What other gear can you buy for the same price as the OP-XY ?

[@LiamKillen]

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[@Rustik1722]

Starting vid….always trust you….lets see what you say….

[@DonLMusic]

the craziest part is the hardware doesn’t even try to justify the price. just regular (aka cheap) converters if not bad ones like the akais, nothing special said about the sound quality (sounds cheap digital as hell as the ops ? ). boutique item for hipster producers to post videos and never release a single good song made on it. too much money on marketing and aesthetic designs and no money on sound.

[@LiamKillen]

Comment got a bit harsh lol

[@izraelservantofalmightygod]

TE would still make profit if this device would cost 999 which it should

[@orrin-manning]

I'm just mad because it seems like OP-1f and OP-XY should have been a single device. If OP-1f had more capable MIDI sequencing functionality to compliment the tape workflow it would be a perfect device

[@LiamKillen]

I see what you mean

[@PaulOrtiz]

Honestly I think for people looking for a portable, hands on solution an iPad is so hard to beat. I bought a second hand 3rd gen 12.9" pro for £500 about 5 years ago. Setting aside the fact that it's basically a computer and can do general productivity and entertainment things, it's also a DAW, with an entire AU ecosystem, a groovebox, a drum machine, a synth, a sampler, either as an external audio source in my studio or as its own standalone sketchpad/idea starter. The only thing it's missing is physical controls, and you can solve that with a USB-C hub + any controller you fancy. And an audio interface if you want to record your voice or instruments. But yeah, 2300 would get you a brand new PC laptop (or a refurb'd MBP) plus a Maschine+ and a full DAW of your choice. So you can work fully portable and then finish the songs off at your computer. I've seen some cool videos with the XY, and it sounds good. But ultimately they just amount to fun little jams. If it were 500, it'd shift so many units. But I feel like they're choosing to paywall it behind a brand tax.

[@LiamKillen]

Thank you for your take on this ! :-)

[@197979jones]

On paper the Ipad is hard to beat - until you try and make music on it! And then dealing with dongles, camera connection kits, having to tap glass, battery flaking out, 3rd party audio routing apps. Nah

[@PaulOrtiz]

@@197979jones tbh I've not had any trouble with that. I have a low profile USB C hub (kinda sits flush against the side of the iPad) with headphone out, HDMI, a USB type A and a type C for charging. I use it with a knockoff keyboard + trackpad case, got the pen as well which is nice for note editing. No audio routing apps required anymore as 99% of them are AUv3. So you just run it all in Logic, Cubasis, etc. As many instances as you like (or until you run out of juice!). Back when it was inter-app audio it was indeed an absolute nightmare. Put me off iOS music for years!

[@197979jones]

@@PaulOrtiz Thats fair enough. The most fun i had with an ipad was with the OXI ONE sequencer. It connects beautfully with the ipad via bluetooth. OXI gives the tactile element (as well as being a great sequencer) and basically the ipad just becomes a very efficient sound module. Then just route/record the OXI to the DAW on ipad

[@tomb6576]

I saw the price and literally laughed out loud. I love TE gear but my god you could get a top of the line computer for that money. And probably a daw too!

[@LiamKillen]

I mentioned that in the video! You can get a solid Mac m1 for a little over 2300 lol

[@curtisthacreator2231]

Yes correct or you can pick one of these up I already have a m4 computer

[@MassiveForm]

Saying you already have a computer doesn't make the xy a better value.​@curtisthacreator2231

[@MassiveForm]

​@@curtisthacreator2231already owning a computer doesn't make the XY a good value

[@curtisthacreator2231]

@ correct but we don’t know if it’s good value we don’t have our hands on one yet

[@fuentessetneuf]

I appreciate this video. I’m new to the Elektron family with the Digitakt 2 and Syntakt. I couldn’t figure out whether the OP-XY had something else to offer than my setup besides the portability. You’ve answered my question and I’m sticking to what I have. Thank you!

[@LiamKillen]

It’s my pleasure!

[@hexwavemusic]

I appreciate the reality check here; all the people who got one for free are understandably quite excited, heck I would be. But in reality it is not something that is going to be for everyone, it has many limitations (4 bars, 8 tracks, 8gb mem, etc), but does some unique interesting things plus has the portability (and style) factors. But it's definitely important to take some time to actually think of options, and unless you have a ton of excess money and portability is a must. I don't remember if you mentioned but you could also get the Digitone 2 and Digitakt 2 brand new and still have an extra almost $500, for another example.. Anyway, I do like to joke about TE when they release stuff like this, but I fully understand the hype and I think it's quite cool myself, even if I would never get one.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah like all TE stuff it’s very specifically targeted

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

virus can do 16 tracks multi-timbral, better FX, better synth engine

[@el9delcielo]

Synthstrom Deluge: portable, expandable storage, sampler, synth engines, lfós, etc…..

