Lily Orchard STILL Doesn't Understand Steven Universe

[@moosesues8887]

Blud really came back after 8 YEARS just to roast the shit out of a washed youtuber 💀

[@SaiScribbles]

This is the best comment I've ever received 🤣

[@grimdarkAngel]

Washed up _and_ delusional.

[@GemlikesWafflez]

Honestly the dedication goes hard

[@moosesues8887]

@@SaiScribbles Ty gang these videos are fire and I can’t wait for what else this channels gonna do

[@pickles6846]

That just seems petty, Especially after she put out the video talking about how shitty the original video was

[@Druzy_aqua]

It’s funny how Lily can’t seem to understand that gems are aliens and they don’t work the same as humans

[@SaiScribbles]

Ugggh I knooooow! One of my biggest pet peeves is when people want to make Gems LESS interesting. Gems having unique traits and behaviors due to being alien lifeforms is what makes them so much fun.

[@FubblerCo.]

Oh wait actually im really sorry i got farther into the video, I didnt realize you were also autistic, my bad

[@shaycrowley3262]

​@@SaiScribbles Oh I saw a take that they are more animal-like! They crawl on all fours and are territorial!

[@chelonianmobile]

@@SaiScribbles Same with Homestuck, I HAAAAAAAATE it when people go "oh but quadrants are fake and trolls should all be monogamous!" Creepily fucking colonialist mindset to claim the foreign culture is too stupid to understand its own feelings.

[@thedeliveryboy1123]

I read somewhere that Lily Orchard can't comprehend that Japanese culture is different from American culture so it kinda checks out

[@amethystimagination3332]

I’m an animation student, Lily does not understand how the animation pipeline works at all. She constantly blames the creative team and Rebecca Sugar for choices made by executives, most people who know nothing about animation do that but she’s especially bad at it.

[@SaiScribbles]

I remember in the "Steven Universe is Garbage" video Lily saying the Crew should have somehow written around the ways the network decided to air the completed episodes. Which is just- ... I don't even know how Lily thinks TV animation production works.

[@amethystimagination3332]

@@SaiScribbles She’s also said on Twitter that you can’t be a writer and an artist, which is high up on the list of dumbest things I’ve ever heard

[@SaiScribbles]

@@amethystimagination3332 Maybe cause Lily can't draw lol. I wasn't going to make fun of the wife's art after I learned it wasn't Lily's though.

[@Chaosqueenngami]

​@@amethystimagination3332 I'm pretty sure every Mangaka ever would like to have a word with Lily.

[@amethystimagination3332]

@@Chaosqueenngami I have a major in communications and a minor in English on top of the animation, I also would like a word with Lily 😂

[@rckstrrz]

no one: Lily Orchard: "Rebecca Sugar POISONED my water supply, BURNED my crops, and DELIVERED a plague unto my house."

[@kingsleybonsu2476]

Everyone: "She did?"

[@ImSparky2002]

Lily Orchard: No! But am I gonna wait around until she DOES?!@@kingsleybonsu2476

[@paruparupopVA]

Rebecca sugar: " I did?? "

[@minnion2871]

Wait... Is Rebecca Lilli's mom?

[@bluewolf6323]

​@@minnion2871 If you're genuinely asking that question, no Rebecca is not. Lily is just for some reason, really parasocial and hates on this one creator for god knows what reasons and takes it to every video of SU to have some form of shit talk on said creator.

[@moezfoez]

"Go write that fanfic if you want!" DON'T SAY THAT DON'T SAY THAT

[@moezfoez]

Also gotta say It's *so* refreshing seeing someone defend the diamonds like you did

[@dxitydevil]

@@moezfoezIKR the diamonds are so underrated. And critics like lily dont help jaja

[@morganyoung3557]

Honestly it is great to see other people who like the Diamonds, they are great characters and they just kept getting even better with each appearance they made.

[@loganon2216]

DON'T LET HER COOK-

[@darkbeetlebot]

I mean, at least if she makes the fanfic she might finally shut up, and nobody has to actually read it.

[@SonicHeadhog-fm1ce]

Lily trying to imply Rebecca Sugar is a pedo is so ironic it's not even funny 💀

[@arsonvamp]

“can’t do stockholm, i wrote that one” 🙃

[@kyurama6443]

Well, apparently sugar drew NSFW Ed, edd & Eddy art which were children so it's kinda disturbing

[@EddieBrockFan]

@@kyurama6443 she was underage when she did that so like, no shit that teens do weird shit

[@arsonvamp]

@@kyurama6443 they were in their teens when they did that, teenagers do weird, dumb shit like that. lily was in her mid 20s when she wrote stockholm. there’s a huge difference there.

[@Zeno11Salazar]

I had completely forgotten she ever called Rebecca that, normally it's usually Nazi.

[@E3AloeLi]

Also, I find it hilarious that Lilly says that she’s changed when all of her videos just goes over the same points like honey you absolutely have not changed.

[@Deg40000]

It’s astonishing really to be that tone deaf in the same breath and no change and grow at all. Interesting 🤔

[@E3AloeLi]

@@Deg40000 I guess she doesn’t understand show don’t tell lol

[@juul-fuul]

literally same shit different steven universe hate vid

[@Saiyusa]

We were right to press x

[@lxmesoda]

​@@juul-fuulsame shit different toilet

[@john_o]

"Confidently incorrect" YES, those are exactly the two words to describe Lily Orchard.

[@bob171]

It's honestly more funny to think Rebecca Sugar and Lily knew eachother as kids, and Rebecca stole her lunch money one time, and Lily hasn't gotten over it since then

[@warningdeadinside2537]

That's what Lily thinks happened when, in reality, she dropped a quarter and Rebecca found it later on the floor. She picked it up and kept it, and Lily interpreted that as having her lunch money stolen.

[@bob171]

​@@warningdeadinside2537It all makes sense now 😂

[@Lina420blazeit]

​@@warningdeadinside2537 she would lol

[@ANSHUMANSINGH-v7c]

Really is that TRUE??

[@sudokuacrobatics]

I once knew someone who kept harassing some other guy for 8 years, because that guy broke his cellphone and refused to pay 8 usd in your currency for the repairs, I think if I go back to my hometown that guy would still be trying to ruin the life of the other guy 😂 She reminds me of that guy lmao

[@PhantomFoxStar]

it seems lily just straight up lacks knowledge on story-telling elements and their purpose

[@ronan-outoftime]

i feel like she's just trying to disguise her opinions and interpretations (and possibly her ego?) as factual evidence and legitimate criticism and it just does not work

[@HavingCrumpets]

isnt that what every joke-of-a-reviewer does?@@ronan-outoftime

[@compareandcontrast9833]

Lily in a nut shell.

[@spunchflopbadpants]

Maybe because it’s a terrible story?

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

​@@compareandcontrast9833 Lily is a narcissist

[@inkpinkghost7421]

I feel like it’s disturbing how Lily interprets every form of love as sexual

[@SaiScribbles]

Yeah the whole "fusions can't be relationships if there's no intimacy". Uh... working relationships? Business relationships? Team relationships?

[@inkpinkghost7421]

@@SaiScribbles even just how she calls the diamonds a harem and brings up (not) Connie’s age when she kisses Steven is just bizarre

[@jellynut5903]

It's so disturbing and gross, and she even sexualizes it when the scene is not even sexual 💀 I think it's cuz she's chronically online

[@comradekitty3759]

wasnt eyeball and that teardrop gem just in a revenge deal fusion. i dont think they needed to love each other to fuse.

[@weirdcakes304]

people seem to forget that platonic love is indeed a thing, which makes me kinda sad..

[@whoevencares123]

Lily is probably one of the best examples of how a person can be both homophobic and queer at the same time

[@gothica3605]

Sad part is there are a lot of queer people who think they can't be homophobic and ect just because they're apart of the community themselves. Ive seen POC claim they can't be racist because they're black. It's no different then people who say, "I can't be racist because I have a black friend" They really believe they aren't horrible when they actually are.

[@Pukeprincess]

And also a Native American who’s racist as hell and writes pro colonizer fanfiction

[@WishGender]

@@gothica3605Example A: Blair White Example B: Candace Owens

[@mr.x6313]

@@WishGenderThat’s a stupid comment and you should be embarrassed.

[@prosperosmoon]

And a pedo 😬

[@vegapunk-aurora]

"Writers stay off Twitter" Nah yeah she's totally right. After all Lily Orchard is on there, I'd hate to hear what kind of headass nonsense she had to say about my shit

[@TheBonkleFox]

Getting off of twitter is unironically the best choice anyone can make now.

[@ketaminepoptarts]

twitter is basically a free preview of hell anyways, no one should ever be on there

[@AryaPlus]

@@ketaminepoptarts Twitter is the hell free trial to see if we like it, the people fully in hell just forgot to cancel

[@matt0044]

Sadly… Twitter has become too much of a marketing tool for writers to look past.

[@Grf1556]

Lily got banned from twitter a few years go for inciting violence.

[@gyrosik8851]

Lily has one of the most of misogynistic views on Steven Universe I've seen

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Which is weird considering she's a woman.

[@tamirisgaelzer1902]

I wonder why

[@NintendoMeister2260]

For a bi trans woman she’s surprisingly unprogressive.

[@princekyle4132]

Because she is DEEPLY misogynistic. If someone’s a misandrist (which she objectively is, just look how she talks about guy characters), misogyny isn’t far behind and vice versa 💀💀💀💀

[@Grf1556]

Lily only views women as sexual objects and not people, nobody hates women more than Lily does. There's also the fact that Lily is both a rapist and sexual predator.

[@lise9874]

I truly think that Rose dying was meant to be a metaphor for a mother dying in childbirth. It’s a terrifyingly common way for mothers to die, because having kids is dangerous to the health of the mom. Yet women all over the world willingly risk their health and lives bc of the desire to bring a child into the world. And some of those women died. And those kids never get to meet their birth mom, and they’re only ever told about her. And she’s likely glorified by the surrounding family because they loved her, and they might even see that kid as some kind of replacement, or just a silver lining. That kid is forever tied to the death of their own parent. And then imagine finding out that the parent you’ve been tied to your whole life isn’t some shining monolith of all that is good, but a flawed person, who maybe even did stuff you think is bad. That will, to me, always be what I see when I see the story of Steven and Rose. A flawed person whose desire to have a child, cost her her life.

[@SaiScribbles]

Oh yes of course. Like anything else you can read several allegories into Rose. I'm sure children who maybe did have a mother die in childbirth or die early on in their life could really relate to Steven's struggle. And I think it's an important reason why Rose *could not* still exist and come back. Cause no kid with a dead parent is going to magically get that parent back. And like I said in the video we should never know her true motives because Steven is never going to know them.

[@ashleypisarts]

Excellent point about their relationship and the very real themes present within it. Steven Universe is so rich with themes and messages, which is another reason for why I hold this show close to my heart.

[@WeebGuru6]

No it’s not common not saying it don’t happen but it’s not common

[@Xephyr12]

I never watched the whole show as a kid, so this is what I always assumed was the case from day one

[@dream_walker9726]

@@WeebGuru6it’s shouldn’t be as common as it is though, that’s the sad part.

[@DeeEll1]

"steven spends most of the story cleaning up the mess left by his deadbeat mom" lily... stevens mom wasnt a deadbeat, she was just dead. lily, you have to understand theres a difference between being dead and deadbeat.

