LIGHTEST ARROW FOR ELK?

LIGHTEST ARROW FOR ELK? - We are talking New Arrows for 2024, Some Old Arrows too... all 4mm plus components. We also chat arrow builds for elk and lighted nock options! #elkshape #ABT
1:45 - 6:00 - Tour of MFJJ's man cave & Lighted Nock Chatter
6:01 - 6:50 - Jake Webb interrupts filming
6:51 - 14:14 - Measuring and Cutting Arrows
14:15 - 14:52 - Component Weights & Hot Melt
14:53 - 18:19 - White board comparison
18:20 - 25:45 - Fireside Chat about Arrows for Elk
25:46 - 100K Sub Giveaway Announcement
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[@nicolasmora5395]

You’ve been grinding this KZbin thing for a while. Really hope you hit 100k sooner rather than later. Videos like this really help people who want to try new things but can’t go out and buy 6 different arrows and components. Thank you

[@Your_mom736]

103k as of today. Moving nicely.

[@mountainmancaraway6431]

Just built my first set of RIP XVs. 250 spine at 420 grain total weight. 319 out of my V3X33! So far really impressed with performance. Great video, keep putting out the content!

[@mgrundy]

Another member of the 27" draw club here, checking in. SALUD!!!!🏹

[@jedhuf7548]

Josh has me convinced. I’ll be slingin RIP XVs at TAW 428 grains. That’s with a 125 mega meat. Used the Mega s last year at 476 grains and blew clean through everything I hit.

[@zackofalltrades510]

Keep killin' it Dan!! Tons of knowledge!!!

[@user-bz6kv9yx7f]

Enjoy your videos and appreciate your help in learning archery equipment. Can't wait to see the 100k!

[@blessedvetoutdoors]

Killer convo and video. Seriously killer knowledge in here.

[@lukeclement1310]

That 3 blade blood trail speech was church 👍 totally agree.

[@perryknetter8577]

Great Job Dan and Josh very informative. God's Blessings on all your adventures and endeavors

[@wyatthill92]

Thanks for all the great videos! Been on a deployment for about 3 months now and download the videos I missed when I pull in to port! Keep up the awesome work!

[@derrickprest8150]

you guys are awesome I love all the content, you guys really drive modern day archery and make it possible for everyone to learn the ropes. thanks for all the work you guys put into it!

[@engineerz_hero6771]

Great video Dan. Thank you for sharing the grind and information you do. Nice little close out line there to btw hahaha

[@vancejohnson1778]

Awesome stuff guys, going on a mountain goat hunt in 8 months and planning to upgrade my arrow set up so this video is good timing 👍

[@CharlieNDaTree]

I do love the 5mm myself. But I’m only 1.5 yrs in on the the journey. Love the info thanks to you both.

[@jarvindecker6673]

You and Tim C videos are some of my favorite on KZbin

[@donaldsmith6404]

This would be my far the best channel to win that giveaway from. You’re getting a great workout then building with mfjj. Hell of a deal.

[@stevecoffman5460]

Really enjoy the content and information in these type of videos. It’s very useful for building hunting setups. I’ve been using 410-425 grain setups for 15 years, and had no problems with penetration.

[@travis9687]

You’re full of sh*t or never tagged an elk then

[@juanrodriguez-mu7ko]

Awesome love the videos I’m learning from all of you guys especially Josh so thanks 🙏

[@warrenruppart8567]

Nice walkthrough, giving me good things to think about. Thanks!

[@ElkShape]

Glad to help!

[@konatriathlon]

Love to see you guys showing Day6 some love. I love those arrows.

[@Powerstroke141441]

Your content is awesome sir! You circle of friends and knowledge is top notch I have learned a lot watching you and mfjj. Keep it coming sir!

[@ElkShape]

Thanks, will do!

[@Cooldibs]

Ordered a dozen rip tko's to be built by you guys with your titanium inserts. Can't wait to get them!

[@lisavanhouten7806]

Love what you're doing! 🤘

[@zacharyboughner215]

Dan I appreciate you man! Congratulations on hitting the 100k subs now. It’s right around the corner and I am stoked for you. Appreciate the content, the pod, and especially your camp that helped me learn to be an elk hunter. Hope all keeps going well for you brother!

[@ElkShape]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@royhoglund1322]

Love it guys! ABT

[@philipentwistle1223]

Great info! More of this 🤙🏻

[@jeffmckulsky7081]

Love the tinkering content, you have truly inspired me to tinker myself rather than stay stuck in my old ways, it has helped better myself and my gear! Thank you!

