Limit Maximum - Obvious Cheater Fakes Blind Progression in FFXIV

[@qlcrane8019]

Now that Max finished the new EW raid the difference between these "blind" runs and the actual livestreamed no guides available raids was astonishing. The other members of his team troubleshooted more mechanics than Max who previously had a plan ready after 1 pull and now he was sitting there silently as others made the tactics. In the end he didnt even end up raid leading and instead his melee player was calling out mechanics for him. Also he said it was his last tier that he streams on FF and he blamed the FF community for being weird when in reality every critique that Max got came from his own viewerbase and ex wow players. 99,9% of the FF community doesnt even know who he is

[@hedvixWill]

Yeah it's also weird that if anything he can disprove all this cheating allegation by doing the EW raid "blind" and show his raid leading skill. Instead he took a backseat and let others lead and stopped being able to "look ahead". Also its the classic playing the "victim" that he's doing. "FFcommunity said i cheated, now im no longer blind progging because anything i do is considered cheating" is just another attempt to hide what he did. He knows that if he had to actually do these blind, it will expose him even more. Well played max..

[@troper7317]

Such a sad experience for Thd and Ninja Max (Serahline) both good players that spent all day and love prog in Final Fantasy.

[@VaSoapman]

He wants to be hailed as a genius without any of the work... or talent. When it became clear that he can no longer do that in FF14, he has no more use for the game.

[@GetterRay]

Max calling people "weidos" is classic gaslighting. He's the cheater, he's the liar, he's the one attacking his own friends and accusing them of cheating, then he tries and call any critics of his weirdos and hides behind a vague claim of mental health issues. Maybe his mental health is being affected, but that's his own fault. He's literally crying as he strikes you.

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@hedvixWill Preach. TPS got accused of cheating. TPS disproved them by getting even *more* WFRs. TPS earned my respect for it. Max got accused of cheating. Max proved them by hiding behind excuses. Max lost my respect for it.

[@Brickman430]

The "YO YO HOL' UP HOL' UP" prediction and giga brain revelations didn't come back for Pandemionium SADGE.

[@ShuiroHotaru]

Yeah x) I watched some of their P2S prog and was really confused at his strat for Kampeos Harma... Like, so much movement when it was obvious it could be done so easily with just the purple numbers standing still and the blue one doing two steps forwards/backwards to switch... I was so frustrated to see him insisting on his cracked strat for so long...

[@zycane]

Now with the new savage raids out, its too obvious he was faking the 'Blind prog'. He ain't got a single clue about the mechanics there, so all his "big brain moments" were just him looking at guides beforehand. He was literally playing Captain Hindsight. Claiming blind prog and doing these shenanigans, are just next level sad and hilarious.

[@DawnAfternoon]

I thought something felt off watching Max's stream when Scripe's streams felt a lot more genuine by comparison. Sad to know my gut feeling was correct.

[@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931]

the fact that scripe feeling down because prob he think they did a lot worse than Max team is actually really sad I hope they clear soon and don't bully narco too hard lol

[@manbeard8678]

@@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 Narc OMEGALUL. Seriously tho I love all Echo team.

[@xpekzggsquaa4732]

​@@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 Max, world first twice. Echo world first multiple times while also being 16hr behind Limit and while Limit also gets 16hr reset early in week 2 . echo is genuine and has better players and Limit is overrated. The last WF is a prime example how Limit is overrated if Echo didnt down sylvanas week 1. Limit would have killed her first when NA gets the reset which is 16hr ahead of EU. infact limit killed her after reset week2 on the first pull and claimed world second. If Echo didn't kill week 1, once again this Limit overrated guild would have gotten world first because they get a 16hr head start week 1 and get a 16hr reset week 2 before EU does.

[@DerBlupp]

@@manbeard8678 Big props to narco to be honest. People have been shitting on him almost throughout all of progression, and while not mean spirited, hearing it that often can't feel good. Would have been easy to have a peek, but he's stayed strong & true to himself, plus his glams are the dankest.

[@Slade951]

This here. I watch ffxiv clipper on KZbin and I felt this just from watching 30 sec clip of both teams. Needles to say I followed scripe and occasionally watch his streams.

[@skipropecleopatra]

him angrily asking "how'd you know that?!" to people guessing the strats that he already read about is some imax level projection lmao what a tool

[@navi2710]

The irony here is that when I did blind savage raids I had members in my group completely guess stuff but we came up with multiple strats so there was no way of knowing who was right. Also during blind prog you check all of your debuffs and you speak with everyone in the group as to what they had and what else was going on. There was none of that here, the one that is the most sus is on Ramuh savage, there is no way any tank would know what Levin Hatred does without reading the debuff does, watching it go off and dying to it. His probably one of those people who wants to brag how he is a wow veteran and he easily cleared ffxiv savage raids. I know ffxiv raiders who do nothing but raid on 14 and then jump on to another mmo including wow. Even they are not this egotistic.

[@dmillk]

I'm usually skeptical of these kinds of videos. It's easy to find a few instances where someone is right in hours of prog footage. But this one is really hard to defend. "how'd you know that?!" implies that you know what they're saying is correct. Whoops I guess? It's also very different from their first couple of fights where Nagura was spot on many times but being heavily ignored, which is typical during blind prog since it's hard to tell the correct suggestions from the incorrect ones.

[@ToxicTurtleIsMad]

This guy is smarter than all ff players combined and wow raiding is MUCH harder. Cry more. ​@@navi2710

[@Xenis112]

Top end WoW players are just objectively better than top end FFXIV players. FF players are so mad that WoW players could figure out bosses faster that they need to cope with videos like this just to feel better. At the end of the day, this video has 0 proof of anything and speculation that is beyond reaching. Hope y'all have been enjoying your new terrible expansion 😂

[@SteelSpurs]

@@Xenis112Nice bait m8!

[@vaan_]

There's absolutely no one in this game who would have been able to guess WoL would use hallowed ground, I was kinda iffy on the other clips but that one is so obvious lmao

[@musikmann95]

everyone i know, even hardcore raiders who clear savage fights week 1, did not expect the LB invuln. (Honestly a great jebait, everyone loves it, and this asshole ruined it by looking it up) And this guy expects us to believe that a WoW refugee, who's never seen LB in another game, who's never seen any other enemy in this game do it, immediately knows that it will invuln upon LB? He's even surprised it did damage, that's how much he already knew about the fight. This guy is pathetic

[@michchu5120]

Even PFs still forget the wol invulns the LB :\

[@shaso567]

@@musikmann95 He actually had played a bunch of xiv about 1 year before this at the end of BFA on stream (around 5.2-5.3) and was very upfront about that part... He should have been new to most SB savage content though or very foggy on it at least.

[@neony123]

Dude.. his chat was spamming "LB PepeLaugh" day in advance of this fight.. how is that hard to comprehend they expected this?

[@Floober903]

Wow raiders and FF14 are on a different level of IQ. Pls sit down

[@srnigromante9214]

There was such a big difference between these guys and echo and its hilarious. Echo actually was doing the kind of fucked up strats you would expect from blind raiders.

[@StormierNik]

Echo always seems like they're having a great time and limit is fake as fuck

[@coolyeh1017]

@@StormierNik I feel bad for some of this groupmates because it seems like some of the members of limit are trying to do it blind. If this is true, Max not only robbed himself of a blind prog, but also his teammates.

[@dragocrafterr8286]

@@puffthestuff7445 wtf lmao I agree with the vid but why make this a weird personal attack

[@qlcrane8019]

@@puffthestuff7445 Limit Josh? You mean Method Josh

[@bangbangbowman284]

@@puffthestuff7445 and there it is, the dumbest thing I've read all day

[@kas1380]

I was a bit skeptical on some of the earlier clips but that E10S guess was just so exact for a mechanic that hasn't been in any other fight in any other mmo that comes to mind was such an obvious clue he's researched ahead. Like most people are saying it's not a big deal to look ahead but it is when claiming "blind"

[@hzi88]

Yeah it is also no obvious mechanic at all. I would be ok if he guessed the boss will do it more often, or do it during other mechancis. But every player gets a shadow facing a certain direction is way to specific.

[@NokoFace]

It isn't a big deal in general. It's just silly that he feels the need to call it blind when it isn't. No one cares if he looks up a guide or does it blind, so why bother lying?

[@hzi88]

@@NokoFace Pure ego. Solving stuff blind fast is his prove that he is good. But actually he isn't or is not very confident in it. So he resolves to this instead.

[@sleepysera]

I'm amused because that was the LEAST damning clip of them all to me, simply because I predicted pretty much the same after doing normal mode in the afternoon before the rest of my raid group got home in the evening, back when the fight got released. I was like "Oh, it's a shadow boss, I bet in savage we'll have shadows too and will have to face them in the correct direction". To be fair, I didn't think they'd have fixed directions, I thought they'd be always behind us and their direction would change based on where our character is facing, but I don't think Max went into that much detail. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him, the other clips (especially the ones where he moves or warns for a mechanic before it even happens for the first time) make it painfully clear that he wasn't doing it blind, it's just that that one in particular was pretty "guessable" imo :)

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

@@sleepysera Fair, though not everyone would guess it. It's a VERY uncommon mechanic only really emulated here and there. But there's a lot of red flags with how he approaches fights that you have to wonder whether he actually guessed or knew EXACTLY what the shadows did.

[@PrinceSweetBun]

I'm surprised you didn't mention his E7S slip up where he somehow figured out braindead birds after the first pull, and also on stream he had a guide searched up in his search history on KZbin lmao

[@silverancient7840]

Damn that's bad lol.