[@dxitydevil]

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[@Fawnsong55]

this sent me into the andromeda galaxy oml

[@brandonandstuff239]

Rose is a horrible person no doubt, but she's fucking dead I don't get Lily's claim .

[@Fawnsong55]

@@brandonandstuff239 neither do i.. "oh he's a deadbeat dad for leaving his kid" "sharon he died a month before little timmy was born what are you talking about"

[@deen7530]

@@Fawnsong55 "He said he was going to get milk, and he never came back! That is the definition of a deadbeat!" "He never came back because he got killed in a hit and run on his way home!"

[@Birthday888]

Lily trusts the word of an multi-million media company over the word of a show's actual creator. Wow. That made me feel physically ill.

[@darko1295]

self-described leftist btw

[@bluewolf6323]

If you want more proof she sucks, in her words, paraphrasing it here, she actively has said that SU is an example of why creators shouldn't have so much creative freedom and more cooperate meddling. She's very anti-art...

[@randompromises1038]

​@@bluewolf6323 she literally did a whole video about why when she uses art in her videos she doesn't give credit for it, woman is VERY anti-art.

[@bluewolf6323]

@randompromises1038 I'm both curious and rolling my eyes at why she doesn't credit the artist... I bet it's something stupid like "Oh, it's public domain, you guys can just find it yourselves" or "Why should I credit them if they work for me?"

[@randompromises1038]

@@bluewolf6323 hang on I'll rewatch the video for you rq so you don't have to lmao I forgot the reason too

[@liutoturtle5195]

As someone who knows Lily's old video no, even My Little Pony is too complicated for her, she litterally victim blame one of the villains in the MLP movie that was discrimated as a kid for being basically the pony equivalent of a disable person, Lily coudn't even understan My Little Pony

[@Rock-holmes-4ever]

So she got pissy about Tempest wanting revenge for having magic taken from her and ignored because of it!? She doesn't even like complex moment from a show she apparently enjoyed? She doesn't understand how layered characters and is giving out writing advice... And is giving advice on how to be inclusive while discriminate!?

[@liutoturtle5195]

@@Rock-holmes-4ever She said that "Her friend didn't want to play with her once and that made her a terrorist" not understanding that the Tempest song flashback was not to be taken litteraly but more to make you understand that she was discrimated for not having a horn, i undertood that cutscene the first time i watched when i was 13 and she didn't when she was years older than me.....

[@phoenixfire1074]

Not to mention that Tempest lost her horn in a freak accident. That’s why she’s scarred; she was attacked by an Ursa Minor trying to retrieve her ball.

[@atlasllm]

I unsubbed from Lily when I was a kid when I started feeling her MLP content was getting too toxic and unfun to watch; It felt like a villain reveal when I realized the same "lady who was getting too weirdly upset over MLP" was the same "Steven Universe is Garbage and Here's Why" lady 😭😭😭

[@starvoltnexus3139]

@@liutoturtle5195that’s Starlight Glimmer But I won’t push back too much against that because they really should’ve picked a better backstory

[@perrilewis180]

I want to talk about my favorite part if the movie; when Yellow Diamond laughs at Spinel's joke about her trauma. Spinel is a clown, she's at her happiest when making others laugh. That was her first joke in a long time. And guess who laughed? The straight laced former military leader Yellow Diamond. Of couse she likes gallows humor. Yellow Diamond even picks her up!! It's beautiful

[@SaiScribbles]

If you pay attention Yellow seems to have a really corny sense of humor and I love it lol.

[@filmfreak1994]

The petty insistence of infantilizing Rebecca Sugar by calling her "Becky" throughout the video. Lily Orchard never grew out of her schoolyard bully phase.

[@SaiScribbles]

I mean I jokingly will call her "Becky Sucrose" sometimes and did so once in the video, but yeah Lily was clearly doing it to be disrespectful.

[@filmfreak1994]

@@SaiScribbles Oh yeah, I take no issue with something like that, equivalent naming is hilarious. But you're also obviously not being a jerk about it.

[@DancesWithFriesians]

I don't recall the name of the video, but there's one video here on KZbin discussing Lily drama. Someone who commented on it saying they went to the same high school as Lily. She apparently had a rep as a bully then too. Commenter described how she tried to physically attack him once, but some other kids saw what was going on and pushed Lily down instead. So this is a pattern of behavior for her.

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Yeah was also bothered by that!..

[@bluewolf6323]

I also feel like, why Lily calling Rebecca "Becky" is uncomfortable is because it feels way too personal. Like, Lily is acting like Rebecca is her childhood friend that turned enemy and now Lily is using a personal nickname as poison condescending. Also, it's feels like a bully trope where a bully will call you a nickname in a way that is so condescending and underhanded, that it'll take a while to understand why they're saying it like that...

[@TiaGems]

I feel like Lily willfully ignores the fact that Steven Universe is a children's show whose primary marketed demographic is 7-12 year olds

[@SaiScribbles]

I mean obviously Lily aimed the original "Garbage" videos at the adult fanbase, but yeah that doesn't change that objectively this is a children's show. And getting mad at it for being a children's show is so asinine.

[@Molly-iw1rc]

As someone who LOVES Garnet, I'm personally offended by how Lily is trying to use her as an example of racism in the show. When I was younger, I was really happy to see Garnet with an "afro" and being cool while also being the best parental figure in the show for Steven. Garnet is obviously a black character, and I think she is a good rep and they gave her character a nice amount of depth, ACTUALLY A LOT OF DEPTH. It's weird to see someone attempt to claim they did Garnet dirty on purpose because of the race she represents through her character design and voice acting. I think Garnet is easily the most likeable out of the main three gems.

[@SaiScribbles]

It pisses me off even more because in the behind the scenes of the movie Estelle talks about how it was her idea for Steven to sing his verse in True Kind of Love and she was so happy that she gets to work on a show where she gets to make creative input like that. So acting like she's completely oblivious that she's voicing a character that's treated in a racist way (which she isn't) is... uh... a bit YIKES there, Lily.

[@Molly-iw1rc]

@@SaiScribbles FR

[@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769]

Well, Lily was under the impression that Pearl literally raped Garnet and that Pearl is supposed to be a white woman even though her voice actor isn't white so that's where her allegations of racism is coming from. She basically has a worse understanding of this show then what a child would get from it

[@SaiScribbles]

@@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769 One of my favorite internet genres is when a person who purports themselves to be very progressive tries to call someone else racist only to reveal how incredibly racist they themselves are in the process.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@SaiScribblessounds like she’s infantilizing Estelle

[@xanosghoul]

Lily orchard straight up DENYING that a Rebecca Sugar had to overcome any homophobia to get Ruby and Shappire's wedding in the show is so wild. She genuinely cares more about feeling right about how much of a psycho she was towards a kids show then any kind of solidarity with one of the most pro queer creators in all of animation.

[@guncannon109]

Straight up, Lily is under the impression that industry wide homophobia is over and that if cartoons wanna put in lgbt characters they should just shut up and do it.

[@latviandragon2718]

@@guncannon109 I mean half of the shows push lgbt stuff so I can see her point in that

[@guncannon109]

@@latviandragon2718 Yes, but her point ignores the push back that yes we do in fact still get.

[@BlueEngland]

She... she didn't? Did we watch the same videos?

[@guncannon109]

@@BlueEngland she never out right says it, but still heavily implies it by stating that lgbt creators who don't just put queer characters out in the open in their works are either cowards or morally bankrupt.

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

What people like lily forget is that sex is about removing the protection of your cloths to allow someone you trust and have sexual feelings for to make contact with parts of your body that you would otherwise feel very protective over. Whereas fusion is a collaboration similar to symbiotic relationships, with fusions being stronger the more mutualistic they are. The fusion needs to synchronize their thoughts, but they do not know each others thoughts just by fusing. This makes it more like sharing a car than having sex.

[@dream_walker9726]

More like sharing a car than having sex, I really like this analogy:)

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

It's also because Lily gets no b*tches because they all ran away from her because she abused them.

[@TindraSan]

make sense that I've seen several ppl with DID identify with fusions, as alot of them also use "sharing a car" as an analogy for their own experiences

[@FunKayyy]

​@@TindraSan im stoopid, what's DID?

[@vlinderfin]

​@JimmmayyFunK Disassociative Identity Disorder, you may have also heard of it as 'multiple personalities disorder' it's where multiple personalities and identities that are separate from one another and independent exist in the same body, pretty much always as a result of severe trauma causing the person in question to sort of ... like ... create new people in their own head, it's complicated and I don't know much about it, but yeah, that's what it is

[@TotalFreakZoid]

SOMEONE GOT IT! Someone finally got the fact that Pearl was moved by Rock music and NOT BY STEGG!

[@SaiScribbles]

Steg's power is to literally uplift people with music like it's right there.

[@TotalFreakZoid]

@@SaiScribbles It makes me want to scream into a pillow when people misinterpret that scene as like... something sexual. IT'S ROCK MUSIC. OF COURSE STEGG WOULD BE A HUNK! Also Hi! I just recently found you and I love your content XD

[@Broeckchen]

I especially like that Sai actually pinpointed how rock was vital because of the element of rebellion. The hip sway is a pretty clear references to (among other things) Elvis Presley. Ya know. The guy whose music and dancing made people clutch their pearls, strongly influenced the rockabilly generation, and made him named King of Rock. They didn't put him in a disco suit so I guess that wasn't on the nose enough for Lily.

[@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769]

The worst thing about Lily Orchards original video, something I never saw someone call out yet is that she shows Lapis telling Jasper that she liked taking everything out on her and hated her, then cuts out what she says literally one second after that in order to deceptively change the context of the scene to support her argument about Rebecca Sugar supposedly not knowing anything about relationships.

[@SaiScribbles]

I'm pretty Lapis critical but yeah her line right after that is "it was bad". And Jasper, well, Jasper is already pretty fucked up in the head and none of that really helped. I think where the Crew really fumbled Lapis was giving a long set up to the moment she steals the barn away from Peridot because Peridot won't flee the Earth with her, and then just concluding that with her coming back to fight the Diamonds, Steven giving her a hug, and Peridot barely being able to get a word in because they just really wanted Lapis in the finale.

[@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769]

@@SaiScribbles I always just assumed that Lapis and Peridot had a long conversation about it in which Lapis apologizes after they reformed off screen(since they were shown together as a team again in the finale and since there was absolutely enough time in between when they poofed and when they show up again for this to happen) but your right that it would have been better if they actually showed this.

[@SaiScribbles]

I always say if Lapis had just said "sorry" when she showed up instead of a smug "hey" like she's deigning to grace Peridot with her presence it wouldn't piss me off so much.

[@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769]

@@SaiScribbles I agree. This was probably a result of the network making Rebecca Sugar feel like she had to rush things due to them constantly trying to cancel the show and cut it short but even if she had a very limited amount of screen time left, there's still a lot that could have been cut and replaced with an apology song or something like that.

[@SaiScribbles]

@@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769 The Crew seems to really like Lapis but never knew exactly what to do with her. And then they set up that fantastic story line with Peridot and just fumbled the resolution in favor of having Lapis be in the main team for the finale. It just annoys me XD

[@lemon_p1ss978]

1:02 ‘I was being abused!!’ So, if you were abused, you want sympathy for abuse, but you can’t give any sympathy for the show that speaks about different types of abuse, manipulation, and c-ptsd? So, Lily wants sympathy for being a shitty person during an abusive time? But doesn’t want to give sympathy for those who were also abused?

