Lightyear COULD have been Great BUT...

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[@CellSpex]

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[@yusuf513]

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[@MouseGoat]

You should def talk about Amphibia, its such a great return to old classic fantasy world building. The ending was well bit to rushed, and i wished they had taken that world building more serous, tho its was already a lot for a Disney show i gues. But the characters, oh woa the characters in this show

[@Spyro757]

Yes you should 12:40

[@jamiegameplaythrough9485]

*IT'S BETTER THAN GREAT, IT'S PEEERFEEEEECT!!!*

[@OneNationUnderPug]

I think by biggest problem with the movie is it doesn’t have 70’s-90’s view about space travel. The idea that you could explore the universe and see all these new planets and Ailen culture and be real cowboy. This movie has a more modern veiw of space travel where it sucks like a lot.

[@meow-rr1gd]

That's where the problem comes for me too but i understand it. A lot of people just didn't understand what exactly this movie is and where it sat in the toy story universe. It's a little complicated so they had to make something that both felt like the movie andy watched so it made sense but also is a stand alone - ish movie so those who didn't get it could still watch and like it. Those two just kinda cancel each other out tho so making a movie with authentic 80 /90s vibe that doesn't feel cheap compared to today and a movie for the average enjoyer is hard to pull off. Unfortunately they failed at that which is a shame, cuz the movie had a lot of cool elements.

[@Ian-pm6ml]

Exactly! It wasn't the lighthearted space adventure story to defend the galaxy and defeat Emperor Zurg. It was more like, I almost killed all of the people on the Carrier ship because of actions and I must live with the guilt and depression on my conscience now that everyone is marooned on an alien planet and the only way for me to redeem myself is to practically destroy everything I have and almost destroy meyself in the process to right that wrong......I grew up in the 90s, I was 5 when the original Toy Story came out and when I was a kid and I would also watch Buzz Lightyear of Star Command in the mornings before school. There was never anything that heavy at least that I can remember during that time for kids movies. I know that with all of those movies there were more adult related topics woven in but, this was like they just threw out any source material they had built over the years and tried to incorporate an Interstellar type of storyline into a Buzz Lightyear movie for kids. For an origin story I think they could have made it less serious but that just my opinion.

[@theoutlook55]

​@@Ian-pm6mlPixar movies nearly always tend to have big emotional stakes and try to go beyond fun, simple adventures (Cars 2 being an unsuccessful exception). The TV cartoon was not a Pixar production.

[@IvanTheGhostboy]

Tbh, as much as I liked the film, I have to admit, I thought it was gonna be a space exploration film too. But you know, I still liked it

[@boydixonentertainment]

Personally, I never had the full on sense that Andy HAD to have any prior knowledge of Buzz before unwrapping his gift. Stinky Pete did say everyone was greatly favouring spacemen toys so what could happen was Andy saw a commercial instead of a full on movie and begged his mom to have it or his friend group at school wouldn’t stop chatting about it and they convinced him he needed to have it and only truly got crazy into Buzz’s character after that faithful birthday. But I wasn’t born in the 90s so it’s just my best assumptions.

[@eatatjoes6751]

This is why the cartoon existed. I was thinking he saw episodes of the show at one point, saw the commercials, and then begged Mom for the toy. *NOPE. APPARENTLY NOT.*

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

Well I was and the commercial makes more sense than this. No western kids movie in the 90s is gonna be like this, heck closest thing I can think of is prince of Egypt except they commited to their themes and everyone didnt look constipated not to mention it wasn't all dark looking. Evangelion was lightyears ahead of us on these mature themes and still is but no 90s kids in the u.s. as a viable audience would know that because they only consumed the censored stuff.

[@scentedpapers6569]

That's most likely the case, as toy commercials were RAMPANT from the 80s-early 2000s. Toy companies would blow budgets to market their latest product, and it's kind of a case of 'Andy falls for the advertising, but because the Buzz toy was good/interesting enough, it got him to watch the Space Command movie and or TV show.'

[@felipevaldes3487]

I remember seeing a commercial about LEGO City's police station and man, I begged for it SO MUCH that I eventually got it. I didn't even need to watch The LEGO Movie to know I truly wanted that set INSTEAD of the movie themed products. Sooo..

[@BP-dn9nv]

Born in 97, and that's the idea that I always got too.

[@vash3055]

Plot hole change my mind: Sox is a robot and should be able to remember the formula. Also why is a colony size spaceship, the turnip, main engine running on a crystal that they don't know how to recreate? I can understand the year or more to build a base, mine for materials, stand the ship up/fix, but why do they need to reinvent crystal technology? This is like early sailors, crash landing on a island, but then to get of they need to reinvent how to make a boat float. The turnip was mostly intact, they also have access to most of their data archives. I see very little reason to think they did not have access to all the data on their original crystal fuel source to recreate from the planet's materials. Also it is highly illogical to think that the ship would not have backup plans for the loss of the main crystal fuel source. Besides that why is Sox the only AI doing theoretical calculations to solve to fuel issue and only after the first test flight? More AI/people at it would have gotten the solution faster if they worked together. This way they would have limited Buzz's maned test flights.

[@profwaldone]

They didn't need to reinvent the tech. They had to make a new formula based on the resources that this planet can provide. Though that makes little sense from a realistic standpoint. Especially since they seem to be orbit capable and could have mined some asteroids for more rate elements.

[@ИванСнежков-з9й]

To add to the pile... Destroying the crystal fuel in the crash probably means a huge explosion, that would obliterate the ship and part of the planet. That's probably why they don't have a second canister of the stuff, in case the first goes boom. (Still they could eject the unstable one and use a backup.) I'll add the absurd notion that the faster you travel, the slower you travel. Buzz goes around their sun for 4 years with bellow hyperspeed, and when he finally reaches hyperspeed, he travels the same distance for 20 years. He has to travel with near speed of light speed to get relativistic time dilation effects. That means that their sun is 2 light years from the planet... Our Sun is 8 light minutes away. The closes star to our Sun is 4 light years.

[@vash3055]

@@profwaldone I understand, they may have had different materials, but the science of crystal fuel can't be that different from what data they have from the creation of the original. Or is this crystal something star command just stumbled across like how old buzz found the Zerg technology. Also there should have been at least some fuel contingency for such a critical fuel source on a colony ship/mission like their's.

[@vash3055]

@@ИванСнежков-з9й they must have had some contingency for fuel. Based on how they are able test fuel mixes like a paint store can select a color mixture. The materials they add seem to be fine stored separately. Otherwise it would not be collocated like a soda fountain.

[@ИванСнежков-з9й]

@@slimerewoods5766 The problem is that the authors of the movie do not understand how relativistic travel works. You might want to check "Twins paradox" on wikipedia. If light travels from the sun to the planet for 2 minutes, then if Buzz moves with light speed, it would take him almost the same time to do so (or 99.99995%). (Use the planet as reference frame, to avoid unneeded confusion.) If you take 2 years to travel a distance that the light travels for 2 minutes, you are not anywhere close to light speed. Have in mind, speed of light it absolute, it is constant in any reference frame. Time and space bend to make sure of that. Time dilation would mean that Buzz would experience less time, than the people who were watching him travel at near light speed. So 2*2minute trip around the sun would take him less than 4 minutes ship time. If Buzz was not traveling a fixed distance, everything would have been physically correct. They could have told him... run the hyperdrive at max power for 2 minutes (ship time). Then the faster he goes, the more distance he would travel and thus more time would have passed on the planet.

