Lie #4: God Predestined Certain People to Believe; Others Have No Choice | Andrew Farley

[@Vince-n6i]

I have discovered your messages on KZbin from Australia and I love your simple and true representation of the gospel. After over 40 years as a born again Christian I have grasped so many truths from your preaching, that have corrected many wrong beliefs I have been taught. Thank you 😊

[@imjustapoorwayfaringstrang9370]

i have searched everywhere trying to understand that chapter in Romans. I have asked many ministers what it means and all they could tell me is God works in Mysterious ways but still I felt this emptiness and hopelessness. You answered it Andrew and made it so clear and now my heart is feeling the love of Our Father who art in Heaven. God Bless you Andrew and thank you for the healing and the hope. You let me see how powerful God's love is and much we as humans have to be grateful for. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[@hasimhodzic9649]

Normally I would explain the error that is obvious to me in this message, but I have read all the comments and decided that I don’t need too, It didn’t take very long to read all the comments and if you really want to know the truth of God’s Word, you should do the same. This message from Andrew is full of error and he directly contradicts what the Bible is teaching. I hope you will listen to my advice, God Bless.

[@tedfordhyde]

Thank you for preaching this much needed message to dispel the lie of Calvinism. I'm glad you said in the beginning it's almost a false gospel. It's definitely not "good news" and far from the biblical narrative. The fact that there are Christians who are still believing a Platonist view of God and everything that happens is tragic. Its' a pathetic theology that is easily destroyed by the Word of God. Keep up the fine work!

[@frame3139]

Agreed

[@graftme3168]

I wouldn't say "almost." I would say it definitely is ANOTHER gospel, ANOTHER Jesus, and ANOTHER spirit. It's the same belief that the Pharisees based their lives on. "We are the chosen and everyone else is already condemned."

[@BasicGestalt]

This lesson was just what the doctor ordered. Praise God!

[@silly.Willy.billy.]

Wow. 🙌🏼 God is so good! I have never heard someone give messages so easy to listen to, so clear and comforting.

[@andrewlineberger7544]

Thank you Pastor I just found your Channel and your Doctrine so far is right on I was a calvinist for 10 years because I thought it was the only robust theology out there and I thought it must be true because I looked up to my elders that were teaching it Then I listen to guys like Kevin Thompson from Beyond the fundamentals and Leighton flowers from soteriology 101 and now I'm no longer a calvinist and I just want to thank you for your ministry because so many people have fallen for this fatalistic manichean gnosticism that was started by Augustine in the 4th century

[@jacobmojapelo2448]

Oh my. That's nuts.

[@mikenicholson7465]

Andrew, I praise God you came out of this system, which from my experience evangelically breeds militants and narcissists. See my own testimony here on the comments of this video.

[@andrewlineberger7544]

@@mikenicholson7465 Kool Praise God

[@andrewlineberger7544]

@Belinda Jobe 👍

[@fastlane6096]

Not So. Jesus himself was a Calvinist.

[@jimsiggy]

Thank you Andrew. So eloquent, so clear, so true!

[@shopson6991]

👉 “though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:11, 15-16‬ ‭ESV‬‬ 👆 That is clear.

[@djohnson3093]

Obviously not clear enough. Your first proof text is about one nation serving the other. Not individuals. The second is Paul addressing the complaint of the Jews that God has invited the gentiles. This belief system relies and survives by plucking verses out of the middle of the Bible, from the middle of a book, from the middle of a chapter and using them in a stand alone fashion. The Bible is a whole. Not bits and pieces of scripture from here and there that are taken out of context to support a man made doctrine. Context, context, context.....

[@wakeywakey8603]

@@djohnson3093 ❤

[@Mrs_Canary]

@@djohnson3093 thank u for clearing those verses up.

[@graftme3168]

Romans 9: 30-33 tells you exactly what the point to this was. The point was that God determined before the foundation of the world that those who believed would obtain righteousness, and those who tried to obtain righteousness by works would not obtain it. They were stumbling over the very gift of grace because they didn't believe the message/promise. Context matters!