[@jaysilence3314]

Open Source firmware with active community churning out new and improved features.

[@LiamKillen]

God everyone's mentioning the Deluge!!

[@LiamKillen]

Community !? I love communities !

[@yarogore]

bud deluge looks very ugly

[@aravartanian7578]

I own the Deluge, love the Deluge. But the Deluge's synths just don't sound very good. And nobody quite knows why. Rephazer has some great multisample libraries that are a labor of love. And Boards Of Deluge has pushed that thing as far as it will go. But it still has this very particular washed out thin sound. It's hard to get like a great supersaw out of it, for example. Does it have something to do with the reverb? Something to do with the filters? I don't know. But it's real.

[@Calito_G]

Deluge and / or dirtywave M8 just dwarf what TE is proposing here. No hate for TE, I owned the op-Z and a bunch of pocket operators, and had a lot of fun with those.

[@LiamKillen]

Man so many peeps mentioning deluge

[@197979jones]

The amazing thing with the OP-XY is not being contained within its eco system. It embraces other FX units/pedals etc. Its pretty nuts you can send individual (or multiple) tracks from the OP-XY to other FX units and then route it back into the OP-XY. Achiving that with a laptop would require an extra bulky mixer, a bulky interface, wires etc. That feature alone makes it a brilliant piece of kit to compose with.

[@LiamKillen]

It's def an intriguing unit !

[@tubeMonger]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on OP-XY and hints on redirecting GAS. I know I would feel guilty about owning OP-XY because I know I wouldn't use it enough to justify the price.

[@LiamKillen]

It’s my pleasure 😊

[@BrandonDennis1]

Teenage Racketeering

[@LiamKillen]

😅

[@ricknorris1466]

Time for Behringer to step in.

[@g3cd]

For $2300, I can get a Prophet 6 desktop or a Nord Wave 2 (with 48 polyphonic voices and half-weighed 61-keys). Both can do more than the OP-XY in terms of sound and have better usability. No sequencer though, but I have that already anyway, for example the Squarp Hapax which will rip the OB-XY sequencer apart with one arm on its back.

[@LiamKillen]

Oh absolutely

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

Ableton Move $449 Ableton Push 3 $1000 Standalone $2000

[@LiamKillen]

Yup- that too

[@cresshead]

standalone with non demo o/s - £2400. you'll NEED a pc/mac too though to move files....

[@steventaylor3789]

@@cressheadsorry what’s £2,400?

[@SmallWorldBigThings]

@@cresshead Don't you need a PC/Mac to move files for OP-XY?

[@jnorris3738]

If you break it down to just needing a portable way to make music, a MacBook and copy of ableton + some plugins will go far for $3000. But if you need some inspiring hardware that can create whole tracks it gets a lot harder to find even at that price point

[@LiamKillen]

That’s the land that TE takes with some of their products. Still…expensive AF though lol

[@RosssRoyce]

Very good reflection/comparison video!

[@LiamKillen]

Thx for watching!

[@hwoccurrence]

I ordered one with a 30 days return option. I bought the OP1 used. I really liked the form factor, but not the tape workflow. I have large analog synths, but I tend to use my small gear like the M8 more. With how good VSTs has become choosing gear has become more about the fun and versatility factors for me. For instance I have trouble getting the synth sounds I want from my M8, but I love how portable it is, so sending the MIDI notes to a VST when I am ready to use it for a track is something I do a lot.

[@LiamKillen]

Smart move with the return option!!

[@kowen50422]

I own an OP-Z with OPlabs and quite happy with it as a controller to my Eurorack setup and for some voices/drums. The main issue I have is the build quality + would like have a bit more steps (you can have 64 steps but 4 steps would overlap on one LED, it's not ideal). I was thinking of buying a Oxi One. Possibly to control the OP-Z + Eurorack from there for the time being and later replace the OP-Z completely. Would you say the Oxi One would be a good option to replace OP-Z sequencing and how would it compare to the OP-XY sequencing?

[@LiamKillen]

Oxi One would ABSOLUTELY be a great sequencing replacement of the OP-Z. It will absolutely blow your mind.

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

I would love to see Akai come out with some super portable device.

[@LiamKillen]

Me too!!

[@prinzbach]

That would be great indeed!

[@tomb6576]

@@bjamminsincebirth3494 this would be so great

[@SantiagoGT15]

The Live 2 is pretty portable and comes with a battery and speakers

[@Sunshine-je9pr]

I’ve been hoping for an MPC with the profile of the Move. The Move is great, but lacks the true sampling abilities that I love my MPC for

[@raffitchakmakjian]

I just started watching but I already loved this video just on the title alone lol, so many thoughts went through my mind.

