

@@slayerdude212 Definitely not a "yes or no" question. Have you seen the discussions on this? A lot of nuance.

[@g000se99]

Thank you. It’s great to have some direction here. It’s also nice to constantly fiddle, but the direction is great.

[@T-eee-L]

Vincent always comes out with the video we all need.

[@Inverted88]

Thanks Vincent, this was an awesome explanation. I'm honestly surprised by the results of having DTM turned off. That was unexpected. I'll be leaving DTM set as HGIG from here on in.

[@malazan6004]

it looks awful in some games though

[@aizatmuhd8993]

In most games i would say

[@riktreutmann6530]

Vincent with this video you finally raised yourself to the olymp! ❤ thx a lot

[@philh.8606]

Awesome. i asked exactly this topic under the last video and here is the answer. Love it

[@andym8367]

Since I am a noob I consider this tv tuning for dummies. Great explanation love it and your using the xbox just want I needed. Perfect! Thank you

[@azricf]

Vincent - "Trying not to get banged from behind" *Bing sound* XD

[@TheAlienGangster]

Even for a Vincent joke, that one was rather forthright and surprising

[@rafograph854]

This Legend deserves a special place in the Olympus of internet.

[@turfoid7899]

Thanks for making this for clarification👍🏻

[@bceaglesfan1999]

Awesome! been waiting for this one

[@kabes7]

Good stuff. I had noticed that in Valhalla I was getting the best HDR picture by using HGIG even though the game doesn't support it. Dynamic Tonemapping made the game look flat even though the overall brightness was higher, especially if the scene was mostly made up of midtones.

[@leandrocharrua1277]

How do you know which game support HGIG?

[@tylervincent2559]

@@leandrocharrua1277 I was wondering that too seems like there’s no list of games anywhere to look at

[@FEWGEE1]

No games support HGIG. The picture is basically exactly the same as dynamic tone mapping switched off when it's switched to HGIG.

[@dane4652]

@@FEWGEE1 i noticed that today with Valhalla. DTM off looked exactly the same as Hgig On. i went with DTM on and Lowered the Brightness just a bit. looked nice.

[@bloomerb4162]

Great explanation, answered some more questions I was thinking about.

[@samihamouri]

congratulations , your video was featured on the PS5 review video on linus tech tips

[@CHN-yh3uv]

Most helpful video I've watched in a long time

[@NightmareonAnyStreet_]

Vincent is da GOAT 💪🏾💯

[@DecepticonLBC]

His voice is therapeutic and also comedic all in one

[@lowrider007007]

What a video, love the detail this guy goes into.

[@timme651]

Thank god (yes, you!)! Question finally answered, that i had for over a year now! Everyone said, that you should enable DTM on, because there are not enough games that support HGIG. Well, the fact that you can mess everything up even with "DTM off" is just crazy. The example with Dirt 5 was perfect. I will adjust everything tonight, thank you! Plz keep this up, your professional knowledge combined with this tools is just awesome. Noone on youtube comes close.

[@ChicagoMade]

"Pointless as the p in pneumonia" - hilarious 😂😂😂

[@jimwright2318]

That makes more sense. I thought he said "As pointless as the pee in ammonia", lol!

[@tkermi]

@@jimwright2318 Yeah, I thought the same way and was wondering what it means 😂.

[@stevebbkny2394]

@@jimwright2318 the p is there for a good reason

[@x1joao]

Obrigado p+

[@virgenfj]

37 years old here. And I'm never that in a comment beforr. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@KevinMinchin]

Great video, how about a lesson in the other settings like paper white, brightness and contrast? 👍

[@fuzzlebomber9165]

Thanks for the great explanation. It helped me a lot!

[@TheDanishDuke]

Thanks for doing this Vincent - you really listened to the comments and responded!! 😀💪 Thank you so much - love your vids!! Keep the epic jokes coming 😄👍

[@jerryx2000]

Man fuck the clouds. I want to see the enemies in the dark!

[@CaveyMoth]

That pneumonia joke took my breath away!

[@JKA-TML]

Dad???

[@CaveyMoth]

​@@JKA-TML Are you winning, son?

[@Rin_FGC]

Wheyyy

[@Rugalb2k]

Amazing job! Just what we needed! Thanks Vincent for sharing your knowledge with us! Most useful channel on KZbin! I wish they had a patreon.

