LGG Saturn/Venus PRO PADS! Artisan KILLERS? (shocking)

[@bonanzabrandon6877]

Boardzy killed the relationship between LGG and Artisan, truly shocking.

[@JonBozz6]

LGG offering different foams would truly be an Artisan-killing move. I prefer the slightly thicker and firmer original Venus, but the poron base and stitching of the Pro keep me from going back.

[@NeoCyrus777]

I contacted them with some questions regarding these and they got back to me quickly. It seems like Canadian retailers are giving them a hard time (or just not replying), so the only way for me to get one is to order from them directly.... and that'd be $60 in shipping + import fees, which is a no-go. Hopefully they'll eventually get something sorted out.

[@propixia]

Just stopped mid pyscho mob 100 episode for this 🔥

[@uoretrostream5798]

based moment

[@snowy016]

One punch man > mid psycho 100

[@propixia]

@@snowy016 can't judge as I haven't finished mob and I am not caught up on one punch man manga fully

[@a6893_]

@@snowy016 both created by same

[@echobain]

@@snowy016 they are both so good why u gotta choose between the two

[@Suspicious0ne]

I picked up the Venus Pro last week and man is it crazy good. My box had a bright orange “DO NOT BEND” and UPS put a small bend in it. I contacted Lethal Gaming Gear and got a reply within an hour and offered a replacement or refund if my crease didn’t go away after 48 hours. It was gone after 6 hours of being on my desk. Very happy and will purchase again. I think I would’ve preferred the Saturn Pro since I’m running the finalmouse tenz with glass skates, she glides a bit too good. Nothing aimlabs can’t fix with time. But for how fast and easy it was to get it to Canada was impressive.

[@VoidTracks]

Just got my Saturn pro pad in red and love it. Took my arm a couple of hours to get used to the stitching on the edge but now I don't even notice it. The stitching on my pad also has a few spots where the thread is micro fraying but I don't think it'll be an issue in the long term so that's a very minor point. My pad also didn't have a major chemical stink that some people seem to complain about. Smelt kind of tennis bally out of the box for a few hours but it's pretty much odorless now. Lastly, I ordered an artisan pad almost two months ago and it still hasn't even been shipped due to them seemingly having material shortages and worker issues over the last month. While I don't think LGG themselves will be the artisan killer, artisan really did shoot themselves in the foot by cutting ties with LGG and in turn losing easy NA distribution and customer service.

[@dasani383]

If you know Japanese people and their culture, they give zero F's about the business side when comes to principle, integrity, and honour. Just the way they are.

[@ClaymorePvP]

What? how can you order it? for me its a pre order only for late june shipping

[@Frostfirerotation]

I spoke with Lethal, they told me if interest shows they'll produce 1000mmx500mm deskpad sized pro versions. Packaging is an obstacle they face, pricing would be around 120, but maaaaaan that would be so sick....

[@sleeplesshollow4216]

I have Hayate Otsu X-soft and recently got the Venus Pro. My Venus Pro actually felt softer and stuck better to my desk (Otsu I'd often have to wipe the surface with a damp cloth first to make it stick) and they both feel amazing, but I prefer the Venus Pro b/c the size difference between their largest sizes. I rest my arm on my desk when aiming so with the Otsu I had to set my mousepad higher up on my desk with the bottom half of my arm just resting on the desk itself, but with the Venus Pro the pad can go all the way down to the edge of my desk and I STILL have more vertical room to maneuver than with the Otsu. Their stitching is still very different though imo, since it feels like the stitching on the Otsu is lower than the surface so you never feel it, but you can still kind of feel the stitching on the Venus Pro since its just flush with the surface rather than below it.

[@xXALEEUNXxgaming]

wtf u doin in here 🤣this pc sweat zone , i never knew man.

[@sleeplesshollow4216]

​@@xXALEEUNXxgaming I exist in many forms, through the divine algorithm of the Great Machine all things are possible.

[@sleeplesshollow4216]

But naw I'm a prolific commenter tbh if I watch a video and have even a remote opinion on the subject I launch that shit straight into the comments section every time lol

[@xXALEEUNXxgaming]

@Sleepless Hollow 😂😂

[@WontonDisciple]

been maining the venus pro since release and can easily say it ticks all the boxes for sure

[@daygoo053]

I have Otsu xsoft and Venus pro. I prefer the Otsu ez. The venus is rougher on the skin and the stitching is already fraying in a couple spots. The 1mm thickness is actually huge imo. I can feel my desk much more using the Venus Pro. Otsu feels smoother to me using Tiger Ice skates.