[@LiamKillen]

Haha exactly- thx for watching 😊

[@danncozey]

Thanks for sharing ❤

[@LiamKillen]

pleasure :-)

[@rossawilson01]

Such a massive part of their ethos is portability, along with highend design, high quality materials and huge functionality, it should be a surprise all that costs money. Most everything else is way bigger and you need a plug.

[@meskisable]

Nop. TE is most overpriced gear on the market. For instance pocket operators costs about 3euro per unit to produce, but sells for 100 without the case. Same shit with their other units.

[@thecompletetom]

I have an op-z I picked up second hand. It's plastic, and while it's portable and pretty powerful, it's also tiny and annoying as fuck to use and arrange on. Yoinking the price up with minimal functionality improvements just seems like a scam

[@Heathcliff_hensel]

Yes keep drinking the Koolaid

[@planyrescape]

I think the TE hate has been brewing for a while due to a confluence of poor decisions. The poor build quality on several of their products was frustrating. If you ever have had to deal with their customer service, extremely frustrating. And then the price tag on the field series us just prohibitively expensive for many. A lot of people got started on pocket operators or an op-1 or op-z. Watching this company go this direction is supremely frustrating. It would be one thing if the products were just bad. But the idea of a beefy op-z with a built in screen and without the build quality issues seems like a piece of kit i could really use. But i just can't justify the cost. I need to invest in a PA system for some shows i want to host. I'll probably spend less on a solid PA system than the cost of a new OP-XY. And thats ridiculous. I also worry that other companies will follow this pricing model if its successful. And that would be a huge bummer.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah I get it - I agree that the build quality is lacking in some instances with their higher priced product in my experience, which was def a let down.

[@planyrescape]

@@LiamKillen I mean, three times I've had total failure from a pocket operator and gotten zero response from customer support. That's bad. That is something that builds resentment. Then, when you see the more expensive builds fail and you see the hate in a comment section, I mean, I would call it justified. TE is a company I'd put one peg below Behringer when it comes to fuckery. And I think that one peg has more to do with TEs size and influence compared to Behringer. TE knows what they are doing. And if they had the means to get away with more, they would

[@ToyKeeper]

For the price of a OP-XY with a case, I got an Akai Force, Sequential Pro 3, two decksavers, stands, SSD hard drive, mic, mixer, cables, and a table. All brand new.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah that checks out

[@Nova-TechnoLAB]

Liam, always the voice of reason in the synth world. Excellent video! Thanks

[@LiamKillen]

Thx as always for watching

[@Fthmlss]

Happy to say i’ve finally recovered from TE GAS and won’t be remortgaging my house for the XY! Looks awesome but after getting into the Digitakt workflow i wont be looking back anytime soon!

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah you're good for sure.

[@tomb6576]

Honestly if you've really got a TE itch, I'm very much here to recommend getting an OP Z. It's still a bit costly but it's a great little portable device.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah I used it for years- highly recommended.

[@FuZZbaLLbee]

If the build quality was better, then yes. Unfortunately it bends, the buttons stop responding and the magnetic encoder start to pop out. Workflow was fun though.

[@tomb6576]

​@@FuZZbaLLbeeI've yet to experience it here but I dread it coming, I know a few fixes have been found but it's ridiculous that it's a problem to begin with

[@Thejjone]

How would you compare the op xy with the Deluge as step sequencer?

[@LiamKillen]

I’m not familiar with the deluge!

[@ChristopheTornieri]

Different topic but did you have a chance to try the Polyend Synth?

[@LiamKillen]

I did! Won’t be doing a review here on YT though

[@LiamKillen]

I’ll prob be doing some Polyend tracker mini content in the near ish future though

[@ChristopheTornieri]

@@LiamKillen Cool. I was thinking it could be a good fit with an oxi one. I wonder though if the oxi has enough juice to power the Polyend synth with the usb connection. If it is the case, it might be an excellent simple setup.

[@DrFearCo]

I sold my op-1 because the workflow didn’t jive with me. The XY workflow does. I kinda still want it lol

[@LiamKillen]

I get it lol

[@knowEgo]

*Thanks for calling them out - without calling them out*

[@LiamKillen]

😂

[@iNuchalHead]

It really cannot be stressed enough. You need to be very careful about the direction you relieve that GAS.

[@LiamKillen]

😂

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

my Virus TI2 cured gas

[@bigkingsha]

I bought a Digtone II & Digitakt II & still had $ left over for groceries and a few bottles of whiskey. TE are smoking some exotic shit. I'm still rockin' w/the O.G. OP1 - I'm good.

[@LiamKillen]

The OG is pretty fkn good!

[@powermix24]

They definitley smoking bamboo with this one. Digitone 2 and Digitakt 2 with a Behringer (Insert the cheap analog synth you want) and still you have money left 😂

[@kevindewinter8235]

Hi Liam, does the big six sound better then the model 1.4?

