Rosaria Butterfield and Christopher Yuan: The Christian Sexual Ethic (Seminar)

[@taylorgumm8996]

What an absolute powerhouse duo. This is a talk that should be given in EVERY church.

[@no-lie85]

I love the conviction and urgency that Mrs. Butterfield speaks with! Praise the LORD 🙏🏾♥️

[@sirblanka]

She is AMAZING!

[@leslietascoff9784]

Thank you for inviting Rosaria and Christopher. There are a LOT of parents and grandparents that want to be faithful to Christ and love our prodigals.

[@ginadiviak9519]

So true. Praying for all of our prodigals 🙏🏽

[@isaacnjoroge8727]

Great advice this material is important.

[@jc618]

Leave your children alone if you don't affirm them.

[@ginadiviak9519]

So needed to hear this. As a parent of a daughter who has gone astray in this ideology, it is so painful. But God 🙏🏽

[@rpcrumb]

"But God"... is always key...

[@debrasusan73]

I'm right there with you, Sister. 🙏 Lost for now... But God!!

[@xXEGPXx]

Its crazy that you are openly admitting to hating your daughter

[@ginadiviak9519]

@@xXEGPXx On the contrary. I love her unconditionally. I am thankful that no matter what, she knows I love her. I’m also thankful that despite disagreeing on certain things, she loves me and respects me, as I respect her. I prayed for her when I was pregnant with her and I still do. I don’t know why you would make such a comment when you don’t know anything about her or I. Nonetheless, it’s important to love people right where they are. Just because someone doesn’t agree with me, I do not hate them. I pray you were never hurt by someone’s actions or disagreeing with you. If you have been, I pray that you are able to heal and move forward. 🙏🏽

[@xXEGPXx]

@@ginadiviak9519 You hate her guts, you believe that she deserves to be tortured for all eternity, and you will not feel bad for her being tortured by your god while you are pampered. If that is not hatred I do not know what is

[@jf7243]

Protect your children amen! What wisdom and old time truth these two beautiful redeemed souls bring is superb. Thankyou Ligonier!

[@jeanettedreyer1211]

Wow wow wow. This was so liberating for me as a parent. Now I will stand even stronger on the truth of God's word for my daughter being lied to that she is gay.... Thank you for these two people speaking so clearly about the truth....

[@maybe750]

Or you can accept your daughter as she is. Either way you’re either ruining her or ruining ur future with hee

[@JenniferMercier]

I would listen to this again and again and again. It's the Christian truth that's the only truth and it must be spoken. Giving Him the Glory!

[@TruthIsAsOldAsGod]

Thank you Jesus, for raising up the very best people to speak on any given matter. Thank you for saving us and opening our eyes to your truth.

[@LannyHoover-s1b]

Thank you for your clarity and forthrightness! Thank you for making the road to life through repentance and the power of our Creator so clear that anyone can grasp this truth and freedom!!

[@volguy]

Wow! I found myself praising God for this TRUTH !

[@Tsaipramuk]

Love our children like how Christ has loved us, teach our children like how Christ has taught us, build a strong foundation for our children like how Christ has built the strong foundation for us. The list can go on and on.

[@kimber9000]

Thank you for having Rosario and Christopher. Every time I listen to them, I learn and grow as a Christian, and feel better equipped when facing these challenges. I'm encouraged by their love and devotion for Christ, their immovable stance for the truth, and their deep desire for people to know Christ. God bless you all.

[@rpcrumb]

I LOVE the clarity this provides regarding these difficult subjects and what Scripture actually SAYS about it! This video was wonderful.

[@xXEGPXx]

Wonderful for degenerates like you, subhuman filth

[@BenOkware]

As a Bible presbyterian pastor in Mbale City, in Uganda do appreciate the teaching and we are in need of the same teaching in Uganda

[@demosthenesflorival6555]

Thank you! I was both blessed and edified.

[@evangelinerodriguez8927]

Amen. Thanking God for bringing everything into light. Thanking the Lord for your teaching. Heaven Rules.

[@agapeislove1025]

PTL ❤❤❤

[@gingertankersley2997]

I think Rosaria's "plan" for her next ten years is absolutely the truth for every Christian. Be faithful in the role and place we are to build His church.

[@imlistening3218]

Goodness Christopher, you look like your Dad!! Excellent conversation, you 3, thank you!

[@PastorDavidBess]

Thank you, Ligonier, for having this panel discussion with Rosaria Butterfield and Christopher Yuan. All three of you together present clear, helpful Biblical truth in age of confusion for the world and much of the church.