[@SaiScribbles]

To be fair I don't think Lily would need to be abused to be shitty.

[@anneoneal3865]

Sounds about right.

[@Homodemon]

@@SaiScribbles I remember her saying (on her other SU video) "We all know abuse victims dont exactly grow up to become good people, exactly", while referring to how "sinister and abusive" Lapiz turned out after Jasper happened, which, in context of all we know about Lily, sounds like such MASSIVE projection on her part... Like, Lily, just because you grew to become a piece of shit after your experience, it doesn't mean ALL abuse victims turn out for the worst too.... Your experience is not a monolith! She keeps doing this shit of going "I also went through this and that" but instead of like, making a contrast or just sharing that fact, she weaponizes it and treats her baggage as the ONLY way things go for EVERYONE ELSE. And if she's a stunned piece of shit thanks to abuse, then everyone else is too.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

​@@SaiScribbles That's because Lily wasn't abused. At all. Lily was the abuser trying to disguise herself as the abuse victim. Lily was never abused.

[@blacksesamecandies]

@@nevaehhamilton3493 Given the information we have recieved from Lily's ex-girlfriends and sister, this seems to hold weight. It's pretty weird how they all seemingly have had a very similiar experience with Lily. She is a sinsister, nasty person given what has been said and frankly should be in jail if the allegations are true. It's hard to believe someone like her is going around spouting about abuse, victims and trying to hold some righteous virtue above everyone else. She literally *brags* about SAing someone to "teach them a lesson", even if somehow that's a lie she used to make herself seem badass, WHAT THE FUCK?!

[@SpriteTheWolf]

Unfun fact! Those OCs Lily uses for "Scars" are just repurposed from her MLP fanfic "Stockholm" which she denies writing! It's an entire rabbit hole and it sucks!

[@SaiScribbles]

FUCK now I wish I kept my crack at Stockholm in 😂

[@PaintSplashProductions]

Doesn’t she have an OC who’s literally the child of her and Gardevoir 😨

[@KEEPTALKIN8215]

​@@PaintSplashProductionsfun fact: in pokemon legends arceus it's hinted at that a man had children with a frostlass.

[@MattTOB618]

​​@@KEEPTALKIN8215 And in the Japanese version of Diamond/Pearl, there's a book that describes how people and Pokemon used to marry each other. In English, it got changed to "used to eat at the same table", but the sentiment behind it (that Pokémon and humans used to be closer to equals than they are now) is still there.

[@oranjaglad8648]

@@MattTOB618But I’m not sure if that book was describing actual history or a legend of sorts. Still doesn’t nullify what Lily wrote, though.

[@longc35]

Malachite is all about power, that’s why Lapis could “trap” Jasper in the fusion, they fused so they could be strong. Lapis wants the power to not feel helpless and Jasper has a might makes right mentality so what matters to her is that they are powerful. Malachite is the most powerful Jasper has ever been and she’s not going to let go of that, even if it means being trapped at the bottom of the ocean. They’re in a mutually destructive relationship that neither is willing to walk away from.

[@SaiScribbles]

Yes that perfectly makes sense. And of course Jasper has no concept of just how fucked up what Lapis did to her is. She just ends up respecting Lapis because Jasper had a hard time overcoming her.

[@randompromises1038]

​@@SaiScribbles most likely bc Jasper has always been taking orders from people more powerful than her and clearly admires that person no matter what, as in SU: FUTURE instead of seeing that Steven quite literally killing her is bad, she worships the ground he walks on.

[@SaiScribbles]

@@randompromises1038 Yeah like I said in the video in Jasper's mind she and Steven are on the same page now. He proved he was worthy of giving her orders. She just completely misread the situation in her special Jasper way.

[@NintendoMeister2260]

We can even see this when Jasper gets control of Malachite and doesn’t leave it. She even thanks the crystal gems for giving her that power.

[@sophieknowles4876]

Lily: I feel like I've changed a lot in the last few years. Now I can look at this cartoon show for kids with a clear head. Also Lily: *spends both videos lying, manipulating footage, insulting Sugar and their whole team, while constantly misunderstanding the show and everything around it*

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Also Lily wasn't ever abused. She's just a narcissist who is delusional enough to believe everything she says is the truth

[@lxmesoda]

dude the manipulating of footage from thr show in her video reminds me of how old reality TV shows would do like "villainous" camera shots of people that the crew or fans hated to makw the person look bad

[@sussybaka119]

*Again 😂

[@damienearl8302]

It's like she was born to be the truest form of the character CinemaSins plays, it's nuts!

[@NintendoMeister2260]

Only real development is she isn’t going rage mode every 5 seconds.

[@fionna_cool_girl]

Honestly i think the removal of mystery girl was smart and the kinda implied relationship of Pearl and Bismuth is MUCH better. Pearl should move on from Rose, not be with someone that reminds her of Rose. Lots of people with dead spouses have that internal fight to learn to move on, find someone that does make them happy, but shouldn't have to find a replacement of the person they lost. That's not healthy. It's not fair to the new partner and it's not fair to the one that lost their partner. I'm glad they removed mystery girl and that something is implied between Bismuth and Pearl. She's moving on. That's what matters

[@SaiScribbles]

That's a good point. Mystery Girl was kind of a little stepping stone for Pearl. Also the second Bismuth Casual dropped I shipped the hell out of it so I may be biased lol.

[@matti.8465]

Yeah and the whole point of the episode was Pearl learning to put herself out there, not finding true love

[@EspiritoDeDafne]

Completly right. She was trying to meet new people (in a potentially romantic way) for the First time. She doesnt have to find the love of her life that quickly (or ever, since feeling complete with herself is a great part of her character arc and the meaning of Independent Together). We even see later that she got other people numbers. So shes putting herself out there, shes meeting people, possibly going on dates, and thats already great

[@mkboy2830]

there was actually concept art for a scraped episode that would have mystery girl show up. Said episode was called "the show" and would have featured pearl, her steven, and amethyst at a rolling rink.

[@velasco9210]

What interested me about Pearl and Rose was, I had thought Pearl liked Mystery Girl because she looked a bit like Rose. But then we find out the only reason Rose looked the way she does, was because Pearl projected the idea of her looking like a regular quartz and Pink used that look for Rose Quartz. So after that I sort of reevaluated the order. Pearl just likes them large women I guess! (and yeah girl get it)

[@royalbandit8106]

I've noticed Lily keeps suggesting a show primarily made by a woman, staring mostly women, should have more "quiet scenes" where no one talks... 🤔

[@starvoltnexus3139]

Woman should be seen not heard :/ yeah uhh Lily…

[@Broeckchen]

* afab nobinary person. Rebecca Sugar identifies as nonbinary, not as a woman. Doesn't mean they don't get treated with misogyny, but it's kind of sad that this gets erased considering... you know. How the gems are basically an expression of this (nonbinary beings identifying as women).

[@bibigamer502]

Seems like Lily wants to go back a few decades

[@princekyle4132]

Because Lily hates women 😭😭😭

[@ThoseShouldBeRPandas]

In the part about steven shattering jasper, like he also immediately recognizes he did a *horrible* thing as he basically panics over what happened. Like, that is a huge part about it. They dont just wave it away or shove it under a rug, like he is very much impacted by his actions there and the episode reflects this. Like his panic is very visceral, I got chills when I watched that part and I didn't even like Jasper. But his regret and panic and desperation to fix that horrible mistake is shown in its entirety pretty much. Thats literally keeping on theme to him saying a couple years before that no one deserves to be shattered. The moment with white diamond is much more in line with the point that Lily wants to make. But even then its not perfect, because Steven is clearly having a mental spiral at that point, be it a panic attack or some kind of episode with his ptsd. He is not shown to be in the right for wanting to shatter white diamond. In fact, it's literally shown that he is Not At All Ok and is spiraling HARD. So either example falls flat because the show doesn't treat Lily's examples like she claims it does.

[@SaiScribbles]

I do think Fragments happened partially for meta reasons, since Future *does* throw alot of shade at both the audience and the show itself. Kind of like... oh? You want to see Steven shatter a Gem? Really? You sure? And choosing Jasper for this was also just brilliant. Despite only featuring heavily in two episodes of Future we were given so much more insight into her character and mindset. Well and of course at the end of the scene with White Diamond we see Steven has only really ended up hurting himself. But that's a metaphor so Lily will probably fail to understand it.

[@ThoseShouldBeRPandas]

@@SaiScribbles True, I forgot for a moment that anything beyond a surface level look at what was happening is too in depth for her to get, lmao. Great video btw!

[@annonymousannonymous9586]

Spinel is not just a playmate or a toy, she's also a Court Jester, and if you understand more about Jesters, then it makes much more sense why she ended up the way she did.

[@joshuahere5097]

Bros one job was to entertain, did everything right, and got quiet fired anyways If you don’t have a purpose in life it can really eat at you.

[@Dukeofnachos]

After sitting through this who thing and hearing Lily call Steven a white boy in order to I guess allude to believing that any focus on him is inherently wasted/not worth it/should be disregarded, I want to point out to everyone that Lily is white. _Lily is white._ She paints her avatar way darker than she actually is and claims native ancestry that doesn't exist.

[@SaiScribbles]

Yeah a white person hating on other white people while doing the whitest goddamn thing in claiming to be part native American is so funny.

[@bluewolf6323]

Lily keeps saying all this as if the show is going for a white savior cliche...which...I hate it here...I've seen some batshit stupid white savior, Avatar, my guilty-pleasure movie is so white savior, so calling Steven a white savior is hilarious...

[@randompromises1038]

Sounds about white. Smh, self-hate isn't really as progressive as white people make it out to be.

[@SpinDuality]

​@@bluewolf6323I thought you were calling Aang the avatar a white savior I was so confused. I forgot there was another Avatar franchise. :')

[@randompromises1038]

@@Axolotl44444 she rarely speaks about Native American issues unless it's to use it as "Everyone attacks me because I'm a Native American trans woman." There's essentially been no substantial proof that she's actually a person of color but there _is_ substantial evidence she's white.

[@-themightymittens-]

I relate to Spinel's story. I've had "friends" who ditched me and I waited, desperately wanting them to come back. It doesn't make them monsters for not wanting to be friends with me anymore, they could have told me more directly, but they're not evil. They weren't happy hanging out with me.

[@SaiScribbles]

I've been on both Pink and Spinel's side as a kid so it resonated with me. Spinel herself also resonates me cause I was always one of those awkward "entertainer" kids.

[@benjamindeez]

Lily Orchard made me feel terrible for liking SU, but now I know for a fact she's utterly incorrect... I can enjoy one of my favorite shows in peace once again.

[@SaiScribbles]

I know it can be hard not to internalize things like that, but I'm glad I could help!

[@dxitydevil]

Ikr, i used to be anxious that when i told someone i liked su, they’d js pull up with the exact same arguments lily used, because they probably didn’t even watch the show. Lily had a good way of manipulating the footage and script of her videos to make her points seem right. I’m glad people like HiP are getting more attention because the effort he’s putting in to put an end to SU discourse makes me feel like i can enjoy SU in peace again, just like you said !