[@michaelsamerdyke108]

"Gave William Shatner an Iron Man suit designed by the Jetson." That is a great summing up of Buzz Lightyear's design!

[@auliamate]

I found it fine personally. I do admit, Sox is my favorite character. Personally wish they fleshed out the other rookies outside Alicia's granddaughter more and yes, that they made the story a little less awkward. Solid 7/10, would watch again if forced to, wouldn't watch again by choice. And I gotta give some love to the expansive landscape scenes of the planet, chef's kiss beautiful honestly.

[@GojiraFan-in9oo]

"Hi. I'm Captain America. Here to talk to you about one of the most valuable traits a soldier or student can have: patience. Sometimes patience is the key to victory. Sometimes it leads to very little, and it seems like it's not worth it, and you wonder why you waited so long for something so disappointing."

[@Leomoon101]

I am so glad CellSpex reviewed this movie. In fact, I came out of the theaters thinking to myself, it wasn't Pixar's best, but it certainly wasn't Pixar's worst either. It was mid-tier.

[@JT_Toons]

Still not what they should do

[@mikeyfrederick1232]

Just came upon your content and just had to say I'm a fan lol..everything you cover is super insightful and interesting..you can def see all the hard work you put into vids.. Had to add Amphiba is a work of art

[@leebulger7112]

Lightyear is already a "KZbin critic punching bag".

[@Arufonsa1]

That’s so sad. It really doesn’t deserve it.

[@EightThreeEight]

Because homophobic grifters.

[@leebulger7112]

@@EightThreeEight I was not thinking that at all.

[@aimeeinkling]

I find that Disney films increasingly have a creeping blandness. It's infected Pixar. It's infected the MCU. They have such strict standards of what can and can't be done in the films, that the story is damaged. I see this same blandness in "Thor - Love and Thunder." I suspect it had a more interesting script that was slowly whittled down so that it could be the easiest to digest version possible.

[@KingzzzYT]

the vine. DO IT for the VINE.

[@sweetdreams1028]

I personally really enjoyed it. I agree it could've been a but better, but it's not another Cars 2. Every time Sox was on screen I smiled. My whole audience even gasped when he almost fell into space. I'd say my biggest disappointment was Zurg. He did well to the message but he could've been better. I did really like Izzy as well and I related to her thing of doing Space related stuff but is scared of Space itself. I feel like people just have their expectations too high for Pixar. Any time something considered not great by them gets beaten to the ground. Overall, though I wouldn't say in my top five, still something enjoyable. Plus, that kiss of those two women though >->

[@ultracommander8368]

Cars 2 was never a bad movie, people just see what’s there on the surface, I usually take a look at every nook and corner before I say something, and really lots of things in this movie were cuttable and added to get a criteria of sales, it was pretty obvious. Honestly they should’ve just taken more inspiration from the kids show

[@Marksman3434]

I feel like the story they show in the film is WAY too different to fit even with the toys and games we see in Toy Story 1 and 2, and especially the Star Command animated series. Doesn’t feel at all like the kind of movie that Andy in the 90s would’ve fallen in love with. The film feels like it started out as a totally original sci-fi spacefaring story that had so much cool potential and then half-way through the writing of the script, they felt they had to shoehorn Buzz Lightyear as the protagonist for merchandising purposes and to attract adults with nostalgia bait and effectively derailing the script to try to adapt it around him, and being constrained by this hurt the story more than helped.

[@ZeeWee910]

Now I'm going to watch the cartoon cause I didn't know it existed and I'm curious

[@pyroticfilms8697]

Yes! Please talk about The Owl House and Amphibia!

[@in7minutesorless]

Plot twist: Andy's Buzz Lightyear was a bootleg toy

[@Detrifus]

Lightyear: Trying (and Failing) to Grab Things

[@Purtle]

Toy Storys interesting. I don't remember much from the series but it's always been iconic in my childhood.

[@thomasplays2855]

i wish BLoSC Show was on Disney+

[@nova8747]

Personally, I really enjoyed the movie, didn't care much for the LGBT stuff thrown in, but otherwise thought it was solid. Then again, I probably only enjoyed it due to it being sci-fi, and the fact that I never cared for the original Toy Story movies.

[@th_Wall_Boi]

And they only used David Bowie in the trailer. How dare you Disney use Starman for a space movie without it playing in the actual film

[@onepresence9460]

Unpopular opinion: I actually enjoyed this movie. I had a good time watching it. Of course it's definitely not amazing, not the best current Pixar movie, but i didn't think it was that bad. The animation was breathtaking, absolutely beautiful to look at, the soundtrack was pretty good, Buzz was cool (His Toy counterpart is obviously better) and i liked the side characters (Except for Zurg). In general, i thought it was good. Not great, but not terrible. I give it 6.5/10.

[@jjstarA113]

While I also felt the movie was generally okay but undercooked, I do wish more people would...go see it anyway, just so Pixar isn't banished to Disney+ forever? Then again, maybe this Toy Story spin-off succeeding in the box office wouldn't have convinced Disney to keep their original movies like Elemental in theaters. But dammit, I just wanna see my favorite movie studio stay on the big screen!

[@ztslovebird]

Spider-Man & his Amazing Friends doesn’t exactly mirror the tone or the continuity of the MCU Spider-Man films or Into the Spiderverse. And there are major differences between the MCU and the two Avengers cartoons that aired during Phases 1, 2, and 3.

[@ilikethecokev2]

"Star Command will come to Disney+ any day, now." Disney: Yeah.... no.

[@wahoo8683]

If this movie was suppose Inspire Andy to get Buzz Lighyear, then why wasn't Sox Included either as a Bonus B-Day Gift?

[@alanaw4489]

I think the director recently said on Twitter that sox was sold out and Andy's mom couldn't find him

[@wahoo8683]

@@alanaw4489 Aah! So my other thoery was right! And I thought having them together be e expensive because Sox was the most popular to easily get sold out first and didn't had anymore! Still wonder what Sox Is dong nowadays or what he truly like In the Toy Story's Main Headcannon?

[@glitchking2801]

@@alanaw4489 that honestly just feels like a cheep explanation for a plot hole which could easily be fixed by just making light year a modern day reboot

[@jinoratheairnomad9777]

Because his friends thought he’d rather have bedsheets

[@Anna-vq4tr]

maybe andy didn’t like cats idk

[@autistichuman1401]

To answer the question should you talk about Amphibia/and The Owl House? YES! These shows are awesome and hilarious, (while also being dark at times.) and of course, are totally worth talking about! I would also love for you to talk about Dead End: Paranormal Park, because i feel like that deserves a short video, i hope there's a second season considering that ending scene in the final episode.

[@quicksilveryt4000]

This is correct

[@sillygoosetaur]

"hey mom.. i'm home"

[@vixiestarfire]

@@sillygoosetaur 😭

[@thekitkatlizard8661]

I'm 99% sure it's one of those '1 season is split into 2 seasons by netflix' shows, p sure season 2 already mostly exists without it needing to be greenlit, like with cuphead etc

[@quartzossie]

@@thekitkatlizard8661 I hope not! I just discovered it yesterday and I’m already enthralled!