[@marionwatford8360]

We must be willing to speak TRUTH to anyone that has believed the lies of satan!

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,and what is Christmas, Goodfriday and Easter according to the Bible??

[@mick8888V]

No, ya don't. Mind your own.

[@deborahsnyder697]

I love Christopher and Rosaria. Such wisdom and logic, all from God's holy word.

[@mcfarvo]

God bless our brother and sister in Christ

[@kylehughes.4479]

Wonderful content.

[@Smooshes786]

For bigots, for sure!

[@Fireproof1313]

Was there to see most of this at the 2024 Conference An outstanding QandA for all to see

[@everydaymontana]

Amin!

[@IndieThinker]

Don’t hold your breath waiting for this duo at a Christianity Today conference.

[@paulajames6149]

My husband and I are on opposite sides. He is for compassion and I am for truth. It is tough to work through that as we parent our 16 and 18 yr olds. We have gone through the Holy Sexuality video series with our teens. Thank you Rosario and Christopher for the clarity. Appreciate you both!

[@sarahkorea]

You can have truth AND compassion. Look at Jesus

[@rpcrumb]

Sometimes "Compassion requires Truth, just as often Love requires discipline.

[@jc618]

Here's a truth for you: your kids will keep speaking to your husband when they grow up and go no contact with you.

[@gummylens5465]

@paulajames6149 "Stay connected without becoming indoctrinated." - Dr. Butterfield My family has loved me through it all even when I was acting prodigally. Praying for you!

[@RoyceVanBlaricome]

REALLY good video. LOTS of VERY astute points. Hard to pinpoint any one highlight but I do think Christopher's truth about LGBTQ+ NOT describing people but rather their feelings. I would just add that it does NOT describe people but rather ideas, thoughts, and behaviors. Rosaria is spot on when she says the person is the Imago Dei. I have been saying this for years and I'm pleased and grateful that folks like Christopher and Rosaria who have a MUCH bigger platform say it too. And I know they have been for a long time as well. One thing I'd also like to know is the straight-forward way that they make NO bones about telling Christians to GET OUT of the churches who've bought into the Side A/Side B, Preston Sprinkle, Nate Collins, etc. theology. They are angels of light and leading others away from The Truth.

[@veekee75]

United Methodist Church, are you listening to this?

[@marebear09]

I just finished reading Five Lies of Our Anti-Christian Age. It was excellent.

[@annieBBL24]

be nice if you spoke in layman's language. When you say as an opening remark "...taking an existential reality of sexuality and turning it into an ontological reality" you leave many listeners stranded at the starters block,. I for one haven't got a clue what it means.

[@user-hi8rg7bl2s]

Gently spoken and I agree with request for layman’s terms. Thank you for considering the feedback

[@taylor.i]

I hear you!😂 I asked AI to explain it. Here's what it said: "Rosaria Butterfield is highlighting a shift in how sexuality is perceived. Originally, sexuality might have been seen primarily as a part of human experience (existential). However, in modern contexts, it is increasingly being viewed as a fundamental aspect of a person's identity (ontological). In simpler terms, she is saying that there is a trend of moving from seeing sexuality as something we do or experience (part of our existence) to seeing it as something that defines who we are at the deepest level (part of our essence or being)."

[@nl_2652]

I think their heart is an invitation to a deeper, and more thorough devotion to understanding patterns of thought - which in turn, bolsters our Christian worldview :)

[@lisalittle6158]

how you are vs who you are - from Yuan's book Holy Sexuality.

[@rhowitt9422]

Educate yourself. Google it!

[@user-hi8rg7bl2s]

Many important statements, including some practical ones, eg: look at the influences; help your college bound or moving house offspring to find a biblically sound local church.👏🏽👏🏽

[@chicorico70]

47:40 And now Christopher is engaged - praise God

[@pamelaloboscavieres4414]

Dónde lo puedo encontrar en español?

[@ung0liant]

if singleness being preferable to marriage is a misreading of 1 Cor, I'd like to know why

[@Sheraleeable]

Our identity is in Christ…..I wish they had said that.

[@octag8nn]

Fantastic 😮

[@gregb6469]

Christians, especially those in leadership positions, need to stop being afraid of offending those who hate us and our Lord by telling them the truth about sin and its consequences.

[@debsthriftytips]

With 2 college-aged sons, our first question was “where is the closest Biblical church?”