[@pagen5219]

God loves ALL in the world, and he wants us all back home, saved in JESUS,,,,he showed me that when I died,

[@shopson6991]

👉 “even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:4-11‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@djohnson3093]

Beautiful passage about the promises of God for those who are chosen in Him. Not those who are chosen "to be in Him". This passage says nothing about anyone being chosen for salvation from before the foundation of the world. Salvation must be inserted into the text where it doesn't exist. The blessings are what has been predestined for those who are in Him. Not the people.

[@wakeywakey8603]

@@djohnson3093 What's the difference? Do u mind elaborating?

[@claudecharest7018]

@@djohnson3093 acts 13;48

[@graftme3168]

​@@wakeywakey8603God predestined that those who are in Christ will be saved. You are in Christ when you believe. He did not choose certain individuals to be in Christ. He chose that whoever believes would be in Christ.

[@lindaroberts7030]

The Gospel message is declared to many but not everyone can receive the message. Thats why the scripture says many are called but few are chosen. Matt 22 14 All the Father calls will come to Jesus and Jesus will not lose even one who is called to him by the father. No man can judge God for saving some and not others but the bible plainly teaches that it is so. Just like God chose Israel,Abraham,Isaac(not Ishmael)Moses, David ,Jesus,Paul, and Me and you if you believe that Jesus died for your sins.

[@johnnyjohnson1370]

@God And Butterflies 🦋 yes it is

[@johnnyjohnson1370]

The Bible clearly says that it is not God’s will that any should parish but that all should come to repentance that is his real will ,unfortunately throughout human history God doesn’t always get his will because he did not create robots

[@exivilon]

​@godandbutterflies4372What about the parable of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins? 5 went in with Christ to the wedding, while the 5 foolish were SHUT OUT and He told them He didn't know them, which signifies they weren't saved. So He saved some but excluded others. HIS choice, not ours. No one can ever resist His will, whether one is a vessel of honor or vessel fitted for destruction.

[@RightlyDividingToday]

@31:49 quick SUMMARY (3 minutes) @34:42 (15 second) short summary. Then the conclusion with ending prayer.

[@jsong1974]

For who can resist His will?

[@graftme3168]

If you read the entire context, it seems pretty clear what His will is. He predetermined that He would save whoever believes.

[@hgb4144]

You know when Holyspirit is received The seal gariteeing our inheritance

[@mikenicholson7465]

What a timely message for me, a deacon in the SBC serving in a local body who is currently between pastors. Our last pastor came to us fresh from one of our own seminaries with a head full of militant Calvinism and a heart full of narcissistic pride. He did great damage in his year and a half with us. He was pressured to resign after a moral failure with a married woman who was also in our body but we were spared an enormous reformation shaped bullet when he did resign.

[@eddienegrino8348]

Paul said it himself he was chosen since his mother womb. Galatians 1:15 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace

[@djohnson3093]

For service. Read the rest.

[@eddienegrino8348]

@@djohnson3093 I'm not a Calvinist, but is all the works of God that we are saved. We just receive what he gives us. He is the author of our faith. No man can believe in God by his own will. We were son's of the devil and still are half devil. If we have flesh we got devil in us.

[@JStevensdk7]

Amen, Calvinism / Reformed Theology is a horrible lie.

[@sabafidel8292]

ANDREW GOD ALMIGHTY BLESS YOU, YOUR TEACHING IS PURE AND CLEAR .

[@luiscaldeira2400]

I’m grateful that the Lord Jesus Christ brought me to this man , Andrew I appreciate you And your message sir! God Bless You!

[@thomast9872]

You totally just took what he said and threw it out the window by saying how jesus “brought” you to him.

[@paulmichael5021]

@@thomast9872 Wow...that was merciless...but so true!! :) Thank you! Amen!

