Libertarian Caller HATES The Minimum Wage

In this Majority Report clip, a libertarian calls in to debate the minimum wage.
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[@therealivydawg]

I graduated highschool, I have no children and I have a full-time job. And I'm in poverty.

[@clayton7757]

Can’t believe it’s a hot take that if you have a full time job you shouldn’t be forced to live in poverty

[@edienandy]

Have you tried just not being in poverty? That’s the super top secret 4th thing.

[@brianmattingly3204]

@@edienandy 😂😂😂😂

[@lebronjackson4680]

@@clayton7757 Conservatives: woah there buddy, that’s sounding very communist to me

[@righteyeblind23666]

@@edienandy homeless? Just get a house lmaooo

[@jonfmcdropout]

So, his argument against the minimum wage is that 'below the poverty line' wages are a useful punishment for "poor choices"? Shitty attitude, dude.

[@haverjr]

So let me understand this what is the ultimate libertarian punishment for bad economic choices? Lets say you did not hit any of those success markers and got married, had kids before 21, and did not graduate highschool. From their you rack up debt to feed and house yourself and your family to the point of needing bankruptcy protections. But in the libertarian perspective you should not be able to declare bankruptcy due to it being a government debt forgiveness program so what would you do with that person to "punish" them debtor's prison? Indentured servitude until debt paid off? Slavery for a set number of years? This is why we have economic laws and regulations outlining how much a minimum wage should be because humans deserve a set amount for their time while working for any company. We also have protections against being punished due to financial failings all of which stop the establishment of a even lower class below poverty level that would be considered a subservient/slave class as was the case in centuries past.

[@Jabberwhorl_Cronstadt]

Libertarian on child labor:"Your frontal cortex isn't fully formed until you're 20, so you can't enter contracts before then." Libertarian on minimum wage: "If you decide to drop out of high school at 16, you deserve to be poor for life."

[@awesomeant9509]

Well what stops me from gaining knowledge and skills to from simply going to the library. We have many talented, successful children. In a libertarian view of the world I don't see why such contract limitations necessarily are made, then again I can't guarantee they aren't.

[@draxthemsklonst]

@@awesomeant9509 Is this a response saying you agree?

[@baby.nay.]

@@awesomeant9509 in a libertarian society there would be no public library … who would pay for it

[@PepsiMaxVanilla]

its the exact opposite. if you don't have experience and/or a degree, companies won't think that you can generate enough value to sustain the minimum wage payments they provide you. let's say you can only make a company 4$ an hour, instead of them giving you a job, giving you experience and letting you start climbing the ladder, you get 0$. as an analogy, imagine you are stuck in a deep hole. minimum wage is like there being a ladder to climb out of the hole but the start of the ladder is 15ft above you. without minimum wage that ladder would have an addon to extend all the way to the bottom and everyone else would still be on the same step as they were before.

[@PepsiMaxVanilla]

@@baby.nay. if people found value in a library they would pay for access. if no-one at all went to the library (aka found value in it), the government would be wasting it's money keeping it open.

[@princemononoke2477]

Josh thinks over 50% of the country just "made bad money decisions" that's fucking deranged

[@07Flash11MRC]

It's also proves that mainstream media brainwashing and propaganda work.

[@sissiroxie]

it is true most people be trying to express others

[@MrMiddleWick]

​@@sissiroxie self expression is very important, we are all unique individuals and it's harmful to deny it

[@MassimoMD]

This study he’s referencing has been UPDATED, and says “hey we didn’t account for racial and gender based biases, and family wealth, our study has been misrepresented by the right”

[@MassimoMD]

Realize now that they addresses that in the last minute of the call

[@theweekndxo7438]

i love how he quoted a study ben shapiro uses lmao, of course he does. ben shapiro is the most grifty piece of shit who blatantly misuses statistics and studies because people can’t fact check him on the spot

[@mtlewis973]

pikachu face

[@Haydefaid]

Which like... why the hell didn't they account for that? That is like step 1 for sociological studies...

[@thatsme05]

The caller says, a person's brain is not developed until their early 20s so they can't work because they can't make decisions. Then judges people by three decisions they make before their early twenties

[@pyrel]

Lmfao

[@frankmcgovern5445]

“Cry me a river about people stuck in grinding poverty.” “You’re misunderstanding me, I’m sympathetic to people in poverty.” They’re just so goddamn dumb and convinced that they’re geniuses.

[@d3l3tes00n]

"You're appealing to emotion!" Um.. yes.. its called empathy & you have none. Pity is all he has.

[@dongunderson9352]

I think your last sentence applies to you more than to anyone else.

[@trickstergod9179]

@@dongunderson9352 Stay salty, ancap dipsh!t, lol.

[@skewedsound]

"Before you're an adult, your pre-frontal cortex is still developing. You can't make informed rational decisions at that point..." "If you made poor choices pre-21, such as having children or not graduating from high school, you should be held accountable for those choices and not be paid enough to survive" The cognitive dissonance is staggering...

[@acspore]

skewedsound you nailed it, great point

[@colconn57]

Sorry to hijack your post.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Sam should pin your comment. This is the most important lesson from this conversation.

[@queenfae2182]

Not to mention, it's probably still perfectly fine in this guys mind if you sign a contract for student loans that you don't fully understand that you can never get out from under.