[@MM-yv4qi]

Finally Christian’s that aren’t afraid to talk about sex and sin. Now let’s teach our kids about their bodies and Gods covenant. I wrote a book for children and it’s free online. It’s called Hannah avalyn and Emilia Jane and things that are hard to explain. A very funny book about serious stuff.

[@Smooshes786]

Aw, a funny book about bigotry. You must be pleased!

[@oar-N-oasis]

My prayer is, may our living triune GOD have mercies to LGBTQ communities.

[@stephengorman1025]

He will Romans 11v32-36

[@ernies8828]

And convict them

[@MM-yv4qi]

May the lgbtq people repent of their sin, then God will be faithful to forgive.

[@MM-yv4qi]

Gods not burger king. The lgbtq community is a behemoth of Sodom and Gomorrah like sin.

[@maybe750]

Believe me LGBTQ communities are much happier living their lives outside of a supernatural being and even some Christians who are part of LGBTQ are grateful that they serve a god who’s got real unconditional love not CONDITIONAL love

[@ernstdevries7990]

Amen❤

[@leannemarie9173]

Amen

[@MM-yv4qi]

While it’s important to have Christian’s be a voice. It’s also important to realize that God has allowed some to teach and others are not to do so. If you’re still living within a gay lifestyle then you should not teach and prayers are useless as they’re hindered for a man. The Bible is clear on the matter. Mrs. Butterfield seems to be open with her position as she is now married, but what is Mr. Yuans position? And if you think it’s not proper to ask these questions, that’s ridiculous. They must be asked so we might know that intent of man and what kind of person intends to “teach” or postures themselves as an authority. The Church does not run on degrees and accolades of man but on the law of God, Jesus’ way and God as the ultimate authority.

[@clarkemorledge2398]

At about 27:10, Rosaria says the crisis in the Reformed tradition 10 years ago was over justification. I am assuming she is talking about the New Perspective on Paul and N.T. Wright. On that score, N.T. Wright got some things wrong, but got some other things right. Looks like we've got a similar situation here in 2024 on the LGBTQ situation with the criticisms against Preston Sprinkle.

[@dereklee2590]

Amen the love for truth speak the harsh emotional gut wretching truth:) 😔

[@MarcMarvels]

They let her cook, and she cooked!

[@stephendavies2925]

Lust is a sin! An evil spirit that enters a person and lives there!

[@GraceAlone50]

Youth group service makes no sense. To me a church having youth church for kids as a separate service is a sign that's not a church for a serious christian even if you don't have kids.

[@debsthriftytips]

This right here. I’d leave a church that had this model

[@amberwhite6086]

Amen and Amen.

[@ginadiviak9519]

Pursue the unbeliever.

[@Smooshes786]

That sounds absolutely creepy!!! Don’t pursue people, it’s not ok.

[@rockpaperscissors82]

I commented elsewhere on Butterfield's false equation of egalitarianism and transgenderism. It also occurs to me that it's peculiar how she routinely teaches and instructs men, as in this seminar, even though Paul said, "I do not permit a woman to teach," to quote every complementarian's favorite text. Is she not erasing or blurring the gender binary by violating Paul's prohibition! My point is that everyone uses contextual exegesis to interpret these texts, not just the egalitarians like myself.

[@kimsteinke713]

Well, authoritarianism is about the desire to exercise control that trumps freedom. 👆

[@dereklee2590]

And also not let the school teach about pornography

[@DogSoldier1948]

We are not physically born in the image of God. We are elected, regenerated, and sanctified, and after our physical death, we are glorified. We are made in the image of God through regeneration, sanctification, and glorification.

[@JohnChapt.6.Verse.68]

We're all made in God's image.🙂 Genesis 1:26-27 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.🙂 Genesis 9:6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.🙂

[@tyamada21]

The actual TRUTH is... Jesus did not mention homosexuality - let alone whether it is wrong or right - good or bad. Therefore, to use CHISTIANITY to condemn, judge or criticize homosexuality is an evil LIE.

[@Cloenclan5]

WHAT?! Are we reading the same Bible?

[@gummylens5465]

Hi @tyamada21 Jesus upheld the moral law (Ten Commandments) of the Old Testament, which are all still in effect to this day, unlike the ceremonial laws (fulfilled by the Priestly fulfillment of Jesus as the Ultimate High Priest) and civic laws (which expired when Israel's monarchy ended). On top of that, He reaffirmed the one man-one woman model of Genesis 1 in Matthew 19:4-5. On top of THAT, He reaffirmed the immorality of "porneia," (Matt. 15:19), which included all the se*ual sins banned in Levitical law, which, yes, includes homosexuality.