[@3ericw]

waiting on the Uranus pro review

[@nickelbf]

I was a bit disappointed with the Saturn Pro because I expected it to be a better Zero but it's not. Don't get me wrong, it does have Artisan-like quality, no hair problem and I can even use my arm sleeve without having to invert it but the surface is quite different. The Zero Soft has an almost rough texture which can help with flicking as it can be used as a reference point by your fingers/mouse feet when you swipe over the pad. The Saturn Pro's surface is super smooth and more comparable to the IKEA pad imo. Still, it's a fantastic pad that I would describe as an Artisan alternative but not killer as they are not trying to replicate already existing pads from Artisan.

[@SKULLBLAST3R]

I got both the Venus pro and Saturn pro and in terms of the Venus pro I got some slow spots already and I've only used the pad for 2 weeks. Don't have any thoughts on the Saturn yet since I haven't used it, just the Venus but this is my experience so far with pads from LGG. My otsu which I've had for over a year and a half now has only slightly slowed down

[@ChubFPS]

Does your Hayate Otsu have a slow spot or has it overall slowed down? My Otsu was scuffed with heavy use and I found the only way to mitigate it was flipping the pad so Im wearing down less of the same spot.

[@SKULLBLAST3R]

@@ChubFPS as of right now the pad has slowed down overall. I'm sure after using it during it's early months of use it had some slow spots since I tend to keep the mouse movement towards front center of the pad. But the slowdown isn't as drastic as my Venus pro. I kid you not I took out my Saturn pro out of the box like 2 days ago to compare the speed of the slowspot on my Venus pro and it's actually slower. So I was curious to see if anyone else had the same issue as me

[@tinychamberz]

@@SKULLBLAST3R my xsoft otsu has a slow spot after 3 months. im not gna buy artisan again, neither lgg tho haha

[@SKULLBLAST3R]

@@tinychamberz can't speak for other artisan pads since I've only owned the otsu soft but I've been pretty pleased with my experience with it. I don't have an opinion yet on the Saturn pro but the Venus pro is certainly not a pad I'll recommend to anyone or use again. However, initially I loved the pad which is heartbreaking because the initial and dynamic friction was perfect for me but it slowed down so much and so quickly. I'm a pretty busy guy so I don't really game too many hours throughout the week but I'll post an update on the Saturn pro when I use it enough and can form an opinion it

[@royals5608]

@@SKULLBLAST3R how about your saturn pro for longterm until now ? i was considering about the durability to buy one saturn pro or venus pro or the hayate otsu.

[@phlask1]

Just ordered the Saturn XL in red. Was waiting for the review with this colorway!

[@spacecats7832]

I just really want to see a deskmat sized saturn pro, would be fantastic.

[@TohsakaRinsThighs]

Will you do a review on the MM712 (wireless MM711, dropping in like 4 days I think) after it launches? Absolutely loved the shape of the MM711, but the wire just ruins it for me, really hope that it's gonna turn out just as great, or maybe even better than the MM711

[@1FullyEv]

Mans single-handedly disrupted a business. What a W

[@Joao_Pedro95]

i received today my Saturn Pro, and man, this pad is insane

[@JaimeRosario884]

I feel like this pads are for medium to low sens. I got the Venus and the Mercury, and the Venus feels kinda high initial friction, unless I try some glass skates or something. Because even with Tiger ICE, the Mercury feels perfect. I thought that the Mercury would be faster, but its actually pretty balanced in my opinion. I play on high sens, and you notice initial friction way more when you play on high sensitivity. Pretty sure that the Hien and even the Hayate Otsu would be faster. Cant confirm cause I dont have any Artisan pads.

[@Omar12135]

@boardzy I need to mention that my artisan pad has definitely slowed down noticeably after almost a year of use in the middle are where I mostly Place my hand. Same with my cousin's copy so these do wear down properly at the same rate as any other good mousepad and nope they don't last forever like you or some other reviews are saying

[@TheThirdeYe1337]

Not trying to say this rudely or condescendingly, but have you tried washing it yet? In my experience, all pads will slow down with usage but regain some of their speed when washed.

[@dennisetterich1405]

Clean it

[@ChiVera_]

@@TheThirdeYe1337 what do you use to wash your mousepad, because I did it once with a dish soap...