[@lcee4251]

It’s cognitive ignorance, he can’t even see the double standard/contradiction

[@chumplafayette9561]

Poverty is not a test of character. It's just poverty. You know what you get for surviving a day in poverty? Another one. And then another one. Nobody's watching you from Money Heaven tallying up your hard work to make sure you're rewarded someday.

[@Derpy-qg9hn]

If anything, the people in money-heaven are looking at how desperate you are to get the absolute most they can out of ya.

[@chumplafayette9561]

@@Derpy-qg9hn right!!

[@stephenreis1823]

its particularly baffling logic. If poverty were a test of character does that mean the rich lack characther?

[@CalebGooch23]

Under capitalism, you can’t gain unless you have something to give. And you ALWAYS have something to give. There’s not excuse at all for somebody that decided in their head they will not attempt to give anything but the minimum

[@chumplafayette9561]

@@CalebGooch23 poverty only exists because of capitalism.

[@paulrodrigues1994]

Libertarian: People and businesses are rational actors in the economy. Also Libertarian: "They made bad decisions with their money"

[@kboyd268]

I graduated with my bachelor's in biochemistry, have no children, not married, and got my first career job with my degree in 2019 making 15$ an hour in the Chicagoland area . So without even getting into deeper, already your logic is flawed. It's about how much it costs to survive and how much your productivity is worth. Your work shouldn't make corporations billions of dollars while their workers are not being paid enough to survive.

[@mostly-harmless]

omfg rolling when he said "Ben Shapiro cites it" ... "WELL IN THAT CASE" LOL

[@hamd52]

Libertarians are so cute when they're little. When they get older and don't grow out of it though, it's just sad.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Agreed. I never tried to get all political when I was a lad. Too busy having fun being a kid playing games all day without major responsibilities. Thank god too because at that age, you're going to be leaving a lot of stuff out lol. This dude sounds like he's in his 20s or maybe 30s. Oh boy...

[@TheStan4th]

As the old joke goes; "What do you want to be when you grow up, son?" - "A Libertarian". "Sorry, you can't do both".

[@alexkehoepwj]

It sounds like a great idea before you think about it

[@septima1789]

Lmao he literally quoted Ben Shapiro's PragerU video.

[@grmpEqweer]

PropagandaU

[@fatlacesthedon]

I knew it as soon as he said "these set of rules" lmfao this guy is a laugh riot

[@lonniedobbins778]

What Candace And Kanye Also Quotes When They Speak Negative Of The Black Population. *The Most Illiterate, Illogical, Stupid, Dumb, Moronic, Lunatic, Fanatical Bullshit Ever Published(presented to the public). I Would Like To Force Prager To Live Under The Conditions He Finds Acceptable For Black People And All Others That Agree With Him. *Stupid Illiterate Satan Worshippers Claims Murder Isn't Wrong If You're Not A Member Of Their Religion*? (Worship Of A Man As A God On Earth)(ALL KINGS, QUEENS, ROYALTY CLAIMS A GOD APPOINTED THEIR FAMILY TO RULE OVER OTHERS! SOME CLAIMING TO BE DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF GOD!)*EUROPEANS*! Prager believe white people should be slave masters of others. *His Videos Supporting The Enslavement Of Black People And The Other Illiterate Stupid Racist Concepts He Has Of Black People Was Removed*. One That Created The Stupid Statement That Black People Was HAPPY TO BE SLAVES! *That Black People Had Complete Families While Enslaved, (people sold with no reguard if they're member of a family!), Never Saying A Word Of Their SADISTIC INHUMAN ASSAULTS, RAPE, TORTURE, BEATINGS, ANY AND ALL FORMS OF WEAPONS AND INSTRUMENTS OF TORTURE USED AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE. Prager Like So Many Others Was Working Hard To Convince White People That *The Black Population Must Be Eliminated.* "FREEDOM" Is What They Named Their OPERATIONS. TRUMP CHOSEN AS THE FALLGUY TO BLAME WHEN THEIR PLANS OF OVERTHROWING THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND COMMITTING HUEMAN GENOCIDE FAILS. Remember all the lies of a White Genocide? *They Always Blame Others For What They're Doing Or Plan To Do.* These fools really thought they was going to have their RACE WAR to eliminate the black population. Remember RACE WAR promoted, Spoken Of, Lies That Black People Was Planning Such Operations, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, FOX News And All Of Their Host, Many White Conservative Politicians All Promoted RACE WAR. The *Government Shutdowns Was Planned To Force Black People To Riot.* Thought Not Providing Welfare Payments Would Make Black People RIOT. *How Is It None Of You Can See THE CRIMES These People Are Committing?* THESE ARE CRIMES! PLANNING THE MURDER OF THE BLACK POPULATION AND CALLING IT FREEDOM. *Google "The Freedom Caucus"* *Legal FOR WHITE PEOPLE to declare war against the country and commit genocide?*

[@vojtasks]

@@lonniedobbins778 what the hell are you talking about? :-D where did you take these nonsense from? :-D you think that pragerU defends slavery and does not mention how terrible this institution was? :-D

[@weirdo82]

@@vojtasks I don't know what this other guy said, but PragerU has made several videos contextualizing slavery as a necessary good. They made a video defending Lee, in that video they paint John Brown in a negative light because he led a *slave rebellion,* they've made video after video comparing democratic principles both *negatively, AND comparing it to slavery,* they laughably made Frederick Douglass act like the fact that slavery kept going around 100 years AFTER we made the Constitution *was a good thing.* They made a video that boils down to "other countries did slavery too, and we stopped it first(which we didn't)!". Wait, you're subscribed to Vaush?! He's done videos reacting to PragerU. You should know all this!