[@chazjohannsen]

This “grounded, solemn, realist tone and art style” would’ve been suited better to a story about a real life, in-universe NASA astronaut who’s feats and exploits as test pilot (callsign BUZZ) inspired the whole Buzz Lightyear toy and media franchise. They could’ve matched the tone of Soul as a mature story adults could relate to, which could’ve been a prestige, Oscar-worthy movie that also pushed Pixar as a studio. But as it stands, it’s a lame-duck that failed to launch.

[@NickName183]

Yes this. That’s what I thought it was going to be when first announced. And I think there could’ve been a cute post-credit sequence where a few executives approach Buzz about wanting to make a cartoon about his adventures.

[@chorofapski]

@@NickName183 me too thats what i thought the movie was going to be about based on the looks of it alone

[@cousinparty7266]

It probably is gonna get nominated though. Everyone knows the Oscars pick a Disney or Pixar film because they care so much about animation.

[@hunterolaughlin]

Could we please not have another Pixar film win the Best Animated Feature Oscar? They already have enough as is: 11 Oscars.

[@theamazinggarbage3209]

@@hunterolaughlin ??? Not really a Pixar or Disney issue

[@ArchOfWinter]

Aesthetically, I wish there are more visual diversity. Where are the aliens? Kinda boring that there are only human. Also architecturally, is bland. The old cartoon has this art deco visual trait. I wish we saw that in the big turnip ship so it stands out against the brutalist built for survival and practical focus colony. Age the art deco turnip every time time jump and then at the very end, we see the newest ship Buzz and his team flies off on shares the classic art deco design.

[@eatatjoes6751]

The turnip clashes so much with the general dull planet of this movie.

[@edwind8071]

yea i was kinda waiting for the green “the clawwwww” aliens to show up lol

[@hunterhancock474]

My unhinged conspiracy theory is that the creators wanted to create a PG-13 Pixar film. Remembering that initial trailer, and with how close to release it was before we even knew the rating, I think they were trying to do something significantly more mature when the execs got spooked and forced some serious story rewrites. To me, that would explain a lot of the tonal problems and missed opportunities.

[@carsfan1995]

Ehh… I feel like that was always a conspiracy theory based on the impression of the teaser being “serious” and “dark.” Yes because the teaser has no jokes it’s suddenly darker and more mature movie. People said the same thing about the Cars 3 teaser. Remember? Mute colors, none of the faces being shown, then Lightning McQueen crashes and dies? People really want Disney and Pixar to make anime or PG-13 animation when… it’s not who their demographic is. They write to appeal to all audiences including kids.

[@Amayram21]

Ehhh probably not… it’s a nice thought tho 👍

[@Murillos1]

@@carsfan1995 True, but Pixar didn't do their movies this 'dumbed down' before. Monsters Inc., The Incredibles, Cars, and Ratatouille are adult stories disguised as kids movies. Their writing is what makes them still hold up to this day.

[@carsfan1995]

@@Murillos1 How old are you because I feel like a lot of that is nostalgia. What do you define as being “dumbed out”

[@Murillos1]

@@carsfan1995 Dumbed down I meant, sorry. I'm 26, and nostalgia isn't a factor since I enjoyed Cars 2 and Toy Story 4. (The only ones from the last decade) Pixar hasn't been good for 10 years now and I'm not alone in that statement: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joGvlmSejrygf68

[@PaulW_ftPAULK]

I really appreciate that all the reviews I've seen are referencing the original Buzz cartoon. That always felt to me (I just had the movie pilot) like that's what the toy came with, a cartoon show for kids based on aliens and lasers. I love the part when X-R (the robot) is reading the manual and the four of them end up in a hilarious argument about nose earrings that always kept me laughing, even now.

[@PaulW_ftPAULK]

Aah!! Thank you Cellspex! I love your reviews so much!

[@NobodyC13]

"At least this brought more attention to Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, which I expect will come to Disney+ any day now. . ." I don't know, I doubt they will. I've been waiting for Aladdin: The Series to be on Disney+ ever since it launched, and it's been 2.5 years.

[@carsfan1995]

It’s because Pixar probably doesn’t want to acknowledge that exist. They really don’t like the cartoon.

[@psychotophatcat]

I didn't realize the Aladdin series wasn't on there. What a waste :(

[@carlotta4th]

Considering Disney has its own streaming service it sure sucks at adding stuff to it, they are ODDLY hesitant to adding anything but their already popular films! I'd cut Disney+ in a heartbeat.

[@VoidNull9222]

I mean, there’s still hope. I thought we’d never get Adventures in Wonderland on Disney+ and that got added last year

[@emblemblade9245]

Where do people even watch it if it’s not there? I’ve heard a lot of people talking about rewatching it

[@BugsyFoga]

Imagine if it was a big budget adaptation of star command, now that would’ve been awesome.

[@mguymario]

It's the other way around according to the Directer

[@crcoghill]

@@mguymario yeah yeah~ the movie got a spin-off series and toy line. still: when the "spin-off" is better maybe it's not the audience that's wrong.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Or just even Star command on Disney plus like come on Disney give it to us already

[@goursaol6463]

That won't happen as long as Disney

[@carsfan1995]

@@dissonanceparadiddle They haven’t because Pixar doesn’t like that series. They weren’t involved in making it, so they wanted to make their own “origin of the Buzz Lightyear toy” they just didn’t count on that many people remembering and having nostalgia for the animated series.

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

Someone commented this should’ve been Andy’s first film he works on after graduating Art School and ya know THAT is the kind of movie that would’ve been way more interesting. Andy and his team working trying to make a big comeback for a nostalgic property they love but maybe modern audiences just consider outdated 90s trash. Have them deal with writers block, creative differences, maybe those show up in the characters and story, and the studio telling them what they can and can’t do. But given that whole Alex Hirsch thing recently where he aired all the tiny stuff Disney wouldn’t let him put in Gravity Falls that may be too close to home. This is honestly just wishful thinking but there aren’t enough animated movies ABOUT making animated movies, the closest I can think of are some anime and certain cartoon episodes.

[@hannahdigioia692]

I'd love a movie about the creative process!

[@Dudofall]

Yeah, there's an episode in Paranoia Agent about making Anime.

[@nickthepick8043]

You sir, are brilliant. I had a similar idea once or twice, but this is excellent! This could also serve as an educational/tool of perspective for people who don't understand the process of making artistic films and just expect to get something to consume. The real hook for this is that this is Andy we're talking about. This is his movie, inspired by his love for Buzz and Woody. It would make his personal struggles as a protagonist harder, because we see how hard it is to be a kid inside when you're an adult. In the end, there could be a scene where (Admittedly a bit cheesey), where Woody Reunites with the gang after Toy Story 4 to watch Andy's films in a Drive-in Carnival Theatre. After all, nobody said Woody would be separated from the other toys forever, so it could also mend those wounds the audience felt after Toy Story 4.

[@PHOENIXGUNDAM]

Agreed, also animation runner Kuromi is a classic

[@wrenbeck3370]

Yes! Finally, someone else points out how this film should have been an in-universe reboot! Edit: also, while watching this I noticed that the team's shoulderpads look kinda like the Praetor Suit, making the pre-release memes comparing Lightyear to Doom more apt.

[@alibrennan5977]

That’s what they should’ve done with that!

[@joshuajoe1419]

Honestly that would have been to complicated to market but it’s my head cannon at least.

[@Deepdarkbasement]

… Now I want Pixar to make a DOOM or Quake Movie because why not?

[@wrenbeck3370]

@@Deepdarkbasement I have always believed that the only way a Doom movie could actually be good is if it was animated...