[@LiamKillen]

They’re different - I dropped a model 1.4 to Big Six comparison over on my Patreon -> www.patreon.com/liamkillenmusic

[@aaron-jamesgomez4153]

As someone who's bought both OP1s I've never felt like I wasted money. I spent alot to experience the op1 magic. At first its hard to get good sounding beats but once it clicks it's amazing 👏 I have some other gear but op1 is the goat. I'll probably have to break my bank account to get this new one though

[@LiamKillen]

I use it specifically for its synth sounds alone

[@aravartanian7578]

OP1 is the GOAT. It's true. Kind of funny to say but there's nothing quite like its keyboard. I plug it in as a controller for other things all the time.

[@ploddi360]

You're paying 2300 for careful curation of constraints.

[@LiamKillen]

In a way, yeah lol

[@amandacapsicum686]

mac pro moment

[@Fl4ppers]

beautifully put

[@gekkonier]

I could buy (actually they are discounted at one retailer) an octatrack and a digitone2.

[@LiamKillen]

Exactly

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

and Elektron honestly makes better gear in many ways

[@LoserDub]

Guys, a mini pc, two touch screen monitors, and audio interface and midi controller, you got a mobile studio that can do just about all of this and more

[@MidlifeSynthesist]

Awesome video bro!!🤘🏻 Gotta say, the GAS is strong with this one😂

[@LiamKillen]

You gave in !!!!!

[@bleepfakes]

Think you're missing the point here. All the gear you match up is massive, the OP-XY fits in your pocket. I am no TE fanboy don't even own one thing, but it is clear to see this is part of their high end, super precision engineering stuff like the TX-6. I have no intention to ever own it, but at the same time it's pretty cool there is a company out there making these super high end precision bits of audio kit.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

the TX=6 is great

[@LiamKillen]

I agree with you- they’ve got that lane on lock for sure- there’s plenty of smaller units though that are super capable and less than half the price. Bottom line, if it works for you and you’re willing to pay the price- you can’t put a price on fun

[@lbarnett748]

I’d go for a Erica synths Perkins drum machine and an old op1 for this.

[@LiamKillen]

Omg crazy that even the Perkins is less than this lol

[@bloopbleepnothinghere]

*Perkons. Don't let autocorrect upset the Baltic gods.

[@adamoliver82]

Good call. Perkins is funny, there's a sensible women's clothes shop in the UK called Dorothy Perkins, that's a different vibe completely!

[@lbarnett748]

@@adamoliver82😂

[@lbarnett748]

@@LiamKillen I know it’s nuts man.

[@jantuitman]

Great nuanced take on the OP-XY! I recently bought an Ableton Move. I just realized that although I feel GAS for the OP-XY if I were to buy it, I could instead buy an Ableton Push , and use the Move on the go and the Push at home. The combination of Push and Move I find a lot more capable / enticing than an OP-XY though I must admit that an OP-XY can do a bit more on the go than a Move alone can do on the go.

[@LiamKillen]

The Push is wayyy more capable for sure.

[@pasxa]

You can also buy secondhand OPZ for ~$400 and have like 90% of XY features

[@LiamKillen]

Mmmmaybe- I think it’s different though

[@DamianDodd]

And hope it’s not warped

[@kathleencoveny3860]

Wow wow .. and wow again! ... thanks for the heads up ... cheers!

[@LiamKillen]

Cheers to you!

[@Studio_4to1]

Much needed video

[@LiamKillen]

I thought so lol

[@Studio_4to1]

@ I’m glad you’re the one doing this first. We needed someone with the authority to do so without being condescending. And on an unrelated note, all thanks to you, I’m waiting on a brand new BigSIX - which is basically the same price as the XY. So all in all, everything falls into place on this side of the screen. (Kind of) Full circle, I guess. Thanks for the amazing content. Your perspective on things is always refreshingly sincere and educated.

[@NeoLudditevisons]

You can snag both the rytm and A4 mk1s for the combined price of one mk2 as well.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah I know they’re so cheap! There’s only a master out though 😢

[@NeoLudditevisons]

@@LiamKillen yeah for the A4 MK1 only master out but i think seperate in overbridge. However rytm mk1 has all the outputs etc. Defo worth a buy in good condition imo.

[@RubenGugis]

A whole little home studio if buying used.

[@LiamKillen]

Yyyup

[@HIFI1965]

I love gear, and have alot of it. Too much actually. The question is not in the gear but in the artist. With electronic music, anyone can practically play any gear. This is unlike traditional instruments - I can play the bass, but cannot play the bassoon. All of that being said, I make my best music when I can focus in on one instrument and really play it. The OP XY might work for me, but I just bought the Move, and the DN-2. Both of which scratch a different itch, but in many ways serve the same interest. And my beloved SP 404 mk2 (or should I say both of them - I'm an SP bigamist). For the OP XY I may want to go there, but then again, I can wait for the market to stabilize. As I tell my wife, when I buy gear on Reverb, I'm not really buying it, just putting my money in escrow, for when I sell it back.