[@CreepyPhantom]

lmao link me that please

[@Greg-if8es]

@@CreepyPhantom He can't link it because that didn't happen.

[@CreepyPhantom]

@@Greg-if8es that's what i thought, 5 months and still no clip lol

[@ember-evergarden]

@@Greg-if8es it did happen, if you saw the stream you'd know. stop brownosing Limit Shit

[@Bittel]

Max literally bullied Clees for calling him out in their group discord. He tried to rephrase Clees's argument into saying that his whole team was "Acting", when in reality Clees was just pointing out that Max clearly was looking ahead, and then telling his team of people what to do, presenting it as his original strategy that he had just come up with. Every single world prog player I have spoken to, who watched his blind prog, all noticed and agreed that he was, at the very least, looking ahead. I wouldn't even really care, but he literally blasted Clees for pointing this out, and bullied him for it. He also blocked Zep on twt for calling him on it as well. So to you, Max, respectfully correct your attitude please. I respected you, but clearly you can't even manage to be honest about a blind prog, on old content, on a game you don't play. And then you act like a baby when called out. Figure it out big guy.

[@imaika281]

Unless you're talking about a separate instance, Clees didn't even call him out in their group Discord or to his face. AFAIK it was conversation in a completely random server that Max isn't in, and someone took screenshots of it and they just spilled out into the public eye, and Max got butthurt about it.

[@Bittel]

@@imaika281 that just makes it worse. It means Max literally brought it up. BTW, im a bit shaky on calling this cheating, but at the very least it's dishonest to the idea of a blind prog stream. I cannot imagine having an ego this fragile, to where I'd be worried about having trouble with mechanics on a game I haven't played until recently.

[@imaika281]

@@Bittel It’s definitely not cheating but yeah, his constant scoffing at anyone who doubts him and overreactions like that just paint a bad picture.

[@Bittel]

@@imaika281 I rly just hope max stops saying "we" when people accuse him. because nobody said "they". They said "You". Also p sure this vid might get DMCA'd. If it does, at least you tried harder than the rest of us, OP.

[@atheistium]

Wait Zepla got blocked? When did this happen? :o

[@koda7720]

Him accusing his teammate of cheating because he figured out a mechanic is giving me second hand embarrassment. Dragons are looking at you, they're tethered to you and rotating with you. Pointing them away from your teammates isn't some Sherlock Holmes level deduction. Even being generous, the E10s and WOL clips are damning.

[@duo1666]

"How can you know this if you didnt look it up like i did?" "I... uhh.... played the game dude? This mechanic was used before."

[@grokkel]

that mechanic is used in fights like seiryu normal, really not that hard to recognize xD

[@thereddhare]

How to spot someone who has never watched Limit raid a single time

[@koda7720]

@@thereddhare You're right I've never watched Limit raid and wrote my comment after watching this singular video. There's a chance Max is a raiding savant. Last time I watched a WoW video Towliee was my main source for Prot Pally BIS and Bajeera had hair.

[@thereddhare]

@@koda7720 If you had ever watched Limit once, you would know stuff like Max "accusing his teammates of cheating" is extremely common banter between the members of the guild. To assume he was doing it actually seriously is just a whole level of not understanding human social environments at all, to be honest.

[@asdfghj678]

pride from praise > satisfaction of solving color me surprised an e-celeb has this personality

[@GetterRay]

Take that back. Ecelebs are the most grounded, honest, and down to earth people. They would never act based on ego or grift people for money. That's not what ecelebs stand for.

[@leisuregaming1335]

Id rather see sprout dying 10 times during their first not blind savage prog than to see these "pro gamers" pretending to solve mechanics in real time. Its so cringe.

[@MydeiRailx]

This aged like fine wine if you watch their EW raid.

[@melaniebiberger2191]

This aged well If you compare it to his wfr for asphodelus. Having Nagura stream sniping

[@qlcrane8019]

Best part about Naguura was that during their original "blind" Eden prog she complained that other people were livestreaming her stream and then during this new EW race she spent 15 hours the first day just streaming other peoples streams to snipe their tactics. Even some others the raid group asked her "is this ok to stream" and she said she didnt have permission to do it but did it anyway. Double standards

[@Ikari-js7lv]

Now it makes a lot of sense why he shut down every person that actually figured out the mechanic. Because then he wouldn't know how to play it anymore. That's why he always shut down ninja max who was actually really good at figuring stuff out. Poor thd and ninjesus

[@quiet7018]

lol thd xDD

[@Ikari-js7lv]

@@quiet7018 I don't know any of the WoW people so I can only judge from the stream. You might wanna elaborate:D

[@didac3859]

@@Ikari-js7lv Ninja Max and Thd are the 2 people that he casts doubt on after they figure out strats. Check the 18:09 timestamp.

[@Ikari-js7lv]

@@didac3859yeah. They figure out the strats from max spoiling the information to them how it works. I don't see what you mean

[@Umbrellify]

@@Ikari-js7lv both of them actually did other content in this game, so they knew how to interpret mechanics the rest of the team knew nothing about. THD for example did bozja and would constantly call mechanics that were in bozja, and Max would keep being extremely sus of him because he....... played the game and saw repeated mechanics. (he's the one that said to face Bahamut tethers away and gets called out)

[@Immperc]

The most damning for me is CLEARLY knockback mirrors. It’s so counterintuitive and the timing is incredibly specific. But clearly, they never would have passed the dps check had they not gone for that method

[@Riku2005]

Remember xenos made a bet they wouldn't beat the DPS check? Max heard it and his ego immediately took charge.

[@tessa8484]

It was suspect to me but when I saw him magically figure out the pug Lion strat I was ilke okay dude.

[@roulette994]

It wasn't in this video, but I thought it was so strange when they got to E3S, and Max gave a whole breakdown before they load into the instance to screenshot your tsunami debuffs. I thought, "Hmmm alright that's smart! I suppose he's heard that e3s is a puzzle fight and thought ahead." They get to tsunami 1, die in chaotic fashion with little to no information visually, but everyone screenshotted their debuffs for Max. You would think the first thing Max would do is read the debuffs BEFORE giving his solution to the mechanic, right? Wrong. Max Magically figures out and gives a common PUG solution to tsunami 1 BEFORE reading a single debuff. He goes back and reads them, but only after already forming a strat for the mechanic that just happens to be correct. We can excuse a few lucky guesses, it happens, but when its fight after fight, raid tier after raid tier.... Its just unbelievable at times. Even sfia couldn't bite his tongue on how insane it is that they are "coming up with bilibili lions" as their lion strat. I understand FF14 streamers are incentivized not to call him out on blatantly cheating (at least in some parts its pretty hard to defend him...) for stream content, and to avoid drama/hate since Max and Limit are kind of a big deal in WoW, but some of this is just ridiculous. It is even insulting to the people that figure out these strats originally, just to have Max "copy paste" their strats as his own. Massive respect to Scripe's group for being Legit, and giving us what we wanted out of limit max's group.

[@Exxy6965]

Scripe is insanely fun to watch and is a really down-to-earth dude. The complete opposite of Limit Max. I don't even care about the progression itself or how it is done since I'm no raider, I just do everything in normal mode, it's just something about his personality that makes him very unattractive. And if it is all true, it proves my point once again: why would you say you are doing it blind it while you actually aren't. Just makes him a fake.

[@Ikari-js7lv]

@@Exxy6965 the only thing that really icked me about limit max was how he was so desperate for praise when he was talking about their prog. 'Look how fast we figured stuff out' 'isn't that a cool strat?' 'We beat TEA in X hours. We are so fast, right?' That's really the biggest thing that made me not watch him at all anymore. In addition to him shutting down every single one suggestion to mechanics from his teammates. But since he watched a guide, he didn't need to listen to them..so that makes kinda sense.

[@LasermanSteam]

@@Exxy6965 I don't watch many streams, but from the fragments I've seen, it feels like Max does this for cred, whereas Scripe does it for fun. Scripe just saw this as an opportunity to have more things they could do blind and had a great time doing it. Max just wanted to "prove" he's the best

[@andrewshandle]

There's always a guy who wants to let everyone know he's the smartest guy in the room, that guy is Max times 1000. He loves to be a nitpick contrarian too, so if someone makes a great point, he'll always build on it a tiny bit to make it look like he refined the idea and made it better. I got this from just watching a few of his videos and his "react" videos to other streamer's content. Scripe's videos are a lot more fun, and you can see the genuine surprise when a new mechanic comes out of nowhere. FWIW, I have no idea if they're both going to be prog raiding EW in a few weeks, but Scripe's Echo group will have a major advantage because they prog'd everything else on the way. You can't fake that kind of experience, I imagine Max will be going to back to WoW with some excuse as to why he can't do it.

[@SwordsDanceQwilfish]

You know they did normal mode before doing savage right?

[@Nytezero]

That SoS LB3 prettty much sealed the deal. No one asks "did the boss take damage" in blind unless they know what's up.

[@blackmage567]

Thats actually one that i dont buy, i didnt do this on Extreme, but when i saw that tank LB was mandatory i was reminded of Jaina using ice block when you timewarp. In case you arent familiar with Wow, Time warp is the equivalent of Limit Break, its an ability that Mages have, and Jaina is a strong Mage in the lore, so she goes immune if you cast time warp.

[@rickperriwinkle]

@@blackmage567 If the equivalency is strong, shouldn't they worry about invluns in every blind fight?