[@ElkShape]

Great to hear!

[@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86]

Good choice of music bro. I really like a lot of that inserts and all that stuff you're using. I got to go back and write down everything of what it was and whatnot so I can check it out myself. But thank you for making this video and showing me all that cool shit. I appreciate it. It helps me out

[@keephammeringprospecting]

Appreciate your work mate, Watching every upload from Australia and learning each video 🤙 Keep up the good work You deserve 100k and some

[@ElkShape]

Thanks 👍

[@Wolf6151]

Remember it's always easier to make an arrow heavier, than it is to subtract weight. Shoot the lightest properly spined arrow shaft and adjust overall weight with components.

[@NathanLusk-eg1fc]

Awesome video. Really enjoyed it guys!!!

[@ElkShape]

Thanks so much!

[@tommyreed5703]

I use rip tko 27.5 with podium archery 30 grain titanium half out at 405 grains because of you guys they blow threw black tail and turkeys thanks for all the tips and testing

[@dakotamungall3546]

only 300 subs away from that 100k as of right lets goo! thanks for the amazing content!

[@redbeardracing9255]

New to the channel and loving the content and info! Thank you guys for putting out good stuff!

[@ElkShape]

Thanks for the sub!

[@shawnfoor5175]

Enjoy the videos and the collective. Hopefully this year will be the year I connect. Keep up the hard work

[@ElkShape]

I hope so too!

[@wesschubert]

Love this stuff! ABT!

[@brysonhollar]

Woody's lighted nocks blow everything else away. Give them a try. They're also cheaper and have replaceable batteries.

[@ElkShape]

We need to Check those out.

[@XXXston3wallXXX]

Thank you.

[@Pstratis541]

I’ve been shooting 4mm axis match grades with ti half outs 125gr exodus 450gr taw for over 18 months and they’re still my favorite. Super tough, super straight and hit so damn hard.

[@killnme6212]

I pray you reach your goal of 100k subscribers! I’ve been subscribed for a while now. Thanks for the cool video

[@reignsix8538]

Love your team, friends and content. When I’m deployed y’all make me feel at home and when I’m in our beloved USA it keeps me informed and motivated. Keep grinding and never ever quit doing what you love..!!

[@ElkShape]

Love that!

[@thudson391978]

Really like this video. I want to tinker with arrows more but it cost so much to just try a different set up. I have all the tools but components cost so much.

[@davidsbielawski]

I shot RIP XV’s this last year on my elk trip. They’re awesome but definitely have to expect them to break. Year before I shot the X-impacts. I loved them but didn’t find a lighted nock that I loved. I’m gonna try the halos back with the X-impacts and revisit that build. I like being able to Index my broadhead with the FOCUS system.

[@andrewkieper5613]

Just made up new arrows Friday night...B.E. Spartan 300, 27" carbon 3-fletch AAE Max Stealth... finished weight is exactly 420gn... will adjust front weight accordingly to speed and tune when the rx8 comes in

[@KilleenHunting]

It’s funny you said the Rip TKO included insert is garbage. I threw those on my 6 pack since I wanted around 50gr insert weight. Let my brother shoot my bow and he sailed that stick straight into a concrete wall. Punched a hole in the cinder block, ruined the tip, but the arrow is still perfect. I was actually impressed by how tough it was.

[@RicardoSanchez-xy5kp]

Same thing happened to me and nothing was wrong with my arrows, except I sailed mine because I forgot to move my slider back! Lol arrow perfect and still spun true!

[@Rossmanchurn]

Love it guys 💪🏼💪🏼

[@michaelbushey2787]

I stopped using fmj for that bending reason. I shot a small whitetail and it bent from hitting the ribs!! lol I went to gold tip black label. But I'm going to try some new arrows this year.

[@spodyr6]

Great information ! keep up the good work

[@ElkShape]

Thanks, will do!

[@justinalexander3931]

Awesome info guys! I’m over here in Vancouver island and would love to make my way over there one of these days!

[@ElkShape]

You should!

[@granttruax7839]

Always great videos from both of you, can we get a more in depth video on half out collars and incerts and their difference/purposes.

[@shanefredrickson9235]

I love using VAP TKO shafts. I get excellent performance at 430 total grains. 50 grain insert 100 grain broadhead.

[@helodriver20]

Nice video Dan. And congrats on the channel growth! 100k by Jan 1 !!! Let's go! BTW, when you get your KZbin plaque, shoot an arrow thru it!

