Life After Guantanamo: Blacked Out Bay (Part 4)

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In the final episode of Guantanamo: Blacked Out Bay, VICE News sat down with Terry Holdbrooks, a former guard who converted to Islam shortly after his time at the detention center. Holdbrooks gave us a solid glimpse of what life is really like at Gitmo, and how he is coping with life after being honorably discharged from the Army.
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[@ProFoxMike]

He looks very sincere while talking about Gitmo + everything he says makes a lot of sense. A very very very sad part in the history books of humanity.

[@abdullahafridi7947]

Mashallah, may Allah bless this man. This is the true face of Islam that non-Muslims want to ignore.

[@g3toutth3way]

ISIS?

[@FloppaAppreciator]

***** Would you take away the sense of religion and just think of this man as an individual? He's very moderate, just devout. He converted because he decided to educate himself after what he had seen. I say he's an admirable character, not that I would ever do the same being an agnostic and finding religion to be unimportant for daily life. There are more good muslims than there are bad ones, you wouldn't go up to Muhammed Ali and bash his religion in front of his face would you? (He would probably bash yours with boxing gloves.) Just think about how you look saying these things.

[@abdullahafridi7947]

@Tyler Sweeney out of 1.8 billion Muslims around the world, about 10,000 decided to join an extremist group and you begin to believe that this is what Islam is all about?

[@FloppaAppreciator]

***** What in the fuck did he do to get that response from you? How about you "Get lost." instead? It's going to take Muslims to end the struggle, get friendly with the good ones or be acquainted with the bad ones.

[@HTCEVOSONGS]

We're not ignoring him. What's the relevance here? There are a billion intellectual degenerates, ranging from followers of David Icke to other such cults. They sound like learned, intelligent men. Who cares?

[@scottthompson2481]

Bless you , and thank you , a good guy , is a rare thing these days .

[@Shackleford_Rusty]

I personally don't see him as a traitor, he is not saying down with the US or some bs like that he is stating an opinion as to his experience why on duty, and as an American he has all the right to do so. I don't believe that we can do with out a detention center like Guantanamo simply because of the nature if the detainees, but his disagreement with that does not make him a traitor

[@ThoughtfulThug]

Saying "down with the US" is legal in the United States. It's called the First Amendment, not traitor.

[@192mickey]

Patriots criticize their government. Anyone who loves the constitution would speak out against the lack of habeas corpus.

[@therealoldnosey8689]

ThoughtfulThug You understand what he is saying though...

[@therealoldnosey8689]

Rolling_Ruedo Yes they are Patriots but really they are people with sense. And making sense is what we need to push for humanity to survive, not patriots and nationalists, we need Humanists.

[@thenthastriedtocensorme5157]

Jeremy H hbb

[@joeblow966]

“Religion. It's given people hope in a world torn apart by religion.” ― Jon Stewart

[@snyc42]

He said that? That's pretty deep actually.

[@HelderP1337]

They never learn.

[@HiAdrian]

Hah, that's a nice one!

[@JusThought68]

Its not by religion its by people religion says one thing but people do another in the name of that religion so when the media gets a hold of this people then go against the religion rather than the people unless that religion is known to being rich or wealthy can anyone guess which religion im talking about?

[@ridwanomar5351]

atheism is not a religion lol.

[@christophernorth1400]

Very eye opening, good video.

[@elkurdo227]

Proud to be Muslim hamdullah 🤲🏽 Oh God, guide the lost to your straight path.

[@nervykane]

This happens a lot it seems like, iv heard of a lot of soldiers who went to Iraq and Afghanistan convert, they arnt fighting Islam, that's why. People who are true to Islam and don't manipulate it are peaceful people. I might be a bit shady on these facts but im pretty sure the Quran is a lot more of a peaceful book than the bible.

[@batoolkhizr786]

Anders Persson Jesus p.b.u.h was not the ruler of land .. Prophet p.b.u.h was a ruler of land too.. so he gave us complete rules to lead a country as well..

[@ezrc9294]

Quran is extremely violent . Bible new testiment has zero violence in it. Muhammed raped, killed, beat , tortured in many battles of war in his life. Jesus never hurt anyone.