[@blackmage567]

@@rickperriwinkle maybe, but it is specifically using your own strongest party wide skill against you. I mean it immediately came to my mind, why wouldnt it for them

[@rickperriwinkle]

@@blackmage567 Because it didn't come to mind for any other boss. Either you're concerned about a mechanic or you're not. Jaina invuln sounds like a pretty convenient excuse, considering the thought was never brought up before.

[@magical11]

Ah I remember him saying this. If I recall correctly, it was because sfia had mentioned something about the limit break charging up due to certain conditions, with one of them being the boss taking damage etc.

[@pyromeximike]

7:49 look at how he reacts to the other guy saying he figured it out. The other guy says ohh i get it and max is like uh yeah i get it too trying to interprupt to explain. Hes seeming to be the type who trys to pretend to know something first in order to look better. It looks like he even starts to get mad at the other guy who was talking.

[@Iwinfiltrator]

found this guy obnoxious from the very first 5 seconds of watching one of these "blind" progs, also found it funny they had a banner on their stream stating "NO HELP" when he certainly had no problem helping himself to guides

[@OM3GA-Z3RO]

All his predictions are extremely specific and on point, there is no way you can be on point all the time without experiencing it once.

[@scotaloo77g73]

The ones that were shown in the video*

[@dahulius]

@@scotaloo77g73 The man literally makes predictions constantly, must not have been hard to find a few that were right lol.

[@Tigerhearty]

It's because this guy obviously study the fight before doing them, he's scare sh1tless to look like a looser or an average player, wich he probably is when he doesn't overstudy these fights, just like everyone else should be going "blind". These streamers have way too big ego's and end up not looking and sounding natural. Just fame chasers.

[@OM3GA-Z3RO]

@@Tigerhearty That just makes him look more than a loser.

[@udiar]

guys have we considered that he may have the Echo?

[@PaulSmith-fd2gy]

Limit max (sees the sun) Also limit max: Hold up, I feel like a giant fire hawk is gonna breathe a deadly fire wave on the raid and spawn flaming Chicken dicks that i feel u will have to eat 3 to lose the inferno debuff that increases 50% per tick for 30min or until death. Random Guy : You have to jump to avoid that Limit max: Hold up, How do you know that??

[@delusifer1017]

basically

[@one_eyeddd473]

Yooo this deserves more love so here it is a year later.....LMAO

[@ThorkellTheTall]

Seeing him get mad at THD for recognizing mechanic reuse is the funniest shit.

[@rozz1864]

Thd was recognising abilities that were reused and he would of already seen. Max predicted and overcame new mechanics before they even pulled the boss. I cringed

[@insekki]

For real. On top of that in sos the dragons are tethered to you and rotate to face you. Facing them away from the raid is pretty logical.

[@silverancient7840]

Ya the part where he just magically knows that you can individual shadows in savage in E10S is a tell tell sign is looks up guides. Also I remember watching his E8S prog because that was my most anticipated fight I wanted to see them blind prog. I was astounded at how he know from the jump to use KB invuln on KB mirrors and how to line people up for it. Flat out blatant cheating. Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed.

[@silverancient7840]

@Oscar Alvarenga well i dont think individual shadows are in Normal. Also, his theory was veeeeery.....specific....like a lot of his theories.

[@silverancient7840]

@Oscar Alvarenga your aren't entirely wrong, but he is very specific and peeps have already said how he's had cactbot in other programs telling him mechanics. Evidence in the video speaks for itself. Dude lied about blind prog period case closed.

[@candykit5382]

@Oscar Alvarenga I think the problem was he HADN'T done many fights. Unlike A2Dmax who was doing tons of content Max usually just sat around and fucked with his UI and not do any actual content

[@Zinojn]

It’s wild to me how people think Max predicting a higher difficulty mechanic is somehow cheating, or proof that its not blind. Limit has been doing this for years, any competitive wow guild predicts how mechanics would function in heroic vs mythic in WoW. As far as some of the other clips in this video -- I am not sure.

[@moonlightlocus5296]

It's not "cheating" per say, there is nothing in tos that's says you can't. However he was very disingenuous which is basically just as bad.

[@furbyoats1]

He seems like he needs everyone to think he is the smartest guy in the room.

[@drewnayr1188]

After watching EW prog he isn't even the smartest player on his team.

[@hedvixWill]

@@drewnayr1188 you can't be the smartest guy in the room if you have level playing field and no time to prepare before hand ;)

[@kurokusa-199]

the SOS LB invul was so obvious, but what does he try to prove to begin with tho, some kind of superiority complex?

[@rebeccasheng620]

sometimes it's that simple

[@GetterRay]

Yeah. Max is always losing World first in WoW so he wanted to look like a big boy in FFXIV. It really is that simple.

[@wsrtwetr]

That his wow brain is smart when he wanted to raid with cactbot and took 2 days to clear e1s lol

[@SacredMint]

The dude was losing sleep over how people weren't buying his gigabrain acting, that he started crying about it every single day on Twitter and on other streamers chats.

[@AliciaVega2192]

Based

[@Tyabann]

yeah I think the biggest red flag with this guy is how butthurt he gets when people are shittalking him like how can you be a streamer of this size and care what total randos think about you

[@WhipLash42o]

@@Tyabann Because he knows his persona is a lie, and him getting called out on it is being seen as a personal attack by him. Frankly it's autistic and cringe to see a grown ass man act the way he does over it, just take the L and move on. Everyone that actually plays this game knows he's full of shit lmao.

[@ArgentinePoison450]

@Wet Eyes Ocean Machine He's so good he has to be the coach for his wow raid KEKW

[@uppsie]

Hi ryv

[@methos4866]

He just feels pretty annoying in general to me. It also just feels like he's dropping by while WoW is in the dumps. Scripe and the other people from Echo on the other hand give off a completely different vibe and seem to be getting invested. Idgaf if Max is "cheating" tbh. I just find his attitude annoying.

[@miqotesoulia8620]

^ this comment should be at the top. Cant stand the ego from him, he gotta raid lead but damn is it so over the top for me.

[@shiryushini7321]

This tbh. Just his comments about media tour when he said it was great some people leaked and that SE should choose better people (like him of course, he wouldn't leak obviously wink wink) made me already despise him. His attitude towards his mates and him calling them out for cheating as soon as be isn't the one figuring a mechanic out is basically cheater's complex, all of them assume others are actually cheating. This guy is purely a clown and he played himself, there's even a clip (not sure if it was deleted, but can't find it anymore) where he goes on youtube to watch a speedkill and you can see "eXs guide" (don't remember which one exactly) in the search history, imagine being that dumb.

[@Double_Cheeseburger]

Yeah he is absolutely insufferable tbh.

[@Lusowrath]

Mad

[@morrigangg]

@@Lusowrath virgin

[@PowerArmorV113]

Not cheating, just a lack of integrity. Which is honestly worse, because it shows his words can't be trusted.

[@geetargato]

Cheating in a sense of the competition of learning the fights quickly.

[@andrewshandle]

​@@geetargato Well, I guess that's more of a semantic issue than anything, because there is no rule against reading/watching strategies. Cheating is a banable offense in FFXIV, he's just lying. If he and, say Echo made a bet who could do it first while making a gentlemen's agreement that it had to be blind, then he'd be cheating. Otherwise, he's not. But even being dishonest is bad and as the OP said, shows a crazy lack of integrity especially when he himself set the parameters for his raiding. I was going to compare him to a golfer who is just playing a round on their own who doesn't count 2 strokes when they go out of bounds, but even golf has specific rules that you can't do that, so even that's not applicable. But to follow that analogy, he's the guy who doesn't count any penalty strokes but still brags about the score he shot in the clubhouse bar after the round. ;)

[@bananza9860]

yes, looking up a guide on how to do a raid isn't cheating. however, he's breaking his own rules (no spoilers) which is cheating his own challenge.

[@MaisieSqueak]

@@geetargato essentially he wants to blaze to the end (which he did... Skip skip skip) and then "prove" himself better than us FFXIV "weebs" by finishing it faster. It was a bitter crusade from the first.

[@Tigerhearty]

Between this and the streamers using a 2nd pc with deep learning "player" that plays your game and learn at your place, and become perfect at the game... There are a lot of ways to even "emulate" blind progression, and this is one of the laziest ones. Imagine faking blind progression and being caught easily by human observation.

[@denniswong4248]

you can argue some of them is just a lucky guess, but knowing the WOL would cast hallowed ground and be immuned when you use limit break, there's just no way anyone would be able to guess that.

[@flameduel]

I didn't even know about the hollowed ground thing until this video like at all. That was a surprise to me when he explained that WoL casts Hollow on your LB.

[@thehurricane6767]

Wol uses it on normal difficulty

[@ucmanhle9601]

@@thehurricane6767 And he “guessed” it on their first normal mode run

[@thehurricane6767]

Tbf, I answered that before watching the clip. I also wasnt defending Max in any way

[@ucmanhle9601]

@@thehurricane6767 Oh nvm then I thought you were talking for Max.

[@KaiserGamesGamersRiseUp]

It was pretty obvious they were looking up strats during their "blind" prog. Whenever they get stuck on certain mechanics they would magically solve it the same way as current strats the next day. I remember telling my friend about it during their Eden's Verse prog, and after that it just wasn't fun to watch LimitMax anymore. I also got the feeling he wasn't very nice, from his mannerisms and constant interjection when others were talking. If I wanted shitty acting I'd watch The Room.

[@doodi9450]

he

[@jungroan]

You missed the most obvious tell, which was when they cleared e5s (i think??) earlier than they thought so they started e6s for shits, which he clearly had not studied for beforehand. And my god, was Max's performance in actual blind prog WAYYY different. It was hugely meme.