[@thomast9872]

Paul Michael lol im just sayin man! It totally contradicts his statement. I don’t believe god guides us in any way. He gave us life, free will, our soul and thats it. He allowed us to make our own path and thats all i can ever ask for!! I will always be grateful that he doesn’t control us. “God has sovereignty, we have responsibility”

[@paulmichael5021]

@@thomast9872 He also gives us the free will to believe Rom 12:3...when He tells us faith is a gift...but some don't believe it. I 'will' stand on His Word.

[@rickykukman]

i love my LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, GOD ALMIGHTY in the flesh .

[@elisabethtrotter4564]

Jesus Christ went to the cross and now lives to set sinful you free from death and hell. Repent and turn your heart to Him before it’s too late. Say yes!

[@DeeEss_on_YT]

Andrew, you slayed it this morning brother! God bless you!

[@Sennin-f3y]

Dr. Andrew Your message on this topic was good enough for my understanding but what about Romans 8:30 NKJV [30] Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. Kindly explain this verse brother Andrew

[@InTheSpirit12]

If one believes in Jesus he has eternal life and it shows one was definitely chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

[@tylerbetz2102]

InTheSpirit12 could you expand a lil more if you could

[@InTheSpirit12]

​@@tylerbetz2102 At the 3:54 mark of this video he ask the question: " How can I know if I was chosen or not." This is a question to those Christians who believe that God chooses individuals for salvation. Christians can know they are chosen and saved by the fact they believe in the Gospel(1 Cor 15:1-4). My point is not to over complicate the simplicity in Christ. If one believes in Jesus he has eternal life therefore showing the fruit of his election by his faith in Christ alone.

[@madisonwilloughby9525]

@@InTheSpirit12 Christians also know if they are chosen because of the presence of God's Spirit within them: Ephesians 1:13-14 and Romans 8:26-27.

[@InTheSpirit12]

@@madisonwilloughby9525 Yes. Excellent! God bless you.

[@DeeMoney-rj4rj]

InTheSpirit12 2 Timothy 1:8-9

[@GregRickard]

I wonder if God sets boundaries that you have free will within. For example, if it's his will that I remain poor my whole life, then nothing I do can change that, but I can live my existence within that parameter.

[@DeeEss_on_YT]

This is amazing. This is the truth of the gospel explained clearly. Thank you Dr. Farley 💖

[@husq48]

I hope what you are saying is true Andrew, because I have anguished over this debate in my own mind for decades!

[@fastlane6096]

Don't listen to this type of internet-nut. Call upon God to give you wisdom to understand his word.

[@ToliveeisChrist]

Calvinism didn’t pop up until after the fifth century AD. With Augustine. This is a fact. 500 years with the truth hidden? Did Paul not understand? What about the scholars one hundred, two hundred, even three hundred years after Christ’s ministry? Calvinism should rightly be called meticulous determination. Which is wicked and a baffling insult to God Almighty.

[@ljjdcm]

“Free will” is doing what you “want to” do. Natural man in his natural state does not want anything to do with God or Christ - he doesn’t understand spiritual things- he can’t because he’s dead spiritually He is free to chose Christ but he has no “want to” for Christ. That’s why Jesus said you must be born again to even see the kingdom of God.

[@abrahamkk2218]

So believer need to choose God first? Then sovereign God has to save the believer? Or since sovereign God chose first, a believer could exercise saving faith? Is saving faith a gift from God or sinner who is dead in sin has to bring saving faith to the table of salvation? If Jesus died and resurrected for anybody's and everybody's sins then why there should be hell? Jesus paid for anybodies or everybody's sin.

[@graftme3168]

Jesus did die for the whole world. It destroyed the barrier, which is sin, that prevented man from being reconciled to God. His death doesn't save anybody. The Bible says it is His life that saves us. Salvation is a gift given only to the believer. God can give life because the barrier of sin has been removed by Jesus death.

[@anselmvantil7328]

Was pharaoh Roman's 9:17 a real person?

[@paulmichael5021]

Andrew's presupposition is that the natural man CAN somehow understand, accept, and discern Spiritual things...but where is that in Scripture?