[@LiamKillen]

I always end up selling a little lower then I bought lol- it takes so fkn long to get a “fair deal”

[@HIFI1965]

@ yes, I price it to move, but just consider in the cost of using it. I keep iconic gear tho.

[@SimpleTrax]

Why wouldn't I get octatrack instead of OPXY?

[@LiamKillen]

Because it’s dense AF to learn

[@jakobDium]

Are you perhaps the only KZbinr doing honest reviews? I think so. All the classic places to check out "gear reviews" seem to only say good things about the brands that send them products. For me, this video is one of the best on the entire internet. Thanks for making it!

[@LiamKillen]

In all honesty, from my perspective, if a company sends you a cool product, you're going to review it ! Especially if you receive it before release, it's a great opportunity for your channel - and there are people interested in picking up the OP-XY. If I received it, I would also review it. But seeing as I didn't receive it, it's an opportunity for me to give my perspective as a general consumer. It's a pleasure ! Thx for watching :-)

[@jakobDium]

@@LiamKillen I mean of course you would do the review but i assume keeping a honest opinion.

[@adamoliver82]

They're selling the Deluge in retailers now. £1179 in UK, that's surely an option with change, maybe stick a BOUM on the output.

[@LiamKillen]

Man so many people mentioning the deluge ... i gotta try this thing out.

[@zonashi8645]

“Qy 70 better” -my budget

[@LiamKillen]

😏

[@spencertatum897]

I will never understand why you went with the big six instead of the Tascam Model 12. It's not quite the same, but it does many of the same things as the big six does (and does a few more things) for less than 1/4 of the price.

[@LiamKillen]

I got a pretty good discount - fully analog - 4 super analog tracks with plenty more headroom - classic g bus compressor built into the unit - love the design - felt like a good decision ! The only thing i'm worried about is the audio interface chip busting on me in a few years. After purchasing I heard a few things about that potentially happening ! :-(

[@spencertatum897]

@@LiamKillen fair. Let's hope everything works on the unit for years to come 🙏🏾 thanks for another amazing video btw.

[@jasonjayalap]

5 or 6 yamaha seqtraks ($400). The philosophy of this product is "3x as good as the seqtrak at any price."

[@LiamKillen]

5 or 6 lol ... imagine

[@Modrunnermusic]

Fr. Thanks for saying it.

[@LiamKillen]

It’s my pleasure

[@raul0ca]

Last year I picked up an open box Korg Nautilus 61 for $1500. It has so many classic Korgs and electric pianos it's not funny. The latest firmware adds a Wavestation mode. It's around 40 lbs so the OP xy beats it there

[@LiamKillen]

Haha there’s always a trade off

[@jaydeepalmer]

Meanwhile I'm waiting to afford a P6 to pair with my mc101 😅

[@LiamKillen]

😅

[@djkanyon]

2300... tbh i would spend it on any workstation like old Fantom for 1400. And another grand will be spent on some vintage gear from Ebay.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah - it do be expeezy.

[@Geekraver]

Another way of looking at this is what other gear can you sell now you have an OP-XY? ;-) I think for me that just about pays for it.

[@LiamKillen]

😏

[@matthewdavis473]

I paid less for a PRS Silver Sky

[@LiamKillen]

😏

[@darklsn]

I bought a first edition OP-1 about a year or two before they came out with the OP-1 field. I promptly ditched it and got into eurorack, and somehow, that was STILL a better use of my money.

[@LiamKillen]

Really!? 😂

[@Ayeyomilo]

the only thing I used my op1 for was to pitch up samples for the sp12 it was time to go. I never was like wow the sounds the workflow! After the gas was empty was just a expensive paper weight. Ps use my po33 every fn day tho!!!🤘

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah I understand this take.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

OP1 has terrible workflow the tape system drives me nuts!

[@saardean4481]

Tbh in my case I honestly never managed to find any TE product inviting enough to even try it. I was always satisfied enough by watching videos about them so I guess I am lucky to not have the temptation and genuinely don’t care about their pricing. That said one thing I find cool is the portability of the TE OP series. I added a Powerbank to my digitakt 2 to make it portable and it’s almost 2kg and feels like it could chop my feet off if I dropped it. I wish they made a Digitakt 3 in the format of the „Model“ series.

[@LiamKillen]

Interesting take - I was so in when I first saw TE products like the OP-1 / OP-Z. I wonder if I would have the same position now at their current prices.