[@TheThirdeYe1337]

@@ChiVera_ I usually use a bit of unscented non-moisturizing hand soap, water and a soft sponge. If that doesn't get it fully clean, I'll repeat with some unscented laundry detergent. I have used dish soap before as well with varying results.

[@randomdude8897]

I literally have a 3 year old Zero (soft) and it still feels fresh. Wash your mousepad bro.

[@colefemo]

I just wish they’d make a desk mat size for the Saturn Pro in Red. I would make that my main in a heartbeat.

[@phai44]

I ordered Venus Pro and I am pretty excited to test it when it comes

[@TMKM]

finally a video on red squares instead of black ones:)

[@rtyzxc]

I use extremely high sensitivity, so I want a mouse pad with as low initial friction as possible, while having as high dynamic friction as possible. Basically, I want the glide to feel like oil/mud while not being sticky. However, in general, high dynamic friction would need thick pad which could become inconsistent or wear out easily, so the Saturn or Saturn Pro sounds like a good overall compromise. Saturn for possibly more dynamic friction, or Saturn pro if it's potentially more consistent or durable, but who knows. Also wondering what kind of mouse skates are the best for lowest initial friction.

[@Tirth-Patel]

🪴

[@bofadeez666]

i can vouch superglide mouse skates are great for low initial friction

[@fridging]

trust me for 3cm/360 cordura is better so you can completely have freedom in stopping the mouse using ur fingertips

[@duxeyo]

in my opinion

[@fridging]

@@duxeyo who says you need to drag ur mouse down onto your mousepad heavily? wrist and fingertips(using ur thumb and pinky to drag down allows an incredible amount of stopping power) are perfectly capable of the task

[@ACE112ACE112]

How is the long term durabiltiy and how often do you need to wash the mousepad? also what method do you use to wash the mousepad if you have to? Does the stitching fray and does is the stiching raised/digging into arm?

[@boardzy]

I never washed them in water, just lysol spray and microfibre cloth. Really good durability. Stitching hasnt frayed an amount that is actually concerning so far but I will monitor it long term and nah its super soft and flush with the surface so it wont feel raised

[@Gthetricker]

I love that there's "SHOCKING" in every video title

[@notJD2]

Do you feel much difference between the regular saturn and pro?, currently own the regular was wondering if itd be worth the upgrade.

[@boardzy]

Watch my original saturn pro vid, short answer yeah it could be worth it but not necessary

[@refragged]

I have some time on the Venus Pro and I wish I liked it more. It didn't lay flat out of the box, and although LGG replaced it for me very quickly, the second copy was even worse. Curling on both sides and nothing I did made it better. I also find it very difficult to be consistent with my aim on this pad but that is likely just a me/personal preference thing. I'm really disappointed. Back to the Odin Infinity v2 for me.

[@casedistorted]

Looks like the Saturn Pro's are now shipped flat, which is pretty nice. I got mine shipped to me today and it came in a flat cardboard box.

[@kcebulak133]

Man... All those amazing mousepads and all of them are not availible in Europe... That sucks and im stuck with very mediocre pad.

[@vidar5940]

So what should i buy venus or saturn for valorant ?😊(not pro)

[@calebabalos7026]

Did you get soft or extra soft in the Saturn pro? Or what do you reccomend?

[@Tom-yd1wr]

Boardzy you should have a look at luce out mice/mouses the have 37/39 gram wireless mice.

[@Stigness23]

I got a Venus and Saturn Pro arriving in the mail tomorrow, cant wait to try them out seeing that i love my Hyate Otsu!

[@tigerwalms]

Please let us know how the Otsu and Venus Pro compare as I'm thinking of making this switch. I sometimes wish the Otsu was just a tiny bit slower so hope the Venus might be what I need.

[@cyprian4869]

thoughts?

[@tigerwalms]

@@cyprian4869 Having received my Venus Pro I find it to be much closer to the Otsu Soft rather than the Xsoft.

[@Stigness23]

@@cyprian4869 I prefered the Venus Pro over the Saturn Pro

[@tinocabral4201]

@@Stigness23 which do you prefer, Venus pro or hayate otsu?

[@LootBoxyt]

i use the razer viper v2 pro , venus pro xl sq, and tiger ice feet on the mouse, it is the best combo out there for fast gameplay and the first war mousepad is slightly below the venus pro which I have also

[@CanalEnigmaShorts]

Do you prefer tiger ice or stock skates?