[@hdtvtest]

We do have a Patreon, though not explicitly promoted: www.patreon.com/hdtvtest

[@justins.8645]

@@hdtvtest Hey Vincent, I was wondering if you could look into what tv settings I should use for my LG CX while running Google Stadia. Thank you.

[@opgam3r482]

Excellent explanation of tweaking Displays... I do this w/ 7q gen 4k Samsung Tv's when it comes to Dynamic contrast+HDMI black levels+ ST or BT gamma tweaks... vs HDR lol... (the HDR of that TV is older and less quality) so I found these broad conclusions 100% accurate! well done sir.

[@wisherboy25]

Some games I find benefit more than others. REVillage so far seems to benefit greatly from HGIG, but other games like Destiny 2 and Elden Ring I find are so much nicer with tone mapping. It all depends on preference I suppose, and also let's face it, some game devs really don't put as much effort into HDR

[@poeticalbliss7882]

Definitely. Destiny 2 does have a nice nits slider, which you can slam to the upper end to get more luminance with HGiG. But games that do not have that sometimes look awful with HGiG and way too dim. And I guess that isn't the point with HGiG, but its accuracy is just not how I prefer to grade HDR in games at least on my C1 with max 800 nits. I like a very high luminance look that is accurate and more importantly realistic. With D2 you can use HGiG and nits at 1300 in-game slider or so to get more luminance in the snow and brighter areas. But DTM I must say usually just gives a better image when that nits slider is around my actual TV like it's supposed to be. And I prefer DTM. If I want lesser brightness I usually use energy saver on min or medium. Which makes me question the colorist or HDR image itself. IMO images should be completely regraded with HDR in mind. There is not enough luminance in too many games using just the on/off HDR function and HGiG. If they don't have a slider, the image almost never looks right to me. Basically, if a colorist does not match the bright skies to be actually bright, or for there to be proper reality-focused luminance, the game starts to appear dim and unrealistic. HGiG barely even seems to do anything on games that do not have a nits slider like Destiny 2 or that are poorly done in the HDR era for luminance. This is where Tone Mapping is hugely preferable despite losing some midtones. It generally has its own image, and sometimes it looks fantastic. Only thing I don't love about DTM is obviously some loss of detail around the midrange, but it's barely noticeable in most games due to the higher luminance look, which gives life and depth to some environments. It's really very much a preference. HDR is all over the place among different colorists. And that needs to be stated. Vincent isn't really doing the argument justice here.

[@VegitoBlackityBlack]

One looks better in dark areas and the other in light area's. Both are good depending on if you're in a light or dark place in the game.

[@skalante55]

Muchas gracias por esta información. I have learned so much from your extensive knowledge in this matters.

[@Knogle2]

CX - Destiny 2 HDR HGIG PS4 Pro: When the HDR have been calibrated with HGIG enabled (a couple of times to make sure, values for dark/light can change a bit adjusting accordingly, to one or the other) take a look at the moon in the sky (not the Traveler) when you are at the Tower. It might depend on day or nighttime, if it's there. But with HGIG it will show lots of detail. With dynamic tonemapping, it's like a small lightbulb robbed of detail

[@Kac309]

HGiG is the way to go as long as it works correctly. In some games picture is too dark and it crashes blacks. So for daylight gaming and games that doesn't benefit from HGiG I would just stick to the tone mapping.

[@sanda386]

Exactly. I'd say I end up using DTM for about 40-50% of the games I play, bc they just look way too damn dim or dark with HGiG

[@Kac309]

@@sanda386 yeah, even HGiG GoW Ragnarok looks too dark in most cases. I just can't comprehend why they can't standardise HDR so we can just focus on playing instead of fighting with our TV settings.

[@jericoba]

Well, HDR gaming shouldn't be done in any other environment than almost 100% darkness anyway, and that is objective and the official guidelines. Other ways of playing require tweaks that are not standard.

[@joemamr710]

Which is insane, such an incredibly stupid decision for a wide use standard.

[@medovk]

in watch dogs legion there are two hdr options, including the paper white, so what should we set for the cx? and bf5 also has a similar settings in numbers

[@bulbophyllumechinolabium4315]

Great as usual. Destiny 2 gets its graphics update for the new consoles (4K 60fps) on the 8th of December. I would love you to do an LG CX best settings video please if think people will watch it.

[@benjaminbarhoumi1259]

Very good Videos. Please more from this LG cx and next gen consol!!👍🏻

[@jasonlolotte4262]

Why is everything so complicated now with TVs and games? used to love putting a game on, looked great and just played it now I’m constantly adjusting to get the picture to look right.