[@saardean4481]

@@LiamKillen i understand. Dunno. I am not even exaggerating when i say they completely went past me. I remember when the mini mixer came out i was thinking about possible usage and concluded its simply too small for my hands. Then the field recorder, dunno. I work in the sound dprmnt in movies and am used to the workflow of the „normal“ sized devices. Some of their products look nice but also a bit like overpriced design studies. The Op-Z you mention was not that crazy priced if i remember correctly? But the other ones,,, sweet jesus protected me :-)

[@MURDOCKROCK]

It’s $2300 USD… that’s like $3250 CDN new … before tax… after tax, you could buy an MPC, a mixer, a used Virus and still have enough left over for a digitak. Definitely some things that look fun to try, but this is way too rich for my blood and maybe the videos aren’t doing it justice… but it doesn’t seem to sound all that hot.

[@LiamKillen]

It’s bonkers

[@mihaidxn]

Sooo, instead of getting the extremely portable and well thought out tiny black magic rectangle you can get several pieces clunky hardware that you need to connect using a bunch of cables? Got it.

[@LiamKillen]

Just like me, you can purchase whatever you want - ultimately the choice is up to the consumer. This video is just pointing out other much more capable hardware options for the same price :-)

[@Pluto0N]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@LiamKillen]

🍻

[@jackhorror4056]

few people realize that Teenage Engineering, as a small manufacturer from Sweden, has high prices for very high quality components from the manufacturers themselves, which are still increasing. In addition, there is the tax system in Sweden which simply robs them.

[@LiamKillen]

I'm also aware that each piece is custom made which also really increases the price. That being said same goes for OP-1 F which is pretty much the exact same design - but less expensive. It's still overpriced IMO

[@neilk4862]

Deluge leaves this OP-XYoink in the dust

[@LiamKillen]

You’re like the tenth to mention this…gotta check that thing out lol

[@stevel7899]

Thank you for a common sense approach that prevented a very expensive "mistake."

[@bwest6275]

I think it's pretty obvious that you can buy a gang load of synths that can do way more than an OP-XY for the same amount or less. But none of that fits in your bag or large trench coat pocket like the OP series. Price is the price. Take it or leave it. In the case of the OP series, you can easily take it with you. I get that it's expensive AF. But I also think it's pretty sad people project and target their frustrations at those who have the means to buy it - with full intention of making music with it, not just to flex that they own it. This is what I think really makes it hard for me to get on board with a lot of the hate videos that dismiss anyone who buys the more expensive OP products as "hipsters" or people with more money than brains. Just focus on why you hate the product and don't project it as personal attacks.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah I get your point here for sure. If it’s fun and you can afford it- why not buy it? 🤷‍♂️ It looks like I’ll have access to borrow one pretty soon lol - can’t wait to try it out

[@osirismaximus2787]

Fair enough. I don't blame anyone for buying it, but personally, I wouldnt.

[@jonaseggen2230]

My guess is that this piece of gear will end up as desk decoration in the same way as many Leica cameras. Meaning that the price is what makes it attractive for many.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

I play at home so no need for OP-XY

[@jonaseggen2230]

@@GuitarsAndSynths If you have a desk at your work you could put it next to the Leica you have on display

[@Giovanni1a]

I miss the Seqtrak in the overview. Is probably the closed to the OP-XY on the market at the moment.

[@LiamKillen]

I would say that the OP-Z is the closest thing to the OP-XY at this point.

[@corrosiveabuser]

If I were just starting out, instead of being retired, - and had £1899, I'd sooner buy, MPCLive2 = £850 MiniFreak = £450 Mackie CR-1402vlz4 = £400 dbx 166A = £100 secondhand - (just to get some of that tightness, knock and thwack, via that familiar dbx action) - I have many dbx units from 118 units to 160A units, and still the 166A is a personal favourite, - especially regarding drums. The trick to using the cheaper dbx units, is to follow them with a much smoother VCA compressor like an old Drawmer DL241/251 - leaving around £100 for some cables, etc

[@LiamKillen]

All great choices ! :-)

[@digicat247]

New Mac Book Air M3, $1499. Ableton Live 12 suite, $749. Still $51 bucks cheaper than this. I actually love the TE design philosophy and the hand drawn design work they start out with. I wish they would make an ipad app for this...

[@LiamKillen]

Ouu that would be cool!

[@Bigger-Circuitry-Bigger-SOUND]

what about BlackBox that is far more powerful/portable/6 outputs for 1/4 of the price 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@LiamKillen]

I’m not super familiar with black box but you’re right - Polyend tracker mini too is very solid

[@Bigger-Circuitry-Bigger-SOUND]

@ u should test one, a lot of Pro Techno / House performers which u aim prefer BB instead of all other groove boxes, to me BB is the only modern Groovebox that i finish tracks so i sold all the rest. I like this TE how it looks e features compered to OP1 (which sounds awful and sterile) but for no reason in the world it justifies that amount of money no metter how much money i have it is SILLY to gift them to TE. A BlackBox + Akai S900 + Boomstar for the price of this TE and you have more Portability and especially Character in creating unique sounds.