[@AbdelRahmanSeyamEg]

@@ezrc9294 Jesus is the god of the old Bible as you believe 👊

[@ezrc9294]

@@AbdelRahmanSeyamEg Jesus is the God of the New Testament - not a shred of violence in the NT.

[@ffazlyrabbe1638]

Why dont u read surah Tawba

[@bchall5783]

I wish y'all made these Gitmo episodes longer!!!

[@khalidhashemi7047]

It would have been longer if it wasn’t for the “ we have to move on now” and “ we cannot disclose such information” bullshit

[@mrpinkroo]

Every man has a choice and every man will remember what they did or didn't do.

[@mrpinkroo]

xxx xxx Ok.

[@3baida]

Just Human. Love you man from Syria!

[@deznutz352]

Syria is a dump you should move lmao

[@twells2323]

I love how she had to sit outside the room when he was speaking.

[@jjsweg9012]

y

[@zaffarspater]

You would not understand child

[@joesickler5888]

@@zaffarspater I understand misogyny just good, old ass.

[@firebirdq826]

She wasn't outside anywhere

[@holdshiftt2run308]

@@joesickler5888 That means having separate bathrooms is also misogyny.

[@Muslim604c]

This guy is awesome. Keep up the great work.

[@jerekxD]

I always love the way vice reports stuff never lie about anything and gets all the facts from both sides I love it only news source I use

[@j311ycaa5]

They interviewed the guards in the first episode.

[@cheguevaramtebts]

من يهده الله فلا مضل له ومن يضلل فلا هادي له...

[@laurenj432]

Her “how are you doing” Him “now what are you fishing for🧐”

[@palasari79]

My perspective is open now. Thanks vice

[@1slamExplained]

The irony is "SOME" people who claim to be American are saying that Islam is incompatible with the West whilst Islam had one of it's golden eras in Al-Andalus Spain. It was due to Queen Isabella invading massacring/raping and pillaging Spain that the west got it's enlightenment i.e. they stole and robbed Spain of it's knowledge leading to Europe's Golden years..also one point which is ironic it seems people forget history when it relates to them? One might ask how did America come into existence did the natives welcome the "savages" who raped and pillaged their land with open arms? PS: Please respect life and history, don't paint out that America is the saver of mankind when it has shed so much blood and stolen land and resources like no other nation on earth.

[@JefePanteraAzul]

Islam is much worse. For starters why not compare jesus to mohammed?

[@guccikiwi913]

JefePanteraAzul Islam is a very bad and evil religion ( in my opinion ) but I do not think you can compare Islam to America. America is the root of all evil

[@JefePanteraAzul]

Islam Explained If islam is so great than how come people always flee islam countries for christian ones?

[@MultiMiss62]

Why do they flee Islamic countries? Clearly you have a very egocentric view/thought process. When the West is bombing your country and giving your land to others (like Donald Trump recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel) you are left with a simple choice - die or flee to seek refuge, shelter and safety somewhere else.

[@MultiMiss62]

Bullshit lies? So are you denying the atrocities committed by the West? The involvement and the role the West plays in all this? Also, Saddam was a puppet of the US - backed up, powered by and supplied by the US. Fact, not a bullshit lie.

[@shifty2144]

man before i came to know Vice i always believed that everyone in this world had the ability to comprehend facts and to differentiate between the good within a group and the bad within a group or society. Now it's vividly clear that the majority of the people here hate me. You people hate for being a Muslim and you guys dont even know me. What my life has been like and how i was brought up. The teachings of my prophet are ridiculed and to some extent it is viewed as a cult. My Book is made fun of. Everything i hold dear is considered as wrong and i'm known as a terrorist. It doesn't matter how good i am, because according to the majority of ignorant people here i am out to murder everyone. I have love for all different races/beliefs and groups and I believe that hopefully at least one of you guys can be convinced to think differently next time you are about to abuse me or my religion. Wa Salam

[@PinstripeJim]

You should turn you efforts towards those Muslims who have a different belief and are the Islamic Extremists. Stereotyping a Muslim is no different than stereotyping someone as a gang member in LA who wears baggy Dickies, Chucks, and a white T.