[@DirEnGay]

Bugs me yeah, I have a great cheap-ish monitor for PC which I've had 4+ years and it's excellent, the ACER Predator 1440p 165hz and it only cost me like £200. I now have a £2,000 LG CX and next gen consoles and I'm never satisfied with how it looks. My old 1080p Samsung TV I used for almost 10 years had absolutely zero issues. It was fine for PS3/PS4 360/Xbox One gaming. I never once felt the need to mess with picture settings or change modes, everything just worked. I noticed no weird jittery scenes, or ghosting, or any of this, but with my LG CX I have to fuck with settings constantly for different viewing situations, and on the consoles themselves do I choose Demon's Souls on 30 FPS mode which for some reason feels way more unplayable than 30 FPS games on previous gen consoles because it just looks horrible on a large 4KTV... I've been a PC gamer my whole life and I've always loved higher framerates, but honestly I never complained about 30 FPS gaming on consoles until PS5/Series X rolls out and 30 FPS is worse than its ever been... I guess I play 60/120 modes now without native 4K and Ray-Tracing... Woo!

[@putyograsseson]

@@DirEnGay 30fps is totally fine until you see 60fps 😄 after that you can’t go back

[@DirEnGay]

@@putyograsseson That's not what I meant though. I've always had an excellent gaming PC, I mean my current one I spent £4,000 on, but I never minded 30 FPS console gaming until this gen and with a new 4K display. I don't know what it is, it's like it handles low framerate poorly.

[@brenttitus2134]

@@putyograsseson Uh no. 60fps is like 30fps when using 120fps. Makes a huge difference.

[@AvengeTheBlade]

@@brenttitus2134 The jump from 60 to 120 definitely doesn’t feel as significant as the jump from 30 to 60.

[@dibils]

i saw MS and Sony came up (or helped) with HGIG...so why does Bravia TVs not have HGIG tone mapping option!!

[@dimarudenkyy5625]

Truly a wonderful video, thank you so much there's so much disinformation about this and you've done a great job not just explaining but showing the concepts as well.

[@brightblackgrouse6236]

Just what i needed dear

[@CastIronEric]

Love my 55 CX!

[@yousefstorm]

Best tv ever

[@Swat-ev1fk]

For me the right setting is the one you enjoy most. Playing ghost of Tsushima and Miles Morales, I switched back and forth a a bunch of times from dynamic tone mapping to HGiG and I settled on DTM. I prefer the vibrancy of DTM but appreciate the video. If I change my mind in future and want the accurate creators intent I now know what to do.

[@HH1II4]

How did you do the calibration? Set TV to DTM on or off before you go into the calibration settings?

[@suli559]

@@HH1II4 If you use DTM then set it on first them calibrate, same with hgig if you want to use it set in on then calibrate

[@VareneVino]

@@suli559 Never use DTM ON when calibrating! Vincent even says it in the video. You are calibrating something, that is changing while you calibrate and the result is not aplicable to anything else but the calibrating checker screen itself.

[@suli559]

@@VareneVino my bad, I'm just recently learning how to calibrate, I used to think that all you had to do was turn on HGiG in the settings, I completely forgot about calibrating my ps5 after doing so, I followed this guide and man hgig looks good, do you use DTM or hgig?

[@VareneVino]

@@suli559 I would calibrate on HGiG setting and then use setting which looks best. DTM ON can be useful for example in a bright room.

[@stopndrop4588]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS CHANEL

[@precookedDan]

Nice video Vincent very informative thanks.

[@ShadowGateKDA]

I would like to see this same video for the sony TVs.

[@ninjascroll1017]

Thanks for clearing this up. I like hgig ALOT better than dtm. This is much more how i thought hdr was supposed to look. I always thought it looked too overly bright before now i know why

[@joepeglegmorgan3015]

So best setting for ps5 is HGIG?can you answer please?

[@ACFUN34]

@@joepeglegmorgan3015 Yes . If you play HDR games you should have HGIG on.

[@joepeglegmorgan3015]

@@ACFUN34 ok. Tnx alot

[@gaborfazekas7915]

Thank you. Vincent!!!😊

[@mathanknavua2915]

Keep up the great work! Best channel!

[@lump1886]

Using HGiG, I'm setting my whitepoint in games to 800 nits for my 48 CX. This seems to be the maximum peak brightness for small areas like a sunrise appearing.