[@wsrtwetr]

Guys, Max is an astrologian irl and it explains why he can predict the mechs so well. Leave him alone and stop bullying him.

[@udiar]

nah man he just has the echo even astros wouldnt be able to predict stuff in the heat of battle

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

I don't know man, pulling solutions to mechs out of "thin air" is more of WHMs specialty

[@Sylvie0512]

@@bigtimetimmyjim6486 lmao

[@nigruskaja]

Easy max's fanboy...

[@nari_dh]

@@nigruskaja -the joke-> you

[@JamieMarty96]

Honestly was expecting this to be whiny clickbait but this is pretty damning. I'm convinced now. Was he doing this through the fights when he just started? Maybe he underestimated the game and didn't want to get embarrassed.

[@kylestewart2829]

They started cheating after e2s you can watch the vod it's pretty obvious

[@kasper1241]

I love that THD did what you're actually supposed to do and learned mechanics while leveling. And then he gets shit from people who just boosted characters.

[@NinjaFrog65]

Ok, so the Sword thing on Seat of Sacrifice felt a bit shaky but being aware of Warrior of Light using Hallowed Ground is actually impossible. Literally no boss I know of save the ARR Trails (but for rush prevention rather than actual mechanical reasons) has any ability that makes them invincible. Makes them exempt from targeting during transition? Yes. Takes them away from the battlefield before something happens? Absolutely. Invincibility in response to using one of the games most powerful abilities? Please show me another one cause the only one I know of is Warrior of Light. And then for him to go like "Oh how do you know [the dragon mechanic from the same fight]?", bruh they literally do it in the Seiryuu fight twice. Though the biggest crime is turning down To The Edge to almost muted levels. Put that song on blast, fuck your calls, this song is too powerful and good not to.

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

While I don't entirely enjoy To The Edge, it is a good song. it just ain't my cup of tea but it definitely is a nice song. But yeah, the guy just... Come on, there's being intuitive and then there's being blatant.

[@YubiYubi_]

Being super hesitant to not using LB against WoL and being surprised that it does damage is super obvious. The random excuses he gave is just cherry on top. "We don't know how it works. Maybe its a weird limit break niche boss" I cant xd. His team is so confused at what he trying to say.

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

@@YubiYubi_ I'll speak in my experience; I didn't know he could do that. So, I limit breaked, and suddenly saw him take no damage - I saw that Hallowed Ground, and I simply said: "WAIT HE CAN JUST INVULN THAT? BULLSHIT" Note that I had done WoL before (On EX too mind you) and hadn't run into that situation, and as I now know in order to use an LB against him, he needs to be busy channeling something (Makes sense, but nobody going blind would know that) So, him somehow KNOWING he had some sort of defense against LBs (which no other boss really HAS, not even ARR EXs which have anti-rushing mechanics) is a telling sign. As far as I know, they skipped the normal version. If they knew he could do it in normal, it'd make a little more sense, but I have the idea they're truly going in 'blind' with these runs, so...

[@AleXannon92]

Gratz to echo who finally cleared it on the last day

[@minuette1752]

I thought Echo could not get it done.

[@jaredfource]

@@minuette1752 Sadly, they had to turn echo on (no pun intended) and maxed it out to clear because it was only a few hours left before server maintenance

[@hedvixWill]

@@jaredfource Still had more respect to them than what Max did. Hope Echo gets to hear this so they don't feel so down. They did really well.

[@falkarios2944]

Well they didn't even pretend to do the recent savage raids blind. They looked up as much info as they could, and had a 9th person watching streamers do the fights for more info. That's fine to do if you're open about it an honest, but it kinda shows they don't really care about doing fights blind. Echo still did all of the new fights completely blind.

[@ole88bluegmc]

And they cleared it at about the same time too. Sad. I bet Echo had more fun.

[@xbree_]

I don’t like that max says FFXIV raiding is only fun blind, but then looks up strats on the side and also during this new tier looks at other strats/streams. If it’s not fun looking at guides or others then why look when he clearly knows he’s not getting world first.

[@hedvixWill]

It's his way to saying that he is much superior than everyone else. Looking guides is too easy for him, he needs to come up with his own strat.. imagine the irony that he got found out looking up guides ayy

[@kichiro84]

I remember when he shit on casuals all the time for using Echo, Limit strats and that they are not doing blind progs like he did. Now at the Tier 1 Savage progression, they scrutinizing "Stals" and "No Hit" streams for long long minutes, almost no self progression and you see how hypocrite he is in the context for doing blind progression as he said before.

[@sl5945]

You guys are the worst part of the final fantasy community. Do better.

[@xbree_]

@@sl5945 you are the worse part, I’m not a mindless bot and I’m allowed an opinion even if it’s not one you agree with. I like max and I’m not pulling this out my ass. I’ve watched many of his streams since he started playing ffxiv and subbed to him. I like him as a person. That doesn’t mean I can’t call bull shit when I see bull shit.

[@niksolu]

its funny how they registered for wf but looked up strategies

[@peppermint7152]

I watched his prog from the beginning. His (apparent?) intelligence impressed me at first, but as time went on I did grow a bit suspicious. Not so much I wasn't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I did wonder. He made some strange leaps of logic and settled on strats I'd never expect to see in prog. Ultimately, I didn't quit watching Max because I was convinced he was a liar. I quit watching him because of his attitude. Time and time again he'd attack, mock, and ridicule his viewers--often unprovoked. I'd never seen a man with an ego as fragile as his. It was just hard to watch. I met some other twitch streamers through him that are a real delight, though. I love Ninja!Max's energy and passion for the game; he's legitimately very good at it, too. Naguura is chill and fun to watch. And Lumidelle is a total sweetheart when I feel like tuning into something a little smaller scale. I don't regret watching Max's streams, but mostly for the people around him rather than the man himself.

[@andrewshandle]

So in this case, the blind prog actually _was_ the friends you met along the way. :)

[@Staineless84]

Ninjamax is the goat dude, I'd always go to watch his streams since Max didn't even have the basic understanding that yes, you can use LD in prog without a whm and live, but you'd be stupid to not want a whm for it and save your healers 2 abilities or gcd's each. His suspicion at Ninjamax and THD for recognising a mechanic is pretty telling too. If you're doing something like cheating like this, it's hard to imagine you're the only one, so seeing Ninjamax know how a mechanic he'd never 'seen' before would work is pretty hard for him to imagine. Thing is, NinjaMax spent his spare time doing every damn dungeon and extreme they weren't gonna prog in this game, he's seen it all in these other fights. Mechanics get easier once you've seen about 50 examples of how FFXIV might use them.

[@HanaYuria]

Kinda obvious how he's trying to make it seem like he had some gigabrain moment in the midst of all these, predicting savage mechanics IN normal mode is the biggest giveaway. I don't know why you need to set some sort of standard for yourself without fulfilling them yourself in front of, I guess, thousands of people. We don't care. Two of these tiers have been there since forever. Did he just think the raiders were that stupid? Anyone who's played both know how much savage content likes to surprise and/or differ in terms of mechanics, even if the core mechanic was the same. Some mechs flatout don't exist in normal. These are things you realize DURING savage, not during normal.

[@LasermanSteam]

While Max might have fooled me if it was the only example, when you have Echo to compare it to it becomes night & day. It's SUPER blatant Limit (or at least max) was looking at how things worked beforehand. Echo clearly had no fucking clue and was figuring stuff out on the fly, leading to them doing some things completely differently from any strat I've seen discussed

[@ovangunnar1709]

I laughed so hard at Eco's e9s vine strats, it's so great! Doing blind and making your original own strats is really fun.

[@capo3645]

it's really obvious when you watch echo as well that they don't look things up lmao when they were doing e8s they were freaking out for ages over a debuff that was just... the sch shield lmfao XD

[@LasermanSteam]

@@capo3645 not gonna lie I've wiped a p1s group due to I think it was shield samba making me think I had red chains lol

[@Hemestal]

I mean, I'm a cutting edge raider in WoW and I usually die to stuff like 5 to 9 times in savage before I can finally figure it out, and I'll mess things up EVEN with people telling me exactly what to do over discord simply because there's a lot of trial an error involved when you haven't seen the mechanic with your own eyes.

[@gamer8622]

Echo has always been the better guild from WoW. They took basically every wf from the modern game until their top healer got kicked out and caused a lot of issues. So to consider that and the fact that they were only like 20 places lower than limit is damn impressive and shows how shit limit rly is. Btw they would routinely cheat in wow. Like almost every tier

[@ericflower6513]

Its pretty clear he knows shit beforehand and wants to appear to be 300IQ player. The fact that he also constantly coped how he figured out mechanics faster than Echo is peak cringe considering Max keeps losing world firsts while having an advantage each time

[@Lusowrath]

"Keeps losing world firsts" stay mad youll never be half as good as any of them.

[@yrbo93]

I mean theyve won 2 out of the last 3 but yeah

[@kilikx1x]

"If we as a group collectively have looked up guides" Now why would you go ahead and word it like that Max? Most people were directly accusing you specifically of looking up information, not "your group collectively" This video was honestly a breath of fresh air. I had come to the same conclusion when I was first watching Limit prog through these fights. At first I was actually really excited to watch them prog because I thought it would be interesting to see how WoW players blind prog FFXIV fights but, like you said at the start, if you have any amount of substantial blind prog experience its very obvious that Max had more information than he should have. These examples in this video are just the extremely blatant ones, and not even all of them, but there are so many more minor things that he did/said that he really shouldn't have known. It was so refreshing watching Echo be truly blind through these fights though.