[@carsfan1995]

Because Pixar didn’t want you to remember/like the Star Command cartoon. They don’t like it. That’s why they kept trying to push that this movie is what the Buzz Lightyear toy is based on, not the cartoon show. They only mention the cartoon within the last month most likely because they were sick of people whining and asking where the characters from that show are, why they’re not being mentioned, etc.

[@DwarfDaddy]

This isn’t the movie that Andy watched, this is the Bayformers-esque reboot. Buzz Lightyear of Star Command is what Andy watched and you can’t tell me otherwise

[@carsfan1995]

Pixar clearly wishes people didn’t remember that. Not when they hated that.

[@canaldohector]

I think its more of a netflix-esque reboot

[@DwarfDaddy]

@@canaldohector nah cause I actually like some Netflix reboots.

[@canaldohector]

@@DwarfDaddy not in the sense of being bad, but in style. Lightyear is more of a modern serious sci-fi unlike the toy buzz who was a classic cheesy sci-fi

[@DwarfDaddy]

@@canaldohector Ah THAT I agree with.

[@misterzygarde6431]

I imagine if this was the film that Andy saw as a kid, I’d imagine Sox would’ve been in Buzz Lightyear of Star Command *in-universe*

[@phousefilms]

Word of God was that Sox was out of stock when Andy's mom tried to get it for him.

[@pumkin610]

What if there was a toy recall on all sox toys in Andy's world that would be something lol

[@SpideyfanX]

@@phousefilms That just sounds like a BS Excuse to cover up the plot holes of the movie. Even if Sox was sold out, Andy would never want a Buzz toy that's based on this boring reboot.

[@christheleavittman7080]

The director did say the in universe reason why Sox wasn’t in BLoSC was because loads of cartoons based on films didn’t include many of the film’s characters. My personal headcanon is Sox went on to star in a separate cartoon a la UniKitty.

[@kou7191]

​@@christheleavittman7080 The reverse happened in Tangled. The wedding clip is canon, but none of the show's main or support characters appear in it, we're just made to pretend Cass, Lance and everyone else were just offscreen.

[@liambiniares3182]

I personally really enjoyed the movie. However, I think it would of worked more if they made a completely original Buzz Lightyear film that wasn’t insistent on telling us that this was the same film Andy saw that made him want the toy. Removing that blurb at the beginning would of fixed all that. Heck, they could even just said that this was done kind of modern reboot of Buzz Lightyear (like what you said). I think people were probably expecting the movie to feel more similar to Star Command Tv series, with aliens, robots, different planets, space battles, etc and instead they decided to go a direction that felt a little unoriginal and standard. I just watched a video from Flicks in the City, where she stated that Zurg was originally going to be Buzz’s father (like in Toy Story 2) but they scrapped it because it would of been to obvious, both to people who have seen either Toy Story 2 or the Empire Strikes Back (the film the twist was parodying). To me this film felt like a project that was clearly made with good intentions and creative talent, however they prioritised subverting expectations for the sake of not being predictable, and as a result it only made audiences ask more questions. There’s nothing wrong with having a predictable story, as long as the characters are engaging enough to the audience to where you would want to see how they would react to it. It didn’t need to be a movie within a movie. just make it a new movie with a new version of a familiar character.

[@swishfish8858]

What I find hilarious is that the movie doesn't INSIST on any of that; like you said, it's literally just a blurb at the beginning. I also totally hate that part and find it pointless, but I must have some magical superpower that nobody else has to ignore little details like that because the rest of the movie is TOTALLY unaffected to me. So many people dwelled on that opening that I couldn't help but to wonder why.

[@liambiniares3182]

@@swishfish8858 I can’t speak for others, but from what I’ve heard, a lot of the criticism seems to be that the movie is not what people expected a Buzz Lightyear solo movie would be. This is canonical film in the TS universe, and it doesn’t really match the tones of what little we have of the Buzz Lightyear lore.

[@thekitkatlizard8661]

Alternate movie: Buzz finds out the space warlord is his daddy halfway trough and the rest of the movie is a father-son comedy

[@swishfish8858]

@@liambiniares3182 Yeah fair, but again I must have some superpower nobody else does, because I don't care. I love the old show, but I like this new movie, too. I dunno.

[@liambiniares3182]

@@swishfish8858 oh no I loved it too (It’s a Pixar film I can’t ever hate them) I just think it would of worked more if they just made it it’s own thing and not tried to forcefully tie it to Toy Story.

[@thegeekclub8810]

My brother is pretty die-hard with Disney-Pixar, and even he was like “I’m not interested in this movie”, which really goes to show how strong the fatigue for these extended franchises are. He’s taken a similar approach to the live-action remakes ever since Beauty and the Beast.

[@michaeltsang1748]

I just ignore the "Andy watched this" part and enjoyed it for what it is. It had a good setup, with some nice action. I will admit it was lacking. Also, I'm surprised you didn't talk about Zurg. He was a major disappointment for me. I just wanted a tyrannical menacing evil emperor robot.

[@Loremastrful]

I would've steered into the skid. Have this movie be Andy's first film. He went to college (CalArts) and this is his first big project. One of his toy adventures he half remembers from his childhood. He could go through different drafts of Buzz before arriving at the final one that's like 75% earnest hero and 25% dorky goofball. This whole losing precious time theme feels as forced and clunky as it did in the Lost in Space movie (also a relic of the 90s)

[@AlexandraStubbs]

Oh my gosh, that is such a good idea! Yess I agree with you completely.

[@toon4thought]

There's something inherently painful to me about seeing what was clearly a big labor of love from the artists and animators get bogged down by a story that *really* should've been more ironed out. Honestly, I find the film on the whole akin to "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" in that regard, in that its ambitions in the tone and technicals make me admire the film on some level and want to love it - but it just *couldn't* escape the typical trappings of the studio and it makes those parts stand out all the more.

[@IsaacIsaacIsaacson]

Unfortunately, it seems that big executives kill a lot of what could've been good films.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Blame Angus McLane, who pretty much whined on Twitter when the negative reception started rolling in.

[@reasyrandom]

@@supadead Even the hack-neyed twist villain was better executed. That's when you know you fucked up.

[@carsfan1995]

@@supadead Well at the time Atlantis got mixed to negative reviews complaining about the characters and story and that Disney was corporate. Movies like Treasure Planet and Atlantis were seen as corporate in the early-2000s by critics. I’m sure in ten years nostalgia will have historical revisionists saying how Lightyear was good. It always happens.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@carsfan1995 ) wasn't the criticism more about how they were "un Disney"?

[@drewforchic9083]

SPOILERS I just can't get over the fact that Evil Emperor Zurg (TM) is neither actually evil, nor an Emperor, nor named Zurg. More to the point, I can't help but notice that the movie really doesn't fit in with any of the "Buzz Lightyear lore" we get from the Toy Story movies. The plot Toy Buzz believes in is a Star Wars knockoff, and we see the tie-in game and learn Zurg is Buzz's father in TS2... But this movie, supposedly the source of those things, contradicts all of them. I don't really care, but it just feels like a weird choice when you're trying to establish that this is the movie Toy Buzz is based on, while Toy Buzz seems to have memories and characterization from a different movie entirely.