[@NarrowPathDoctrine]

Exactly. I had no role whatsoever in coming to faith. God did it all.

[@dustinkay]

I believe what Andrew is saying. I feel like predestined is meant as God knew from the beginning who would accept His Son Jesus. He knew and knows the beginning til end therefore knowing the ones that would accept which in turn is on some sense predestined

[@madisonwilloughby9525]

Mr. Farley had some wonderful things to say in his sermon, and I whole heartedly agree that there is NO scriptural basis for individual predestination, but I must disagree with his assertion that Ephesians 1: 4, 5, and 12 speak of the Jews. First, in verse one, Paul tells us very matter-of-factly, that his letter was written to the 'holy people in Ephesus' who were Gentiles, not Jews. So, it is a mistake to attach the pronouns Paul uses to the Jewish people when he clearly wrote to non-Jewish people. Paul is speaking as a redeemed Jew to redeemed Gentiles. The pronouns Paul uses references the commonality of their redeemed statuses which is the purpose of the entire letter. Second, the pronoun 'us' used in 'God loved us, God chose us, God adopted us and bringing us (vs 4 & 5), references that God chose people (us) from out of all His creation. He could have chosen trees, or squirrels, or anything else He created, and made them in His image, but He loved, chose, adopted and is bringing us (people). This is a much clearer understanding of these verses and it does not violate the intended recipients of the letter. The family in verse 5 which Paul says we are adopted into is the Trinity, God's family of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Next, in verse 12, "God's purpose was that we who were the first to trust in Christ should praise our glorious God," can't possibly reference the Jews because they rejected Jesus. They weren't the first to trust in Christ. They threw Christ away! Their rejection of Jesus is what God used to bring the gospel message to the Gentiles in the first place. The phrase, "that we who were the first to trust," references the early believers in general, a group of which Paul clearly considered himself a member because he differentiates himself in verse 13 by saying, "and now you also have heard," which references the believers at Ephesus. Also, Mr. Farley made the comment that those who believed in individual predestination could have no assurance of their own salvation. His assertion is that those who are chosen as individuals would have no way of knowing, for certain, they were among the chosen ones. Here again, I do NOT believe in individual predestination, but wouldn't those who do, find assurance of their salvation in Romans 8:26-27 and Ephesians 1:13-14? With these scriptures so clearly in place, wouldn't those who hold to individual predestination claim this assurance? I fail to see how Mr. Farley's assertion for lack of assurance holds merit. Finally, I wonder why, in his list of scriptures which teach that everyone/anyone is included in God's gracious offer of salvation, did he fail to mention 2 Corinthians 5:15 "He died for EVERYONE, so that those WHO RECEIVE His new life will no longer live to please themselves. Instead, they will live to please Christ who died and was raised to life for them." Nor did he include Matthew 28:19 "Therefore, go and make disciples of ALL nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit." Why would God instruct us to spend time and energy to disciple people the world over if there were only a few individuals who were already chosen by God? In conclusion, I agree that Mr. Farley had some worthwhile things to say, but I believe he is wrong or insufficient in the instances stated above. It's my duty as a Christian to speak out when I feel strongly that something scriptural is misrepresented. This passage in Ephesians is made much more difficult than is necessary. May God bless you with a wonderful new year! Madison.

[@fastlane6096]

"No Scriptural basis for individual predestination?" What planet are you from? Do you read the Bible at all?

[@madisonwilloughby9525]

@@fastlane6096 No, of course not. My statement clearly indicates I have never read the Bible. Good grief, what a ridiculous thing to ask.

[@djohnson3093]

@@fastlane6096 Where do you find individual presentation in scripture? Please give one scriptural reference of anyone being chosen for salvation from before the foundation of the world. Thanks

[@fastlane6096]

@@djohnson3093 I will say one thing to you: Stop listening to these self appointed false prophets. Pray to God to open his Word to you. He will do it.