[@bloomerb4162]

@@Android-ng1wn If the game has its own pattern that you can clip, it should be at least close to the consoles hgig pattern. Max nits should be about the same.

[@matteog.6909]

@@bloomerb4162 So, how should i set slider in games with my Oled C1 HGiG enabled, and PS5 hdr settings like Vincent said in his recent video?

[@evanractivand]

So I tried HGIG with my PS5, I really did try to like it. But the picture is like 50% darker than with dynamic tone mapping on and simply too dark for daytime playing. I know there can be variability with panels, maybe it comes down to that. Dynamic tone mapping might not be "accurate" per-se but it looks FAR better to my eyes in bright games like Spiderman in daytime.

[@daveishereuk]

Agreed, HGIG may be more "accurate" but I'd rather sacrifice a little bit of accuracy and have a much more vibrant and brighter picture then something that looks much dimmer. Most examples I've ever seen only seem to benefit a games skybox when HGIG is used. Plus OLED don't have the brightest of panels anyway.

[@josephfranzen5626]

I found the same thing guys on my Series X. I calibrated the HDR system settings for HGIG and played a number of games with it on. I recently switched it off and find the visuals exponentially more pleasing

[@daveishereuk]

@Bzake The vast majority of games so far don't support it and it's not always obvious when they do. Well on xbsx or ps5 it isn't, not sure about PC. Far easier to just not use it until it's a standard for all games.

[@Deffine]

You get a brighter total image, but the blacks will be washed out. Try FF7 remake. It looks much better with HGIG, because the black are actually black.

[@Deffine]

@Bzake Its not a complete lie, DTM work well sometimes others not. I was amazed how deep black suddenly became in FF7 remake. As long as blacks arent raised its all good. Making tones brighter do make the image pop more, but its not the correct EOTF.

[@Bewsher88]

Thanks for your video perfect 👌

[@hansiangng2808]

When running games in HDR on my PS4 i set to HGIG and use the ingame settings to adjust down the contrast a notch or 2, so that the dark scenes wont appear too dark and still can make out the shadow details. Looks like new games now has HDR brightness.

[@GreeKurdChannelMilan]

So If a game isn’t compatible with HGIG, should I set the dynamic tone mapping to on or off for a greater game experience when using LG CX?

[@Bigray73]

Yes

[@marios3761]

I am eagerly waiting for your LOTR trilogy HDR review!!!

[@Dosnmeda]

Since Xbox consoles don't allow Dolby Vision for Blurays, I'm really curious what difference this makes? What brings the better immage? A stream with Dolby Vision, or physical media without Dolby Vision?

[@tomgil9]

I will be receiving both steelbook editions of the new 4k releases, and although my TV (LG CX) does support Dolby Vision, my Blu-ray player (Samsung ubd-k8500 doesn't). My XSX also doesn't, as mentioned. It's something that really made me curious... Should I play the 4k digital version using my smart TV and enjoy Dolby vision while suffering from the quality of streaming... Or enjoy a full 4K using the Blu-ray disc only using HDR -- lacking Dolby vision

[@vincevirtua]

@@tomgil9 they’re a nice upgrade imo, sadly no commentaries, though. I’ve never understood the draw of steel-books, though.

[@soul3lixir]

Do you guys know if the digital versions included with those sets also has dolby vision/atmos support?

[@ApacheRambo]

So pumped for the remaster!!!

[@KirsGM]

Vincent you are THE BOSS

[@ceskyy_5645]

I've been using HGIG for so long since I watched this video, now I turn to DTM and boy, it feels way better to my eyes.

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

Sounds like someone likes to get blinded in dark room by just looking at menus.

[@poeticalbliss7882]

@@UltraCasualPenguin Not really. DTM looks better on a variety of material that does not have enough luminance in its OG color grading. Many games fall into this category. HGiG simply looks dim as hell if there is not a slider to extend brightness. That's just how it is with an OLED that does not even 800 nits. You need tone mapping on these sets because the entire image should be regraded to suit a TV like this, and often there is no slider with HGiG. Just like DTM can look overbearing on certain games and many films. You got to understand a colorist can do things ten million ways. It has nothing to do with a simple curve and accuracy, and everything to do with how realistic the lighting is and how the colorist graded the overall lighting, especially with snow and bright skies.