[@hellothepixel1107]

It also robbed us of what could've been an old-school cartoon/campy/dramatic villain and turned him into a bland generic villain who is only interesting because of his connection to the protagonist. And his personality is so generic, he doesn't accentuate Buzz flaws beyond his motives nor does he compensate for that with a strong screen presence. The moment he gets out of the suit and starts talking I lose all interest. The villain from Up covered a very similar role and he had a lot more personality in display!

[@thekitkatlizard8661]

@@hellothepixel1107 alternate version: lightyear but it's a campy frenemy father-son movie between buzz and zurg

[@Lizuma]

Exactly what I was thinking, so weird!!

[@re1010]

I would never describe Zurg as not evil. 1. He shows a lack of concern for his timeline. He was willing to erase a timeline because of one mistake that resulted in some good. 2. He was willing to kill Sox without hesitation, other than a small remark. His only friend, and he just kills him without hesitation. 3. His log where he says he will matter again. Zurg is when Buzz's obsession with the mission becomes his only fixation, where he is not just a unhealthy selfish husk of himself, He is no longer Buzz, He is Zurg. Buzz was at least a hardass who felt guilty, Zurg is just someone who feels like he was wronged and will hurt others just to feel right.

[@hellothepixel1107]

@@re1010 I agree! He's definitely evil. And he has a very strong thematic role! Perhaps what the commenter was trying to say is that he feels less Pure Cartoon Evil and more Plot Twist Villain evil. ...for me at least, his execution fails to make me interested in him. It doesn't feel like he's the same person Buzz is, and of course time changes people but to me he should feel like an exaggeration of Buzz's worst side. Maybe he could be more anxious and desperate over his mission, taking it out on his robots for failing him - reflecting how Buzz reacts to his teammates failing him.

[@benjaminbaer9712]

The idea that Lightyear is the movie Andy saw that made him want Buzz is completely absurd. 1. No movie made in the 90ś would look like that. 2. No movie made in the 90ś would have a gay kiss that wasn't played as a joke. 3. If it was an in-universe movie, there would be toys based on several characters, not just Buzz and Zurg.

[@meow-rr1gd]

Points 2. Since they're trying to normalize it, it's assumed that in toy story's universe homophobia just never existed as a concept. So nobody would've minded the kiss. 3. Agreed but that's toy story's fault. It can't be just Buzz and Zurg, a two character space movie just doesn't work, even the tv show about Buzz had ANOTHER rookie crew. But you can't go back in time and add more space toys in toy story so, oh well Totally agree on 1st though.

[@Mr_Chilla]

I feel like for the 1st one it’s just a remastered version of the movie or something

[@Mr_Chilla]

I feel like for the 1st one it’s just a remastered version of the movie or something

[@Ewokpilot65]

ah yes, the universe with talking toys is unrealistic because the animation is too good

[@ultracommander8368]

I fully agree, and in retrospect, even if this wasn’t a movie Andy watched, it doesn’t feel right. This movie could’ve been good but it ruined itself by trying to overplease the public and in doing so made things super cliche and uninteresting

[@irreplaysable]

When I was watching this movie, I was almost certain that Zurg was going to be revealed as the rookie from the beginning. I really wish this ended up happening, because it would have felt way less cliché, and it would have linked back to the whole thing that was set up about Buzz being against rookies.

[@KhaosAdmiral]

yeah but one issue there is that I could see people taking it as ripping off the Incredibles with basically making Zurg, Syndrome 2.0.

[@jonahboris6681]

@@slimerewoods5766 I guess, but at the same time, it would've been cool to see the character be more relevant to the story. On the other hand, though, the person above already explained where the problem would go if the rookie ended up being the main villain, so yeah...

[@Drixenol86]

My issue with the “realism” trend is it lacks heart. This is the same problem with the live action remakes.

[@vixprior9733]

Every studio should visit more animation styles, really. I feel like it really has appeal to everyone when there are many options to choose from. Exept studio Ghibli, which should have NEVER ventured into CGI, TERRIBLE idea, worst mistake ever.

[@trondsatre8615]

I feel like this is not pointed out nearly enough, so I'm glad you did. In-universe, the "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" cartoon was obviously the selling point for the toy, not this movie. At best, 'm willing to pretend that, again in-universe, this movie could have inspired the cartoon series that were used to sell toys. Either that or it is, as you suggsted, a movie that came many years after Star Command.

[@Maximara]

Given how things worked back then I think it is just as likely the movie was inspired by the cartoon and like the 1987 Masters of the Universe movie other than some concepts and characters its connection was effectively nil.

[@luckylol]

Pixar loathe the cartoon series. They also had no involvement in that series whatsoever and they didn't like what they did with the character buzz. They want to consider that series noncanon so they rather not come up with the idea from buzz lightyear of star command.

[@naiafreeluv001]

@@luckylol That's kinda silly since in Toy Story Buzz is literally called "Buzz Light-year of Star Command" and that's what Andy refers to him as when he plays with Buzz for the first time. So why not stick to the Space Ranger theme? Interesting either way.

[@samwill7259]

this video interrupted me in the middle of a doomscroll I haven't been able to shake for the better part of a week. Thank you. Legitimately I was driving myself nuts.

[@CellSpex]

I know how you feel...

[@samwill7259]

@@CellSpex I feel unsafe. For the first time in my entire life. But, and don't let this be some kind of pressure on you. You saved my soul, at least for one night. And that's...well that's something.

[@SuperEasywalker]

For me it just that I’m so bored at point that I spend to much time on KZbin instead of watching show on streaming platform.

[@emblemblade9245]

Listening to long videos or just good music is much better use of time than doomscrolling. Of course I know it’s so hard to avoid the temptation. It is for all of us. Just remember where the good vibes in life can be reliably found and stick to those. And remember that there’s a difference between useful information and just plain negativity. Good luck!

[@KittensVarietyChannel]

So you’re telling me, that in the 90’s, Andy watched a movie that had a lesbian couple in it? And this movie was actually made? In the 90’s???

[@ianesgrecia8568]

"Everything need to be continuity with these people" THE PRODUCERS ARE THE ONES THAT ANOUCED THIS WAS THE ANDY BUZZ! Not the fans.

[@carsfan1995]

Yeah, but they didn’t want the Star Command show to be seen as canon.

[@dylanlewis5113]

"Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" was the original. "Lightyear" is the 2022 reboot. There is no way this was made in 1995. They should have committed to the 1990's sci-fi style in the designs, the tropes and even the effects. It could've been a fun throwback movie. If the 2010's was 1980s nostalgia, then the 2020's is probably going to be the 1990's nostalgia decade.

[@musicallydisneyamvs6731]

The cynical side of me went “how do we know Disney didn’t purposely let LightYear hit the screen knowing it wasn’t well handled as the other Pixar Films like Turning Red & Luca?” Makes you think, when previously pushing others onto their app. 🤔

[@reasyrandom]

I can already tell that the suits at Disney will use the mediocre output of the movie to further limit Pixar's scope. Preventing this was the only reason why I considered watching this movie.

[@SomeGuy-tr2hi]

I kinda have a prediction that at some point Disney is gonna make Pixar abandon their own branding and combine their 3d animation division to create one studio that releases all of their 3d animated family films under the one company while being a combined effort from both studios. Which would suck, but might suck a bit less then them slowly trying to sabotage Pixar overtime to increase sales on films they made themselves. The one upside I can see from that hypothetical merger is that it won’t be as hard to remember which studio made which film.