[@Fyokx]

Thanks for taking your time to make this my guy. I don't really care if anyone does blind prog or not, but max went so much out of his way to claim he did blind prog, even calling out people on twitter and what not that this is the juice we need.

[@DantoriusD]

Ey yo Fox. Hope we see you again in Endwalker. Really enjoying your Videos.

[@Fyokx]

@@DantoriusD Aww man, thank you for the kind words. Sadly I won't be playing XIV Endwalker anymore. If you ever fancy yourself some Lost Ark though! :D

[@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931]

@@Fyokx i dont care man, make some drama video or ranting i love your vid on that

[@drauphn1r599]

@@Fyokx Hey Fox! The very man who's vids turned me into the mediocre Dancer I am today....couldn't have done it without you my guy! Sad to see you won't be playing Endwalker though...maybe I should give Lost Ark a whirl sometime!

[@ember-evergarden]

Got carried through all 3 ultimates and will never even touch DSR kekw

[@imaika281]

Yeah as much as I enjoy some of the people in Max's group there's no shot Max himself was actually blind on this stuff, it's pretty clear having done blind prog in this game before. It's funny because multiple other world prog minds I've spoken to feel the same way, but Max tends to deflect by saying anyone who thinks it's not blind prog must have no experience doing blind prog - when it's quite the opposite, the biggest skeptics I've met are all people who have experience doing blind prog. Above all, I feel the most bad for the other 7 people he was raiding with. The most rewarding part of blind prog is being the guy who solves a mechanic, especially one that the rest of your group is stumped about, or getting people on the trail towards solving a mechanic that you're all stumped on. In his position when he knows the solution ahead of time and just magically comes up with the correct solution within 30 seconds of seeing the mechanic for the first time, it robs the rest of his raid of that opportunity. Sad. You see how much he uses "We" in the last minute of the vid, but that's the thing, I haven't met anyone who thinks the entire group is lying, they believe just Max is the one that's going in without being blind. It's not a "We" it's you, Max, and your insecurity only shows harder when you permaban people like Clees from your chat and block them on Twitter the moment they show any sort of skepticism towards whether or not you're actually blind. These aren't even people like your usual stream chat trolls, they're just normal dudes who think you're lying but they don't give enough a shit about it to try and like, harass you, and yet you get upset and block them. All that said, I still think the people who are getting way too mad at him need to chill out. It ain't that serious to be wishing death or going out of your way to harass the guy

[@ironwolfsaber2739]

Sadly it's the other way around on terms of going how the way to be mad at max, max has fans bring him evidence of doubters to rant over.

[@wsrtwetr]

But going out of my way to laugh at the guy tho... I will definitely do. If you wanna go into another game, boost, put no effort in, and claim you bug boi go blind clear and lie, yeah I am gonna shit on you hard.

[@ChaosCharge]

yea the sad part is he just ruined the experience for playing through blind for himself and potentially others players i stopped watching during their E2S prog, his constant sighing and passive aggressiveness towards the other raid members was super off putting, especially when he wasn't even doing the basics of his DRK class himself

[@Erroratu]

I remember during Titan prog someone said "We're doing good" and he got angry that they considered that to be "good". What a manchild

[@BankaiPwn]

"i stopped watching during their E2S prog, his constant sighing and passive aggressiveness towards the other raid members was super off putting". It's definitely interesting to see the dynamic from wow raids to FF with coments like this. Because I guarantee every person on the team from the wow side would raid with max again (even if no clout was to be had and it was all offstream). It's much more common to have a singular voice in a wow raid (with 20 people), even though in FF that's not always the best thing. It works for them.

[@ProfessorHeavy1]

To those saying "who cares" or "why are you being so cringe over this", what seems inconsequential to someone looking in from the outside might not be the same to others in the scene who do strict blind content like this. The reason why people care so much about this is because it exists as an unspoken rule in Savage progging, especially with a static, and especially if you're raiding as a part of content.: _If you say you are blind, you _*_are_*_ blind._ And you will not make any attempts to try to research the mechanics. You won't even follow outside suggestions unless actually desperate, and if you aren't blind, you disclose it but never give advice. This guy just moved a huge distance just to stand beneath the thunderstorm cloud in Ramuh and acted like it was a major revelation that he discovered.

[@shirox11]

The first raid tier of endwalker where everyone is blind will be very telling.

[@d4t4d13b]

They won't do that blind and wait for guides or watch other progression groups

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@d4t4d13b Yeah, and *get* the World First Raid spot because they watched someone else do it. Since I feel like that's actually happening in WoW.

[@deathlikecoast2738]

@@ArmageddonEvil imo the WoW raid groups even if they get world first there won’t be a true worlds first until a FF14 group does it

[@idleeidolon]

@@ArmageddonEvil makes you wonder how well they'll perform if there was no PTR in wow.

[@09jorgewords09]

@@idleeidolon I mean ptr is one hour, and most of the times the mechanics change from ptr to release. The real strength of the wf guilds, in my opinion echo being the one above all atm, is their natural ability to just outperform themselves from one hour ago, the last race being the best example.

[@in2it85]

*I have no problem with people who are not doing the content Blind.* *I have a problem with people LYING.* 😑 *AND FYI WoW's and FF14 Endgame are quite different.* *ALSO both Games have mechanics, that the other one does not.*

[@kasper1241]

He keep saying "It would make no sense if WE ALL watched guides" but you didn't ALL watch guides.

[@NateTheGreat101-c7l]

To be honest when me and my friends were watching max during his groups first “blind” prog raids in eden, and him magically figuring it out in 2 wips sometimes 1 with actual common pug strats, such as Shiva Sharingan strat and the lions as well. My initial thought was that he had the world first BLM sending him discord messages and pictures and toolbox’s as a 9th man.

[@ShuiroHotaru]

Why would Sfia do that tho ?

[@NateTheGreat101-c7l]

@@ShuiroHotaru because he can and max gives him recognition, sfia's vieweship went up a lot ever since he gave max and his gang free gear and max shouted him out. sfia WAS NOT very big in viewership until now he was around 50-100 viewers whenever he streamed.

[@korimandible9839]

It's really funny how the Max simps tend to really cringe out saying stuff like touch grass, or no one cares. Y'all are right, no one really cares. But the true cringe lies at lying being blind but not really. I thought he was competitive? Where's the integrity. Either way nobody cares right. Kek. I enjoyed and was genuinely excited when they said they were raiding in ff, but as time went by it became blatantly obvious that max wasnt blind. Some of my raider friends noticed too and we lost interest in the prog. I gave Echo a chance since I heard they were competition and see how they do it. Completely light and day. The Echo guys are legit, and have my respect even if that doesnt matter, or 'no one cares'. Tldr. No one really cares if they blind or no in the first place, but at least dont pretend to be blind if they are not really.

[@TheIvanche7]

Its not only max tho. I appreciate max aswell. But THD pisses me off. Dude literally spams chats from Roger and Scripe,making fun of them for wiping during blind progress. And he didint even do blind prog. What a guy :)

[@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931]

@@TheIvanche7 Yeah scripe is exhausted mentaly because of this, I heard from fraggo stream today scripe still not ready to continue the prog hope they came back soon

[@atheistium]

@@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 wait he's exhausted because of this video or due to blind prog?

[@haristsp6025]

@@TheIvanche7 they are going way back, all moderators are sort of trying to wind up the chat and making entertaining, good ones at least. I think THD is doing great work at making their stream funnier, whether his intentions are good or not, helps the viewership by a lot.

[@kaukolsothy9919]

@@TheIvanche7 ????? THD is literally a mod in both Roger and Scripe chat. Roger VOD title was also "I feed on PepeLaugh" meaning that he loves THD meme and also Scripe activated Madge to feed on THD meme on chat. If else, THD made the blind progression way better for echo as chat finally has a tool to interact without talking about the progression itself.

[@GetterRay]

He's right about one thing, it is an insane thing to act and pretend that you would do things blind when you're not. But the reason why is pretty simple. Max is a small man, who needs to feed his ego and pretend like he's some god gamer. He needs to put down others and fluff himself up. He wanted to come from WoW to a smaller game, look like the big bad raider who can figure everything out because he's world first material and put down others and call them cringe and gaslight his own party members to make himself feel big. Can't wait for Xenos to try and clout chase harder and defend him and call everyone else cringe despite being the most cringe person in the FFXIV community.

[@amonkeigh4970]

had the displeasure of watching arthas do that for an hour earlier today.... it was fucking glorious man, he started off chatting mad shit and doing the usual arthas thing and by the end of the vid even he was like "fuck, they got me". again though arthas has done very well out of the wow stuff, but i dont get how its so wrong to just be like "i dont want to comment on this either way" if your trying to be neutral or just "yeah its pretty obvious its not blind but i dont care"

[@GetterRay]

@@amonkeigh4970 Clout chasing. Arthars wants that sweet WoW parasocial relationship dollars.

[@kingsaxon]

Bruh I subbed to xeno for 1 years at point now he's so cringe doing reaction videos and shit to wow videos

[@kr-0-wn]

I love a good blind run, it's one of my favorite things to do and I totally understand why someone might take a quick peak to see maybe what is ahead to brace themselves, but I find it very gross that while he is cheating, he is getting on people for his group for also doing the same (which I don't think they are. I think they are going in actually blind, they are just more aware of the mechanics and how to solve them since they are going in blind and are forced to problem solve on the spot). Don't be the pot that calls the kettle black.