[@peterfarr9591]

That pricepoint is INSANE for a digital synth. Analog I would understand but holy hell. Go get a prophet for that much, LOL

[@LiamKillen]

It’s a good point lol

[@karate9957]

TE enthusiasts will buy it no matter what, not the gear for me though, there are so many cheaper things that are high on my gas list. Thanks for making this video its good to know whats out there.

[@LiamKillen]

Pleasure- I’m currently eyeing the perfourmer

[@davezarzycki]

9:23 Whenever somebody says "it's just marketing" (and often dismissively) what I hear is "I don't understand and I don't want to understand"

[@LiamKillen]

Not sure what you're meaning here but hopefully it's a good thing lol

[@davezarzycki]

@@LiamKillen Let me try and be more helpful/constructive: if you don't feel like you're the target market, then please just say so and why. That's what you're trying to say by saying "it's just marketing" but without the why. You even hint at the "why" when you snark about making music on a plane. To that point, I've never gotten the impression that you make music on your commute or on vacation or after work on the couch. Maybe (just maybe) a lot of your views are that kind of person and they'd appreciate that honesty.

[@dominicdit]

Drum Machine - behringer RD8 (808 clone) ~$300 ARP2600 clone - Behringer 2600 ~$450 Poly Analog Synth - Deep Mind 12 ~$800 sequencer - Beat Step Pro - $250 mixer/Audio interface/recording device - Tascam Model 12 ~$600 all for $2400 and this is if you bought them NEW, you could probably get these used and still have over $500 left

[@LiamKillen]

Yyyup - but also not a fan of Behringer

[@ricknorris1466]

Instead of buying their TX-6 ultra mini micro mixer you could purchase 1010music’s Bluebox, Blackbox and a nice small Audio Interface. The best value from TE is their PO series. Even with their shortcomings they are a complete bang for your buck. I am actually pulling for Behringer to bootleg their stuff.

[@unclemick-synths]

The most important feature is mojo and a lot of that is personal. Having said that, at that price it would need to have a ton of mojo!

[@LiamKillen]

Oh i'm sure it's got mojo !!

[@peterhoulihan3960]

As you said, a large portion of that price is for the brand name-the hype. Every synthfluencer should discuss alternatives to overpriced gear.

[@LiamKillen]

I’ll be trying it out soon!

[@KeithDuncanSound]

Totally appreciate the anti-GAS video. Thank you 🙏

[@LiamKillen]

My pleasure

[@gutsberserker5476]

Looking forward to you buying this Liam we know you have a wee bit of GAS in you like us :D

[@LiamKillen]

I’m gonna borrow it for sure - for sure will not buy at that price.

[@ManCalledMif]

It is beautiful but even Apple saw the writing on the wall releasing Mac mini M4 for £600 EP133 KO2 £300 UBXa £819 UBXaD £699 Arturia V collection 50% off Black Friday Audio interface, mixers, cables, stands, the list of things you should get before the opxy is endless (and that’s ignoring actual life costs)

[@LiamKillen]

Oh yeah it's black friday ! Would have been nice to see them drop the price a bit for that lol

[@magnuseriksson8081]

Why don’t anyone compare with as portable gear like Roland MC101 and others? This is just annoying

[@LiamKillen]

I was considering doing a portable gear comparison but this video takes a few more angles

[@Koopakid917543]

Still haven't upgraded from my original OP-1 and OP-Z and I probably never will. Though I do like the field and think it's kind of work the price, the XY, in my opinion absolutely isn't. I like a lot of TE instruments and would like to own most of them. But the XY doesn't interest me at all

[@LiamKillen]

If you have the op-1 and op-z you practically own the op-xy lol

[@TheAtomicTom]

I don't want to bash the thing because i have not tried it, let alone fully understood what it can do, but at that price I'd rather join the waiting list for a circlon

[@LiamKillen]

I understand your take on this haha

[@anthonybryan9620]

Itvwill sell well The size alone will see people jump on it Linked with the field , it will be pretty much a pocket sized studio

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah with several of their units it's like having a tiny studio - the question is ... is the quality there for the price ? 🤔

[@anthonybryan9620]

@LiamKillen I used to be an Elektron Lover Having owned Machinedrum Monomachine, A4 & Octatrack. They are not cheap , but powerful. I am impressed by the OP XY for the fact that is small and very powerful. You can easily cover a wide range of Electronic music with that 1 pocket sized instrument. And your wife never has to know. My current gear although small will still take up a desktop.

[@InRoB-Music]

I get an akai force, akai mpc live mk1 a uafx max, the unosynth pro x and an allen & heath px5 for the same price as the op-xy.. (~2300.-)🤷🏻‍♂️ thats my whole liveset!😱

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah that's bonkers lol.