[@DRChupacabrah]

when he said "Ben Shapiro cites it" ... I said "oh in that case" same time as Sam lol

[@davidwalters9462]

As Chris Rock noted, when the boss pays you the minimum wage, he is telling you that he would pay you LESS if it were not for the law guaranteeing you that wage.

[@psy.mp3]

truuue

[@Squiggles216]

His “study” about the 3 things to do to be successful was literally from a Ben Shapiro Prager U video 🤦‍♀️

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Hilarious 🤣 *cue NPC meme*

[@edienandy]

Sweet baby Satan that’s bad

[@Scriptorsilentum]

i wouldn't say it'll make you successful but it can sure help you get a better start. that said, it's awful all the way around. business is whipping govt (that they own - face it, business bought and paid for the fuckers...) to ensure people cannot get ahead no matter what they do. try finding pensions. open a 401k, roth ira's, savings accounts. you get as little as they can get away with... bastards.

[@borislavarnaudov475]

That dude really just tried to pass off a Ben Shapiro quote as a whole study...

[@HeadRedShot]

his quote is based on a study to be fair. fun fact: later they found out that this is more effective for a white person

[@KILLA_BEA_ARTHUR_O.D.C.R]

Bruh not just quote his whole argument

[@garrensparks4492]

@@KILLA_BEA_ARTHUR_O.D.C.R 999)??9>>>>*?.. zj Mmmmmll oil J N O

[@rjbonacolta]

@@HeadRedShot libertarians are the worst

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

It is based on a study but it is worth noting that the authors of the study were pissed at how their data was being used, and clarified that these factors indicate a life already well lived, as in, these factors are not decisions but a privilege and the privileged people who get those privileges go on to get more privileges

[@alexg60]

So he thinks that child labor laws are a good thing because children can't make informed decisions, but also believes that failing high school is a decision that you should be held responsible for 🤔

[@d3l3tes00n]

I love people who believe that you must have made bad decisions if you're poor.

[@edienandy]

Tbf have I haven’t given not being poor the old college try. Maybe I have made bad decisions 🧐

[@atraxisdarkstar]

I always say to truly achieve success in life, you need means, motive and opportunity. Some people can get by with only two, but you're in for a real hard time if you only have one.

[@acreativename2781]

Even if you did, you dont deserve to suffer lmao, psychopaths

[@draxthemsklonst]

@nickandres7829 Skill, effort, and luck.

[@xxelaxela333]

My wife dropped out of high school to provide full time end of life care for her dying mother. She was working two minimum wage part time jobs. I hate this caller

[@IMatchoNation]

She clearly made poor life decisions. Doesn't she know facts don't care about her dying mother? Seems like a "her" problem to me. /s

[@gartner101]

My son just moved to a city 100 miles away to take up a job. He doesn't get paid till the end of the month. In the meantime he has to find an apartment deposit, a month's rent, clothes for the job, travel and food. Guess what I've had to front him the month. Without his family he wouldn't be able to do it.

[@jamesnelson7731]

This guy is a cynic. He also lacks empathy, and has a very narrow view of the way the world works.

[@ilikeme1234]

James Nelson you could just say libertarian.

[@jamesnelson7731]

@@ilikeme1234 ---- But if you listen to the guy, he forsnt know what he is. He believed in some libertarian ideas but not all of them. He was confusing to himself.

[@jamesguilford6807]

@Proud violent Libtard ; Are you saying that I do not have a Right to have control over you and or your life even if I am willing to work hard to do so ?! Wow dude, that is another really novel idea !

[@CalebGooch23]

@@jamesguilford6807 I’m so confused lol. Libertarians don’t want to control anything. You might want to read history and see which side has done the most controlling LOL

[@jamesguilford6807]

@@CalebGooch23 ; Which period of history would you recommend I read about; the period of history when the term Libertarian referred to persons who were staunchly anti-capitalist, or the period of history when many staunch supporters of unregulated capitalism began to refer to themselves as Libertarians ? I would argue that the advocates of unregulated capitalism are certainly interested in allowing Capitalists, ''and particularly the most wealthy of capitalists'', a great deal of control. Throughout the history of humanity, we see that wealthy peoples, ''and particularly wealthy peoples who have claimed to have supernatural authority backing them,'' have more often than not, controlled the masses. Needless to say, many of these wealthy peoples have controlled the masses both directly and indirectly via governments; governments that is that the same wealthy people controlled, either directly or indirectly.

[@tc2882]

I have a college education. I have worked full-time jobs for over 3 decades. I did not have children prior to getting married. My best job was outsourced to Asia. Due to widespread outsourcing, the entire industry shrank dramatically in the U.S. My skills were not transferable to another industry. I have physical limitations that prevent me from many higher-paying manual labor jobs, like plumbing or masonry or vehicle maintenance technician. Please, Mr. Libertarian, explain exactly what bad decisions I made that I should be punished to live in poverty?

[@mrmakiman]

"Well this sounds like it's all your fault still, for reasons that I can't get into detail now because I need to pick up my girlfriend from the girl scouts."

[@abacus892]

@@mrmakiman dead 😂

[@PR--un4ub]

"Just move, dude."