[@DerBlupp]

Thanks for making this video. Not gonna lie, he had me fooled - I only ever watched the streams on my 2nd monitor and I didn't pay attention to detail, but these clips are pretty damning. These accusations have been around for a while, and at first I wanted to believe this narrative of 'echo fanboys' or whatever he's claiming just trying to stir up drama, I even defended him multiple times in chat because it just seems so stupid to cheat in his position. But his movement in the e5s clip for example paired with the coms are kind of inexcusable. I would like to give him the chance to tell his side of the story, but it seems he's keeping his mouth shut, which is probably for the best. One of these rare cases where I'm sad I was wrong, and I'm sorry for his 7 other mates, really a shame. I still enjoyed the streams though, people like Ninja Max, THD or Naguura are entertaining & definitely don't deserve hate. My theory is that he started off legit, but got mad somewhere along the way of his chat & others memeing/clowning on him (even though their group has always been doing well imo, and also nobody of importance cares). It felt like he was a bit too cocky from the get go, but shrugged it off to his (undeniable) success in wow - turns out he just has a brittle ego. Echo is a great alternative though, if you want genuine blind progression & gamers that just wanna game, no one thats peacocking their 'problem solving'. And yes, he is 'cheating' himself and his group - if you've been following these guys, you know the context. The title is not clickbait. Classic NA I guess Sadge

[@minuette1752]

Yea I thought they were legit going blind.

[@silversflow4469]

Now it’s water under the bridge and he himself has officially quit the community, I just wonder what’s the purpose of him doing all these? Pretending to be blind and beat it easily and fast and then went out and tell everybody that he’s good at the game, just to prove ff14 hard core raiding is easier than wow? Ofc he’s a grown adult who knows the consequences so why? Is it that he really loves wow so much so he has to come to its opponent’s game with an evil intention just to shit on it? And P4S world first racing thing, if he really didn’t care at all, why did he still lead his team to participate the competition and brought more of his fans into ff14 (though that might not be a good thing to him now lol) I don’t know all these, but one thing for sure is that I would hardly doubt that if anyone tells me Max didn’t have any fun in his ff14 experience at all.

[@hedvixWill]

@@silversflow4469 I think he probably did have fun originally. Offcourse that will be tainted if the game community marks you as a cheater/liar, but that is the consequence of his own action. WoW is a dying game and as a streamer he needed to branch out to other games. FF14 is just the easiest game for him to transition to due to what he does on WoW

[@AlyxandraLoF]

@@hedvixWill wow in terms of raiding is absolutely not dying the world first race is exploding in value 100 thieves likely just picked limit up wouldn't be shocked to see an org like G2 pick up echo.

[@barsonik3855]

@@silversflow4469 This is why I think the whole accusations are bullshit. What is his plan? To turn up, do all the ff14 raids "blind" but knowing the tactics in order to ??????? He's always said that doing raids non blind isn't fun for him so why would he do that to himself, just doesn't seem right

[@Shyverin]

What is that e10 call LMAO, “lemme just predict the biggest mechanic of the fight to the letter”

[@wsrtwetr]

He might as well say use jp strat on void gate at that point 😆

[@Rpgotoko]

I thought it was clickbait title at first and I was dead wrong you go so much good argument. Good video keep the good work.

[@peasantofpersia]

What a surprise. Echo got world first jailor and limit just gave up.

[@jaeusa160]

Never paid close enough attention to the raiding scene. As someone who has done both, and even far more dedicated prog in WoW than 14, I have watched some of Echo doing these progs in 14 at least, and it's been neat seeing them enjoy the challenging and brutal experience of these encounters. It's a shame that Max here embodies the opposite of that, the actual WoW Andy with a huge chip on his shoulder who needs to show how "easy" the 14 encounters are by instantly solving them via magical clairvoyance. And then making an excuse to NOT do the actual blind tier when it's new.

[@peasantofpersia]

The true evidence of max cheating was the fact that during actual progs at the start of new tiers, max couldn't come up with any strats, and Echo would clear bosses much faster than limit.

[@rxd_titan2860]

The problem with Max is ego. Limit pulled ahead in WoW due to cracks that formed in Method (due to the josh/other drama in general) which ultimately lead to Method falling apart - this shot Limit to the top in everyone's eyes because they beat an underperforming Method. Sadly, when things like this happen it generates ego, an ego which needs to stay relevant so it will do every single thing possible to show that its still the "best" - in Max's case, pretending he's doing it blind so he can maintain the "I'm a god tier raider" status. Had he not done this, people would have genuinely had more respect for him if he didn't watch guides for FFXIV content. Limit fans are going to hate this take but unfortunately that's just how it was/is.

[@envycaution5002]

max doesnt even prog raid anymore to be fair mans on the sideline as part of the 21-23rd mans

[@AlyxandraLoF]

Limit pulled ahead because they got to a high enough level to get sponsored as a us guild when enabled them to treat it as a job previously no us guild had been able to do that but with streaming getting big in the race it became viable. This then let them replace players who were only in the top 200 in the US with top 10 players like Shak. Both Limit and Echo would destroy any previous guild even Paragon because they are able to pull players who previously would be focusing on tournament stuff which is where the only money in wow was.

[@VTsimpingSan]

I didn’t realize how important doing blind raids would be for the experience. I always look up guides because if we wipe too much, people get angry in regular raids.

[@KazaarLotha]

its not really important. as he said, its more about lying that you would go blind and then you dont.

[@petree]

@@KazaarLotha it is kinda important because understanding raids and executing them is different from going in completely blind trying solve the puzzle and execute. I will say i do agree with you about the saying blind but then not going in thing tho

[@Exaltable]

There is a big difference in queueing into a group of strangers who know the content and doing a static or day one experience with an agreement to be blind

[@ZombieWolfe]

Tbh blind raids is how I like to play them but the statics I found hate me for it so I get kicked.

[@VTsimpingSan]

@@ZombieWolfe Yeah I figured getting a full blind group would be pretty difficult to find or get in.

[@SimonTang8484]

This is a great video and thx for putting these together, as someone who watched his stream casually, I was convince that he didn't cheat and people were bitching about him for no reason. But after watching this, it is painfully obvious that he looked up guide. (Especially the WOL Hollow Ground example). I love to see him react to this video and talk his way out of this.

[@Simbion12]

Pretty funny how this tier the last 3 bosses were not part of the ptr and Liquid got completely stomped on them by Echo to the point where they were copy-pasting even their weak auras and big wigs. I guess Max has mad blind prog skills only in FF.

[@ericflower6513]

Remember that Max had chance to prove his 300 IQ FF raiding brain in Endwalker when the new raids came out that had NO GUIDES available but he made an excuse to not do blind raiding and had Naguura make powerpoints of every mechanic for Max but he still failed them and had to be carried by his melee player raid leading lmao

[@iratham2567]

Max won his first WFR cause he spent TONS of cash on addons and splits for his guild and he was the only guild to do 21st man raid lead. He only won Nathria due to Josh breaking up Method before Shadowlands and Echo having to reform due to the controversy. Also Limits 16hr headstart threw Echo for a spin in Nathria causing them to skip splits and go back into mythic early instead of gearing. If Echo had ran full splits they would have probably killed Denathrius within the 16hrs Limit did putting the run into disputed territory. Now Echo has fully reformed and people are seeing how completely fucking useless Max is compared to his co caller. Max is just a money battery and conman nothing else.

[@Xbob42]

@@iratham2567 To be clear, I don't think clearing the run within 16 hours puts it into "disputed" territory. It is race to world first, not race to world first if we subtract head starts that can sometimes provide an advantage and sometimes provide nothing. Like, if a Chinese team beats a boss shortly after Echo, is that kill then "disputed"? They get their patches/resets even later. To me, the only way it would be disputed is if the RWF was over within a 1-3 days or so. When it comes to this week 3, nearly week 4 shit that tiny "advantage" begins to fade away. There's also the simple fact that if it's being streamed, that means the other teams, with nothing else to do, can just see what your strat is and skip a fair amount of the progress you put in, keeping them fresher for longer. (Which also makes the "kill within 16 hours" thing dubious... once it's down the entire strat is visible start to finish, so you know exactly what to prepare for, accelerating your progress, on top of no longer having the pressure of the actual race. Unless your team is devastated, then this should result in more consistent play.) Obviously it's going to vary per RWF, per boss, etc and in the end it would be... maybe not best, but most fair if it was an official thing where teams competed to qualify to play on a tournament realm and all went down to an official event for a while. As it stands though, this is what we get.

[@braigybraig]

The thing is there's absolutely nothing wrong with watching guides but being disingenuous about it and saying you're actually doing it blind is just clown behavior. It's obvious the dude has a huge ego and couldn't stand the idea of not looking like the smartest guy in the room whos just gigabraining popular pug strats.

[@silverancient7840]

exactly

[@54fedase90]

I like to give people a benefit of the doubt, but that lion strat, shadow 5head prediction + moving sword prediction and HG in WoL fight is too obvious.

[@Kuripants]

I'd argue the sword mechanic could have been inuited with two conditions: 1) He'd already seen them start to move AND 2) He possessed enough experience with FFXIV to be able to instinctively NOT want to stand inside The Thing.

[@54fedase90]

@@Kuripants the only thing about that sword mec that conserns me is "sword is going to move" fraze, even if you possess experience in FF you would expect sword oh the edge of a map to do an aoe. I think you would agree that seeing a sword on the age of a map you wouldn't expect it to "move", swords usually do not move on their own.