[@thomasfox2150]

Really hope you hit 100k great videos as always

[@ElkShape]

So close!

[@ronaldirvineII]

Just got my elkshape hoodie today. Dan I'm honestly impressed with the quality and how well it fits. No lie I was hyped it fits how I like and was telling the wife well might as well order a few cuz they Fit so well. Thanks brother and keep up the hard work. Would love to drop by Spokane valley archery sometime but it's pretty far from the west side of Washington

[@keithcheever8186]

Great video thank you for doing vap tko is what I'm tinkering with with easton titanium inserts and so far impressed definitely going to buy Josh's inserts to try

[@alexreutov9496]

Thinking about doing this excact setup but shooting with fixed broadheads. Whats your experience with broadhead with the vaps

[@ghaugsness]

Love the Podium components! Hands down one of the best! Do agree that it would be great if manufacturers would stop including components and let people pick the components.

[@user-dv7ry4tt1k]

Hey, I have been watching your videos for some time now. And I really like them!! I was wondering if you have heard of the broadhead KUDU points?? I would love to see you put them through your Broadhead test?? And her thoughts? They are made locally in my state, Oregon USA!! Thanks for the videos!!

[@papaschuette]

Once again, I learn something I didn't know. I'm switching to .204's for next season because of watching what has worked for you guys. I will be using Podium inserts and some Elk Shape vanes for sure. Thanks for all the fun of 2023.

[@ElkShape]

Good stuff

[@zacchurch502]

I am in for the giveaway!! I have been watching for a while and love where the channel is going. I have learned so much from this channel, MFJJ, and so on. If I won the giveaway I would defiantly give my current bow setup to my hunting partner to elevate his game! Lets go 100K!!!

[@Alberta_MTN_Bear]

Dan is probably my most favorite KZbinr and channel on the KZbin.❤

[@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86]

I mean I've been using 4 mm since 2019 into 2020 and I really loved all of it. I was using Pierce platinum's and then I found the vap TK TKOs. I think it is the 4 mm. I really like them but yoon's guys got me talked into the 5 mm saying everything that injure using. I started using them. I like them but I don't know man. I really like my micros a lot. Like you said though it was the inserts and everything and then if I wanted a lighted nock there wasn't a good option at all for a while but it looks like there is now. So thank you it's very much fellas

[@donfrance3]

The lightest arrow is a good question. For anyone striving for the super speed maximum for your setup there are careful considerations to ensure you still have an ethical and realistic opportunity to shoot thru the elk's vitals "triangle of death". There is an advantage to having speed. There is an advantage to having the durability that comes with heavier arrow shaft builds. Most guys don't find the performance flat trajectory that is possible but instead go so heavy that every tenth of a yard on the laser rangefinder makes a big difference on your margin of error. In timber it is much easier to thread the needle with a light flat shooter, but you must have the ethical angle thru the kill zone. It is unreasonable to specifically shoot an animal positioned where heavy bone is likely to affect arrow penetration, heavy or light. JUST AVOID the bad angles and this arrow weight debate becomes less of an issue for penetration and boils down to what's more accurate. What's more accurate for you and your setup is totally personal as a choice. Any set-up getting above the 280 fps speed producing at least 80lbs of ke at the bow is enough for elk, assuming you have draw length or ability to pull the draw weight to accomplish this. If not then it is better to design a mid-weight super penetrating broached style and reduce/limit the length of shot taken. From a guide's perspective - the moment of truth tells a lot about the hunter. Hunter is either prepared for the task as his bow and arrow combination is capable - or the hunter is not ready; or the hunter compromises in the moment and forces the bad angle shot; and ultimately blames the equipment rather than themself. It is really more up to the hunter than the arrow. kzbin.info04w0BquZoPs?si=i4QeX6MHdPdih9NN. see more

[@jeradlene1732]

That would be an awesome give away not sure about the workout ive seen how you work out lol lookin forward to it

[@papaschuette]

Hey guys. I want to thank you again for all the outstanding tips, tricks, and general info. I finally got smart and had my brother mark one of my arrows around a 1/4" past the rest while at full draw. I found out I could cut my Gold Tip Hunter XT 340's down again from 28 1/4" to 27". Which brings my arrow weight and FOC from 469gr and 15.13%, down to 458gr and 15.54%Foc. Even when I switch to a .204 arrow, Probably the Victory RIP 300's, the weight and FOC will be around the same.

[@ElkShape]

Great to hear!