[@starvoltnexus3139]

I’ve had that experience I knew someone similar to Lily

[@BeanieBabyXx]

It's one of the reasons I avoided her video like the plague and even then I still felt the need to criticise the show because I saw other people doing it. Then after a while I realised that it was stupid and I shouldn't let that get in the way so I rewatched Steven Universe and enjoyed it. I'm glad other people are able to do the same now.

[@kaiserepsilon4011]

We were all easily impressionable at one point.

[@daviszdirector]

garnet section ACTUALLY made me pissed, i LOVE it when a white person tells me, a black guy, what is and isn't racist and tells me how i should feel about it

[@SaiScribbles]

I mean to be fair I'm white too but DEAR GOD Lily's statements are unbelievable

[@Ca11MeMayb3]

I think lily is partially Native American but your point still stands

[@SpiderandMosquito]

​​@@Ca11MeMayb3actually, according to Courtney Peet, lily's sister, that's an old family myth on their mother's side that's never been verified. Outside of their mom's fetish for the aesthetic, they lived in a white Christian neighborhood. Also, she's not as dark skinned as her avatar is. Sooooo.... *awkwardly hisses through teeth* yeah...

[@Ca11MeMayb3]

@@SpiderandMosquito ohh😅 thanks for telling me. Somehow I'm not surprised

[@Vesperad0]

​@@SpiderandMosquitowait, really?? Thats new to me. As a fairly brown skinned person i mostly saw kids like me drawing themselves lighter than they really were...never thought I'd hear the opposite. Does she think it makes her "arguments" more valid, or is it just an extension of fetishy behavior from her mom?

[@streakyanchovy]

The only thing I have to say on Lily’s opinions on writing is this: She wrote Stockholm. She has no right to critique anything or anyone this harshly on writing when her own stuff isn’t just bad, but so offensively horrendous that it’s not even funny anymore.

[@daniellejackson6543]

I keep hearing about this stockholm thing and I am not sure what it is. Can you inform me about this?

[@ltheoddboy]

​@@daniellejackson6543 Stockholm is an MLP fanfiction that Lily wrote along with one of her friends where the main thing is that Rainbow Dash is an intersex individual, but is also a sex obsessed child predator who who S/A's several children throughout the story, including her own child, MULTIPLE TIMES. In excruciating, disgusting detail. Full on sex scenes where it's portrayed as enjoyable. There are other characters that have this same disgusting incest child S/A relationship, like the dazzlings, but RD is seen as the main character throughout the whole story. We're supposed to be on her side and pity her. It's so fucking disgusting. Lily claims she's never written the story, despite the fact that she's admitted to writing it SEVERAL times in the past. She's a disgusting liar, and a child sexualizer. Not to even mention the shit she did to her sister... It's clear she was projecting onto RD throughout the whole story. It's so fucking gross. I genuinely, GENUINELY recommend you don't look into it. It's actually so disturbing, the fanfiction really goes into every single detail about each S/A and plays it off as something great on both sides. It's genuinely horrendous.

[@weirdcakes304]

@@daniellejackson6543It’s an MLP fanfiction Lily wrote a couple years back that features and normalizes pedophilic relationships

[@tired_jazz_hands9232]

⁠@@daniellejackson6543Watch a video about it if you really want to know the big picture (or willing to go through mental trauma) It’s basically a fanfic Lily wrote about Rainbow Dash from mlp being a pedophile and having sexual relations with the cutie mark crusaders (You know the cute trio of LITTLE GIRLS, from this LITTLE GIRLS SHOW) Lily treats it like it’s just like those other edgy/horror mlp fan stories, but none of the other characters in Stockholm treat what Rainbow’s doing to these kids as wrong, some even join in (what the actual fuck) It’s also that thing of “oh the kids wanted it” just god it’s not “edgy” it’s just an awful reflection of Lily’s character

[@ember9361]

@@daniellejackson6543 trust me, you don't want to read this next sentence onwards if you're repulsed by sexualization of children imagery-- it's a mlp "fan"fic where RainbowDash is not only a pedophile, but adopts, assaults and everyone around her excuses and encourages her behaviour. The whole thing is too fucking gross with incest riddled plotlines, CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, and most gross of all, a bunch of gross excuses for how harmless pedos are for having this condition. It's a fantasy novel about a pedo living in a world of pedos riddled with, you guessed it, other pedos. I can never see rainbow dash the same way again, even the video showcasing how she was, in fact, the one who wrote it (after trying to distance herself from it) ruined RD to me. ew.

[@thebattle7000]

I really hate how Lily calls Pink Diamond, Rose Quartz and Steven Pink. It's been very well hammered that they're 3 different individuals, ESPECIALLY STEVEN NOT BEING HIS MOM, WHICH WAS A THEME SPANNING ACROSS THE ENTIRE SERIES But I guess Lily really did forget to rewatch Steven Universe. Or at the very least rewatch fucking Change Her Mind. Nobody is deadnaming Lily, yet Lily has no issue with deadnaming Rose and completely incorrectly calling Steven Pink.

[@SaiScribbles]

Well I'd argue Pink and Rose are not different individuals. I kinda view Pink as Rose's teenage or young adult self and Rose as her adult and older adult self. Gems don't age but you can get that impression just via the designs, Pink looks much more "young" and Rose looks much more matronly. But yeah Steven is absolutely not his mom that was what the entire ending was about.

[@Greevheattak]

She do be doing that, all the time, to actual people, yeah, she disrespects others and their pronouns and prefered names whenever she disagree with somebody and it's so awful

[@MacaroniArchon]

I see it as rose getting rid of her younger self as rose is the adult version and pink diamond being the child version

[@princekyle4132]

Lily deadnames and disrespects the identity of those she doesn’t like, especially if they’re real people 💀

[@dracocrusher]

Can we all just acknowledge how good the Spinel scythe reveal is? You see her and it's like super goofy character, super obvious villain, they're doing goofy cartoon stuff and it's pretty normal fare. And then she pulls out the freaking scythe to the music with the most evil expression ever and it's like "OH. OH SHIT. She's not playing around!" It's just such an edgy weapon and it's pulsating with lightning and crap, lol! They couldn't make her look more serious if they tried and it's so far it kind-of wraps back around to being funny in its own way when you think about it.

[@SaiScribbles]

That's a good point. And it kind of foreshadows her even darker turn before her final fight with Steven. Where she says "I don't wanna play anymore" and he shouts it isn't a game, and then she punches him in the face hard enough to make him bleed with a sickening CRACK and no backing music. That moment makes you go... oh yeah damn. She really ain't playin'. Cause to be honest before she even pulled out the scythe I was like ah rubber hose cartoon logic made terrifying! Awesome!

[@francescominoguarino827]

Onestly it's pretty simple what they were trying to do. Spinel shows up with a giant Injector that looks like an hourglass and a scythe. Who do you think that's supposed to symbolyse? It's death, it literally symbolyses death, because Spinel has come to kill Steven and to end his Happily ever after. She is supposed to represent death, on a very basic and evocative level.

[@dracocrusher]

@@francescominoguarino827 I think you're missing the point I'm making a bit... Sure, obvious symbolism is obvious, but there is still something to be said about giving all this edgy crap to a goofy cartoon character and playing up the reveal like this.

[@meteorstarthearcher5350]

and now i have her song stuck in my head LOL

[@Aerafuz]

And it has one of the best animated sequences. Lily just doesn't understand entertainment.

[@Cr33persJeepers]

Lilly does end up calling Rebecca a Nazi because there's a line where Lilly says "the diamonds- i mean Rebecca Sugar"

[@spongecakes1986]

Thank you! I can't believe everybody's just forgetting about that. Sure, she technically didn't outright say "Rebecca Sugar is a Nazi," but by calling her a Diamond, than later calling the Diamonds Nazis, she's calling Rebecca Sugar a Nazi. She's just being more sneaky about it so she can pretend that people are strawmanning her. Along with the "I'M not calling Rebecca Sugar a Nazi, BUT"

[@Molly-iw1rc]

Why do people think Steven is annoying? I think he is adorable lol he is a kid doing kid things and also experiencing terrible trauma half the time, but he seems like a kid. Sometimes it feels like people who complain about characters like Steven just don't like or respect how children interact with the world. Like those are the people who just want kids to be silent and obedient or just not exist. Like how do you get mad at Steven for talking, asking questions, making silly jokes? I can't lol

[@SaiScribbles]

I'll concede he's kind of annoying in the first ten or so episodes cause the show was still finding its feet and he was much more of a stinky little gremlin child at first but yeah... he's a KID. That's one thing I always liked about SU. Steven and Connie are written like actual children, complete with dumb child logic. Shows too often write children like either pure angels or mini adults.

[@Molly-iw1rc]

@@SaiScribbles agreed. They feel written like children and even when I'm annoyed with them, I go, oh yeah they are kids

[@Asterite100]

I don't get it either! I thought his sense of whimsy was refreshing from the oversaturation of quirky-sarcastic-sassy characters we have nowadays. The only episode where he _really_ gets on my nerves is Serious Steven, because for some reason they thought it'd be funny to have Steven's VA scream every other line. Pretty much every other episode he's cool. Line delivery is everything, but I don't blame Steven's VA.

[@cyruscrompton8221]

I think Steven just has one of those archetypes that you either love or hate, they're everywhere!

[@shriderrad4123]

@@SaiScribbles Steven being a "kid" doesn't excuse the fact that he's still a obnoxious uninteresting character. The majority of Gumball and Clarence's cast of characters are kids but they're still really fun and engaging to watch despite acting like children they're age.

[@SparrowsDen]

13:02 DEADBEAT MOM??? SHES JUST DEAD NOT DEADBEAT????? Deadbeat means in this context to be "A person who deliberately avoids paying debts or neglects responsibilities." LILY. *SHES DEAD.*

[@SaiScribbles]

I don't think we can trust Lily to know the meanings of words at this point tbh.

[@cyruscrompton8221]

Dead beat mom who Started a rebellion for the sake of free will Unified people who were essentially slaves to fight back Saved all of humanity and earth Gave people a reason in life Literally DIED for the sake of a child she will never meet

[@SparrowsDen]

@@SaiScribbles i dont think so

[@daelen.cclark]

@@SaiScribbles I don’t think Lily can read.

[@tiekymmcnamara6269]

I mean, the parallel is obviously for Steven to be a kid whose parent died before he knew them. No one would talk about how great of a person someone was if they abandoned their kid, and they certainly would talk like that TO the KID THEY ABANDONED.

[@JayJames-ti3ob]

It feels like Steven being a kid angers lily somehow 😕

[@SaiScribbles]

I hope Lily never has children cause *damn*.

[@Justabookcauseyeah]

@@SaiScribbles I don't think Lily Orchard and children should be in the same sentence.

[@mysterykiddo2167]

@@Justabookcauseyeah Me neither

[@Sammy_The_Umbreon]

What bothers me about 'oh they redeemed the diamonds' is that everyone paints it as if they are all friends and stuff with the CG, like no????? Steven is still very much uncomfortable with them and avoids them, encounters are particularly akward and later Steven even has thoughts of killing White. They're not as redeemed as people pretend they are, which is why i love them too in the movie. They're great.

[@SaiScribbles]

I don't think it's right to even call it a "redemption". They were held accountable for their actions and are only just beginning to make amends. I wish more media had nuance beyond the false forgiveness or murder dichotomy. I always think back to the scene in Fullmetal Alchemist where Winry saves the life of the man who killed her parents. He asks if this means she forgives him and she without hesitation tells him no. But that because her parents were doctors she knows this is the right thing to do. That's the kind of philosophy I want to see on screen more.