[@Kuripants]

@@54fedase90 oh I completely agree - intuiting the sword *will* move is insane. Intuiting that maybe you don't want to be inside the shape it makes means you're wise to XIV's tricks

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

I thought it couldn't get any more damming. But then he predicted a very specific E10S strat, with the shadow cleaves being relative to the players shadow. Considering that is the only fight in the game so far where that occurs, that is just way too damn specific.

[@Fugicara]

Nonono, he was drawing on his knowledge of The Lost City of Amdapor (Hard) where Achamoth uses Neuro Squama to do the same thing. I'm sure that's how he understood it, not from looking up a guide! Sarcasm aside, Guardian also does things relative from the players' positions and facing.

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

@@Fugicara I suppose so, but there's also the one where his Shadow Cleave is first A) Determined by which hand he uses his sword with (left or right) B) Determined by the players shadow, not a clone that has a tether that'll whack em' if they get too close or fire a Vuln Orb.

[@Fugicara]

@@RyoIsamuGaming Oh I must have misunderstood which mechanic you were talking about before. I only loosely paid attention to the video because I was at work, my bad.

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

@@Fugicara Yeah, though to be frank he also was pretty vague about it too. So, either he read 1/3rd of the fight (either with the first occurrence of Shadow Clones or the shadow cleaves) or 2/3rds in (where the clones spawn on you to soak meteors)

[@LazyVideosGAME]

"That is just way too damn specific" x 12. When coincidence becomes the norm, it's no longer a coincidence.

[@mukstar]

I wish I could double like your video, the difference between max’s group and Echo’s is night and day even a blind man can see who is truly blind during these savage encounters

[@blackmage567]

I think Echo was faster except for e8 and e12 (individually those 2 bosses)?

[@holmesholmes.8784]

you can triple like it

[@connorrimo2730]

Real cringe when one of his part members works out a mechanic and says 'oh I get it now' then he has shout over them 'I do too!' so his team all know he 'worked it out' aswell 👏👏😅

[@rksworld4405]

yeah i thought that too. i never played FF but the psycological aspects of a cheater are all there

[@insekki]

Yeah that was so cringeworthy.

[@mugen3603]

I did the 24man raid many times, and didn't realize that clouds could be slowed if you step in front of them. It wasn't until I was researching strats for E9S did I learn this. That mechanic is not obvious at all. For him to figure it out with one glance is so sus.

[@andrewtimothy9792]

During the 24man, Some people figured it quickly some dont. The issue is how he is so on point on what he needs to do to the clouds.

[@qlcrane8019]

@@andrewtimothy9792 @Mugen Both of you missed the obvious part. Before the animation of the cloud even begins to slow down/stop he already is screaming "HOLD UP". He obviously knew beforehand that it was going to happen

[@qlcrane8019]

Max lost the race to Scripe again today and Max seemed very salty about it crying that people stealing their strats when in fact Echo got faster to phase 3 of the last boss of the raid. Also its weird to see Echo have their main channel be the main point of the race meanwhile Max hoards all the subs and viewers to his personal channel where he sits being a glorified DBM (he doesn't even do callouts he is literally a mascot that gets paid the most)

[@TekkzFoB]

stay mad. There is a reason scripe was talking about his spot in the guild being questioned since they just copy all strats.

[@qlcrane8019]

@@TekkzFoB Max does even less than Scripe so this comment doesnt age well

[@cobbiie]

​@@TekkzFoBlets ignore the fact that liquid will also copy echo's strats if they are better. both teams are copying each other if it benefits them lol always nice to see some sore losers after a race

[@TekkzFoB]

haha Scripe gets paid 68% less salary than Max...big shocker

[@LC-sc3en]

@@cobbiie I think it is normal in a blind streamed race to look ahead at the competitions videos and copy strats if you want. The issue is really that it should be limited to copying off your current competition. Since the current competition is also blind and won’t be that many mechanics ahead of you and their strategies will likely be sub optimal. The team still has to decide whether sniping the strategy is a good idea. And the faster they make progress the more likely it is that their strategies will be sniped by the other team. It still falls within the range of adapting quickly on your feet and pushing most of the prog forward on your own. And it evens out. In older content using guides that have been published a long time ago and tuned for max uptime would be more of a race to who can execute a complete plan more quickly than the other. Which is still a race but not a blind race. If viewers were promised a blind race then that is what they should get. Not to mention if your competition is doing the race blind and expects you to be too then that becomes straight up cheating.

[@lunatic447]

Didnt naguura say the group kinda fell apart cause prog wasnt fast enough for max?

[@Ikari-js7lv]

It's as if blind proggers take longer to execute mechanics and understand them from scratch

[@scotaloo77g73]

They had a skill gap in the group.

[@TOjJeto]

Oh is that why they lost some members? I was wondering why they suddenly had a bunch of new people.

[@Jeloren]

@Wet Eyes Ocean Machine Why do you keep repeating the same comment over and over again?

[@BankaiPwn]

If you even watched like 1 max stream a month you'd know why the group 'fell apart' and it was that they went in with a for fun atmosphere with a HUGE disaprity in skill between the bottom and top. And when they got to titan min ilvl no echo they realized that the progression aspect of that was going to take a LOT longer because of it so they reformed after that. The number of people putting things in streamers mouths is hilarious though.

[@4thwall826]

i like how echo come up with strat, look at them lion strat wtf, and they spent like a few days to come up with a good strat and a whole day just to do lion properly safe zone baiters during billi strat is so tricky some of the mechs are similar to normal, and most mechs are very obvious but ehhh, but savage mechs are like, same but different

[@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931]

Brownie lion is cursed i love it.

[@andrewshandle]

The bramble strategy Echo came up with is a great example. It was flawed in the eyes of people who had seen the fight a bunch of times, but for them it made complete sense based on what they'd seen, so they went with it. I remember the first video came out right away people were commenting why it wasn't a great strategy, but for them it worked until, I assume, it didn't and they changed it. The issue with Max is he magically "gets" to Z without going from A through Y first and seems to want credit for it.

[@DantoriusD]

I really hated our Week 1 Progg at e12s. Lions is by Far one of the worst Mechanics in the entire Savage Raids. You need so many tries to even figure out whats happening and this mechanic is so late into the fight. Its like your already exhausted from a Marathon and suddenly someone throws a fucking truck at you right at the Finish Line.

[@andrewshandle]

@@DantoriusD so basically you are saying you weren’t smart enough to figure it out in one pull with no information like Max? L2P! 😉

[@DantoriusD]

@@andrewshandle 😭😭 such harsh Words. Yes even my Grp full of Triple Legends had a Harsh Time on this Mechanic. I'm not worthy to play the same Game like this Gigabrain Max. When i beat Login que the next Time i'm gonna meld my shiny Ultimate Weapons into a Armorer Hammer and become a Armorer Main. So i can at least do 1 good thing for the World 😂😂😂😂

[@raisylvaine8398]

I don’t really do Savage raids blind but I try to do Alliance and Normal raids blind since I’ve done almost all of them like that and it’s fun when the entire party won’t die because you didn’t know

[@mismismism]

It's pathetic tbh, the fact he feels the need to lie to pretend to be better at the game than he is is just pathetic. It's a game, and the whole point of people watching blind prog is that it's fun to see people figure things out. No one is impressed by this, it just makes him look insecure and untrustworthy. If he wants to read a guide first, just say that, no one cares, it's not eSports, no one is competing, so lying so obviously is just sad. The hallowed ground one is beyond damning, there is no reason you should assume using LB would not work, especially since part of the boss actually requires you to use LB, that's not a normal thought process at all, that's the one that very obviously cannot be explained away in any logical way.

[@PazuChill]

The worst part about this is that he ruins it for the other people as well.

[@hedvixWill]

Yeah so not only he lies to his viewer. He robbed the blind out of his own team since he was "figuring" out most of the strat for them.

[@kartoffelbauczh9554]

This has to be the first video since the dislike removal where i would like to see the like/dislike ratio

[@qlcrane8019]

But its there. 722 likes and 140 dislikes right now

[@DarkKerialstraz]

@@qlcrane8019 Only in some countries like f.e. whole Europe.

[@kartoffelbauczh9554]

@@qlcrane8019 As of 3 days ago I cant see dislikes anymore. Apparently it's an incremental process, won't be long for you either. But thanks for the numbers :)

[@brian184998]

It's very obvious, and he gets so defensive about it because it's true.

[@Shinnouryu]

Someone that think they're right will always prove and explain their point. Someone who knows they're lying will always play defensive. "If you think I'm wrong/lying, then you are a hater and your opinion is based" is the easiest victim card to play.

[@Amp5150]

the gymnastics he does to allow himself to lie in the last clips "if WE AS A GROUP COLLECTIVLY watched guides"

[@Staineless84]

Let's all be honest here. This guy who made this amazing video has 212 subs, nobody really knows him, If Limit Max did NOT cheat, he would have debunked it on his own channel and moved on. The silence is deafening, it speaks louder than anything else could have here. There is no shot Max doesn't know about this, he just knows he got caught. Great video.

[@zzxxccvv01]

Or he just doesn't care LMAO

[@CreepyPhantom]

By your logic if the guys has 212 subs and nobody knows him why debunk him??

[@Lancun]

@@CreepyPhantom Because the video has 172k views and has gotten circled around enough times that the guy who it's about (who is clearly insecure in how others see him, which is why he lied in the first place) couldn't help but watch in the vain hopes of setting the record straight. Liars who get caught have zero respect, even less so if they don't own up to it.