[@jakesander5438]

I’ve always been curious about the mounts on the walls. Josh’s dad was a hell of a hunter. Would be cool to see a little “story time” videos and tell a little story behind a few deer, elk whatever. I love watching both your and Josh’s content.

[@AustinSacriste]

Great video! Love the deep technical breakdowns. I’m very new to archery hunting, how does this information or the general philosophy of arrow weight change (if at all) when you start hunting smaller quicker animals such and white tail or antelope??

[@IIDASHII]

Firsly, white tail and antelope are very different, IMO. White tail (the majority of my experience) tend to be shorter shots (inside 30 yards) in, or near areas of tree cover, at relatively known range. Antelope tend to be more open shots that are longer by necessity and less forgiving. Generally, just know that you can drop the arrow weight a bit. Any well-made arrow over 350gr will do as long as there is a sharp, quality broadhead on the front, and as long as it flies straight. Personally, I like to run a bit heavier than that for white tail (430-450). I'd probably run on the lighter side of that (375-400) for antelope, given open ranges and longer shots, but at the end of the day, it comes down to experience (knowing when NOT to shoot) and being able to put your arrow where you are aiming. Your personal setup makes a big difference as well. Draw length and draw weight are big factors in arrow speed. I'd focus on building an arrow that is hitting at least 280FPS out of your setup for a forgiving trajectory, especially for antelope. For white tail, it is more about your pre-season scouting and shooting practice than it is about arrow speed and weight. I've killed several white tail with a 490gr arrow that starts at 266FPS. One of those was at 52 yards (this is a RARE shot, and I only took it because conditions where perfect. I don't recommend it.). That setup blows through deer, with the arrow burying itself 5+ inches into the ground on the other side. It is overkill, but it flies well. My point being that tinkering is great, but if you've done your homework (scouting, tuning, practice), any setup over 350gr can work.

[@jac919]

Good stuff.

[@rickd0320]

I’m just starting to peak down this rabbit hole so I’ll only ask one question, what are the benefits of half outs? I think they look cool and my educated guess is it’s a way to add weight to the front of an arrow but something tells me there’s a little more to it. Love your vids guys! You’re my go to for learning more about archery.

[@jowhi9296]

What is the arrow hang over length when you draw? I assume half inch in front if shelf?

[@MrGagliano2413]

Awesome video!! Hope the 100k subs hit quick! One question @elkshape what are your thoughts on hit inserts with a collar for 5mm arrows? Easton came out with the new collars just curious why half outs vs HIT inserts

[@ElkShape]

Yessir - I do like HIT inserts with collars as well for 5mm! -DS

[@goldtip34]

Good stuff. I would run a airstrike for lite weight setup and a Kaos for a heavy setup.

[@ElkShape]

Right on

[@cadelelon]

Perfect video to lead in to an off-season of tinkering

[@n7709k]

So I have a question pertaining to dynamic spine changes with the longer inserts/insert collar combos, basically anything thats intruding into the arrow an inch or more. Do you factor in that the effective arrow length, in terms of spine, is getting shortened by the length that the insert in inside the shaft? or does it come out a wash due to the heavy tip weight bringing an already stiff arrow back down to the spine you need?

[@briansteele1378]

Halfout with a collar is exactly what I've been looking for. Arrow shaft to halfout, halfout to collar, collar to broadhead=three points of contact. VS HIT insert (no contact with end of arrow shaft) to collar and collar to broadhead=two points of contact. I'm going to take a wild guess here but three points of contact will be more forgiving on impact than two points of contact.

[@Bowhunterlake]

I can’t wait for you to get to 100k

[@justinlancour364]

Have you ever looked at the Exodus .204 arrows? I'm curious what you think. Good videos. Enjoy them.

[@sierraridgereaper]

Good luck on the 100k, its close... 👍 As far as arrows, I'll keep my 2315's w/125 razorheads for my compound and my woodies w/160 razorheads for all my trad bows. theyve killed everything Ive shot over the last 50 yrs. Maybe about 90% pass thru. If memory serves me my longest shot w/compound was 51yds and closest was 7 yds. Trad bow longest is 25yds and closest was 8 yds. I'm a murphys law kind of guy, if it aint broke dont F with it, no point in complicating something that works...😉

[@cory.peterson.archery]

They also have some 5mm arrows that are great I've been shooting there sirius Gemini witch are 8.65 gpi a 28 inch arrow with a 75 grain insert 100 grain point nockturnal and 3 bohning x3 vanes is 470 grains

[@wvbowhunter1]

Curious your opinion on the carni-four? I’ve changed broadheads like 5 times the last three seasons and after everything I want to (I think) go to at least a three blade mech. The carnival-four is interesting. For reference I shoot 70 lbs 30.5 inch draw and 476 grain arrow. Any input is appreciated!