[@spoopyvirgil4944]

@@SaiScribbles Permission to add in Katara's thing from ATLA? Where she only spared her parents' killer because she saw what a miserable old man he became and essentially saw that karma got to him first? I thought that was a pretty interesting way to look at things.

[@SaiScribbles]

@@spoopyvirgil4944 I don't think that's quite as nuanced but I do like that too. Actually what I find more interesting about that whole thing is *Zuko's* reaction to her behavior. Maybe seeing a bit of a mirrored reflection there.

[@FunWithColeen]

right??? they were never outright forgiven they were atoning for what they did. if they were shattered and killed like lily probably wants (in a kids show of all things) there would be no one to fix all the corrupted and shattered gems. they are slowly changing for the better and its going to take time but you dont have to forgive them. and thats a much better lesson to kids tbh

[@SaiScribbles]

@@FunWithColeen Gem society also needed to be changed from the top down. We can see from Gems like Jasper that a Diamond being shattered doesn't exactly erase their loyalty to that Diamond. So yeah imagine shattering the three remaining Diamonds and turning to Gem society like you just did them a favor. It would be pandemonium.

[@malenaavalos7829]

When she began saying "I don't believe the fight this queer woman faced to put representation on her show!" And she said that racist shit came from an article she "sourced" I thought I was watching a video by James Somerton

[@SaiScribbles]

Like the whole thing about Garnet's wedding is VERY well known information so I can only assume Lily omitted it on purpose.

[@malenaavalos7829]

@@SaiScribbles what I find similar about Lily and James is that they omit very well known information to push whatever narrative they want you to believe. I’ve also noticed Lily says any critique of her video is “angry fanboys” to not accept criticism, just as Somerton blamed homophobia for anytime anyone caught him plagiarizing. Also Lily is lying, SHE HAS CALLED REBECA A NAZI. She compared her to a Jewish woman who betrayed her community to the nazis on her Tumblr. Lily gaslights her audience to forget all the gross shit she did and said in the past even when the evidence is out in the open, specially regarding… THAT fic.

[@malenaavalos7829]

@@SaiScribbles I was watching the part where she says Let Us Adore You is a fetish song and HOLY SHIT. Lily has been acused of sexually abusing her sister, so the fact she reads something sexual in this clearly angelic type chorous that is so normal SPECIALLY WHEN STEVEN IS 16 is just so gross and it gets me really concerned dor Lily's sister

[@SaiScribbles]

@@malenaavalos7829 Oh it gets worse. WAY worse. Lily tries to sexualize every fucking thing in the movie.

[@malenaavalos7829]

@@SaiScribbles i see i see. I write all this comments as I watch. I get the feeling that Lily is racist towards Japanese people. She says all anime is crap, compares everything she doesn't like to anime and the one animator she hates is japanese (also I'm not sure but I've heard she thinks all japanese people have a tentacle fetish)

[@SaraBanartist]

I know other people have pointed this out already, but getting mad about Steven Universe being in every episode of STEVEN UNIVERSE is hilarious. What's next? Get out of here, Johnny Bravo and give someone else a chance to shine! Back off Danny Phantom! You're in too many episodes! I can't believe Jimmy Neutron is in another Jimmy Neutron cartoon! Like, seriously.

[@cyruscrompton8221]

It's funny how she says this is abnormal for a kids show when it is 100% normal Iirc I think there was a big thing where spongebob had an episode without spongebob recently Any other show that doesn't have their MC in an episode is usually a one-off and never happens again Some examples I just thought of! Dexter's lab, Ed Edd and Eddy, spongebob, Doug, Arthur, powerpuff girls, etc. I will play devils advocate and assume she means that we're glued stuck to Steven instead of moving around but tbh I think I like that more since there's no third person irony, like you wouldn't be saying "omg just find the warp pad Sadie hid!" You find out with him

[@pageclayton6850]

I can't believe, in Avatar The Last Airbender, that Aang kid is around so often. Sure he's THE Avatar. And sure he's THE last airbender, but the story really oughta be less about him :/

[@god7142]

"i was being abused" thats a crazy thing to bring up after you were just recently outed for possibly grooming minors and being very inappropriate with your fanbase

[@lordofthefemboys]

Wait she did that

[@Dragonmongamer]

And abusing multiple of your partners

[@oranjaglad8648]

And sexually abusing her younger sister.

[@Γι3ργ0ς]

​​@oranjaglad8648 *now non binary sibling

[@axeljones8456]

Another trans KZbinr said that and she had proof too

[@turkeysandwich9908]

Lily Orchard try to have media literacy challenge (impossible)

[@scarred-healer1368]

I'm genuinely curious on why the hell Lily has it out so badly for Rebecca to the point that she can't resist throwing an insult even when she's giving praise to SU. is she just envious that a show she doesn't like is loved by millions and is taking her anger out on the show creator? is she jealous that Rebecca is praised for making one of the first children's shows that had major LGBT+ themes? or is she just using Rebecca as a scapegoat?

[@SaiScribbles]

I said in the intro that in the "Steven Universe is Garbage" video I could at least give the benefit of the doubt that it was an attempt at the "angry reviewer" shtick but considering these two other videos...

[@scarred-healer1368]

@@SaiScribblesunfortunately from what I’ve heard it is absolutely not a schtick but Lily’s pure hatred also just got done seeing the part how Lily accuses the show team of being racist for “torturing Garnet” and…I’m sadly not surprised because she saw Luz be immensely depressed in Season 2 and 3 of The Owl House and ALSO accused the show’s writers of being racist for “using Luz to make torture porn” (doesn’t help Lily’s also accusing Dana Terrace of racism for “white favoritism” when it comes to Amity and Hunter. it’s baffling how freaking contrarian Lily is to most other people who see these shows

[@SpiderandMosquito]

​@scarred-healer1368 I'd like to point out that Lily also likes to present herself as Native American despite that, according to her sister Courtney, there is no evidence of that in their family. It's something their mom told them about their heritage and that they do have a relative who is a member of a tribe. But other than that, they were a pretty ordinary white Christian Canadian family, there's never been any effort to prove this ancestry, and it goes without saying that Lily isn't part of a nation, nor does she practice the religion or have any association with any indigenous American people. She does however have an avatar that has a noticeable darker skintone then her real-life one and occasionally is drawn with a feather in her hair and uses this supposed ancestry in her video essays when it benefits the subject of discussion. .... okay, I'm just going to say it, this lady is absolutely brownfacing for clout and yet has the spine to accuse other people of racism when they write stories in which bad things happen to POC characters, even though that's pretty much inevitable in action and/or adventure fiction. A genre in which she openly admits to caring little for on a good day

[@SaiScribbles]

@@SpiderandMosquito It didn't make it into the video but yeah I was pretty incredulous about that claim. Every other white person in the US and Canada claims they're "1/24th Cherokee" or whatever to seem mystical or cool.

[@CPubi]

i always figured it was poorly veiled misogyny

[@McHaletheScott]

i like listening to people insult people for being blatantly wrong

[@SaiScribbles]

And I like insulting people who are blatantly wrong! It appears we've struck an accord! 😂

[@FunWithColeen]

lily orchard needs to leave steven universe alone period. she did so much fucking damage while heavily misintepreting the show and disrepsecting rebecca sugar in her initial video and its clear she hasn't learned anything

[@pieflower6419]

I know right! I am genuinely scared to mention SU and I shouldn't be, because I shouldn't be scared of being harassed FOR LIKING A TV SHOW.

[@pixisticks]

speak on it

[@nobinary2296]

​@@pieflower6419Block or just leave people like that. The people who are mature and matter won't behave like that. Sorry you feel that you need to hide your love for a show you love.

[@pieflower6419]

@@nobinary2296 Thanks for the kind words ❤️

[@Birthday888]

@@pieflower6419 Avoid social media for things like that. The only people who'd actually care about some stranger's opinion about a TV show they don't even like or watch are people who are terminally online and seriously need to touch grass. Normal people don't hate people because they like a show they personally didn't enjoy. Case in point, me because I didn't even like Steven Universe all that much but I like Sai's commentary and analysis XD

[@oranjaglad8648]

Y’know, all of what Lily has said in her videos is completely ironic now that allegations of her abusing her sister have come out.

[@PaintSplashProductions]

She what now?! When did this come out?

[@oranjaglad8648]

@@PaintSplashProductions Some other youtubers called Poppy and Zena had an interview with Courtney, Lily's sister, who then recounted her story about how Lily treated her during her childhood. I can't describe *any* of it here because it's really disheartening to hear, but the long story short is that Lily is an abusive incestuous freak who also wasn't mentally stable in the slightest. Courtney also says that Lily also based her fanfics (Stockholm being an example) off of what she wanted to do to Courtney. Courtney then had a falling out with Poppy and Zena, and they put their interview with Courtney behind a paywall. However, I'm pretty sure a reupload of the interview exists. Courtney also goes into detail about how Lily treated her on her Tumblr account (pleasetiemyshoe), so even the allegations aren't just on this site.

[@SaiScribbles]

A couple of my chat members mentioned that but since I don't really know Lily's lore and can neither confirm nor deny this information I'm just gonna leave it up to the people who actually follow Lily drama.

[@gothica3605]

Somehow I'm not surprised by this

[@thebattle7000]

​@@oranjaglad8648 Her fanfictions should've been enough of a tell on her being an actual irl abuser, especially Stockholm because she EXCUSED child molestation and abuse, writing the victims being 14 and then going like "oh yeah the age of consent here is 14", despite having them be MUCH YOUNGER in previous chapters and not having any major time skip.

[@princesspompom0054]

I can't believe that this was the person that made so many people turn against SU. Like I remember back when i was into that show and her infamous long video about why it's garbage came out, I would try to avoid that video like the plague because I loved SU and didn't want anyone to take my happiness and comfort from this show away from me. I was also only 13 at the time so I would get way more upset whenever people said anything bad about SU. And now looking back, I am so glad that I never watched it or any SU hate video, especially when Lily turns out to be just some dumb jerk who doesn't understand nor wants to about how not just cartoons and anime but anything that has to do with storywriting or TV shows at all.

[@MattTOB618]

I can't believe I actually fell for quite a bit of this video back in the day. Thankfully, I've come to my own conclusions about the series since then, and now I love the show while acknowledging its ACTUAL flaws.

[@snomfrompokemon2496]

I thought I was the only one lmao. 14 year old me saw that video and said "I ain't watching that"

[@casprthefriendlyghost]

i watched it when i was younger and it was my first real exposure to the show so i genuinely only knew what lily had said about it and im so upset that THAT had been my first experience w su :(

[@OrangeSun55]

it sucks cause i watched loving SU being a kid thinking that everything lily said was right and it influenced my opinions so much😭 lily just glosses over everything good about the show it sucks

[@jtlego1]

@@snomfrompokemon2496 You're not alone, friend. Even back in the day that video gave me red flags just from the title alone.

[@PastelSakuraYT]

How much you wanna bet Lily thought “Pool Hopping” was a filler episode judging by the title which made her skip it lol!!!