[@Zilam]

"Don't be a heretic" Sound words :P

[@sueyourself]

It was a wonderful video/presentation but everyone, including the host and speakers in general, have to STOP using the word “gay”. This only goes to further the influence this movement has on you - gay is a legitimate word that has been perverted by culture. The correct description is “homosexual” - get over it and use the word!

[@petrujusca]

Ce Mai lipseste unui om incercat de ratacirea asta, in afara de înțelegerea naturi umane și a voinței Li Dumnezeu

[@ishimwebenjamin8505]

How did they overcome such homosexualities?

[@johnclaiborne2749]

By God's grace.

[@JM-st1le]

😂

[@ishimwebenjamin8505]

@@JM-st1le why are you laughing bro?

[@MM-yv4qi]

You deleted the link I sent earlier. Just trying to give people a free resource as it should be. Jesus didn’t charge for His sacrifice did He?

[@TruthIsAsOldAsGod]

Links are automatically blocked

[@MM-yv4qi]

I think R.C. Sproul would be appalled

[@gummylens5465]

@MM-yv4qi Why?

[@QuinnEdwards1]

They are speaking to the choir. The queer community and allies hear that aggressive intolerance and just leave. The speakers can be staunchly righteous, but well over 50% of GenZ are affirming (20-30% identify) of LGBTQ and it is growing every generations. Google what percent of GenZ identify with 🏳️‍🌈. There is a reason their denomination has decreased 12% in the last ten years. I only imagine how many will leave their sect in 50 years

[@stephengorman1025]

This was both helpful and challenging. However 'you be godly parents and let God decide' begs the question decide what? I presume whether to save our children or pass over them. It is this aspect of Calvinism that whilst 'having a form of godliness denies the power thereof' and distorts the character of God. God was in Christ reconciling the World to Himself and that includes our children (both the older and younger brother (or sister)). Grace and Peace Colossians 1v15-20

[@rockpaperscissors82]

My only problem with Butterfield's position is that she routinely equates egalitarianism with an erasing of gender differences and, thus, as logically entailing transgenderism. As someone who belongs to an evangelical egalitarian church and denomination, for over a decade, that's at best uncharitable and at worst woefully ignorant. There is certainly a form of egalitarianism that is rooted in secular feminism, but that's not the form that is represented by denominations like ECO (Presbyterian), NALC (Lutheran), ACNA (Anglican), and the Free Methodists and Global Methodists. We believe in gender complementarity, but we believe that the role of pastor and minister is not exclusive to men. Thus, we see the ordained office as an area where both men and women can serve and thrive "as men" and "as women," with their unique gifts as such. I'm fully aware of 1 Tim 2 and the other proof texts, and I have no interest in debating exegesis in a KZbin comments section. There's plenty of literature out there arguing for both sides, and I happen to find the egalitarian position the most convincing.

[@cecilly59]

Yes yes yes. Thank you for putting into well expressed words my thoughts exactly.

[@taylorgumm8996]

Egalitarianism is in itself secular. It’s not a god given principal. So yea, it’s absolutely what she is talking about. Certain denominations in the church just adopt and rebrand these concepts.

[@Smooshes786]

She’s odd and off putting. Talk about indoctrinated minds. Ick.

[@Nahrin_Assyrian]

So there is NO person made in the image of God as lesbian or gay But there IS and ok for a child made in the image of God , disabled, handicapped, in vegetation state , autistic to the point need to confined Even though the first type can live their lives as homosexual happy And the latter miserable ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ From a mother who prayed believing that God will not allow her baby created in the image of God to be born with disabilities Thank u

[@Smooshes786]

You prayed to a god. That was your first problem. The god isn’t in existence, only these people telling you you’re defective from the get go. Step away from religion, they are the cause of your angst. I’m sorry your child was born with struggles, I would hope the religious folks actually help you, but, 13 days ago you typed this and nobody bothered. You are a bother to them. They must go be bigoted while you have to accept what “god gave you”. It’s all a lie. Step away, find local human support. Be well.

[@kimsteinke713]

That's not the greatest commandment The greatest commandment was to love your brother and sister as you love yourself Christopher.

[@sarahkorea]

Judgemental take! Compassion plz towards those who really struggle with same sex attraction. DON'T get set Free as you explain freedom. I feel saddened at what I'm hearing. Knowing several people who love God and CHOOSE to be celibate.

[@Smooshes786]

OR learn that the god made many kinds of people and bigotry isn’t ok.