[@juanrodriguez-mu7ko]

Ok I’ll see you at 100k!!!

[@jasondlion]

I'm struggling to get my broadheads to hit when trying a lighted nock. Right on without them though. Any suggestions?

[@stevep6860]

waiting for you to hit 100K LFG!!

[@elliott___w]

Im doing the RIP TKO with MFJJs 30g half out. With lighted nock 100g head etc im coming in at 420g TAW. Fast and hits hard

[@cory.peterson.archery]

For a .166 ID arrow (4mm) you should check out sirius archery orion you can choose all different options for inserts witch are all made by ethics and a 300 spine is only 8.09 gpi

[@Orr_s]

Sounds killer, i have Ethics insert and collar combo on my VAP SS….wish they did titanium components though also. Maybe they do now but i built these almost 3 seasons ago

[@robbyfrazier7745]

I’m ready to come to Spokane baby! Let’s go! I was telling my wife we should look for some property in the area, I want to replace Clem. Hunting and grinding, doesn’t get any better

[@pumaa7]

Yeah baby next stop 100k

[@EntryLvloutdoors]

Switched from GT hunters with 125gn head to GT black label quantums, Easton 75gn insert, collar and 100gn head. Same 445 arrow weight but 190 up front on the quantum

[@cedricohara793]

Hey Dan, do a review of the Triple Point Clovis Helicut Broad heads! I’m curious what you think💪🏽

[@Nimrod_Archery]

Keep an eye out for our 4mm arrows we are about to release soon! 🧐😎

[@codyrowland1420]

Iv been struggling to find an arrow I can get to 400g in a 300 spine with 15%foc, using a wrap and 3 aae max stealth and 100g head. Any options besides a RIP XV?

[@blovell31]

Dan, love your videos man! Quick question tho…. Why don’t you use Sirius arrows? Especially the Sirius Orion? Would love for you to tinker with those and kind of review those. I’m sure you’d love them. Thanks for being awesome man!

[@HanzAndFranzTV]

Killer content my doods thank you, what’s your target FOC% if you had to pick an exact %? 10% good? 15% gooder? Orrr… thanks man

[@ElkShape]

15% ISH…

[@JoeWalterOutdoors]

I’ve been waiting for a video like this! I am glad MFJJ talked through his titanium components a little more. I shot the lift 33” the other day and they had me at 31.5” draw, which means when I finally make the purchase of a new bow I will need to get new arrows. The FOC talk has gone in many directions in the past two years (how long I have been in the bow game). What is MFJJ magical FOC % and how would he go about making a cross over hunting and 3D target arrow at 31”.5 draw length? Dan I would like your input too!

[@southernairgun7744]

I’m shooting rip tko 300 at 70 lbs 30 in draw and kept getting nock high. We had to drop my poundage to 64 to get the nock high down? Any suggestions?

[@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86]

Dude, as much as your workout would kill me I would try to survive. But I would love to have that opportunity at winning that let's go 100k

[@jowhi9296]

I thought the collars were being expressed as a better option than outsert systems because the outserts create more flex further out on the arrow shaft?

[@nicfield6895]

Josh should get you to shoot that straight up VAP. They are all the things that make a great 4MM, and they are bullet proof suited with the right components.

[@parkerlipetzky]

I'd like to see a video with all the different after market grips available. Chris bee, elk shape, and the new ones Tim Gillingham has available.

[@jmyhre7340]

I've had issues with losing Halo's on the shot. Easton Axis 5mm 260 and 300 spine. Seem tight but still lose them. Do you ever add a touch of glue?

[@coltoncassell2639]

I shoot x-impacts alot for field archery. I ended up using Josh's Ti 50gr inserts and halo nocks for hunting this year. Extremely impressed with the halo nocks. I shot the absolute guts out of them, more than some people probably shoot in a lifetime. Total setup with a Grim Reaper weighted 390gr. Killed a coyote with it. I then switched over to a RIP TKO setup with Josh's insert, total arrow weight 433gr. Killed a doe, so far, with a shwacker Levi edition on the front. Full pass through at 40yds with 1" entry wound and 2" exit. Dead in 3 seconds with a massive blood trail.