[@joemamr710]

HGIG always has a slider. It either uses the consoles built in slider or is provided by the game. The games which do neither are simply not HGIG compliant and don’t use it at all Non-HGIG games, which is a ton of games, need DTM. Games which do provide a max nits slider or do read the consoles max nits slider should be set to HGIG. Unfortunately it’s a lot to test and verify, especially for games that use the consoles HGIG settings, since there is no indicator of that, so DTM is a very safe and sane and trouble free default.

[@vadimkrylov]

In the next video can you explain how technically VRR works on TVs?

[@XDLugia]

It is quite simple in principle. The TV and the console/PC enters an agreement to sync their frames (both need the setting enabled). As soon as the console/PC produces a frame and sends it away, it will tell the TV to "refresh NOW!" so that the TV won't refresh without permission from the console/PC. Without this agreement/setting between the units, the TV will just go "lalalalalala" while covering its ears and keep refreshing 50/60/120 times every second (depending on your TV) while the console/PC tries to mimic those refreshes as much as it can. When that fails, we get screen tearing and stutters.

[@AlleyKatPr0]

Interesting point: Gears 5 was built using Unreal Engine 4 - that engine uses ACES (Academy Color Encoding System).

[@EvilBoris]

It can use ACES, Gears5 doesn’t actually use the ACES tonemapper

[@AlleyKatPr0]

@@EvilBoris I know, but for future reference on UE4/5 games

[@JeremyHansenblue2kid3]

Very helpful I haven't upgraded from an OLED C8 yet so I will use dynamic tone mapping off for my PC until LG or somebody can get me a brighter outlet motion is great but I also want a better picture if I'm going to buy another display

[@samarart27]

Destiny 2 & Cyberpunk 2077 are supposed to comply with HGIG... very useful video!

[@tannman87]

Switched between DTM and HGIG playing Demon’s souls quite a few times. It was just a bit too dim with HGIG enabled.

[@hoteltango1]

I have the same feeling. HGIG looks better in the bright sun outside in smithing grounds but is just too dim for playing in Latria. DTM blows smithng grounds out but lifts Latria just enough.

[@Otacon_-]

@iSolvano HDR even with calibration on hgig (on system lvl) it kinda looked meh.. just too dim indeed, but hmm maybe I should try again. I kinda ended up liking DTM ON for Demons Souls, but tbh I didnt play enough with the ingame brightnes/con/sat sliders. I remember it not feeling very intuitive this one, its not just lowest black + peak brightnes and then creators intend from there on. If you touch the brightness setting it brightens everything up so you have to play with contrast again, which messes with the overal sat, from there on out its just random guessing? Fucking around with the entire balance..i dont know man, sigh* I guess i'm playing around with the settings again tonight =D

[@putyograsseson]

@@hoteltango1 yup I figured the same, HGIG makes bright areas brighter and dark areas darker while dtm on makes bright areas dimmer and dark areas brighter which works way better in demon’s souls as dark areas are simply too dark with HGIG enabled

[@simistef]

Yes. Same with Tomb Raider

[@karl343]

Maybe the game has a poor implementation of HDR. Sekiro has an awful implementation of HDR for example, it's from the same publisher.

[@MoayadY86]

I appreciate your video and all technical details you talked about very much, but for me HGIG is too dark and in some places you can't see anything to recognize the difference in details! Changing the HDR calibration from the PS5 settings is not sufficient at all, and changing it for each game is not convenient since some of them don't support that

[@Fodsmyth]

Just purchased 55CX for £1209 delivered. Graham at Crampton & Moore, Leeds sorted out a deal when I mentioned HDTVTest !! :D

[@mohammedlawal7471]

“Pointless as the “P” is “P”neumonia …. Love his content, very educational and straight up jokes to us who are not TV calibration experts…😁😂… love u man from Nigeria. I just bought LG CX last month or May 21 2021 with an O.S of 3.11.21

[@Daniel.Gaertner]

Vincent, can you make a short video, why it is important to leave oled light and kontrast at 100 for HDR content? Many people don't understand the difference between SDR and HDR and oled light

[@jcmbird]

Do these need to be set for 100?

[@pogtuber5146]

Dynamic Tone Mapping On actually makes Horizon Zero Dawn's sun/clouds not blow out compared to HGiG/Off. This video is nice but it is NOT a catch-all for all games. I think Dynamic Tone Mapping should be on for one-size-fits-all where you don't have to fucking worry about every single game looking absolutely perfect, because the HDR implementations right now are impossible to get accurate.

[@manyakgaming1346]

Just noticed this too…. Now idk wether to use DTM or hgig?