[@Scriptorsilentum]

one bad decision murricans as a whole have made is tuning out from their politics. starting with ronnie raygun all the way here people have consistently voted in lowlifes that have permitted the economic raping of the country. Every. Single. Election. County, state, fed.

[@bunyipz2040]

How is it a personal responsibility to have a good childhood?

[@Jeffreyketcham]

You need to make good individual choices when you’re a teenager and graduate and not have kids. But wait, he just said that people under 20 are incapable of making informed rationale decisions right? So by his logic, how can they be held responsible for the actions they made under the age of 20?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Libertariansism in a nutshell: Income tax? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Paying $65 to travel the private toll road at the end of my driveway? Freedom.

[@al5306]

These people know that we need food industry workers; sanitation workers; maintenance workers; etc. Without them, we're screwed. They know how necessary they are, but at the same time, they don't feel they deserve to be paid a living wage to do their jobs. All they want to do is look down on the working class to feel better about themselves.

[@tc2882]

They don't want teachers, nurses or home health aides to be paid either.

[@adorabell4253]

It’s that thing where they say that flipping burgers is a part-time job for students but still expect these places to be open during school hours.

[@atraxisdarkstar]

@@adorabell4253 Sam Debated some other libertarian, Peter something (not Thiel) who seemed incredulous at the notion someone might be working a fast food job into their forties, and seemed to think any kid mowing laws, even if they were only making 2 cents an hour, could get so good at mowing lawns that they'd be able to set their own wages. Guy was a total lunatic.

[@wvu05]

They want a permanent underclass, but they want to pretend that they don't. Either they are lying or are too stupid to understand that they are espousing the Anyone Can So Everyone Can Fallacy. Even if the first part of that is true (and that's a big if), the second is definitely not.

[@PeterHamiltonz]

"I'm not a scientist" Clearly. "...prefontal cortex development...something like 20..." Well a "scientist" will tell you it's 25, so guess what kids...No contracts of any sort before you're 25!

[@Mcree114]

Better break the bad news to the Military Industrial Complex.

[@nosuchthing8]

So a woman is forced into the workforce because her husband leaves her, and this caller blames her for her husband s behaviour when she can't pay the bills? Odd logic there.

[@eluadyl]

I mean, of course. Had she been a better judge of character and not married the sonofabitch in the first place... Do I need a sarcasm indicator?

[@AiiCii]

Stefan Molyneux is banging my door screaming about women choosing assholes

[@seanh7585]

Forced to work because her husband left her? Are you 80 years old or just referring to trophy wives?

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

The caller forgets about greed and lack of concern for many workers. Minimum wage resists against exploitation.. All types of workers are needed. All should be respected for contributing. Living wage equals respect

[@shawnsheffield4766]

He's not forgetting anything. He knows these things and gave many examples of how he doesn't care about the workers. Libertarians do subscribe to that whole 'Objectivism' nonsense after all. There's also another name for it though, sociopathy.

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

Sam being Sam in the best way possible. He is the.boss for good reason!

[@jwomackandcheese73]

I was born to a single parent, graduated high school, went to college have a two bachlors degrees, I am not married, don't have kids. I make almost $18/hr in mental healthcare non profit, I work full time, and mostly due to my student debt and credit card debt as a result of going to college I barley scrape by. This dude has no idea what he is talking about. He had to say Sam was strawmaning because it is a valid point. Saying people made bad decisions is based entirely on individual life experience. My job is in healthcare so I don't think he could make the argument my job is pointless. I'm guessing he would say "Well you were too poor to go to college so you shouldn't have gone." Despicable. He's basically saying if you aren't whatever version of perfection is in his head you don't deserve to make a decent wage.

[@donaldryan4876]

Libertarian logic: "You're not helping people by helping people."

[@DaFunkz]

And "you're helping people by not helping people".

[@chocolatemilkshake4299]

"Yeah I'm gonna have to cut my employee's wage...I just found out his kid was born out of wedlock"

[@thricefan89]

Libertarians have never read Grapes of Wrath It seems like they haven't read anything from or about the great depression and earlier when deregulation was the worst thing for society

[@baddie1shoe]

I miss Michael.

[@gustavoa.belfiore4701]

US Libertarianism is the political equivalent of teenagers yelling "NO DAD, I DO WHATEVER I WANT!!!!!!!!"

[@gustavoa.belfiore4701]

@@BarryMaple You're right. You changed my mind completely. Thank you very much.

[@inquisitorichijou883]

"Ben Shapiro cites it" is really a sign for a Quality study.

[@gimphandjeff]

If you have a small business and can't pay your employees decent money, you shouldn't have a business.

[@blankname6629]

Jeffery Tucker especially when you consider the minimum wage is at a level it should have been in the 70s. I believe the stat I read said that if minimum wage kept up with the cost of living the minimum wage would be over 20 dollars. The way I see it they have been giving workers slave wages

[@LinkRocks]

@@blankname6629 Yes. $15/hr is too low, but it's a nice start.

[@beeyaybaracas3240]

🎯

[@lavia5521]

@@blankname6629 If the minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would be 22, if it kept up with productivity, it would be over 30.

[@seanh7585]

The biggest corporations in the world are federally subsidized, how about start giving Dow and Amazon subsidies to small businesses instead?

[@hoopoverthehill]

This is perfect example of someone who never met or spoke to a poor person or someone of working-class status.