[@botOxymoron]

7:10 The episode starting with Connie's conflict is a very basic storytelling technique, as the first time Connie is dealing with heavy feelings of guilt, and Steven initially tries to impart his own coping methods to her ("Just... don't think about it") where Garnet intervenes and provides a better option of mindfulness. It's the Act 1, where Connie being able to move on and make peace with her feelings directly leads to Steven ruminating on his own unresolved feelings, because he's likely thinking "if Connie can feel better, why can't I?", kicking off Act 2 aka Steven having a breakdown through Stevonnie, which Connie assists with. Yeah, it's not resolved, but that's because his issues aren't with a kid he can talk to at school, it's with a gem who is corrupted and bubbled, another gem who is bubbled, and one who is dead and also his mom. It's not supposed to be solved, it's making it clear that these are things Steven remembers and is still bothered by. It's... literally just basic storytelling and the fact that Lily can't understand that really speaks to her ability as a writer.

[@SaiScribbles]

Yes thankyou I was so flabbergasted at the time I wasn't exactly able to explain it well lol.

[@botOxymoron]

@@SaiScribbles Thank YOU for this amazing and comprehensive response to Lily's Steven hate! I knew she did that 'SU is garbage' video but it's another thing entirely to watch this video and see the blatant lying, especially regarding the movie! I feel bad for anyone who doesn't know any better, watching her video and coming away thinking the movie is about Steven's incestuous family of the Diamonds and his dad, as well as gay conversion with Pearl (?!?). Guh.

[@fanaticalistic]

1:31:04 it's not even sadistic, Pink's just so freaking unaware of how this is going to effect Spinel, she's just thinking in the moment trying to leave the place and Spinel was being innocently clingy. Pink's never sadistic, just reckless and had too much power over everything but her own life.

[@SaiScribbles]

There's no reason to believe Pink expected she would stand in that spot for 6,000 years. Hell, there's no reason to believe Pink even gave her a second thought after heading off to finally have her long-awaited colony. I don't get why people try to force Steven Universe to be more of a literal adventure sci-fi than it is.

[@LadyLeomon]

@@SaiScribblesjumping in to reply and say … I honestly can’t believe Pink is as innocent as some people claim. Her relationship with Pearl is my main example: she emotionally blackmailed Pearl into rebelling so she could live freely on Earth as Rose, but her exact wording was “I want to live here with human beings, I want to live here *with you”* so Pearl, already smitten with Pink, goes along with it. Rebellion happens, Diamonds leave, and the few survivors stay on Earth … and what does Pink do? She starts f*cking the local wildlife! Hear me out: time and again the majority of Gems, including Pink herself, see humans as lesser life forms and talk down to them or just flat-out dismiss them when talking (see Lars’ treatment during The Trial), and the Zoo is more proof of this: they see humans the way we see animals. So Rose, despite claiming to love Pearl repeatedly cheated on her with what Gems see as animals, then finally killed herself so she could have a child all while leaving Steven (and Pearl by extension, cos secrets) behind to deal with the sh*tstorm she left behind. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if she genuinely did forget about Spinel, but that doesn’t make Spinel’s heartbreak and anger any less valid. Poor stringy-baby was faithful to her bestie for *millennia* yet in the end Pink never left behind a memo or anything saying “hey I left an old friend here, please go get her” cos if Spinel hadn’t seen that transmission she would have kept waiting until the end of time. TLDR in my eyes, regardless of all the magical/alien stuff Pink/Rose was just a cheating hoe 😤😤😤

[@SaiScribbles]

@@LadyLeomon You'd be hard pressed to get me to call her "innocent", but I don't think she was necessarily malicious in many of her actions. Pink is very myopic, impulsive and has a thrill-seeking personality, which can make her neglectful of others. I believe that's exactly what happened with Spinel. Like I said before, I doubt Pink/Rose ever even thought of her again after tricking her into staying behind in the garden. But I don't think she was deliberately malicious, she just wanted her embarrassing little playmate out of her shiny new big girl Diamond business. And like I said in the video: Spinel kept herself in the garden. She was the one too afraid the leave because she wanted Pink to like her again. She was the one both figuratively and literally stuck in the past. That doesn't invalidate her pain but that is what happened. I think we see from the version of The Answer that isn't Garnet's rose-tinted retelling is that neither Rose or Pearl really knew what the fuck they were doing. They couldn't have known things would escalate into a full on war. Rose made Steven because she wanted to bring a human into the world that she would be half of. In a sense anyway. It's almost like she wiped the harddrive so the gem became Steven's, you know? I don't think she ever expected Homeworld to reappear to threaten Earth again. I mean yeah convenient it only happened AFTER Steven was born but... all stories are contrived it's just down to how well you hide it lol. Although I've also jokingly said "Pink started the rebellion cause she wanted to bang the local wildlife" ngl. 😂

[@LadyLeomon]

@@SaiScribbles I get your meaning but she was still malicious in that she essentially seduced Pearl, convinced her to go against their entire race then went all “well it’s been fun, I’mma have a kid with this human you hate so you all raise him for me, ‘kay?” LadyLeomon does *not* sympathise with cheating hoes 😤😤😤

[@weirdcakes304]

People seem to have a hard time accepting the fact victims can do bad things. While Pink isn’t completely malicious, she isn’t entirely a saint either. Yet people will commonly lean to a side and ignore that this is rather common in the real world, for victims to take after their abusers for one reason or another.

[@fennecwolfox]

My biggest issue with the 'Diamonds Were Redeemed' thing people like to spout is that... ...they weren't. White realized that her entire reason for why she did what she did was flawed and that she herself was flawed. That's not redemption. Literally part of the movie and Future explains that they're trying to somehow make up for the damage they caused, physically and emotionally, because Steven is helping them do that and they want to. But that's not even necessarily redemption. It's just them trying to do right by their destructive actions.

[@SaiScribbles]

People have been so brain-rotted by archaic Hayes Code media tropes that have gone unchallenged for so long that they really think a lack of capital punishment for the villain means they've been "redeemed".

[@somenerdpng]

OH MY GOD YES I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS

[@fennecwolfox]

@@SaiScribbles It's vaguely similar to a character, Gai Amatsu, in the show Kamen Rider Zero-One. He started the events of the show that lead to a genocidal AI and only realizes how bad it is when he's returned to a mindset more similar to before his trauma. He begs for forgiveness and the hero tells him, "No, you're not forgiven. You'll have to work for it." And he spends the rest of the series trying to be a genuinely good guy.

[@egrumblybus7792]

it reminds me of the quote “but she never asked me to forgive her. she knew she had no right.” from tma

[@the_last_ballad]

They've been rehabilitated, not redeemed or forgiven. Unfortunately, people oppose rehabilitation too. I've seen people argue that it should be illegal to hire people guilty of murder even after they have served their penance that was mandated by the justice system. People don't _want_ to see bad people become better and start contributing to society. They don't want to think that you can do a bad thing, then get a happy ending, even if there are decades of work being put in between those two points. People would rather punish someone for eternity rather than allow them a chance to become better. And it sickens me.

[@frootsnacc6790]

Another thing about the star symbol; the Diamonds didn't give it to the Crystal Gems...the star symbol was made by Rose Quartz, the literal leader of the rebellion. And even then, we saw in flashbacks not all of them fought with the star symbol. Pearl actually looks like she gave herself that symbol *after* the war, kinda like a badge of honor.

[@mental_fatigue1816]

1:49:46 This is Lily’s Oc who is a fanchild of her and the Pokémon gardevoir lol. It’s funny that she accuses Rebecca Sugar of inserting weird fetishes in SU when there’s a whole blog on tumblr dedicated to a fanfiction she wrote about her Pokémon family.

[@Dragonmongamer]

Also, Lily has admitted to writing a fic called “Animal Magnetism” which was a Pokephilla fan fiction about a man named Kevin’s romantic and intimate relationship with a Gardevoir. I think there’s some connection there.

[@jbleichman]

“I was in a bad place when I made that video” *makes literally the same video*

[@Strawberry_Cubes]

I think Lily’s problem is that she clearly hasn’t rewatched the show, at all, you can tell that she just read off the wiki for Steven universe with how they mention the foot notes but not rlly the small details, like how she couldn’t name why ruby was in space wirh Steven or small errors like “oh steven has to find out Ruby wants to kill him” which was established in the last episode, either she majorly skimmed or she’s relying on second hand and wiki knowledge

[@Strawberry_Cubes]

“Steven doesn’t get his own story in the show most of it is focused on his mom” Wrong. Stevens whole mini arc in the show is - learning to love - learning that he isn’t an extension of his mom - learning that even though he’s a gem hes still half human which makes him a bit weird to both sides of his races - teaching the gems that it’s ok to embrace that more human side - learning to understand others despite their crazy sounding viewpoints - learning the adults in his life aren’t prefect, you could say main one is rose but you can see via episode 1 how perfect he thinks garnet and Pearl are contrasted with the final episodes with them

[@yashi_yosh1471]

okay but why does lily have to constantly make sexual jokes and push sexual views onto a CHILDRENS show? I find it extremely weird and seeing about all the controversy it makes sense she would do that, but it just makes her look sooo bad.. 😭 I also dont understand how she can interpret things so badly, especially when a lot of the time its so blunt.

[@SaiScribbles]

Cause Lily still thinks its 2013 and this is how KZbin humor works still maybe.

[@introvertedjo1238]

She wrote Incest/Pedo content in her fics of MLP, so seemingly she thinks that’s normal in Children’s Media 😅

[@Alexy_is_Paper]

Not the worst shit she did honestly 😭 Her fanfctions are... Out of this word for how bad they are

[@gamer47e17]

It's because Lily herself is a pedophile

[@amayaharmon7345]

Look into her past. She's groomed a minor or two herself and sexually abused her sister.

[@empeanutson]

I don't understand why Lily hates Steven so much and why she's acting like he's completely selfish.

[@starkid910]

Like, we had a whole epilogue series about the fallout of Steven's self-neglect due to how damn selfless he's had to be his whole life to keep his family together and safe. What's not clicking, Lily?

[@SaiScribbles]

It was so funny to hear Lily judgmentally call this little corny cartoon boy selfish with shallow self-serving compassion with a complete lack of self awareness.

[@blacksesamecandies]

Lily seems to have hateboner for empathetic, emotionally vunerable characters. She views them as weak and lesser then tries to uphold characters who are vicious and brutal as bastions of morality. I think honestly she is a sadist and that's just her preference.

[@beigelbites]

@@blacksesamecandies lily after discovering children are empathetic and emotionally vulnerable, and don't all act like fucking akainu: 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

[@CAT-2323]

I think it has something to do with Rebecca Sugar being half-Jewish

[@MelodyRose96]

I keep praying that one day SU gets an Adventure Time treatment. Like I just want another studio to take it up and allow it to be more mature and expand on the Universe(lol) of the show because the bits and piece of lore you get in the show is BEGGING to be told in full and it would be SO COOL to see more of the gems, Steven or no Steven, what they are, where they come from, why they do what they do, what regular life is like for the average gem, how they influenced earth culture, etc etc. I guess what I'm asking for is a prequel series lmao

[@SaiScribbles]

I would love love LOVE a series focused on the goings on in Little Homeworld. Hell I'd even take Lars starting some kind of space explorer's guild even though I kinda hate him. Or just another movie. One where the Gems are trying to solve a problem while also trying not to alert Steven, who is currently blissfully unaware on his road trip and calling in at inopportune times to show off the latest tourist trap he's fallen for.