[@LootBoxyt]

i prefer tiger ice because its way faster

[@davidrrrrrr]

I already asked this on the other review of the saturn pro BUT imma ask this again, now that there is the final version of the pad. Should i buy the artisan zero (atm even thinking about ordering an hayate otsu xsoft with it) or should i just get the saturn pro? The zero would be 20 bucks cheaper and the otsu 10 bucks cheaper...

[@davidrrrrrr]

@@Luftrille Yes but i dont know if the Saturn pro is worth 10-20 bucks more

[@MargootMC]

IM SHOCKED 🤯 (shocked)

[@ruleset]

Got my Artisan Zero Xsoft a few days ago and I'm loving it, switched from a 5-7 years old qck lmao

[@julianj5532]

I have the aqua control + which I enjoy very much. It is really worn now however, so I am looking to get a new mouse pad. Is the $70 (including tax and shipping) price point for the saturn pro worth it? Or should I just order another aqua control + or aqua control 2 for half the price?

[@choke-]

yeah $70 for me too really considering buying it though

[@p0kel]

I had an AC+, then an AC 2, now on an artisan otsu and the price always seemed high, but the quality is well worth it. If these pads are actually on par with artisan $70 is a good deal

[@julianj5532]

@p0kel how would you rate aqua control + compared to artisan otsu?

[@p0kel]

@@julianj5532 I'd say similar speed, maybe a bit faster, but better in every other way, plushness, overall quality, stitching, the base. If you like the AC+ you'll love the otsu

[@blocksberg3758]

@@p0kel which hardness did you Go with

[@Salted983]

every mousepad review title had this *Artisan KILLER? (shocking)*

[@KhapriSun]

Got my saturn pro a week ago, really like it. although im considering in getting the venus too, see whether I would prefer it

[@darkofps]

I have a Hien and a Venus Pro and I like the Venus better. It's faster than the Hien and the Hien is faster than the Zero/Saturn so just keep that in mind. I'm very satisfied with my Venus Pro though.

[@KhapriSun]

@@darkofps I've only ever actually used slower control pads, so something as quick as the venus will be new to me. not sure whether it's something that will be for me, but worth a try to find out.

[@darkofps]

@@KhapriSun try a faster pad out and see how it goes. Never know, you may like it better

[@FriendNotFoeBand]

I have a piece of wet cardboard that I found wandering the Tenderloin in SF in a k-hole... which I enjoy very much. It is really worn now however (and no longer smells like ripe urine), so I am looking to get a new mousepad. Is the $70 (including tax and shipping) price point for the Saturn Pro worth it??? Or should I wander around and find another piece of Wet Cardboard or Wet Cardboard 2 for no (monetary) cost at all?

[@hugogregs]

Yes

[@federaltaxevader911]

based video as always boardzy 🤠🤠🤠

[@HeathLethal]

Seems like your mice glide way better than mine ever do on the same mouse pads

[@Blanq1x]

Different moues skates maybe

[@oishidaisuki9345]

would you consider doing a video on slowest to fastest mousepads?

[@D0WnL0DeR]

What glides do you use on your DAV3? Im trying to find some, mine is already worn out. Sadly maxgaming doesnt have it yet in scandinavia.

[@boardzy]

leegit stock ones that are wearing out haha, gonna get some corepads tho u should be able to get it from corepad directly

[@D0WnL0DeR]

@@boardzy Nice, yeah the stock ones already worn down

[@g00nyt]

I'm rocking the Walhaut now for a few months and its way better than the QcK Prism Cloth I had before for a year, would u recommend upgrading to the Saturn Pro since I find the Walhaut a little bit too textured for my taste.

[@Cascoh_]

Are they sweat/moiseture proof like artisan? The 500x500 has me pretty much sold tho

[@aditrex]

they are so expansive in eu old Venus PRO mousepad still would cost me 55eur just not worth it

[@antibarra3802]

Are they ever gonna make an extended version of these?

[@boardzy]

They are developing them currently

[@antibarra3802]

@@boardzy bet

[@drizzlydr4ke]

I have the original venus for quite some time now and it feels like brand new, very good quality indeed I was surprised tbh. Well done lgg

[@craineyy6703]

Which would you suggest red or black after awhile or using for cleanliness?

[@alexanderprofit5232]

Bought Staturn Pro and it's fits good with my Vaxee Outset AX

[@ej9806]

Is there a Raiden clone? I can't seem to find a cloth pad that is as fast as Raiden

[@tvincent6856]

next video mouse pad tier list?