[@pogtuber5146]

@@manyakgaming1346unfortunately it depends on the game. Configuring any settings sold always be done in HGIG but when it comes to gameplay if it's too dim it there is bad clipping then turn on DTM

[@Hazmatt36000]

Thanks Vincent. Your the one ring to rule them all.

[@leoh18]

LG improved the dynamic tone mapping algorithm few months ago with the latest update of the firmware on the BX now these problems are mostly solved. What i did : 1. Calibrate my LG oled BX 2020 in game hdr mode with calman and xrite pro keeping dynamic tone mapping off 2. Changing my screen to dynamic tone mapping on 3. Calibrating my ps5 hdr (where the sun is barely visible) don't go far away until the sun disappears just leave it as it is barely visible. After all that ps5 games just pop up without loosing any detail. Dynamic tone detail is the way to go until the games implementes a better way to use HGiG.

[@ItachiYGO]

DTM on doesn't always brighten the image by the way. sometimes it will do the opposite...for example, if you point your camera towards the sun in a dusk setting in a game, or if you go to a level where there's a ton of burning stuff at nighttime (a burning village for example), DTM will dim the entire screen a TON in order to make the fire/sun pop out more, since OLEDs can't mantain high peak brightness on the picture as a whole. because gaming is very dynamic and youre constantly moving the camera everywhere, opening menus, maybe collecting items that have a shiny effect on them, etc, putting DTM ON will result in the average brightness of your TV keep jumping up and down to a ridiculous degree. it's similar to having a dude sitting behind you constantly adjusting the "OLED light" setting as you play. once you realise this it becomes super intrusive, and you might never be able to have it turned on anymore.

[@DeathGoesCrazy]

thank god somebody points that out, i have realised this since the first days i've used dtm. i don't get it that people don't see that but lucky they are if they see only the good side of it.

[@GeminiFate]

Yeah, I've noticed when going from a dark scene to something bright like a menu or map, the image becomes way overexposed a blown out, to where you can't see some details, then in a couple secs it levels out to where it should be. DTM is not the way

[@3dohd]

Interesting. I notice this effect a lot in God of War. I wonder if that's why

[@poeticalbliss7882]

DTM is much improved on C1s and newer. These issues don't happen that often anymore.

[@poeticalbliss7882]

@@GeminiFate There are some games that are simply not properly colored and graded for HDR. In those games DTM is most definitely the way, and the dimming issues are not present on C1s and newer much.

[@KarnageKollectibles]

I've gone back and forth and it really is a tough choice. You're right that HGIG makes the calibration screen more accurate but I feel like it's too dark when actually playing the game.

[@DrunkenRhinoceros]

I agree 100%. Regardless of the directors intent, what looks appealing to your eyes is all that matters.

[@studior3dd]

I have to agree, turning hgig off just make it less dim. It's the way to go for me. Especially for some games.

[@FuriousPope]

Yup, accurate is just that. Accurate. Depending on your viewing environment and personal preference, that might not be ideal. For me, I play in a light controlled room and have always preffered a more 'dim' picture over an overly bright one (r.i.p. plasma...). So two thumbs up to Vinny for this :).

[@KarnageKollectibles]

@@CarCompulsion yep I calibrated it using the built in Series X HDR calibration tool and then the in game tool in Gears 5 but when I started a game the first mission is too dark and so is the Gears Logo on the start screen. Back to DTM on for me.

[@Labyriiint]

Agreed, usually im one for accuracy but idk i just like dynamic tone mapping and have been using it since it got introduced with the C8 i think it was.

[@damonm3]

“On” on my pc and 3080 destiny 2 looks the best to me. Dims the brightest highlights and brings out much more detail in brights. Especially on Europa in the snow during the day. Off is a bit worse and HCGC or whatever is blown out super white too bright. Glad we have options! I don’t see any dif with super res. Not sure it does anything at 4k. Thanks for the vid. I think these results would turn out better looking at one screenshot filling the screen at a time. And using typically brighter scenes and dimmer ones. Most games are inside or out. So I’d look at it that way. Thanks🍻

[@Soloist1983]

I was devastated when the B8/B9 came out and the tone mapping was profoundly improved, some HDR content on my B7 is almost unwatchable it's so dim

[@albie21121]

What about in the older OLEDS like B8 and the ps5.....I always leave Dynamic tone mapping off and its recommened as well in this video, but how about Dynamic contrast??? Any downside to engaging that on Low or Medium for games??? Or just leave it off like tone mapping?