[@carsfan1995]

@@SomeGuy-tr2hi Uh… the bought Pixar for 7.4 Billion in 2006. They aren’t going to waste them like Blue Sky (though that studio would’ve closed down pretty soon even before the Fox buyout)

[@SomeGuy-tr2hi]

@@carsfan1995 That’s totally fair. I mostly just consider it a possibility due to how disrespectful Disney has been to Pixar and how they recently did something similar with Blue Sky like you said. It’ll probably be a while before anything like that happens, if at all. Mainly I bring it up cause I wouldn’t put it past Disney to do something scummy like that to one of their brands.

[@angrymokyuu9475]

@@carsfan1995 Beyond Disney clearly having gotten their money's worth in that time, there have also been multiple changes in the guard that have increasingly shifted the balance of power against Pixar. Disney's own animation people almost certainly don't like Pixar being the prestige brand, so sabotaging the studio to make it "lesser" isn't out of the question.

[@casir.7407]

this review just made me realize, the issue is that not a single part of it makes me interested. like im a huge toy story fan, and theres a big part of me that loves mediocre movies for the morsels of unachieved greatness in them... but this just looks like another big budget sci fi drama that happens to be animated. like you said, turning red and luca have the advantage of being visually memorable, of having personality. i feel like the good dinosaur, with the cartoony dinos and the hyperrealistic backgrounds and its weird "cowboy dinos" concept and unpredictability was more interesting than this. obviously it isnt a bad movie. but i do start to feel that being boring might just be the most disappointing thing a movie can be :/

[@HORRIOR1]

Gonna go ahead and say it, the biggest reason this movie definitely isn't a 90s movie, is because of the LGBT couple living next door to Buzz and starting a family. Themes such as that were considered far more mature back in the day, to a point where the executives would have definitely demanded it to be removed, especially if this was supposed to be a movie that was meant to sell toys. As for the biggest reason why this isn't the movie the original Buzz Lightyear toy is based upon, WHERE ARE THE LITTLE GREEN MEN!? Their involvement in the Buzz Lightyear mythos was established in the very first movie. And yet we have NOTHING like them in this movie. As what comes to Zurg, the reveal of his origins makes me laugh my ass off with the sequel baiting at the end of the movie. No one is going to take him seriously after that reveal, unless the robot body gains its own consciousness and puts on a cape.

[@meow-rr1gd]

To be fair most of these ( if not all ) inclusive movies exist in a perfect universe where racism or homophobia never were a thing, and they look upon lgbt couples no different to traditional ones because to them it has always been normal. Also, the LGMs are a pizza planet thing and buzz didn't recognize them in the claw machine. Ever some producers admitted it was weird they were in BLoSC at all, so it makes more sense they aren't in lightyear's universe. I still wish there were other aliens in the movie tho. I assumed that since buzz is a space ranger again he'd go to planets and meet aliens in lightyear 2. I really wish the movie did better money wise so there could be a second film.

[@meow-rr1gd]

Oh also about zurg ! It was largely hinted that future buzz stole the technology from the real zurg and that would've been the villain of the second lightyear movie. Kinda sucks we might never know now

[@pitayafruit]

@@meow-rr1gd I remember that one, sad that we didn't get an origin. all we know is that he found an alien spaceship and 'borrowed' it. like, where are the said 'aliens'? why abandon a huge ship? at the end, I was expecting for the real Zurg to show up, more alien and sinister. I forgot if he made the robots too or not, but was kinda hoping that buzz not being able to make them say his name is because 'Zurg' is already in their programming.

[@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu]

The first 2 paragraphs of this comment are the biggest bullsh*t I have ever read

[@ultracommander8368]

@@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu I disagree, this doesn’t look like a movie you would see in the 90s, and it’s not a movie that would make Andy really like Buzz, the movie overall is pretty high mid anyways, 7/10 at best

[@00square1]

This movie pretty good, but I say turning red was the superior pixar movie of the year because of how original and creative it was. I like the characters, animation, and the world. But I didn’t like that twist with Zurg. It felt completely out of place. Also, I wish the little green men made an appearance in this movie. It’s a 7.5/10 movie. I’m hoping for Pixar to make a short form woody’s roundup series for Disney plus. That would be cool!

[@emwatchesthings]

i just wanted the ‘’i am your father’’ gag to be true 😭

[@LittleBlueTrain67]

If I’m being honest, I’d love to see something from Pixar related to Woody’s Round Up. Considering Buzz got his own show, I’d love to see how an actual Woodys Round Up show would be like based on Toy Story 2

[@PhantomationTV]

I would've wanted that too, but seeing how they butchered Buzz Lightyear, there's no need to drag Sheriff Woody through the dirt too.

[@crcoghill]

I might enjoy this movie but personally: i might just rewatch Star Command. it has more charm with it's characters and world building and i love Zurg better in that.

[@Xackadee]

Thanks for this. Since seeing this film, my thoughts mostly locked onto the statement of _"This felt like an episode of Star Trek that was inspired by Interstellar with Buzz Lightyear and Zurg inserted into it"_ without being able to articulate why I didn't think that was (that much of) a good thing outside of it not feeling at all like a Buzz Lightyear story, 90s or not. Took me a while to even realise that after that first act, with that last office scene, I didn't feel a thing for the whole movie until Izzy had to conquer her astrophobia. I just couldn't grasp any thoughts on the film's execution until so many of the issues I had were laid out here. It was okay, but I definitely would have liked a Buzz Lightyear story that tackled the character that we actually know and love rather than imprinting him onto this story, which isn't bad but needed much more work to get me invested. As you say, it's just kind of forgettable.

[@frankb3347]

At least this disappointing reboot is making more people aware of the television cartoon series. It was a pretty good show.

[@20000dino]

12:39 “Should I talk about The Owl House and Amphibia?“ YES. YOU SHOULD.

[@sailor3047]

The concept sounds like it could be peak fiction, could've been a crazy psychological thriller or something. It's crazy someone could take this concept and make it boring lol

[@MelonTartVA]

I'm just gonna say that this film feels very fanfictiony. Especially with Zurg's identity (which I will not spoil for those who haven't seen it)

[@26th_Primarch]

Hence why a lot of folks say that it should be considered a modern reboot of the original film.

[@CTheng]

Personally, I have no interested whatsoever in this movie ever since the first trailer. It just seems like a typical, boring sci-fi space adventure with the Toy Story connection haphazardly slapped on top. Like, you can literally replaced the Buzz character with a generic protagonist dude and barely anything would change.

[@AnonyBoiii]

The Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command Pilot/Movie is by far much better than the Lightyear movie And that’s not nostalgia. It is just that much better

[@MajoraWaffle]

i think the TS franchise has been a huge double edged sword for pixar since it's very inception. it's the series that got the studio off the ground and into the spotlight, but it's become such a money fountain for disney that pixar are pretty much mandated to keep making sequels and spin offs even if it means further botching the integrity of the ip. you can very much tell that 4, much as i defend that installment, was a result of disney wanting it more then anyone actually involved with the project.

[@Dollyh79]

Honestly I kinda wanted to see Zurg as a more terrifying thing like I wish he would have just stayed suited. I didn’t really like the idea of another twist villain for only 5 minutes.

[@TheTwistedKris]

Honestly after watching the movie, its biggest failing was not fleshing out the plot points it introduced. Crashed on planet that is openly hostile? Time skip until they have a settlement. Friends thought he was dead for years? No visible change in how they react to buzz coming and going. Going back in time despite time dilation doesn't allow for that (put simply time dilation becomes infinite if you hit the speed of light, ie 1 second at that speed becomes infinite seconds experienced relative to everything else)

[@Mahaveez]

John Lasseter specifically had it out for Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. And somehow that impression wormed its way into executives when it wasn't originally there. Quite unfortunate.