[@shifty2144]

Pinstripe Jim thank you for your kind words

[@adriancantu1343]

Frankie Jay that’s just life man sucks bro that’s why I don’t let people or things change my view of thinking or seeing people

[@yacine.3_2023]

@@anbo1764 you can say that all you want but doesn't make it true 😉

[@symphonic1057]

Ik this comment was made a long time ago but believe me, most Americans do not hate Muslims. I personally think of these terrorist organizations that claim is be Muslim as false Muslims. We may follow different religions but there is no reason for me to hate you, in fact the Bible teaches us to love.

[@jonathanturbide2232]

Vice news: Best channel on KZbin. Always interesting (contrary to the regular Vice channel)

[@joebazooks]

Bone breaking journalism!

[@imfz4444]

Love you Terry from Amman-Jordan

[@Hellowhyareyouhere]

Anyone else notice the pt belts in the beginning 😂😂😂

[@johnwitherspoon3713]

3:38 never a truer word has ever been spoken

[@BLVCKxvSCVLE]

wasnt this a 5 part series??

[@rjcavazos89]

my new fav reporter

[@masterloganisonxbox]

Reading these comments that are anti muslim/ islamic makes me loose all hope for humanity. I am a atheist but I respect what a group of people believe in. Just because people don't believe in what these people believe in it makes it a terrible religion. Just because people from the specific religion are bad people, it makes them all bad people. People of today are pathetic...

[@officialspaceman1190]

his wife is beautiful

[@SuperEdep]

WTF

[@hardcandy7112]

KEEP YOU EYES TO YOURSELF , LEARN RESPECT , YOU FOOL.

[@0407joe]

Yes she is

[@dhir5560]

@SOSA nah

[@myriemjaziri6167]

In Islam, no one has the right to attack people who never attacked you.

[@sambasivam2000]

Such a insightful documentary. I am not blaming any one country for it but then this is human expression. when humans become insecure things do happen.

[@cashapark87s25]

4:45 you hear that u keyboard warriors ..

[@SSGTBUTTERZ88]

does anybody know what the glass the president has during his speeches is called? or whatever substance it is?

[@numgun]

Excellent reporting, seeing stuff like this really makes you stop and think about stuff.

[@mranonymouse1134]

I just pray and pray that those poor souls are freed.... people have so many wrong accusations on muslims these days.

[@Mandaloreish]

Declining is the same thing as admitting you did it, the least you could have done is tried to defend yourself.

[@mza131313]

What's the song BTW, after the gun range

[@cagatayocal7049]

Terry doesn't want to be hostile Terry doesn't want to be dismal But he either doesn't want to live in a apathetic existence

[@WalterWhite-pw2zc]

Why can't Skylar be like this wife? Silent

[@aminm4652]

Because you would have 3 less series to get your teeth on and it would of ended in season 2...

[@ami2fast4y0u]

she isn't talking because the interview isn't about her -_-

[@etsakir]

***** The Muslim women have quite lot rights but you don't have brain though, I can say this.

[@njkeyes80]

She is wearing her nightgown on her head for God sakes...

[@ZoroasterMusik]

Because the first duty of man (and woman) is to seek and investigate the truth.

[@Ph4nt0m5u6]

I like how Obama said, "I tryed to close Guantanamo, I transferd 60 detainees...etc". The problem is not Guantanamo, the problem is the whole retroric of fighting for "freedom", and at the same time detaining people, without even a hope of a trial. It does not metter where you hold them, the problem is that you hold without trial and following the rules of war ( under which they are then War prisoners, and still should be treated better then they are ). And the matter of the fact is, those are people from different independent states, so using the rule of war on a detainee from Kazachstan, Pakistan, etc, would mean that you are in a war with that country. Sometimes I just wish to see it all come down, to see some extrimist come to power in Pakistan and just...Because they have the bomb...

[@dynamicwarfare]

Agreed.

[@Cracklin319]

As a nation, US will always need a facility like Guantanamo

[@waheed7288]

God bless you and keep you in his protection Ameen

[@one_lifeproject3044]

I think I saw him in the movie "camo X-Ray"

[@matthewm6448]

Constitution does not apply on over seas bases meaning in these there no such thing as rights there

[@musab000]

you do not need a constitution to know and distinguish right from wrong

[@lovedichoreo1529]

Great interview, quite a unique perspective

[@F145h1]

4:35 says it all about VICE Videos trolls!!!