[@justsaying993]

Better to leave it off, dynamic contrast you can lose detail in shadows and highlights

[@mopewoodie368]

Can you do HDR for Samsung TVs ? I have a Q9FN and can’t decide on what’s best.

[@TheAlienGangster]

Rtings.com can also tell you some basic calibration settings for getting a more natural picture. If you want a natural picture but can’t do calibration, rule of thumb is to turn off motion processing options (motion interpolation, judder reduction, black frame insertion, etc.), turn sharpness to 0, set colors to warm for closest to 6500k color temperature (unless you want to manually calibrate it), set the tv to game mode for lowest latency, and turn on local dimming to help the contrast for HDR.

[@Xevorg.]

I set 1000 nits mastering peak in the secret menu and on ps5 the difference in calibration of HDR compared Dynamic Tone-Mapping On to HGIG was 16 clicks vs 14 until it disappears completely, or 15 clicks with a tiny circle visibility vs 14 clicks with a disappears completely. I propose to conduct tests on this matter. (Dynamic on _vs_hgig)

[@ginmil3436]

Hey so I'm on an oled LG from 2018 no Hgig mode after watching you video i tried to change my settings by turning DTM off but I wasn't happy at the end i play a bit with the new settings but that was too dark and just didn't seems to be hdr so I change it back. But that was really good knowledge thanks

[@chrisb1292]

14:17 one should always be careful 😉

[@pb24dagrk]

Vinny, with all this DTM talk, I'd like for you to assess Sony's undefeatable DTM on their A8H and A9G. In reviews for those TVs, you've mentioned you prefer watching with Dolby Vision "off" and relaying on DTM. I have UB9000 and use HDR Optimizer to limit peak luminance to 1000 nits, and rely on DTM. Your detailed assessment would be greatly appreciated.

[@aaronao1]

its cos their DV sucks so bad you need to use their DTM.

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

I shut off Dynamic tone mapping on my and recalibrated the HDR on my Xbox. It works pretty well. Colors look spot on I just wish the tv was brighter. I have the back light all the way up and I don't feel it's bright enough

[@nazer121]

When Vincent says "Metadata" 😍😍

[@CynicalCreator]

the hdr calibration visibility points are exactly the same with dtm on and off for the ps5, dtm makes them slightly more defined but the point that the images disappear is exactly the same. so that means dtm on is not changing the maximum visible detail level, just how visible it is in comparison to to full black or full white. if you calibrate with dtm on or off it doesn't look extremely blown out like it does when you calibrate with hgig on and then turn dtm on, which is what was happening here. yea, dtm on is still brightening the whole image, but i find dtm calibrated with tv brightness at 49 or 48 gets rid of the washed out effect while slightly stretching the low low blacks, making shadow detail just a little more visible while still keeping the 0 black inky. obviously something isnt right with hgig and lg when you have to calibrate outside of the instructed method to make it accurate to machine standards and then also have to change in-game settings to incorrect values to get a correct output. hgig may be officially correct, but it seems pretty clear that the ps5 and lg arent doing the right secret handshake for hgig to work exactly correct if you have to tweak stuff outside of spec to make it actually correct. i think it has something to do with an improper gamma curve or something like that please do a comparison of assassin's creed valhalla hgig calibrated, and dtm calibrated with brightness lowered, i just cant believe the creator's intent was to make the exquisitely detailed game as dark as it is with hgig. i'd imagine they want people to see the dark details that are lost with hgig rather than a couple extra wisps of light grey in their terribly pixellated 15fps voluminous clouds actually, the only real way to settle this is get ahold of the actual artists of the games and see what they actually use

[@Kuranghi]

Are you not able to light control your room when you watch HDR? That will fix the problem of it being too dark.

[@JanusProspero]

Vincent, thank you. Great video as always. If a game isn't HGIG compliant and doesn't provide its own HDR calibration sliders, then would setting DTM to Off provide the best image? I would love to see a video exploring this.

[@studior3dd]

From what I nottice? If the game doesn't have hdr options? Then its grey out. I'm guessing that will be turned off.

[@filmfredrik]

Use HGIG so that the tv doesn’t do any tone mapping to the image. The only reasons to use OFF would be if you’re constantly getting clipped highlights that bother you. But most games don’t have a lot of stuff above 800 nits, so it’s not really a problem.

[@melvinx01]

what a brilliant video, just got a new TV so am going through all this stuff. how the heck was I supposed to know all this! btw the nano85/86 has the same green button vrr info as the LG cx, just turn off the magic remote setttings to control the xbox!

