Lighting Circuit - New Build Method with a Twist

[@nialbuckley5785]

ive thought about this before it would be much better future proofing doing this, even with the old method with feeds at the light, you can send the neutral to the switch via 3 core, its so good it works both ways haha 💡 great video

[@retrozmachine1189]

Taking the neutral to the switch in this way if you arrange things so the neutral is between the permanent live and switched wires would also address continually glowing or blinking lights when the switch is off too (capacitive coupling)

[@lunavx]

Why haven't they made a ceiling rose with wago holders instead of those brass screws yet...

[@GaryHall-he2ff]

Spoke to Wago development engineer at installer show earlier in the year. He tried to get a Wago ceiling rose off the ground. He needed a partner and none of the big accessory names were interested due to the high end cost of the product. I pointed out that it would be an installer choice and a balance between cost and labour time. Another aspect is that as you get older and wear bifocals you are looking through the wrong part of the lens when wiring ceiling fittings and a Wago fitting would help with this.

[@billdoodson4232]

I think that if you wanted lever type Wagos, even the smallest 221's would be too big. Although I totally agree with you, they'd be so much better, I really hate ceiling roses. These days I try to fit Quickwire connectors of some type when doing ceiling lights.

[@lunavx]

@@billdoodson4232 I tend to do loop in loop out in a wago box and bring a tail out to the rose now

[@billdoodson4232]

@@lunavx Yes, did that last week, but used one of those Quickfix JB's, I like the way they hold in the 221 Wago's, better than the actual Wago boxes.

[@kevinlawes591]

@@lunavx No flys on us 2! 😉👍🏻👍🏻

[@scottneilson7428]

Hi, great video, very clear. In your demo, perhaps for clarity, you have omitted the looping twin and cpc to the next room/zone. Let's assume this would have been in the switch, looping from switch to switch. That's the way I would do it and I like the concept of the 3c and cpc to the light fitting. The only downside is where the circuit might be 2 way, and it can start to get a bit busy at the switch, a deeper box defo gonna help.

[@TonySmall-w3c]

Superb, everything you do is presented so clearly, thank you

[@GSHElectrical]

@@TonySmall-w3c thanks for the positive comment

[@daves4026]

Really nice explanation thanks

[@Wiltshire-observer]

Having the permanent live and neutral with earth at the light switch, is great if you want to install wall lights. I did this in a new build property, albeit the walls were all stud walls.

[@steve11211]

Did this on a rewire recently, but did it the other way round, did the old method and just had a 3core and cpc down to the switch...

[@GSHElectrical]

Nice

[@tomc550]

Done that as well, allows for smart control in switch with deep back box as well but never thought of this. Obvious when think about it, appreciated, thank you.

[@barrydoherty636]

Great video, well done.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thank you very much!

[@idriselmi4101]

Cheers gary

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks

[@Bari_Khan_CEng_CMarEng]

Garry what the hell! Why are we now not doubling over the conductors for a ceiling rose? After all the times you've advocated for it!

[@NaeemKhan-kc9bx]

Great video

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks!

[@shanebyrne6404]

Great idea

[@richardskinner2080]

What's the purpose of trying to "deneutralise" black? Definitely seems more logical to use it as neutral to me. Having live (albeit switched) on a black cable only seems to bring more risk of confusion.

[@alfredbatchelor1954]

For give me, but didn’t we have a ring circuit originally, before we joined EU. Where you had a live and neutral loop? Is this not a case of the EU got it wrong because the U.K. was years ahead of Europe, but had adopted a lower standard because of ONORM’s!

[@sabudjed1135]

Thanks

[@GSHElectrical]

No problem

[@barrygray9693]

Clever

[@andysims4906]

Just a word of warning. Although you have done it the correct way. Its not uncommon to see other people use the black for neutral and not the grey. I was on a job the other day done by a so called NIC professional house basher and he had used the black on smoke alarms for the neutral. The point is .if in doubt always check and test

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for your thoughts and experiences

[@samoldman5776]

Nothing wrong with black as neutral. As long as its sleeved either end you can use what you want (just not an earthing conductor)

[@johnadams1976]

wish my house had been wired like this!!! I've swapped 3 switches over to NSPanelPro devices.... running the neutral was a pain!!!

[@rafique470]

What is advantage of using two plate circuit

[@mralan652]

Hi, what is the wire stripper you are using instead of the knife? Thanks

[@rayc1503]

Google 'automatic twin and earth wire stripper'. There are plenty of different variants, same tool just branded differently.

[@shamrockshore6308]

Why not just use t+e plus a single brown for either the feed or switchwire?

[@SparkyMarky-s8b]

Lovely idea and something i would do in my own home. However, while we are wasting money, why not bring all cables to a central point? Then you can choose what's live, neutral or switched. Future proofing is a great idea, but few customers value it over cost, and while you are morally doing the right thing, you have lost out to the quote using suface trunking and pendulum fittings.

[@simonmac4291]

While you are at it you could make them all 4mm* and terminate them in a giant patch panel like a CAT5 install. /S (You never know someone might want to install a projector from a ceiling rose in the future)

[@alexkemp6165]

Good idea but might get a bit cramped with downlight circuits

[@LeeWelch-n8l]

Firsly, the customer must agree, unless it is a new build, especially if there is extra costs for doing this.

[@MrFiver1111]

The cheekiest way would be to remove the CPC sleeve for a brown or grey sleeve and use that as the switching line and the insulated brown as the permanent live, but thats very illegal 😅

[@fjspicer1]

I know that this is only a demo but that plastic box needs to be 25mm deep. I always install round plastic conduit and 25 mm deep metal boxes for flush light switches

[@andysims4906]

Totally agree. That’s the way I would do it ,but if the chase is not to deep I would use oval conduit

[@simonmac4291]

Does anyone make a twin brown + blue cable? (Though ideally a brown / brown with white trace and blue, with the trace to aid in installation)

[@stevenhopkins2925]

the problem is that the DIYers are back to messing up the colours again. Loop in is exactly the same issues but saves all those extra connections at the switch.

[@darrenpodger7294]

Where does 3 core connect in consumer unit

[@ases5004]

Twin and Earth from the consumer unit to the first switch in the circuit, then 3 core from switch to ceiling rose.

[@stuartandrews4344]

Was taught this method 40 years ago to use 3 core +E cable by a brilliant instructor at college.

[@GrahamCottrell-t5s]

Why not wire it in 3 plate and just run a 3 core down to the switch

[@wayneself7319]

Dam you are only just doing this........

[@colinsmith6280]

this is a old idea revived it still in place on old house's not modernised

[@gadgetman36]

If the video is over 3 minutes long it should be horizontal, not vertical. This is neither a short, nor a long form video. I'm sorry but I'm not watching it.

[@MS-Patriot2]

We’re gutted.

[@barrygroves2046]

😂 Bet they are worried now your not watching.

[@sean89n]

Lol

[@peterandrewwilson976]

It simulates a short-arse student watching from behind two tall students; viewing the lecturer from between their heads.

[@ases5004]

You probably spent longer constructing and editing a comment saying you're not watching the video than watching it 😂

[@octymocty132]

And this is why you jave accidents though we were harmonised obvsioly not. And obvious its been doen to confuse ever one again as in my feild brown and gry is live and blk is neutrall . Just trying to make it easy for no elec iddiots to say theyer electrical

[@keoghrichard1988]

It’s actually common practice NOT to use the black as a neutral to reduce confusion, as black is now a colour used for Line conductor

[@GSHElectrical]

Nice comment… thanks

[@jeremykemp3782]

Great idea