[@danirabinowitz5049]

Faster way to shut this question down (I'm only like 3 minutes in, so they might've said this after this point): When a company pays below the living wage, their employees rely on welfare and other social services. Why should I, as a taxpayer, subsidize a company's decision to pay their employees under a living wage?

[@danirabinowitz5049]

@Alexandre Gareau Haha probably. Then I'd probably bring up examples of gigantic corporations that would crumble if they didn't get subsidies from the government, shattering their perception of the glorious free market. If that'd even work. Libertarians, huh?

[@andrewmildenberg4210]

Daniel Rabinowitz Good point. We already have the perfect example of how exploitative that is via Walmart. One of the largest corporations in our nation, yet they pay their employees so little they need to rely on food stamps to make ends meet. WE the taxpayer end up footing the bill for a company that makes BILLIONS a year that could very well pay their employees more and help out EVERYONE by eliminating those social welfare needs.

[@danirabinowitz5049]

@@andrewmildenberg4210 gets worse when you factor in wage theft.

[@andrewmildenberg4210]

Daniel Rabinowitz True, that corporation in particular (as well as Amazon) loves to get their employees from both sides. Wage theft and starvation wages.

[@jakelaurent6]

A perfect Libertarian world: Polluted Rivers, No Public Schools, No Roads, No taxes on corporations and 5-year-olds doing cocaine if they want.

[@grmpEqweer]

The 5 year olds will need the coke to keep them on their 12 hour shifts!

[@RiotKurhein]

There would be roads, just they would all be tolled at varied prices and have varied maintenance depending on the affluence of the region they go through.

[@nosuchthing8]

Where libertarians live they think they don't need roads

[@keybadejedi70]

Sounds like a 3rd world country

[@Erik-ri1mc]

"Sam, don't use strawmen. I listen to Ben Shapiro, pal."

[@SquarelyGames]

"You are arguing with EMOTIONS"

[@jvondd]

Okay. I graduated high school. I even graduated from college with two degrees. I've worked several full-time jobs with benefits. I didn't have any children until after I got married. I still live below the poverty line. Did I do something wrong, or is this criteria just a bunch of bullshit to help pretend that economic oppression is nothing more than a personal failure?

[@Crown42]

What are the degrees that you graduated with? That will explain why you are not financially stable. I went to college and graduated with a master's in computer science and I make good money. I started off working in blue-collar work and hated it. It just wasn't worth it at all... That industry consists of low pay, long hours, toxic people, and unsafe conditions. Lol, let those rednecks, and immigrants have it. 😂

[@Sam-vq1qf]

@@Crown42what? You can hardly read my friend. Who cares what the degrees are? They should be able to make a wage high enough to support them. Not everyone, hate to break it to you, is you

[@Crown42]

@@Sam-vq1qf I agree that people should make a decent amount of money to survive but you also have to be realistic with yourself. If you are going to college for something that is not going to make you a good return on your investment then you should reconsider going to college. As I said in my previous comment I worked in blue-collar jobs before and I hated it. The reasons why I left were because of the low pay, low benefits, long work hours, and most importantly the toxic environment that you are in I told myself that I'm better than this. I'm not knocking people who work in those fields but I just know that it's not for me. That's why I went back to school and chose computer science because I knew that going to college only makes sense if it's a good return if investment. I love my job it's remote, it has good pay, and I like my job. Again, I wasn't trying to be rude but people need to be realistic with themselves.

[@Sam-vq1qf]

@@Crown42 you can tell you’re brain isn’t very good

[@baby.nay.]

@@Crown42oh honey , how elitist and unamerican your comment is…

[@BewarethePurpleOne]

Libertarianism happens when people make political decisions based purely on how much of their parents money they get to keep.

[@dalaidolly5017]

$30K a year lets you live in your CAR in Malibu. Good GOD, this guy hasn't connected his two brain cells.

[@jonl1319]

Exactly what I was thinking lol

[@CogniVision]

This guy is all about those right-wing talking points.

[@maeror1022]

A $15 minimum wage is begging for scraps. If you adjust the minimum wage with inflation it should be $25 an hour or even more

[@Scriptorsilentum]

agreed. however, business will screech about how the buying public will have to shoulder the increased costs for products/services. the sensible thing to do would be to tell the sacred and beatified SHAREHOLDERS the following: " hey assholes, you'll get something around dividend time it just won't be as much cuz we gotta pay our drones enough they can eat and live in permanent dwellings rather than charity shelters and tent cities on sidewalks". and the coc75uc7ers will never do that.

[@antoninuslarpus7107]

​@@ScriptorsilentumEvery single word of what you said was beautiful.

[@JayJay-xf2jf]

*"It's a pretty popular paper, Ben Shapiro cites it"* FFS, I can't take this dude seriously. Who on earth would put stock in something hasBeen Shapiro cites?

[@sullensunx1]

I've noticed that the majority of Libertarians that speak publicly Tend to have been born in the part of the middle class that got there through generational wealth and systemic support. Never have I heard them site the history of Minimum wage being instituted due to business paying their worker the smallest wages possible to keep them from quitting. In this model there were people working 50 hours a week and still living in abject poverty. FDR instituted minimum wage in order to reduce homelessness, crime and starvation from the great depression. When I hear libertarians like this guy only seeing the business owners POV and willfully ignoring historical and economic context.