[@caesertullo1824]

haven''t watched the video yet, but does anyone remember the vhs lightyear saturday morning show? it was a short run, but it had everything this movie needed to succeed. It even had a very strong willed female character. My brother and I watched that vhs so friggin much. it's sad that none of that was used in the movie. edit ** YESS SHE TALKED ABOUT IT!

[@ertawanderer1062]

I do! It's the main reason I didn't go and see this one I still love Star Command

[@joshuajoe1419]

I haven’t seen a single review about Lightyear that doesn’t mention the show. Probably the opposite intention from Pixar creating this movie.

[@caesertullo1824]

@@joshuajoe1419 But if there's already an audience for something, and the characters are loved as cult classics, and if they are easily changed to fit a more gritty Buzz Lightyear movie... Why not use them? It just doesn't make sense to me. The cat and the robot from star-command play super similar roles. And I'd take the robot who makes bad jokes then a stupid cat any day. The robot would have sold more toys! I swear the cat is only in the movie for the scene with them in the helmet. I admit I haven't seen the new movie but that's only because if I wanted to I could just find and watch the og star-command. I def would have watched a gritty pg 13 animated pixar Buzz Lightyear reboot though. 100 percent would get my money. Do you think they thought anyone would remember an obscure cartoon from 20 some odd years ago? lmao. Disney yet again gets btfo'd over dumb direction probably from excs. I'm not the biggest fan of Turning Red but at least it was something that wasn't the media equivalent of stale bread. Maybe an unpopular opinion but Encanto was the first fresh disney film that FELT Disney in a really long time to me.

[@KhaosAdmiral]

@@joshuajoe1419 Well yeah, Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was a show that Pixar has tried to keep buried for years. From what I recall from an Interview with the showrunner Tad Stones, he makes note that allegedly John Lasseter didn't care for the more comedic tone of the show and always viewed Buzz Lightyear the series in-universe as something of like the original Space Ghost cartoon, or Major Matt Mason, i.e. something generally considered to be a lot more straight-laced and serious.

[@caesertullo1824]

@@joshuajoe1419 clearly the wrong choice. Look at the money lost. Pixar used to be great. caling a pixar movie "okay" is just as bad as calliing an illumination film bad. We should and have already held pixar to a higher standard.

[@gira4664]

I really love the aesthetic and art style of this movie.

[@kingsleycy3450]

For a fake movie designed to sell toys in a fictional universe, Lightyear treats its story stupidly serious.

[@bleh329]

YES, talk about Owl House and Amphibia, PLEASE!!!! 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

[@jacobcox4565]

If I had a nickel for every time Chris Evans played a character that time travelled, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@Mathmachine]

I've noticed that this movie has been received pretty "meh"ly from basically every animation KZbinr that exists. I have to wonder if I myself am missing something here or if this just was different than what people were expecting. I went in and had a good time with this movie. I seem to be in the minority and I don't get what I missed that made it so meh. I have at least noticed that people seemed to have liked it a lot more if they understood Buzz's actions and why he was doing what he did, and then those that didn't seem to not like the movie. I'm wondering if that's just a case and somehow I got it when others didn't...which would probably be a first for me, and that's why I feel it has to be something else.

[@CellSpex]

I'm genuine glad you were able to enjoy it, I believe this movie can work for some audiences. I get his motives, I just think it all could have been done in a bit more interesting way, I enjoyed it fine for one view, I just don't know how much I'll remember it in a year.

[@destroyerofturtles5024]

I liked the movie at first, but the more I thought about it, the more I stopped liking it.

[@Mathmachine]

@@CellSpex Sorry if that came off as insulting or condescending, that wasn't the intent. I was actually serious with what I was saying. I get people having different tastes and opinions, I just usually *understand* why they have those differing opinions. This is probably the first time I'm completely stumped and it's confusing to me.

[@ИванСнежков-з9й]

@@Mathmachine To me the highlight of the movie was at around 25 minute mark, with the recorded message. It perfectly illustrated the theme and the philosophical question of the movie. The problem for me is that the rest of the movie is just an hour of flashy but pointless action, where we watch Buzz painfully slowly finally figuring out what that message meant. And then when you start thinking you find gaping holes in the SciFi premise. Like "the faster you travel the further in future you go". That's absurd. That just means that the faster you move, the slower you travel. And in the movie he travels the same distance 5 times slower with hyperspeed, than without it. Absurd. Or... why they couldn't just make a new crystal fuel, since Sox should remember the making of the final formula... Or how a huge spaceship could get it's propulsion damaged by nicking a tiny bit on the most outer shell. Or why the ship was out of control after it got free from the vines. Or why they even landed it on the planet, instead of using shuttle/smaller ship.

[@felipevaldes3487]

Buzz's personality is nothing like the toy. It's just, it doesn't make sense at all. The toy is supposed to be a faithful adaptation of the hero. Buzz in the movie seems to be more Woody-like rather than a cool space warrior or something

[@wallygator92]

I prefer the characters from the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command tv series over the characters from this movie.

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

5:54 Ah Yes I'd do remember the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command and I' still pissed that they have NOT put this Out on Disney+ and it felt like a missed opportunity to put the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command Cartoon on Disney+ right when Lightyear came out

[@mathieuleader8601]

I think it would have been really cool if Zurg was a robot created by Steele as a weapon take down the Galactic Federation as she was jailed because she was a revolutionary but Zurg went AWOL and developed its own mind

[@fadedoffense]

This is the first comment, but I have no idea what to say. Love your content!

[@CellSpex]

Thankyu!

[@mathieuleader8601]

Given the recurring timeskips I think Zurg should have been Buzz's abandoned son

[@ZgermanGuy.]

I feel like a woody movie would have been a better choice for a movie considering that pixar allready went to space and they did not have a full on western jet. Plus woody is supposed to be this amazing Charakter that got unfairly forgotten

[@jaimonlovins2250]

One thought from me about Lightyear: To me, it feels like the watering down of the movie was almost done on purpose. I think it was even perhaps a style choice. At the beginning, we learn that the context for this movie is that Andy watched it way back in 1995. From here, we reset the context, and imagine it less as an impactful movie, and more as a Mattel toy commercial. Perhaps the toys were already in production at that point. Simply point, this movie would then be an addition to that toy franchise to boost sales. Lightyear doesn't need to be the most amazing film, because despite it's star-studded cast, it's not that sort of movie, and it doesn't need to be to achieve what it wants to achieve. I do think the other characters could've had more development definitely, but thinking about the movie as a style choice makes the movie at least a little more interesting to me. And also, if I saw this in 1995 I would've been blown away cus the art is amazing

[@benjovi356]

I thought of it this way...Toy Story's Andy started by watching the cartoon show for Buzz Lightyear. Say a couple years later, they make this movie, which the toy is based on...(Like when they had the X-men cartoon in the 90s and the Brian Singer X-men movie in 2000) Maybe he goes to see this movie with his dad, so his love of Buzz is kinda attached to the memory of being with his dad...Seeing as it would be a real life movie based on a property, that would give fair reason to the changes between the movie and other Buzz related stuff. What threw me off more was the whole "This is the movie Andy saw in 1995"...it looks WAY better than the stuff we had in 1995. idk...my head hurts now...