[@darkpoethd9913]

Great advice and easily understood! What about TM when watching a movie on or off?

[@rprkjj8730]

For those wondering how to find the right peak brightness setting if no HGIG option is available, I think ignoring the instructions and raising the value until the increases in brightness becomes noticeably smaller is a good way of finding the true non-tone mapped max luminance and I think it looks the best. So for my TV, after 6 or so clicks right (equivalent to about 700 nits), clicking once more to the right has a much smaller effect on the brightness, so I leave it at 6 clicks. I think the smaller difference is a result of the tone mapping algorithm trying to make a brightness level that shouldn’t be perceivable on your TV noticeable against the 10,000 nit test blocks. Hope this helps others.

[@markokuosmanen]

Thats not how it works. With the dynamic tone mapping setting set to "Off" you will find the peak brightness of your display once the checkerboard pattern is uniform. Even though the metadata that the console outputs is 3600+ nits the TV tone maps it down to the max luminance level of the display which us somewhere around 700-900 nits for the OLED TVs depending on invidual panel variance. For using dynamic tone mapping "On" you should just max out the hdr peak brightness sliders as the tv should tone map the entire hdr Brightness range (0-10000 nits) but if the pattern becomes uniform before maxing it out then thats where the peak brightness is clipping.

[@rprkjj8730]

@@markokuosmanen My TV doesn’t have dynamic tone mapping and it takes way higher peak brightness for the checkerboard to be uniform than my TV actually has.

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

​@@rprkjj8730 In that case your TV has tone mapping. Especially since you mentioned that it doesn't support HGIG which is "real tone mapping off".

[@seanpatrickkennedy]

Thanks for the informative video. I just linked it to a friend who was arguing with me about how dynamic tone mapping would give a more accurate image on the CX. How could they think something would be more accurate if it's "dynamically" changing the images on screen?

[@pogtuber5146]

Does it matter? my experience also shows that Dynamic Tone Mapping ends up showing more detail in dark shadows and bright skies than either other setting. If it looks good, then fuck accuracy.

[@seanpatrickkennedy]

@@pogtuber5146 I WAS talking about getting an accurate picture. If your personal preference is having dynamic tone mapping on....go for it. Personally, I prefer it off.

[@pogtuber5146]

@@seanpatrickkennedy my bad I see your friend claimed it was more accurate, I misread, I'm just frustrated at adjusting entry single game all the time. I've kept it off on most things and let my eyes adjust. Tomb Raider feels more realistic with hgig

[@dwp1slyfox]

I really would like to know who is downvoting this man's videos....they are always informative, and he's funny to boot. What exactly is to dislike? On second thought, I really don't want to know who is downvoting.....best to leave them to their misery.

[@josephdenton2249]

Hello love your content would you recommend setting the peak brightness in games that have the setting to 800 to match my OLED C9 like I did in Forza 4

[@Calzone_Competizione]

Does Dynamic Tone Mapping affect the input lag?

[@kingraza32]

can you please help with the c9 pc mode? there's so much split opinion on it, i just wanna know if pc mode is beneficial if i am just playing 4k60. there is also mixed info regarding banding in pc mode on the c9. :((

[@dalebroadley3528]

I'd like to know this too

[@dubster82]

I'm pretty sure he covered that in a previous video

[@karl343]

Don't use PC mode if you're on the old consoles as it locks to a wide colour gamma, you'll get severe banding. Only use PC mode on the new consoles.

[@kingraza32]

He explained for cx pc mode. The c9 pc mode seems to respond with banding when playing on ps5. Main example i noticed for me was insomniac logo coming on before miles morales starts.

[@bmanrobinson4532]

I've been playing hunter call of the wild for about 6 months now, and on my £200 4K LG TV I randomly found the Hgig setting, and I turned it on and no exaggeration, the game looks remastered, as if it's a current gen game, the funny thing about this, is that there is no current gen version for this game, I'm running the xbox one edition on the series X, but I can't believe how upgraded the whole game looks, all because of one setting that I missed when I first set up the TV. Normally I don't get this exited over technology, but this, this is something else.

[@Andreadeluxe]

Please can you explain whats appened with the last firmware on 2019 oleds with pixel arrangement when you rename the hdmi input to pc? I need a clear explanation It seems to arrange the output on the panel to simulate a view like a standard rgb panel but with a loss of sharpness. I tried it with a 3080 @120hz