[@Ava-pq6om]

The title says he's a libertarian, and yet he doesn't think children are their parents' property; you should've asked him what his stance on age of consent laws is to make sure.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

So to get this guy straight, If you are on minimum wages you've made bad decisions, but If you own a business and mismanaged it to a point where you can't afford to pay your workers it's an injustice that they should pay the workers for there labour.

[@pipopipo6477]

Pretty sure there are almost no libertarians that are born poor. All those guys are at least from a middle class family or from a family that helped them to get to college.....

[@aoescool]

all the ones I have met are from middle class to upper middle class.. grew up in Westchester ny

[@grmpEqweer]

Yes, they do judge the poor as morally inferior. Very obviously. A lot of people do, it's moral justification for making them suffer. It's scapegoating.

[@bobdobbz9334]

Exactly.

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

why should a poor innocent government subsidize an individual’s ‘poor, bad, decisions?’ when that same poor, innocent government can subsidize Boeing’s incredibly dangerous and yet money-saving bad decisions...?!

[@sly13]

Caller: "people will make good rational choices" Calls into the Majority Report and gets destroyed....was that a good rational choice?

[@Chrisg841]

These libertarians dudes always seem to be born into privilege.

[@a-ny9647]

Didn't you know about the 3 step program of libertians? 1. Be born white. 2. Don't be born into poverty. 3. Don't get married before 21, instead jerk off to capitalism. Anyone can be a libertarian this way.

[@CalebGooch23]

@@a-ny9647 not gonna lie....that statement was alittle racist lol

[@a-ny9647]

@@CalebGooch23 ...it's sarcasm...? I am quite obviously making broad generalizations. Believe it or not, I don't ACTUALLY think you have to jerk off to capitalism to be a libertain, either. Not gonna lie, you might be a little too sensitive. And if you're gonna call me out on something like racism, I'm not sure why you'd say LOL afterwards.

[@CalebGooch23]

@@a-ny9647 cuz it was a joke satirizing the overuse of the word racist…….

[@CalebGooch23]

@@a-ny9647 and actually it was racist. I know minorities that are outspoken libertarians because they Watched their local governments promise change in their communities for 30-40 years and those communities are worse now. My favorite people are those that say fuck the government and do shit on their own. So that’s why I’m a libertarian. I hate republicans and I hate democrats.

[@conhuevos8927]

I can't imagine having the thought process this caller has and look in the mirror each day with confidence.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

"You're not helping people by giving them enough money to live on." This guy.

[@crawdaddy2004]

If someone didn’t graduate high school, isn’t that a decision they made before their frontal cortex developed.

[@JayJay-xf2jf]

@N Silva Facts! Some teens have to work fulltime if they want to eat, wash with soap, brush their teeth and wear shoes that fit. Josh considers these things to be "bad decisions" evidently.

[@RUSE321]

Yup, the neural networks in our brains are highly susceptible until about age 25.

[@bludragon34]

I gotta admit, when I see a majority report video with libertarian in the title I get a little excited.

[@scotthall5405]

"you cant afford to live in malibu on $7.50" "people should just save money to move"

[@hueyfreeman4366]

Scott Hall and then the minimum wage in Malibu will, for some reason, rise...... completely circular....

[@troyareyes]

Christ I can smell the high and tight haircut through the phone. I cant believe I used to think like this.

[@scottgrohs5940]

Solidarity, brother. I used to think like that, too. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago and the second best time is now.

[@FoolOfATuque]

I used to be a manager at an auto parts store and one of the kids working across the street at Popeye's couldn't afford a bottle of anti-freeze. I gave him a bottle of anti-freeze until payday so he could drive to work. This argument is just an argument born from people who have never seen retail workers struggling to pay their bills on minimum wage. They just see the smile on the workers face and assume it is genuine.

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

low skill jobs hardly offer full time anymore. every libertarian point is outdated and easily disprovable.

[@stevesavage4247]

What's the bet this guys still getting an allowance from his parents that is higher than the min wage

[@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN]

Hey uuhhh, i'm 25 years old and my parents still pay for everything for me, and i just dont get why we need a minimum wage. I mean aahhh, they made a bad choice by not choosing a more fortunate birth, i mean uuhhh

[@bradhollmann5316]

I graduated high school, no children and have a job. Still broke as fuck.

[@Kevin-fn5tk]

So wait a second why : Italy , Denmark , Iceland, Finland, Liechtenstein etc ... DON'T have minimum wage and somehow they are extremely rich countries and people have very good wages. OOOOOHHH right we are just going to ignore this and say slavery will come back people will not refuse the job for 1$ the hour

[@bolshevikrasta1027]

@@Kevin-fn5tk bro do you live in europe by any chance?

[@matthewheywood8532]

Nice Dude because the have strict government rules on pay and vacations

[@originoflogos]

Well, I’ve graduated High School. I don’t have a child (plus, I’m not married). And I have a job. As a bonus, I’m a college graduate! And my mom still needs to help me out financially! I’m totally a success story!

[@theredviper9842]

I'm the same way but still in college

[@thebrutusmars]

“There’s no ABC steps for starting a successful business but there are ABC steps for getting out of poverty.” I don’t think that’s how that works.

[@IcemanJuice]

Libertarianism- the right for the rich to do whatever they want with rights of the poor.

[@thatringinginyourears3955]

caller: ben shapiro supports it everyone in the studio: *uproarious laughter*

[@eiyukabe]

"Cry me a river" Jesus Christ, Libertarianism is formalized sociopathy.