[@djohnson3093]

@@fastlane6096 Is there a scriptural reference in your reply somewhere? All I asked for was one verse. That shouldn't be too hard if the predestination for salvation were a biblical concept. Just one.... (It ain't there)

[@glendagajsek-shears3890]

😢😔🙏💚 Wish we don't have hardened hearts but Still wise and are calling/called on the true light loving God source Spirit Creator and Christos saviour/Jesus/Yeshua Messiah... And the right spirit mind within us all

[@lindaroberts7030]

Yea Lets look at predestination from the Bible standpoint. Nobody will argue that everyone in the old testament times were chosen or predestined. Somehow after Jesus came along we are to think that now he has left it up to chance under Gods free Grace. That God chose some before Christ but after Christ he has chosen everyone, but just because he chose you, doesnt mean you will be saved? This means God left it up to chance how many his Blood would redeem. He could have died for only 12 people or 100 people. Nobody that is familiar with the scripture will deny that the 12 disciples were chose specifically and Paul was chosen specifically and everyone in the Old Testament. Why is it ok that God chooses some of his Disciples which he clearly does, then why isnt it ok if God chooses all his disciples?

[@clintbeck5380]

Yet one of the 12 he chose went hell? Judas.

[@MathewSimonGospel]

Fantastic and brilliant. I have never heard anyone explain it this way. Very well preached.

[@violaarnold6098]

Why is it so dark in the back ground

[@tommorgan6530]

Where in West Texas?

[@jimfarnell5813]

God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it. If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, 'What doest thou?' Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so. A.W. Tozer, The Knowledge of the Holy

[@laraparks7018]

Moses? Joseph? Abraham? Elijah? Not predestined individuals?

[@savinggracechurch4112]

There is one account of Peter the apostle to Israel. He went to a gentile house after seeing a vision of a sheat with clean and unclean animals on. Peter went to Cornelius's house. Then, as Peter shared the gospel, the Holy Spirit fell on them. Peter was astonished that the Spirit fell on these gentiles as He did with us! So one account of Peter the apostle to the Jew's sent to dirty sinner gentiles.

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

Of course everyone has a choice. We all have free will. The thing is God does know the full future, as He is outside of time. He has seen the end from the very beginning. He knows who will choose Him and who will deny Him, so in this case, He chooses those who choose Him. That is a simple way to view it, imo. The Bible is clear: God desires that NONE should perish. This is 100% proof they have free will to choose to perish. Not sure how any of these calvinists get around that one verse alone...

[@teddycampbellband2648]

Although i am not a calvinist (as in I don’t follow another mans doctrine) I believe their argument as it pertains to 2 Peter 3:9 is in the preceding verses. Peter is writing to the saints about mockers of Christ’s return and is encouraging them to keep the faith until the end when Christ will come back and redeem them and judge the mockers. “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward US, not willing that any (of us?) should perish but that all (of us?) should come to repentance.” 🤷🏾‍♂️ ‭‭II Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭NKJV‬. Also, the first verse of this chapter tells us who Peter is talking to as well. You should check out the whole chapter in context and see if you still feel the same way. I am still seeking God for more revelation myself. Blessings to you.

[@Tommy-es4hp]

I have listened to many hours out of you're preaching Andrew and have yet to find any fault but in this particular one I must tell you this. 6 years ago God began transforming me from the inside out for no reason whatsoever as I wasn't praying for it, nobody on this Earth did or said anything to trigger it, and in fact I was happy with where I was in life but yet he began a curiosity the size of a mustard seed for Jesus that has now become a complete obsession in my life making me his disciple and I love it with every fabric of my being. there is no doubt in my mind I have indeed been predestined to be his. does that mean if you are not predestined you won't he saved? no! Let's not put God in a box and think his ways are our ways. I cannot honestly say why he does what he does but I do know he has chosen me to be his in the 45th year of my life and the awesome thing about this story is that because he did what he did he must be real and that is the takeaway here. what I hoped was true before he began my transformation is indeed true, God is real! although I thought I was a good Christian I now know that I was a lukewarm one at Best. praise be to God! outside of this particular message I want you to know that I love listening to your preaching Andrew as you are the only one preaching the real gospel, God's grace is indeed free and unconditional-agape- or would he wouldn't have giving it to me for no apparent reason. please don't let the Twisted group who claims predestination is a prerequisite for salvation taint your mind against the possibility of predestination, it does exist in accordance with his humanely unfathomable plan. I look forward to hearing more of your preaching, keep up the good work.