[@niquabispeaksabyssiniaiman9048]

SubhanAllah he’s matured to one of my friends in Arizona they are both reverts Alhamdullilah

[@carlachinea5548]

Ok but no one gonna point out how tht lady got that job in that kitchen in the jail lol

[@speaklikeanative]

top notch reporting

[@mikljay4635]

2:26 wrong there is a correctional facility on fort dix drove past it every single day

[@benjoblo]

Treating people like this can't lead to anything good, it is just plain wrong. They haven't been tried or proven guilty, they are just being detained against their will. The terrorists won't even need propaganda to recruit when these sorts of things are actually happening.

[@user-uw1il5rw4o]

At the end of the day something had to happen for ppl to get sent to gitmo. Conditions are harsh but oh well

[@ForeverRepublic]

I am from Israel and I must say I am taken back by this man. Such conviction should be admired.

[@Lieu3C4]

6:56 A simple summary, if not yet enough said of how to avoid on a larger scale than an awakened and individual awareness.

[@emilie658]

What do we learn from history? That we never learned something from history.

[@nichollswalter]

I will say this about this documentary. First off, thank you Vice News, as always, for your humble agenda of truth; I have seen through many of your documentaries how "misguided" our beliefs tend to be. I have opened my eyes to many different things I would've never otherwise. My sincerest hope to you is that you continue to get successful enough to not only reach me in the way you did but many, many more. While I truly agree with you that this guard has a notion of what truly is going on, my fear is that hopefully this is not just simply a counter-intelligence plot. Do not get me wrong, I actually believe this guy has in fact turned to Islam because he truly sees how atrocious "we are" as an oppressing society. To me this "thing" has always been a matter of clash of societies wherein America has always had a well calculated and thought out plan of super-existence. That said, do you not (even if marginally) believe that the CIA is using this "turned guard" as bait to lure the so called "radical Muslims"? If the above sounds to you just like random rant, I suggest you too become a little smarter about what is really going on around you.

[@mouadhboukefa560]

I can assure you brother that those few radical Muslims you are mentioning killed Muslims more than they have killed any other nation in the world and every single one of them is working In an agenda of a specific organization either CIA or their local governments. It's like the new task force governments send to do their dirty laundry.

[@bandar7891]

How can he be used as a bait to Lure the so called radical Muslims while he even doesn't sound or act like one..If you meant by Radical Muslims the maniacs beheading ppl including Muslims in news footages like ISIS and such...I can assure you he is not that of a bait as you may have thought he'd be. I'm a Muslim btw..

[@hummadam9738]

Once weapons were manufactured to fight wars , now wars are manufactured to sell weapons. (Arundhati Roy) "War on terror" is a ongoing contrived CIA corporate project to keep America's security / military/ prisons industrial complex in business. That's why they won't shut Guantanamo down.They need to keep that false narrative alive so they can make Congress vote in their favor. Also it helps if they can sustain it by provoking "extremist" reactions which they can then conveniently label " terrorism" . 'Everybody' loses ,prisoners and guards ,from the horrors within, but the secret service bosses seem win every time.

[@mhtindustries6867]

Love ya terry

[@025saleem]

And SUBSCRIBED

[@kierancallaghan9170]

I literally can send you a picture of the jbmdl correctional facility.

[@ryanparker1949]

the reporter almost looks like kristen stewart

[@kevinwatson5142]

God Bless America🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@frederickdavila1070]

FEAR is behind all of this! If one leads a fearful life then your life will be filled with ignorance, hate, greed, envy... etc. Without fear all that is left is LOVE. People hide behind there fear with religion, security, structure, and rules feeling that there is some sort of control involved. As soon as a persons sense control or security is dissolved the "only" choice" left is to be fearful. The real truth is that no one has control. You perceive yourself as in control but who actually is. Let go and make a choice and go with it. Every detail doesn't matter. My point is that as soon as we begin let go of our FEAR we will have nothing left to do but love each other. We can't learn from he past if we continue this cycle of FEAR. Fear repeats history! Love creates! The horrors of Guantanamo and other atrocities will only continue as long as we live in fear! Your purpose in life is to love and help each other. Peace be with all creatures and life! Unity!