[@MrCadenita07]

2 years of college, married at 30, no kids, full time job and scraping by

[@ErroneousMonk1]

Then you're a slacker. 2 years of college, no degree, ten years in the Air Force, a few kids, full time job, divorced and remarried, doing just fine. Get a better job.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@ErroneousMonk1 Great strategy: "join the military".

[@ErroneousMonk1]

@@PR--un4ub Actually, the strategy is “get a better job”. The military is just one way to do that when you have no self-motivation or discipline. But really, if you’re gonna go on KZbin and complain about “scraping by” you’re probably not really looking for a way to improve your position in life. You’re looking for a handout, which is what the minimum wage is.

[@DivineVTDragon]

"Ben Shapiro cites it," so... it's pretty much cherry picked Trash then? I remember he cited on a PragerU video as well, so it's double trash.

[@Sjoerd1993]

Fun fact, Sweden does not have a minimum wage. You heard that right, it doesn’t exist in Sweden. It’s not like the libertarians imagine though, it’s heavily regulated anyway. Wages are bound to collective labour agreements, which are negotiated by unions. The collective labour agreements are binding and have to be followed by every employer in the branch. So that effective minimum wage differs per sector, but it’s not federally fixed. This also only works because the unions have so much more power in Sweden than in the US.

[@cnking27]

Because Sweden has democracy, because Sweden never made the choice to use the national debt to subsidize corporations to create a dominant class.

[@aviatortrevor]

Just move to Texas! Just rent an expensive moving Truck and pay a few hundred bucks to move to Texas! And then get an apartment with poor credit and no money for a deposit! And immediately be capable of getting a job on day 1 in Texas! /s Sam is right - it's a fantasy, and the consequences are "let the weak wither".

[@RevolutionaryThinking]

aviatortrevor Bunch if god damn idiots!

[@originaljazzkatt]

If you own a business and claim you can't afford to pay your workers a livable wage, then you don't get to have a business.

[@wyett123]

They can keep their business...they just won't have workers.

[@dalaidolly5017]

Problem is....you can work 40hrs per week at McDonald's, any retail store, or at a some State Agencies, even as a SUBSTITUTE TEACHER and make less than $20K per year! All of those things require at least a GED! Sometimes more. You can't live by yourself ANYWHERE on that. Trust me, I've done it.

[@Scriptorsilentum]

i was pulling in -give or take - $45k a year and for the better part of three years (michigan winters x 3) the home i could afford was the back of a ford ranger with a leaky, uninsulated, unlined, ill-fitting fibreglass cap. i live in a dump now but at least it has running water (kinda), some heat in winter (if I shut down the bedroom for the winter), and a roof that doesn't leak. livin the dream... 😒

[@Notoproject2025]

What is a libertarian? I used to think it was a conservative who liked to get high. I've evolved from that belief. A libertarian is simply a grown up who never grew out of their rebellious stage. They'd talk back to mom and dad saying YOU AREN'T THE BOSS OF ME. They've simply replaced mom and dad with society and government.

[@frechjo]

Hey, real libertarians (the original flavor, left libertarians) are the real rebels (and there's nothing wrong with that). These guys just think they'll become rich and step on other people's heads without a state to stop them. Their fantasy is not to have no bosses, it's to BE the boss, and you can see it in how they defend obscenely rich people's right to accumulate wealth.

[@michaelhazellful]

@@Etaoinshrdlu69 I'd argue any of the political parties have an authoritarian complex. They feel they need to be compelled by a public or private area. It's just choosing your authoritarian area.

[@purgatoriprytania5382]

"People should have to work for the privilege to starve!" Also, the arrogance of this guy who thinks those three things are 'decisions' for everyone.

[@Krebssssssss]

As the classic saying goes, libertarians are like house cats. They think they’re fierce, totally independent beings with no comprehension of the world around them, how it came to be, or appreciation for it. This guy started on second base and says, “well, look at me. If I can do it, anyone can”, as he’s watching someone at home plate who’s never played baseball getting pitched 100mph fastballs and sliders from Nolan Ryan. I’m from Utah. Sadly, this is how 60% of the people are in that state.

[@bananaz572171]

This is a great way to put it.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

They are so myopic and childish. The furthest thing from holistic thinkers. They think every positive thing in their life is the result of their own actions alone and completely disregard the plethora of advantages and privileges provided to them by other people (their parents included) to make all of their success possible. They also treat "personal choice" like it's some magical primary cause that transcends causality and everything starts at it, forgetting that the choices we make are inextricably tied to our genes, upbringing and environment, the greatest portion of which we have absolutely no control over. It reminds me of an older debate Destiny had with Sargon of Akkad about poverty in the black community. They were discussing the causes so Sargon acknowledges that poverty is partially caused by having children out of wedlock, at which point Destiny asks why black people are having children out of wedlock at a disproportionately high rate and Sargon's answer was "because they choose to" and to him this is where the discussion stops. It's like the libertarian version of "God did it." It's all the same with these delusional people.

[@Two_Ravens]

I love this callers logic that someone who is already poor has the resources to relocate to a complete different state with a better job.

[@GraveyardVidya]

"Pfft, why don't they just buy more money?"