[@NarrowPathDoctrine]

Amen. Same for me as well, although I wasn't even a lukewarm Christian. I had nothing to do with God and He reached into my life in the 52nd year of it and pulled me toward Christ. This message is simply not correct IMO and there is a lot of Scripture to back that up. So many, like Sproul, MacArthur and more agree with those of us who believe in God plucking people out of their miserable lives because they were chosen before the foundation of the world.

[@clintbeck5380]

@@NarrowPathDoctrine Sproul and Mac Arthur are simply wrong. Sproul is wrong on plenty! Mac Arthur is right about 90% of the time. Most people are NOT Calvinists. Most bible scholars are not. Yes some are but most aren’t.

[@eddienegrino8348]

My beloved, 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God 1. Foolishness to the once that perish 2. The once that are saved is power of God The question is : weren't we lost as well? So it was foolishness to us How we get out of that foolishness? 1 Corinthians 1:21-24 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. This is past tense: Says: Save them that believe This is present tense: Doesn't say : The once that believe will be saved Believing is just a step for salvation. Being born again and being sealed with the Holy Spirit of God is being saved You were dead, now you have life! 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; For the whole world is foolishness. Jews, Greeks, that's the whole world. 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God When God Calls, we will be saved We can't reject God, we can't reject his will. God is not in heaven with his fingers crossed to see if we will believe. To see if wicked people believe 5 Then [a]the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent[b] of the thoughts of his heart was only evil [c]continually. God is God..

[@markus4979]

God is radically exclusive and inclusive. He is The only Way but anyone who believes in him shall be saved. Amen.

[@billhesford6098]

Ephesians 1:4 "1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus..." 4 ..... he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us....

[@hedley939]

Thank you..never saw it that way before..Amen.

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

Not only is their premise that only 'some' are picked.... even those who think they are have no assurance of their own salvation. According to Calvinism, no man can profess belief in Christ apart from God's effectual "cause' upon them, and that is against their own will. However, since there are those who also abandon their profession of faith.... even after many years, and some who were ministers, this too, is no less than at manifestation of God's eternal, unchangeable, decree. Calvin called it "Evanescent Grace" which God grants some ....temporarily... which is never intended to last. It is undetectable by anyone and appears genuine to everyone... but is only temporary.. that their eternal suffering be 'greater' than if they had never experienced 'faith' in the first place. Since the "Doctrines of Grace" allow this is true.... who is next??? The man in the mirror? The problem becomes that no Calvinist can trust the faith they think they have any more than the God they think gave it to them.🤷🏻‍♂ Most Calvinists were believers before becoming convinced or TULIP. Affirming TUILP does not preclude one from salvation... HOWEVER, it does undermine any hope of God's love for any one individual, personally. It's a very sad thing to see a believer doubt God's love for them. Calvinism plants this seed of doubt because the doctrine, properly understood, affords no individual any assurance of God's love for them or any individual they know, even their own children. It is the same lie the Serpent told Eve in the garden. .... "you can't trust God".

[@NarrowPathDoctrine]

Sorry Andrew. I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but Scripture clearly backs up the thought of God choosing, predestining and having the FULL role in salvation. As unbelieving sinners, we had no thought whatsoever to choose God. He chose us. Acts 13:48 - When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. - This is not what you say in your explanation of this verse. It wasn't a case of everyone who heard that day, believing. It's a nice thought, but sadly, many disagree.