[@grateful1310]

People say what happens to them so do u

[@Arabic_with_zayd]

Where is he right now?

[@valiantzest]

who is the interviewer

[@ThoughtfulThug]

6:59 Whether you agree with him or not for converting, he's right about that we as a Nation are heading to a shit future.

[@Trekker88888]

7:07 pretty much says it all. No matter how much truth there is in this video we cannot believe anything someone says about something. We can thank internet for that. For that being said they are clearly ashamed what is happening in gitmo. Its just too secretive.

[@PinstripeJim]

I want to know what happened to him to have that horseshoe shaped scar on the side of his head. It wasn't from being a guard in Gitmo. He also was in the Army Reserve and not on active duty, most likely with the MP Company that gave the Army a bad name at Gitmo. . The ID card they show next to his VA card is a TA-180 card only issued to Reserve and Guard when their period of active duty is complete.

[@oscarvaldini515]

Why so much hate?!

[@paulvincent3318]

I agree with him

[@paulvincent3318]

The guy on the vid not @olcay

[@lilostitch4347]

This guys is the typical soldier that gets out .. And it's angry at the army for not getting the leave he wanted ... So now he finds a way to get back at the army .. And the reporter grosses me out ... This has nothing to do w Islam .. They use Islam as an excuse to commit crimes against humanity ..

[@ddiver7908]

the interviewer is cute! i like

[@mattis2489]

I have watch the whole series and I frankly believe that this is very poor reporting done by vice on this subject. Coming from a military background, I served with some individuals that came from tours in Cuba. They will tell a very different story than what is being displayed by this series. I suggest that evaluating the bias very heavily when forming an opinion from this series.

[@JohnDubya]

It's obvious this series about Guantanamo is biased against it. It's quite frustrating to get bias along with reporting. I would like to just get the facts without having opinion and personal bias injected into it. =/

[@zizimugen4470]

So they want transparency at the camp, but only if you do the report that they make you do. Insanity.

[@phillyboi1628]

terrorism is not Islam....love and peace is Islam

[@karim94-48]

Alex Rothwell you have learn the kuran, we have nothing called kill innocents or non-muslim or being enemies of peace, even in war prophet muhamad sais don't kill the elders and childrens just the soldiers, the islam said ( who killed someone without reason is like killed people all) Don't blame it with media or with some stupid muslims,

[@karim94-48]

Alex Rothwell thanx bro, yeah terrorist are in arabic countries but just i ask you why terrorist are in only coutries which has oil ? Like syria irak libya ? And occupied oil well and lot of european companies buying oil from them and no one blame these companies and no media say that, only vladimir putin who say that and he fight against them ( sorry for bad english )

[@Msunbird02]

Karim Talbi Liar. Either you've never read a Quran or are using taqiyya. _the islam said ( who killed someone without reason is like killed people all)_ ^ The 'verse' you mention cannot be found in any printed copy of the Qur'an, regardless of whether or not it is in the original Arabic or in one of its many English translations. *The reason for this is simple: that verse does NOT exist.* In truth, it is a distorted, out-of-context and wholly misleading paraphrasing (adopted by Moslems) of Qur'an 5:32 which states - "... We decreed upon the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." The very next verse - Qur'an 5:33 - continues: "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,..." These verses clearly refer ONLY to "the Children of Israel" and does NOT apply to Moslems. You now know that verses 5:32-33 do not condemn the killing of a non-Moslem. In this instance, as in many others, it is apologists like you who misinterpret verses and quote them out of context in order to deceive uneducated people.

[@Msunbird02]

Karim Talbi "yeah terrorist are in arabic countries but just i ask you why terrorist are in only coutries which has oil? Like syria irak libya?" Liar. There are Islamic terrorists walking around in EVERY country on this earth; those with oil and those without. You know it and so does everyone else.

[@karim94-48]

Msunbird02 they strike countries whose have no oil because they fight against them but they don't accupy their lands, example libya and tunisia close each other but libya has oil and tunisia no, so why terrorist occupy libya especially where are oil fields located but they only strike tunisia ?

[@tkzsfen]

the only thing that made me frown at this otherwise good man was the fact that he was selling inside the mosque - isn't there something a bit repulsive about it?!