[@Runzi333]

To give a different perspective, IMO the malachite fusion was a rep of abusive or very selfish relationships. Jasper stays in the relationship because it makes her feel powerful (she even asks lapis to fuse again later for this reason not even caring about Steven or anything else going on) Lapis sees Jasper as a representation of all of the bad in her life so she uses her to take out her frustration, She stays to try and protect Steven and because when you are used to abusive situations for most of your life they feel almost comfortable, it's familiar and understood so in some ways less scary than the unknown. I think she also has a lot of self issues so she feels she deserves to be in that sort of relationship. It's a VERY smart, child friendly way of explaining the very very complex and sometimes not logical way abuse happens. IMO it's one of the best depictions of this sort of thing in modern media (at least that I've seen). People in abusive situations often become some sort of abusive back as it becomes somewhat normalized over time or a emotional response to the abuse and it further traps them by making them believe they deserve what happens to them. This I speak on from personal experience, I was in a bad relationship and it made me a worse person, I can see that now and have learned from it to hopefully be a better person now but it did happen and I was not a good person in that time. I don't expect many people to understand that relationship and their hesitance to actually decide not to enter that relationship again but from my experience it couldn't have been more spot on. Through this perspective it fit perfectly into the "relationship" motif of the other fusions and was one of the best ones imo for this reason!

[@SaiScribbles]

I'd argue it made them both feel powerful. Lapis got to feel like she had power over someone else for once. Jasper wanted the raw physical power of the fusion itself because power is what all of her self worth is tied up in. Though I'd argue Lapis was "doing it for Steven" the same way Walter White was "doing it for the family". She wasn't. That was just her justification to herself. But yeah Lily seems to think "relationship" can only mean intimacy, sex or romance. And in a colloquial sense it is used like that often, but that's not the only thing the word "relationship" refers to.

[@LatterDayPup]

Lily trying to argue that Rebecca Sugar was being racist for being influenced by a version of Fantasia that she most likely has never saw or even knows exists is peak bad faith if you ask me.

[@Dragonmongamer]

The only thing that these videos have taught me is that Lily has absolutely no media literacy and needs everything spelled out for her. And even then she’ll just jump to the most bad faith interpretation possible.

[@dxitydevil]

Exactly like bro just hates metaphors and symbolism like sai said

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Lily is the type of person to give a bad review on a movie with too much symbolism and metaphors for being "presumptuous" and "smartass with no depth" and then complain that a children's show doesn't talk about dark topics or deals with very real world problems

[@randompromises1038]

​@@airplanes_aren.t_real that always got to me. For MLP, she complained that bronies wanted more lore and character development for side characters (basically stuff that would be kinda boring for kids) and said that shows just need to be fun and entertaining and lighthearted. But then she turns around and says SU is bad because it's not tackling heavy topics in a better way. Bro, it's a KIDS' SHOW.

[@tantthetank]

"You're not my diamond until you murder me" best line ever

[@michaelbk0076]

What I can't seem to believe is how someone can obsess about a children's show so much over the course of over five fucking years, yet still not understand that the show was never, I repeat, NEVER DESIGNED to tackle topics such as mass genocide or the subject of morally killing someone for the greater good. I know I'm autistic and all, and I don't like to throw around the dreaded R word a lot, but I mean...

[@SaiScribbles]

I'm also autistic. If that wasn't fucking obvious already lol. I stand by what I said: there was no word stronger to describe Lily claiming the Crystal Gem stars are like fucking Holocaust stars.

[@SaiScribbles]

@MaeRose26 Let's be real many of us on the deep internet and in the cartoon community are lol.

[@KelpieRider]

I started this video like 'oh I'm gonna be soooo autistic about this' and then I heard the intro bit and it's like same hat!

[@Battfro]

"Can you imagine a coffee shop show without the built in connection to the characters?" Isn't that just 'Friends?'

[@SaiScribbles]

Yeah and it was boring as shit 😂 But the point was a "Coffee Shop AU" is usually when you take two characters from a series, take them out of their canon context, and have them have a meet cute at a coffee shop or some other mundane setting. Which, without the pre-built in emotional attachment to the characters would be very hard to make work as an original thing.

[@Battfro]

@@SaiScribbles Oh yeah, I'm aware. That stuff always struck me as...an odd idea. It's to explore characters outside the confines of their plot and setting, but that also...misses the point. Like, who someone is in a story is often heavily influenced by plot and setting. So, moving them elsewhere might as well be making new characters. It's similar to High School AUs, which were all the rage in the 00s for some goddamn reason. I always question why we are doing this at all. After a certain point, it's just a completely different set of characters with only superficial ties to their origin. Makes you wonder why you even bother tying them down, I guess. Then again, I guess I also assume you know a story needs conflict, pathos, themes, motiffs, etc. Like, even if it is just about a coffee shop, I'd assume you'd want to use it to examine, say, the economic realities of low wage workers or the hardships of small business. But coffee shop AUs are just fluff pieces, I assume, so any realy story is just not there. Not sure why I felt the need to say this.

[@Starpion88]

Isn’t that what Lily wants with everything? No depth, no stakes, no plot, just talking heads like some shoddy newspaper comic.

[@somegem6344]

Lily orchard is the real villain of SU.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Lily is also a pedophile too

[@astralGrenade]

i honestly wish i had never watched her original video when i was younger and more impressionable, because it made me hate the show even before i had ever watched it. but if i hadn't watched her video, then i would have found and liked the show much sooner and i probably would have been able to tell the video is stupid. it's strange because i didn't even know who she was so idk why i blindly believed her. giving steven universe a chance a few years later helped me grow as a person FAR more than her original video ever did.

[@astralGrenade]

also this video made me realize pink diamond and steven r just me fr

[@SaiScribbles]

Ah it's not your fault. People like to hear KZbinrs rant about something bad and you just got caught by a bad faith one. And the section on the SU movie really illuminated for me just how much Lily lies and manipulates footage to maintain those lies. ... Cause like I said in the video I probably watched the movie like 15 times when it came out I can probably recite the entire fucking thing so I knew instantly when Lily was talking bullshit 😂

[@astralGrenade]

@@SaiScribbles yeah, i remember when i was watching the show often i would say to myself in my head, "what was that person in that video talking about? this is nothing like what they said, and it's so obvious"

[@ceazarsalad4414]

This wasn't touched on in the video but was anyone else bothered by lily calling rebecca "becky" so many times? it feels so demeaning. its so awful that the legacy of this show is lowkey tainted bc of lily's- and people like hers c half baked critiques. honestly, its laughable how much she doesn't understand or is clearly projecting her own horrible ideas onto the show like with the racism

[@dxitydevil]

YES another comment said lily never got out of her schoolyard bully phase JAJAJAJJ it was so real I just dont get the hatred towards Rebecca man. Half the “ISSUES” lily talks about in SU aren’t even directly her fault.

[@ceazarsalad4414]

@@dxitydevil Lily talks like rebecca is personally crafting each and every frame of the show by herself and is putting terrible things in it like a lame supervillain

[@dxitydevil]

@@ceazarsalad4414 JAJAJA NOT THE LAME SUPERVILLAIN That’s so real tho 🙏

[@notyourdaughter666]

whenever someone says the “this is my baby darling and he can do no wrong”, they’re actually saying “this is my idealized self insert”

[@compareandcontrast9833]

Lily: I've grown a lot since my last video. Also Lily: I'm doubling down. Its got nothing to do with hiding in private video..... why are you looking at me like that?🤬

[@bobateapenguin]

"Sorry guys I was abused so thats why I lashed out against Rebecca" ah tale as old as time of the "guys i was in a dark place" Lily really didn't learn anything lmaoo

[@dxitydevil]

Not the DARK PLACE excuse 😰

[@NapaCat]

As someone who had about three years of not great life events back to back, I loathe the "dark place" copout with the fury of a million and two suns. I wasn't the greatest person to people for much of it, there were reasons, but I still was that person and did those things.

[@dxitydevil]

@@NapaCat exactly. If ppl like you can own up to their mistakes, take accountability and fully be able to be responsible for it, than she can definitely go without the excuse and complete disregard of her actions jajajaj

[@randompromises1038]

​@@NapaCat my "I was in a dark place" was when I wouldn't leave my bed all day and watch KZbin while I was slowly flunking sixth grade because I was depressed and coping horribly about being in foster care like 💀jfc that excuse never holds water when you've ACTUALLY been in a dark place

[@Chaosqueenngami]

Recently I realized that Lily and James Somerton are basically the same. Both want to be treated as a trusted and popular voice for the LGBTQ+ community, while actively hating other members in it that are more popular than them. Their both terrible at research yet so desperate to make salient points in their videos that they will just make stuff up. When called out on thier bad takes, they immediately play the victim. In James case he realized all of the above so he stole other's people work. Lily just makes the same video over and over again, which is why she doesn't have much channel growth.

[@JamesP7]

Who is James Somerton?

[@vennyriz22]

@@JamesP7A guy that got outed for being a massive plagiarist

[@JamesP7]

@@vennyriz22 Ok

[@bentobias737]

@@JamesP7He deleted his entire channel because HBomberguy and Toddintheshadows so thoroughly annihilated his credibility his name is now synonymous with plagiarism. The only things he wrote for himself were factually incorrect lies and misogyny.

[@ember9361]

no.. no... Lily is worse. She actively created content that endorses and harbors pedophilic shit. Don't look into her Stockholm Syndrome fanfic.

[@YourlocalSoftModfan]

It’s funny how Lily is criticizing the writing of a popular children’s show yet she wrote stockholm

[@PercydeRoloFangirl]

What's Stockholm/genq

[@awp4444]

​@@PercydeRoloFangirl from what I've heard it's were she wrote a mlp fanfic that did basically everything did condems about sexualizing children and non consensual things

[@Hinatachan360]

Isn't Sugalite's appearance based on an oni, a Japanese version of an ogre? Also, the sugalite gem stone was discovered by a Japanese man, so that also might have influenced Sugalite's oni-like appearance.

[@SaiScribbles]

Oh that would make a hell of alot of sense actually.

[@bluewolf6323]

Isn't it also the thing that the more unhealthy a fusion is, the more it looks weird and "misshapened" not a good word Ik but my point still kind of stands.

[@ifiwerearichman-yabadiba]

​@@bluewolf6323Yeah, I think thats the case with Malachite and Alexandrite too

[@shadetee234]

That actually makes a lot of sense. Even looking over at DBD, where one of their characters is namwd the Oni... Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense in retrospection

[@animeguykurosaki1]

You know the worst Pearl did with Garnet during the Sardonyx episode, it was dubious consent, nothing was against the other's consent.

[@SaiScribbles]

Children's show: Boundaries are important! Don't trick someone into doing something under false pretenses! Lily: Clearly this is sexual assault.

[@mikeyunderstars]

apparently, according to lily’s sister, she’s actually extremely manipulative and abusive herself so. the fact that she blames her viral video on abuse she dealt with herself is kind of crazy to me

[@Spiltcocoamix]

the notion that CN saying they wanted the series to end with the ruby and sapphire wedding rather than that being a THREAT to dissuade Rebecca Sugar from including a lesbian wedding is so disingenuous it makes me want to SCREAM.