[@solascriptura373]

You are right brother. Accepting predestination is the hardest food in the entire Bible and very few people can accept God's sovereignty expressed in predestination. God Bless.

[@briankady1456]

Calvinism's very definition.

[@ljjdcm]

Free will is simply choosing what you “want to“. Natural man has no “want to“ for Christ of the things of God. The Bible says they are foolishness to him, he doesn’t understand it and he can’t understand it for they are spiritually discerned and he’s dead spiritually. That’s why Jesus said you must be born again.

[@abrahamkk2218]

John 3:16 is the most abused verse in the Bible. It doesn't say that sinner is able to believe.. All it says is if a then b... it is not a proof text for ability to do a.

[@hschut777]

I am so thankful that God showed you all these truths! Amazing the gospel is really that good! 🥳

[@solascriptura373]

Unfortunately, Adrew is wrong. Predestination is part of God's eternal character confirmed by many verses in both OLD and NEW Testament (hundreds) . A sinful man cannot choose God by his own because he inherited from Adam and Eve hostility to God and he is not even interested in returning to God. People with the nature of Adam replaced God with themselves and their false image of divinity. *" There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. (12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."* Romans 3 Only God's mercy and next grace for a given man makes him need to come to God. *"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."* John 6:44 Only those who are given from Father can come truly to Christ and be saved. *"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."* John 6:65 *"John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven."* John 3:27 Chapter 9 to Romans explains why predestination is righteous in God's eyes. Paul understands human thinking, so he asks if God is unjust to say: He will have mercy on whom He wills? Paul replies that absolutely not. By comparing man to a clay pot, Paul clearly marks the position of man in relation to the omnipotent and omniscient God who decided in advance to what fate he would allocate the vessels according to His eternal will. There are many verses that seem to contradict predestination but they are misunderstood because of the context in which they were written. There are also many verses about human responsibility for accepting Christ, but the context is also important here, and from what perspective and to whom the author addresses.

[@GRACE4LYFE]

Muslims say same thing that allah predestines those who come to islam. That whoever comes to islam is because they were predestined by allah

[@orangeandslinky]

Wow, your description of the people that believe predestination is nothing at all like they believe. I mean not even close. Your so angry at the millions of saints that believe in Christ. Why so much hate for the millions? I don't get it?

[@katherinebuchanan3793]

So True Amen So Excited Andrew

[@9mmaster538]

You have it backwards Dr. I think your really great and you've given me hope on your teachings on sin and forgiveness. But all your points against this statement can easily be countered. you've said yourself before its not your walk that gives you security its simply the belief in Gods word and promises. It all comes back to the cross and whether Jesus died for all or for His sheep. Did Jesus actually accomplish anything on the cross or just potentially did. "It is Finished" means exactly that, all was accomplished. Those who the Father chose Jesus died for and He will raise them up at the last day. The call of the gospel goes out, it doesn't contradict whosoever believes, that still remains the same. God knows who are His we do not. We can personally know by our profession of faith. We have to be diligent to make our calling and election sure but our feelings don"t determine whether we are saved its Gods promises. Gods plan is unfolding and it will be successful. We are called to preach the gospel and it is God alone who will save through that word by His Spirit. That should give us confidence that Gods people who have yet to hear will believe. Jesus said " All that the Father gives me will come to Me and the one that comes to Me I will by no means cast out. " No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws Him and He will raise them up at the last day. Basically if you believe than you can consider yourself the elect.

[@johnnyjohnson1370]

You are saying God only makes robots. Wrong

[@johnnyjohnson1370]

Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord WILL BE SAVED. WE HAVE A CHOICE

[@Spidermannprime]

This really cleasned my mind.

[@jackfoot1257]

This needs to go viral throughout the body of Christ.

[@wordsowerkantharao6043]

I love your messages but you just preached a calvanistic message in a different way,lol! Please if time permits have a debate with Dr. James White! I speak positively !

[@The_Scouts_Code]

Calvinism is gross.