[@billyyou3939]

I actually don’t feel safe behind my keyboard

[@hardcandy7112]

They know every key hole in your House 🏡, They are Watching , I live in Hell GHETTO ,Killing every weekend ,so they would stand out and pee in their pants sitting in a car too long ,not proud but ive grounded myself in the community .

[@user-hc4hp4jz7n]

Crazy

[@myriemjaziri6167]

Islam is not terrorism. They perhaps were too harsh on the prisoners but those prisoners stay criminals.

[@VICENews]

A former guard tells us what life is really like at Guantanamo. More updates coming soon. Click to subscribe: bit.ly/Subscribe-to-VICE-News Inside Guantanamo: Blacked Out Bay (Part 1) Force-Feeding in Guantanamo: Blacked out Bay (Part 2) Interview with a Former Guantanamo Detainee: Blacked out Bay (Part 3)

[@tinahhhsorondo8398]

But what did they do ?

[@DIM0RI]

4:00 Not wearing ear protection properly... >.>

[@NickMcElmurry]

I have a question are the people being held there conformed guilty , like by a jury , with evidence ? Or are they just possible terrorist suspects being held indefinitely?

[@gigi4266]

suspects.

[@binos8843]

Oh! The horror because some disgruntled and bored guards decided to step on a hand or foot, you automatically feel that you are required to bitch about it, guys this happens in every prison, just Guantanamo holds terrorists (As well as the Staff of Terrorists and sponsors) and that it guarded by MP's. Seriously if you think its bad in Guantanamo with the normal prison conditions, please look how our Enemies treat our guys, especially the reporter that was beheaded by the same kind of guys that are locked up in Guantanamo.

[@fatjohn91]

I can't wait for madden 15...

[@chip7796]

How’s madden 21 lol 😂

[@fatjohn91]

Louie not so good

[@carlosnumbertwo]

I'd love to see this guy trade places with Nick Foley.

[@samvicchrilli3012]

Guantanamo has given us many black eyes as a country, but I disagree with the guy that it means the U.S. is headed to "a dark place" or is a portend of things to come. Gitmo is pretty roundly condemned -- who stands up for it? And I too wish for a peaceful America, but we must also be hard and war-like when dealing with people, like Islamist Thugs, who don't share or want our values (values like freedom of speech, consent of the governed, no state religion, etc.) I do know this -- I don't look for answers in the Koran, The Hebrew Bible, The New Testament, the Vetas, or any other ancient book that purports to be a divine guide, but is very often just a recipe on how to not get along with others.

[@MrQbenDanny]

Was he witness to decapitations?

[@423alonso]

May God bless us every where in the world humans are killing one another for anything we are doom......

[@MrTana48]

She is so beautiful

[@elizabethngwa5250]

I don't get it. Are they more powerful than what happened on 9/11?

[@faeezacarrim4656]

Slmz Mashallah. Allah has ways of showing true Islam. May u always move forward with such zeal an positively. After 911 many of us muslim hve become aware that how valuable we are to the world. So the more u destroy Muslim country the more Islam will grow an those same people will become more closer to their creator than get involved in vices. Mashallah brother

[@hardcandy7112]

Don't be Afraid of our Government ,stand for your Right or loose them .

[@doodelay]

terry's personality and speech is like that of a cartoon character or some fictional character in a book. he's a super weird guy

[@AirDwindler402]

That beard though

[@tritondriver1]

"So everyone loses " , he is now a Muslim, has a gun ! What the ? Possible Fort Hood shooting episode, and that shooter was an Army Major psychiatrist .I was Honorably Discharged too but ...this guy with a gun.

[@JailbreakCentral]

All I have to say is that you don't always have to comment...

[@unvmematt]

This guy is bowe bergdahl jr.

[@odeed]

What is she fishing for? The same thing every journalist is fishing for. For him to say something that's going to get this video views,and further her career.

[@kyostikallio5528]

The interviewer is soooooo fucking hot!

[@dougspizman6751]

Obviously torture is wrong n shouldnt go on....besides that what is the argument about? This is what prison is. These aren't gang members or drug dealers or ur average murderer. These men are terrorists that want to kill on a mass scale. What else should b done with them?