[@TPN_MeDS]

I'm more confused! Lol. Got the venus pro, but think I'll get a saturn pro also.

[@Colin.Ngai.]

Thank you boardzy with the discount code for my BROKE ASS, going from 52 to 49 perfectly the amount in my bank account

[@ACE112ACE112]

Was your video the actual reason for artisan to stop having lgg as a retailer for its mousepads or was that just a joke statement?

[@boardzy]

Yes it’s true, I didn’t include the dms from lethal in the vid

[@musicah8496]

bought both during the september release on lgg and they are indeed very similar to the otsu and zero.

[@josegallosogil5427]

do u prefer zero or saturn,and hayate otsu or venus?

[@musicah8496]

@@josegallosogil5427 I would say the Saturn pro over zero just because it's a little bigger than the zero but the difference is seriously negligible just like what boardzy mentions. Availability is also a big factor as both Saturn pro and Venus pro are available right now. Between the otsu and the Venus pro, I'm not sure how everyone else feels but I have a little more control on the Venus pro and it feels a little rougher (a little more textured than the otsu) which is probably the reason. I think the Venus has a little more stopping power than the otsu and No, it won't scratch your hands. The two main things they differ on is the stitching quality. I think artisan's edge stitching is just a little better but again, the difference is negligible. It's like comparing a stitching that is 10/10 and the other is 9/10. The other difference is the thickness of the pad. The artisan pad is just a little thicker than the lgg pad but that doesn't affect me at all. I really don't notice it when using it in game. With all that said, you won't regret getting any of these choices. Pick the one most available/cheapest and you'll be happy. They are like clones of each other

[@musicah8496]

@@josegallosogil5427 btw, I have all of them so I think I have a decent idea. Just pull the trigger on whatever makes you happy. the lgg mouse pads can be had at 500x500 which is a tad bit bigger than the xl versions of any artisan mousepad and the artisan mousepads are just a tiny bit thicker. So if you grip your mouse like a mofo and push it down, then lgg might be better. Either Way, like I said, you can't go wrong with any of these choices. They are all top tier shit

[@linoromero615]

True video

[@JonVon_]

is the Saturn pro really worth the price difference against the normal Saturn ?

[@iJansport]

I have and main a hayate otsu soft, I ordered the Venus pro hoping that its a similar experience but smoother to the touch glide.

[@blocksberg3758]

How has the comparison been

[@iJansport]

@@blocksberg3758 i ended up preferring the Venus pro, since its slightly slower than my otsu. I liked it so much that I ordered a saturn and I'm currently trying that out.

[@sirsiver]

​@@iJansport hello, can i have an update about those mousepads? I have an ac+ black and i was thinking to switch to an lgg pro saturn/venus, what is you experience?

[@iJansport]

@@sirsiver my Venus pro is a slightly slower hayate otsu. I mained the saturn for a while recently until I ordered an xsoft zero that I am currently testing. I would say get a saturn if you play tac shooters like val or cs, and then get a Venus if you play games like apex or other fast paced games

[@sirsiver]

@@iJansport lgg mousepads are too expensive in my country so i was thinking about hayate otsu, how it compareso to a black ac+? Thank you for you help btw, much appreciated!

[@roberto-hs2tb]

How do they compare to the razer strider?

[@boardzy]

Strider is a lot rougher and more firm than both. Strider is close to a GTFX/Hien mid

[@-KLEEKO-]

Never switching from the hien

[@Mastrr]

Opinions on the new Odin pad?

[@TheChekan]

Artisan still tops out simply because they offer better sizes.

[@boardzy]

If by better you mean smaller?

[@TheChekan]

@@boardzy yes

[@Moonwired]

I am looking for a good quality mousepad, but one that feels soft to the touch like a cloth mousepad, for low dpi. I tried the Artisan XSOFT Hayate Otsu v2, and found it too rough to the touch, and super noisy. Do you have any recommendation in the Artisan or LGG lines?

[@qkNorris]

the LGG saturn is completely smooth/silent, but also not too slow. Its my main pad now. the faster LGG pads like the venus and mercury have that rough/loud texture to them, which is what allows them to be faster pads.

[@Moonwired]

@@qkNorris I eventually picked up the saturn pro, it tracks dog hairs like crazy, but I love the soft feel, it improves the experience so much. (I don’t know why it only just now gave me a notification)

[@oakfig]

Has there been any updates to the Venus since this review?