[@lindaroberts7030]

Peter does talk about predestination very plainly. 1 Peter 1-2 speaks about predestination and declares how it happens. Read it. It says to the elect, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in Sanctification of the spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. Notice the trinity at work in our salvation from what I just read. God does the work of salvation from start to finish. God didnt even choose all of Israel. God is clear that just because youre of physical Israel it doesnt mean you are of his chosen seed. Romans 9 6-7 You are a liar Andrew Farley. The isrealites are not the vessels prepared for honor, we just went over that in Romans 9 6-7. You use the verse For God so loved the world, John 3 16 to say God means he loves every person. Thats Not what it means! If we believe that then we need to believe that God is going to pour his spirit out on every person after the day of pentecost and if that were true everyone would be saved. Lets read the text acts 2:17 is understood to be a fulfillment of the Gospel going out to the gentiles. " and it shall come to pass in the last Days, saith God I will pour out my spirit upon ALL FLESH" Does this mean every person in the world or does it mean all the people groups, the gentiles. It means all the people groups not every person. In the same way God doesnt mean every person when he says he loves the world. That would make God a liar because if he meant the whole world as every person then he must not be including Esau because clearly God said he hated Esau. The devil is in the world. Does God love him?

[@johnmacdonald3282]

To boldly say it's a false gospel is not nice, however, I dont see what benefit there is preaching it. I have a friend who everytime he sees me says just think before the beginning God chose me. I dont think it's something we have the right to gloat about. How bad will someone not chosen suffer in hello.

[@carlhill847]

If "God Predestined Certain People to Believe" is a lie, then the entirety of Romans 9, and specfically, Romans 9:14-16, must also be a lie. It clearly refutes the basic premise of Farley's claims.

[@lindaroberts7030]

There is not a single person God loves that is in Hell. God saves everyone he chose to love from before the beginning of time. Satan brought sin into men and man begot more sinful men that God never intended to live. Hence the wheat and the tares. God speaks that which he wants to come to pass and that which he speaks always comes to pass. Therefore when God says it shall come to pass that all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved he is telling the truth. All who call upon his name will do so because the father has called them and by the power of the Holy spirit Jesus has saved them by his blood. Do you see the trinity their?

[@rcjr2633]

I just dont see how God created Adam from Nothing ..God is 100% perfect and Adam was 100% nothing..Then God created Man from Absolutely nothing.. So you're saying God had 100% to do with creating man, but it's just a chance that man acts the way they do? God drew the blueprint for mankind. So how is he not 100% responsible...?

[@ronaldpettifurd5957]

Free will. God gave us free will

[@ronaldpettifurd5957]

@@forrestrun1 well said brother

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

God created Adam from the dust of the ground and gave breath to Adam from Gods power. God did not create Adam from nothing. :P

[@samsamthecat492]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. It sounds like you are blaming God for people making bad choices instead of putting the blame on the people doing it? Please think about what you are saying and pray about it because that doesn't make any sense to me. We have sin in our world, therefore we can chose to sin. Jesus died to wash away our sins. He had to do this for us because that was the only way for us to be saved. God gave us free will to chose sin and to chose him. He doesn't want to force it on us. I tell that to my kids also. I would rather they love me because they want to and not because I make them. It doesn't mean anything if you force someone to love you or obey you.

[@rcjr2633]

@@Harpazo_to_Yeshua Seriously? Who made the dust ? Who knew the particles in the dust before he used it? That's a straw man argument..God made everything for his honor and glory. " In the beginning, GOD... PLEASE READ John chapter one " ALL" THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM AND "WITHOUT HIM" WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE" .. ANYTHING in the Greek, Hebrew , Latin etc means the same ....ANYTHING AND ALL THINGS. God is just and Holy and is not bound to the rules he's commanded us..However, " He works all things to the good counsel of his will".. Gen 1 and John 1 prove that ALL THINGS are of God.. He did not create evil, but in his divine creation, he knew that evil would come, yet he still chose to do it that way.

[@The_Scouts_Code]

"Golly, shucks!"