[@jw-k5663]

'Buying a new house and moving is just another type of consensual relationship, hurrr durrrr'

[@Seattle-2017]

When the female co-host brought up the reality of trying to live on min. wage in Texas, the caller-in started to claim 1 bedroom apartments go for $600-700 per month there. If you assume that's true (a stretch), that leaves a maximum $550 for the rest of that person's monthly expenses (bills, car/transportation expenses, food, clothing, etc.). Good luck on "making good decisions" and saving money on that.

[@jw-k5663]

@@Seattle-2017 Jamie is amazing. Her politics are very similar to my own and every time she adds some input from the REAL left, I love it.

[@ahouyearno]

Just turn it around. Why should workers subsidize the bad decisions of employers, namely their inability to pay a decent wage?

[@ashleecantu6470]

Exactly. We subsidize the bad decisions of businesses in countless ways. They refuse to pay their employees a living wage or provide healthcare, so we all pay for EBT, Medicare, etc. They take loans they can't pay back. They can just file bankruptcy. Students who take loans can never declare bankruptcy. They do ridiculous, immoral things and crash the markets, the government bails them out with our taxes. The notion that employees are forcing the employer to pay for their bad decisions is ABSURD.

[@toby9364]

RIP Michael

[@hadleytorres8171]

This is a very normal way of thinking in Utah. I was born and raised here, as an atheist, and I've known more people who think this way than I can count. Your taught by the church and society to praise business owners, since they took a risk and worked super hard to get where the are, and we should be greatful that they did so and that we even have a job.

[@aegontargaryen219]

Josh has never had a bill his parents didn’t pay for him

[@grmpEqweer]

Libertarians have never read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle."

[@3ld919]

Instead they read way too much Ayn Rand.

[@alonsoarana5307]

@@3ld919 and then forget that the leech died hypocritically with government benefits

[@thistle14091]

@@BarryMaple , why?

[@thistle14091]

I'm not trying to be edgy, I'm honestly curious.

[@thistle14091]

@@BarryMaple , why are you a libertarian?

[@RigelOrionBeta]

He mentions that he can find a 1 BR apt in Texas for 600 dollars. A minimum wage full time job gives you 1.2k dollars a month. That's 1k after federal taxes. That's more than HALF of your money on rent! How is that affordable? People recommend a third of your AFTER tax income on rent! What are you left with after that? Still need to pay for food, transportation, healthcare and rent/health/dental/car insurance, electricity, water, HVAC, maybe car payments. You'd be *incredibly* lucky if you could save 100 bucks a month. You'd almost certainly have to forgo spending anything on entertainment, hobbies, travel or anything not dedicated to sustenance. These people truly are living in a fantasy land.

[@devonallie]

if you live in Texas, you're DEFINITELY gone need a car.

[@Jcrof]

In that situation you couldn’t even qualify for the apartment because renters ask that you make two to three times the rent in order to rent there.

[@biskitboi2476]

This guy's point is literally 'fuck poor people'.

[@tenkenroo]

That’s libertarians in a nutshell

[@corynewton3865]

I love the whole argument that businesses will pay higher wages without the federal minimum wage laws. Where I work there are help wanted signs in every single fast food business in town. Yet, despite obviously needing workers, none of them have raised their wages. Huh, what a weird coincidence.

[@GubekochiGoury]

Or they'll just grind through people like so many unpaid interns. You'll always be working for more experience so you can eventually get a paying job. That is a system that would work too.

[@rldubya82]

Anywhere with $600 apartments doesn't have enough jobs available to support everyone who would need to make his imaginary move.

[@harryballsak1123]

In most places if you live in a $600 apartment you live in old run down rodent and bug infested place in a sketchy area. In the few areas where $600 get you a nice clean place the town probably has few jobs and is shit and no one wants to live there because there is nothing there.

[@sivervipa]

"Maybe I didn't explain the argument right." No you did your best champ. It's a terrible idea anyway.

[@darksoul479]

People like this drive me crazy. He acts like $15 is a lot of money, money is just a meaningless number, what matters is the price of commodities. Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation. It doesn't matter if you get paid $100 an hour if a loaf of bread cost $500.

[@AugustDrake]

The morality of this caller is so transparent. If he can do it to people, it's okay, but if people can do it to him, he's wrong. What a fool.

[@Ocyla]

"don't be poor, don't be poor, don't be poor" simple!!

[@abacus892]

So this guy thinks that 20 year olds have poor decision making skills, but is happy that mistakes made before that age could see you in poverty for most of your adult life? Ok.

[@princemononoke2477]

Lmao my favorite part is when he says that "guaranteeing a safe working environment and a minimum wage aren't related to each other" The ability to SURVIVE off that job and not live in poverty IS a factor of safety, they go hand in hand.

[@BricksIn]

Libertarians are basically highschool football players who's parents tell them they're getting into college because their grades are amazing.

[@beastemeauxde7029]

I'm sorry to inform the caller that flipping burgers for 40 hrs a week, even in TX, *doesn't pay the bills.*

[@svanzandbergen]

Aha, but have you considered flipping burgers 168 hours a week? I rest my case.

[@charfire222]

Decitron Who the hell wants to work 168 hours. You’re not seeing your family friends socializing. It makes no sense again not in reality

[@Fafnd]

@@charfire222 true but I hope he was being sarcastic.

[@beastemeauxde7029]

@@svanzandbergen you are actually correct. After working 150 hours, I get my bootstraps. The other 18 hours are just to show I have a "can do" mindset.