[@TheRibottoStudios]

"BOY this would've been some world class effects for the nineties." *Looks at Titanic, Terminator 2, The Matrix, Jurassic Park* welllllllllllll.....TO BE FAIR....

[@Zinervawyrm]

Look at Appolo 13.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Yeah but if this is suppose to be a 90s CGI animation film, this CGI is too advanced for the decade.

[@Zinervawyrm]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral No, the movie is meant to be a live action movie with special effects from Andy's point of view.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@Zinervawyrm then this is the wrong decade for this film in the toy story universe. Were there really a lot of 90s films with that good special effects and a lesbian couple onscreen? Yes I'm aware of Jurassic, Park, Terminator 2 and Titanic but those were just a few.

[@Zinervawyrm]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral Alien 1979, Star Wars Trilogy 1977-1983 2001 A Space Odyssey 1968 Metropolis 1927 "What's your point?" You may wonder. There are movies made way before the 90s that have special effects that still hold up today.

[@Mr_stain]

Dude this is literally the perfect length for procrastination in bed

[@ChiliFrog]

I think I would have been more entertained by Lightyear if I hadn't seen a lot of other 'hard' sci-fi movies before like Interstellar, Alien, 2001, etc. The second act got quite boring but things got better in the third act, what I liked the most was the designs of the spaceships and the suits worn by the human colonists, that and SOX

[@Santoryu90]

I liked this movie but either way I do agree that they shouldn’t have acted like this was the movie Andy saw they shouldn’t have done that.

[@gameswithpeachcord7498]

If Andy was watching this movie wouldn’t he wanted a Sox toy instead of a buzz light year toy?

[@BlazingKhioneus]

When i saw the trailers, i got a glimpse of sox, a scene of sox, and hated him. Why? He is so blatantly a by-the-books "look! an uncanny yet really endearing side character that audiences fall in love with ala the Minions" and was drained. The awkward, limited articulation, the monotone system robot voice, those big ol' eyes that make most people go "awww" all compounded to just turn me cynical toward him. Seeing clips of Sox from scenes outside the trailers has not lifted my opinion, if anything i was confirmed and more with the stuffed inside lightyear's(the main character is NOT buzz) helmet clip. I'm sure there's an example of this archetype out there that I like, but i cant think of it off the top of my head. Maybe Wall-E? idk.

[@eatatjoes6751]

I could buy the cartoon being the origin of the toy. This? Modern reboot. Done. Also, *YOU KNOW THEY WILL MILK THIS FRANCHISE UNTIL NO ONE CAN STAND IT ANYMORE.* I called it when they announced the 4th one.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

People were way too nice on toy story 4, its unnecessary

[@TheEverythingEnthuiast]

"i don't think anyone was excited for Lightyear" i was! i loved Toy Story as a kid and was kinda of sad when i saw Toy Story4, and Lightyear was a awsome flim for me edit: The Super Carlin Brothers made a theory that Lightyear is based on true events but exactrated for a movie inside the Toy Story universe (or something like that) edit2: i got a theory for what is Lightyear, it's not a only a real event that happens to person who liked Buzz Lightyear as a kid as a Star Command Officer and also liked Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon (i'm talking in-universe for those who were confused) and Lightyear as a movie is a tie-in of a more mature Buzz

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

"....Could have been Great But" basically sums up most of the stuff Disney has made in recent years.

[@reasyrandom]

Encanto was a masterpiece.

[@championofthedarksoul4200]

@@reasyrandom Encanto is the exception for every good movie they make there are atleast 2-4 bad or mediocre ones.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

define "recent years"

[@championofthedarksoul4200]

@@steamboatwill3.367 probably the last 10-15 years if you check the list of disney films on Wikipedia you notice a pattern that there are 2-4 bad or mediocre ones in between all the good ones.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@championofthedarksoul4200 ) name them please.

[@catholicfemininity2126]

Lightyear should've been a movie like Buzz lightyear of Starcommand the series. I did like Sox though, he was cute and not annoying.

[@MrFancyDragon]

Honestly, 2022 feels like it’s gonna be a big miss for animation and movies. Tv series is one thing and they’re nailing that part well But the movies so far have not been as impressive as last years selection. Even Bad Guys and that’s saying something!!! Side note: I know that you avoided talking about the villain for… obvious reasons but my god does the whole fact of this movie needing to be in universe with the rest of the franchise make the twist and movie as a whole worse. Like the villain alone knocks the movie down 2 tiers

[@MrFancyDragon]

@@slimerewoods5766 Okay I think I can spoil it now. But like, the suspense and buildup towards Zerg only to find out it’s just Buzz from the future kills the suspense and stakes of the movie. It didn’t make sense and his plan to “finish the mission” is so pathetic and petty that it just kills the enjoyment. To this day I struggle to explain the time shenanigans that explain how there’s two Buzzes. The movie tries to do huge leaps to explain Zerg but it just falls apart the more you look at it. It’s really disappointing because of how cool Zerg was in the TV show AND Toy Story 2

[@stills2359]

@@MrFancyDragon There's two buzzes bc future zurg buzz went back in time? But then how come Izzy wasn't there when zurg buzz finished his hyperspeed? Maybe different realities? Hm - pretty confusing.

[@MrFancyDragon]

@@stills2359 Yeah it is! It’s really not well thought out and it’s really not helping the movie.

[@SilverPlayer2002]

This movie failed from the literal start stating it was a movie within a movie of a fictional movie universe

[@emwatchesthings]

I actually feel like that could of been a GREAT premise, if it was given a 80s/90s feel with the space tech and maybe even pop culture references from that time that people nowadays would also be likely to get, and a different plot.

[@IvanTheGhostboy]

I feel like I was the only one super hyped about this movie since Buzz was my favorite character in Toy Story. All of what you said was valid though. As much as I did like the movie, after watching it 3 times, there could have been a lot more with this. I do wish this new continuity of Buzz could continue in some way since I am interested in seeing more content with it and seeing what they could do with it. If not a sequel, then maybe an animated series, styled like if it was from the 90's and give it the same flare as the OG cartoon

[@ahlpym]

You've seen it 3 times? Did you notice anything unusual about Izzy's name tag in the last scene? I could swear I saw it say something quite different than "Hawthorne", but I'm doubting myself.

[@firecrakerj3312]

Turning Red is definitely the better Pixar movie that came out this year, but Lightyear does have it moments. I did like the callbacks to the original Toy Story, they were cute. The thing with Zurg felt completely out of left field but I get that they wanted to tie it back to Buzz’s personal hangups. This movie is a mixed bag but that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth watching. I mean it’s certainly better than that misguided Jurassic World movie…

[@spacedino91]

With them being in space I was hoping for more different and extreme looking planets.

[@alariaaurora8456]

I’m STILL waiting for a review from Arcane Srsly why big youtubers skip that show? Just watch the damn thing it’s only 9 spisodes

[@otherlego]

Long episodes. Though yeah it should be reviewed so much!!!

[@alariaaurora8456]

@@otherlego it's weird but alot of big animation KZbinrs that i follow tend to ignore great animations that aren't Disney/pixar each year

[@otherlego]

@@alariaaurora8456 cell generally seems to focus on movies, and Pixar has been the only one doing big animated ones as of late. Hopefully she does smaller titles but those are save d for the end of year thing probably