[@Noobzlikeu]

@@Lancun You can tell he was lying because of how he spoke in that clip, as well. Dude was stammering over himself and tripping over every word, and couldn't even come up with one statement to support his claims of progging blind.

[@enfo]

Rogerbrown: Actually invents a new lion strat. Limit Max: Steals billibilli and renames it don julio.

[@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931]

Brownie lion is the best and most optimal strat It'll atleast boost your parse from 50 to 99

[@sabaca304]

I like how his explanation is that it doesn't make any sense for the whole group to cheat, and that's true, that's why he's cheating by himself lol

[@legendofcha]

The biggest thing that stood out to me when I was watching their prog was during E5S. Around the 3rd time they saw Fury Fourteen, they were discussing how they were gonna line up. I can't remember who, but someone in their group basically asked if they were doing TN or relative (not in those exact words). Which is fine until I realized that Ramuh had only spawned north on each of the attempts they saw. There'd be no reason to assume he can spawn south and ask if they need to adjust their lineup order unless you knew beforehand he can spawn south.

[@silverancient7840]

Which leads me to believe that other members were in on it as well.

[@magical11]

Why is this so incredible? I always assume that that the boss can spawn from any direction or that mechanics can resolve from any cardinal. Who doesn't? These aren't your average scrubs lmao.

[@GeneralKnightmare]

@@magical11 Yeah when bosses teleport to various locations in a fight I never assume it's the same location every time until I've hit that mechanic many times in a row. Too many times I've done a fight like E9S where the boss jumps to the same wall 3 times in a row and then get surprised when instead of going North she went West instead.

[@Laucher-]

they had been "final fatasyed" many times at that point so i think its fair that they dont assume its always TN

[@VForceWave]

This is a long shot, but does anyone have access to these vods still? I wanted to watch Limit's progression again. I don't know if the uploader or anyone watching would have it, though.

[@aschryu1682]

this video prove it, pandemonium rwf prove it, the newest WOW raid sotfo also prove it, max is con artist plain and simple 0 skill 100 talk

[@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931]

echo ftw baby

[@ericflower6513]

Just came here to talk about Max's current progression in WoW. He again isn't fucking raid leading and he has another person call out stuff like "personals now" What does Max do? Well he repeats the same call "Personals yep" cause he has to get the last word in cause he has a huge ego and is an narcissist. He literally is a mascot watching others play acting like he is important and at one point the actual raid leader told Max to even stfu cause Max was calling the WRONG things lmao. If his team loses that tier even with 16 hour of double legendary advantage I don't know how anyone can take that guy seriously

[@ericflower6513]

Update: Max looked miserable and called quits cause Echo again took world first with ease. No one seems to be enjoying raiding with Mr. Liquid "Mrnig4000" Maximum (mrnig4000 was one of his aliases in mythic gul'dan) and liquid players showed their frustrations on their streams and people seemed unhappy with Max. Feels like it would be best for the MMO scene that Max would just go be a secretary signing contracts behind the scenes cause him funneling all twitch viewership to his own personal streaming channel and baiting with sub mode just plays into his own pockets and not the org that he is supposedly representing. This is such bad rep for the WoW raiding scene and Liquid.

[@Ryorian]

Bruh you sound like an angry angsty 16 year old child. These people are light years ahead of you in both skill and experience. What you're doing is akin to judging Fauci on science when you have no formal education. You're a joke. Stop talking. I don't even like Max. I knew him from his days in Duality when he was a shitlord along with TMSean and all those other edgelord losers. You're worse than him by miles however.

[@Joricky12]

@@ericflower6513 He isn't a bad representative or raid leader at all. I'm sorry but you clearly have never raided in WoW on a high level if that's what you think being a Raid Leader entails. He revolutionized the World First Raid Leader position by being on the sidelines like a football coach, and every other top guild's Raid Leader copied Max. In fact, almost every guild in the world copies the strategies that Max comes up with. The reason Liquid looked so down at the end is because the Race to World First took way longer than expected and Echo just handled it better, but even they were on the brink of a burnout as their Raid Leader Scripe said. Also keep in mind that the 16 hour head start means jack shit. They are pretty much bug testers with their head start and most of the bosses they kill get nerfed after, so guilds from Europe and Asia/Oceania do have it a bit easier. Sure he may have pretended to do blind raids, I wouldn't know because I don't really play FFXIV, but everything for the views amirite? You may not like Max, and that's fine, but your headcanon about him doesn't really check out with reality.

[@nationalSoup29]

I want to preface this comment by saying that I 100% believe Max researched these fights prior to prog. However, your comments made on his input during Shiva are shaky at best, here's why. Using Immunities on Knockback Mirrors was absolutely discussed by week 1 groups, and any good group figured out they worked on the mechanic in one of the first couple of pulls. The difference being that Limit had 10's of thousands of people constantly telling them how tight the DPS check for the fight was gonna be, so them opting in to the riskier uptime strat was influenced by these comments. The other comment on him guessing Wyrm's Lament 2 also doesn't really hold water, because in a fight as long as Shiva is, it is reasonable if not expected that you would expect the dragon heads and debuffs to come back, because they were only used once during the entire fight so far. He didn't bring up the idea of there being 2 dragon heads until someone else brought up the possibility of mirrors being involved. As for it being a heal check, it is potentially more telling, because he only has experience with 1 final floor savage as precedent. That being said that 1 final floor had a famously wild heal check for its last phase, so it's fair for him to expect another one. This all being said, every other clip and comment completely supports the argument, and while I 100% believe he had knowledge of the fights, my comments are being made as a devil's advocate pointing out the only real counter-arguments I can think of for this entire video

[@Opharg]

I am basically just a wow raider, but iirc one of my guesses of what could happen was the double dragon. The amount of times it has been repeated, that FF fights first show you each mechanic and then combine it, makes you start to think about it, especially as both mechanics were just shown once. Otherwise, yeah, there is no way he has not seen at least WoL before

[@amonkeigh4970]

agreed and ive tried to give him the benefit of the doubt on stuff like that, the issue and counter for you here is, when he first got past slidey mirrors "blind" he was already calling out the stacks for ahk morn and dragon heads before the cast bar went off or the dragon spawned. Predicting based on past experience is fine, the other is just like "cmon bruh"

[@wsrtwetr]

Yeah the problem is 'any good group' max took 2 days to clear e1s. He is far from good. Man child yes. Good... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah...

[@pm_me_ur_gluons]

Imagine being insecure enough to lie about how you play videogames. I don't care if it's blind or not, but lying about it makes it pathetic.

[@skitatic]

Cheating to impress people on the internet that have already done the thing you are doing. An all new low.

[@XMegaJuni]

Just goes to show how FAKE people can be to get views and clout. I don't even watch the dude but i saw him in a podcast with xeno. He talked such a big game about how he loves that feeling of being blind and blah blah blah. This is why most influencers, streamers, etc just fucking get too greedy and their false personality starts showing over time because who can keep being a fake for so long.

[@xehant7319]

Something that I've realized right after reaching P2 of E12S he said basic relativity will doing a lot of damage and to hard mitigating when it's litteraly the first time they see it

[@Freddy96LP]

Eh that's less egregious than anything else in this video, it's 10s cast with a huge animation and a cool name.

[@uttrik]

If your raiding blind and see a long cast bar, chances are you want to throw every mitigation at it to see further. It makes MORE sense he would say that the first time they get to a big mechanic on a new boss, when you have no idea what it will do.

[@VForceWave]

Long castbars typically mean big damage, I hard disagree with you

[@KohenChia]

How hollow do you have to be to manufacture your own self-image and self-worth by cheating at a video game? I almost feel sorry for him.

[@BloodDragoon]

it pissed me off when he got mad at his friend, totally a beta mindset.

[@unsafestimboard]

ngl I was oblivious to even suspecting something was sus until I watched echo prog :/ the amount of vod reviewing they did to find strats that worked as opposed to Max’s gigabrain “”predictions”” was insane

[@blackmage567]

tbh thats common in wow progress. Wow progress is not blind, but Echo (scripe and roger mostly) is known to do less pulls when mechanics/strategy is not clear. THey spend A TON of time discussing and reviewing vods, and then try something else. Limit usually throws ideas on the table and keeps pulling fast. It evens out at the end cause if a group is far ahead you can just copy, plus Echo usually has to spend more pulls for the muscle memory of not dying or doing the required damage.

[@icecatti]

lol This is some deeply cringe shit. Seeing these transparent lies to preserve gamer cred and thin ego really takes me back to elementary school. It's pitiful on one hand, but you also gotta imagine that it wouldn't be the end of the world if he said something like "Yeah I saw this mechanic in a clip, what can you do?" It's just that the performance is so bad on top of everything else. Thanks for this based vid.

[@nuzabe9054]

Nah it’s just standard streamer grifting. It’s no different than fake reaction videos. I’m more surprised that people are surprised.

[@faliandra7659]

one can only hope that this video spreads enough to the point where people will stop putting him on a pedestal in all these ffxiv-related talk shows on streams like he's the new voice of all raiders. But seeing how he's quite a big name out there due to WoW, it obviously creates an opportunity for smaller, original ffxiv content creators to get their name out there by collaborating with him. And sadly, clout > integrity. GCBTW ...wait no, it's BCBTW now! :^)

[@JussiMustola90]

Well, he's proven himself many many times in situations where you absolutely cannot cheat. Multiple WF records etc. but i agree with you that they took way less time than Echo has taken and it's bit suspicious as they're pretty much equally good guild :D