[@lymegreen7966]

the fact that Lily blames the corruption of Rose's soldiers (and friends) on her and not the other diamonds who were the ones who blasted earth says a lot.. like when she had the audacity of saying that Lapis was the abuser

[@SaiScribbles]

Lol right? Lily says Rose's crimes are "miniscule compared to the rest of the Diamonds" in one video, and then blames her for the corruption on another video. This is just hating to hate.

[@EndlessPiplup]

Exactly! Lily hates Pink for standing up to the Diamonds and "causing the corruption", but also hates how they acted and said someone should have stopped it?? You want "Nazis" to be stopped...without a war? Are you unintelligent? I thought Lily hated how naive Steven was?? Girl look in the MIRROR

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

An interesting thing I've noticed having both videos in mind is that lily seems to have big "Good queer" vibes, by that I mean that she is thinks that the only way things get better is if you A accept the terms and conditions of those in power no matter how unfair or directly opposing you they are Or B kill anyone that disagrees with you in any topic or decision no matter how small You notice this in her victim blaming and when she says "well if they were going to end the series why not put the wedding on the finale" even tho that'd mean I'd be easily censored in multiple countries, she's siding with the people who are against her existence because she believes that's what creates social change

[@starvoltnexus3139]

I feel so stupid now because I believed that!!!

[@Thegr8MC]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the "Steven only" perspective due to the studio requiring Steven to be in every episode? In fact, I'm pretty sure a majority of the problems with this show were due to studio interference and all of Lily's anger is misdirected at blaming solely the writers and artists.

[@SaiScribbles]

Well, Steven being the main character *was* kind of their way of slipping all the other stuff they wanted to do in. Cause you tell the network hey look we have a boy child main that's what your marketing department wants right? And then hope they don't pay too close attention. Cartoon Network kept insisting on Steven becoming the leader of the Crystal Gems as well.

[@PhoenixRising87]

Blaming creators for things that are the result of executive meddling is kind of Lily's thing.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Lily is just being a narcissist, so all of her points are completely moot and irrelevant to anything. Also, Lily was not being abused, Lily was the one doing the abusing. She's acting just like Amber Heard.

[@goblingore_]

Well, the show is in first person, from steven's perspective. We learn things as steven learns them and experience the same emotions that he does. Hes the perspective character and the story is about him, hence the show being named after him.

[@maukari]

no way Lily simplyfied Greg and Pearls part in the movie as a sexual joke or someshit. Gregs and Pearl relationship thru the series is just so complex, they are so different but at the same time they love and were loved by the same person, they competed and were jealous by the things one could offer to Rose and the other not, like being able to fusion or humanity, also the themes of Pearl´s resentment and Gregs guilt and insecurities. thats why the episode Mr Greg is so good bc they finally come to a resolution with their feelings and FINALLY see each other as an equal and as friend who undestand the others feelings and started to see the similarities between them. THATS WHY was so uncomfortable to Greg for reset Pearl wanting to serve him, Greg respect Pearl so much and only knows her rebelious and fighty personality that was utterly bizarre for him seeing her act so out of her usual self. I kinda get Lily is trying to say they use "the born sexy yesterday" trope with pearl and cottoncandy garnet to point fingers at some kind of fetish or whatever her point was, but even so that only works if everything the show has stablished is taking away and to do that at this point you gotta straight up havent watched the series coz theres things that have been explored within the show, like, garnet making questions thats why we have the episode "the answer", or "house guest" when greg is a little bit selfish and hurts steven by taking advange of the situation, that why the characters are the way they are, and i think they are well portrait in the movie even is the movie itself has some flaws or limitations.

[@SaiScribbles]

That part legit pissed me off and was bordering on homophobic. Like I said in the video, the movie subverts the expected trope of "brainwashed character being made to be a maid" with Greg just desperately trying to stop her from being servant to him at every turn. Which is REALLY funny in of itself cause it's so in character for Greg.

[@BGKyouhen]

Thanks for the killer clown comment there. I was in the "Why didn't Garnet see this coming" crowd but when you put it that way that explains a lot.

[@starvoltnexus3139]

You can write this shit but you sure as hell can’t predict it

[@sapplesdigital8813]

This entire reaction, and I think I can speak for everyone here, is “lily quit projecting!” Honestly I’ve never seen someone act so cocky yet fundamentally misunderstand the themes, characters, everything about a KIDS SHOW. IVE WATCHED THIS SHOW SINCE I WAS 9. I GOT IT. HOW ARE YOU A GROWN ADULT AND YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THE MOST BASIC LESSONS WITHOUT TACKING ON THE WORST BAD FAITH READ IVE EVER SEEN. Sorry had to get my rant out :P

[@S00NERD0G]

How can an adult in their thirties spend years miserably obsessing over a kids cartoon about empathy? I will never understand behaviour like this...

[@oranjaglad8648]

Literally the cartoon community in a nutshell. They’ve always been this bad.

[@SpiderandMosquito]

​@@oranjaglad8648Not really. The only thing bad about it is people like her.

[@anneoneal3865]

Because they're too emotionally stunted to hold down a real job.

[@louisenichols6825]

sorry, but it's fine for this peron to miserably obsess about how Lily orchard is a bad peron? Both are in the spirral of hate and agression.

[@JamesP7]

@@oranjaglad8648Why must people like you see the bad actions of a single person and generalize it to an entire group? You’re like those people that look at Lily and Chris Chan and say “this corroborates that all trans people are evil”.

[@skysiren4113]

What pisses me off the most about Lily isn't even what she's said about the show, but what she's said about Rebecca Sugar Whenever she talks about her there's always this spiteful tone and clear signs of jealously, constantly insulting her, blaming her for every problem (even though Sugar had no control over the executive meddling and also didn’t stop fighting in order to have Ruby and Sapphire's wedding shown on screen even if it ment risking her show being cancelled) and even had the gall to imply that she was a Nazi sympathiser (keep in mind Sugar herself is jewish and her family had survived one of the worst tragedies that has ever happened) it's absolutely vile and potentially dangerous the way she paint Rebecca Sugar as well as encourages harassment towards her or anyone who disagees with her

[@OMNIhydra1]

Lilly spouts so much rapid fire bad faith criticism that it takes hours of talking and encyclopedic knowledge of the entire series to adequately pick through the unhinged nonsense she tosses out. Honestly it feels a lot like Lilly never watched the show. She's watched maybe 1/3 of it at most, and then read a cliffs notes episode synopsis for each episode that was labeled as 'filler' by some random reddit post.

[@cartoonking1789]

Orchard saying that they “grew as a person” is the funniest joke I ever heard.

[@ryuspiritvtuber]

How could Lily grew as a person when all the controversy surrounding her making her unstable

[@anneoneal3865]

It's not really "growth" if you blame your 2 hour long wank fest on the girlfriend who dumped you.

[@steampunk-llama]

*She, but yeah

[@blue-flare7060]

Oh wait she's serious. Imma go laugh more harder

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

She was talking about height

[@ryuspiritvtuber]

As a huge fan of Steven Universe I’ve watched Lily’s video on Steven Universe is Garbage and here’s why which is a complete mess filled with missing holes. Example: She claims that Rebecca Sugar and her crew took inspiration of the human zoo from Fantasia Centaurs (with the racist characters) which is false. Robobuddies claims that Lily’s video was disrespectful to the people who worked on Steven Universe but also damaging to people who want to work in the animation industry People like Steven Universe because of LGBTQA characters including the gay wedding episode that made a huge impact for cartoons Lily has no knowledge of the animation industry

[@SaiScribbles]

What the FUCK is it with Lily and the racist Fantasia centaur.

[@Flowermations]

@@SaiScribbles Same goes to her comparing everything to Avatar and her once insane hatred over Starlight Glimmer (a fictional pony from a show that´s essential core demographic is for kids lol)

[@kaileychambers6969]

​@@Flowermations What? Starlight is one of my favorite characters, lily is really out here coming for all my favorite shows/characters

[@Flowermations]

@@kaileychambers6969 Ikr, it´s not like a one time thing, that woman brought up many times in her past videos how much she despises that cartoon pony lol at least she´s not hating on my boi Emmet from The Lego Movies, cause heh I´ve dealt with my own ig Lily Orchard 2.0 (I am not going to say their channel name for privacy reasons).

[@debgenerate]

Wasn't the human zoo somewhat inspired by Fantastic Planet? That movie follows a human who was owned by aliens as a pet.

[@yonsetv5223]

Love the debunk videos people have been doing on these horrendous videos. Still baffles me it took 5 years for people to destroy these videos when the counter arguments are so easy to make.

[@SaiScribbles]

Sorry everyone, I showed up to the fandom late. I'm here to save it now XD

[@yonsetv5223]

​@@SaiScribblesYou and hiding in private are goats 👌👍

[@diabreadstick]

"You don't have to preemptively counter internet grumbling. Let them grumble," is a WILD statement from Lily Orchard of all people when her Steven Universe is Garbage video was filled with personal attacks against Rebecca Sugar, up to and including implying that Sugar is a fascist sympathizer, because Lily didn't like how the show handled the Diamonds.

[@starvoltnexus3139]

If there was somethings from with it the beginning. Most of what’s wrong with how the diamonds are handled is entirely Cartoon Networks fault Also I think for a while we’ve been confusing taking accountability and Heel Face turns for actual redemptions We gotta remember that’s the end of the change not the beginning

[@fanaticalistic]

11:10 I do wish we saw more of Pearl with Mystery Chick but that's not the show being bad. That's the show being good, and me wishing something I ship got more screen time. But lets be honest, she didn't even have a VA, she was a one off character 😔 17:07 "You know how I said the show never lets a quiet moment sit? Well here they do" SO THEN TAKE IT BACK THEN. She shows the Pearl/Steven quiet moment, and also when she brings up Mystery Chick there's SO MANY quiet moments: When she enters and Pearl's nervous and knocks over cups, when she decided to run a red light, and when she finally talked to her we don't hear the conversation. Plus she also mentions and gushes about the Steven stuck in space scene. She's literally contradicting herself.💀

[@SaiScribbles]

I do wish they had kept the joke in the movie where Pearl tells Steven not to swipe left on her phone gallery. I think there were implications XD

[@AryTehCapricat]

It's so rich how Lily keeps insinuating Sugar is a pedo considering all the allegations against her.

[@LizLuvsCupcakes]

Oh god, what has she done?

[@AryTehCapricat]

@@LizLuvsCupcakes Grooming, molesting her little sister, denying writing a pedophilic mlp fanfic despite all the times she bragged about it as an example of her "writing prowess"

[@arisans2987]

​@@LizLuvsCupcakesGroom minors, write pro-p*dophilia/pro-r*pe/pro-incest MLP fanfics and SAing her younger sister. So, yeah, not only does Lily make terrible videos, she's also a terrible person who has no ground to stand on when accussing someone of being a p*dophile

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

​@@LizLuvsCupcakeswhat *hasn't* she done?

[@LizLuvsCupcakes]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real uh… from what I’ve learned, it seems she cannot be held responsible for any recent genocides.

[@Nyrinx]

Whenever Lily makes a video, Freud's ashes spontaneously combust

[@ghostbait1419]

ngl the craziest thing about her ranting about Vidalia's painting is that it's so obviously supposed to be a reference to those old portraits with cherubim with Steven as a cherub, it's even more obvious of a reference because she literally has a self-portrait based off 'The Scream' in the same episode the Steven & Garnet painting was made 💀