[@commodoor6549]

I've spent more on some gear, quite a lot of gear, actually. I'm sure the OP-XY holds some value for some people. I'm just not seeing that the OP-XY is offereing anything new enough to spend this much. But I own the EP-133, the orignial OP-1, and all the pocket operators, so I'm not trashing TE. But the OP-XY isn't doing it for me. If it works for you, get it.

[@LiamKillen]

That’s how I feel about it too right now!

[@Syntek-Alba]

M2 mac mini, studio one pro/Logic pro, serum, akai mini 32, PreSonus quantum sound card and a pair of KRK5’s and still have at least a grand left over for all the Waves SSL stuff you want but don’t need. TE rely on whales who can’t control their inner hipster.

[@LiamKillen]

Lol

[@MarcoPhen]

Perspective: you sell the car and u enjoy playing in the bus with this staff

[@LiamKillen]

😂

[@eamfos]

Pulsar 23 ....for 1.530 euro. Looks like an instrument . Way more interesting . DIAMOND solid machine. Solar 42 ... 1.800 euros. Those are 2 instruments i would work and pay for. Elmyra 2 + Quadrantid Swarm + second hand MS 20 mini......all together !😁

[@LiamKillen]

The deal is real!

[@ventusmoses3428]

Hmmm tbh i would get it if it was at 800 like double the prices of the opz which i would get. But thats just a lil to high especially with the guide having greyed lettering saying some stuff was coming soon. Like bruh 2300 i need that shit now. Plus i know there will be some cons to it tbh. I do have GAS moments but I can proudly say I always wait a few months before I buy anything I like well besides the medieval im a nerd for shit like that 😂 so it was a nice fun thing to add. But other than that nah imma wait and see whats said amd done. You are a gem Liam keep creating and being you 💜

[@LiamKillen]

It’s good idea to wait till the hype wears off- thx and thx for watching!

[@ventusmoses3428]

@LiamKillen truly just gonna enjoy the gear I got and keep jamming. Always will watch man you're a big inspo for me 💪🏿

[@MartinMartin-xm8xs]

I know they're not really in the same category but if I had the $$ to burn I'd probably rather burn it on an MPC x se 🤔🤔🤔

[@LiamKillen]

Prob should have mentioned that one

[@Iggxzy]

Digitone 2 + Syntakt (Used) + SP404 Mk2 (used)

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah … limitless possibility with those!

[@ToddBryantsr]

I haven't found ANYTHING that I can't do with a Maschine MK3 / Maschine Jam combination and some VSTs.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah you’re solid my guy

[@wenzhang3986]

TE is a music equipment cult for certain group of people. Like Hermes. So the price is not TE's problem, it's mine.

[@LiamKillen]

Cult ? Might going a bit far lol

[@keithprice1950]

Do car enthusiasts have these same debates about what you could buy instead of a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? Some things are just more expensive and they're not for everyone.

[@arcticfoxstudios2018]

The Polybrute 12 is a Ferrari. This is more like a Dodge Daytona.

[@LiamKillen]

Yeah but everyone’s got a different “Ferrari” in the synth world lol

[@LiamKillen]

Lol

[@raul0ca]

As someone who can't buy a fancy car and can barely buy a fancy synth I find these discussions entertaining. Daw vs dawless. Roland vs Korg. Sequential vs Moog. Behringer vs everyone else.

[@arcticfoxstudios2018]

@@LiamKillen not saying a Dodge Daytona is bad. My buddy had one a long time ago.

[@jaccoborggreve9285]

Funny story, I am a day one purchaser of the op-xy (coming in on monday). I have had and used the op-1 for about 3 years and this has been my entry into a lot of small synthy stuff. I designed cases for the korg nts series and the pocket operators. The pocket operators made me fall in love with a sequencer workflow. Last week i decided to add both a digitone 2 and a digitakt 2 to my shopping basket to see how it felt and that day the XY came out. I 100% agree with the video and all the comments, probably the Takt combo is a more potent combination of devices, but having used a lot of teenage engineering stuff live, it feels this device is perfectly catered to me. I now plan on selling my original op-1 as I feel, hopefully with the effects on the XY being competent and functional, the sequencer based workflow of the XY, I can start letting go of gear that has now become redundant. I plan on using the multi-use port primarily as an secondary our so i can use external effects per track and plan on using the NTS-3 koass pad as a multi-effect for this purpose. This would mean a full live-setup that can fit in my slingbag, which is something I really really like as a one-bag travel/frequent flyer kind of person. Absolutely no hate for anyone that would prefer to spend their money elsewhere however❤

[@LiamKillen]

You’re set up!! Thanks for your addition here btw 😊

[@jaccoborggreve9285]

​@LiamKillen haha I feel the need to share that I didn't end up buying the takt duo in favor of the OP XY, reading back it makes me sound loaded! Haha. I am a very average earner in the Netherlands but live in a small apartment and don't have any kids!