[@bo0t3r29]

Hayate otsu mid is way better than xsoft/soft, its faster and more consistent. I love the pad, super durable and always washable. Why should I even think about buying a LGG...

[@pld3vet55]

Boardzy would you recommend corepads or superglides on a viper v2 pro to pair with a artisan hien soft? I am getting a hien at the end of this month

[@codmahan2771]

Get corepads, super glides are coated wich overtime will wear down and feel inconsistent and ruin your mousepad

[@pld3vet55]

@@codmahan2771 thanks for the input.

[@boardzy]

Corepads tbh, with light mice glass skates dont really benefit as much

[@alteregoVAL]

boardzy and "shocking" (shocking)

[@solarstar567]

what kind of grips/grip tape is on the pink GPX boardzy is using around 5:43 mark in this video? They dont look like BTL

[@xXALEEUNXxgaming]

Everyone sleeps on the mercury, bots confirmed

[@Juan-sq9hb]

LGG Raiden when?

[@Yuukister]

Is the LGG saturn or Venus easier to carry around compared to hayate otsu artisan? The Hayate cannot be rolled or it breaks its surface

[@nothingness863]

artisan is a niche brand, it's not popular enough to require "killers"

[@Kohgie]

@boardzy did you buy the Saturn Pro soft or Extra soft ?

[@michaelschwarz5907]

is it an improvement from a pulsar parabrake v2? i mean it got a smooth glide and i dont mind the cheaper stitching (not using that area).

[@screaminsilence81]

I bought myself the venus pro, i love it... but for some reason it wont stick to my desk... i cleaned the desk beforehand ... when i try it on my girlfriends desk, it does stick and stay in place like a brick... any tips on what i can do, i suppose the surface is just to slick...

[@twisted1191]

I’m currently using a LGG mercury and I want to get a pro one which would a better swap

[@dreadsonix3961]

Day 2 of asking Boardzy to review the pulsar paraspeed

[@CaptainBubblze]

Which one is like the most like the hein

[@varoi1]

what would you recommend as the best mousepad for overwatch?

[@donnynguyen]

should I get Venus pro or Saturn pro if I play valorant? have super light with corepads

[@un_Rufus]

Boardzy is the razer viper ultimate good?

[@MrPrecisionTech]

yo what grip tapes are those on the pink gpx? doesn't look like anything I've seen yet

[@Radexw]

Hi, is the venus pro similar with glorious fire? I’m really looking for a glorious fire bigger alternative

[@abruce910]

what mousepad should I go with to replace my ARTISAN Hayate Otsu XS xl?

[@luis14446]

what mouse feet do you recommend with the saturn pro?

[@AbdurRahman-op2om]

Hey Boardzy! Love your videos! I have a question, which mouse would you prefer- Razer Viper mini/ Hyperx Pulsefire Haste or what would you recommend for a budget mouse?

[@kex_elo]

Just ordered my zero bro

[@MovinOG]

counting how many times he gonna put shocking in his titles

[@brandonkw930]

Are there any good desk pads that aren't hideous?? As a keyboard person who also likes fps, it's really sad that all the gaming focused desk pads are hideously gauche

[@SkyyKeiron]

Try techsource mousepads Theyre typically not my style but he has a couple cool designs Hes just a youtuber chill dude U might like some idk

[@ehatn]

whats the difference between the venus and saturn

[@lukaserlichson-deliz368]

So I am really debating between the venus pro and the hayate otsu xsoft. Any suggestions? I play for a valorant team but I love playing overwatch and apex in my free time

[@mashmadness4509]

otsu xsoft is faster but has better stopping power. the venus pro is smoother to the touch, u cant go wrong with either! qualitywise they are both great.

[@ipressdatofu]

Need a jupiter pro.

[@thehaven444]

how about Artisan Hien?

[@josegallosogil5427]

how do they compare to the Aqua Control 2?

[@ClaymorePvP]

What? how can you order it? for me its a pre order only for late june shipping

[@pamelaclark400]

how is the stitching holding up?

[@nonsensewt1572]

Why we should buy LGG for 50$ when we have Odin Infinity for 20$?

[@boardzy]

Completely different products, why buy odin infinity for 20 when the LGG mercury is 15?

[@synxx1282]

Hayate Otsu Soft or Venus Pro?